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Title: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: vaskidmark on January 29, 2016, 06:36:24 AM
http://twitchy.com/2016/01/27/watch-this-fast-food-worker-explain-why-she-deserves-to-be-paid-more-than-paramedics/

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One profession saves lives, the other serves food.

Not to bash those that work in the fast food industry, but if anyone deserves a pay increase – it’s the person who is trying to save your life.

But try telling that to Lakecha Jackson, a Detroit fast food worker who believes fast food workers are more important than paramedics.

Check out her response 2:42 minutes into the clip:

If this were a fair and just world Home Depot and Lowes would be experiencing a massive rush on 2x4s.

stay safe.
Title: Re: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 29, 2016, 06:41:58 AM
Oh ... my ... goodness.
Title: Re: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: wmenorr67 on January 29, 2016, 07:49:28 AM
Guess we should start seeing more kiosks in fast food restaurant lobbies.
Title: Re: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: MechAg94 on January 29, 2016, 09:34:17 AM
Okay, you are a fast food worker and you now make $15 per hour.  How much would you bet that the owner can now replace you with a better employee who wouldn't have applied at min wage.  

Fast food workers can generally be replaced by anyone who will show up reliably and be trained in a day or less.  I really don't think that is the case for paramedics.
Title: Re: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: wmenorr67 on January 29, 2016, 09:50:49 AM
Paramedics are licensed at the national level and most if not all will have at least an associates degree. 
Title: Re: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: KD5NRH on January 29, 2016, 10:04:50 AM
Okay, you are a fast food worker and you now make $15 per hour.  How much would you bet that the owner can now replace you with a better employee who wouldn't have applied at min wage.

Heck, for $15/hr I'd spend my evenings flipping burgers part time.
Title: Re: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 29, 2016, 10:28:36 AM
Paramedics are licensed at the national level and most if not all will have at least an associates degree. 


Paramedic privilege. Fast food workers should also be given licenses and associates degrees, so they can earn $15 an hour.



Heck, for $15/hr I'd spend my evenings flipping burgers part time.


I applied to a couple of fast food places last year, to spend my evenings at minimum wage. They never called me. I presume they have no shortage of people with all-day availability, rather that someone with a day job. Or my lack of Sunday availability doesn't work for them.
Title: Re: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: K Frame on January 29, 2016, 10:41:19 AM
Raise your hands any of you who would willingly eat at a fast food joint where Fistful is touching your food?

 [barf]
Title: Re: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 29, 2016, 11:35:32 AM
I promise to only touch your food in a special, loving way.
Title: Re: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: wmenorr67 on January 29, 2016, 11:38:04 AM
Just don't ask for the special sauce.
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Post by: seeker_two on January 29, 2016, 12:11:36 PM
If they paid fast-food workers more than paramedics, then all the paramedics would quit & become fast-food workers.....and the ambulance services would have to hire former fast-food workers to cover.

Think about it.....
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Post by: MechAg94 on January 29, 2016, 12:52:37 PM
If they paid fast-food workers more than paramedics, then all the paramedics would quit & become fast-food workers.....and the ambulance services would have to hire former fast-food workers to cover.

Think about it.....
Either way, my policy is to never be rude to fast food workers or paramedics.  I figure that is the safe path.   =D


My brother finished his degree working as a waiter.  He is extremely polite to wait staff and food workers.  He knows what is possible. 
Title: Re: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: wmenorr67 on January 29, 2016, 01:02:05 PM
Never rude to wait staff or others in the service industry.
Title: Re: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 29, 2016, 01:31:53 PM
Honestly I didn't realize that paramedic wages were that low.
Title: Re: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: K Frame on January 29, 2016, 01:34:19 PM
DING IVs ARE DONE!

DING IVs ARE DONE!
Title: Re: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: MillCreek on January 29, 2016, 02:02:19 PM
Honestly I didn't realize that paramedic wages were that low.

Most people conflate EMTs and paramedics. I was an EMT first before becoming a paramedic.  EMTs are very low paid.  If you can get on as a paramedic in a large city fire department, you can make in the upper five figures easy or break $ 100,000 based on seniority, shift differential and overtime.
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Post by: brimic on January 29, 2016, 02:21:39 PM
Either way, my policy is to never be rude to fast food workers or paramedics.  I figure that is the safe path.   =D


My brother finished his degree working as a waiter.  He is extremely polite to wait staff and food workers.  He knows what is possible. 

This is not only possible, but I've eaten at that very restaurant many times :http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/steak-la-pube
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Post by: MechAg94 on January 29, 2016, 03:14:25 PM
This is not only possible, but I've eaten at that very restaurant many times :http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/steak-la-pube

It was a Chili's and it was in the early 90's at the latest.  He never mentioned anything really bad.  A strategic cough here and there for really obnoxious people at worst.  He spent more time talking about demanding people who don't tip.
Title: Re: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on January 29, 2016, 04:31:59 PM
I was going to rant. The rant would have pretty much consisted of *expletive deleted* over and over and over, maybe with some non expletive words kind of randomly shoved into the mix.

I am very polite to service people, because... well, because my parents raised me right and people should be polite to everyone.

However, if one of these fast food workers starts telling me that they are worth $15 an hour because they work so much harder than other people who work for less than $15 an hour, I'm going to lock them in a kennel run with the Kuvasz that tends to maul people she doesn't like.
Title: Re: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 29, 2016, 06:57:32 PM
However, if one of these fast food workers starts telling me that they are worth $15 an hour because they work so much harder than other people who work for less than $15 an hour, I'm going to lock them in a kennel run with the Kuvasz that tends to maul people she doesn't like.

Be sure to post the video on Youtube ...
Title: Re: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: charby on January 29, 2016, 07:08:38 PM
I was going to rant. The rant would have pretty much consisted of *expletive deleted* over and over and over, maybe with some non expletive words kind of randomly shoved into the mix.

I am very polite to service people, because... well, because my parents raised me right and people should be polite to everyone.

However, if one of these fast food workers starts telling me that they are worth $15 an hour because they work so much harder than other people who work for less than $15 an hour, I'm going to lock them in a kennel run with the Kuvasz that tends to maul people she doesn't like.

Send them out with a detasseling crew.
Title: Re: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: Firethorn on January 29, 2016, 07:15:44 PM
Send them out with a detasseling crew.

There's a reason file clerks tended to be paid less than fast food workers, much less detasselers.
Title: Re: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 29, 2016, 07:22:25 PM
However, if one of these fast food workers starts telling me that they are worth $15 an hour because they work so much harder than other people who work for less than $15 an hour, I'm going to lock them in a kennel run with the Kuvasz that tends to maul people she doesn't like.


She'll like them. They smell like grease.
Title: Re: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on January 29, 2016, 07:57:12 PM

She'll like them. They smell like grease.

"Zorsha, would you like fries with that?"
Title: Re: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: MechAg94 on January 29, 2016, 08:37:15 PM
I am very polite to service people, because... well, because my parents raised me right and people should be polite to everyone.
Well said.  =)
Title: Re: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: Boomhauer on January 29, 2016, 10:03:44 PM
I'll allow $15 an hour...if I get to personally drag the stupid mother *expletive deleted*er who can't manage to put the meat on the burger (much less get the rest of the order right) out back and shoot him on the spot to be replaced by someone who can do the job right.

For $15 an hour the goddamn burger better look like it does on the commercial or the spatula jockey gets it!









Title: Re: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 30, 2016, 12:50:25 AM
I'm polite to waitstaff, just as I am polite (not to mention downright friendly) with anybody who asks me what I would like to eat and drink, and then brings me that exact thing. Those people are some of my favorite people in the world.
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Post by: seeker_two on January 30, 2016, 01:08:28 PM
I use the Swayze Method.....be nice....until it's time to not be nice.
Title: Re: $15/hr "living wage" - paramedics vs. fast food workers
Post by: White Horseradish on January 30, 2016, 03:44:40 PM
The main consequence of raising fast food wages will be mechanization.

Some fast food places already are replacing order takers with iPads. There is absolutely no reason to not have a fully automated McDonalds with maybe one staffer to clear jams.