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Title: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Fly320s on February 11, 2020, 05:56:28 PM
The wheels of justice turn slowly, but they do turn.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/jussie-smollett-indicted-chicago-empire-special-prosecutor
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Ben on February 11, 2020, 06:11:57 PM
I'll believe it when he's convicted and given the same sentence a random schmuck off the street would get.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: RoadKingLarry on February 11, 2020, 06:23:25 PM
^^^
What he said.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Hawkmoon on February 11, 2020, 08:47:47 PM
I'll believe it when he's convicted and given the same sentence a random schmuck off the street would get.

To borrow a phrase from RKL:

^^^
What he said.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 11, 2020, 08:49:42 PM
Sorry, haters, but I agree with what Ben said.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: MechAg94 on February 11, 2020, 09:11:57 PM
So y'all think a slap on the hand plea deal is in the works?
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Ben on February 11, 2020, 09:21:11 PM
So y'all think a slap on the hand plea deal is in the works?

Sorry to come off as a deplorable, racist, homophobe, but he's an elitist celebrity*, black, and gay. He's got connections and diversity points. It might not be a "get out of jail free" card, but I bet it'll be one of those lame ass probation/community service things where the community service is a catered event. He'll also probably end up making money out of the whole thing.

* Though I never even heard of him before this whole thing started.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: dogmush on February 12, 2020, 04:11:46 AM
What do we think the normal sentence for false reporting of an assault would be?

I can't imagine that's a maximum sentence, jail time kind of thing, especially with no prior record. Does anyone know of a case where someone was prosecuted for false reporting?

Anecdotally I know a couple wives/girlfriends that falsely reported assaults,  and when they recanted they just let the guy go and dropped it.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 12, 2020, 07:29:29 AM
What do we think the normal sentence for false reporting of an assault would be?

I can't imagine that's a maximum sentence, jail time kind of thing, especially with no prior record. Does anyone know of a case where someone was prosecuted for false reporting?

Anecdotally I know a couple wives/girlfriends that falsely reported assaults,  and when they recanted they just let the guy go and dropped it.

I bet those cases weren't international news stories that embarrassed the city and wasted vast sums of tax-payer funds.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Ben on February 12, 2020, 07:48:59 AM
What do we think the normal sentence for false reporting of an assault would be?


While it would never happen in real life, in Ben's World, the false reporter would face the same jail time as the innocent people they set up. In Smollett's case, I'll WAG that the "Trump supporters" would have gotten at least five years for the black/gay hate crime.

Also in Ben's World, there would be no such thing as a hate crime, or if there were, the punishment would be the same as for any other crime.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: K Frame on February 12, 2020, 07:50:52 AM
Is he still wearing the noose around, or has he finally taken it off?

Wasn't that one of the rumors, that he alleged wore the noose for several hours after the incident?
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: dogmush on February 12, 2020, 10:50:33 AM
I bet those cases weren't international news stories that embarrassed the city and wasted vast sums of tax-payer funds.

Quote from: Ben
While it would never happen in real life, in Ben's World, the false reporter would face the same jail time as the innocent people they set up. In Smollett's case, I'll WAG that the "Trump supporters" would have gotten at least five years for the black/gay hate crime.

Got it. This case is kinda different from a nobody filing a false report.

But there were a bunch of agreement's to Ben's post:

Quote from: Ben
I'll believe it when he's convicted and given the same sentence a random schmuck off the street would get.


I don't disagree off hand, but I wonder what we think a random schmuck would get.  It's a genuine request for data.

I can google the law and find the max penalties, but I don't think those are likely for anyone, so how are we judging whether Jussie get's more, less, or the same justice a non celeb would get?  Does anyone know of a case where someone got jail time for faking an assault?  Any of those fake SJ folks from last election go to jail?  What is the norm?  While I understand that the City of Chicago spent some money and manpower investigating, it's not like it is known for great fiscal management.  His crime's "victim" is pretty nebulous.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: makattak on February 12, 2020, 10:52:27 AM
Is he still wearing the noose around, or has he finally taken it off?

Wasn't that one of the rumors, that he alleged wore the noose for several hours after the incident?

I thought there was video to that effect.

I recall having seen at least a picture of the "noose" made with cotton clothesline rope around the French actor's neck. 
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Ben on February 12, 2020, 11:28:06 AM
I don't disagree off hand, but I wonder what we think a random schmuck would get.  It's a genuine request for data.

I'd be curious as well. I would say there is a difference between the people who smash their cars with a baseball bat and cry "X" diversity hate crime, and the Smollett types, where he both hired people to smack him around, and then we initially "had video of the attackers", and I'm not giving high odds that Smollett would have come clean if some innocent randos were picked up and prosecuted. I think he would have let them go to jail, no problem.

Just like some of the stuff we've talked about in the past, where someone was accused and identified, but it was a case of spite and they were innocent. Their lives were still ruined, even after they were cleared of a crime. I can see letting the "car beater" go with probation or whatever, but when you plan something that would get innocent people locked up, you need to be locked up.

Not really the same thing, but it seems these celebrities involved in the college admissions scandal are getting off easy, and easier than someone without fame or money.

Then I guess we have the other side of it, where, for example, Roger Stone was up for 9 years in prison for something that would get someone else a slap, or wouldn't even be considered a crime. All because he's famous in the wrong way by being aligned with Trump.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: brimic on February 12, 2020, 12:20:03 PM
I thought that it was a horrible precedent to not prosecute someone trying to cause social upheaval by committing fake hate crimes, I also think its probably worse, if there is no meaningful punishment handed down if he is prosecuted.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: K Frame on February 12, 2020, 12:24:45 PM
I thought that it was a horrible precedent to not prosecute someone trying to cause social upheaval by committing fake hate crimes, I also think its probably worse, if there is no meaningful punishment handed down if he is prosecuted.

How can you prosecute someone when they self-identify as an honest person?

That would be hurty and wrong.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Hawkmoon on February 12, 2020, 12:27:48 PM
Is he still wearing the noose around, or has he finally taken it off?

Wasn't that one of the rumors, that he alleged wore the noose for several hours after the incident?

Not a rumor -- documented. He was still wearing it when the police showed up at his apartment in response to his call.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: brimic on February 12, 2020, 12:35:09 PM
Not a rumor -- documented. He was still wearing it when the police showed up at his apartment in response to his call.

That's residue of the vision Obama had for America.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: K Frame on February 12, 2020, 12:41:58 PM
Interesting.

I'd not followed the case closely at all, but I remember when it originally happened I just had this nagging feeling that there was something off about the allegations.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 12, 2020, 01:30:38 PM
Got it. This case is kinda different from a nobody filing a false report.

But there were a bunch of agreement's to Ben's post:
 

I don't disagree off hand, but I wonder what we think a random schmuck would get.  It's a genuine request for data.

I can google the law and find the max penalties, but I don't think those are likely for anyone, so how are we judging whether Jussie get's more, less, or the same justice a non celeb would get?  Does anyone know of a case where someone got jail time for faking an assault?  Any of those fake SJ folks from last election go to jail?  What is the norm?  While I understand that the City of Chicago spent some money and manpower investigating, it's not like it is known for great fiscal management.  His crime's "victim" is pretty nebulous.

I would like Smollett to receive the same sentence as any nobody who reported a fake crime, which was international news, and embarrassed the city, and wasted vast sums of taxpayer funds.

Or think of it this way. Some of us would prefer heavier penalties for crying wolf, and we'd like for it to start with that inarticulate America-hating homosexual with the silly name.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: MechAg94 on February 12, 2020, 04:35:35 PM
I agree.  He should be prosecuted.  If found guilty, he should get a consistent sentence and forced to serve it out 100%.  No good behavior or early release.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Angel Eyes on February 12, 2020, 04:47:49 PM
I would like Smollett to receive the same sentence as any nobody who reported a fake crime

Some have suggested that Smollett should receive the same punishment as the perpetrator of the "hate crime", had it actually occurred.

Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: dogmush on February 13, 2020, 03:38:16 AM
I would like Smollett to receive the same sentence as any nobody who reported a fake crime, which was international news, and embarrassed the city, and wasted vast sums of taxpayer funds.
.

And that sentance would be.........?
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: MechAg94 on February 13, 2020, 11:53:43 AM
Some have suggested that Smollett should receive the same punishment as the perpetrator of the "hate crime", had it actually occurred.


That is fine and all, but it sure seems like such a law would just be another in a long list of laws that don't really accomplish much.  Lying to police and/or perjury should offer plenty of punishment.  We need to simplify our criminal punishment laws and use them, not add on more.  If they actually prosecute him instead of doing the sweetheart plea deal, it should be enough.  
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: JN01 on February 13, 2020, 02:05:07 PM
Six counts of disorderly conduct- I’m guessing he won’t be sent to the Big House.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Ben on February 13, 2020, 02:35:25 PM
Six counts of disorderly conduct- I’m guessing he won’t be sent to the Big House.

They might as well have done six counts of jaywalking.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 13, 2020, 05:20:12 PM
And that sentance would be.........?


What is a sentance?
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: dogmush on February 14, 2020, 02:24:23 AM
Yes.  That's the take away.  I misspelled a word.

You've cried for several posts now that Smollett's going to get off "light", despite the fact that no one here seems to have any idea what the baseline is, you're just sure that he's getting preferential treatment because of money and/or SJW politics.

But by all means continue to bloviate uselessly because I misspelled "sentence", in a context to in which my meaning was pretty dang clear.

Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Ben on February 14, 2020, 08:09:51 AM
Smollett's going to get off "light", despite the fact that no one here seems to have any idea what the baseline is, you're just sure that he's getting preferential treatment because of money and/or SJW politics.

While I'm still interested in as you said, "baseline data",  rereading the thread, something Brimic said stood out:

Quote
I thought that it was a horrible precedent to not prosecute someone trying to cause social upheaval by committing fake hate crimes,

That is something it will be hard to "baseline", because it's where his "fame" comes in. His celebrity and political and other connections created a situation where there could have been actual riots leading to property destruction, injuries, or even death. There is no doubt that his celebrity and diversity got this 100x the exposure it would have gotten were he some black, gay guy living in suburbia and working at an IT firm or similar.

I guess a sorta analogy might be the Zimmerman/Martin thing: Had Al Sharpton etc. not gotten involved, or had it been white on white or black on black thing, we wouldn't have had BLM, violent protests, and everyone's routes to work being blocked, causing all kinds of expensive upheaval.

Maybe it's the 24/7 news to blame for "celebrity escalation", and it's unfair to hand a harsher sentence to the famous person, but I think there is little doubt that the damaging fallout to innocent society is greater than if some unknown does the same thing.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: DittoHead on February 14, 2020, 09:44:44 AM
it's the 24/7 news to blame for "celebrity escalation", and it's unfair to hand a harsher sentence to the famous person
This is the unfortunate reality.
I don't think it's wise to try for some kind of famous person modifier assuming you're also opposed to a hate crime modifier.

But by all means continue to bloviate uselessly
[popcorn]
I honestly don't know why you'd expect anything else.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Angel Eyes on February 14, 2020, 03:26:06 PM
(https://i.redd.it/6eycfwo9ieg41.jpg)
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 14, 2020, 03:58:05 PM
dogmush,

Before you got into baseless personal attacks, you were making a good point. It seems like this is an emotional issue for you, but the fact that I countered your argument and mocked your spelling doesn’t make my 4 short replies into several posts of crying or bloviating, as you claim.

I think you’re probably right that people reporting fake crimes don’t usually get the book thrown at them. Still, if one of those cases became as high-profile and expensive as this one, I think it’s not unreasonable to expect that the city would throw several books at them. I suspect, if I staged a hate crime in Chicago, and it somehow became as big a story as the Smollett case, I would be in far more trouble than Smollett is now. That's because I'm not wealthy, famous, black, or a pervert.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: WLJ on November 29, 2021, 08:47:05 PM
Well this looks like a good start  :facepalm:

Quote
    Smollett trial: in opening, Smollett’s attorney is telling jury that Smollett is a victim. The Osundairo brothers are “sophisticated” criminals that did not like Jussie.

    — Matt Finn (@MattFinnFNC) November 30, 2021
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/29/attorney-the-osundairo-brothers-are-sophisticated-criminals-that-did-not-like-jussie-smollett/
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Bogie on November 29, 2021, 10:03:58 PM
Do any of you remember the racist stuff and swastikas and stuff and white supremacist stuff and stuff that was scrawled on a wall, in feces, at the University of Missouri.
 
They resigned the president, and a bunch of other folks over it.
 
And...
 
NOBODY took a cell phone video or even a photo of the horrible thing before someone washed it off.
 
I call bull.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 29, 2021, 11:02:30 PM
Well this looks like a good start  :facepalm:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/29/attorney-the-osundairo-brothers-are-sophisticated-criminals-that-did-not-like-jussie-smollett/

Sophisticated criminals or not, they are black. And Smollett reported that he was assaulted by two white men.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: gunsmith on November 30, 2021, 01:20:10 AM
it seems that the lefties did thousands of fake hate crimes iirc
 its about time some one got prosecuted for it
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: 230RN on November 30, 2021, 05:09:59 AM
"While I understand that the City of Chicago spent some money and manpower investigating, it's not like it is known for great fiscal management.  His crime's 'victim' is pretty nebulous."

While that may be nebulous, laws against false reporting (whatever the punishment) discourage others from pulling stuff where false reporting actually causes problems for the victim. :"For the discouragement of others" is a valid reason for some laws, with appropriate punishment.

The punishment for perjury comes to mind for this one, and I believe some law or whatever somewhere said, "Thou shalt not bear false witness" or some such archaic principle.  Wish I could remember where I saw that.  I guess the punishment for that one was you got somebody in high authority pretty mad at you.


By the way, is he the guy doing commercials for hair loss treatments?  Commercials can bring in a pretty penny for the actors, you know.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: WLJ on November 30, 2021, 01:11:48 PM
A trip down memory lane

MEGATHREAD: All the gullible libs who fell for the Jussie Smollett hoax
https://twitter.com/ebeth360/status/1465713431596572691?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 30, 2021, 02:06:24 PM
A trip down memory lane

MEGATHREAD: All the gullible libs who fell for the Jussie Smollett hoax
https://twitter.com/ebeth360/status/1465713431596572691?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

I like the ones who are angry about it being described as a "possible hate crime."  =D
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Ben on December 01, 2021, 07:13:04 PM
Hey, how come the Rittenhouse trial was televised and the Smollett trial is not?

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/12/01/jussie-smolletts-trial-might-not-be-going-his-way-as-evidenced-by-reporters-thread/
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: dogmush on December 02, 2021, 04:59:50 AM
How come the Rittenhouse trial was televised and the MAXWELL trial is not......
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Big Hairy Bee on December 02, 2021, 07:53:39 AM
Maxwell is a Federal case
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 02, 2021, 01:52:17 PM
please delete
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Ben on December 02, 2021, 07:03:34 PM
So Smollett's defense team is now using the, "The judge attacked me" tactic. Bold choice.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/12/02/clown-show-jussie-smolletts-defense-attorney-accuses-the-judge-of-physically-lunging-at-her-snarling/
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: MechAg94 on December 02, 2021, 11:08:01 PM
They should try the missile-toad defense.

(https://i.imgur.com/zLZOCdi.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: MechAg94 on December 02, 2021, 11:09:22 PM
or...."Hey, that guy isn't wearing a mask!"

(https://i.imgur.com/Hrud0U4.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: WLJ on December 03, 2021, 07:52:38 AM
^^^
P-38
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 03, 2021, 01:05:06 PM
^^^
P-38

Probably airsoft.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: bedlamite on December 03, 2021, 05:56:21 PM
(https://i.redd.it/36y465dagc381.jpg)
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 03, 2021, 08:13:44 PM
(https://i.redd.it/36y465dagc381.jpg)

I'm sorry, but that there is funny. (Probably because it seems to be true. Naturally, Juicy is now trying to throw the bruthas under the bus.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 03, 2021, 09:59:30 PM
(https://i.redd.it/36y465dagc381.jpg)


Jussie Smollet American? Pretty sure he's on the other team.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: WLJ on December 04, 2021, 12:05:16 PM
Yikes

Epic Backfire! Jussie Smollett Trial REVEALS A Rehearsal Tape Of Hoax!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVEXdE590lI

Video reveals Jussie Smollett with attackers day before alleged hate crime took place
Special prosecutor Dan Webb teased video footage of Smollett executing a “dress rehearsal” with the two men allegedly hired to execute the attack.
https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/arts-culture/583756-video-reveals-jussie-smollett-with-attackers-day
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: dogmush on December 04, 2021, 02:46:10 PM
Dave Chappelle had one of the best Hollywood takes on this thing from the beginning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZXoErL2124

NSFW (Obviously, It's Dave Chappelle)
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: K Frame on December 07, 2021, 07:27:46 AM
OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY!

CNN's Don Lemon is now being tied to the Smollett mess!

This could get really interesting!

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/jussie-smollett-testifies-text-cnns-don-lemon-chicago-police-attack-investigation
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: JN01 on December 07, 2021, 04:17:50 PM
Quote
The class 4 felony carries a prison sentence of up to three years, but experts have said if Smollett is convicted he likely would be placed on probation and ordered to perform community service.

Never appearing in public again would be a good option.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: WLJ on December 07, 2021, 04:20:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=934zhJFIn8c
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: WLJ on December 08, 2021, 06:37:40 PM
Quote
    National BLM organization statement on Smollett: “In our commitment to [police] abolition, we can never believe police…over Jussie Smollett, a Black man who has been courageously present, visible, and vocal in the struggle for Black freedom.” https://t.co/mSXpu9EyN3

    — Guy Benson (@guypbenson) December 8, 2021
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/12/08/black-lives-matter-issues-statement-says-they-could-never-believe-police-over-a-black-man-like-jussie-smollett/
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Ben on December 08, 2021, 06:55:27 PM
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/12/08/black-lives-matter-issues-statement-says-they-could-never-believe-police-over-a-black-man-like-jussie-smollett/

What about the black guy that testified against him?
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 08, 2021, 07:04:25 PM
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/12/08/black-lives-matter-issues-statement-says-they-could-never-believe-police-over-a-black-man-like-jussie-smollett/

They're getting less and less interested in hiding their racism.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 08, 2021, 07:14:10 PM
What about the black guy that testified against him?

His story doesn't fit the narrative, so he's not black enough.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: WLJ on December 08, 2021, 07:20:45 PM
They're getting less and less interested in hiding their racism.

When did they ever hide it?
The MSM may have tried to hide it but BLM never did. In fact they seem to be darn proud of it.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 08, 2021, 10:56:05 PM
When did they ever hide it?
The MSM may have tried to hide it but BLM never did. In fact they seem to be darn proud of it.

Probably depends on which representative/shill of BLM we're talking about.  There have been plenty of assurances that BLM is not racist. Plenty of people believed it, and still do.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 08, 2021, 11:01:05 PM
There have been plenty of assurances that BLM is not racist. Plenty of people believed it, and still do.

It's an inherent contradiction. If they weren't racist, they wouldn't be crusading about "black" lives, they'd be crusading about police misconduct in general, and they wouldn't get all butthurt when someone says that 'All Live Matter."
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Pb on December 08, 2021, 11:22:22 PM
You no very well that persons of color can never be racist by definition.  Only people with power, like white devils can be racist.   ;/
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 08, 2021, 11:24:51 PM
It's an inherent contradiction. If they weren't racist, they wouldn't be crusading about "black" lives, they'd be crusading about police misconduct in general, and they wouldn't get all butthurt when someone says that 'All Live Matter."

People are easily fooled.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Bogie on December 08, 2021, 11:43:21 PM
Most of my neighbors with BLM signs are white folks with skinny jeans and purple hair who insist that they are NOT gentrifying the neighborhood...
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Ron on December 09, 2021, 06:32:38 PM
Guilty on 5 of 6 charges
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: dogmush on December 09, 2021, 06:34:40 PM
The racist courts strike again.


(Did I get that right?)
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Ben on December 09, 2021, 07:13:47 PM
And it looks like he'll get off with probation - for a "hate crime" which is supposed to be the worst kind of crime in the universe, right?

In the meantime, who was that white celebrity that gamed the system to get her kid into college? And then went to prison?
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Jim147 on December 09, 2021, 07:37:48 PM
Any cities burning yet?
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: WLJ on December 09, 2021, 07:57:28 PM
Any cities burning yet?

No more than normal
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 09, 2021, 08:08:12 PM
JUSTICE FOR JUSSIE!

https://nypost.com/2021/12/09/jussie-smollett-convicted-of-staging-hate-crime/


Okay ...
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: WLJ on December 09, 2021, 10:02:20 PM
Remember this you evil conservatives before you celebrate

JAN 6!


The ReidOut blogger explains what conservatives should realize before relishing the Jussie Smollett verdict
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/12/09/the-reidout-blogger-explains-what-conservatives-should-realize-before-relishing-the-jussie-smollet-verdict/
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: BobR on December 09, 2021, 10:20:29 PM
Guilty on 5 of 6 charges

I bet  Jussie is beating himself up pretty bad over this turn of events.

bob
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: WLJ on December 09, 2021, 10:23:26 PM
I bet  Jussie is beating himself up pretty bad over this turn of events.

bob

He pays guys to do that
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 09, 2021, 11:10:04 PM
He pays guys to do that

They're just doing the work that Americans don't want to do.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Fly320s on December 10, 2021, 07:17:16 AM
I'll believe it when he's convicted and given the same sentence a random schmuck off the street would get.

Do you believe?     :rofl:
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Ben on December 10, 2021, 07:49:31 AM
Do you believe?     :rofl:

We haven't seen the sentence yet. I'll eat crow, but I'll wait till everything is over.  =)
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 10, 2021, 04:50:48 PM
And it looks like he'll get off with probation - for a "hate crime" which is supposed to be the worst kind of crime in the universe, right?

In the meantime, who was that white celebrity that gamed the system to get her kid into college? And then went to prison?

For staging a hate crime.

Anyone know his motive? Was it for publicity, or to make a political point, or equally both?
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 10, 2021, 05:35:12 PM
For staging a hate crime.

Anyone know his motive? Was it for publicity, or to make a political point, or equally both?

Smollett?

Allegedly it was to get more publicity so the studio would pay him more for his role in Empire.

There is also a take that he had received a threatening letter and the studio didn't take it as seriously as he thought they should, so the attack was to "prove" that he was in peril. There was suspicion that he actually sent the threatening letter to himself.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Bogie on December 10, 2021, 05:39:20 PM
It seems like most of the "hate crimes" have been staged...
 
It is getting old.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Ben on December 10, 2021, 06:28:58 PM
For staging a hate crime.

I hate the term "hate crime" to begin with, but would argue that staging one should get the same punishment as the real thing. If you're into considering "hate crimes" valid.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: WLJ on December 10, 2021, 08:35:04 PM
This aged well

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A still-disputed aspect of the attack on Smollett is a line shouted after his attackers fled the scene: "This is MAGA country." While its veracity isn't confirmed, its sentiment needs no fact-check. America's choice to embrace the blind rage of late-stage whiteness in decline is an explicit longing for this kind of crime, a version of America in which those who do not assimilate to the satisfaction of their white, straight, and Christian betters are subject to the impunity of law enforcement, the scorn of the media and the fury of racist homophobes stalking the streets of your city, who want you to know that they could lynch you if they really wanted to, and maybe get away with it too.

Oooookay  :O

The Racist, Homophobic Attack on Jussie Smollett Is America's Endgame
https://www.gq.com/story/jussie-smollett-hate-crime?utm_brand=gq&utm_social-type=owned&mbid=social_twitter&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: WLJ on December 11, 2021, 10:59:11 AM
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Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: WLJ on December 11, 2021, 11:02:36 AM
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Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 11, 2021, 01:34:05 PM
In the Jussie Smollet remake of Blazing Saddles, Lili Von Shtupp will be very, very disappointed.

As will audiences.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Kingcreek on December 11, 2021, 02:57:13 PM
When the demand for hate crimes exceeds the supply…
You get juicy smollet.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Fly320s on December 11, 2021, 09:51:57 PM
In the Jussie Smollet remake of Blazing Saddles, Lili Von Shtupp will be very, very disappointed.

As will audiences.

The sheriff is a POC.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 12, 2021, 12:00:24 AM
The sheriff is a POC.

:lol:  What?!
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: bedlamite on December 12, 2021, 09:18:00 PM
(https://i.redd.it/xla71wqx44581.jpg)
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: WLJ on December 12, 2021, 09:20:27 PM
The sheriff is a POC.

Or near to it
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: bedlamite on December 12, 2021, 09:34:01 PM
https://youtu.be/sAELs42aZt4?t=31
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Ben on March 10, 2022, 08:06:28 PM
The judge's closing statement let's Smollett have it.

150 days in jail.

Also, there's another video halfway down the page where Smollett goes off on a "I am not suicidal" rant.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/03/10/i-am-not-suicidal-jussie-smollett-sentenced-to-150-days-in-jail-for-faking-a-hate-crime/
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 10, 2022, 09:29:44 PM
The judge's closing statement let's Smollett have it.

150 days in jail.

Also, there's another video halfway down the page where Smollett goes off on a "I am not suicidal" rant.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/03/10/i-am-not-suicidal-jussie-smollett-sentenced-to-150-days-in-jail-for-faking-a-hate-crime/
 

Yasssss drama queen!
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Fly320s on March 10, 2022, 09:32:15 PM
The judge's closing statement let's Smollett have it.

150 days in jail.

Also, there's another video halfway down the page where Smollett goes off on a "I am not suicidal" rant.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/03/10/i-am-not-suicidal-jussie-smollett-sentenced-to-150-days-in-jail-for-faking-a-hate-crime/

He'll be out in 30, because overcrowding, covid, or good behavior.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Jim147 on March 10, 2022, 09:36:40 PM
He'll be out in 30, because overcrowding, covid, or good behavior.

And once this blows over will be back acting in something. It's not like he's a rapist or pedo.... oh wait they let them act also. 
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Fly320s on March 10, 2022, 09:37:48 PM
He's a 5 time felon now.  That should put a dent in his acting career.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Bogie on March 10, 2022, 11:26:35 PM
If he was in STL, he'd already be out.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: sumpnz on March 11, 2022, 01:38:45 AM
He's a 5 time felon now.  That should put a dent in his acting career.

How?
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Kingcreek on March 11, 2022, 02:05:47 PM

Jussie’s true attacker is sentenced to jail.
Finally justice is swerved.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 11, 2022, 10:49:03 PM
"That fa__ot Empire ni__er" did not kill himself.

If Mel Gibson could come back from his troubles, then Smollett will be alright, career-wise. Plenty of  celebrities have gone through legal troubles, and other embarrassments, and come back. Hugh Grant, Michael Jackson, etc. His bid for attention looks like it backfired, but in the long run, he did get it.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: K Frame on March 12, 2022, 06:01:27 AM
Maybe I'm missing it, but I've not seen anyone saying that his sentence is evidence of the endemic racism in the system....
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2022, 03:29:28 PM
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In a statement issued Monday, the Cook County Sheriff’s Office said Linn ordered that Smollett be held in protective custody and the actor being housed in a part of the jail with “enhanced monitoring,” which is used for both individuals with mental health issues and those who require extra security. Smollett is not on suicide watch, and “it would be inaccurate and irresponsible to make any assumption about his mental or medical condition based on where he is currently housed.”

In a statement issued Friday, the sheriff’s office said while in protective custody, Smollett is alone in a cell monitored by security cameras and with a guard stationed at the cell door.

Jussie Smollett in ‘psych ward’ at jail, lawyers want him released on bond
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2022/3/14/22977400/jussie-smollett-lawyers-file-appeal-seeks-release-bond
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Ben on March 16, 2022, 08:20:51 PM
And he's out (for now).

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/03/16/jussie-smollett-to-be-released-on-bond-pending-appeal-of-his-150-day-prison-sentence/
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 17, 2022, 06:49:10 AM
And he's out (for now).

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/03/16/jussie-smollett-to-be-released-on-bond-pending-appeal-of-his-150-day-prison-sentence/

That didn't take long.

His attorneys think 150 days in county jail for a felony is an excessive sentence.

https://www.newser.com/story/318177/smollett-wins-his-release-pending-appeal.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_entertainment_img_b

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Smollett defense attorney Nenye Uche, ... also called Judge James Linn's sentence excessive for a low-level felony, adding that the appellate court doesn't “play politics.” “The real question is: Should Black men be walked into jail for a class 4 felony? Shame on you if you think they should,” Uche said.

Question, Mr. Uche: is the sentence excessive for everyone, or is it only excessive for a black man? Would you have proclaimed the sentence (which could have run into multiple years) excessive if the defendant was a white man?
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Ben on March 17, 2022, 08:33:30 AM
Question, Mr. Uche: is the sentence excessive for everyone, or is it only excessive for a black man? Would you have proclaimed the sentence (which could have run into multiple years) excessive if the defendant was a white man?

We know that none of the 06JAN protestors have, or will, get this kind of deal.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: dogmush on March 17, 2022, 08:50:20 AM
Does anyone know how common it is for rich folks to be on bond pending the outcome of an appeal?  Race aside, he is rich(ish).  And it's not like he was pardoned or anything, he was granted a bond until his appeal is decided.

Is this common?  Anyone know?  I feel like that's important information before I fire up the outrage factory.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: WLJ on March 17, 2022, 09:04:24 AM
We know that none of the 06JAN protestors have, or will, get this kind of deal.

Their mistake was not chanting "Black lives Matter" while milling around the capitol and not looting and setting fire to it.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Pb on March 17, 2022, 10:46:00 AM
And he's out (for now).

 ;/
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: sumpnz on March 17, 2022, 01:08:13 PM
Does anyone know how common it is for rich folks to be on bond pending the outcome of an appeal?  Race aside, he is rich(ish).  And it's not like he was pardoned or anything, he was granted a bond until his appeal is decided.

Is this common?  Anyone know?  I feel like that's important information before I fire up the outrage factory.

For appealing a conviction getting bond is not unheard of.  Simply appealing a sentence, particularly one so short already, I’ve never heard of anyone getting out on bond.  Unless the judge really thinks a shorter sentence is highly likely getting released on sentencing appeals has to be almost unheard of.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 17, 2022, 10:33:05 PM
I am deeply offend that the racist bastard that attacked poor Jussie is out of jail so soon,
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: WLJ on March 17, 2022, 11:53:10 PM
I am deeply offend that the racist bastard that attacked poor Jussie is out of jail so soon,

Jussie Smollett did hang himself
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2023, 01:30:35 PM
Jussie Smollett's accomplices spill the beans.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1635716965342773257

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2023/03/15/osundairo-brothers-recap-of-jussie-smollett-hoax-is-the-greatest-thing-ive-seen-in-a-long-time/
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 15, 2023, 02:04:29 PM
Jussie Smollett's accomplices spill the beans.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

"Then I gave him a noogie."

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: K Frame on March 15, 2023, 04:55:51 PM
Jussie filed an appeal of his conviction on March 1, but entertainment industry insiders are saying that he's dead meat for future acting jobs.

My guess is that will last about 2 years until someone wakes up and realizes what a poor, beset upon individual he was and that he acted out of desperation to protest the endemic racism in society... And like Michael Vick, he's now completely rehabilitated.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/jussie-smolletts-career-over-despite-appeal-he-burned-bridges-expert
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: RocketMan on March 15, 2023, 04:58:35 PM
Jussie filed an appeal of his conviction on March 1, but entertainment industry insiders are saying that he's dead meat for future acting jobs.

My guess is that will last about 2 years until someone wakes up and realizes what a poor, beset upon individual he was and that he acted out of desperation to protest the endemic racism in society... And like Michael Vick, he's now completely rehabilitated.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/jussie-smolletts-career-over-despite-appeal-he-burned-bridges-expert

Agreed.  His blacklisting (wait, did I just use that raysis word?) in Hollywood won't last long.  He'll be busy working again in a couple of years.  Word is he already has a gig on BET.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: WLJ on March 15, 2023, 05:00:44 PM
He'll run for office
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: dogmush on March 15, 2023, 07:51:51 PM
He'll run for office

Stacy Abrams needs a running mate.
Title: Re: Jussie Smollett indicted.
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 15, 2023, 10:15:04 PM
Stacy Abrams needs a running mate.

Never use "Stacy Abrams" and "mate" in the same sentence.
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