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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Brad Johnson on May 01, 2020, 05:02:09 PM
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"Assault Weapons" Ban enacted. Effective immediately. Two year amnesty while the buy back program is enacted.
https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/national/canada-bans-assault-style-weapons-after-mass-shooting/?fbclid=IwAR10MaK3exmWhAHRCBgMlmx0TymkVeMbBIF9NBuG6UL2u3Xnr0wlhr8clX4
He announced the ban of over 1,500 models and variants of assault-style firearms, including two guns used by the gunman as well as the AR-15 and other weapons that have been used in a number of mass shootings in the United States
Fifteen hundred models and variants? How the heck did they come up with that number?
Brad
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Fifteen hundred models and variants? How the heck did they come up with that number?
Brad
Like most liberal "facts" from where the sun don't shine. It not like the MSM is going to question it.
Edit: On a more serious note, they more than likely already had a list drawn up since Trudeau said he already had this in the works.
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And of course the article has a picture of an assault double barrel shotgun front and center which what looks like mostly sporting shotguns in the background.
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Still haven't heard what gun(s) he used but everything I've seem implied handgun(s).
Don't forget Trudeau stated that he was already planning on implementing an AWB before this latest shooting.
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"Assault Weapons" Ban enacted. Effective immediately. Two year amnesty while the buy back program is enacted.
https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/national/canada-bans-assault-style-weapons-after-mass-shooting/?fbclid=IwAR10MaK3exmWhAHRCBgMlmx0TymkVeMbBIF9NBuG6UL2u3Xnr0wlhr8clX4
Fifteen hundred models and variants? How the heck did they come up with that number?
Brad
By using absolutely every name a particular rifle or shotgun has been marketed under. For example, the VZ-58, which has been marketed in Canada under a large number of different names and slightly different variants. Likewise with AR15s - there´s probably a few hundred companies that manufacture those. So they list "All M4/AR15 type rifles, including but not limited to" and then every name they could drag up.
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How is Canada's government structured to allow Trudeau to unilaterally declare this?
Can a Canadian Prime Minister just make up random laws and enforce them without any Parliamentary process? Or has there been debate and a bill in Parliament? The article makes no mention of bills or signatures similar to typical the US process.
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Blair said two of the illegal long guns that Wortman used are now on the list of weapons banned.
So now they're extra-special illegal, I guess.
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Doubleplusillegal.
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Did Trudeau include matches and gasoline in the ban?
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How is Canada's government structured to allow Trudeau to unilaterally declare this?
Can a Canadian Prime Minister just make up random laws and enforce them without any Parliamentary process? Or has there been debate and a bill in Parliament? The article makes no mention of bills or signatures similar to typical the US process.
That was my first thought. Here in the US we have governors seizing extra-constitutional power, so I'm wondering how they do things and what limits are on politicians in Canuckistan.
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I wonder how well this will work out. IIRC, weapons like the M14 rifles, CZ58 rifles, various SIG 550 variants, the SKS and many many others are unrestricted. So they don´t know who owns them, because once you have your license, they could be bought freely in unlimited quantities. The AR-15 however is a Restricted weapon in Canada and thus they probably know where all the legal ones are.
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Sure is a good thing that criminals have never moved regulated things back and forth between the US and Canada in the past. Can you imagine the embarrassment if one of those countries banned something that people wanted and they just shipped it in and sold it illegally anyway? Man would the government's faces be red.
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Also:
I'm just going to drop this here......https://defcad.com/
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Sure is a good thing that criminals have never moved regulated things back and forth between the US and Canada in the past. Can you imagine the embarrassment if one of those countries banned something that people wanted and they just shipped it in and sold it illegally anyway? Man would the government's faces be red.
Yeah, but Elliot Ness... =D
https://youtu.be/COU-0Oe1nNY?t=118
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Also:
I'm just going to drop this here......https://defcad.com/
Sadly many of these are only really useful for Americans, who are just about the only ones who can buy a complete upper receiver or slide and barrel without any paperwork. In most/all of Europe, the pressure bearing parts are the ones that are regulated...I can still get M-16 lower receivers delivered to my mailbox, but everything in the upper receiver, including the receiver itself, are subject to licensing here.
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Sadly many of these are only really useful for Americans, who are just about the only ones who can buy a complete upper receiver or slide and barrel without any paperwork. In most/all of Europe, the pressure bearing parts are the ones that are regulated...I can still get M-16 lower receivers delivered to my mailbox, but everything in the upper receiver, including the receiver itself, are subject to licensing here.
At least some of those don't have firearms parts at all.
It is true that the homemade gun thing is more a hobby and making a point. I suspect it's cheaper and easier to buy a real, illegal gun in any major city in the world than make one, but the point still needs to be made that the idea that it's even possible to ban firearms is a fallacy.
Also as Americans continue to build, test, and publish new designs, there will be more and more that don't need regulated parts.
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At least some of those don't have firearms parts at all.
It is true that the homemade gun thing is more a hobby and making a point. I suspect it's cheaper and easier to buy a real, illegal gun in any major city in the world than make one, but the point still needs to be made that the idea that it's even possible to ban firearms is a fallacy.
Also as Americans continue to build, test, and publish new designs, there will be more and more that don't need regulated parts.
Very true, but the issue remains that most improvised firearms are either single shot, or they are bigger than the standard sized pocket pistol
/service pistol, thus not concealable. Exceptions obviously applies. As for the availability of illegal firearms, sadly one has to deal with actual criminals in order to get them if one wants them.
To go back to the original topic, how long until the next election in Canada? Any chance of a conservative government again?
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Colion Noir posted a list of banned firearms. Interesting in that the list also included .22 caliber copies of "assault weapons", like the Smith M&P 15-22. Another fun fact, it didn't just include semi-auto rifles. It included any firearm with a bore diameter deemed "too big" by the government, and also includes a "power" factor. If the gun is too powerful (I think it listed the number of joules at the muzzle) it is also banned.
Colion Noir also indicated that the shooter's weapons were all obtained illegally on the black market, so this law would have accomplished nothing.
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Colion Noir posted a list of banned firearms. Interesting in that the list also included .22 caliber copies of "assault weapons", like the Smith M&P 15-22. Another fun fact, it didn't just include semi-auto rifles. It included any firearm with a bore diameter deemed "too big" by the government, and also includes a "power" factor. If the gun is too powerful (I think it listed the number of joules at the muzzle) it is also banned.
That'll be interesting for all the folks in NWT and Yukon territories that routinely deal with griz, polar bears and moose.
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That'll be interesting for all the folks in NWT and Yukon territories that routinely deal with griz, polar bears and moose.
A moose once bit my sister
Sorry, couldn't help myself
And now for something completely different
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That'll be interesting for all the folks in NWT and Yukon territories that routinely deal with griz, polar bears and moose.
They should move to a city where it is safe and get their meat from a grocery store where no animals are harmed.
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A moose once bit my sister
Sorry, couldn't help myself
And now for something completely different
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By using absolutely every name a particular rifle or shotgun has been marketed under. For example, the VZ-58, which has been marketed in Canada under a large number of different names and slightly different variants. Likewise with AR15s - there´s probably a few hundred companies that manufacture those. So they list "All M4/AR15 type rifles, including but not limited to" and then every name they could drag up.
Even the very limited private run of "arfcom ar-15" lowers are mentioned by name. It seems to be a comprehensive list.
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Do the Canuks have any recourse? Or is it just lay back and think of England?
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Do the Canuks have any recourse? Or is it just lay back and think of England?
Non-compliance looks like their best option
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/01/22/canada-tried-registering-long-guns-and-gave-up/#64b3989e5a1b
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Colion Noir posted a list of banned firearms.
Scroll down the list and you'll find things like Javelin missiles, M-79 grenade launchers, and various mortars.
I didn't know they were readily available in Canuckistan.
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I wonder if their laws require them to be named, which would be why the list is so comprehensive; and which all it would take would be for the manufacturer to change the name and it's now not illegal.
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Scroll down the list and you'll find things like Javelin missiles, M-79 grenade launchers, and various mortars.
I didn't know they were readily available in Canuckistan.
IIRC 40mm launchers used to be unrestricted in Canada.
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IIRC 40mm launchers used to be unrestricted in Canada.
IMO, they shouldn't be restricted here. Restrict the explosives if you need to, but they are no more dangerous with practice rounds than a flare gun.
That said, getting registered destructive device is appealing to me. =D
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IIRC 40mm launchers used to be unrestricted in Canada.
That is correct.
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I wonder if their laws require them to be named, which would be why the list is so comprehensive; and which all it would take would be for the manufacturer to change the name and it's now not illegal.
I'd like to know that too. ???
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I wonder if their laws require them to be named, which would be why the list is so comprehensive; and which all it would take would be for the manufacturer to change the name and it's now not illegal.
Bet Jayne is glad they didn't name Vera . . .
(https://newscififangirl.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/vera.jpg)
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Apparently Star Wars blasters are also on the list:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/05/05/watch-canadian-police-with-weapons-drawn-cuff-girl-dressed-as-stormtrooper-for-star-wars-day-promotion/
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Apparently Star Wars blasters are also on the list:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/05/05/watch-canadian-police-with-weapons-drawn-cuff-girl-dressed-as-stormtrooper-for-star-wars-day-promotion/
Like the guy on that twitchy link siad "I'm teetering hard" regarding support of Law Enforcement. I know intillectually that a lot of them are good folks trying their best to do a hard job, but there's a TON of anecdotes like this that are starting to add up to actual data.
In a situation like this, I probably wouldn't do it, but I wouldn't be sad if someone doxxed the individual officers involved. They shouldn't get to hide behind their shields. THEY responded to the call, and THEY decided to respond to a storm trooper in that fashion. THEY need to own it.
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In a situation like this, I probably wouldn't do it, but I wouldn't be said if someone doxxed the individual officers involved. They shouldn't get to hide behind their shields. THEY responded to the call, and THEY decided to respond to a storm trooper in that fashion. THEY need to own it.
I'd be just as, or more inclined, to doxx the nanny that called that in to the cops.
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The two are not mutually exclusive.
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Well, their ban now includes assault coffee...
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/05/07/it-appears-justin-trudeau-may-have-accidentally-banned-the-black-rifle-coffee-company-from-canada/
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Well, their ban now includes assault coffee...
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/05/07/it-appears-justin-trudeau-may-have-accidentally-banned-the-black-rifle-coffee-company-from-canada/
Messing with people's coffee may be what is needed to push them over the edge and start a revolt
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbv5B71KmkA
As long as they don't run out of coffee.
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Update from Canada
The federal government is proposing $1,337 in compensation for turning in an AR-15 rifle under a mandatory buyback program.
Public Safety Canada has released a price list detailing how much money owners of banned firearms can expect to get under the program.
At the higher end of the scale, forfeiting a Swiss Arms SG550 could net an owner $6,209.
Ottawa will seek input from gun owners, businesses and industry on the proposed compensation amounts from now until Aug. 28.
The mandatory buyback program would cover the more than 1,500 models and variants of what the government considers assault-style firearms, banned two years ago.
Canadian AR-15 buyback looking to pay $1,337 per gun
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/07/28/canadian-ar-15-buyback-looking-to-pay-1337-per-gun-n60880
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Do they mention the M241 Pulse Rifle, like California did lo those many years ago?