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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Hawkmoon on July 16, 2018, 01:01:43 PM
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So now the President not saying what the Ds want him to say is treason.
https://news.grabien.com/story-john-brennan-trumps-press-conference-impeachable-offense-tre
TDS is clearly an epidemic, and should be decalred such by the World Health Organization.
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Treason? No.
But that press conference was pretty bad.
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Brennan looks like he's projecting...
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I'm on limited internet for a while, so I can't search for videos.
What did POTUS say?
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There's a full transcript here:
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/16/629462401/transcript-president-trump-and-russian-president-putins-joint-press-conference
But this is a decent summary:
In retrospect, we shouldn’t have been surprised: President Trump said nothing in the course of his dismaying, obsequious press conference with Russian president Vladimir Putin that he hasn’t said on Twitter and in person a hundred times before. We shouldn’t have been surprised to see Trump blame America for Russian meddling in the 2016 election; to see him not only refuse to hold Putin’s feet to the fire, but actively to cover and make excuses for the Russian leader; to deflect again and again, as he has done for months, to Democratic obstruction and to Hillary Clinton’s email server and to the supposed duplicity of special counsel Robert Mueller.
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There's a full transcript here:
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/16/629462401/transcript-president-trump-and-russian-president-putins-joint-press-conference
But this is a decent summary:
For the... intrepid journalists.... who seem to be unable to understand how diplomacy and, in specific, Trump diplomacy works, allow me to elucidate:
At a face-to-face meeting, in public, in the press, you don't attack the other side during the press conference or in public. (This is just "normal" diplomacy, not even Trump diplomacy. Grievances and problems are not and can not be resolved in a press conference.)
I realize these.... intrepid journalists.... think Trump is a bull in a china shop, but look at how he's handled EVERY meeting with a world leader. Whatever he may think or say in private, in public they're the greatest person in the world. Look at his meetings with the Mexican president, Teresa May, "Rocket Man," etc...
Trump doesn't attack these people in public and in person. Public Trump is a different character than Twitter Trump who is further different from Private Meeting Trump.
And these... intrepid journalists... are unable to grasp that.
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Even if you want to give Trump a diplomatic pass for the sucking up, taking Putin's word on the same level as his own DNI, and for blaming America (https://www.weeklystandard.com/michael-warren/trump-blames-america-first) - it was still a bad performance.
Trump reading his opening statement sounded like a 6th grader reading a paper his parents had written for him. Putin was asked a question about his credibility and Trump jumped in to rant about how the electoral college was a big advantage for Democrats and almost incoherently repeating "NO COLLUSION" a few times just for good measure. He also keeps talking about a joint cyber-security unit with Russia. Dumb! About the only positive I noted was that he managed to not talk about himself in the third person.
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“For instance, we can bring up Mr. Browder in this particular case. Business associates of Mr. Browder have earned over one and a half billion dollars in Russia. They never paid any taxes, neither in Russian army in the United States and yet the money escaped the country, they were transferred to the United States.
They sent huge amount of money - 400 million - as a contribution to the campaign of Hillary Clinton.
Well, that's their personal case, it might have been legal, the contribution itself, but the way the...”
My, oh my... this must be the Russian collusion that Hillary and the left have been crowing about.
I think it needs to be investigated, by a new special council.
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The whole controversy is drummed up to undermine the election. Trump is right to call bs on it and encourage us all to move on.
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People are going to jump all over me for this, but so be it.
I have a feeling that President Trump is being realistic in terms of the cultural aspects of Russia as being more similar to us than of just about any of the orient. This, apart from Russia's politics per se.
To me, it's kind of in keeping with his rather realistic (and hence sometimes rough to take) general point of view.
Flame suit on,
Terry
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For background on Bill Browder, here is an excellent book:
https://smile.amazon.com/Red-Notice-Finance-Murder-Justice-ebook/dp/B00LD1ORX6/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1531793681&sr=1-1&keywords=Bill+browser
Putin has a hard*n for Bill Browder and recently tried to have him arrested in Spain on an Interpol warrant.
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I've thought for the last couple of years that China is the real threat. And that we should be Building a relationship with Russia. We have much more in common with them than the Chinese.
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I've thought for the last couple of years that China is the real threat. And that we should be Building a relationship with Russia. We have much more in common with them than the Chinese.
For example, both our countries are run by evil dictators. [tinfoil]
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Trump must have an ace in the hole.
He trolls his enemies on the left and right without mercy and is governing like a honey badger, and the honey badger don’t care.
He must have some network that is helping him with all his winning.
Is he possibly the military’s guy?
Who else would go up against the FBI and CIA?
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Trump must have an ace in the hole.
He trolls his enemies on the left and right without mercy and is governing like a honey badger, and the honey badger don’t care.
He must have some network that is helping him with all his winning.
Is he possibly the military’s guy?
Who else would go up against the FBI and CIA?
It's the KlaNRA, Chick-Fil-A, and the Christian baker oligarchy.
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People are going to jump all over me for this, but so be it.
I have a feeling that President Trump is being realistic in terms of the cultural aspects of Russia as being more similar to us than of just about any of the orient. This, apart from Russia's politics per se.
To me, it's kind of in keeping with his rather realistic (and hence sometimes rough to take) general point of view.
Flame suit on,
Terry
I've said this since my first visit to Russia in 1994. Russians and Americans (as people) are more similar than dissimilar.
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What happened to the "Asia Pivot" ??
Did the 1980's call back and offer their foreign policy ??
Did China and Best Korea "meddle" in our election(s) ??
And since no votes were changed, nor voting machines hacked, what exactly was the "meddling" that they did ?? Did they send people from "Organizing For Russia" to work for Trump and help canvass neighborhoods ?? Did they donate large amounts of money to help defeat our sitting Prime Minister ?? What exactly did they do ??
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They may have had a hand in exposing a fraction of Clinton's and the DNC's corruption
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They may have had a hand in exposing a fraction of Clinton's and the DNC's corruption
Russian hackers: rooting out the corruption that Americans are unwilling to expose.
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That's the thing. (A couple actually).
1. No one has denied that DNC and Podesta e-mails were not the truth. (i.e. claiming they are fakes).
2. No one has specified, other then claiming the e-mail hacks, what meddling the Russians did.
3. Didn't they also say that they tried to hack the RNC but since they had much better IT security, they were unable to get in ?
4. Clinton got a $400 million campaign contribution from Bill Browder ??
5. One of the Russian firms initially accused by Mueller actually appeared in court seeking Discovery...and Mueller Team is backing down/slowwalking Discovery.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-concord/russian-company-charged-in-mueller-probe-seeks-grand-jury-materials-idUSKCN1IF2YW
The government disclosed at the hearing it had collected nearly two terabytes worth of social media profiles as evidence.
An estimated 310,000 photos or 17,000 hours of music could fit into one terabyte alone, according to a blog post by an IT expert and professor at the University of Oregon.
Dubelier complained that no evidence has been turned over, and said the social media data was largely in Russian and irrelevant to his client’s case.
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And since no votes were changed, nor voting machines hacked, what exactly was the "meddling" that they did ?? Did they send people from "Organizing For Russia" to work for Trump and help canvass neighborhoods ?? Did they donate large amounts of money to help defeat our sitting Prime Minister ?? What exactly did they do ??
Let's remember:
Accusations are cheap.
Defense is expensive.
A working tactic of the Leftists. Accuse, accuse, accuse.
So defend, defend, defend, and lose sight of the real issues.
Terry, 230RN
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Trump must have an ace in the hole.
He trolls his enemies on the left and right without mercy and is governing like a honey badger, and the honey badger don’t care.
He must have some network that is helping him with all his winning.
Is he possibly the military’s guy?
Who else would go up against the FBI and CIA?
If you think in terms of Trump as the NSA’s/Military’s champion and Hillary as CIA/FBI/Deep State’s champion, things start to make sense.
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And since no votes were changed, nor voting machines hacked, what exactly was the "meddling" that they did ?? Did they send people from "Organizing For Russia" to work for Trump and help canvass neighborhoods ?? Did they donate large amounts of money to help defeat our sitting Prime Minister ?? What exactly did they do ??
It's not just what they did do, it's what they are still doing.
focusing on the potential impact of these actions, on our midterm election, misses the more important point: These actions are persistent, they're pervasive, and they are meant to undermine America's democracy on a daily basis, regardless of whether it is election time or not. Russia actors and others are exploring vulnerabilities in our critical infrastructure as well.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-warning-lights-are-blinking-red-again/
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It's not just what they did do, it's what they are still doing.https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-warning-lights-are-blinking-red-again/
Uh huh. Breaking news- governments try to affect the elections in other countries.
I know I'm supposed to get all up in arms because RUSSIA!!!! and just ignore all the meddling our country has done. Some of it was blatant, like Obama trying to unseat Netanyahu, and much more is clandestine, like the Russian efforts.
Seriously, Russia, China, heck, probably even North Korea try to do things to muck with our elections. I'm fairly certain that England, France, Japan, Australia, etc... do so as well.
I'm supposed to be angry about it this time because the Democrats got embarrassed in an election they thought they had won? Because they thought they would control the Presidency for the foreseeable future and are now frustrated that they lost, instead?
Yeah, Russia is acting like Russia has always acted. Since the Left needs some explanation that absolves them of the responsibility for running a terrible candidate that lost, we now have to saber rattle about what RUSSIA!!!!!! has done... and ignore the actual reasons they should be pariahs like their actions in Georgia and Crimea. Oh right, we don't talk about that because of who was in charge of the response then.
<countdown to "WHATABOUTISM!!!!" in 3,2,1....>
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Good and funny talk/rant on the situation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUoG4Tahd24 Use to do mostly movie and game review rants back in the day.
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Uh huh. Breaking news- governments try to affect the elections in other countries.
I know I'm supposed to get all up in arms because RUSSIA!!!! and just ignore all the meddling our country has done. Some of it was blatant, like Obama trying to unseat Netanyahu, and much more is clandestine, like the Russian efforts.
You don't need to be all up in arms. I think our president could do a better job of standing up for our country on the international stage though. That was supposed to be one of his strong points. I didn't think the points I've made so far (bad press conference, Russian attacks are bad) are really that controversial. ???
I'm supposed to be angry about it this time because the Democrats got embarrassed in an election they thought they had won? Because they thought they would control the Presidency for the foreseeable future and are now frustrated that they lost, instead?
I think you could be angry (or at least bothered?) by it all the time. As noted above, they keep doing it.
<countdown to "WHATABOUTISM!!!!" in 3,2,1....>
You can call it whataboutism, others call it moral equivalence.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-against-moral-equivalence/
When other countries spy on us, we don’t seriously treat it as a shocking moral outrage. But we do punish it and take action to prevent its recurrence, and we don’t let the knowledge that we do it too stop us.
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You don't need to be all up in arms. I think our president could do a better job of standing up for our country on the international stage though. That was supposed to be one of his strong points. I didn't think the points I've made so far (bad press conference, Russian attacks are bad) are really that controversial. ???
I think you could be angry (or at least bothered?) by it all the time. As noted above, they keep doing it.
You can call it whataboutism, others call it moral equivalence.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-against-moral-equivalence/
So are you suggesting that we aren't trying to stop foreign interference in our country?
Are your further suggesting that our intelligence agencies aren't working to "punish" Russia through a response of a similar type to the one they did?
My point isn't that it's no big deal, who cares, it's that WE ARE DOING THAT RIGHT NOW, too. Whether in response to the Russians or as a matter of course, we are responding to them.
And, again, the press conference for your first meeting with another leader is the appropriate time to call them a liar? Because that's what you and the... intrepid journalists... are intimating.
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What a *expletive deleted*it show. So Trump actually display some diplomacy and didn't attempt to initiate WW III and the libtards are upset. He impuned the credibility of the very Intel agencies that have actively used the power of the state against him, both before the election and since, and heads are exploding and screaming for impeachment for treason.
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/07/16/rand_paul_people_hate_trump_so_much_they_refuse_to_work_responsibly_with_russia.html
Rand Paul with a clear understanding of what is going on.
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You don't need to be all up in arms. I think our president could do a better job of standing up for our country on the international stage though. That was supposed to be one of his strong points. I didn't think the points I've made so far (bad press conference, Russian attacks are bad) are really that controversial. ???
I think you could be angry (or at least bothered?) by it all the time. As noted above, they keep doing it.
You can call it whataboutism, others call it moral equivalence.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-against-moral-equivalence/
Oh, I forgot another point: The reason I'm not all up in arms about this is because the amount of "meddling" by Russia is a joke.
They didn't hack voting machines. They didn't change votes.
If EVERYTHING that is alleged is true, they caught the Democrats in a laughable Phishing scheme (that the Republicans were sufficiently competent to avoid) and published emails that embarrassed the Democrats.
THE DEMOCRATS GOT EMBARRASSED! IT'S TIME TO NUKE MOSCOW!
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So are you suggesting that we aren't trying to stop foreign interference in our country?
Are your further suggesting that our intelligence agencies aren't working to "punish" Russia through a response of a similar type to the one they did?
I don't claim to know everything our country is doing to respond behind the scenes and I don't believe I did any suggesting that they are doing nothing.
The public response by the president has been weak, exceptionally so at this press conference.
And, again, the press conference for your first meeting with another leader is the appropriate time to call them a liar? Because that's what you and the... intrepid journalists... are intimating.
I'm not going to speak for the... intrepid journalists... and I am not intimating anything undiplomatic was the proper course. I believe there is some middle ground between calling Putin a liar and doing what Trump did at this press conference. A response that would be diplomatic, without throwing our intelligence agencies under the bus and blaming America. Also, without ranting about the electoral college and Hillary's servers & emails, or thanking Putin for his absurd offer to "assist us" with cyber security and the Mueller investigation.
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I'm not going to speak for the... intrepid journalists... and I am not intimating anything undiplomatic was the proper course. I believe there is some middle ground calling Putin a liar and doing what Trump did at this press conference. A response that would be diplomatic, without throwing our intelligence agencies under the bus and blaming America. Also, without ranting about the electoral college and Hillary's servers & emails, or thanking Putin for his absurd offer to "assist us" with cyber security and the Mueller investigation.
If all you are saying is that Trump could have been more politic about the intelligence agencies, sure, he probably could have.
He's not trying to butter them up. In fact, he's clearly being targeted by elements of those agencies (and the HUGE number of leaks from these agencies proves that) so he's more than willing to attack them whenever and wherever he can.
But, again, the OUTRAGE!!!! over this and the OUTRAGE over the RUSSIA HACKING!!!!! is clearly, as Rand Paul noted, about hating Trump and not a proper response to the issues as presented.
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http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/index.php?itemid=467
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A very intelligent analysis (because he agrees with me):
https://amgreatness.com/2018/07/17/diplomacy-101-vs-politics-writ-small/
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http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/index.php?itemid=467
And aren't you the same *expletive deleted*ing shitweasels who were screaming about Iraq, accusing Trump of risking a war with North Korea, a nation who is outgunned by several metropolitan police departments,
I'm unaware of any police departments (metropolitan or otherwise) with nuclear weapons.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-17/trump-says-he-accepts-u-s-finding-russia-meddled-in-election
And Trump walks some of it back.
Because it would have been stupid to call Putin a liar to his face.
This pretty much tracks with exactly what I've been saying.
(Though Trump is still being too polite, I'd have gone with "Of COURSE they meddled in the election you monumental morons. Asking that question and daring me to insult the man I'm trying to negotiate with just proves how stupid and vile you all are.)
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http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/index.php?itemid=467
I don't see anything there I disagree with.
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Trump represents the mood of his electors by not baiting conflict with Russia and reaffirming that his voters deserve to have a voice in picking the president.
Democrats and law enforcement, who oppose those voters, declare his efforts to stand up for the views of the electorate as an assault on democracy, and demand that their votes take second place to an unelected law enforcement and intelligence agency view.
The problem isn’t Russian meddling - the problem is that voters agreed that Trump was a better candidate and now various institutions are trying to subvert that vote. They cannot seem to wrap their heads around the fact that it is the voters, and the people they elect, who get to decide on what terms the US engaged with Russia (and therefore who define what is treason!)
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(Though Trump is still being too polite, I'd have gone with "Of COURSE they meddled in the election you monumental morons. Asking that question and daring me to insult the man I'm trying to negotiate with just proves how stupid and vile you all are.)
The new media was looking for any sliver they could find of Trump admitting Russia helped him get elected. I thought he handled that part of it just fine.
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If all you are saying is that Trump could have been more politic about the intelligence agencies, sure, he probably could have.
He's not trying to butter them up. In fact, he's clearly being targeted by elements of those agencies (and the HUGE number of leaks from these agencies proves that) so he's more than willing to attack them whenever and wherever he can.
But, again, the OUTRAGE!!!! over this and the OUTRAGE over the RUSSIA HACKING!!!!! is clearly, as Rand Paul noted, about hating Trump and not a proper response to the issues as presented.
Rush Limbaugh said something similar about the intelligence agencies attacking Trump. The last few years every other day in the media is some article citing unnamed sources in govt or in some intelligence agency. Why is it unusual that he might see them as adversaries when they (or certain members) seem to be acting the part.
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Rush Limbaugh said something similar about the intelligence agencies attacking Trump. The last few years every other day in the media is some article citing unnamed sources in govt or in some intelligence agency. Why is it unusual that he might see them as adversaries when they (or certain members) seem to be acting the part.
This is exactly why Rush Limbaugh is such a genius. He agrees with me.
(Oh, and he says things in a much better, wittier, and more informative way than I do, but what's important is he agrees with me.)
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Rush Limbaugh said something similar about the intelligence agencies attacking Trump. The last few years every other day in the media is some article citing unnamed sources in govt or in some intelligence agency. Why is it unusual that he might see them as adversaries when they (or certain members) seem to be acting the part.
Civil/political war within the Federal government. .mil/NSA/Trump/DHS on one side and CIA/FBI/Clinton Crime Syndicate/Globalist interests/Mainstream media on the other. If you watch the news very carefully and how agencies/congresscritters posture, you can see where every actor falls.
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For the... intrepid journalists.... who seem to be unable to understand how diplomacy and, in specific, Trump diplomacy works, allow me to elucidate:
At a face-to-face meeting, in public, in the press, you don't attack the other side during the press conference or in public. (This is just "normal" diplomacy, not even Trump diplomacy. Grievances and problems are not and can not be resolved in a press conference.)
I realize these.... intrepid journalists.... think Trump is a bull in a china shop, but look at how he's handled EVERY meeting with a world leader. Whatever he may think or say in private, in public they're the greatest person in the world. Look at his meetings with the Mexican president, Teresa May, "Rocket Man," etc...
Trump doesn't attack these people in public and in person. Public Trump is a different character than Twitter Trump who is further different from Private Meeting Trump.
And these... intrepid journalists... are unable to grasp that.
^^^^This. Except when he is shitting on CNN and Lame Stream Media.
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I like how the left is all "The Intelligence community says Russia did it !!!"
The same intelligence community that missed the WTC bombing (the first time), 9/11, Got us into a war in Iraq on false pretenses, etc ?? Those guys that you lambasted for being wrong, Wrong, WRONG!!! in the past, you now hold up as the absolute authorities as getting this right ??
Color me skeptical...
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I like how the left is all "The Intelligence community says Russia did it !!!"
The same intelligence community that missed the WTC bombing (the first time), 9/11, Got us into a war in Iraq on false pretenses, etc ?? Those guys that you lambasted for being wrong, Wrong, WRONG!!! in the past, you now hold up as the absolute authorities as getting this right ??
Color me skeptical...
Is that like how they hated law enforcement when it was hunting unarmed black kids for sport, but then were outraged that Trump would have misgivings about the FBI, but then they want to abolish ICE?
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Is that like how they hated law enforcement when it was hunting unarmed black kids for sport, but then were outraged that Trump would have misgivings about the FBI, but then they want to abolish ICE?
Then blasts Trump for actually making a statement about the issue during the campaign, which said there was more to do in race relations and correctly identified a lack of economic power as part of the problem?
Yep. Crazy
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What happened to the "Asia Pivot" ??
Did the 1980's call back and offer their foreign policy ??
Did China and Best Korea "meddle" in our election(s) ??
And since no votes were changed, nor voting machines hacked, what exactly was the "meddling" that they did ?? Did they send people from "Organizing For Russia" to work for Trump and help canvass neighborhoods ?? Did they donate large amounts of money to help defeat our sitting Prime Minister ?? What exactly did they do ??
The Russians found some boxes of forgotten absentee ballots in the trunk of a Lada
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Color me skeptical...
Skeptical that it was Russia?
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Skeptical that it was Russia?
Yes, since the server was never examined by the FBI.
https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/
https://theforensicator.wordpress.com/page/1/
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Yes, since the server was never examined by the FBI.
https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/
https://theforensicator.wordpress.com/page/1/
I'm surprised they didn't. They missed an opportunity and could have blamed it on Trump.
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Yes, since the server was never examined by the FBI.
https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/
https://theforensicator.wordpress.com/page/1/
So do you think Coats and Wray and Pompeo and the senate intelligence committee and the house intelligence committee that concurred with the ICA are just going along with 'the Russia thing' to not upset anyone? Or do they not know any better or what?
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So do you think Coats and Wray and Pompeo and the senate intelligence committee and the house intelligence committee that concurred with the ICA are just going along with 'the Russia thing' to not upset anyone? Or do they not know any better or what?
So do you have evidence that says they are right? Those intelligence agencies never actually investigated it themselves. Last I heard, there was evidence it may have been done by Russian hackers. I didn't see anything about it being a state sponsored hack. Plus, Obama ridiculed candidate Trump for suggesting that anyone could hack a US Presidential election. It seemed to me the "hack" was not very sophisticated and was something a high profile group like the DNC should be prepared for on a daily basis.
Right now the whole thing is a questionable mess that the media and some Democrats are trying to use to attack Trump. IMO, they are deliberately confusing the facts to avoid any resolution that might take away the weapon they are currently using. As soon as something else surfaces that they think they can use against Trump, this will be abandoned and they will switch to the new talking points.
https://youtu.be/UXpRswM-tzc?t=2m10s
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I will put this here since I am not sure it warrants a new thread.
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/exposed-peter-strzok-grew-up-in-iran-worked-as-obama-and-brennans-envoy-to-iranian-regime/
Peter Strzok Grew Up In Iran, Worked As Obama and Brennan’s Envoy To Iranian Regime
Sure seems like all these guys seem to run together.
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So do you have evidence that says they are right?
No, I don't think anyone here is going to have any evidence, ultimately it comes down to taking someone's word. Not trusting Brennan and Comey on this is perfectly reasonable to me. It still doesn't explain why I should ignore all the other (more trustworthy) people that say the same thing, people that Trump appointed and people in congress who support him. Why take the word of Putin, Assange, and some anonymous bloggers instead? And again what does that mean about Coats, Wray & Pompeo - are they deep state too or just useful idiots in this?
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hy take the word of Putin, Assange, and some anonymous bloggers instead?
I wouldn't lump Assange in with the others... he hasn't put out anything that isn't 100% true.
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I wouldn't lump Assange in with the others... he hasn't put out anything that isn't 100% true.
Ok to be fair to Assange in this respect, I think he has only denied that they got the documents from Russia. I'm not sure he has weighed in on whether Russia hacked the DNC and I'm not sure his opinion would carry much weight on that anyway - how/why would he know? It is certainly possible for Russia to have hacked the DNC and then used an intermediary to deliver the documents to wikileaks so he would have been telling the truth.
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snip..... what does that mean about Coats, Wray & Pompeo - are they deep state too or just useful idiots in this?
Those are not mutually exclusive conditions.
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http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/20/white-house-defend-diplomats-says-hillary-clinton-let-four-u-s-diplomats-die/
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It still doesn't explain why I should ignore all the other (more trustworthy) people that say the same thing, people that Trump appointed and people in congress who support him. Why take the word of Putin, Assange, and some anonymous bloggers instead? And again what does that mean about Coats, Wray & Pompeo - are they deep state too or just useful idiots in this?
But the top people don't do any investigating themselves. They get their information from the line-level troops, and those ARE "deep state."
Didn't Colin Powell acknowledge that he was lied to when he pitched the "weapons of mass destruction" when advocating in favor of invading Iraq? It's not that Coats, Wray, and/or Pompeo are liars, it's simply that we have no assurance that they have been given valid information -- and good reason to suspect that they have NOT been given valid information.
In other words ... yes, they are useful idiots.
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While is spent my career in the IT field, I’m no expert on hacking. All that being said...
It would seem to be very easy to believe that that any state actor could leave a false flag “footprint” (if any) behind during or after a cyber attack. I recall news articles about this very process just as this whole goat rodeo was brewing.
Our intelligence apparatus seems to be particularly adept and swallowing camels and straining at gnats. We are supposed to believe the same bureaucracy that spawned Strzok, McCabe, Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Lynch, et endless cetera? Who can be absolutely Clouseau-like when presented with clear intel on the FL high-school shooter and the Tsarnaev brothers? Really? When the political stakes are this high?
Nope, nope... nope. We indicted those Russkies for something, let’s present the evidence, go thru discovery, and try ‘em. If we don’t, than this is all political theater by the Deep State.