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Title: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: zahc on November 04, 2020, 06:27:11 PM
Here, we list observations or theories of voter fraud or election rigging. Then we can discuss if they are real, if there is any likely action possible, or we can just revel in the fail of it all. List the incident, verification status, importance to the election, and possible recours. Let me start:

Ballot curing in Georgia. Status: definitely a thing. See the link. Importance if true: unsure.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/04/team-joe-needs-people-to-go-door-to-door-in-georgia-to-help-voters-fix-their-mail-in-ballots-so-they-count/


Arizona finds 100,000 more ballots than voters. Status: rumor. Importance if true: extremely important.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Jim147 on November 04, 2020, 06:36:55 PM
Normal turnout is in the 60% range. I know this is a banner year so 80's ok. Some p,aces are 90-100+%. That is not alright.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on November 04, 2020, 06:41:03 PM
Steve Cortes lays out why Trump will win Arizona.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CortesSteve/status/1324128709092192258

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 04, 2020, 06:41:39 PM
Already posted in the other election thread:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/04/yes-democrats-are-trying-to-steal-the-election-in-michigan-wisconsin-and-pennsylvania/

Quote
Then, something strange happened in the dead of the night. In both Michigan and Wisconsin, vote dumps early Wednesday morning showed 100 percent of the votes going for Biden and zero percent—that’s zero, so not even one vote—for Trump.

In Michigan, Biden somehow got 138,339 votes and Trump got none, zero, in an overnight vote-dump.

...

In Pennsylvania, the Democratic scheme to steal the election is a bit different. Rather than vote dumps that impossibly go 100 percent to Biden, Pennsylvania is relying on the Democratic Secretary of State’s plan to count indisputably late mail-in ballots as though they were received on Election Day—even if they have no postmark.

(ETA: Ron beat me to it)

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MillCreek on November 04, 2020, 07:33:04 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/claim-that-sharpie-pens-ruin-arizona-ballots-misses-the-mark/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1604531758

From the Associated Press.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 04, 2020, 09:06:38 PM
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/04/fivethirtyeight-says-a-batch-of-23277-votes-in-philadelphia-has-been-reported-all-for-joe-biden/

Quote
Two more batches of Pennsylvania vote were reported:
-23,277 votes in Philadelphia, all for Biden
-about 5,300 votes in Luzerne County, nearly 4,000 of which were for Biden
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 04, 2020, 10:08:08 PM
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/11/04/usps-whistleblower-in-michigan-claims-higher-ups-were-engaging-in-voter-fraud-n2579501
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on November 05, 2020, 04:18:22 AM
https://mkecitywire.com/stories/564495243-analysis-seven-milwaukee-wards-report-more-2020-presidential-votes-than-registered-voters-biden-nets-146k-votes-in-city

Milwaukee records turnout never seen anywhere else in the country.

Nearly 90% and higher turnout throughout the majority of precincts. Some with over 100% turnout.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: cordex on November 05, 2020, 04:32:24 AM
Nearly 90% and higher turnout throughout the majority of precincts. Some with over 100% turnout.
Of course, as the article points out, WI does allow same-day registration.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: cordex on November 05, 2020, 04:38:18 AM
No idea the source or validity of this, but I saw it on another forum.
(https://i.imgur.com/uFEc578.png)
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: dogmush on November 05, 2020, 04:53:44 AM
No idea the source or validity of this, but I saw it on another forum.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/uFEc578.png[img]

This is where, if Republicans want to have any credibility at all, they need to be sure of what they post and promulgate on social media.  It's not hard to fact check most of this stuff, and spreading memes and incorrect data makes the more mainstream Republicans look like tin-foil hat conspiracy theorists, and will cause a lot of folks to dismiss all fraud claims out of hand.  The Glenn Beck effect, if you will.

PA has their counting progress online in a live dashboard here: https://www.votespa.com/About-Elections/Pages/Counting-Dashboard.aspx

As of 0751 EST 5 Nov Lancaster county PA is reporting 107,946 Mail-in and absentee ballots issues, 91,076 of those were cast, 78.61% or 71,596 of the cast ballots have been counted and 19,480 remain to be counted.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: grampster on November 05, 2020, 05:06:45 AM
Wife this am saw a blurb on one of the channels that showed a precinct in Detroit.  She said it was chaos;  papers lying all over the place and people walking around aimlessly.
To me the more troubling thing is half or better of those who voted seem to believe that socialism/communism with all the implications is preferable to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: cordex on November 05, 2020, 05:07:34 AM
This is where, if Republicans want to have any credibility at all, they need to be sure of what they post and promulgate on social media.  It's not hard to fact check most of this stuff, and spreading memes and incorrect data makes the more mainstream Republicans look like tin-foil hat conspiracy theorists, and will cause a lot of folks to dismiss all fraud claims out of hand.  The Glenn Beck effect, if you will.

PA has their counting progress online in a live dashboard here: https://www.votespa.com/About-Elections/Pages/Counting-Dashboard.aspx

As of 0751 EST 5 Nov Lancaster county PA is reporting 107,946 Mail-in and absentee ballots issues, 91,076 of those were cast, 78.61% or 71,596 of the cast ballots have been counted and 19,480 remain to be counted.
Good point.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: DittoHead on November 05, 2020, 05:13:33 AM
spreading memes and incorrect data makes the more mainstream Republicans look like tin-foil hat conspiracy theorists, and will cause a lot of folks to dismiss all fraud claims out of hand.  The Glenn Beck effect, if you will.

Glenn Beck would be an upgrade, because right now it's this guy.
(https://images.foxtv.com/static.fox5dc.com/www.fox5dc.com/content/uploads/2020/11/932/524/GettyImages-1283941584.jpg)
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MillCreek on November 05, 2020, 05:22:21 AM
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/eric-trump-fake-ballot-burning-video_n_5fa3a50dc5b660630aee5452

https://www.vbgov.com/news/pages/selected.aspx?release=5046&title=city+of+virginia+beach+election+brief+%e2%80%93+5+p.m

Fake news from Eric Trump: burning Trump ballots
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MillCreek on November 05, 2020, 06:21:01 AM
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rumor-alert-biden-michigan-votes/

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/election-rumors-debunked#125898666

https://factcheck.afp.com/human-error-michigan-county-vote-tally-sparks-claims-election-fraud

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/04/tweets/no-biden-did-not-receive-thousands-mysteriously-su/

Those 128,000 ballots in Michigan
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on November 05, 2020, 06:29:39 AM
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rumor-alert-biden-michigan-votes/

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/election-rumors-debunked#125898666

https://factcheck.afp.com/human-error-michigan-county-vote-tally-sparks-claims-election-fraud

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/04/tweets/no-biden-did-not-receive-thousands-mysteriously-su/

Those 128,000 ballots in Michigan

Snopes says "false" but once again does so with their typical half-truths.

Quote
More specifically, the error seems to stem from a typo regarding the vote count in Shiawassee County. The data should have stated that 15,371 votes had been counted in that county, not “153,710.” The error has since been corrected.

Okay, a typo created way more votes, but they still don't answer the remainder of the question - were the 15,371 votes all for Biden? Because it's not so much the numbers of votes, but that "found" batches of ballots after election day seem to be predominately, if not 100%,  for the dem candidate.

Perhaps it's because my normal news sources ignore it, but I have never seen this in reverse.  I would be truly interested in credible reporting showing that found ballots after election day, of any significant numbers, were 100% for the Republican presidential candidate.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 05, 2020, 06:35:26 AM
^This.

The whole episode is still suspicious, even if we accept the explanation of a typo multiplying the ballots by a factor of 10.

On a related note: why did the Detroit ballot counters cover up the windows?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/11/04/ballot-counters-in-detroit-are-covering-up-windows-in-detroit-to-hide-their-process-n2579477

If they're behaving honestly, they have nothing to hide.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on November 05, 2020, 06:46:00 AM
Please fellow gun owners and fellow friends on the right, have faith in our elections, system and fact checkers.

There is nothing to see there, it was all above board and the voice of the people have spoken, they want Joe!

Do not be alarmed, your rights will be safe through the beautiful reset, don't be alarmed and remember ... orange man bad and only white nationalist rubes support him.

You're not a white nationalist rube are you?

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: DittoHead on November 05, 2020, 06:47:38 AM
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rumor-alert-biden-michigan-votes/

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/election-rumors-debunked#125898666

Those 128,000 ballots in Michigan
This kind of thing makes me really question whether the "real time results" are at all helpful. People clearly want them but then get so paranoid when they see the numbers changing, and it doesn't provide any information that's actually useful for the general public. Although people are so anxious and angry that counting is currently taking so long that just announcing a final number after a few days probably wouldn't be any better. People's time would be much better spent being actual, in person, election observers instead of watching graphs of incomplete counts and going nuts over typos.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: freakazoid on November 05, 2020, 07:04:10 AM
Here's another goodieL https://www.westernjournal.com/election-program-issue-tallied-2-votes-gop-candidate-33-mi-counties-thought-using-software/?fbclid=IwAR2EC_Q9J_BLtvjQiUp2hMjmBhLaFgNSazVrwIOx6A_6bxsXlIdGGfifXsU
Software issue only attributed 2 votes to the Republican Representative in one county, with the possibility of it affecting 33 other counties.

Weird how all of these "errors" always seem to be favoring one side.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 05, 2020, 07:57:20 AM
Stolen from another forum:

A system that has no problem printing currency without wealth will have no problem printing votes without voters.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 05, 2020, 10:45:58 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/seven-voters-older-oldest-human-alive-today-voted-michigan-including-one-man-born-1850/
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: kgbsquirrel on November 05, 2020, 12:48:48 PM
Stolen from another forum:

A system that has no problem printing currency without wealth will have no problem printing votes without voters.


Amazingly poignant.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: French G. on November 06, 2020, 02:38:57 AM
I hope we have some lawyers that don't back down. A lot of  [tinfoil] stuff will be debunked to Glenn Beck the legit info. To me the improbable stuff is turnout surpassing electing the first black president or the first woman. I know population has grown and trump is satan, but still, for Biden there was that enthusiasm? Now as Georgia is stolen we have Biden with 100K more votes than either of the two senate races pulled for D candidates. So we are supposed to think that the most important election ever and they didn't want a Senate with Joementum? Come on man.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: WLJ on November 06, 2020, 07:37:48 AM
Couldn't help but notice how many in the media describe Trump disputing the results as "attacking" the results.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RocketMan on November 06, 2020, 08:26:21 AM
Trump is attacking the results, and with plenty of justification in my opinion.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on November 06, 2020, 08:43:08 AM
For years, decades actually, everyone has "joked" about the corruption and vote stealing that big city machines engage in every national election.

We've joked about this while the franchise of voting has been weakened and turned into such a farce that people actually argue you are the bad guy if you support showing ID.

We've dug a pit and fallen into it, reaped what we've sown.

Will Trump be the first one to stand up and fight against the manipulation of elections that take place so regularly?

Will the people care?

Do the Republicans even care?

Trump and his supporters have pretty much revealed treason in the highest places over the last three years and there is not ONE SINGLE INDIVIDUAL that has been held accountable.

If treason at the highest levels is ignored why would the vote fraud that has become an institution now for decades be any different?

Trumps an unlikely hero and not much of a good guy and certainly I don't agree with him on everything (as if I've ever found a politician I did agree with all the time).

His only virtue is he doesn't seem to be down with the globalist program. He has shown loyalty to his land and its people at the very least. His enemies are the right enemies  "we cannot spare this man, he fights".



Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: fifth_column on November 06, 2020, 09:55:23 AM
I haven't checked the math yet.  According to the tweet linked below:

"I just downloaded the Excel CSV data rolls for Pennsylvania.

Eliminated bad dates of birth, and created an age column.  Then graphed it.

Age 100+ = 672
90-100 = 21,439

Total: 1048576"

https://twitter.com/mad_liberals/status/1324771413329399812?s=20 (https://twitter.com/mad_liberals/status/1324771413329399812?s=20)
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: just Warren on November 06, 2020, 10:30:29 AM
It will be interesting to get a look at these ballots and see how many just had the POTUS and maybe the senate/house sections filled in.

If you're in a hurry to generate as many ballots as possible you can't spend the time filling in all the down-ballot races. So if a lot of them come back without the down-ballot choices being made then that will be a solid tell for fraud.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: kgbsquirrel on November 06, 2020, 12:00:07 PM
I haven't checked the math yet.  According to the tweet linked below:

"I just downloaded the Excel CSV data rolls for Pennsylvania.

Eliminated bad dates of birth, and created an age column.  Then graphed it.

Age 100+ = 672
90-100 = 21,439

Total: 1048576"

https://twitter.com/mad_liberals/status/1324771413329399812?s=20 (https://twitter.com/mad_liberals/status/1324771413329399812?s=20)

Annnd... It's gone.

Never saw it.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: fifth_column on November 06, 2020, 12:12:47 PM
Annnd... It's gone.

Never saw it.

No surprise.  If anyone wants the raw data the link on that tweet was:  https://data.pa.gov/Government-Efficiency-Citizen-Engagement/2020-General-Election-Mail-Ballot-Requests-Departm/mcba-yywm (https://data.pa.gov/Government-Efficiency-Citizen-Engagement/2020-General-Election-Mail-Ballot-Requests-Departm/mcba-yywm)
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RocketMan on November 07, 2020, 07:23:40 PM
My daughter just reported that her mail-in ballot in VA was never tallied.  It was not reported as received.
Of course it was a mostly republican ballot, including a vote for Trump.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 07, 2020, 09:00:39 PM
https://gnews.org/534248/


(https://gnews-media-offload.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/07004505/benfords-law.png)
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: makattak on November 08, 2020, 11:25:37 AM
https://gnews.org/534248/


(https://gnews-media-offload.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/07004505/benfords-law.png)


Blatant and obvious and the "I Fing love science!!!!" crowd will say you're stupid and it doesn't prove anything.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 08, 2020, 02:14:30 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/felt-like-drug-deal-asian-american-ballot-observer-detroit-describes-mysterious-van-dropping-off-61-boxes-ballots-4-video/

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: cordex on November 09, 2020, 05:01:36 AM
Very brief analysis of voter turnout in key states:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vu-v0QDt70

State turnouts as a percentage of registered voters in AZ, FL, NV, OH, and NC changed between -7.3% and 6%.
State turnouts in MN, PA, WI were up between 14.5% and 20.6%.

That's interesting, at the very least.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on November 09, 2020, 05:30:22 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/felt-like-drug-deal-asian-american-ballot-observer-detroit-describes-mysterious-van-dropping-off-61-boxes-ballots-4-video/



Out of state plates. What a shocker.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on November 09, 2020, 05:47:01 AM
Interesting article on the illegal alien vote, which is estimated equal to 15-33 electoral votes.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/counting-illegal-aliens-in-the-census-unfairly-rewards-sanctuary-states-gop-congressmen-tell-supreme-court_3570536.html?utm_source=share-btn-copylink
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: DittoHead on November 09, 2020, 05:55:36 AM
Very brief analysis of voter turnout in key states:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vu-v0QDt70

State turnouts as a percentage of registered voters in AZ, FL, NV, OH, and NC changed between -7.3% and 6%.
State turnouts in MN, PA, WI were up between 14.5% and 20.6%.

That's interesting, at the very least.

Did you do any checking around to validate those claims? Lots of "suspicious voter turnout increases" I've seen shared end up being apples-to-oranges comparisons such as comparing voting age population to votes in 2016 against registered voters to votes in 2020.

Other sources have MN going from 74% to 78% (https://www.startribune.com/minnesota-voter-turnout-could-break-records/572973272/) and WI going from 67% to 72% (https://www.statesman.com/news/20201106/fact-check-did-wisconsin-voter-turnout-dramatically-jump-between-2016-and-2020), not sure about PA.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MillCreek on November 09, 2020, 07:36:19 AM
https://apnews.com/article/fraud-claims-aimed-trump-base-loyal-e1c3c5147d11a033fb43ebe66a29f7e8

According to this, fraud claims are more to keep the base loyal to Trump and to give him a gracious exit.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on November 09, 2020, 07:42:32 AM
Data scientist highlights "glitches":

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/11/09/ive-always-loved-biden-numbers-make-no-sense-blue-check-data-scientists-thread-highlighting-glitches-a-must-read/
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 09, 2020, 10:20:30 AM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/report-in-353-u-s-counties-1-8-million-more-voters-registered-than-eligible-citizens
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: WLJ on November 09, 2020, 10:22:37 AM
(https://jwgecko.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/tip-of-iceberg-sml.jpg)
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on November 09, 2020, 11:47:36 AM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/report-in-353-u-s-counties-1-8-million-more-voters-registered-than-eligible-citizens


I can vouch for this. Out of curiosity last week, I input my information into the CA voter rolls and I was still there as inactive.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 09, 2020, 12:27:21 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nevada-election-worker-voting-irregularities-trump-campaign

Quote
The Trump campaign has obtained a sworn statement from an election worker in Clark County, Nev., who claims to have witnessed irregularities at a polling center in the key battleground state, the president’s legal team told Fox News.

The election worker, whose name was redacted over fears of reprisals, said they “had concerns over election polling place and intimation and voter fraud,” according to a sworn affidavit obtained by Fox News. The alleged incidents purportedly took place while the worker served at a Clark County elections center during early voting from Oct. 17 to Oct. 30.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MillCreek on November 09, 2020, 01:43:16 PM
^^^Kind of convenient to make anonymous allegations over fear of reprisal.  We should swear him in and see what he has to say as testimony in a courtroom.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 09, 2020, 02:30:44 PM
Keeping whistle-blowers anonymous (or at least keeping their identities from the public) is nothing new.  It does not automatically mean nefarious motivations as you seem to imply.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: cordex on November 09, 2020, 03:40:22 PM
Keeping whistle-blowers anonymous (or at least keeping their identities from the public) is nothing new.  It does not automatically mean nefarious motivations as you seem to imply.
And I’m sure Twitter/Facebook will rush to block anyone from mentioning the name of the whistleblower when someone does dig it up, right?
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MillCreek on November 09, 2020, 03:42:30 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8929777/Rudy-Giulianis-witness-claims-saw-voting-fraud-convicted-child-sex-offender.html

Mr. Brooks may have some credibility problems as a witness, what with a felony child sex conviction and owing tens of thousands in child support.  However, these problems apparently did not prevent him by being hired by the Clinton campaign in 2016.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 09, 2020, 04:11:24 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Nf0iges.png)

Haven't been able to find the original source for the 5.5 sigma figure.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 09, 2020, 04:16:18 PM
More time-series data analysis using national ballot-counting data scraped from the NY Times site:

https://twitter.com/APhilosophae/status/1325593635996512257

A long, dense read, but the raw data and the script used to run the analysis are available as links on the thread.

Significant anomalies detected in the data for Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Virginia.

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: WLJ on November 09, 2020, 06:53:03 PM
Quote
    Attorney General William Barr has authorized prosecutors to pursue “substantial allegations” of voting irregularities, if they exist, before the presidential election is certified. The move comes despite there being little evidence of such fraud. https://t.co/9I8lXeQHKi

    — The Associated Press (@AP) November 10, 2020
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/11/09/so-it-begins-ag-bill-barr-authorizes-prosecutors-to-probe-substantial-allegations-of-voting-irregularities-before-election-is-certified/
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: just Warren on November 09, 2020, 08:40:24 PM
Another "glitch" this time in Wisconsin. (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-exclusive-system-glitch-also-uncovered-wisconsin-reversal-19032-votes-removes-lead-joe-biden/)

Weird how it always goes in the Democrats' direction.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: WLJ on November 09, 2020, 08:53:55 PM
At this rate we just may have a Trump 50 state sweep!

Yeah I know, dream on. Right now I'll settle for flipping PA, WI, MI, GA, maybe VA
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: WLJ on November 09, 2020, 08:59:55 PM
Another "glitch" this time in Wisconsin. (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-exclusive-system-glitch-also-uncovered-wisconsin-reversal-19032-votes-removes-lead-joe-biden/)

Weird how it always goes in the Democrats' direction.

Weird implies out of the ordinary
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 09, 2020, 09:12:03 PM
I can vouch for this. Out of curiosity last week, I input my information into the CA voter rolls and I was still there as inactive.

I wonder who "you" voted for.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: WLJ on November 09, 2020, 09:18:50 PM
Dems and the media sure are insisting Trump concede. Something tells me they're getting worried
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 09, 2020, 09:47:51 PM
Dems and the media sure are insisting Trump concede. Something tells me they're getting worried

Doesn't matter. Al Gore conceded, and then he rescinded his concession -- and it still didn't matter. The law doesn't mention and certainly doesn't require a concession. Trump would be an idiot to concede. As someone else already said, this election stinks worse than a Chinese fish market.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: dogmush on November 10, 2020, 01:09:49 AM
As someone else already said, this election stinks worse than a Chinese fish bat market.

FIFY
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on November 10, 2020, 05:24:23 AM
I wonder who "you" voted for.

Heh. That's one of the reasons I checked it. Supposedly "inactive" means you have to re-register to vote, but you're still listed as a voter, vs having your info deleted. In CA's defense, I did have to input my CA driver's license number (which I had to dig up, since ID confiscates your CA license when you get your ID one) and last four of my SSN.

Still, I'm skeptical of any security protocols in CA, having (over 30 years ago) had a guy named Jose collect unemployment there using my SSN. And having the CA unemployment office sending me letters accusing me of fraud. I guess Jose was cool though, because instead of going after him for stealing my SSN, they assigned me an "alternative number" in their system to "clear it up". At the risk of being racist, guess which demographic made up 90% of the unemployment office at the time (kinda like the CA DMV, who assigns voters, is now).
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on November 10, 2020, 10:14:00 AM
10,000 more votes from beyond:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/10000-dead-people-returned-mail-in-ballots-in-michigan-analysis-shows_3573209.html?utm_source=share-btn-copylink
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Nightfall on November 10, 2020, 11:33:35 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Nf0iges.png)

Haven't been able to find the original source for the 5.5 sigma figure.


https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/11/massive-voter-fraud-in-wisconsin.php

It appears the 2020 WI voter turnout, when calculated in the same manner as that of previous elections, is actually closer to 72.5% rather than 90%.

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 10, 2020, 11:51:54 AM
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/11/massive-voter-fraud-in-wisconsin.php

It appears the 2020 WI voter turnout, when calculated in the same manner as that of previous elections, is actually closer to 72.5% rather than 90%.


The author made so many changes and updates that, after reading the article,  I have no idea what compares with what.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Nightfall on November 10, 2020, 12:35:41 PM
The author made so many changes and updates that, after reading the article,  I have no idea what compares with what.

The AP currently lists total WI votes for the Presidential race at 3,289,474. The WI gov elections site voter turnout spreadsheet estimates voting age population at 4,536,417.

3,289,474 / 4,536,417 = 0.725 == 72.5% turnout for 2020

The WI data for 2016, by comparison, put total votes in the general election at 3,004,051 from a voting age population of 4,461,068.

3,004,051 / 4,461,068 = 0.673 == 67.3% turnout for 2016
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 10, 2020, 01:04:12 PM
10,000 more votes from beyond:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/10000-dead-people-returned-mail-in-ballots-in-michigan-analysis-shows_3573209.html?utm_source=share-btn-copylink

Gosh, I wonder who they voted for ...
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on November 10, 2020, 03:30:56 PM
Thousands of ballots returned before the date they were mailed in PA:

Quote
Over 51,000 ballots were marked as returned just a day after they were sent out—an extraordinary speed, given U.S. Postal Service (USPS) delivery times, while nearly 35,000 were returned on the same day they were mailed out. Another more than 23,000 have a return date earlier than the sent date. More than 9,000 have no sent date.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/pennsylvania-100000-ballots-with-implausible-return-dates_3572942.html?utm_source=share-btn-copylink

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on November 10, 2020, 03:32:37 PM
Prepping for the Georgia Senate runoff:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/10/andrew-yang-encourages-dems-to-exploit-georgias-weak-residency-rules-to-swing-the-senate-runoff-to-jon-ossoff/
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MillCreek on November 10, 2020, 04:19:32 PM
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/124676157_3803435856334344_4882341723292337145_n.png?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=tfw35I3Q0KoAX_R8P6x&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=d0c87eb9ab79f23247b8d07aaf4689ba&oe=5FD093FC)
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MillCreek on November 10, 2020, 04:39:13 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/postal-worker-admits-fabricating-allegations-of-ballot-tampering-officials-say/

Huh. Another liar.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: WLJ on November 10, 2020, 04:49:43 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/postal-worker-admits-fabricating-allegations-of-ballot-tampering-officials-say/

Huh. Another liar.

Probably safer to publicly rat on the mafia than on the democrats.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 10, 2020, 06:42:31 PM
Thousands of ballots returned before the date they were mailed in PA:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/pennsylvania-100000-ballots-with-implausible-return-dates_3572942.html?utm_source=share-btn-copylink


And on another site, a suggestion that there might have been election fraud has been labeled as "dangerous" and stupid.

Ooooooo-kay, then.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RocketMan on November 10, 2020, 07:50:15 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/postal-worker-admits-fabricating-allegations-of-ballot-tampering-officials-say/

Huh. Another liar.

This story has taken another twist.  James O'Keefe of Veritas fame has posted a tweet with a video where Richard Hopkins said he did not recant, and that the Washington Post made up the story about him recanting.  He is demanding that the Washington Post recant their article.

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1326337154050641920 (https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1326337154050641920)
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 10, 2020, 10:20:27 PM
This story has taken another twist.  James O'Keefe of Veritas fame has posted a tweet with a video where Richard Hopkins said he did not recant, and that the Washington Post made up the story about him recanting.  He is demanding that the Washington Post recant their article.

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1326337154050641920 (https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1326337154050641920)


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/11/10/leaked-audio-shows-usps-ig-attempting-to-twist-a-whistleblowers-complaint-of-a-n2579867

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 11, 2020, 12:06:34 AM
This story has taken another twist.  James O'Keefe of Veritas fame has posted a tweet with a video where Richard Hopkins said he did not recant, and that the Washington Post made up the story about him recanting.  He is demanding that the Washington Post recant their article.

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1326337154050641920 (https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1326337154050641920)


That "deep state" that the media claim doesn't exist, at work again.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: WLJ on November 11, 2020, 08:05:57 AM
Meanwhile at The BS Times

https://twitter.com/cliffordlevy/status/1326375877349941249/photo/1

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Emg71EpXUAYup9Z?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RocketMan on November 11, 2020, 09:18:05 AM
The NYT needs to correct their mast head to read, "All the news that we deem fit to print."
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 11, 2020, 10:18:19 AM
According to several posts over on our (sort of) sister site, The Firing Line, talk of election fraud is conspiracy theory and should not be allowed.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: WLJ on November 11, 2020, 10:53:30 AM
According to several posts over on our (sort of) sister site, The Firing Line, talk of election fraud is conspiracy theory and should not be allowed.

But talk of Russian conclusion is okay, right?
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MechAg94 on November 11, 2020, 11:56:05 AM
According to several posts over on our (sort of) sister site, The Firing Line, talk of election fraud is conspiracy theory and should not be allowed.
There has been election fraud in probably every election for the last 200 years.  The question is whether it was enough to screw up the results. 
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MillCreek on November 11, 2020, 11:58:37 AM
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-politics-media-1bf96bf3910bdcbe0f125958357c8f1a
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: WLJ on November 11, 2020, 12:17:36 PM
What would be their reaction if hundreds of thousands of lost Trump ballots suddenly showed up with not a single Biden one among them?
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: DittoHead on November 11, 2020, 01:17:32 PM
What would be their reaction if hundreds of thousands of lost Trump ballots suddenly showed up with not a single Biden one among them?
My reaction would depend on what you mean by "suddenly showed up".

These ballots physically arrived at the counting location? That would obviously be incredibly suspicious.
Counted consecutively? That would be a statistical impossibility even in the darkest blue state .
Added to a running total on an unofficial live feed? An explanation would certainly be nice, but it is unofficial for a reason.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Jim147 on November 11, 2020, 03:40:52 PM
I'll start with not being a Trump fan or a republican. What are your thoughts on all the ballot Bidin got while the down ticket got no votes?
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 11, 2020, 04:06:16 PM
I'll start with not being a Trump fan or a republican. What are your thoughts on all the ballot Bidin got while the down ticket got no votes?

Objectively, a statistical impossibility.

Subjectively -- circumstantial evidence of a massive ballot harvesting operation in which the people filling out the phony ballots didn't take the time to mark anything but the presidential line.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: cordex on November 11, 2020, 04:15:16 PM
Objectively, a statistical impossibility.

Subjectively -- circumstantial evidence of a massive ballot harvesting operation in which the people filling out the phony ballots didn't take the time to mark anything but the presidential line.
So why not straight ticket?
I assume because then you’d have to worry about which local elections to assign the fraudulent ballots to without being obviously invalid?
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 11, 2020, 04:43:53 PM
So why not straight ticket?
I assume because then you’d have to worry about which local elections to assign the fraudulent ballots to without being obviously invalid?

Perhaps the fraudsters were in a hurry and didn't have time to mark all the down-ticket Democrats.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: DittoHead on November 11, 2020, 05:04:17 PM
Objectively, a statistical impossibility.
Subjectively -- circumstantial evidence
Seems like it wouldn't be that unusual for first time voters who aren't usually interested in politics. I've certainly seen some in the ballots I've processed (which I'm pretty confident weren't harvested/phony). What makes it that unlikely, let alone impossible?

How many were there this year for each candidate and how does that compare to previous presidential elections?
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MillCreek on November 11, 2020, 05:12:12 PM
I'll start with not being a Trump fan or a republican. What are your thoughts on all the ballot Bidin got while the down ticket got no votes?

Is there a citation to these ballots, in a news source like the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Associated Press, LA Times or something like that?
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on November 12, 2020, 06:21:29 AM
Prepping for the Georgia Senate runoff:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/10/andrew-yang-encourages-dems-to-exploit-georgias-weak-residency-rules-to-swing-the-senate-runoff-to-jon-ossoff/

Putting his money where his mouth is, Yang and his wife are moving to Georgia just to vote. Just heard it on the teevee.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on November 12, 2020, 07:49:38 AM
This story has taken another twist.  James O'Keefe of Veritas fame has posted a tweet with a video where Richard Hopkins said he did not recant, and that the Washington Post made up the story about him recanting.  He is demanding that the Washington Post recant their article.

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1326337154050641920 (https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1326337154050641920)


Listening to a relevant portion of the interviews is quite interesting:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/11/12/rep-thomas-massie-interrogation-of-richard-hopkins-sounds-like-something-out-of-a-george-orwell-novel/

https://youtu.be/QkNkQ2nDQfc?t=4490

These guys sound more like lawyers from an opposing team in court attempting to twist a witness's words. Seeing this, if I were ever in such an interview situation, it would only be with a very good lawyer at my side.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on November 12, 2020, 08:23:28 AM
The person in charge of ballots in AZ:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/11/12/arizona-secretary-of-state-who-will-certify-election-results-tweeted-about-donald-trump-pandering-to-his-neo-nazi-base/
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 12, 2020, 08:26:28 AM
I'm so glad we have such unbiased, level-headed people in charge of certifying the election.  Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside ...

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 12, 2020, 10:49:56 AM
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/11/12/it-contractor-for-dominion-ballot-counting-software-co-exposes-massive-ballot-fraud-in-detroit-michigan/

Quote
Carone was sent to Detroit, Michigan, to provide technical support for the ballot counting process.  While she was there she noted poll workers repeatedly double scanning ballots to generate multiple votes from the same batch of ballot sheets.  When she reported this to her employer, Mr. Nick Ikonomakis of Dominion, Carone was told it was not her role to  review what the poll workers are doing; essentially to ignore it.

Ms. Carone also witnessed election workers filling out ballots, fraudulently signing ballots, as well as the unloading of vans in an area of the Detroit election tabulation facility she was not permitted to inspect. Ms Carone was on Fox Business with Lou Dobbs to explain part of what she witnessed.

Ms. Carone's interview on Fox Business:

https://youtu.be/tDEUUK6yRBY

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: WLJ on November 12, 2020, 04:53:08 PM
James Woods: ‘I tweeted ONE WORD, and Twitter attaches a fraud disclaimer’
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/12/james-woods-i-tweeted-one-word-and-twitter-attaches-a-fraud-disclaimer/
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: WLJ on November 12, 2020, 06:02:44 PM
Another USPS Whistleblower Says Supervisor Told Employees Not to Deliver Republican Mailings
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/11/12/another-usps-whistleblower-says-supervisor-told-employees-not-to-deliver-republican-mailings-n2579999
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: cordex on November 12, 2020, 07:14:48 PM
Another USPS Whistleblower Says Supervisor Told Employees Not to Deliver Republican Mailings
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/11/12/another-usps-whistleblower-says-supervisor-told-employees-not-to-deliver-republican-mailings-n2579999
Not sure that counts as voter fraud.
Wrong, maybe criminal, but not going to change the election.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: TommyGunn on November 12, 2020, 07:50:02 PM
Not sure that counts as voter fraud.
Wrong, maybe criminal, but not going to change the election.

Any one particular such act probably will not ..... but how many  such acts happened?   I sincerely doubt we will ever know.  In my heart I believe the election was stolen,  but I sincerely doubt it will ever be proven because we seem to lack the ability to look into the whole affair in a timely manner.

We have been so screwed.   :mad:

All hail President Ponysoldier!
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: cordex on November 13, 2020, 02:42:16 AM
I should probably have phrased that differently.
USPS’s local refusal to deliver campaign mail for one side to contested areas close to the election may well have impacted the results of the election, but even if 100% proven, the result will not be recounts or changed electors or runoffs.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: WLJ on November 13, 2020, 04:57:43 AM
Not sure that counts as voter fraud.
Wrong, maybe criminal, but not going to change the election.

Not in of itself but it demonstrates the mindset of some of those tasked with handling mailed in ballots which is rather troubling.  
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MillCreek on November 13, 2020, 06:06:16 AM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/usps-staffer-richard-hopkins-told-agents-project-veritas-penned-his-ballot-tampering-claim

If only we could put the Veritas people under oath to see what they say.  It is unfortunate that perjury is generally not considered important enough to prosecute.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RocketMan on November 13, 2020, 07:22:10 AM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/usps-staffer-richard-hopkins-told-agents-project-veritas-penned-his-ballot-tampering-claim

If only we could put the Veritas people under oath to see what they say.  It is unfortunate that perjury is generally not considered important enough to prosecute.

So the Daily Beast is not going to make up fake news about Hopkins and his affidavit?  It's pretty clear the New York Times did.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MillCreek on November 13, 2020, 07:32:51 AM
So the Daily Beast is not going to make up fake news about Hopkins and his affidavit?  It's pretty clear the New York Times did.

A quote from the article:

A spokesman for Project Veritas acknowledged having a hand in the affidavit but insisted that the “affidavit was drafted with Mr. Hopkins’ input and requested revisions,” according to the Post.

It seems clear enough that the premise of the article, that Veritas wrote the affidavit for Hopkins, is correct.   Now there is nothing wrong with that; I write affidavits and declarations all the time for my providers to sign.  I always tell them however, that they have to agree with every word in the affidavit/declaration before signing it. Hopkins told investigators not only that his affidavit was written by Project Veritas but that he wasn’t even entirely sure of what the group had included in it because he was in “so much shock I wasn’t paying that much attention to what they were telling me.”  Mr. Hopkins would be well advised to do the same.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RocketMan on November 13, 2020, 09:29:22 AM
Quote
Hopkins told investigators not only that his affidavit was written by Project Veritas but that he wasn’t even entirely sure of what the group had included in it because he was in “so much shock I wasn’t paying that much attention to what they were telling me.”  Mr. Hopkins would be well advised to do the same.

And the NYT put words in Hopkins mouth when they claimed he had recanted earlier this week.  I will not trust anything the DB writes for the same reason I don't trust the NYT.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: kgbsquirrel on November 13, 2020, 11:30:04 AM
And the NYT put words in Hopkins mouth when they claimed he had recanted earlier this week.  I will not trust anything the DB writes for the same reason I don't trust the NYT.

This.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: DittoHead on November 14, 2020, 06:39:40 AM
Quote from: https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/11/14/giuliani-trump-legal-plans-436475
With the campaign already facing exceedingly long odds in its recount efforts, there are widespread concerns within Trumpworld and GOP circles that Giuliani’s antics are thwarting the president’s legal machinery from within.

I've never understood why Trump keeps him around.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MillCreek on November 14, 2020, 09:31:39 AM
^^^The odd thing is that he used to be a well-respected attorney in the legal world, and his leadership of NYC after 9/11 was impressive.  I wonder what happened to him.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: zxcvbob on November 14, 2020, 11:32:44 AM
^^^The odd thing is that he used to be a well-respected attorney in the legal world, and his leadership of NYC after 9/11 was impressive.  I wonder what happened to him.

https://www.theonion.com/rudy-giuliani-tests-positive-for-slew-of-obscure-bat-di-1845255014
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: kgbsquirrel on November 14, 2020, 12:11:44 PM
^^^The odd thing is that he used to be a well-respected attorney in the legal world, and his leadership of NYC after 9/11 was impressive.  I wonder what happened to him.

Gas lighting.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on November 15, 2020, 08:00:13 AM
^^^The odd thing is that he used to be a well-respected attorney in the legal world, and his leadership of NYC after 9/11 was impressive.  I wonder what happened to him.

He decided to remain loyal to his country.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on November 15, 2020, 08:39:17 AM
Considering that widescale voting fraud has been the norm for decades it might be hard to generate much public interest in changing the status quo.

My grandfather was a cog in the Chicago Machine and that machine has analogues across the states as well as at the federal level.

The reality is, high trust cultures with low time preference have fair and accurate elections.

Low trust cultures with high time preference have rigged elections with rampant cheating.

It's been a long transition from the former to the latter.

The USA has been flooded with peoples from the latter for decades, actually over a century.

If the former ever decide to opt out of keeping the wheels turning, we'll be in an Atlas shrugged moment where we will finish becoming a full blown banana republic.  
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 15, 2020, 10:16:16 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/txfbdkp/8440-E4-AF-0-CEB-49-B3-BB25-D87112234-FF8.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/tYHgnkW/B158-B6-C0-AF2-D-4590-B17-C-AF25-F70-DC726.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/HH0z27d/E51-F3-E00-DF79-4608-8-ACB-3-BAE91-D6-BBC1.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/Tc0VS5d/B81793-BC-D3-DB-4-F75-9-C56-CFA079769644.png)
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 18, 2020, 02:27:49 PM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/2-charged-with-voter-fraud-allegedly-submitted-8000-fraudulent-registration-applications_3583016.html

(appears to be attempted voter fraud for local elections)

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on November 22, 2020, 05:59:46 AM
Quote
So the Supreme Court is being aligned. They Department of Defense was recently realigned by the president. Take a look at how he put in place, a cyberterrorism and terrorism expert. As I said look at what he did in 2018 with the executive order to deal with foreign interference in our national elections. Look, I’d like to see in a perfect world, John Durham’s report come out and people go to jail. I’d like to see Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell and a lot of people go to jail. I’d like to see what’s on Hunter Biden’s laptop. I’d like to see those people go to jail. I’d like to see what’s on Anthony Weiner’s laptop. I’d like to see a lot of people go to jail. And then when we get to the final phase of the election fraud I’d like to see people go to jail. The one thing I’ll say is there’ll be an intermingling. There will be people going to jail I believe who are involved in all of those or some of those same investigations. So there is potentially a great awakening. The truth has to come out. I believe it will. I do not think that you can hide the truth. I do say it and I believe it, every lie will be revealed. This country’s going to be shocked when the find the truth about who’s been occupying the Oval Office for some periods of years. They’re going to be shocked at the level of pedoph*lia. They are going to be shocked at what I believe is going to be a revelation in terms of people who are engaged in satanic worship.

Attorney Lin Wood during an interview on 11/21/20

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on November 23, 2020, 05:51:15 AM
Between the Trump legal team, Sidney Powell and Lin Wood they better pull a rabbit out of the hat.

Setting crazy high expectations and not delivering will be seen as another betrayal of trust.

Trying to gain control and rule Mordor is a pretty crazy scheme. If nothing else it has been fun to watch.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on November 23, 2020, 05:55:58 AM
I'm very interested in this latest Sydney Powell thing.  I honestly can't tell if there's a rift between her and the Trump team or if they're playing 3D chess with the announcement and clarification that they are separate entities.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RocketMan on November 23, 2020, 07:25:13 AM
I'm very interested in this latest Sydney Powell thing.  I honestly can't tell if there's a rift between her and the Trump team or if they're playing 3D chess with the announcement and clarification that they are separate entities.

I think it may be a campaign contribution or legal defense fund thing.  Powell is supposedly donating her and her staff's time as an entity separate from Trump's official legal team.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: DittoHead on November 23, 2020, 08:55:17 AM
Quote from: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-legal-team-shuns-sidney-powell-as-insiders-and-national-security-officials-see-no-evidence-supporting-her-voting-machine-claims
“Based on everything I’ve seen — which is a lot more than Sidney Powell, to say the least — there is no basis for what she is saying,” a senior national security official told the Washington Examiner. “At this point, it would be more believable that she’s a Democratic plant designed to overshadow legitimate voter fraud issues with insanity.
[tinfoil]
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on November 23, 2020, 09:04:19 AM
[tinfoil]


Tucker went hard after Powell also and experienced some online backlash.

I'm pretty burned out on the spy vs spy aspect of all this.

We're all just bystanders.

Choosing sides or choosing teams of people to believe is nothing more than playing fantasy politics in a fantasy politics league.

Pretty sure the only impact the people have is when they refuse to go along with the rich and powerfuls plan.

The people aren't setting any agendas.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: bedlamite on November 25, 2020, 03:17:39 PM
https://rumble.com/vberbr-pa-witness-claims-suspicious-ballot-dump-gave-biden-570k-votes-trump-just-3.html?mref=22lbp&mc=56yab
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 01, 2020, 05:13:02 PM
Already posted in another thread, but it belongs here too:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/whistleblowers-postal-service-threw-out-backdated-ballots-election-trump
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: cordex on December 03, 2020, 02:56:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keANzinHWUA

This seems a tiny bit odd to me ... is hiding suitcases of ballots under a table and counting them after all observers are sent home the norm?
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 03, 2020, 03:03:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keANzinHWUA

This seems a tiny bit odd to me ... is hiding suitcases of ballots under a table and counting them after all observers are sent home the norm?


This is the observer:

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-w_bI4uLSS1I%2FUZTaK2i7YgI%2FAAAAAAAAK7Y%2F2r362PwHfZc%2Fs1600%2FAA%2B-%2BSgt%2BSchultz.png&f=1&nofb=1)

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RocketMan on December 03, 2020, 03:08:23 PM
Was there vote fraud in this election?  I believe there was.  Was the fraud extensive enough to cost Trump re-election?  I think so.  Too much smoke to not believe there is fire somewhere.
That said, I find it amusing that folks think Trump has a chance to overturn the swing state votes or successfully challenge the election results in court.  His legal team has lost every suit filed, either in the court where it was originally brought, or on later appeal.
Democrats are in charge of most courts in the affected states.  For the most part they also administer the elections apparatus in those states.  Recounts in those states will be futile as the fraud is sure to be repeated.
SCOTUS members that were serving during the Bush-Gore hanging chad debacle made it very clear afterwards the Supreme Court would do its best to avoid getting involved in disputes of this nature in the future.
Reality bites, folks.  Biden is going to be inaugurated on Jan. 20, 2021.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MillCreek on December 03, 2020, 03:22:21 PM
^^^Of course, we must not overlook the chance that this election represents the will of the people, much as people here argue that the 2016 election did also.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RocketMan on December 03, 2020, 03:27:32 PM
^^^Of course, we must not overlook the chance that this election represents the will of the people, much as people here argue that the 2016 election did also.

In the sense that the will of a lot of people was to engage in election fraud to get their guy into office, then yes.  Just a few too many sworn affidavits under penalty of incarceration to think there wasn't systemic fraud.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 03, 2020, 03:27:58 PM
Quote
Biden is going to be inaugurated on Jan. 20, 2021


#notmypedophile
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: cordex on December 03, 2020, 03:51:11 PM
^^^Of course, we must not overlook the chance that this election represents the will of the people, much as people here argue that the 2016 election did also.
That is true. And if so, Mr. Biden should be afforded every bit of the respect, deference, and benefit of the doubt that Trump was by his political opponents.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MechAg94 on December 03, 2020, 04:28:10 PM
That is true. And if so, Mr. Biden should be afforded every bit of the respect, deference, and benefit of the doubt that Trump was by his political opponents.
:laugh:

That is a pretty low standard.  You might find it in a deep ocean trench. 
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: WLJ on December 03, 2020, 04:29:25 PM
That is true. And if so, Mr. Biden should be afforded every bit of the respect, deference, and benefit of the doubt that Trump was by his political opponents.

In other words start the impeachment process
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Jim147 on December 03, 2020, 04:32:07 PM
I would like to see one investigative journalist explain some of the oddities in this election.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: BobR on December 03, 2020, 04:42:16 PM
I see all of this talk of voting machines and software and wonder what ever became of Jim March? He was last active on TFL in 2017, I just looked. Surprisingly my log in still worked, I am a once a lustrum visitor to the site.

bob
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: zxcvbob on December 03, 2020, 06:03:51 PM
I see all of this talk of voting machines and software and wonder what ever became of Jim March? He was last active on TFL in 2017, I just looked. Surprisingly my log in still worked, I am a once a lustrum visitor to the site.

bob

I thought Jim March dies a couple years ago.  Hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 04, 2020, 12:14:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keANzinHWUA

This seems a tiny bit odd to me ... is hiding suitcases of ballots under a table and counting them after all observers are sent home the norm?

Quoting this solely because the thread was quickly slid past it so it wouldn't be talked about.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Boomhauer on December 04, 2020, 03:19:09 AM
I’m pretty sure Mr. March passed fairly recently.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 04, 2020, 05:34:43 AM
It looks like there is a drip drip drip of irregularities that is being released and more will be coming as the days go by.

They have video of election monitors and counters in Georgia being removed, then suitcases of ballots coming out and election officials counting them in the dead of night.

High definition video from multiple angles.


 
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: cordex on December 04, 2020, 05:44:03 AM
It looks like there is a drip drip drip of irregularities that is being released and more will be coming as the days go by.

They have video of election monitors and counters in Georgia being removed, then suitcases of ballots coming out and election officials counting them in the dead of night.

High definition video from multiple angles.
(https://i.imgur.com/qyxgY0l.png)
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on December 04, 2020, 05:52:18 AM
Suitcases. It's almost like the Three Stooges at this point. Despite the video evidence, Twitter, et al. still flag references as fake news. I can't wait till Twitter goes the way of myspace.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: DittoHead on December 04, 2020, 06:25:50 AM
I don't understand the focus on them being "suitcases" - they look just like the other totes/tubs sitting around that room.  ???
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 04, 2020, 06:27:42 AM
^^^Of course, we must not overlook the chance that this election represents the will of the people, much as people here argue that the 2016 election did also.

I thought of your post when I read the following earlier this morn.

"America is about to descend into one-party rule like you see in all third world countries, which is what happens when you import the people of the third world. California is more like Mexico now than historic America. This is fine in a state, as people can just move to another state. When that happens in a country, people cannot just pickup and move, so things get a bit more complicated."

If it turns out that Biden/Harris assume the position we will have completed the journey into one party rule.

We were nearly there until Trump the disrupter somehow won in '16.

Once Biden/Harris open the floodgates of legal/illegal immigration it's game over. Nobody on the right will be able to overcome the raw number of new leftist voters.

  
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: lee n. field on December 04, 2020, 07:35:30 AM
I’m pretty sure Mr. March passed fairly recently.

He's got a youtube channel.  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPKSXLhHG5niqbBBD7du91g (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPKSXLhHG5niqbBBD7du91g) .   I remember watching his "Frankenruger" videos on there.

The last few videos from a year ago aren't looking good.  "Fired for complaining about my criminal bosses. Broke and stuck."  and stuff about his wife's cancer.   

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: cordex on December 04, 2020, 08:35:52 AM
I don't understand the focus on them being "suitcases" - they look just like the other totes/tubs sitting around that room.  ???
Interesting nit to pick.  Maybe you're right!

That said, given the presented information (and with the understanding that more information might shed a different light on things) does it strike you as perfectly reasonable and aboveboard to tell observers that counting was done for the night, wait for everyone to file out, and only then break into a large batch of votes (whether contained in suitcases or some other rolling tote) that - unlike all the totes/tubs sitting around the room had been concealed under a table - and start counting them?

With your experience does that kind of behavior strike you as totally normal and likely legit?  Intuitively to me it seems shady, but maybe with your experience you can tell us that it is just how things normally work.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on December 04, 2020, 12:15:21 PM
USB hand-off.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/12/04/that-is-some-handoff-herschel-walker-shares-video-of-woman-trying-to-hide-handing-usb-drive-to-fellow-election-worker/

Something I was shocked to learn about in this election, whether it is "normal" or not, is the amount of portable media used to store votes, let alone the careless handling of such.

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: cordex on December 04, 2020, 01:16:26 PM
(and with the understanding that more information might shed a different light on things)
Now the claim is being made that those were ballots that were removed from their envelopes under proper observation and ready to be counted, that the observers were not asked to leave but just followed the envelope openers out.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RocketMan on December 04, 2020, 02:32:10 PM
Now the claim is being made that those were ballots that were removed from their envelopes under proper observation and ready to be counted, that the observers were not asked to leave but just followed the envelope openers out.

Yeah, I believe them.  Absolutely.  Sure.  Uh, huh.  No doubt in my mind at all.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 05, 2020, 06:09:25 AM
Occasionally I check in at Epoch Times and Newsmax to get the other side of the story. There is a lot going on out there but few cases are actually getting any traction in the courts. Your level of trust in the system will of course determine your opinion on the integrity of those claiming fraud as well as the integrity of those making the rulings.

 https://www.theepochtimes.com/

https://www.newsmax.com/

Zero Hedge has taken the place of Drudge for me. They are frequently way ahead of mainstream sources on breaking issues.

https://www.zerohedge.com/

Like the mainstream media ALL media is to be taken with a judicious amount of salt.

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MillCreek on December 05, 2020, 06:22:34 AM
^^^I have not poked around ZeroHedge before.  Interesting. 
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 05, 2020, 06:27:38 AM
^^^I have not poked around ZeroHedge before.  Interesting.  

The signal to noise ratio isn't that great but at least they're are talking about verboten subjects.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: French G. on December 05, 2020, 07:32:38 AM
USB hand-off.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/12/04/that-is-some-handoff-herschel-walker-shares-video-of-woman-trying-to-hide-handing-usb-drive-to-fellow-election-worker/

Something I was shocked to learn about in this election, whether it is "normal" or not, is the amount of portable media used to store votes, let alone the careless handling of such.



I remember ca.2004 and it was portable media everything in the military. And then someone figured out they were just portable back doors and you really don't even think about walking down the aisle in the store where the media is sold.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 05, 2020, 11:57:21 PM
I would like to see one investigative journalist explain some of the oddities in this election.

They already have: unsubstantiated anecdotes that couldn't have affected the outcome even if true -- which, of course, they aren't.

That's all, folks -- move along, move along.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 06, 2020, 05:38:14 AM
Nothing to see because monitors were forcibly removed and the windows were covered!

https://twitter.com/kelliwardaz/status/1335225504899739649
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 06, 2020, 12:35:08 PM
Drive by posting ...

https://libertyunyielding.com/2020/12/04/in-trumps-campaign-to-save-the-republic-we-havent-seen-the-key-supporting-effort-yet/

wheels in wheels
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 06, 2020, 02:46:59 PM
roh roh shaggy!
Quote
LANSING, Mich., December 4, 2020 – While the Michigan Republican Party joined bipartisan calls for a full audit of the November 2020 election results, Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson is pushing for the mass deletion of election data.

In a memo to County Clerks earlier this week, Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson told clerks to delete Electronic Poll Book Software and associated files, despite multiple calls for an audit of the election - including a bipartisan request from the Wayne County Board of Canvassers. According to the Michigan Bureau of Elections, this data should not be deleted if, “a post-election audit is planned but has not yet been completed,”.

https://www.migop.org/benson_demands_data_deleted?recruiter_id=660242

It's obvious that they ran such a tight ship and the results are sooo accurate there is no reason to keep any election data ;/
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 06, 2020, 04:37:26 PM
roh roh shaggy!
https://www.migop.org/benson_demands_data_deleted?recruiter_id=660242

It's obvious that they ran such a tight ship and the results are sooo accurate there is no reason to keep any election data ;/

Vitiate.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 07, 2020, 05:04:15 AM
Georgia cannot locate their chain of custody records for the absentee ballots.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 07, 2020, 05:24:34 AM
Fractional vote counting.

How can machines for counting votes that have software allowing fractional vote counting even be legal for elections in the USA?

There is no such thing as a fraction of a vote.

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 07, 2020, 05:39:47 AM
Here and there I'm hearing about "cyber attacks" on voting machines.

Aren't voting machines supposed to be air gapped?

Voting machines purchased from a foreign company with wireless internet connection capability?

 
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on December 07, 2020, 05:55:33 AM
Here and there I'm hearing about "cyber attacks" on voting machines.

Aren't voting machines supposed to be air gapped?

Voting machines purchased from a foreign company with wireless internet connection capability?

 

There was a really good article in the Epoch Times on this. It included a schematic of one of the big city voting centers where one of the IT people had sketched out the entire system, including Internet connections. One of the election people quoted had said something to the effect of, "It's okay for the machines to be connected, as long as they're not connecting during voting." However interviewed IT people had said they saw active wireless connections throughout election day.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Cliffh on December 07, 2020, 12:45:56 PM
Ware County tested Dominion tabulators: Equal number of votes yielded 26% ‘lead’ for Joe Biden

https://noqreport.com/2020/12/06/ware-county-tested-dominion-tabulators-equal-number-of-votes-yielded-26-lead-for-joe-biden/

Seems like the Dominion voting systems can't count.  They were fed an equal number of ballots for both Trump and Biden - the end tabulation was that Biden won by 26%.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RocketMan on December 07, 2020, 01:35:32 PM
Ware County tested Dominion tabulators: Equal number of votes yielded 26% ‘lead’ for Joe Biden

https://noqreport.com/2020/12/06/ware-county-tested-dominion-tabulators-equal-number-of-votes-yielded-26-lead-for-joe-biden/

Seems like the Dominion voting systems can't count.  They were fed an equal number of ballots for both Trump and Biden - the end tabulation was that Biden won by 26%.

So far this sounds too much like a case of "My brother's cousin's sister's hairdresser had a friend that tested a voting machine."  They aren't sure of the original source for the story.  Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.  And sworn affidavits backing it up at a minimum.
However, if it is true, that would explain many of the election irregularities.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 07, 2020, 02:44:18 PM
Quote
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Kavanaugh was persecuted and Trump was impeach with far less credible evidence.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MechAg94 on December 07, 2020, 02:53:48 PM
So far this sounds too much like a case of "My brother's cousin's sister's hairdresser had a friend that tested a voting machine."  They aren't sure of the original source for the story.  Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.  And sworn affidavits backing it up at a minimum.
However, if it is true, that would explain many of the election irregularities.
I heard earlier than a judge has ordered at least some of the machines seized for analysis.  We will see.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 07, 2020, 09:59:56 PM
Kavanaugh was persecuted and Trump was impeach with far less credible evidence.

But that was different!  ;/
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RocketMan on December 07, 2020, 11:49:29 PM
Yes, it was very different. You had Democrats running things in those instances, and they are held to a much looser evidentiary standard. The Stupid Party always has to meet tighter evidentiary limits.
This should be obvious.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 08, 2020, 12:57:40 AM
Yes, it was very different. You had Democrats running things in those instances, and they are held to a much looser evidentiary standard. The Stupid Party always has to meet tighter evidentiary limits.
This should be obvious.

So why perpetuate this hypocrisy on APS?
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RocketMan on December 08, 2020, 09:46:21 AM
So why perpetuate this hypocrisy on APS?

Huh?  Non sequitur.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 08, 2020, 03:18:01 PM
Huh?  Non sequitur.


Here's you admitting the bullshit double standard.

Yes, it was very different. You had Democrats running things in those instances, and they are held to a much looser evidentiary standard. The Stupid Party always has to meet tighter evidentiary limits.
This should be obvious.


Here's you demanding the application of the bullshit double standard.

So far this sounds too much like a case of "My brother's cousin's sister's hairdresser had a friend that tested a voting machine."  They aren't sure of the original source for the story.  Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.  And sworn affidavits backing it up at a minimum.
However, if it is true, that would explain many of the election irregularities.


Claiming non sequitur when you are caught using leftist discussion steering tactics is just feigning ignorance.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RocketMan on December 08, 2020, 04:55:02 PM
Good grief, I did not advocate a double standard.  Thanks for putting words in my mouth.  The double-standard already exists, it has for decades, and will not disappear any time soon.
I merely opined that the evidence as presented so far would not stand real scrutiny.  They are going to have to gather rock solid evidence for this claim. From what I have read they are not even close.
Personally, I hope they do find good solid evidence that can be published far and wide. Evidence that would stand up in court. I'm just not going to hold my breath.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RocketMan on December 08, 2020, 06:57:33 PM
And the SCOTUS has tossed the first case to come before them. It was regarding the constitutionality of election law changes made by executive and administrative agencies of the PA government. That power supposedly lies only with the state legislature according the PA constitution.
Justice Alito was overseeing that application.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-gop-election-lawsuit_3610218.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-gop-election-lawsuit_3610218.html)

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 08, 2020, 07:38:06 PM
And the SCOTUS has tossed the first case to come before them. It was regarding the constitutionality of election law changes made by executive and administrative agencies of the PA government. That power supposedly lies only with the state legislature according the PA constitution.
Justice Alito was overseeing that application.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-gop-election-lawsuit_3610218.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-gop-election-lawsuit_3610218.html)

It wasn't tossed out, fake news. Seriously, the case is technically still pending.

The Texas lawsuit joined by multiple states covers some of the same ground as the PA case and is according to some I've read a much better case to bring to the SC than the PA. From what I gather that one, Texas, will be heard.

Don't black pill on me Rocketman, this may look like but it doesn't feel like the typical RINOlosers/losertarians scenario.

Team Trump might just have even bigger balls than any of us suspect. There also may be is more going on than we know.

Look at all the treason and fake right (losers) that Trump has revealed. Look at the damage to the media that has occurred. Does anyone really doubt treason occurred in high places? What we see is a lot of chaos but behind the scenes I'm not so sure there isn't an overarching plan.

Now is not the time to go wobbly.

Let it play out. Enjoy the show.

Maybe the Trump firebreak will hold, don't abandon the line yet.

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RocketMan on December 08, 2020, 08:00:07 PM
You are essentially correct.  I went back and took a closer look at the story.
I also like the fact that other states have joined in with Texas on their action.  We will see.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 08, 2020, 08:42:59 PM
We will see.

Indeed we will.

Pray for mercy.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RocketMan on December 11, 2020, 11:00:19 AM
I'm very interested in this latest Sydney Powell thing.  I honestly can't tell if there's a rift between her and the Trump team or if they're playing 3D chess with the announcement and clarification that they are separate entities.

I wonder if Trump's lawyers dumped Powell over the tin-foil German server farm raid?  It seems more likely to me at this point as she went full retard over that Internet conspiracy.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 12, 2020, 06:06:12 AM
I wonder if Trump's lawyers dumped Powell over the tin-foil German server farm raid?  It seems more likely to me at this point as she went full retard over that Internet conspiracy.

The source of that rumor was Gen. Flynn.

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MillCreek on December 12, 2020, 07:47:13 AM
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p843x403/131095915_4200344243313272_983602773242523485_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=HF73zgQkqiQAX-iYHny&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&tp=6&oh=94257871a0058418092318483b01b243&oe=5FFAAC13)
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: TommyGunn on December 12, 2020, 08:21:17 AM
 :rofl:   Probably a lot of truth there .....
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RocketMan on December 12, 2020, 12:10:41 PM
The source of that rumor was Gen. Flynn.

No, the source of that rumor was retired Lieutenant General Thomas McInerney.  He has a reputation for being a bit of a "loose cannon", euphemistically speaking.  Gen. Flynn is apparently a friend of his and bought into McInerney's story at first, taking him at his word.  The fact that Flynn has been silent since then about the story, and Powell has said nothing further about it, speaks volumes about its veracity.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 12, 2020, 06:32:47 PM
No, the source of that rumor was retired Lieutenant General Thomas McInerney.  He has a reputation for being a bit of a "loose cannon", euphemistically speaking.  Gen. Flynn is apparently a friend of his and bought into McInerney's story at first, taking him at his word.  The fact that Flynn has been silent since then about the story, and Powell has said nothing further about it, speaks volumes about its veracity.

Ah, the rhetoric from both was pretty heated and made some bold claims. They were both in the interview I posted and I misremembered which one was the source.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on December 13, 2020, 05:45:02 AM
So, interesting: There is a congressional race in NY that is within 12 votes. Suddenly the left is in an uproar about voter fraud. I just saw on the TV that the dem machine, including Pelosi, are sending teams of attorneys to the vote recount. Also insisting on human monitors, cameras, the works. I'm guessing none of the people or equipment will have to follow any "30 foot rules", or be put behind a barrier or anything like R observers over the Presidential election were.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: TommyGunn on December 14, 2020, 09:54:19 AM
So, interesting: There is a congressional race in NY that is within 12 votes. Suddenly the left is in an uproar about voter fraud. I just saw on the TV that the dem machine, including Pelosi, are sending teams of attorneys to the vote recount. Also insisting on human monitors, cameras, the works. I'm guessing none of the people or equipment will have to follow any "30 foot rules", or be put behind a barrier or anything like R observers over the Presidential election were.

Aw, now, come on man!!!!  You certainly are NOT accusing the Dems of hypocrisy .... are you? ? ? :O
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Jim147 on December 14, 2020, 10:37:29 AM
One of the Iowa races they skipped the court and went start to Polosie.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 14, 2020, 06:32:32 PM
https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_%5B121320%5D_v2_%5Bredacted%5D.pdf

(https://i.ibb.co/3y7J3r4/EF2758-BA-DBF5-4-D18-9-AB2-556-EDE59-BAA7.png)
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: zxcvbob on December 14, 2020, 08:42:33 PM
https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_%5B121320%5D_v2_%5Bredacted%5D.pdf

(https://i.ibb.co/3y7J3r4/EF2758-BA-DBF5-4-D18-9-AB2-556-EDE59-BAA7.png)


Nobody will read that report except us.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on December 15, 2020, 05:35:33 AM
Nobody will read that report except us.

The Epoch Times has been interviewing experts, including former Venezuelan election officials, regarding Dominion use and manipulation there. Pretty damning evidence, but again, no one who only gets their news from the MSM will see it or believe it.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 15, 2020, 10:46:38 AM
(not confirmed at this point)

(https://i.ibb.co/d06YsN5/17-C6-C6-EF-F47-D-47-F4-A611-1-CB9903-C0-AAE.jpg)
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: WLJ on December 15, 2020, 10:49:44 AM
One of the reasons the FFs warned against mob rule. Guess what we have now
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: DittoHead on December 15, 2020, 05:33:01 PM
Vigilantes now too.
Quote from: https://abc13.com/amp/mark-anthony-aguirre-former-houston-police-department-captain-arrested-aggravated-assault-liberty-center/8802235
A former Houston Police Department Captain was arrested and charged for running a man off the road and pointing a gun at his head in an attempt to prove claims of a massive voter fraud scheme in Harris County, according to a news release from the Harris County's DA's office.
Wonderful  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: WLJ on December 15, 2020, 05:44:38 PM
Stupid is the one thing not in short supply right now.....On both sides.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 15, 2020, 06:03:47 PM
Vigilantes now too. Wonderful  :facepalm:

Is that being reported by anyone credible or just ABC?
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 16, 2020, 08:21:29 AM
Vigilantes now too. Wonderful  :facepalm:

OMG! We are just like the left who rioted for months on end causing millions in damage and lost business!



 
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: DittoHead on December 17, 2020, 06:57:39 AM
Quote from: https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2020/12/02/the-real-kraken-what-really-happened-to-donald-trump-in-the-2020-election-n1185494
If you are focused on goblins in the voting machines but don’t know anything about the CTCL and what they did to defeat Donald Trump, it’s time to up your game.

The Center for Technology and Civic Life and allied groups are responsible for building an urban get-out-the-vote-machine of the sort that Democrats could only dream up on a bender fueled by jugs of Merlot and all the legalized pot they could smoke.
...
In case you still don’t follow: Hundreds of millions of private charitable dollars flowed into key urban county election offices in battleground states. The same private philanthropic largess did not reach red counties. Urban counties were able to revolutionize government election offices into Joe Biden turnout machines.

Here’s the best part — All of this is legal. Do not allow your shock and confusion about what happened in 2020 lead you to mislabel all of this as “voter fraud” or “quasi-legal.” The Left excels at making the unprecedented real and the seemingly illegal, legal.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 19, 2020, 08:37:32 AM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/wh-adviser-navarro-releases-report-election-fraud-swing-victory-to-trump

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The six dimensions of voting irregularities in the report include: outright voter fraud, ballot mishandling, contestable process fouls, equal protection clause violations, voting machine irregularities, and significant statistical anomalies.

All six of those voting issues were present in at least two key states, according to the report, and a total of six battleground states experienced multiple examples of the other dimensions.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MillCreek on December 19, 2020, 08:52:38 AM
It appears as if the fraud claims have paid off for the President:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/19/trump-raised-200m-from-false-election-claims-what-happens-to-the-money-now

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/18/us/politics/trump-money-future.html

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on December 19, 2020, 09:07:01 AM
It appears as if the fraud claims have paid off for the President:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/19/trump-raised-200m-from-false-election-claims-what-happens-to-the-money-now

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/18/us/politics/trump-money-future.html



The two progressive news sites make it sound like a bad thing, but I could think of nothing better than seeing Trump political rallies over the next four years, and a Trump machine to counteract the MSM and big tech. I hope he raises billions of dollars and turns into not  gadfly, but a murder hornet fighting the socialists.

Trump News Network would be awesome too, in an MSM head explodey kinda way.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 19, 2020, 09:40:52 AM
Nothing is going back to how it was before Trump.

The leftists have jumped the shark.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on December 19, 2020, 10:17:08 AM
Nothing is going back to how it was before Trump.

The leftists have jumped the shark.

I think it would be hilarious if Trump started some big website or Internet channel, then every time Biden held a SOTU or other major address, Trump held a rally simultaneously and broadcast it on his network. Because I'm pretty sure he would get the bigger audience share by far, just like his prior rallies have done. :)
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on December 19, 2020, 04:08:09 PM
Fits here as well as anywhere else, since it would be legalized voter fraud. The votes of black people should be counted twice for equity.

https://www.thenation.com/article/society/black-votes-reparations-gerrymandering/
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: just Warren on December 20, 2020, 12:06:17 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-huge-simple-math-shows-biden-claims-13-million-votes-eligible-voters-voted-2020-election/


And that would be on top of the votes that were flipped from Trump to Biden.

Biden could quite possibly only have about 50-60 million votes total and Trump could well be near 90m.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RocketMan on December 20, 2020, 12:39:21 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-huge-simple-math-shows-biden-claims-13-million-votes-eligible-voters-voted-2020-election/


And that would be on top of the votes that were flipped from Trump to Biden.

Biden could quite possibly only have about 50-60 million votes total and Trump could well be near 90m.

Interesting analysis.  Very simple and easily understood.  Not sure why it matters.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: 230RN on December 20, 2020, 03:31:08 PM
Nothing is going back to how it was before Trump.

The leftists have jumped the shark.

That's the way I see it, too.  Now that the Lefties have garnered almost complete control, there is no way they're going to enact legislation to  correct the avenues for election fraud at all levels.

It's a lock unless Trump organizes a sucessful Trump Truth Mission, and that's almost impossible with the current composition of the main stream media and legislative houses in the States which count.

And which keep on counting until the results achieve their goals.

It's been a long 240 year road, but nibbles here and bites there have brought us down.  Perhaps it is true that "all governments trend toward tyranny."

Terry, 230RN

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 20, 2020, 05:40:32 PM
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/pennsylvania-supreme-court-election-2020/2020/12/20/id/1002427/

New Trump Petition Asks Supreme Court to Overturn Pennsylvania Election Results

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President Donald Trump is carrying on his fight to overturn the election results, Politico reports.

The president’s legal team on Sunday filed a new petition with the Supreme Court asking to reverse a trio of decisions from the Pennsylvania Supreme Court easing some of the state’s election rules related to signature verification, Election Day observation and mail-in ballot declarations. They are also asking the court to allow the Pennsylvania General Assembly to pick its own slate of electors.

“Collectively, these three decisions resulted in counting approximately 2.6 million mail ballots in violation of the law as enacted by the Pennsylvania Legislature,” Trump’s attorney John Eastman wrote in the filing.

The campaign team said the decision by the state’s top court to extend the statutory deadline for receipt of mail ballots from 8 p.m. on Election Day to 5 p.m. three days later had "national importance" and may violate the U.S. Constitution.

“The petition seeks all appropriate remedies, including vacating the appointment of electors committed to Joseph Biden and allowing the Pennsylvania General Assembly to select their replacements,” Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani said in a statement.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 20, 2020, 05:42:41 PM
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“Donald J. Trump for President, Inc., President Trump’s campaign committee, today filed a petition for writ of certiorari to the US. Supreme Court to reverse a trio of Pennsylvania Supreme Court cases which illegally changed Pennsylvania’s mail balloting law immediately before and after the 2020 presidential election in violation of Article II of the United States Constitution and Bush v. Gore.   This represents the Campaign’s first independent U.S. Supreme Court filing and seeks relief based on the same Constitutional arguments successfully raised in Bush v. Gore.

“This petition follows a related Pennsylvania case where Justice Alito and two other justices observed ‘the constitutionality of the [Pennsylvania] Supreme Court’s decision [extending the statutory deadline for receipt of mail ballots from 8 pm on election day to 5 pm three days later] … has national importance, and there is a strong likelihood that the State Supreme Court decision violates the Federal Constitution.’

“The Campaign’s petition seeks to reverse three decisions which eviscerated the Pennsylvania Legislature’s protections against mail ballot fraud, including (a) prohibiting election officials checking whether signatures on mail ballots are genuine during canvassing on Election Day, (b) eliminating the right of campaigns to challenge mail ballots during canvassing for forged signatures and other irregularities, (c) holding that the rights of campaigns to observe the canvassing of mail ballots only meant that they only were allowed to be ‘in the room’ – in this case, the Philadelphia Convention Center – the size of several football fields, and (d) eliminating the statutory requirements that voters properly sign, address, and date mail ballots.

“The petition seeks all appropriate remedies, including vacating the appointment of electors committed to Joseph Biden and allowing the Pennsylvania General Assembly to select their replacements. The Campaign also moved for expedited consideration, asking the Supreme Court to order responses by December 23 and a reply by December 24 to allow the U.S. Supreme Court to rule before Congress meets on January 6 to consider the votes of the electoral college.”

– Rudy Giuliani, attorney for President Trump
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 20, 2020, 05:49:03 PM
One of the reasons the FFs warned against mob rule. Guess what we have now

Coincidentally (and it really is coincidence), for reasons completely unrelated to the election I have been reading some of the Anti-Federalist Papers from the period prior to ratification of the Constitution. I have to say, on the basis of scanning just a few of the many papers, some of those writers were remarkably prescient. I see many of the things they expressed concerns about playing out in the U.S. right now.

https://www.thefederalistpapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/The-Anti-Federalist-Papers-Special-Edition.pdf

The Anti-Federalist papers don't seem to get nearly as much publicity as the Federalist papers, probably because "the winners get to write history," but I think they are worth reading. It pains me greatly to realize that one of my ancestors was a prominent Federalist. He devoted his life to public service and I have to respect him for that, but in the debate over the Constitution I believe he came down on the wrong side.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 21, 2020, 09:09:33 AM
Is there no intelligence agency, is there no branch of the military, are there no legislators or a court who will put a stop to a traitor being installed in the White House?

Joe Biden was Vice President of the administration that cooked up and implemented what amounts to coup against President Donald Trump.

Like Trump or lump Trump, an outgoing administration in cahoots with elements in the FBI and CIA tried to take down a sitting president by fabricating an elaborate web of lies. Congressmen, courts and the media are all complicit.

Are all the intelligence services and every branch of military all enemies of the people?

The phony baloney election aside, we know without a doubt that the whole Russia collusion fiasco was an operation to take out Trump based on fabricated evidence. It is all in the record.

Joe Biden should never have even been considered for anything other than a trial for his role in treason.

The phony baloney election of a globalist stooge is a whole nuther story and it was nothing more than a continuation of the attempted coup.

Are there no actual American patriots in positions of power?
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RocketMan on December 21, 2020, 09:18:20 AM
Quote
“Donald J. Trump for President, Inc., President Trump’s campaign committee, today filed a petition for writ of certiorari to the US. Supreme Court to reverse a trio of Pennsylvania Supreme Court cases which illegally changed Pennsylvania’s mail balloting law immediately before and after the 2020 presidential election in violation of Article II of the United States Constitution and Bush v. Gore.   This represents the Campaign’s first independent U.S. Supreme Court filing and seeks relief based on the same Constitutional arguments successfully raised in Bush v. Gore.

“This petition follows a related Pennsylvania case where Justice Alito and two other justices observed ‘the constitutionality of the [Pennsylvania] Supreme Court’s decision [extending the statutory deadline for receipt of mail ballots from 8 pm on election day to 5 pm three days later] … has national importance, and there is a strong likelihood that the State Supreme Court decision violates the Federal Constitution.’

“The Campaign’s petition seeks to reverse three decisions which eviscerated the Pennsylvania Legislature’s protections against mail ballot fraud, including (a) prohibiting election officials checking whether signatures on mail ballots are genuine during canvassing on Election Day, (b) eliminating the right of campaigns to challenge mail ballots during canvassing for forged signatures and other irregularities, (c) holding that the rights of campaigns to observe the canvassing of mail ballots only meant that they only were allowed to be ‘in the room’ – in this case, the Philadelphia Convention Center – the size of several football fields, and (d) eliminating the statutory requirements that voters properly sign, address, and date mail ballots.

“The petition seeks all appropriate remedies, including vacating the appointment of electors committed to Joseph Biden and allowing the Pennsylvania General Assembly to select their replacements. The Campaign also moved for expedited consideration, asking the Supreme Court to order responses by December 23 and a reply by December 24 to allow the U.S. Supreme Court to rule before Congress meets on January 6 to consider the votes of the electoral college.”

– Rudy Giuliani, attorney for President Trump

Prediction:  Cert will be denied by Thursday, 12/24.
I don't understand why Trump's legal team even bothers going to the SCOTUS.  They have to understand by this point that the court will not entertain any legal challenges to the election.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: DittoHead on December 21, 2020, 09:23:42 AM
put a stop to a traitor being installed in the White House?
How exactly?
And at this point doesn't that just get us president Harris?
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MillCreek on December 21, 2020, 09:30:57 AM
Ron, other than the echo chamber of conservative social and news media, what makes you think your opinions as to treason and coups are widely shared by the American public at large?
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on December 21, 2020, 09:36:13 AM
Ron, other than the echo chamber of conservative social and news media, what makes you think your opinions as to treason and coups are widely shared by the American public at large?

You understand what you're asking him is easily turned around to the echo chamber of leftist social and news media? Just because there are more of them doesn't make them right.

It's a "rabbit season", "duck season" argument.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 21, 2020, 09:43:12 AM
Ron, other than the echo chamber of conservative social and news media, what makes you think your opinions as to treason and coups are widely shared by the American public at large?

I know my opinions are shared by an overwhelming majority of folks who voted for President Trump, pretty close to half the voting public either way you look at the outcome of the election.

I know the facts that have been revealed through public congressional testimony and from what the news organizations on the right have uncovered.

Millcreek, other than the echo chamber of leftist news organizations and social media, what makes you think your opinions are widely shared by the American public at large?
           (Ben beat me to the punch).




Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MechAg94 on December 21, 2020, 09:53:50 AM
You understand what you're asking him is easily turned around to the echo chamber of leftist social and news media? Just because there are more of them doesn't make them right.

It's a "rabbit season", "duck season" argument.
One could make the same argument to Samuel Adams a few years back. 
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MillCreek on December 21, 2020, 09:54:23 AM
You understand what you're asking him is easily turned around to the echo chamber of leftist social and news media? Just because there are more of them doesn't make them right.

It's a "rabbit season", "duck season" argument.

Absolutely, but we can probably agree that in the American public as a whole, calling for coups and alleging treason is a minority opinion.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MillCreek on December 21, 2020, 09:56:28 AM
I know my opinions are shared by an overwhelming majority of folks who voted for President Trump

I know a lot of people who voted for the President, including myself, and they are not calling for military coups on the election.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: cordex on December 21, 2020, 09:59:09 AM
Absolutely, but we can probably agree that in the American public as a whole, calling for coups and alleging treason is a minority opinion.
I don't know, it got MSNBC plenty of viewers.  If it weren't for baseless allegations of treason and calling for coups I don't know if Rachel Maddow could have kept eating the past four years.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MillCreek on December 21, 2020, 10:02:07 AM
^^^I am the first to admit that I don't look at MSNBC, but was Ms. Maddow actually calling on the military to overthrow the civilian government?  How interesting, if true.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 21, 2020, 10:25:15 AM
Other than being the VP of an administration that spied upon and plotted to have Trump removed based upon fabricated evidence, has he been involved in anything else that could be characterized as treasonous?

Does having a sketchy son raking in millions and millions of dollars based solely upon his fathers office count? Everything is peachy keen, right?

Coming right out and declaring he will be attacking the second amendment of the constitution, attempting to make outlaws of millions of gun owners, it's just politics?

Getting elected by "the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics" is a pretty treasonous activity. Unless you actually believe he received more votes than Obama did in either of his successful runs.  

Considering how leftist our media really is, it is amazing we know as much about Joe Bidens treasonous proclivities as we do. The man (Biden) is so obviously dirty that calling him a traitor is not a stretch, regardless of the herds opinion.

Sorry, I'm not suspending disbelief and believing leftist media lies.

You shouldn't either.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: DittoHead on December 21, 2020, 02:04:12 PM
With the threat of defamation suits out there now, it's time to get some facts out there I guess.
https://www.newsmax.com/us/smartmatic-dominion-voting-systems-software-election/2020/12/19/id/1002355/
I believe Fox decided to run some similar stuff.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 21, 2020, 03:39:42 PM
Here is a fact: Biden outperformed President Obama in total votes (over 15 million more!) while only winning 477  counties to Obama’s 689. It's magic!

Two records broken, lowest amount of counties won with the all time record amount of votes. It's magic!

Here is a fact: Biden "won" while losing almost every single one of the so called bellwether counties. It's magic!

Here is a fact: Trump had a massive lead in nearly every battleground state up until around 3 am in the morning.

Counting stops in several states at 3:00 AM. Any time an election count goes one way, then is paused for reasons unknown, and in the morning has magically reversed, one suspects fraud.

No investigation. At every level, the Left has stonewalled and refused to hear information about how this election was fraudulent, despite documented evidence.

Media blitz. All of the public voices in our society, save a few outliers, seem to be repeating not just the same message, but in the same form, at the same time. Textbook control.

Censorship. When social media and big media both agree to exclude certain ideas from the discussion as a means to avoid analyzing them for truth, this is not news or discussion, but propaganda.

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: 230RN on December 22, 2020, 05:50:36 AM
Absolutely, but we can probably agree that in the American public as a whole, calling for coups and alleging treason is a minority opinion.

Sorry, but isn't that outside the original issue of legal challenges to the election?   There's a term for that in debating tactics, but I don't recall what it was.  fistful probably does, though.

There's an overlap, no doubt, between the "throw the bums out!" faction and the "hey, scotus, look at the possibility that because of A, B, C, and D, this election is invalid" faction.  But it's an overlap, so don't make the former a label for the latter.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 22, 2020, 06:15:15 AM
Sorry, but isn't that outside the original issue of legal challenges to the election?   There's a term for that in debating tactics, but I don't recall what it was.  fistful probably does, though.

There's an overlap, no doubt, between the "throw the bums out!" faction and the "hey, scotus, look at the possibility that because of A, B, C, and D, this election is invalid" faction.  But it's an overlap, so don't make the former a label for the latter.

The confusion of applying the terms comes because MillCreek still is holding on to the fiction that our elections are actually legitimate. Any  branch of the government refusing to accept the results then would be attempting a coup.

Having followed the Russia collusion thing I'm not sure how anyone could come to any other conclusion than treason was committed at the highest level. The same thing could be said about Hunter collecting millions and millions of dollars all across the globe.

If you follow the "deep state" establishment line you are required to accept that despite what is in front of your face,  nothing to be concerned with happened due to the fact investigations went nowhere. This is proof of innocence, no treason.

So despite the overwhelming treasonous behavior right in our faces, calling their actions treasonous is considered hyperbole and they will tell you its not supported by the investigations etc.

Hunter will be cleared with a slap on the wrist. Move along, nothing to see here...

It is really just absurd on its face. They lie right to your face and demand you believe them.  

Most people willingly believe the lies. It's easier than not knowing or facing the truth.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: DittoHead on December 22, 2020, 06:46:39 AM
the fiction that our elections are actually legitimate.
Yes, exactly! Why bother voting at all? Especially in Georgia... in two weeks... when nothing important is at stake.*



*says the DSCC
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 22, 2020, 07:13:11 AM
Yes, exactly! Why bother voting at all? Especially in Georgia... in two weeks... when nothing important is at stake.*



*says the DSCC

Do you believe that Joe Biden received 10 million more votes than Obama while winning 200 hundred fewer counties? An historically low performance for a, ahem, cough, winner.

Do you believe Joe Biden under performed everyplace in the country except in the very battleground states he needed to win? Battlground states where he out performed past Democrats.

Do you believe that it is normal for counting to stop across multiple states in the middle of the night and then when counting resumes every one of those states flipped from one candidate leading to the other candidate?

I don't like the idea of illegitimate elections any more than you do so we agree there.

Continue to put your head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge the irregularities and statistical improbabilities. All the while ignoring the Democrats destroying the evidence (erasing/dumping vote logs all over the place). Believe the lies if you will.

I'm just not believing lies any longer, even pretty little lies.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: DittoHead on December 22, 2020, 09:17:56 AM
Do you believe that Joe Biden received 10 million more votes than Obama while winning 200 hundred fewer counties?
Do you believe Joe Biden under performed everyplace in the country except in the very battleground states he needed to win? Battlground states where he out performed past Democrats.
I don't find that particularly unbelievable - this election turned out almost exactly how I expected (I thought Trump would win GA pretty easily though). Lots of people love Trump, lots of people hate Trump and they are generally pretty geographically segregated - it's discussed regularly here. Political polarization was increasing before Trump and it only accelerated after he was elected. Trump does get credit for driving record turnout. =)
Quote from: https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2020/12/31/it-must-have-been-stolen/
Trump, in particular, spent four years inflaming his critics’ loathing of him. He made the infuriating of liberals (“owning the libs,” in Internet-speak) central to his brand. Should we be surprised that liberals turned out in droves, if not to support Biden, then simply to stop being infuriated by Trump?

Do you believe that it is normal for counting to stop across multiple states in the middle of the night and then when counting resumes every one of those states flipped from one candidate leading to the other candidate?
There must have been a hundred columns written before the election warning people not to put too much stock in the early count "mirage" (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-mirage-explainer/explainer-red-mirage-blue-mirage-beware-of-early-u-s-election-wins-idUSKBN2771CL) this year. It's not "normal" because this wasn't a normal year, but it was easily predicted because there is a simple, non fraudulent, explanation.
In some states, the legislatures (mostly republican) did nothing to enable earlier counting of the unprecedented number of absentee ballots and as a result there was a pause in reporting results when they had completed in-person voting but not counting absentee ballots. Once they had the absentee votes counted (which favored Biden, again not surprising or hard to explain) those were reported. It wasn't unique to states that Biden won.
Quote from: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/where-we-saw-red-and-blue-mirages-on-election-night/
For example, 90 minutes after polls closed in Iowa, North Carolina and Ohio, Biden looked competitive in these three states — he even led in North Carolina and Ohio. But that changed as officials reported more results, and Trump wound up carrying all three states. It wasn’t just battleground states where this happened either. Deeply Republican states like Kentucky experienced this same “red shift” in their vote margins because of the order in which votes happened to be reported — it just didn’t affect who won them because they were already so Republican-leaning.

I saw this myself in person and it didn't require any fraud to explain. Polls closed at 8pm and results from those were all pretty easy to tally & report - the ballots were already put through the machines and any issues had been correct on the spot, so it was just a matter of downloading the counts and doing some verification. We were still processing absentee ballots at 11:30pm when I called it quits and others worked for at least another 4 hours. It's just a slow process and those ballots are going to be reported last because they have to be verified and opened and run through the machines, not to mention some ballot recreation for military/overseas that send non-standard ballots, and then those counts can finally be reported.

We are an imperfect country run by imperfect people and our elections are no different. There certainly were shenanigans and likely some fraud that, as always, needs to be investigated and prosecuted. However, every mistake is not evidence of a conspiracy and unofficial results reported in real time are labelled unofficial for a reason. Counting and especially reporting in this manner is not great, I do think there are plenty of things to fix, but it is miles away from being proof of fraud. What happened to "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof"?

Continue to put your head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge the irregularities and statistical improbabilities.
Donald Trump's 2016 election was a statistical improbability, we not only accepted it but mocked those who didn't.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: makattak on December 22, 2020, 01:37:04 PM
We are an imperfect country run by imperfect people and our elections are no different. There certainly were shenanigans and likely some fraud that, as always, needs to be investigated and prosecuted. However, every mistake is not evidence of a conspiracy and unofficial results reported in real time are labelled unofficial for a reason. Counting and especially reporting in this manner is not great, I do think there are plenty of things to fix, but it is miles away from being proof of fraud. What happened to "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof"?

Donald Trump's 2016 election was a statistical improbability, we not only accepted it but mocked those who didn't.


Donald Trunp's 2016 election was "statistically improbable" based on the POLLS. The polls that were massively wrong this time, too.

His vote totals were not statistically improbable. In fact, they were perfectly normal, statistically.

In this case, there are MASSIVE statistical "improbabilities" (functional impossibilities, if you actually understand statistics) that occurred within the vote totals. MULTIPLE statistical impossibilities.

But, yeah, it's the same as "RUSSIA HACKED HTE ELECTIONS!!1!1!!" that we heard for the past 4 years.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: DittoHead on December 22, 2020, 01:44:22 PM
In this case, there are MASSIVE statistical "improbabilities" (functional impossibilities, if you actually understand statistics) that occurred within the vote totals. MULTIPLE statistical impossibilities.

Even though many of us simpletons likely don't have the brain capacity to actually understand statistics, maybe you could share some of these impossibilities?
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: 230RN on December 22, 2020, 03:48:25 PM
Dittohead asked,

Quote
I do think there are plenty of things to fix, but it is miles away from being proof of fraud. What happened to "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof"?

Perhaps.  It's one of those slick sayings which sound great when you say them fast, but neglects the idea that all such proofs come after investigation.  One might also say, "extraordinary observations require extraordinary investigation."

Not as slick but answers the question, "Where does this proof come from?"

Somebody once said, "All scientific advances start with someone saying, "Gee, that's odd.'"

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: WLJ on December 22, 2020, 04:12:03 PM


Somebody once said, "All scientific advances start with someone saying, "Gee, that's odd.'"

Terry, 230RN

As do most disasters 
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: TommyGunn on December 22, 2020, 04:58:21 PM
Even though many of us simpletons likely don't have the brain capacity to actually understand statistics, maybe you could share some of these impossibilities?

I'm not amazingly good with numbers myself,  but have heard people who are and have the letters behind their name to prove it claim there are plenty of "odd"  one-in-a-billion odd things that happened.

One notable claim (I did not make it or claim it's real myself):  at the time the counting was stopped at zero dark thirty the morning after the vote in those few states,  Biden's chances of winning were one in four quadrillion.

Aside from what ever fraud exists,  which I believe we'll never get to the bottom of,  I think much of the "cheat"  is the governors and court decisions that opened up accepting votes (mail in)  over a longer period of time.  Only the states' legislature can control how the state votes,  not the court,  not the governir,  not the mayor,  not the boy scouts, not the girl scouts,  and not the Tuesday Afternoon Bridge Club. 

This election stinks on steroids.   But  I do not think it will be overturned;  Biden will be our next president.   :mad:
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: 230RN on December 22, 2020, 05:38:32 PM
As do most disasters  
 

I don't get that, but I hope you're not missing my point that it's the odd things, the outliers, the things off the trend line, that generate investigative interest and develop the "extraordinary proof" that Carl Sagan was demanding.

"Gee, that's odd."

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: MechAg94 on December 22, 2020, 05:45:17 PM
So what kind of "proof" are y'all looking for?  

I have seen quite a bit showing something underhanded occurred.  Would it stand up in court?  Probably not.  But it was enough that is concerns me quite a bit, most especially since few people in positions of authority seem to give a damn about investigating it or take steps to close the gaping holes in the voting systems.  

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: DittoHead on December 22, 2020, 06:57:22 PM
It's one thing to see something unusual (like voting patterns or broken trends) and say 'Gee, that's odd.' and then look into it further. That's fine, plenty of odd things to investigate and they can certainly hint at a bigger picture that might get clearer.

It's quite another to make a bold claim like "this election was stolen" without something solid to back it up. The investigation should come before that conclusion is made.

If the claim is that now our elections are illegitimate, I don’t think that clear & convincing evidence is an unreasonable request.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: zahc on December 22, 2020, 06:58:42 PM
The people that think there wasn't absurd amounts of fraud are like people who really believe Epstein killed himself.

Momma didn't raise no fool. Don't piss down my leg and tell me it's raining. I know damn well Epstein didn't kill himself and there's no way Biden got more votes than Obama did in key counties, with record levels of turnout sometimes over the number of registered voters (and all those extra voters were same-day registrations you see), all the while he underperformed everywhere else including the next county over, and the Democrats in general didn't do so great. And that's just one particular front in the fraud; it just goes on and on. Nope. Not buyin' it. It's Fraud Too Big To Fail.


 To me the only thing under question, because we don't have evidence of course, is about the extent of the fraud...was it tens of thousands of votes (you'd be stupid to think less), hundreds of thousands of votes (my own guess), or millions of votes (I wouldn't rule it out).
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Jim147 on December 22, 2020, 07:23:15 PM
I think they both suck but I'm with Zach on that question. How did pedo Joe do so bad except where he suddenly not only hit A home run but so far out of the park it went through both goal posts in the football field next door?
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: makattak on December 22, 2020, 07:25:29 PM
Even though many of us simpletons likely don't have the brain capacity to actually understand statistics, maybe you could share some of these impossibilities?

Sure, let me start by showing you the difference in the improbabilities that you just compared.

You just said that Trump's victory in 2016 was "statistically improbable", likely (here, I'm assuming) meaning that the pollsters said Hillary Clinton had a 90% chance of winning.

Meaning Trump had a 10% chance of winning. That is what you are defining as "statistically improbable."

The issues I am referring to are, as has been cited in this very thread, are things like batches of votes counted by various municipalities, where, for example, Pennsylvania posted 570,000+ voters for Biden and 3,200 for Trump.

That's  99.4 percent win for Biden in that batch. (Oh, and there are no such batches for Trump, but we'll ignore that.)

I'll be honest that I really don't want to do the math on that, especially when I can tell very quickly that the chances of getting 99% of a win over any random 500K+ votes even if the population were 90% for Biden is so miniscule as to make that 10% "improbability" of Trunp's victory in 2016 seem like a certainty.

We're talking several orders of magnitude difference between these "improbabilities."

This is the kind of "improbabilities" you are comparing.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: DittoHead on December 22, 2020, 08:18:44 PM
as has been cited in this very thread, are things like batches of votes counted by various municipalities, where, for example, Pennsylvania posted 570,000+ voters for Biden and 3,200 for Trump.

That's  99.4 percent win for Biden in that batch. (Oh, and there are no such batches for Trump, but we'll ignore that.)
Cite it then, so I can continue my investigation as Carl Sagan would have wanted.

Which municipalities did it come from and what record are you relying on? Did in person observers see this and report it, or is it based off the unofficial live feed? (Which I may have mentioned before, is unofficial for a reason (https://mobile.twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/1324523204665368576) - There's little point in musing over the statistical improbability of what amounts to a typing error. )

How do you know there are no such batches for Trump?  Do you have a dataset containing all of the batch totals to check? Are the final certified vote totals for those municipalities way out of line with what would be expected?
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 22, 2020, 10:18:59 PM
Do you believe that Joe Biden received 10 million more votes than Obama while winning 200 hundred fewer counties? An historically low performance for a, ahem, cough, winner.

Do you believe Joe Biden under performed everyplace in the country except in the very battleground states he needed to win? Battlground states where he out performed past Democrats.


I don't find that particularly unbelievable

Just in case anybody missed DittoHead's incredulous statement.

DittoHead, hmm, ditto, head; a mind that just repeats/copies what it hears or observes with the implication of no thought.  Fitting for an account that often shares propaganda links and pushes the party lie in the face of all logic and evidence.

(And for the curious, my account name is based on the squirrels at CID Corry who we jokingly said were spying on us for the KGB.)
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: 230RN on December 22, 2020, 10:21:36 PM
At this point I am of the opinion that some folks are arguing for the sheer sake of arguing.

Maybe those questions should be asked of Guliani.

Looking at the concept of "the election was stolen" as if it were a person on trial, as a juror, I might consider a not guilty vote on "reasonable doubt" after hearing all the evidence.  But if I were on a grand jury, I would definitely vote for a  Bill of Indictment from the evidence so far. (Let's not get  into the faults of the Grand Jury process at this point.)

And incidentally, considering the fact that jokes about voting fraud have been around for so long, they're almost an American Institution, I don't think it's necessary to call the accusations made here as  "extraordinary claims" at all.

They're, rather, quite ordinary, wot?

Terry, 230RN

Edited for housekeeping
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: DittoHead on December 23, 2020, 05:20:46 AM
Fitting for an account that often shares propaganda links and pushes the party lie in the face of all logic and evidence.
Soros only pays me for the psy-ops on Ron, the rest of you guys are just incidental.  ;)


*And yes if "the party lie" is that voting matters and people in GA need to ignore the conspiracy nuts and vote in the senate runoffs (which is what ignited this tangent) then I am certainly pushing that propaganda
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 23, 2020, 05:45:31 AM
Soros only pays me for the psy-ops on Ron, the rest of you guys are just incidental.  ;)


*And yes if "the party lie" is that voting matters and people in GA need to ignore the conspiracy nuts and vote in the senate runoffs (which is what ignited this tangent) then I am certainly pushing that propaganda

It's pretty obvious we're both on the bottom rung of our respective conspiratorial networks.

At least you get paid. I'm just a volunteer.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: cordex on December 23, 2020, 06:37:51 AM
Soros only pays me for the psy-ops on Ron, the rest of you guys are just incidental.  ;)
Ha ha!  That's so funn ... wait ...

You register in 2009 and post a bare handful of times between 2009 and 2010, then jump back into the fray in the election year of 2012.  But only until literally a week after Obama wins a second term.  Then you go radio silent until 2016 just after Trump unexpectedly wins (indeed, your first post back is lamenting his win despite losing the popular vote) and spend the next four years posting almost exclusively anti-Trump stuff.

You're not pulling a Biden and saying the quiet part out loud, are you?
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: DittoHead on December 23, 2020, 07:24:33 AM
You're not pulling a Biden and saying the quiet part out loud, are you?

My posting history is an open book, as is everyone's here. I haven't changed my opinion on the 2nd amendment, Obama, the electoral college, or Trump.

I have taken several breaks from this forum, some longer than others and for various reasons - life events that took me offline, general annoyance with politics overall, finding better forums for discussion. Despite my username, I don't see the need anymore to post many messages of simple agreement. There are plenty of threads here (and on most forums) that I consider a useless 'circle jerk' for lack of a better term. Trump's election and popularity here resulted in a lot of topics and specific points on which I disagree and therefore participate in. I don't expect to change anyone's opinion here but I do offer mine when it appears to differ from the majority. On other forums where Trump is less popular I don't bother to participate in the anti-trump stuff unless it goes off the rails into "illegitimate election" type nuttery. Call me a contrarian if you like.

If you think I should post differently, feel free to ignore me. That's what I do with fistful  =)
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: cordex on December 23, 2020, 07:34:18 AM
Why would I need to ignore you?  In a few weeks after your guy is safely installed it'll be time for another four year break.    ;)
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: WLJ on December 23, 2020, 07:42:01 AM
No break needed, this forum will be put on the naughty list for wrong think   [tinfoil]
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 23, 2020, 08:46:28 AM
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I haven't changed my opinion on the 2nd amendment, Obama, the electoral college, or Trump.

Your posts and incidental affiliations might lead some to surmise that you are an anti-2nd Amendment statist/communist.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: DittoHead on December 23, 2020, 08:51:42 AM
Your posts and incidental affiliations might lead some to surmise that you are an anti-2nd Amendment statist/communist.

I'm not sure what "incidental affiliations" I have, but I'd love to see which of my posts you think are anti-2nd Amendment statist/communist.
But maybe you could PM them or we could just start a new catch-all thread for what ya'll don't like about me?  :-*
Seems like a pretty big drift for this one...
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: cordex on December 23, 2020, 08:55:33 AM
And for the record, DittoHead, my posting history is equally open.  My opinion of Trump started off low and was mixed throughout his term - I liked some things he did, and I disliked others.  Your relentlessly anti-Trump posts and equivalent anti-Trump reporting from the media as a whole, plus outright ideological censorship from tech platforms have actually served more to push me far more into the Trump camp.  

So ... congratulations, I guess.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: DittoHead on December 23, 2020, 08:58:38 AM
And for the record, DittoHead, my posting history is equally open.  My opinion of Trump started off low and was mixed throughout his term - I liked some things he did, and I disliked others.  Your relentlessly anti-Trump posts and equivalent anti-Trump reporting from the media as a whole, plus outright ideological censorship from tech platforms have actually served more to push me far more into the Trump camp.  

So ... congratulations, I guess.

Again, keep it to the PM. The deep state is going to kick me out if this stuff is made public.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: cordex on December 23, 2020, 09:04:15 AM
Again, keep it to the PM. The deep state is going to kick me out if this stuff is made public.
Oh, yes sir!
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on December 23, 2020, 09:05:39 AM
Your posts and incidental affiliations might lead some to surmise that you are an anti-2nd Amendment statist/communist.

Without turning my post into a book, I will say that making suppositions like this are more likely if referring to a poster that mostly, or just posts in politics. It gives a very one dimensional view of a poster. I know that Dittohead has actually posted non-political replies on gun topics here, and those replies would lead me to believe that he is not at all anti-2nd. He just doesn't seem to post outside of politics that much.

Dittohead, and everyone else here, can post where and how they want. I would only submit that if you regularly participate in other areas of APS as well, people have a more well-rounded view of who you are, and don't judge (or misjudge) you based purely on political posts.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 23, 2020, 09:43:24 AM
Come on, man. Gimme a break. Please? It's Christmas.

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: DittoHead on December 23, 2020, 09:48:55 AM



This is getting ridiculous. I'm done with this thread.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: zahc on December 23, 2020, 10:24:24 AM
This is supposed to be compendium of voting fraud allegations and evidence, not a discussion. I would rather not lock the thread; it would be better to delete all of the off-topic posts.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on December 23, 2020, 10:27:08 AM
This is supposed to be compendium of voting fraud allegations and evidence, not a discussion. I would rather not lock the thread; it would be better to delete all of the off-topic posts.

Maybe, in the spirit of the original APS theme of "members moderating members", we can listen to this here guy, who started the thread in the first place.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: 230RN on December 23, 2020, 02:02:57 PM


This is getting ridiculous. I'm done with this thread.

Ditto.  It got personal.  I fail to see how DittoHead's  posting history had any relevance to the topic at hand and I do not see why he should have to defend it.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RocketMan on December 24, 2020, 02:27:19 PM


Prediction:  Cert will be denied by Thursday, 12/24.
I don't understand why Trump's legal team even bothers going to the SCOTUS.  They have to understand by this point that the court will not entertain any legal challenges to the election.

I was close.  The court announced today it is not going to act on this latest suit until after Jan. 20 inauguration.  This effectively kills the suit with regard to any election malfeasance.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/supremecourt-trump-election-pennsylvania/2020/12/24/id/1003064/ (https://www.newsmax.com/politics/supremecourt-trump-election-pennsylvania/2020/12/24/id/1003064/)
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 24, 2020, 05:09:23 PM
I was close.  The court announced today it is not going to act on this latest suit until after Jan. 20 inauguration.  This effectively kills the suit with regard to any election malfeasance.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/supremecourt-trump-election-pennsylvania/2020/12/24/id/1003064/ (https://www.newsmax.com/politics/supremecourt-trump-election-pennsylvania/2020/12/24/id/1003064/)

Had to at least try before cracking open the last box.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on December 25, 2020, 06:17:54 AM
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/dec/21/why-i-will-not-accept-joe-biden-as-president/

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For more than four years, the entire establishment mobilized against the elected president of the United States as though they were an immune system trying to kill a virus. Now, they are telling us we are undermining democracy.

You have more than 74 million voters who supported President Trump despite everything — and given the election mess, the number could easily be significantly higher. The truth is tens of millions of Americans are deeply alienated and angry.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on December 25, 2020, 08:24:09 AM
I might not think anything of this, other than the groups that USPS is working with. The "something fishy" detector goes off. The more of these stories I see, the more likely I see a dem majority in the Senate.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/judge-approves-deal-between-usps-and-civil-rights-groups-to-fast-track-ballots-in-georgia-runoff-elections_3632340.html?utm_source=share-btn-copylink&st=u3PUcDUyqXFcSTO1CDtMxAHPD2V3dNTaFHODkuy201udEOWDGBY2vaoxD-2Py9oiy3_pk4n8JEAKGRITbi2CulRvWEEn4Nb-PHY
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on December 29, 2020, 11:47:21 AM
Stacey Abram's sister is apparently an Obama appointed judge. She has just blocked Georgia counties from purging old voter rolls. This seems like a clear case of a judge needing to recuse herself.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/georgia-judge-stacey-abrams-sister-wont-recuse-election-suit-rules-against-voter-purge-before-runoffs
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Boomhauer on December 29, 2020, 01:08:18 PM
I might not think anything of this, other than the groups that USPS is working with. The "something fishy" detector goes off. The more of these stories I see, the more likely I see a dem majority in the Senate.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/judge-approves-deal-between-usps-and-civil-rights-groups-to-fast-track-ballots-in-georgia-runoff-elections_3632340.html?utm_source=share-btn-copylink&st=u3PUcDUyqXFcSTO1CDtMxAHPD2V3dNTaFHODkuy201udEOWDGBY2vaoxD-2Py9oiy3_pk4n8JEAKGRITbi2CulRvWEEn4Nb-PHY

The fix is in for sure



Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RocketMan on December 29, 2020, 03:20:46 PM
The fix is in for sure

The fix was never out after the Nov 3. federal election.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on December 31, 2020, 01:25:26 PM
So this Jon Ossoff guy has been telling everyone that Kelly Loeffler is campaigning with a klansman. Even CNN has "fact checked" him false on this, and some time ago. As I type this, Twitter has no warnings on his tweeted claim. Trump can't tweet anything without getting a warning banner.

The bias is so overt it's like a sledgehammer. Sadly, with Biden getting in, Twitter et al will only be emboldened, not reined in.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/12/31/even-cnns-fact-checker-shoots-down-jon-ossoffs-claim-that-kelly-loeffler-has-been-campaigning-with-a-klansman/

https://twitter.com/i/status/1344443912795131908
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Andiron on January 05, 2021, 06:56:11 PM
As usual,  Larry nails it.  Worth reading the whole thing. 

Dittohead,  best to avoid this one.  Wouldn't want to mess with whatever the color of the sky is in your world.

https://monsterhunternation.com/2021/01/05/one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/

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Now watch. As you share this a horde of gas lighting morons will arrive on your page to shame you into silence. We already know what they’ll say. They’ll cite court cases being tossed, even though most of those were on standing or legal procedures, not fraud. Most of the fraud stuff has never been presented in court, and even if it did, it was compiled by outsiders using data available to the public, not real auditors with access to source data, which is what is necessary in order to prove fraud. Or they’ll cite some of the weak sauce “audits” which have happened around the country, even though at best those are spot checks (sometimes in the wrong spot!) not audits, and they were conducted by the same people who probably *expletive deleted*ed it up to begin with. Don’t worry. None of them will read this far. Just watch.

So in conclusion, the government loves auditing everything the people do because we are incompetent, untrustworthy, cheaters. But if the people want to audit election results, we are terrible bad conspiracy theorists who need to be shamed into silence. Them auditing us is good and necessary. Us auditing them is silly foolishness.

I’m glad we got that cleared up.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: bedlamite on January 08, 2021, 06:22:08 PM
Not sure if you can read it, had to shrink it to make 128k. I've got a 1000x1000 if someone wants it.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: zxcvbob on January 08, 2021, 06:29:39 PM
Not sure if you can read it, had to shrink it to make 128k. I've got a 1000x1000 if someone wants it.

Can almost read it, but not really.  What's it say, and by whom?  Something about vote switching.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: bedlamite on January 08, 2021, 06:36:16 PM
Can almost read it, but not really.  What's it say, and by whom?  Something about vote switching.

Yep. Vote totals were switched, and he's willing to testify who and how.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Cliffh on January 08, 2021, 06:39:16 PM
I pray he gets the chance to do so and many, many people end up in prison.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Andiron on January 08, 2021, 06:43:26 PM
I pray he gets the chance to do so and many, many people end up in prison.

The system that was in place to do that is dysfunctional, dead and buried.

Did you miss the past 8 weeks?  They wouldn't even *expletive deleted*ing LOOK at the cases filed.  They don't care and the SC is terrified.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Cliffh on January 08, 2021, 06:44:43 PM
Yeah, I know. 

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: zxcvbob on January 08, 2021, 06:51:15 PM
Who signed it?  Like I said, I can almost read it but not quite.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: bedlamite on January 08, 2021, 06:55:21 PM
https://en-volve.com/2021/01/06/bombshell-it-expert-and-global-defense-contractor-testifies-in-italian-court-that-he-and-others-rigged-machines-to-switch-votes-to-biden-in-us-election/
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: zxcvbob on January 13, 2021, 08:52:20 AM
https://en-volve.com/2021/01/06/bombshell-it-expert-and-global-defense-contractor-testifies-in-italian-court-that-he-and-others-rigged-machines-to-switch-votes-to-biden-in-us-election/

There was an interesting question in the comments section; why would the affidavit be written in English instead of Italian?
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: zxcvbob on January 13, 2021, 09:04:38 AM
I'm going to ask this here just because it doesn't seem to fit anyplace else.  I don't remember what the real numbers were, but supposedly DJT got about 72000000 votes and Biden got 81000000.  Or something like that. 

There are a little less than 400,000,000 people in the United States.  Are there really over 150,000,000 eligible voters?  I don't see how.  Children can't vote, plus you have all the felons, foreign nationals, (not going there with the illegal aliens), the incompetent, and other ineligible adults.  And the Libertarians, Green Party, Constitution Party, The Rent Is Too Damn High (I love the name even if they are crazy), etc. minor parties and the write-ins are bound to have collectively gotten a few million votes.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Nick1911 on January 13, 2021, 09:11:40 AM
I'm going to ask this here just because it doesn't seem to fit anyplace else.  I don't remember what the real numbers were, but supposedly DJT got about 72000000 votes and Biden got 81000000.  Or something like that. 

There are a little less than 400,000,000 people in the United States.  Are there really over 150,000,000 eligible voters?  I don't see how.  Children can't vote, plus you have all the felons, foreign nationals, (not going there with the illegal aliens), the incompetent, and other ineligible adults.  And the Libertarians, Green Party, Constitution Party, The Rent Is Too Damn High (I love the name even if they are crazy), etc. minor parties and the write-ins are bound to have collectively gotten a few million votes.

A very quick check of census data suggests that there are an estimated 233.5 million citizen voting-age population, with a margin of error of 3.2 million.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: zxcvbob on January 13, 2021, 09:40:45 AM
A very quick check of census data suggests that there are an estimated 233.5 million citizen voting-age population, with a margin of error of 3.2 million.

How many of those are eligible to vote?  I think the census just says how many are old enough.  (that was a good place to start, though.  I hadn't thought of that)
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 13, 2021, 12:41:28 PM
There was an interesting question in the comments section; why would the affidavit be written in English instead of Italian?

Agreed upon international languages would be a decent guess.  Which is why m passport has stuff written in French as well as English.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: zahc on January 13, 2021, 01:04:55 PM
Found elsewhere. Seems reasonable; I would like to independently verify myself when I get the time. Should be pretty easy to download the NYT data and plot in a spreadsheet. Anyone else want to try?

https://www.sott.net/article/444837-Anomalies-in-Vote-Counts-and-Their-Effects-on-Election-2020-Quantitative-Analysis-of-Decisive-Updates-in-MI-WI-and-GA-on-and-after-Election-Night

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: makattak on January 14, 2021, 08:59:46 AM
I have been reading about Frank Hamer lately, and an episode where the governor of Texas lost to a political machine that won with massive voter fraud occurred.

The governor was warned about the fraud and chose not to do anything about it until AFTER the election.

Just as now, the courts and the legislature did nothing about it. If you want to stop fraud, you apparently have to prevent it in the first place. It seems there will be no remedies after the fact.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RocketMan on February 22, 2021, 10:16:56 AM
And the Supreme Court today tossed the remaining lawsuits regarding election irregularities.  No surprise there.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ben on February 22, 2021, 10:32:12 AM
And the Supreme Court today tossed the remaining lawsuits regarding election irregularities.  No surprise there.

Plus this:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/every-house-democrat-signs-on-to-hr1
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Ron on February 22, 2021, 12:40:19 PM
Both voting and the court system are no longer trustworthy. Representative government and the rule of law are dead. Maybe it's been that way longer than we thought. We seem to be at a turning point, the end game.

The elimination of political speech in the marketplace and the end of political solutions all happened pretty fast.

I would have never guessed that I wasn't cynical enough!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: kgbsquirrel on February 22, 2021, 12:45:46 PM
Both voting and the court system are no longer trustworthy. Representative government and the rule of law are dead. Maybe it's been that way longer than we thought. We seem to be at a turning point, the end game.

The elimination of political speech in the marketplace and the end of political solutions all happened pretty fast.

I would have never guessed that I wasn't cynical enough! :laugh:

I know, right?  :O
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: 230RN on February 22, 2021, 02:17:38 PM
Plus this:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/every-house-democrat-signs-on-to-hr1

All as planned, as I said:

https://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=63255.msg1285431;topicseen#msg1285431

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Now that the Lefties have garnered almost complete control, there is no way they're going to enact legislation to  correct the avenues for election fraud at all levels.

It's a lock unless Trump organizes a sucessful Trump Truth Mission, and that's almost impossible with the current composition of the main stream media and legislative houses in the States which count... and keep on counting until the results achieve their goals.

It's been a long 240 year road, but nibbles here and bites there have brought us down.  Perhaps it is true that "all governments trend toward tyranny."

And somewhere along this progress toward Progressivism will be the attempted impeachment (or whatever "boot 'em out" process is involved) of all of Trump's judicial appointees. I got $10 ready for whenever someone starts up a pool for when the Dems institute that.

Ten bucks.  Right there on the table.  Don't let the wind blow it away.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 01, 2021, 08:48:10 AM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/4-arrested-in-texas-on-150-counts-of-voter-fraud_3715419.html

Iceberg.  Tip thereof.

Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: grampster on March 01, 2021, 12:48:19 PM
I still recommend that anyone caught tampering with the ballot process should be summarily hung in front of the courthouse.  I think that might have a bit of a restrainment for future tampering.  We hung horse thieves.  Why not hang those who would murder an entire nation?
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: kgbsquirrel on March 01, 2021, 12:49:31 PM
I still recommend that anyone caught tampering with the ballot process should be summarily hung in front of the courthouse.  I think that might have a bit of a restrainment for future tampering.  We hung horse thieves.  Why not hang those who would murder an entire nation?

Yes.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Jim147 on March 01, 2021, 01:59:56 PM
Wood chipper is a good choice also. Very visual effect on people.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 01, 2021, 02:50:05 PM
Wood chipper is a good choice also. Very visual effect on people.

So is a rotting corpse twisting in the breeze.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Andiron on March 01, 2021, 07:15:53 PM
So is a rotting corpse twisting in the breeze.

The Tree of Liberty doesn't often bear fruit,  but I'm fine with this.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 04, 2021, 01:22:54 PM
This is a local election, but it's definitely voter fraud:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/judge-orders-new-election-after-78-percent-mail-in-ballots-found-invalid-notary-arrested-for-voter-fraud_3720930.html

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A Mississippi judge ordered a new runoff election for a local election in Aberdeen after more than three-quarters of absentee ballots cast in the June Democratic runoff election were found to be invalid, while a notary involved in the election was arrested.
Title: Re: Voting fraud compendium
Post by: kgbsquirrel on March 04, 2021, 04:07:43 PM
Meanwhile voter fraud enabling legislation just passed in the house.