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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on November 13, 2015, 10:05:25 AM
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I think we talked in the recent past about the CMP potentially getting 1911s. In a CMP email today, there was this:
An update on the 1911 pistols. The revised NDAA has passed the House and Senate. It is on its way to the President's desk for signature. We have no further information at this time.
I was actually shocked that it made it through both House and Senate. Almost there, but given the President's current ramped up anti-gun rhetoric, I'm guessing he'll not sign it. :'(
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I'm pretty sure they are ultimately going to the same fate as the m14s-ted kennedy's chop saw.
Maybe our masters in mordor will allow us to purchase colt or singer stamped paperweights in the future....
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I think it's possible, and I'm hopeful, that the CinC has bigger fish to fry at this moment than one line in the annual DOD budget.
If some 1911's are the most controversial things in the NDAA, I don't think he'll waste the political capital on them.
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I was wondering how many grease guns, BAR's, and Thompson's they still have.
I missed that note in the email. I am still not sure I want to spend much money on an old Colt 1911. We'll see.
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I was wondering how many grease guns, BAR's, and Thompson's they still have.
I missed that note in the email. I am still not sure I want to spend much money on an old Colt 1911. We'll see.
I'd lurvs me some BARs.
The even notion of door to door confiscations would become laughable with the threat of hot M2 AP raining down on anyone stupid enough to try it.
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I'll leave this here.
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I think we talked in the recent past about the CMP potentially getting 1911s. In a CMP email today, there was this:
I was actually shocked that it made it through both House and Senate. Almost there, but given the President's current ramped up anti-gun rhetoric, I'm guessing he'll not sign it. :'(
It;s one insignificant line in a huge bill. If Obama vetoes it, it'll be because he hates the military, not this....
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Did anyone say what they would be expected to go for?
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Not yet, but prevailing guess on cmp forums is low 4 figures
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Not yet, but prevailing guess on cmp forums is low 4 figures
Holy crap. That's a lot higher than I would have guessed, which was mid hundreds somewhere.
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For a gov issue colt?
Maybe in the 80's.
I'm in if they are under $1500
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We were still issuing 1911A1s for armed watches in the early '90s. My guess is that the majority of the stuff the CMP will have will be of similar quality. Pretty much mix-masters of slides and frames and veterans of many, many armory rebuilds. I do not even imagine there will be boxes and boxes of "new" pristine unissued pistols left over from WWII.
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I think you are correct. They will be rode hard, rebuilt many times, and mixed vintage.
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We were still issuing 1911A1s for armed watches in the early '90s. My guess is that the majority of the stuff the CMP will have will be of similar quality. Pretty much mix-masters of slides and frames and veterans of many, many armory rebuilds. I do not even imagine there will be boxes and boxes of "new" pristine unissued pistols left over from WWII.
That's why I was guessing mid hundreds. Sorta like the rack grade Garands, with some service grade and CMP full rebuild pistols available at higher prices.
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Not yet, but prevailing guess on cmp forums is low 4 figures
So, if all you want is a 1911, there are better options.
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We were still issuing 1911A1s for armed watches in the early '90s. My guess is that the majority of the stuff the CMP will have will be of similar quality. Pretty much mix-masters of slides and frames and veterans of many, many armory rebuilds. I do not even imagine there will be boxes and boxes of "new" pristine unissued pistols left over from WWII.
If they actually get unissued quality pistols, they will not be thrown in with everything else. Those would likely go up for auction. If it was mid-hundreds, that would be interesting especially if they were shooters.
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Well Ben, you're right on the probably Rack grade part.
Go cruise the auction sites. A USGI 1911 in any kind of decent shape goes for $1900-$2000 easy. Nice ones for $3000-$3500. I saw a Remington Rand FRAME the other day for about $800, and the reserve hadn't even been met.
Gun Show mixmaster US Gov marked 1911's? I see them for $1500-$2000 all the time.
So if CMP offers them for ~$1000, and they have all the parts, that's a pretty good deal.
So, if all you want is a 1911, there are better options.
Oh Yeah. Whoever buys these will probably be paying on the order of ~$700 for that "US Government Property" roll mark. It'll come with a $300 parts gun. I would say this is for the person who probably already has a couple 1911's, and wants to collect a genuine Army M1911A1, but doesn't want it enough to pay the $3000 a nice one costs.
So......Me.
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Well Ben, you're right on the probably Rack grade part.
Go cruise the auction sites. A USGI 1911 in any kind of decent shape goes for $1900-$2000 easy. Nice ones for $3000-$3500. I saw a Remington Rand FRAME the other day for about $800, and the reserve hadn't even been met.
Gun Show mixmaster US Gov marked 1911's? I see them for $1500-$2000 all the time.
So if CMP offers them for ~$1000, and they have all the parts, that's a pretty good deal.
Huh. No idea they were going for that much. I would have figured they'd be closer to the C&R Sistemas. Though maybe they're going for more now as well.
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I guess I need to let my Dad know to keep his Remington Rand in good shape. He said he traded a P38 for it years ago from a guy who didn't like the recoil.
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Huh. No idea they were going for that much. I would have figured they'd be closer to the C&R Sistemas. Though maybe they're going for more now as well.
Noooo. Every once in awhile the local Gun Library gets a bunch of them in- probably when some old timer with a collection dies- the prices are typically $2500+ and they don't stay on the shelves long at those prices. As Dogmush stated that 'US property' rollmark commands a serious premium on just about any firearm- the only recent example where this wasn't necessarily true were the last US Property marked Savage enfields that came through about 10 years ago- I'm not sure of their value now though.
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Noooo. Every once in awhile the local Gun Library gets a bunch of them in- probably when some old timer with a collection dies- the prices are typically $2500+ and they don't stay on the shelves long at those prices. As Dogmush stated that 'US property' rollmark commands a serious premium on just about any firearm- the only recent example where this wasn't necessarily true were the last US Property marked Savage enfields that came through about 10 years ago- I'm not sure of their value now though.
I guess I also figured CMP, given their mission, would not be selling at prevailing prices. Which they may not do with these and I reckon from what you guys say it will still put them at four figures.
I could have sold my service grade Garand for $300 more than I paid for it the day after it was delivered. At the market prices these 1911s are going for, I wonder how many people will be flipping them if CMP gets a batch?
I totally get buying one of these just for the collector value (I guess I have a safe full of C&R rifles I never shoot to back me up). I think though, if I was gonna spend $1500 on a 1911, I'd probably rather get another TRP or a Wilson or something.
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I guess I also figured CMP, given their mission, would not be selling at prevailing prices. Which they may not do with these and I reckon from what you guys say it will still put them at four figures.
I could have sold my service grade Garand for $300 more than I paid for it the day after it was delivered. At the market prices these 1911s are going for, I wonder how many people will be flipping them if CMP gets a batch?
I totally get buying one of these just for the collector value (I guess I have a safe full of C&R rifles I never shoot to back me up). I think though, if I was gonna spend $1500 on a 1911, I'd probably rather get another TRP or a Wilson or something.
Yeah, I remember seeing a guy with a dozen or so Danish 'VAR' barreled M1s priced at a premium price (about double CMP price) at a gun show shortly after CMP starting selling them.
I'll still pass on the 4 figures CMP pistols as well. At this point I'd rather buy a Glock/M&P, a good holster, half dozen mags and some ammo with that money, I (blasphemey Alert!) have enough 1911s already.
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From what I have seen on another web site or two the bill has been signed allowing CMP to sell the 1911s. Now to see how it is done and the rules attached. Oh, and the price. :)
bob
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From what I have seen on another web site or two the bill has been signed allowing CMP to sell the 1911s. Now to see how it is done and the rules attached. Oh, and the price. :)
bob
Apparently, the Army has yet to decide whether they'll give them to CMP. Does anyone know how that's likely to go?
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Apparently, the Army has yet to decide whether they'll give them to CMP. Does anyone know how that's likely to go?
According to a guy who posts on The Firing Line and who has been at CMP for an armorer's course, CMP already has the pistols.
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Mixed feelings about paying (possibly) north of $1000 for a USGI beater . . .
On the other hand, I remember my Dad told me he was issued and carried an Ithaca-built 1911 during WWII . . . I wish there was some way to identify it as I'd love to own if it ever turned up at the CMP or elsewhere, but the serial number of the one he carried is lost to history . . . =(
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Mixed feelings about paying (possibly) north of $1000 for a USGI beater . . .
On the other hand, I remember my Dad told me he was issued and carried an Ithaca-built 1911 during WWII . . . I wish there was some way to identify it as I'd love to own if it ever turned up at the CMP or elsewhere, but the serial number of the one he carried is lost to history . . . =(
More USGI 1911s on the market can't be a bad thing. Unless you bought some as an investment.
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I really doubt this will be enough to distort the market for long.
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I wonder what the condition of them will be? Rattle slides and worn out barrels? Banged up sights, bluing worn off, etc.
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I really doubt this will be enough to distort the market for long.
The CMP sale of M1 Carbines a few years back doesn't seem to have distorted THAT market very much, either.
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Some details on the bill:
SEC. 1087. TRANSFER OF SURPLUS FIREARMS TO CORPORATION FOR
(a) AUTHORIZATION OF TRANSFER OF SURPLUS FIREARMS TO CORPORATION FOR THE PROMOTION OF RIFLE PRACTICE AND FIRE- ARMS SAFETY.— (1) IN GENERAL.—Section 40728 of title 36, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:
THE PROMOTION OF RIFLE PRACTICE AND FIREARMS SAFETY.
S. 1356—288
‘‘(h) AUTHORIZED TRANSFERS.—(1) Subject to paragraph (2), the Secretary may transfer to the corporation, in accordance with the procedure prescribed in this subchapter, surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols and spare parts and related accessories for those pistols that, on the date of the enactment of this subsection, are under the control of the Secretary and are surplus to the require-
ments of the Department of the Army, and such material as may be recovered by the Secretary pursuant to section 40728A(a) of this title. The Secretary shall determine a reasonable schedule for the transfer of such surplus pistols.
‘‘(2) The Secretary may not transfer more than 10,000 surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols to the corporation during any year and may only transfer such pistols as long as pistols described in paragraph (1) remain available for transfer.’’.
(2) TECHNICAL AND CONFORMING AMENDMENTS.—Such title is further amended—
(A) in section 40728A—
(i) by striking ‘‘rifles’’ each place it appears and inserting ‘‘surplus firearms’’; and
(ii) in subsection (a), by striking ‘‘section 40731(a)’’ and inserting ‘‘section 40732(a)’’; (B) in section 40729(a)—
(i) in paragraph (1), by striking ‘‘section 40728(a)’’ and inserting ‘‘subsections (a) and (h) of section 40728’’; (ii) in paragraph (2), by striking ‘‘40728(a)’’ and inserting ‘‘subsections (a) and (h) of section 40728’’; and
(iii) in paragraph (4), by inserting ‘‘and caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 surplus pistols’’ after ‘‘caliber .30 and caliber .22 rimfire rifles’’;
(C) in section 40732—
(i) by striking ‘‘caliber .22 rimfire and caliber .30 surplus rifles’’ both places it appears and inserting ‘‘surplus caliber .22 rimfire rifles, caliber .30 surplus rifles, and caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 surplus pistols’’; and
(ii) in subsection (b), by striking ‘‘is over 18 years of age’’ and inserting ‘‘is legally of age’’; and (D) in section 40733—
(i) by striking ‘‘Section 922(a)(1)-(3) and (5)’’ and inserting ‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in sub-section (b), section 922(a)(1)-(3) and (5)’’; and
(ii) by adding at the end the following new sub-
section: ‘‘(b) EXCEPTION.—With respect to firearms other than caliber .22 rimfire and caliber .30 rifles, the corporation shall obtain a license as a dealer in firearms and abide by all requirements imposed on persons licensed under chapter 44 of title 18, including maintaining acquisition and disposition records, and conducting background checks.’’.
(b) PILOT PROGRAM.—
(1) ONE-YEAR AUTHORITY.—The Secretary of the Army may carry out a one-year pilot program under which the Secretary may transfer to the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and Firearms Safety not more than 10,000 firearms described in paragraph (2).
S. 1356—289
(2) FIREARMS DESCRIBED.—The firearms described in this paragraph are surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols and spare parts and related accessories for those pistols that, on the date of the enactment of this section, are under the control of the Secretary and are surplus to the requirements of the Department of the Army.
(3) TRANSFER REQUIREMENTS.—Transfers of surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols from the Army to the Corporation under the pilot program shall be made in accordance with subchapter II of chapter 407 of title 36, United States Code.
(4) REPORTS TO CONGRESS.—
the Secretary initiates the pilot program under this sub-
section, the Secretary shall submit to Congress an interim report on the pilot program. Secretary completes the pilot program under this sub-
section, the Secretary shall submit to Congress a final report on the pilot program. this subsection shall include, for the period covered by the report—
(A) INTERIM REPORT.—Not later than 90 days after
(B) FINAL REPORT.—Not later than 15 days after the
(C) CONTENTS OF REPORT.—Each report required by
(i) the number of firearms described in subsection
(a)(2) transferred under the pilot program; and
(ii) information on any crimes committed using firearms transferred under the pilot program.
(c) LIMITATION ON TRANSFER OF SURPLUS CALIBER .45 M1911/M1911A1 PISTOLS.—The Secretary may not transfer firearms described in subsection (b)(2) under subchapter II of chapter 407 of title 36, United States Code, until the date that is 60 days after the date of the submittal of the final report required under subsection (b)(4)(B).
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The CMP sale of M1 Carbines a few years back doesn't seem to have distorted THAT market very much, either.
Yeah, if anything the price went up further once the CMP ran out.
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This will be a good year to get my son to a few CMP matches regardless of the 1911 availability...
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Just got the CMP sales e-mail today:
An update on the 1911's
The NDAA 2016 has passed. We have no further information concerning the status of the 1911s. We will update our customers as we know more. Please do not email or call with questions regarding the 1911s. Our systems are overloaded.
If you would like to sign up for our Sales Email Updates, please visit our website and SIGN UP!
For eligibility requirements for ordering through the CMP, please visit our website.
Thank you, Mark Johnson, Chief Operating Officer
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Yes, I laugh now, but that just means the prices will probably astronomical...
:mad: :mad: :mad:
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http://www.alloutdoor.com/2016/01/19/a-cmp-1911-update-from-cmp-chief-operating-officer-mark-johnson/ (http://www.alloutdoor.com/2016/01/19/a-cmp-1911-update-from-cmp-chief-operating-officer-mark-johnson/)
$1000 for a rack grade
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http://www.alloutdoor.com/2016/01/19/a-cmp-1911-update-from-cmp-chief-operating-officer-mark-johnson/ (http://www.alloutdoor.com/2016/01/19/a-cmp-1911-update-from-cmp-chief-operating-officer-mark-johnson/)
$1000 for a rack grade
A grand for rack grade?! Nope. :facepalm:
Brad
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That probably takes me out of the running. I would rather spend that sort of money on a Coonan 1911.
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A grand for rack grade?! Nope. :facepalm:
Brad
I predict huge, iPhone-sized lines at those prices.
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Yeah, too rich for my blood for that grade. Totally get why someone would want one for the history and potentially investment. But I think if I were to buy one for the investment, I would look at spending more money on a service or better grade. I would guess those will increase in value over ten or so years at a higher percentage than rack grades will.
Otherwise, $1000 puts you nearly into TRP and similar grade combat 1911s. For a shooter, I'd rather go that route.
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I want the one I carried in Germany. I'll have to go dig out my weapons card to get the serial#.
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I predict huge, iPhone-sized lines at those prices.
Which is one of the many reasons I don't worship at the Alter Of Apple, either.
Brad
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Altar, actually. :P
But JMB is not amused, Bradley.
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I want the one I carried in Germany. I'll have to go dig out my weapons card to get the serial#.
I stand a better change of having a wild naked weekend with Olivia Wilde.
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I stand a better change of having a wild naked weekend with Olivia Wilde.
If that ever happens, i'll pay for pics and video. Just sayin.
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If that ever happens, i'll pay for pics and video. Just sayin.
No matter how talented a photographer she may be, they are still going to be pictures of a naked charby.
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No matter how talented a photographer she may be, they are still going to be pictures of a naked charby.
Noooooooooo...
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Yeah, not going to get one, not for $1000. No family history with them, to quote my Marine WWII and Korean war vet Grandfather "couldn't hit *expletive deleted*it with one in training, never bothered to try to pick one up in the field". He had an M1917 in training, then a 1903 initially, then carried a M1 carbine the rest of WWII. In Korea he had an M2 Carbine. The 1911 was out of service before I went in the Army.
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Yeah, not going to get one, not for $1000. No family history with them, to quote my Marine WWII and Korean war vet Grandfather "couldn't hit *expletive deleted*it with one in training, never bothered to try to pick one up in the field". He had an M1917 in training, then a 1903 initially, then carried a M1 carbine the rest of WWII. In Korea he had an M2 Carbine. The 1911 was out of service before I went in the Army.
The first time I fired a 1911, I couldn't hit anything with it either. Same with most pistols. I got better.
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The first time I fired a 1911, I couldn't hit anything with it either. Same with most pistols. I got better.
Well, yeah. Same here. My point was there is no nostalgia factor for me.
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Rather have the Garand
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Rather have the aGrand
Easy, just don't buy one =D
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Not yet, but prevailing guess on cmp forums is low 4 figures
Called it.
Depending on where my toy budget is when they hit I'm probably still in.
Going by the % increases on the Garands, I'd guess the service grade will be about $1200-$1300. That's an expensive roll mark, but they aren't getting any cheaper, and it will look sweet next to my SA Garand.
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That would be the reason I would buy is if the resale was potentially lucrative. The idea is appealing though.
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Curious if those who bought oodles of Garands from the CMP solely to resell will do the same with these 1911s, and if they get fingered for "Being in the Business"...
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I was considering buy a couple merely to hold on to as "investements", if the same thing happens to them as what has happened with Garands.
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Curious if those who bought oodles of Garands from the CMP solely to resell will do the same with these 1911s, and if they get fingered for "Being in the Business"...
Oh, that's a really good question. I've been worried about how the EO affects CMP.
I've only ever bought one Garand and a bunch of ammo from them, but something like that could be trouble depending on who's after you and if you're part of an unpopular segment of society.
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I have 4 Garands. I could see selling two if prices have changed enough. I toyed with it a few years ago, but most people are not willing to part with enough money to make it worthwhile.
I haven't been keeping up with prices lately. The Houston Gun Collector's Association Gun Show is this weekend so I will have to make sure I look.
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Garands at gunshows around here are priced at $1200-$1600 for what would have gone for $400 a few years back form CMP.
I don't know if they are selling them at that price, but it's what they are asking...
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http://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2016/06/16/senator-john-mccain-wants-destroy-govt-surplus-1911-pistols/
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/06/josh-wayner/is-uncle-sam-set-to-melt-civilian-marksmanship-program-1911-pistols/
I hadn't heard this about John McCain. I thought I would pass it on. Another reason I don't like that guy.
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Thread Necro:
Pricing came out on these a couple days ago:
CMP 1911 pricing:
CMP has priced the 1911 type pistols at fair market value in accordance with CMP's enabling legislation.
Service Grade $1050.
Pistol may exhibit minor pitting and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips are complete with no cracks. Pistol is in issuable condition.
Field Grade $950.
Pistol may exhibit minor rust, pitting, and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips are complete with no cracks. Pistol is in issuable condition.
Rack Grade $850.
Pistol will exhibit rust, pitting, and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips may be incomplete and exhibit cracks. Pistol requires minor work to return to issuable condition.
Auction Grade (Sales will to be determined by auctioning the pistol).
The condition of the auction pistol will be described when posted for auction. Note: If you have already purchased a 1911 from CMP you will not be allowed to purchase an auction 1911. If you purchase an auction 1911, your name will be pulled from the sequenced list. No repeat purchasers are allowed until all orders received have been filled.
The shipping cost is included in the price.
And there's a lottery to see if you get one of the 8000.
As I said earlier in this thread, I'm in. I'll be sending the paperwork in as soon as it they open it, and going for a Service Grade if I get the call. Those are as cheap as you will get a US Property marked 1911 these days, and as the saying goes, "they aren't making any more".
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Given the pricing, I think service grade is the best call for an investment piece. I'll be very curious to see what some of the auction prices end up being.
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Given the pricing, I think service grade is the best call for an investment piece. I'll be very curious to see what some of the auction prices end up being.
I suspect the auction prices will be pretty similar to Rock Island or Gunbroker prices. The folks on CMP auctions are, for the most part, the same folks on auctions elsewhere. Or rather, serious collectors (that drive auction prices) are CMP eligible.
https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Keywords=US%20Property%201911
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As I said earlier in this thread, I'm in. I'll be sending the paperwork in as soon as it they open it, and going for a Service Grade if I get the call. Those are as cheap as you will get a US Property marked 1911 these days, and as the saying goes, "they aren't making any more".
Same here. I can't believe how many people I've seen whining about the price - comparing them to the $400 Tisas and RIA. :facepalm:
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Same here. I can't believe how many people I've seen whining about the price - comparing them to the $400 Tisas and RIA. :facepalm:
:laugh: I love my RIA, but come on, people.
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Same here. I can't believe how many people I've seen whining about the price - comparing them to the $400 Tisas and RIA. :facepalm:
Well, not long ago I bought a new E-series S&W 1911Sc (round butt, scandium frame, night sights) for $20 more than a CMP Service Grade. And bought a barely used Les Baer for even less. Deals like that don't come around every day, but then again, neither do CMP 1911s. But I have a real good idea which gun would be at the bottom of the heap if you actually wanted to shoot it. ;)
Since I'm not into buying CMP firearms to potentially resell them at a profit, I'll pass on a pitted service grade, or the pitted and rusty lower grades. ESPECIALLY with all the hoops they want you to jump through.
But for those who do want one, I certainly wouldn't stand in their way - I hope they enjoy their piece of history and that whatever they get is better than the grade description suggests.
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I can appreciate the desire to own a gen-yoo-wine Government "U.S. PROPERTY" 1911A1, a piece of history. I've handle and shot more than a few of them when I was in the Navy. Knowing the age and wondering "If this thing could talk what stories could it tell?" is kind of cool.
I don't collect firearms for the sake of possessing them, I acquire to use, if for nothing else than target practice.
I hope all of you that want a CMP 1911 get good ones and share lots of pictures here when you do.
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I can appreciate the desire to own a gen-yoo-wine Government "U.S. PROPERTY" 1911A1, a piece of history. I've handle and shot more than a few of them when I was in the Navy. Knowing the age and wondering "If this thing could talk what stories could it tell?" is kind of cool.
I don't collect firearms for the sake of possessing them, I acquire to use, if for nothing else than target practice.
I hope all of you that want a CMP 1911 get good ones and share lots of pictures here when you do.
I thnk the same way. I hope to get to handle and shoot one some day, but I have no desire to buy one. I will happily ooh and ahh over your photos, though.
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That is a dilemma. I was toying with getting a Dan Wesson 1911 (or other). The CMP guns are approaching that. A CMMG Banshee would be awesome also.
The collector in me still wants one, but I worry I would end up with a 1950's or 1960's odd ball manufacturer.
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The collector in me still wants one, but I worry I would end up with a 1950's or 1960's odd ball manufacturer.
You don't have to worry about that. 1911A1's haven't been manufactured for the .gov since 1945. Slide, barrel and small parts probably will be weird, but the frame will be at least that old.
I have a Dan Wesson Guardian, and it's a fine pistol. I carry it most of the time. If you want a 1911 to carry, shoot, and trust your life to that's a great choice.
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Up from the dead, arise you thread!!!
Here is a post from a local gun board, makes me even happier I didn't opt to buy one of these.
I was selected for one of the Civilian Marksmanship Program Government issue .45's, and just received it. I thought I'd give a little feedback on the pistol. I am a collector and shooter, and my purpose for buying this one was more collectible than something to shoot. They are WW2 .45's after all. I opted for the Service grade ($1050.00), which is the best condition available. All of the pistols have been through an arsenal rebuilding and the CMP website says it may contain some commercial parts. I thought that would be along the line of springs, or other small parts. When I got the pistol, I saw that it was an Ithaca frame with a commercial slide (DSE) from about 1984. The only marks on the slide are an NSN number and Cage (manufacturer) number. As a shooter, it's probably a good gun, if a little overpriced. As a collector, I'm a little disappointed. Since the program will probably be reauthorized for the next couple of years anyway, I thought I'd let people know what you might receive, if you participate. I am a supporter of the CMP mission, but thought they should have been a little more forthcoming in describing the pistols.
Guess I'll go buy another RIA. :)
bob
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Sounds like he expected to get a NIB 1911 that had been gathering dust in a forgotten arms rooms on a forgotten base since 1942. These are guns that had a ~50 year service life to include 3 major wars and at least 2 minor ones. They have been well used and abused. Slides wear and crack, parts wear-out (barrels especially). You are going to get mix-masters no matter what grade you buy. Like the M1's you are going get anything from wall hangers to really good shooters.
You are buying the history.
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Sounds like he expected to get a NIB 1911 that had been gathering dust in a forgotten arms rooms on a forgotten base since 1942. These are that had a ~50 year service life to include 3 major wars and at least 2 minor ones. They have been well used and aused. Slides wear and crack, parts wearout (barrels especially). You are going to get mix-masters no matter what grade you buy. Like the M1's you are going get anything from wall hangers to really good shooters.
You are buying the history.
Sour grapes. If he wanted an all-original collector's pistol he should have gone for one of the auction-grade pistols.
Over on the M1911.org forum we've had a few people (one, in particular, who I think got himself banned for being such a monumental troll) who predicted that the CMP guns were all going to be blobs of rust -- or worse. Now that some people have gotten their pistols and posted photos, in my estimation they look much better than I anticipated. Yes, most that I've seen have been arsenal rebuilds, and there was one with a replacement slide such as mentioned above, but it matched the gun and it looked good.
And it isn't exactly a "commercial" slide. Not like if you bought a junk frame and slapped on a slide you bought on the Internet. The replacement slides -- as described above -- are from the USGI replacement parts program and were installed at a U.S. Government arsenal.
https://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?110564-Documenting-a-CPM-1911A1-and-appreciate-anything-I-can-learn
https://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?110526-CMP-Colt-Markings
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Sounds like he expected to get a NIB 1911 that had been gathering dust in a forgotten arms rooms on a forgotten base since 1942. These are guns that had a ~50 year service life to include 3 major wars and at least 2 minor ones. They have been well used and abused. Slides wear and crack, parts wear-out (barrels especially). You are going to get mix-masters no matter what grade you buy. Like the M1's you are going get anything from wall hangers to really good shooters.
You are buying the history.
So instead of getting a collectors' item, he gets a bit of history that he can have fun shooting. He could even swap the stocks or MSH, etc. I wouldn't have complained.
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I want the one I carried in Germany. I'll have to go dig out my weapons card to get the serial#.
I'd pay a premium for the Ithaca my father carried in WW II, but that S/N is lost to history. =(
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Garands at gunshows around here are priced at $1200-$1600 for what would have gone for $400 a few years back form CMP.
I don't know if they are selling them at that price, but it's what they are asking...
If people are getting those kind of prices, I need to start going to gunshows. I'd gladly take $1500 for mine, which I rarely ever shoot.
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If people are getting those kind of prices, I need to start going to gunshows. I'd gladly take $1500 for mine, which I rarely ever shoot.
I always saw high prices at gun shows on the tables. I never saw anyone buy one at those prices. One time I carried one of mine around. I think I was asking $700. A bunch of people stopped me to look at it and told me it was a fair price, but no one wanted to actually buy it.
I went ahead and ordered a CMP 1911. I guess it will be luck of the draw. No one has called me yet. I just figured it was an opportunity I couldn't pass up.
I know someone with a Remington-Rand WWII 1911 that I would love to have so I guess it doesn't have to be a Colt.
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I remember seeing Danish M1s priced higher than (700) at gunshows when they were still available from cmp for around $400.
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I just got my random number from the CMP!
2909 =D
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A few folks on the M1911.org forum have received their CMP pistols and posted photos. The ones I have seen so far have all been arsenal rebuilds with slide and frame mismatched for maker, but they are in much better condition than what some of the doomsayers were predicting few months ago.
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I just got my random number from the CMP!
2909 =D
I'm jealous. I haven't gotten anything.
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I'm jealous. I haven't gotten anything.
Me neither.
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Thread Necro:
CMP called me today. I get a service grade 1911 for $1050. Should ship out in the next couple days. Happy post deployment to me. =D =D
My number was 13,340
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Thread Necro:
CMP called me today. I get a service grade 1911 for $1050. Should ship out in the next couple days. Happy post deployment to me. =D =D
My number was 13,340
Awesome. Good to hear that. [ar15]
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I got mine last Fall. I think my number was in the 11,000 range. I am curious to see what you get as far as frame and slide manufacturer.
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I'll report back with pics when I pick it up.
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Nice!
Brad
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Well I am just as happy as can be. 1945 Colt frame with a Colt slide.
The 1911 has clearly been refinished, and when I got it it was dry as a bone. I rubbed some CLP into it and am letting the parkerizing soak up some oil. But the finish is in great shape. It looked like it was rebuilt, then just dumped into storage. There are some nicks on the frame and slide, and the left hand portion of the rear sight was hit with something (before the refinish). Plastic grips have a couple nicks, but it's not beat to hell at all. Rifling is good and sharp, and while it shakes a little, it's definitely no rattletrap. It feels a lot like a new Rock Island in terms of slide to frame fit. Trigger seems nice enough as well. Not Dan Wesson or Fancy custom house, but as nice as the colt I dry fired waiting for my Background to go through. It also came in a really nice pelican case with a reproduction TM. Is it 100% correct as manufactured? No, but it's a great collectible US Army marked 1911 that I'm not going to be scared to shoot occasionally. I think the naysayers really missed the boat on these.
(https://i.imgur.com/QGvEOZFh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ryvuPvih.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ik1TBCHh.jpg)
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Holy crap - that's REALLY nice looking for surplus! Congrats!
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One more pic, just because CMP has been so good to me:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FKIV945Eh.jpg&hash=08084a3b9bb219bbc9c4c23aa9c1604b67d96226) (https://imgur.com/KIV945E)
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That is really cool.
Congratulations.
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That is a fine looking 1911.
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Looks like they are opening up for a second round of sales.
https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/1911-information/
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If you think you will ever want a real M1911, this is a great deal.
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Bumping this up for those that might be considering it.
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I got the email today from CMP that 1911 sales round 3 is open.
https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/1911-information/
This is still one of my favorites of the "old" guns in my collection. If you want a real deal M1911 this is the way to get one.