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Title: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: K Frame on August 06, 2020, 11:53:23 AM
Just coming across the news wires...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/06/new-york-nra-lawsuit-ag-james-accuses-gun-group-execs-of-self-dealing.html
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: DittoHead on August 06, 2020, 12:04:57 PM
Well, I think they got this part right:
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The suit argues that the four executives, including CEO Wayne LaPierre, shouldn’t be permitted to ever again serve on the board of a New York charity.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: MechAg94 on August 06, 2020, 12:10:53 PM
Agreed.  From what I have heard previously, all the allegations are true. 

The question in my mind is what happens to any property or possessions owned by the NRA?  I assume someone will attempt to reform the group in another state (hopefully without the current leadership). 
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Ben on August 06, 2020, 12:19:31 PM
Well, I think they got this part right:

This, once again, shows that Wayne is in it for Wayne. If he cared a lick about the NRA above his salary and perks, he would have stood down over a year ago. Even if charges were overblown, or he was trying to still make himself look good, he could have done the, "I did nothing wrong, but to protect the NRA..." spiel and stepped down, even as a self-proclaimed victim.

That he basically did an "FU" is infuriating, because it was an "FU" to the NRA and its members much more than it was to this or any other DA or anti-NRA organization.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: French G. on August 06, 2020, 12:31:10 PM
Does standing come from the NRA being registered as a NY charity? How can they compel what happens to the organization everywhere else? If it gets Wayne canned I’ll allow it.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Brad Johnson on August 06, 2020, 03:52:25 PM
NRA files counter suit alleging defamation, unequal treatment, and Freedom of Speech violations.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/nra-lawsuit-ny-attorney-general-lawsuit

Based on how the NY Atty Gen expressed herself in the past with regard to the NRA, they have substantive evidence on their side. Much of it will depend on which court hears the case.

Brad
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Ben on August 06, 2020, 04:02:14 PM
NRA files counter suit alleging defamation, unequal treatment, and Freedom of Speech violations.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/nra-lawsuit-ny-attorney-general-lawsuit

Based on how the NY Atty Gen expressed herself herself in the past with regard to the NRA, they have substantive evidence on their side. Much of it will depend on which court hears the case.

Brad

Well, it's ridiculous that a state attorney thinks she can shut down the national NRA, especially given her supposed reasoning of, "The executives cheated the NRA members". Then go after the executives, not the organization at large that you claim was injured by the executives.

Still, Wayne and a few other higher ups get a good portion of the blame for this existing in the first place. They are the deep state of the NRA.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: French G. on August 06, 2020, 05:56:53 PM
Looks like early analysis is that all the gun voters will be riled up. Should have been for the last twenty years. I wonder if NY AG thinks this horrifies gun owners. Them vs. Wayne is like commies vs. nazis.  [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Jim147 on August 06, 2020, 06:58:16 PM
I got tired of the NRA when I was getting weekly emails that said they are going to take your guns if you don't send $25-$100 right now.

But yeah someone just stirred up a big part of the republican base. (Many not in the NRA just support 2A.) Hope she likes poking that hornet nest.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: MikeB on August 06, 2020, 07:11:39 PM
I don’t like the idea of an obviously biased AG going after any Civil Rights group. There does appear to be some mismanagement going on within the NRA, however the things she seems to be making accusations about are not exactly unique to the NRA. I don’t see her going after other so called charitable organizations that have outrageous benefits for the leaders. That should probably be dealt with by the members. I have no doubt that in this case this is a political hit job, not to protect the members of the NRA.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Ben on August 06, 2020, 07:15:36 PM
I don’t see her going after other so called charitable organizations that have outrageous benefits for the leaders.

Yup. Planned Parenthood comes to mind, and even the Red Cross wastes ridiculous amounts of contribution money on their executives. I try not to give to organizations that waste money in this manner. I'm a Benefactor member of the NRA, so have already contributed a good bit, but have not been giving the last couple of years as I wait for them to get things together.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Silver Bullet on August 06, 2020, 08:46:59 PM
This came up a while back, with the added wrinkle that she said she wanted to get the membership list.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Boomhauer on August 06, 2020, 09:14:15 PM
I got tired of the NRA when I was getting weekly emails that said they are going to take your guns if you don't send $25-$100 right now.

But yeah someone just stirred up a big part of the republican base. (Many not in the NRA just support 2A.) Hope she likes poking that hornet nest.

One of their telemarketers called me years ago and claimed that the UN was coming for our guns if we didn’t donate 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Jim147 on August 06, 2020, 09:43:11 PM
Yeah that one seems to happen every two to four years when a dem is in office.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: zxcvbob on August 06, 2020, 11:13:07 PM
The NY AG has determined that the NRA is the victim of fraud and embezzlement, so she wants to kill the NRA.  Isn't that kinda like stoning a woman to death because she was raped?  (who does that?  ;/ )  If the allegations are true (and I think they are), why not a criminal indictment of the perpetrators?  Because it's not about the fraud at all, it's just an excuse to punish the NRA for existing, and to earn political points.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: HankB on August 06, 2020, 11:44:40 PM
I hear some politicians in TX are inviting the NRA to move here, and I saw a clip of Trump saying that Texas would be a great place for the NRA.

As for Wayne . . . a $30,000 wardrobe shopping spree reimbursement for a guy that already makes over a million bucks a year salary?

Really?

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: gunsmith on August 06, 2020, 11:54:28 PM
I was sent a picture of Wayne's young attractive blonde "intern"
Her apt allegedly cost 3000 a month.

 I can appreciate wanting to mentor young women and being willing to help them out financially ....
However, with your own money, not mine, contributed to bribe politicians ... not....  young attractive blonde "interns"
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Fly320s on August 07, 2020, 06:32:21 AM
I hear some politicians in TX are inviting the NRA to move here, and I saw a clip of Trump saying that Texas would be a great place for the NRA.

I thought the NRA was HQ'ed in Virginia.  What do they have in NY that the NY AG can go after?
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: dogmush on August 07, 2020, 06:58:05 AM
I thought the NRA was HQ'ed in Virginia.  What do they have in NY that the NY AG can go after?

Their non profit charter was granted by NY.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: K Frame on August 07, 2020, 07:31:08 AM
I was sent a picture of Wayne's young attractive blonde "intern"
Her apt allegedly cost 3000 a month.

 I can appreciate wanting to mentor young women and being willing to help them out financially ....
However, with your own money, not mine, contributed to bribe politicians ... not....  young attractive blonde "interns"

Wouldn't be the first time that an NRA EVP stuck the association with the bills for a concubine. Ray Arnett was ousted from NRA in 1986 for having his doxy on the NRA payroll and giving her a huge salary increase without authorization.

J. Warren Cassidy was ousted from his EVP position in the 1990s for, in part, creeping on Marsha Beasley. They allegedly settled with her before her lawsuit went to trial when they got word of just how much dirt she had on Cassidy's extra curricular activities with staff members. Then there was the whole membership computer system fiasco that cost the association untold millions of wasted dollars.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 07, 2020, 02:04:29 PM
This came up a while back, with the added wrinkle that she said she wanted to get the membership list.

... and suddenly it all becomes clear ...
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: WLJ on August 07, 2020, 05:27:56 PM
This came up a while back, with the added wrinkle that she said she wanted to get the membership list.
... and suddenly it all becomes clear ...


What? They just want to add them to the democrat voter rolls
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Ben on August 07, 2020, 05:49:02 PM
... and suddenly it all becomes clear ...


Within the bounds of this suit, is there a legal justification to force the NRA to hand those over? Given how they might be used, I put them in the same bucket as CCW holder data - something I don't want easily available.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: WLJ on August 07, 2020, 06:40:09 PM
Something brewing in DC too

AG Racine Sues NRA Foundation for Diverting Charitable Funds to Support Wasteful Spending by NRA and Its Executives
https://oag.dc.gov/release/ag-racine-sues-nra-foundation-diverting-charitable

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WASHINGTON, D.C. – Attorney General Karl A. Racine today filed a lawsuit against the NRA Foundation and the National Rifle Association (NRA) for misusing charitable funds to support wasteful spending by the NRA and its executives. In its lawsuit, the Office of the Attorney General (OAG) alleges that the NRA Foundation violated District laws by allowing charitable funds to be used for noncharitable purposes, failing to operate independently, and placing the NRA’s interests ahead of its own charitable purposes. OAG also alleges that the Foundation’s Board of Directors was controlled by the NRA and allowed the NRA to exploit it through risky multi-million-dollar loans—including a $5 million loan that the NRA has never repaid. Additionally, the Foundation agreed to pay the NRA millions of dollars in fees without documentation of the work the NRA was performing or how it supported the Foundation’s charitable purposes. With this lawsuit, OAG is seeking to return the charitable funds improperly wasted on the NRA to the Foundation and a court order imposing changes to the Foundation to ensure it is operated independently and fulfills its charitable purposes.

“Charitable organizations function as public trusts—and District law requires them to use their funds to benefit the public, not to support political campaigns, lobbying, or private interests,” said AG Racine. “With this lawsuit, we aim to recover donated funds that the NRA Foundation wasted. District nonprofits should be on notice that the Office of the Attorney General will file suit if we find evidence of illegal behavior.” 
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 07, 2020, 07:24:23 PM
I don’t see her going after other so called charitable organizations that have outrageous benefits for the leaders. That should probably be dealt with by the members. I have no doubt that in this case this is a political hit job, not to protect the members of the NRA.

In case you missed it, a few years ago Wayne and his lackeys revised the by-laws, making it virtually impossible for the membership to have any control over their own organization.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 07, 2020, 07:38:06 PM
In case you missed it, a few years ago Wayne and his lackeys revised the by-laws, making it virtually impossible for the membership to have any control over their own organization.

On the other hand, the membership could have staged a mass revolt, and canceled our memberships until LaPierre, et al, resigned. We did not do that.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: MechAg94 on August 07, 2020, 11:22:19 PM
In case you missed it, a few years ago Wayne and his lackeys revised the by-laws, making it virtually impossible for the membership to have any control over their own organization.
Yeah, I think they claimed "liberals" would try to join and elect gun grabbing board members so they had to make it difficult to kick out the leadership.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: WLJ on August 07, 2020, 11:32:59 PM
On the other hand, the membership could have staged a mass revolt, and canceled our memberships until LaPierre, et al, resigned. We did not do that.

Probably a safe bet to say 90% of the membership have zero idea of what's going on
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 08, 2020, 01:27:41 AM
Probably a safe bet to say 90% of the membership have zero idea of what's going on

Because those of us who did know failed to spread the word. Not that we didn't talk about it. I'm sure plenty of people did their part. But no major effort at "community organization" took place.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: MechAg94 on August 08, 2020, 08:53:44 AM
Probably a safe bet to say 90% of the membership have zero idea of what's going on
I have been an NRA member for probably 20 years.  I only actually voted in the last few years. 
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: T.O.M. on August 08, 2020, 11:18:24 AM
When I was campaigning,  people often asked about my NRA membership.  Early on, I would mention G.O.A. and the problems with the leadership in the N.R.A., especially LaPierre.  I found that way too many people took my comments as an attack of 2A, and not an attack on corruption in the organization.  They either didn't know, or didn't care.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: fifth_column on August 10, 2020, 10:30:38 AM
On the other hand, the membership could have staged a mass revolt, and canceled our memberships until LaPierre, et al, resigned. We did not do that.

Scare tactics work in many areas.  The NRA uses them liberally . . . .
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Pb on August 10, 2020, 02:27:16 PM
On the other hand, the membership could have staged a mass revolt, and canceled our memberships until LaPierre, et al, resigned. We did not do that.

The NRA has lost a lot of members already.

Wayne still hasn't quit.

There is no reason to think he ever will no matter how much he damages the organization.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: kgbsquirrel on August 10, 2020, 05:47:03 PM
The NRA has lost a lot of members already.

Wayne still hasn't quit.

There is no reason to think he ever will no matter how much he damages the organization.


I think Wayne has no choice but to ride the NRA all the way to lithobraking;  if he steps down all the dirty laundry he has built up will be available for his replacement to air out and he can't let that happen.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: zxcvbob on August 10, 2020, 06:01:57 PM

I think Wayne has no choice but to ride the NRA all the way to lithobraking;  if he steps down all the dirty laundry he has built up will be available for his replacement to air out and he can't let that happen.

He could do the honorable thing and kill himself...
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Jim147 on August 10, 2020, 08:09:48 PM
He could just claim to have dirt on Hillary.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Andiron on August 10, 2020, 09:17:54 PM
He could do the honorable thing and kill himself...

This.

I still have a snarky response from some NRA drone after I asked to not get anymore begging for money emails.  They don't like it when you  refuse to donate another penny so long as Wayne is there.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: kgbsquirrel on August 10, 2020, 11:44:52 PM
He could do the honorable thing and kill himself...

If he was capable of the honorable thing he wouldn't be an embezzling shyster.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: WLJ on August 10, 2020, 11:51:41 PM
They don't like it when you  refuse to donate another penny so long as Wayne is there.

That's my usual response
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Pb on August 12, 2020, 09:43:05 AM
Scare tactics work in many areas.  The NRA uses them liberally . . . .

Sadly enough, scare tactics aren't necessarily inaccurate... look at what the democrats have done to gun ownership in some states, and what they want to do nationwide.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: TommyGunn on August 12, 2020, 11:21:05 AM
It was scare tactics yesterday.
It's happening now.
At some point it will be history.  =(
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: WLJ on August 12, 2020, 12:05:01 PM
Unfortunately I fear Wayne and his minions are so intertwined into the fabric of the NRA by now that the only way to get rid of them would be to burn the whole thing down.  Sorry, I'm rather pessimistic about the future of the NRA at this point, may have to start fresh with another organization. The NRA is really nothing but Wayne's personal blow up doll at this point.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Ben on August 12, 2020, 12:19:22 PM
Unfortunately I fear Wayne and his minions are so intertwined into the fabric of the NRA by now that the only way to get rid of them would be to burn the whole thing down.  Sorry, I'm rather pessimistic about the future of the NRA at this point, may have to start fresh with another organization. The NRA is really nothing but Wayne's personal blow up doll at this point.

Yeah, money that I've given the NRA in the past has now gone to the Idaho 2nd Amendment Alliance. They're kinda bulls in a china shop, similar to GOA, but they have done some good stuff on the state level, so I prefer my dough go there for the time being. The NRA, not counting the current kerfuffle, is still important though. We really need the DC presence that knows its way around the political sphere there. I just wish they would get their act together.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: WLJ on August 12, 2020, 01:04:09 PM
In NRA related news
Wonder how much NRA money went into this

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A federal appeals court Tuesday rejected arguments by prominent National Rifle Association lobbyist Marion Hammer in a lawsuit centered on graphic emails she received from a California attorney after the 2018 mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Broward County.

Marion Hammer Loses Suit Against Attorney Who Sent Graphic Gunshot Photos
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/marion-hammer-loses-suit-against-attorney-who-sent-graphic-gunshot-photos/
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: kgbsquirrel on August 12, 2020, 05:45:10 PM
Unfortunately I fear Wayne and his minions are so intertwined into the fabric of the NRA by now that the only way to get rid of them would be to burn the whole thing down.  Sorry, I'm rather pessimistic about the future of the NRA at this point, may have to start fresh with another organization. The NRA is really nothing but Wayne's personal blow up doll at this point.

Facts.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: DustinD on August 14, 2020, 02:15:09 PM
Idaho 2nd Amendment Alliance is part of the Dorr family of groups. I've heard good things about a few of their offshoots, but most are scummy from top to bottom and just swindle people out of their money. They fought against the pro gun bills in Iowa until they passed and then took credit for it. They tried to derail the suppressor legalization in MN and have been fighting against the 2nd amendment sanctuary movement in several counties. In MN they slander everyone and only attack pro gun reps and a few of the untouchable anti gun dems.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: gunsmith on August 22, 2020, 01:43:43 PM
Probably a safe bet to say 90% of the membership have zero idea of what's going on

I'm a life member and gave up years ago trying to figure it all out, being life means i have a vote and the magazine gets sent somewhere i can't even recall.
 I hope someone enjoys them.
  I have not contributed cash for a few yrs while trying to get out of the financial mess I made for myself, with a lot of help from
obama the shovel ready job guy
I had been planning on taking part when I am better situated, at this late stage in the game I don't know if that will happen.
both with the NRA and myself, currently my thinking is i will contribute to calguns/s.a.f/ and what ever team Alan Gura and Oleg Volk is working for.

Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on August 22, 2020, 03:14:12 PM
My membership is current, but I always considered that as support for their non political activities. I never give money too their political entity. For that I have membership with the VDCL and GOA.

So basically, this is an attack on the actual *expletive deleted*it I support the NRA for (youth groups, training, competitive events, gun safety education)
I wish it was a legit attack in Wayne, then I'd say go for it, but since I know it's not, screw NY.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: MechAg94 on August 22, 2020, 06:30:34 PM
This.

I still have a snarky response from some NRA drone after I asked to not get anymore begging for money emails.  They don't like it when you  refuse to donate another penny so long as Wayne is there.

I heard a while back that the company who does the phone calls paid the NRA a fixed amount for the year and then keeps all or most of the money they collect.  Could be wrong, but it was what I heard.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Andiron on August 22, 2020, 11:28:46 PM
I heard a while back that the company who does the phone calls paid the NRA a fixed amount for the year and then keeps all or most of the money they collect.  Could be wrong, but it was what I heard.

That just makes it even worse.

It's a bad time for this to happen,  but I almost think the NRA as an entity could benefit from being burned down and rebuilt, the more I hear about it's internal dealings.  The member base isn't going anywhere, hell, maybe this IS the year to torch it.  Right now, before the election.  Should rile up the Fudds and normies.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 23, 2020, 12:24:28 AM
I heard a while back that the company who does the phone calls paid the NRA a fixed amount for the year and then keeps all or most of the money they collect.  Could be wrong, but it was what I heard.

I don't know if this holds true for whatever company does the telephone fundraising for the NRA, but I do know that a number of years ago my state enacted a law requiring professional fundraisers to (a) submit their script to the state for approval beforehand, (b) stick to the script, and (c) tell people what percentage of their donations actually go to the organization they purport to be raining funds for. Unfortunately, our courts ruled that (c) is an unconstitutional infringement on something or other, so that part was tossed out. As for (a) and (b), I guess most of them do (a), but I don't think any of them do (b).

What came out of the discussions over our ill-fated law, though, was that most of these professional fundraisers work for police groups. And the fundraisers keep something like 80 to 90 percent of what they bring in. And the cops are happy with that, because 10 or 20 percent is better than nothing. I am of the opinion that the cops would do better just putting out a mass mailer, and asking people to donate directly to the department (or the police athletic fund, or policemen's benevolent association, or whatever). I won't talk to the professional fundraisers. If I happen to answer when they call (which only happens if I'm expecting a call from someone I want to talk to), I hang up. I've given up even trying to be polite.

I get a laugh out of the calls from the NRA. First, they always say "We," to make you believe that you're talking to an actual NRA employee. And they always refer to 'Wayne" by his first name, in words and tone designed to make you think that you're talking to one of Wayne's oldest and dearest friends.

As someone has already commented - they don't like it when you tell them that Wayne isn't the solution, Wayne is the problem, and that I won't contribute a nickel unless he's gone.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: MechAg94 on August 23, 2020, 11:10:48 AM
The state Sheriff's Association used to send me letters and phone calls.  They would always want you to commit to giving a certain amount and then they would make you stay on the line and have someone else verify you wanted to give it.  So first they try to guilt you into supporting some group then they drag you through a verification process.  Then you are on their junk mail list for eternity. 
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: lee n. field on August 23, 2020, 11:21:49 AM
I don't know if this holds true for whatever company does the telephone fundraising for the NRA, but I do know that a number of years ago my state enacted a law requiring professional fundraisers to (a) submit their script to the state for approval beforehand, (b) stick to the script, and (c) tell people what percentage of their donations actually go to the organization they purport to be raining funds for. Unfortunately, our courts ruled that (c) is an unconstitutional infringement on something or other, so that part was tossed out. As for (a) and (b), I guess most of them do (a), but I don't think any of them do (b).

What came out of the discussions over our ill-fated law, though, was that most of these professional fundraisers work for police groups. And the fundraisers keep something like 80 to 90 percent of what they bring in. And the cops are happy with that, because 10 or 20 percent is better than nothing.
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I've heard that that's also true of at least some anti-abortion group phone fundraisers.

Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Pb on August 25, 2020, 09:12:40 PM
  The member base isn't going anywhere, hell, maybe this IS the year to torch it.  Right now, before the election.  Should rile up the Fudds and normies.

Destroying the only gun organization that has any pull in congress just before a rabid anti-gun pol becomes President?

That doesn't sound helpful... at all.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Andiron on August 25, 2020, 10:17:18 PM
Destroying the only gun organization that has any pull in congress just before a rabid anti-gun pol becomes President?

That doesn't sound helpful... at all.

They do jack *expletive deleted*it now,  are you really saying the useful idiots that keep sending them money year after year wouldn't suddenly notice if the organization was threatened (for real, not the gay money grab emails they send out weekly) with destruction?  ( I say this as a life member that would otherwise donate if Wayne wasn't in charge)

The NRA membership is complacent and doesn't really care anyway.  Existential threat (or however they spin it) will only be good.  Which is more than they're doing now.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 03, 2020, 10:35:03 AM
Additional insight in to the NRA dumpster fire.

https://dnyuz.com/2020/09/03/in-act-of-heresy-n-r-a-s-former-no-2-calls-for-gun-control/ (https://dnyuz.com/2020/09/03/in-act-of-heresy-n-r-a-s-former-no-2-calls-for-gun-control/)
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 03, 2020, 11:22:57 AM
Additional insight in to the NRA dumpster fire.

https://dnyuz.com/2020/09/03/in-act-of-heresy-n-r-a-s-former-no-2-calls-for-gun-control/ (https://dnyuz.com/2020/09/03/in-act-of-heresy-n-r-a-s-former-no-2-calls-for-gun-control/)

From the article:

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After the 2012 Sandy Hook massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., the N.R.A. rebuffed new gun control measures and instead promoted a “School Shield” program in which it would help review and recommend school safety countermeasures like arming security guards. Mr. Powell writes that he worked to boost the program after discovering it was little more than empty rhetoric — in the four years after Sandy Hook, the N.R.A. assessed the safety of only three schools.

School Shield was, IMHO, either a sham, a disaster, or another scheme to benefit only NRA insiders -- just like their Carry Guard insurance and training program.

School Shield sounded like a great program when I read about it. As an architect who has designed schools and who tries to keep current on school safety and security technology, I thought I could be an asset to a School Shield assessment team. And I'm an NRA life member and certified instructor. So I contacted the NRA to inquire how I could sign on as a School Shield inspector.

Answer: I can't. They only allow law enforcement officers to act as School Shield inspectors.

That, IMHO, is simply idiotic. Why exclude from the program the people who know the most about school design, and who are in the best position to influence the design of future schools? I think a program such as School Shield is a natural for a collaboration between law enforcement and the design community, but the NRA in its infinite wisdom didn't see it that way. Consequently, I wouldn't put any credence in a report produced by a School Shield team -- it will (by design) be a unilateral view, which is generally not a good approach to any issue.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Pb on September 04, 2020, 01:27:09 PM
Additional insight in to the NRA dumpster fire.

https://dnyuz.com/2020/09/03/in-act-of-heresy-n-r-a-s-former-no-2-calls-for-gun-control/ (https://dnyuz.com/2020/09/03/in-act-of-heresy-n-r-a-s-former-no-2-calls-for-gun-control/)

Joshua L. Powell is a loathsome person.  The NRA had to pay off several sexual harassment lawsuits because of him, the staff hated him, and he was directly responsible for the carry guard debacle that cost the NRA tens of millions of dollars.  He was a big part of the NRA dumpster fire.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: WLJ on October 06, 2020, 05:04:29 PM
Enter the IRS

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James’ suit alleges that LaPierre took millions of dollars in unreported income from the NRA and its vendors. From the WSJ report (paywall):

    Asked at a news conference announcing the lawsuit whether she believed Mr. LaPierre had evaded personal taxes, Ms. James declined to comment but said she was referring the matter to the IRS.

    The AG lawsuit claimed the NRA’s failure to include certain personal benefits in Mr. LaPierre’s W-2 annual-compensation forms “permitted him to file false personal tax returns with the IRS.”

    P. Kent Correll, an attorney for Mr. LaPierre, said, “We’re not aware of any inquiry, so it would be premature for us to comment.”

WSJ: IRS Opens a Criminal Investigation of Wayne LaPierre
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wsj-irs-opens-a-criminal-investigation-of-wayne-lapierre/
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Andiron on October 06, 2020, 09:12:27 PM
Enter the IRS

WSJ: IRS Opens a Criminal Investigation of Wayne LaPierre
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wsj-irs-opens-a-criminal-investigation-of-wayne-lapierre/

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 07, 2020, 12:54:34 AM
Here's another article that spells out the basics: https://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/the-tragic-mess-that-is-todays-nra/384636
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Pb on October 07, 2020, 09:35:32 AM
They do jack *expletive deleted*it now,  are you really saying the useful idiots that keep sending them money year after year wouldn't suddenly notice if the organization was threatened (for real, not the gay money grab emails they send out weekly) with destruction?  ( I say this as a life member that would otherwise donate if Wayne wasn't in charge)

The NRA membership is complacent and doesn't really care anyway.  Existential threat (or however they spin it) will only be good.  Which is more than they're doing now.

The NRA spent millions of dollars to get Trump elected.

That got us one, probably two Supreme Court picks that may start invalidating some gun laws.

If Hillary had won, Heller versus DC would have been overturned, just like Ginsberg predicted.

That is something the NRA, as screwed up as it is, has done.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: MechAg94 on October 07, 2020, 03:08:48 PM
The NRA spent millions of dollars to get Trump elected.

That got us one, probably two Supreme Court picks that may start invalidating some gun laws.

If Hillary had won, Heller versus DC would have been overturned, just like Ginsberg predicted.

That is something the NRA, as screwed up as it is, has done.
That was good, but I wish they would have redirected a lot of other money to helping get pro-Congressmen elected.  They might have been able to push more pro-gun legislation in the first two years of Trump's Presidency. 
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: kgbsquirrel on October 07, 2020, 09:48:50 PM
The NRA spent millions of dollars to get Trump elected.

That got us one, probably two Supreme Court picks that may start invalidating some gun laws.

If Hillary had won, Heller versus DC would have been overturned, just like Ginsberg predicted.

That is something the NRA, as screwed up as it is, has done.

Citation needed.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Pb on October 08, 2020, 09:54:38 AM
Citation needed.

Thirty million dollars.

https://fortune.com/2019/08/21/how-much-did-nra-contribute-trump-campaign/
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: WLJ on August 17, 2021, 01:50:48 PM
She's piling more on

Hard to argue against this part

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Efforts to question or challenge LaPierre’s leadership are quashed or ignored. For example, LaPierre retaliated against the NRA President after personally lobbying him to take on the position. LaPierre withdrew his critical support after the President began to independently assess the governance of the NRA upon learning of complaints by whistleblowers, senior staff and donors.

New York Attorney General Updates Her Complaint Against NRA With New Allegations of Mismanagement, Lack of Board Oversight
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/new-york-attorney-general-updates-her-complaint-against-nra-with-new-allegations-of-mismanagement-lack-of-board-oversight/
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: French G. on August 17, 2021, 03:24:55 PM
Good. Watch their sad face when they realize that gun rights really is grassroots and slaying the nra got them nothing but we all lol at the fall of Wayne Inc.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 17, 2021, 03:27:40 PM
She's piling more on

Hard to argue against this part

New York Attorney General Updates Her Complaint Against NRA With New Allegations of Mismanagement, Lack of Board Oversight
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/new-york-attorney-general-updates-her-complaint-against-nra-with-new-allegations-of-mismanagement-lack-of-board-oversight/

Nothing really new here, other than the revision of the NY AG's case to include what we already knew.

And, despite an avalanche of confirming and verifiable evidence, there are still NRA members who show up on places like The Firing Line and accuse anyone who wants LaPierre gone and the NRA fixed to be "out to destroy the Second Amendment."
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: kgbsquirrel on August 17, 2021, 03:37:45 PM
Good. Watch their sad face when they realize that gun rights really is grassroots and slaying the nra got them nothing but we all lol at the fall of Wayne Inc.

Killing the NRA is a good thing.  All the resources those grifters have been sucking out of the honest members will now be available for other, better, organizations.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Ben on August 17, 2021, 03:39:43 PM
And, despite an avalanche of confirming and verifiable evidence, there are still NRA members who show up on places like The Firing Line and accuse anyone who wants LaPierre gone and the NRA fixed to be "out to destroy the Second Amendment."

Probably the same NRA proponents like the old guy I hunt with, who is a life member, but thinks ARs should be banned. I'm thinking that the NRA has an overly large segment of members who think the 2nd is about hunting rights and target shooting.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: MechAg94 on August 17, 2021, 04:12:38 PM
Probably the same NRA proponents like the old guy I hunt with, who is a life member, but thinks ARs should be banned. I'm thinking that the NRA has an overly large segment of members who think the 2nd is about hunting rights and target shooting.
Which is odd as the NRA annual meeting exhibit floor is full of tactical stuff along with the product lines of all the gun companies. 
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: sumpnz on May 10, 2022, 02:36:00 AM
LTC West challenging LaPierre for role in the NRA.  This might just be the defibrillator jolt that restarts the pulse.  Or not.

https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/05/09/west-to-challenge-lapierre-for-nras-top-leadership-position-n58094?fbclid=IwAR3tv5bBTDcHFH7MRlexP2LerSNo5Eeb2aKspQAemmezFXW-bsZplasebmY
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Andiron on May 26, 2022, 08:33:32 PM
Hmm
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: WLJ on May 26, 2022, 08:39:42 PM
At this point pretty much
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: RocketMan on May 30, 2022, 05:09:59 PM
LTC West challenging LaPierre for role in the NRA.  This might just be the defibrillator jolt that restarts the pulse.  Or not.

https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/05/09/west-to-challenge-lapierre-for-nras-top-leadership-position-n58094?fbclid=IwAR3tv5bBTDcHFH7MRlexP2LerSNo5Eeb2aKspQAemmezFXW-bsZplasebmY

Ole' Wayne has been re-elected CEO of the NRA.  Only one vote for Allen West.  The BoD isn't about to interrupt the gravy train.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nra-board-re-elects-wayne-lapierre-ceo (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nra-board-re-elects-wayne-lapierre-ceo)
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Ben on May 30, 2022, 05:23:38 PM
Ole' Wayne has been re-elected CEO of the NRA.  Only one vote for Allen West.  The BoD isn't about to interrupt the gravy train.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nra-board-re-elects-wayne-lapierre-ceo (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nra-board-re-elects-wayne-lapierre-ceo)

Unbelievable.

Well, I guess it's believable, but kinda sad to see so many who blindly keep the status quo, even after all the evidence of the last few years.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: WLJ on May 30, 2022, 05:28:37 PM
Meanwhile at NRA HQ

(https://media1.giphy.com/media/QMHoU66sBXqqLqYvGO/200.gif)
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 30, 2022, 06:28:50 PM
Unbelievable.

Well, I guess it's believable, but kinda sad to see so many who blindly keep the status quo, even after all the evidence of the last few years.

What makes you think it's "blindly"?
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Ben on May 30, 2022, 06:41:30 PM
What makes you think it's "blindly"?

I'm sure everyone on the executive floor of NRA HQ is behind him. I meant the run of the mill gun owner you run into at the gun range who won't hear of you dissing Wayne. Most of them seem to think that all the malfeasance is made up.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: MechAg94 on May 30, 2022, 07:24:58 PM
I feel better about not having to add any more years to my current membership to get in the exhibit floor Friday.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: kgbsquirrel on May 30, 2022, 07:57:04 PM
Ole' Wayne has been re-elected CEO of the NRA.  Only one vote for Allen West.  The BoD isn't about to interrupt the gravy train.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nra-board-re-elects-wayne-lapierre-ceo (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nra-board-re-elects-wayne-lapierre-ceo)

Let them burn.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Pb on May 31, 2022, 10:09:59 AM
I quit rejoining after the last time they overwhelming re-elected Wayne.  They have no interest in ever reforming.

They will not reform no matter who I "vote" for for the board.

I will rejoining if Wayne leaves and the board of directors is replaced with one that isn't crooked and/or incompetent.

It is sad.
 =(
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: WLJ on May 31, 2022, 10:17:10 AM
Ole' Wayne has been re-elected CEO of the NRA.  Only one vote for Allen West.  The BoD isn't about to interrupt the gravy train.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nra-board-re-elects-wayne-lapierre-ceo (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nra-board-re-elects-wayne-lapierre-ceo)

WLaP is probably jealous of Stalin being able to make that one person and his whole family disappear
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: WLJ on January 04, 2024, 01:21:22 PM
I had almost forgotten about this

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The public face of the National Rifle Association’s leadership, Wayne LaPierre, goes on trial Monday in Manhattan. New York’s hyper-political Attorney General Latitia James seeks to remove LaPierre and others, alleging that they violated state and federal laws with their “diversion” of funds for questionable purposes like travel, clothing and more.

Wayne LaPierre’s NY Corruption Trial Starts Monday, Jan. 8
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wayne-lapierres-ny-corruption-trial-starts-monday-jan-8/
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Ben on January 04, 2024, 01:40:27 PM
I had almost forgotten about this

Wayne LaPierre’s NY Corruption Trial Starts Monday, Jan. 8
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wayne-lapierres-ny-corruption-trial-starts-monday-jan-8/

Interestingly, for the past half year to year, I have been getting the "send money" emails from a name other than Wayne. I had thought they were doing that because nobody wants to give Wayne money anymore. In the past few weeks though, they have gone back to being from Wayne. I wonder if they're trying to get member support for him?
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 04, 2024, 02:01:43 PM
Interestingly, for the past half year to year, I have been getting the "send money" emails from a name other than Wayne. I had thought they were doing that because nobody wants to give Wayne money anymore. In the past few weeks though, they have gone back to being from Wayne. I wonder if they're trying to get member support for him?

Wayne might have had a temporary injunction against him ordering him to stop shilling for donations.  Naturally that doesn't stop the grift so cue up a cardboard cutout spokesman.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: WLJ on January 05, 2024, 02:35:05 PM
He's claiming for health reasons

 NRA Head Wayne LaPierre Resigns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQWVnN6bf1g

Wayne LaPierre announces resignation as NRA chief
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wayne-lapierre-announces-resignation-nra-chief
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: sumpnz on January 05, 2024, 03:15:54 PM
He's claiming for health reasons

 NRA Head Wayne LaPierre Resigns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQWVnN6bf1g

Wayne LaPierre announces resignation as NRA chief
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wayne-lapierre-announces-resignation-nra-chief

Plausible but suspicious.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 05, 2024, 03:42:04 PM
How wise of him to wait until after he'd discredited and sullied the organization, instead of getting out years ago.

I'd like to think that a 150-year-old organization with so much to be proud of could reform itself, and once again become the 800-pound gorilla of days past.
Title: Re: Oh boy, this is going to be interesting... NY AG seeks to dissolve NRA
Post by: Brad Johnson on January 05, 2024, 04:13:29 PM
I'd like to think that a 150-year-old organization with so much to be proud of could reform itself, and once again become the 800-pound gorilla of days past.

Today was one large step in the right direction.

Brad