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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on November 23, 2020, 08:12:54 PM
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I don't have Disney, so haven't seen the show. Maybe I will if it ever hits DVD. However, I keep getting hits in my news feed about one of the actresses, Gina Carano. Apparently she committed the capitol crime of both saying she doesn't like covid masks and that she thinks there was fishy stuff in the elections. I guess the fan base had an uprising demanding she be fired for her personal views, and Disney will likely comply. This is where we are, folks.
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/gina-carano-mandalorian-fired-plan.html
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These *expletive deleted*ing SJWs...don’t forget they are up in arms over Baby Yoda 🙄
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People also got upset with The Child, aka Baby Yoda, eating the spawn of a passenger.
Actually how the story is going, with Din Djardin, "Mando", trying to get Baby Yoda to the Jedi, and Cara Dune isn't on the crew, it appears she wasn't going to be in the story very long anyways.
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She starred in a Soderbergh film a while back. I think it's worth watching.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1506999/
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People were also upset with Gina Carano because she refused to put her personal pronouns in her Twitter bio. (at least I think it was Twitter)
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I like the cut of her jib. She doesn’t seem to be one who is willing to be intimidated by the mob.
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After the Chris Pratt is a conservative thing I don't think they will let her go.
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That website is just making *expletive deleted*it up. Disney has given no indication they are going to fire Gina. The website tries to look like an news article but they give the game away with all the "might" and "could"s.
FWIW, I follow Gina Carano on Twitter and have read several of these threads firsthand. There are some SJWs calling for her firing, but most people that don't like her tweets are "I don't like her politics, but the show is good" type, and a lot of folks are supportive. I have come to believe that a lot of these "news" stories where "fans are calling for" something are either fiction to hit a word count quota, or the author is themselves "fans".
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I kinda, sorta believed that the SJW class was a pretty small part of our 330 million Americans. Just really, really noisy. But then 70+ million Americans voted for Biden/Harris. I'm not so sure I believe that any more.
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The people who voted for Biden aren't necessarily SJW. They comprise largely
--simple, loyal democrats who vote for their team in all circumstances. These people don't need any reasons or policies in their decision.
--never trumpers and people who are less anti-trump than the never trumpers, but they do have reasoning, or more likely that modern substitute for reasoning, an internal narrative, that causes them to think orange man bad. The majority of these think that way because their information sources (including biased media and people in group 1) told them so (something about Russia and COVID and division and racist). Accuracy of the narrative is far less important than that it has reasonable internal consistency (believability) and that it's repeated by many different information sources over time (perception of credibility and consensus), so these people think that they are making their preferred, informed choice.
--a bunch of even less principled people who have only a vague idea of anything, but they voted for biden to make the social unease stop. These people would rather have a bad president and a bad direction for the nation, or even a bad policies for themselves, while otherwise being told by their information sources that everything is better, than to have a better president or better policies but have to endure shrieking. For these, perception is reality and their information sources gave them the perception that Trump must be stopped and voting for Biden would be a vote for the old normal (like with Obama) where (they were told) everything was better, and we were making progress, and there weren't riots and we were united, even while our president was selling guns to Mexican cartels, droning people left and right, and spying on his political opponents using the government, and actually doing nothing at all for black people. These people sense a vague threat in the air, and they voted with their lizard brain to "make the threat go away".
The Democrats have learned that they can win elections by swaying only the 2nd and 3rd group. Maybe just the 3rd group. The first group is a gimme. Actual policies are way, way down the list of things that impact their ability to hold power with all 3 groups, and you can tell that by their candidate choices.
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Or, in other words, we get the government we so richly deserve. >:D [barf]
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The people who voted for Biden aren't necessarily SJW. They comprise largely
--simple, loyal democrats who vote for their team in all circumstances. These people don't need any reasons or policies in their decision.
--never trumpers and people who are less anti-trump than the never trumpers, but they do have reasoning, or more likely that modern substitute for reasoning, an internal narrative, that causes them to think orange man bad. The majority of these think that way because their information sources (including biased media and people in group 1) told them so (something about Russia and COVID and division and racist). Accuracy of the narrative is far less important than that it has reasonable internal consistency (believability) and that it's repeated by many different information sources over time (perception of credibility and consensus), so these people think that they are making their preferred, informed choice.
--a bunch of even less principled people who have only a vague idea of anything, but they voted for biden to make the social unease stop. These people would rather have a bad president and a bad direction for the nation, or even a bad policies for themselves, while otherwise being told by their information sources that everything is better, than to have a better president or better policies but have to endure shrieking. For these, perception is reality and their information sources gave them the perception that Trump must be stopped and voting for Biden would be a vote for the old normal (like with Obama) where (they were told) everything was better, and we were making progress, and there weren't riots and we were united, even while our president was selling guns to Mexican cartels, droning people left and right, and spying on his political opponents using the government, and actually doing nothing at all for black people. These people sense a vague threat in the air, and they voted with their lizard brain to "make the threat go away".
The Democrats have learned that they can win elections by swaying only the 2nd and 3rd group. Maybe just the 3rd group. The first group is a gimme. Actual policies are way, way down the list of things that impact their ability to hold power with all 3 groups, and you can tell that by their candidate choices.
You are likely correct and what a sad thing that is for America. Today Biden announced a new cabinet position--Bureau of Climate Change. Put the French looking candidate in charge. Sigh.....
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You are likely correct and what a sad thing that is for America. Today Biden announced a new cabinet position--Bureau of Climate Change. Put the French looking candidate in charge. Sigh.....
What did I read this morning about that? Something like, "At least he'll be able to fly his private jet all over Eastern Europe staying in luxury chalets again."
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You are likely correct and what a sad thing that is for America. Today Biden announced a new cabinet position--Bureau of Climate Change. Put the French looking candidate in charge. Sigh.....
I guess I didn't know that presidents can just create cabinet positions on a whim. Those people draw salaries, and I thought the Congress was in charge of the budget.
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I am interested to see how some here generalize as much about the 'opposing side' as does the Left. I can entertain a worldview that good and decent people of any political persuasion can vote for the candidate of their choice, and their choice does not mean they are stupid or unprincipled.
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I am interested to see how some here generalize as much about the 'opposing side' as does the Left. I can entertain a worldview that good and decent people of any political persuasion can vote for the candidate of their choice, and their choice does not mean they are stupid or unprincipled.
It does if they vote for Marxist/Leninists/libtards and other BLM/antifa sympathizers. :old:
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I am interested to see how some here generalize as much about the 'opposing side' as does the Left. I can entertain a worldview that good and decent people of any political persuasion can vote for the candidate of their choice, and their choice does not mean they are stupid or unprincipled.
Most of the dynamic I mentioned works in both directions. Same groups, same strategies. The difference between the two sides is that the left has the media, and they have population centers with propoganda influence. So they win, based mainly on that alone, quite apart from any issues of policy. Heck, it's obvious that Trump got elected based mainly on his clever manipulation of the media. He couldn't pull it off a second time though. If you ever doubted it, these 4 years of Trump should have completely yanked the curtains away and erased any doubt about how completely and overwhelmingly biased the media are, and the election of Biden/Harris ticket should have confirmed how powerful that media is...to the point that it's all that matters. And a little strategic election fraud maybe helps too.
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Spoiler alert, I got up early today, she's in today's episode.
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There's a fight going on for the "right" to continue liking Star Wars, inside the Fandom.
On one side you have the Disney Sequel fans. They paid their $10 for a movie ticket to the new movies, are passingly familiar with the Original Trilogy after having seen on on TBS 10 years ago during family Thanksgiving, and like pink hair.
On the other side you have the pre-Disney fans. They're age segregated between Millennials, who tend to favor the Prequels, and Gen X'ers, who tend to favor the Original Trilogy. Each saw all 6 movies in theaters, most likely multiple times, are familiar with the original theatrical cut vs Lucas Edits of the OT, and probably sat in line for hours or even overnight for tickets to opening night showings. Many of them spent hundreds of dollars reading the array of novels set in the Star Wars universe, and hundreds more buying a slew of Star Wars video games titles. And some others (or even the same ones) have hundreds of dollars sunk into action figures and toys.
Most of the pre-Disney fans dislike the new movies. They also love the Mandalorian, because it brings in something new to Star Wars while respecting the legacy established canon rather than disregarding it. The Mandalorian is more popular than the Disney Sequel trilogy, and is more likely to carry canon story elements forward as a result of that. There's talk of using some dubious cartoon-level tropes from the Star Wars Rebels cartoon in order to effectively undo and erase the Sequel trilogy from the Star Wars timeline. That's a massive middle finger to Mary Sue Palpatine and Kathleen "Force is Female" Kennedy and her all female activist story group.
There are two levers being used by each group in this fight. The Disney fans are using social media and mob shaming, mostly aimed at Gina Carano, but also at the Mandalorian show in general. It's the element keeping the whole franchise afloat, that the legacy fans still like and give money to. The pre-Disney fans are mostly quiet, and use money as their weapon. Sequel trilogy toys sold like dead flies sitting on cow patties. Video games in Star Wars are hit or miss for the market. Stuff set in the OT era or Old Republic sells well, stuff set in the Disney Sequel era does poorly. De-canonizing the hundreds of Star Wars novels that we all read didn't set well with us, and we're not buying any new novels as a result. And we're not flocking to the theaters to re-watch the Sequels multiple times, or particularly ravenous to buy them on boxed media. I lost count of how many boxed sets of VHS, laser disc and DVD of the various pre-Disney 6 movies I had. And we're not going to their new Star Wars theme park, set in Sequel territory. But we are consuming the Mandalorian.
Pissing off the pre-Disney fans will torpedo the franchise, in my opinion. Destroying the Mandalorian will cause the pre-Disney fans to abandon it all together. Carano is the kind of female protagonist that the pre-Disney fans like. She plays a unique character, but her character has the same stature as Ellen Ripley or Sarah Connor or Diana Prince. I hope to see her Alderaanian arc play out through more of the show, to see some pain and some challenges and growth as a result of that. She's got a lot more to offer to the story than Mary Sue Palpatine did to the Sequel trilogy.
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^^^What an interesting analysis. I stood in line for hours to see the very first movie at the Cinerama 150 in downtown Seattle. I happen to like the Mandalorian.
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I would add that a lot of folks that like the Mandolorian probably also watched, and enjoyed, The Clone Wars. Personally I think that series actually helped out the prequel trilogy, story-wise.
But there is a group of fans that like well written story based Star Wars with engaging characters. Like AZ said, those folks didn't really engage with the sequel trilogy, but seem to like the Mandolorian. We'll see if Money or Social Media holds more sway with the Mouse when Kathleen Kennedy's replacement is announced.
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Millennials, who tend to favor the Prequels
:O
I thought the prequels were pretty universally hated? I guess I'm out of touch.
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One more thing to take note of, is the Mandalorian is a resurgence of classical masculinity as an attribute of heroism.
And it is echoed by The Witcher. Both stories rhyme quite well with each other. You have a stoic bounty hunter with no attachments anywhere, and he takes in a mystical Chosen Ward. He will need help from Wizards to train and mold his Ward so it can reach its full potential. And dark forces wish to corrupt that Ward for untoward ends. A fatherly bond is formed between the Ward and the guardian bounty hunter.
Leftist entertainment has spent 20 years pushing the bumbling incompetent urban man, and the wry and tolerant and capable woman as the heroine, as the default. The simultaneous rise of this story, in two separate venues, is due to some producers noting a societal need/hunger and providing a response to it. And the response has taken seed.
These shows will become cultural touchstones that reverberate for a generation, IMO.
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I thought the prequels were pretty universally hated? I guess I'm out of touch.
They were pretty badly panned at release, yeah. Every phase of Anakin was just... terrible.
But for the 6-10 year olds who watched the Maul duel, it was epic. Especially in comparison to the rather tame sword fights in the OT.
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I would add that a lot of folks that like the Mandolorian probably also watched, and enjoyed, The Clone Wars. Personally I think that series actually helped out the prequel trilogy, story-wise.
But there is a group of fans that like well written story based Star Wars with engaging characters. Like AZ said, those folks didn't really engage with the sequel trilogy, but seem to like the Mandolorian. We'll see if Money or Social Media holds more sway with the Mouse when Kathleen Kennedy's replacement is announced.
The Clone Wars appears to have a HUGE following with vets, particularly Marines, because they seem to identify very closely with the story of the Clones.
Once Filoni's story group noticed that, they did away with the kid-friendly nature of the show, matured Ahsoka a few years and built a good character arc for her to go through, started killing things in a way that you don't typically do in a cartoon, and wrote a fanfuckingtastic seventh season that includes an amazing quasi-movie in 4 episodes that are basically the Ahsoka movie, happening in parallel with Revenge of the Sith. For those episodes they did away with the cartoon music that was merely derivative of the Williams score, and scored the episodes using true Williams score. Animation was modified to be smoother, and motion capture was used for swordfight choreography (they brought in Ray Parks to reprise Maul's fights for the cartoons).
The Clone Troopers from the Seventh Season had immense respect and love for Ahsoka, and she for them, and I think this is a huge reason why the Mandalorian is booming. Ahsoka is more than a fan favorite, she's the embodiment of the best of the Clone Troopers and the best of the Jedi. She's a dangerous character to reintroduce with 20 years missing in her timeline that remain unestablished, but they took that risk and maintained her integrity. They didn't do that with Luke.
Edit to add: What they did to Luke Skywalker hurt a lot of huge Star Wars supernerdfans like me, pretty badly. There are bigger supernerdfans than me out there, but at my peak I had read probably 50-60 of the 90's era novels, had at least a dozen various video games set in the universe, knew the dialogue to the OT by heart, no one wanted to play the Star Wars Trivial Pursuit game with me because I knew all the source material the game was built upon, I didn't see A New Hope or ESB in theaters since I was born in 1978 but I did see the Return of the Jedi in theaters in the 80's and I camped out overnight to see the Remasters release in the 90's as well as the Prequels in the 2000's. If I had to lose memory of all fictional heroes from my youth but one, I would save Luke Skywalker.
Destroying Luke like they did, doing away with the stories with Thrawn and Mara Jade... and then giving us that pathetic cowardly hermit... was unconscionable.
And turning Han into a deadbeat dad and runaway husband was pretty awful too.
I come from a pretty dramatic and messed up family with a nasty divorce and a shitty deadbeat dad that beat my brother and I had to threaten with a knife at one point to protect him. Police, CPS and all sorts of legal proceedings were unable to protect us. I found a lot of parallels and meaning and value in the Star Wars story that meant a lot to me through all this (whether true or not, or good or not, is a discussion for another time) and destroying Luke like that does NOT sit well with me. I have a pretty visceral rejection reflex to the whole arc of the Sequel trilogy.
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Star Wars aka Ep IV: Saw in a theater first run 1977. Imperial forces were professional and rightfully feared.
ESB aka ep V: In theater first run. I consider this the best of all.
ROJ aka Ep VI: In theater first run: Lucas started to inject too much silly humor and everyone seem to be too Happy Happy Joy Joy in a war. Emperor = Wicked Witch of the West, could not take seriously. Imperial forces came across as a bunch of buffoons, clowns. Still enjoyable despite all that.
Ep I: Waited for rental DVD. Far too silly, couldn't take it seriously. Looking at you Jar-Jar.
Ep II: Waited for rental DVD. Boring. Hayden Christensen fell completely flat as Anakin, came across as a whiny brat, zero chemistry with Natalie Portman.
Ep III: Actually saw this in theater. Best of the prequels. Still the problem with Hayden Christensen though, still a whiny brat.
Okay
VII: Can you say Mary Sue? An expert at everything she touches. Can even out fight a trained Jedi after only picking up a Light Saber for the first time only seconds before. I actually liked the actress but the character was flat and boring. Ford wasted. Hamill wasted. Fisher mostly wasted. John Boyega had potential but was largely used to move the Mary Sue along in other words wasted. Kylo is now an official Disney Princess. Took me 3 start and stops to finish it.
VIII: Now we have Mary Sue X 10 with all the women being perfect flawless Mary Sues. The men all useless idiots who would be smart if and only if they listened to the women. Got woke and preachy as **** in parts. Took at least 5 start and stops to finish but I forced myself to.
IX: Haven't seen it, don't plan to. What I have seen on Youtube tells me I'm not missing much.
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So I am now wondering if I should watch the Clone Wars. I assume it is on streaming somewhere.
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Fisher mostly wasted.
Yes she was, and not just on screen.
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Clone wars and rebels are on Disney. I watched them both with my daughter well worth the time and if needed a one month subscription.
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So I am now wondering if I should watch the Clone Wars. I assume it is on streaming somewhere.
Clone Wars is my favorite Star Wars at this point. Like AZ said, it started off a little kid oriented/cartoony but the writing, animation, and story telling got a lot better. Anakin's characterization in those show helps (helps, does not completely save) Hayden's performances.
I really think the later seasons of the Clone Wars are some of the best storytelling in Star Wars. In particular Ashoka's arc and her journey from twerpy kid to awesome hero makes her one of my favorite SW characters. It also shows what could have been done with Rey if they would have allowed any room for growth.
It's on Disney+
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The proper order to watch Star Wars movies is:
A new hope
Empire strikes back
Attack of the clones
Revenge of the sith
Return of the jedi
Rogue one and Clone wars were good, but not necessary for the story arc.
The only good thing about Phantom Menace was Maul. The rest was dumb, unnecessary, and detracted from the story.
7 and 8 were a waste of time, and I haven't seen 9 or Solo.
Then there was the Holiday Special and Ewok movies ...
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The holiday special is something I would make my daughter sit and watch.
Rouge One was the best movie since Empire. Double..
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The holiday special is something I would make my daughter sit and watch.
Child abuse?
Rouge One was the best movie since Empire. Double..
Yes. I was quite surprised at how good it was.
Finally got around to watching The Mandalorian. Only about halfway through the first season right now, but overall I'm pleased. Gina Carano's badass merc character is fun to watch.
Best bit of dialogue so far:
"He was an Imperial sharpshooter."
"That's not saying much."
"I WASN'T A STORMTROOPER, WISEASS!!"
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Yes she was, and not just on screen.
IIRC she had cleaned up awhile back in that regard but the damage to her body was done.
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IIRC she had cleaned up awhile back in that regard but the damage to her body was done.
From what I've read, she had heroin and cocaine in her system at the time of her death.
I don't know how long those drugs remain in one's system after using.
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I really think the later seasons of the Clone Wars are some of the best storytelling in Star Wars. In particular Ashoka's arc and her journey from twerpy kid to awesome hero makes her one of my favorite SW characters. It also shows what could have been done with Rey if they would have allowed any room for growth.
When was "heroine" excised from the English language, and are we supposed to embrace the new androgeny of the word "hero" or is it still okay in some circles to refer to a female protagonist as a heroine?
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When was "heroine" excised from the English language, and are we supposed to embrace the new androgeny of the word "hero" or is it still okay in some circles to refer to a female protagonist as a heroine?
I don't know when. That wasn't a conscious decision on my part to not use heroine, I just consider "Hero" to be gender neutral.
FWIW, when I googled the definition Oxford Dictionary agrees with me:
he·ro
/ˈhirō/
noun
1.
a person who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities.
"a war hero"
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I don't know when. That wasn't a conscious decision on my part to not use heroine, I just consider "Hero" to be gender neutral.
FWIW, when I googled the definition Oxford Dictionary agrees with me:
I consider "hero" to be gender neutral. "Heroine" is often a damsel in distress; almost more of a plot device than a real character.
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Came across something on YT that asked "What did the Ewoks do with the dead Storm Troopers?" Which is very good question considering they were just about to cook Han and Luke.
Page turn made me lose it but it's on YT somewhere
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When was "heroine" excised from the English language, and are we supposed to embrace the new androgeny of the word "hero" or is it still okay in some circles to refer to a female protagonist as a heroine?
I guess about the same time "actress" mostly disappeared.
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I consider "hero" to be gender neutral. "Heroine" is often a damsel in distress; almost more of a plot device than a real character.
You should do your words smarter.
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Well, they canceled her.
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/gina-carano-backlash-social-media-posts-not-currently-employed-star-wars
"Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…even by children. Because history is edited, most people today don’t realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views," read the post, which was originally composed by another account.
A second post contained a photo of a person wearing cloth masks to cover their face and head with the caption: "Meanwhile in California."
That's all it takes for the SJWs, and your spineless commie employer, to lose you your job.
Also, "Abhorrent and unacceptable".
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/02/11/woke-wars-canceldisneyplus-trends-after-lucasfilm-boots-gina-carano-over-abhorrent-social-media-posts/
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The Girl Who Wouldn't Back Down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha9gO_i8B-g
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The cockroaches are in charge of the kitchen and anyone caught with their hand on the light switch will be destroyed
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Meanwhile, comparing the U.S. to Nazi Germany is a-ok:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/02/11/ben-shapiro-busts-mandalorian-star-pedro-pascal-comparing-the-u-s-to-nazi-germany-will-lucasfilm-fire-him/
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I saw that someone found an example of that Pedro Pascal fellow posting a "nazi" reference during Trump, with a fake image of caged kids. He seems to be doing okay though. What Gina posted is actually about unity and not hating your neighbor for a difference in opinion. That's what got her canceled. These people are fascists.
Edit: Angel Eyes got me by 20 seconds. :laugh:
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Pedro Pascal publicly supports his Trans sister. He is untouchable on Social Media.
*Honestly, I don't know anything about the guy outside the two characters he's played on TV. I have no reason to wish him fired. I understand the urge to point out Disney's hypocrisy, however. I may watch him in "the Last of Us" on HBO, because that game was fun, and a good TV show of it would be cool.
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https://babylonbee.com/news/gina-carano-rehired-by-disney-after-she-identifies-as-an-abusive-male-director
(https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-7973-1.jpg)
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In case anyone missed it, here is what she posted (or at least part of it).
"Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…even by children. Because history is edited, most people today don’t realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views,"
I think she may have been quoting someone else.
She is right. But the Left doesn't like being reminded the they are fascists and following in the footsteps of a group they claim to hate.
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She was also being pressured last year to put her "pronouns" in her Twitter bio. She responded by putting "boop/bop/beep" which ticked off some people. Made her real popular with the SciFi and Star Wars fans who don't like all the political correct nonsense.
Gonna have to cancel Disney Plus now. I wanted to finish WandaVision, but I guess not.
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She was also being pressured last year to put her "pronouns" in her Twitter bio.
I don't do television, or Twitter. What does "putting her pronouns" in her bio mean? Is this some new, woke trend of which I have hitherto remained blissfully unaware as a result of not doing book of faces and Twitter?
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I don't do television, or Twitter. What does "putting her pronouns" in her bio mean? Is this some new, woke trend of which I have hitherto remained blissfully unaware as a result of not doing book of faces and Twitter?
See the attached screenshot of a random Twitter Twit. Under her name, after her occupation and screen name she put her preferred pronouns, so you know she identifies as female and likes to be referred to that way. It is a woke Twitter thing so that non-binary, or folks that are just hard to figure out, don't have to be addressed in a fashion they don't like. "cis" folks are supposed to do it to show solidarity with the oppressed.
Gina was called out for not having her pronouns in her bio, and after a couple days of online hate she put "Beep/Bop/Boop" in that position. The crowd went frothing mad.
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APS member Gunsmith dropped a few of us into a BookFace discussion group a while back. Leans left. I hang on, just to keep reminding myself that such people exist.
They're discussing that now. They are (some of them) "nuckin' futz".
Yes it’s antisemitic because it supposes that Jews did something that led to the Holocaust
To be ardently pro Trump is to support spree federal executions of mostly black people, to support massive expansion of the state apparatus of enslavement, sexual abuse and murder of undocumented migrants because they aren't white, to support dog whistles for conspiracy theories that lent themselves to the Pittsburg shooting among others, and to ally with a guy with a man in a shirt that says "6 million wasn't enough."
I have, myself, wondered if this is what it was like to be a German Jew, in the early '30s when Naziism was ramping up. You look at the rhetoric and think "nobody can think that. That's just dumb."
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*Honestly, I don't know anything about the guy outside the two characters he's played on TV. I have no reason to wish him fired.
This is generally the difference between "us" and "them". I don't want someone cancelled for saying something I dislike or hate. I reserve the right to call them an ahole, but of course if they are on the left or in whatever "protected group" and I do that, I'm the one that gets cancelled.
Other than in my current station in life, it's impossible for them to cancel me. I feel sorry for everyone that works for big, woke, companies or the gov these days though, since their lives can be ruined over nothing at the snap of a virtual mob finger.
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APS member Gunsmith dropped a few of us into a BookFace discussion group a while back. Leans left. I hang on, just to keep reminding myself that such people exist.
They're discussing that now. They are (some of them) "nuckin' futz".
I have, myself, wondered if this is what it was like to be a German Jew, in the early '30s when Naziism was ramping up. You look at the rhetoric and think "nobody can think that. That's just dumb."
I think about that as well. I look back a few years and see the things a few extremists say and we always said "most people would never think that". Now some of those things are normal views on the left.
In the last few months, we have heard a few people talk about wanting to send Trump voters and conservatives to reeducation camps or worse. I would like to think that "most people would never think that", but I wonder if more of these crazy leftist will start thinking that in the near future. The self imposed echo chamber some of these people exist in where they refuse to hear any opposing views or evidence make me thing more people will think that stuff.
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See the attached screenshot of a random Twitter Twit. Under her name, after her occupation and screen name she put her preferred pronouns, so you know she identifies as female and likes to be referred to that way. It is a woke Twitter thing so that non-binary, or folks that are just hard to figure out, don't have to be addressed in a fashion they don't like. "cis" folks are supposed to do it to show solidarity with the oppressed.
Gina was called out for not having her pronouns in her bio, and after a couple days of online hate she put "Beep/Bop/Boop" in that position. The crowd went frothing mad.
Not her fault they don't speak droid.
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See the attached screenshot of a random Twitter Twit. Under her name, after her occupation and screen name she put her preferred pronouns, so you know she identifies as female and likes to be referred to that way. It is a woke Twitter thing so that non-binary, or folks that are just hard to figure out, don't have to be addressed in a fashion they don't like. "cis" folks are supposed to do it to show solidarity with the oppressed.
Gina was called out for not having her pronouns in her bio, and after a couple days of online hate she put "Beep/Bop/Boop" in that position. The crowd went frothing mad.
I thought if cis (normal) people did it, it was condescending or cultural appropriation or something.
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I think we're finally on the verge of alternative platforms heading to the mainstream. People are sick of this bullshit.
I never even knew Daily Wire had an entertainment division. It would be cool if they and others like them became real competition to the mainstream streaming services.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/02/12/they-cant-cancel-us-if-we-dont-let-them-gina-carano-is-teaming-up-with-ben-shapiro-and-daily-wire-for-new-film-project/
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I am curious if Gina's firing will last longer than James Gunn's did.
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I am curious if Gina's firing will last longer than James Gunn's did.
I'll say yes. He was a repentant progressive. She doesn't appear to be backing off.
Joss Whedon is another jackass who it seemed was only temporarily shunned for appearance sake. How a guy that can put together a show about freedom like Firefly can be such a fascist is beyond me.
At least the Firefly theme will come back to haunt the likes of him regarding the SJW reeducation camps his kind want to see us in. "You can't take the sky from me".
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The Wheedon interviews on Serenity are incredible. How can he say those things and then be such a jackwagon?
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So they fired her for saying that hatred is bad. There are not enough facepalm emoticons...
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Seen on ze book of ze faces: Babylon Bee: Disney Announces Cara Dune Will Now Be Played By Amy Schumer (https://babylonbee.com/news/lucasfilm-casts-amy-schumer-in-role-of-rebel-dropper-cara-dune)
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Side note:
Have you seen the stuff coming out this week from the Buffy cast about Whedon?
Apparently he did something that caused the crew to make a rule he was not allowed to be alone with Michelle Trachtenberg.
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Gina Carano is teaming up with The Daily Wire to make a movie.
https://nypost.com/2021/02/12/gina-carano-reportedly-has-new-project-with-the-daily-wire/ (https://nypost.com/2021/02/12/gina-carano-reportedly-has-new-project-with-the-daily-wire/)
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Gina Carano is teaming up with The Daily Wire to make a movie.
https://nypost.com/2021/02/12/gina-carano-reportedly-has-new-project-with-the-daily-wire/ (https://nypost.com/2021/02/12/gina-carano-reportedly-has-new-project-with-the-daily-wire/)
https://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=63369.msg1294106#msg1294106
=D
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I guess this makes more "sense" when you realize they don't hate her for any imagined slight against the Jews. They hate her for criticizing the Nazis.
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I guess this makes more "sense" when you realize they don't hate her for any imagined slight against the Jews. They hate her for criticizing the Nazis.
I think they hate her for the beep/boop/bop thing, then they went looking for anything they could twist to use against her.
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I thought if cis (normal) people did it, it was condescending or cultural appropriation or something.
That was last week.
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I guess this makes more "sense" when you realize they don't hate her for any imagined slight against the Jews. They hate her for criticizing the Nazis progressive demonization of legacy Americans.
Corrected for accuracy.
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Corrected for accuracy.
"Nazi" is a good label for both groups.
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Side note:
Have you seen the stuff coming out this week from the Buffy cast about Whedon?
Apparently he did something that caused the crew to make a rule he was not allowed to be alone with Michelle Trachtenberg.
Do you have a link?
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Do you have a link?
Here's one: https://www.etonline.com/eliza-dushku-sarah-michelle-gellar-and-more-buffy-stars-respond-to-joss-whedon-misconduct-160422
They keep popping up on my FB and Twitter feed.
Mrs. Mush and I were having the conversation last night that we feel less and less like consuming any TV/movies, not because of politics, but because they so many of the people that make it are trash people. We already don't watch much, but it seems like every time you turn around there's another Rapist, Pedo, or Woman Beater being unmasked that "everyone" knew about for 20 years, but they made good movies so it was ignored.
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Somebody quipped that Joss Whedon has recently been accused of male feminism.
I laughed.
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Here's one: https://www.etonline.com/eliza-dushku-sarah-michelle-gellar-and-more-buffy-stars-respond-to-joss-whedon-misconduct-160422
They keep popping up on my FB and Twitter feed.
Mrs. Mush and I were having the conversation last night that we feel less and less like consuming any TV/movies, not because of politics, but because they so many of the people that make it are trash people. We already don't watch much, but it seems like every time you turn around there's another Rapist, Pedo, or Woman Beater being unmasked that "everyone" knew about for 20 years, but they made good movies so it was ignored.
Let me encourage you to follow through with abandoning entertainment (and "news") media.
Eliminating it from your life is the intellectual and emotional equivalent of healthy eating and regular physical exercise.
See "Amusing ourselves to death" by Postman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death
This was one of the last books I read in my several year deep dive into propaganda, influence and social engineering. I can now not unsee what has been revealed, I'm still struggling to process what it all means.
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Here's one: https://www.etonline.com/eliza-dushku-sarah-michelle-gellar-and-more-buffy-stars-respond-to-joss-whedon-misconduct-160422
They keep popping up on my FB and Twitter feed.
Mrs. Mush and I were having the conversation last night that we feel less and less like consuming any TV/movies, not because of politics, but because they so many of the people that make it are trash people. We already don't watch much, but it seems like every time you turn around there's another Rapist, Pedo, or Woman Beaterdemocrat being unmasked that "everyone" knew about for 20 years, but they made good movies so it was ignored.
FTFY
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Here's one: https://www.etonline.com/eliza-dushku-sarah-michelle-gellar-and-more-buffy-stars-respond-to-joss-whedon-misconduct-160422
They keep popping up on my FB and Twitter feed.
Mrs. Mush and I were having the conversation last night that we feel less and less like consuming any TV/movies, not because of politics, but because they so many of the people that make it are trash people. We already don't watch much, but it seems like every time you turn around there's another Rapist, Pedo, or Woman Beater being unmasked that "everyone" knew about for 20 years, but they made good movies so it was ignored.
Makes you wonder about a certain tv producer for children's shows who has been endlessly memed and mocked by /pol/.
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(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2021/02/918/516/cartoon.2.15.21-xx.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
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After Gina Carano was let go From the mandalorian rumors are swirling Pedro Pascal is leaving next & season 3 may be in doubt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G40rVeFkqoc
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It would not surprise me to learn that there were some people that were hoping for that to show the Toxic Fanbase what happens if you like the wrong kind of Star Wars.
It will also not surprise me to find out that (if that is true) in a month or two they call Gina up and offer her a "James Gunn" rather than abort their shared TV show universe this early.
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It will also not surprise me to find out that (if that is true) in a month or two they call Gina up and offer her a "James Gunn" rather than abort their shared TV show universe this early.
From what I have read about her since this started, I can't see her accepting any offer from Disney, especially since it would likely come with "apology" caveats (meaning she, not Disney, would have to do an apology sideshow). I mean, it's Hollywood, so I may be wrong, but for someone in Hollywood, she seems to be a straight shooter.
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I can see her telling them off as well.
For one thing, she's not really from "Hollywood". MMA fighters tend to be less likely to take being *expletive deleted*it than struggling actors. I guess it would depend on what they offered her and how much she liked Star Wars.
On the flip side, after all this, if she ever does any Star Wars again at all, it's clearly a win for her. They dumped her, didn't tell her and let her find out on social media, then came crawling back. No way to spin that, although I'm sure Lucasfilm would try.
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(https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/065/961/809/original/7dce2b4c2cb67e78.png)
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I think bringing her back would mean there was a change in leadership at Lucas film which I don't expect to happen.
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https://www.change.org/p/walt-disney-disney-rehire-gina-carano
If they can cite powerless petitions as proof of overwhelming support, so can we. =D
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https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/gina-carano-popular-star-world-firing/
And
https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/02/17/days-after-she-fired-gina-carano-youtubers-roast-star-wars-head-kathleen-kennedy-praising-women-in-oscars-video/
Make for some great popcorn. [popcorn] [popcorn]
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"Disney: Would you rehire Gina if she identified as a Chinese concentration camp guard?"
:rofl:
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"Disney: Would you rehire Gina if she identified as a Chinese concentration camp guard?"
:rofl:
Yikes! That burned so hard it deorbitted.
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Ben Shapiro interviews Gina Carano:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxObG659Sc0
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Ben Shapiro interviews Gina Carano:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxObG659Sc0
Great interview.
Gina is awesome.
Death to Mickey Mouse.
I can't believe Disney demanded she do a Zoom where it was her vs 40 Disney lqdtbg employees that wanted her fired. That's supposed to be inclusive and unifying?
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Great interview.
Gina is awesome.
Death to Mickey Mouse.
I can't believe Disney demanded she do a Zoom where it was her vs 40 Disney lqdtbg employees that wanted her fired. That's supposed to be inclusive and unifying?
How very literally communist of them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_session (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_session)
Struggle sessions were a form of public humiliation and torture used by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) at various times in the Mao era, particularly during the years immediately before and after the establishment of the People's Republic of China (PRC) and during the Cultural Revolution. The aim of struggle sessions was to shape public opinion, as well as to humiliate, persecute, or execute political rivals and those deemed class enemies.[1]
In general, the victim of a struggle session was forced to admit various crimes before a crowd of people who would verbally and physically abuse the victim until they confessed. Struggle sessions were often held at the workplace of the accused, but they were sometimes conducted in sports stadiums where large crowds would gather if the target was well-known.[1]
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How very literally communist of them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_session (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_session)
Wow.
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I'm so glad corporate America has become so tolerant and welcoming.
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Wow.
https://youtu.be/9L0dPKpfHRA (https://youtu.be/9L0dPKpfHRA)
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Great interview.
Gina is awesome.
Death to Mickey Mouse.
I can't believe Disney demanded she do a Zoom where it was her vs 40 Disney lqdtbg employees that wanted her fired. That's supposed to be inclusive and unifying?
Gina is awesome, but ...
Good grief! Aside from the fact that Shapiro talks like a 45 RPM record being played at 78 RPM, I never realized before just how nasal and irritating his voice is. I can't listen to it -- I had to shut the video down at the first commercial break.
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Gina is awesome, but ...
Good grief! Aside from the fact that Shapiro talks like a 45 RPM record being played at 78 RPM, I never realized before just how nasal and irritating his voice is. I can't listen to it -- I had to shut the video down at the first commercial break.
Yeah. I've gotten used to it, so it don't really notice it anymore. It's amazing how some people with not-so-pleasant voices can thrive in that business.
https://youtu.be/eTrW1YEMEcY?t=53
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Gina is awesome, but ...
Good grief! Aside from the fact that Shapiro talks like a 45 RPM record being played at 78 RPM, I never realized before just how nasal and irritating his voice is. I can't listen to it -- I had to shut the video down at the first commercial break.
Yeah, he's a smart guy, but he's one of those scholarly fellows that is better read than listened to. :laugh:
People can't help how they sound, but you definitely have to get used to that voice.
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Great interview.
Gina is awesome.
Death to Mickey Mouse.
I can't believe Disney demanded she do a Zoom where it was her vs 40 Disney lqdtbg employees that wanted her fired. That's supposed to be inclusive and unifying?
I heard someone ask "How do they know all those employees are LGBTQ? Do they keep a list or something?"
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I heard someone ask "How do they know all those employees are LGBTQ? Do they keep a list or something?"
Disney apparently has a dedicated lgbtq department, so I would guess the inquisition board would have been made up of the more militant employees that interact with that department.
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When attacking your message fails they attack you. When that fails they start attacking your family
Gina Carano’s Family Is “Deeply Rooted” in Nevada Casinos With a $725M Value Stake
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/gina-carano-e2-80-99s-family-is-e2-80-9cdeeply-rooted-e2-80-9d-in-nevada-casinos-with-a-24725m-value-stake/ar-BB1dQ1VA
Get her family! Lucasfilm shills target Gina Carano's personal life! Disney Star Wars is a joke!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35UrqB3ULCw
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When attacking your message fails they attack you. When that fails they start attacking your family
Gina Carano’s Family Is “Deeply Rooted” in Nevada Casinos With a $725M Value Stake
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/gina-carano-e2-80-99s-family-is-e2-80-9cdeeply-rooted-e2-80-9d-in-nevada-casinos-with-a-24725m-value-stake/ar-BB1dQ1VA
Get her family! Lucasfilm shills target Gina Carano's personal life! Disney Star Wars is a joke!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35UrqB3ULCw
Expected transition from specific Jew to the Jew's family and then all Jews generally.
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Now they're after Rosario Dawson for "misgendering" a trans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRnJIZ5OawM
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Now they're after Rosario Dawson for misgendering a trans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRnJIZ5OawM
I'm guessing you meant to say she properly "gendered" a trans.
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I'm guessing you meant to say she properly "gendered" a trans.
Forgot the quotes
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When attacking your message fails they attack you. When that fails they start attacking your family
Gina Carano’s Family Is “Deeply Rooted” in Nevada Casinos With a $725M Value Stake
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/gina-carano-e2-80-99s-family-is-e2-80-9cdeeply-rooted-e2-80-9d-in-nevada-casinos-with-a-24725m-value-stake/ar-BB1dQ1VA
Get her family! Lucasfilm shills target Gina Carano's personal life! Disney Star Wars is a joke!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35UrqB3ULCw
They gonna *expletive deleted*ck around and find out. Italian, Vegas, and more than enough money to hire a hitman yes that’s the path they should go down. Get woke and get smoked.
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And then they attack anyone you dated
Henry Cavill fans are shocked to find out he once dated Gina Carano
https://netflixlife.com/2021/02/18/henry-cavill-gina-carano-dated-mandalorian/
Henry Cavill Is Cancelled! Weirdos Find Out He Dated Gina Carano 10 Years Ago & Demand Consequences
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD5S-SMYEV8
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And then they attack anyone you dated
Henry Cavill fans are shocked to find out he once dated Gina Carano
https://netflixlife.com/2021/02/18/henry-cavill-gina-carano-dated-mandalorian/
Henry Cavill Is Cancelled! Weirdos Find Out He Dated Gina Carano 10 Years Ago & Demand Consequences
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD5S-SMYEV8
People SHOULD be shocked, except the other way around. Cavill is a flaming SJW.
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Only SJW NPCs could look at Gina Carano, and wonder about her pronouns.
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Only SJW NPCs could look at Gina Carano, and wonder about her pronouns.
I know. Beep/bop/boop ... couldn’t be more clear.
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I know. Beep/bop/boop ... couldn’t be more clear.
Doesn't get any more clear than droid (machine language), what's the problem?
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I just saw that Roku has a Bruce Willis and Gina Carano movie, Extraction. Not great cinema by any means. It is kind of funny that Carano and company are trying to disarm a doomsday device with something called "the patriarch key."
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Looks like they are deleting her from everything. I was unaware that Discovery was owned by Disney.
https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/disney-pulls-gina-carano-episode-running-wild-bear-grylls/
I saw that Netflix pulled two Carano movies last month. That might have just been the usual "end of month" rotation, but timing was coincidental.
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Necro update with 1000% more irony. Disney want's Gina's lawsuit dismissed, citing their first amendment rights.
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/04/10/ironic-disney-files-to-dismiss-gina-carano-lawsuit-citing-first-amendment-n2394964
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Free speech for me, but not for thee.