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Title: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: K Frame on January 06, 2021, 02:53:53 PM
Apparently protestors have breached Capitol security and are in the building to the point where they've deployed tear gas IN the rotunda of the US Capitol.

There are alleged pipe bombs in the Capitol.

The mayor of Washington has declared a 6 pm to 6 am curfew.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/live-updates-pence-has-power-to-block-certification-trump-says

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 06, 2021, 02:55:52 PM
*expletive deleted*ck it, let it all burn.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: lee n. field on January 06, 2021, 03:06:24 PM
Yep, burn it to the ground.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: HankB on January 06, 2021, 03:06:57 PM
Battle of Athens, Part II? (Seems to be a LOT more peaceful than what happened then.)

The commentators are going on about how the protestors are undermining the Constitutional process - but I can't help but wonder about how many of them were equally upset about states that unconstitutionally changed their voting procedures without their legislatures doing it as provided for in the Constitution. 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: bedlamite on January 06, 2021, 03:11:38 PM
Inside the capitol building:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os1WD6-DXK8
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: K Frame on January 06, 2021, 03:11:59 PM
(https://images.spot.im/image/upload/v200/2290b77986b2ea735e10b0f8002b5ee0)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: bedlamite on January 06, 2021, 03:12:52 PM
Apparently someone was just shot.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on January 06, 2021, 03:21:34 PM
I thought police didn't shoot rioters/protestors?  Are these not the right kind of rioters/protestors?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: K Frame on January 06, 2021, 03:22:07 PM
I guess it depends on if they're mostly peaceful rioters or not.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RocketMan on January 06, 2021, 03:32:25 PM
We'll be getting new gun control legislation to the max now.  The Dems will not hold back, they'll give it to us good and hard.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RocketMan on January 06, 2021, 03:39:20 PM
Apparently protestors have breached Capitol security and are in the building to the point where they've deployed tear gas IN the rotunda of the US Capitol.

There are alleged pipe bombs in the Capitol.

The mayor of Washington has declared a 6 pm to 6 am curfew.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/live-updates-pence-has-power-to-block-certification-trump-says

It's surprising to me that anyone on the right thought these protests were really going to sway any of the legislators' opinions.  I suspect it will change some squishy GOP opinions now, just not in the direction they were hoping for.  Lots of GOP legislators think we proles just need to stay in our place and not disagree with our betters.
Regardless, the left is in complete control of Congress, and their opinions were already set hard.  They are just going to dig their heels in even deeper now.
However, as others have said, they can burn it all down as far as I'm concerned.  That would be a satisfying sight.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: K Frame on January 06, 2021, 03:51:24 PM
And here comes the National Guard.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: bedlamite on January 06, 2021, 03:57:24 PM
Unconfirmed reports of pipe bomb found at RNC HQ, suspicious package at DNC HQ, both evacuated.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 06, 2021, 03:58:44 PM
We'll be getting new gun control legislation to the max now.  The Dems will not hold back, they'll give it to us good and hard.

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It's surprising to me that anyone on the right thought these protests were really going to sway any of the legislators' opinions.  I suspect it will change some squishy GOP opinions now, just not in the direction they were hoping for.  Lots of GOP legislators think we proles just need to stay in our place and not disagree with our betters.

Yup, after watching some of the videos from inside the building and reading comments by GOP reps, some kind of gun control is going to be put forward post haste, and GOP legislators will vote for it. Especially so if the gunshot that happened came from a protestor (I haven't yet heard if LE fired or a protestor did).

This violence was unexpected to me. I knew there were a lot of people as mad as I was about an obviously stolen election, but not this mad. I suspect that a majority of status quo "conservative" legislators saying, "Oh well, that's the way the ball bounces" contributed in a big way to this unexpected (to me) violence from the right.


ETA: [Big, humongous, tinfoil hat on my head] Are we sure the violence is really from the right, and not from antifa types that embedded themselves in the protest to impersonate "right wing militias"? It wouldn't take many of them to start something, and then get some on edge real right wing protestors to just lemming along. I might be reading too much Kurt Schlichter.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: bedlamite on January 06, 2021, 03:59:50 PM
(I haven't yet heard if LE fired or a protestor did).


Capitol police shot a female protester in the neck.

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 06, 2021, 04:10:04 PM
Hmm...

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
@AOC
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Dec 2, 2020
The whole point of protesting is to make ppl uncomfortable.

Activists take that discomfort w/ the status quo & advocate for concrete policy changes. Popular support often starts small & grows.

To folks who complain protest demands make others uncomfortable... that’s the point.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 06, 2021, 04:16:31 PM
"May you live in interesting times"
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: dogmush on January 06, 2021, 04:19:52 PM
Capitol police shot a female protester in the neck.



Police shot unarmed peaceful protester? We we know what comes next. Time to burn things and demand judgment against the jack booted thugs.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: BobR on January 06, 2021, 04:20:29 PM
Capitol police shot a female protester in the neck.



Through a door, possibly.

bob
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RocketMan on January 06, 2021, 04:33:43 PM
What little GOP congressional support existed to reverse the stolen election just evaporated.  I expect nearly all the GOP critters will vote to accept the electoral college votes for Biden.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 06, 2021, 04:36:03 PM
Think I'm going to go shopping at Sam's and stock up on booze. It's going to be long year
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: cordex on January 06, 2021, 04:37:31 PM
Left violently riots - everyone moves to the left.
Right violently riots - everyone moves to the left.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: T.O.M. on January 06, 2021, 04:48:08 PM
Not seeing a lot of COVID-19 masks...
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on January 06, 2021, 04:55:06 PM
Not seeing a lot of COVID-19 masks...
Protests/riots don't spread COVID.  Wasn't that a 2020 lesson?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on January 06, 2021, 04:56:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkTzdubV6J4
Donut Operator is live talking about it. 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on January 06, 2021, 05:00:46 PM


ETA: [Big, humongous, tinfoil hat on my head] Are we sure the violence is really from the right, and not from antifa types that embedded themselves in the protest to impersonate "right wing militias"? It wouldn't take many of them to start something, and then get some on edge real right wing protestors to just lemming along. I might be reading too much Kurt Schlichter.


https://www.facebook.com/erika.lake/posts/10158931676933695

Some of the "Trump Supporters" have hammer/sickle tattoos on their hands and been social media tagged at antifa protests elsewhere.


EDIT:  Evidently it's not a hammer/sickle.  It's a tattoo called an Outsider's Mark from a video game called Dishonored.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 06, 2021, 05:04:00 PM
https://www.facebook.com/erika.lake/posts/10158931676933695

Some of the "Trump Supporters" have hammer/sickle tattoos on their hands and been social media tagged at antifa protests elsewhere.

That's almost exactly out of Schlichter's latest novel.

Not to completely buy into my own paranoia, but there seemed to be a much greater than normal number of Gadsden flags than at other protests I've seen.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: zxcvbob on January 06, 2021, 05:07:40 PM
All that *expletive deleted*it they piled up won't really burn; they know that but don't seem to know what to do next.  (helpful hint: you put an old tire doused with a little kerosene on top and burn *that*)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Kingcreek on January 06, 2021, 05:25:32 PM
Unconfirmed reports that the worst of the protestors are Antifa wolves in MAGA clothing.
Interesting...
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Boomhauer on January 06, 2021, 05:28:00 PM
Half a year of cities burning under the guise of “peaceful protesting” and you get this.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: bedlamite on January 06, 2021, 05:38:17 PM
More livestream:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cexjkBtdetU
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Nick1911 on January 06, 2021, 05:57:04 PM
Major news networks seem to have no problem calling this a riot.  Unbiased reporting indeed.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 06, 2021, 06:04:16 PM
They should has started chanting communist slogans while throwing molotov cocktails, the media would have gone home after reporting nothing to see here.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 06, 2021, 06:12:30 PM
This guy looks a little more antifa than trumper with the hippie hair and skinny jeans.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErE65taXEAU3dxw?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Boomhauer on January 06, 2021, 06:20:54 PM
The left just needs to chill. This is what insurance is for. Rioting is the language of the unheard
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: BobR on January 06, 2021, 06:46:10 PM
Capitol police shot a female protester in the neck.



This has video. Who is the guy in the back with a weapon? Looks like glass on the floor.  A few questions here and the truth will never come out.

https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2021/01/06/graphic-video-woman-shot-in-the-neck-inside-capitol-building/

bob
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 06, 2021, 06:49:14 PM
DC police confirm that the woman has died.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 06, 2021, 06:58:33 PM
Unconfirmed reports of pipe bomb found at RNC HQ, suspicious package at DNC HQ, both evacuated.

The reports are confirmed:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/06/us/electoral-vote#an-explosive-device-is-found-at-the-rnc-and-the-dnc-is-evacuated

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An explosive device was found at the headquarters of the Republican National Committee in Washington and the nearby headquarters of the Democratic National Committee was evacuated after the discovery of a suspicious package on Wednesday, according to three people briefed on the discoveries.

The device that was found at the R.N.C. was a pipe bomb that was successfully destroyed by a bomb squad, according to an official for the R.N.C.

The package at the D.N.C. has yet to be identified, according to a top Democrat briefed on the matter who was not authorized to speak publicly about it.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 06, 2021, 07:05:37 PM
The moment when things went sideways:  https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1346966514990149639
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 06, 2021, 07:20:40 PM
https://twitter.com/MrElefantes/status/1346972137568030722

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Twitter says Trump's account has been locked for 12 hours, and any future violations will result in permanent termination.
5:09 PM · Jan 6, 2021

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 06, 2021, 07:28:41 PM
Rep. Ilhan Omar says she’s drawing up Articles of Impeachment as ‘a matter of preserving our Republic’
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/06/rep-ilhan-omar-says-shes-drawing-up-articles-of-impeachment-as-a-matter-of-preserving-our-republic/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 06, 2021, 07:43:45 PM
https://twitter.com/MrElefantes/status/1346972137568030722



Precisely why we need to stop relying so heavily on social media to "fact check" what we can and cannot see. Twitter needs to be destroyed, and not because they locked out Trump.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 06, 2021, 07:48:37 PM
DC police confirm that the woman has died.


https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/01/06/confirmed-woman-shot-in-capitol-has-died-speaker-nancy-pelosi-says-joint-session-will-reconvene-tonight/

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One woman who was shot during the unrest in the Capitol has died, Washington's Metropolitan Police Department confirmed to HuffPost. The department could not confirm if she was shot by law enforcement.

Can't confirm, or won't confirm at this time? Were LE weapons fired? That's a good place to start.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RocketMan on January 06, 2021, 08:01:57 PM
What we need now is a good, old fashioned alien invasion.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MillCreek on January 06, 2021, 08:05:53 PM
Until this very moment, I did not know that the District of Columbia has a National Guard unit.  I would have thought they were too small to staff a NG unit.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on January 06, 2021, 08:06:32 PM
This almost seems appropriate.
(https://i.imgur.com/PAHbDpe.jpg)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on January 06, 2021, 08:09:19 PM
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/01/06/confirmed-woman-shot-in-capitol-has-died-speaker-nancy-pelosi-says-joint-session-will-reconvene-tonight/

Can't confirm, or won't confirm at this time? Were LE weapons fired? That's a good place to start.

They won't attribute the death to law enforcement until an autopsy is done and the bullet recovered (if it's even still in her).

Kinda wondering if the Right will lay off the cop fellatio when it's apparent that "just following orders" is the strategy, and the legal system will allow them to kill Righties with the same impunity as Lefties.

Pics make it appear that the cop shot through the glass, which would have been a blind shot since it is opaque.  Though it is possible that the protesters had already broken the window prior to the gunshots, I admit that.  Regardless, shooting someone through an intact and functioning barrier is not a legitimate claim for self defense IMO.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Nick1911 on January 06, 2021, 08:13:05 PM
Gotta say... I don't really get it.  What did that accomplish?  How did today advance the cause of the people briefly seized the capitol building?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on January 06, 2021, 08:13:53 PM
This almost seems appropriate.
(https://i.imgur.com/PAHbDpe.jpg)

Dude was a Democrat not long ago.  And he's a New Yorker.

Honestly I don't think it's possible to be a conservative and live within 500 miles of the Atlantic Ocean.  Those people over there have things so tossed up and over they might as well be extras in that South Park introretrogestion (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=introretrogestion) episode.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on January 06, 2021, 08:16:53 PM
Dude was a Democrat not long ago.  And he's a New Yorker.

Honestly I don't think it's possible to be a conservative and live within 500 miles of the Atlantic Ocean.  Those people over there have things so tossed up and over they might as well be extras in that South Park introretrogestion (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=introretrogestion) episode.
Yeah, but he just fanned the flames.  Any self destruction they did to themselves.  If he was faking it, just shows how weak the party really was.  They were trying to anoint Jeb Bush of all people.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 06, 2021, 08:32:07 PM
Scott Adams weighs in:  https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1346972109390548992

More sympathetic to the protestors than I expected.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Lennyjoe on January 06, 2021, 08:39:21 PM
I just wish our patriotic brothers and sisters would of beat down the Antifa agitators as they seen them causing the damage.

 https://twitter.com/ingrahamangle/status/1346979377150648320?s=21 (https://twitter.com/ingrahamangle/status/1346979377150648320?s=21)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 06, 2021, 09:52:26 PM
A minor point: do you think Congresswoman-elect Boebert will still be allowed to carry her pistol in the Capitol?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 06, 2021, 09:56:42 PM
A minor point: do you think Congresswoman-elect Boebert will still be allowed to carry her pistol in the Capitol?


That very question went through my head earlier
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 06, 2021, 10:07:06 PM
CBS News claims that Trump's cabinet is considering invoking the 25th Amendment to remove him:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/06/trumps-cabinet-considering-invoking-25th-amendment-cbs-news-reports-again/

For now, file it under rumor or wishful thinking.

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MillCreek on January 06, 2021, 10:12:30 PM
A minor point: do you think Congresswoman-elect Boebert will still be allowed to carry her pistol in the Capitol?


Or will a whole bunch of Congresspeople start carrying in the Capitol?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: TommyGunn on January 06, 2021, 10:59:00 PM
CBS News claims that Trump's cabinet is considering invoking the 25th Amendment to remove him:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/06/trumps-cabinet-considering-invoking-25th-amendment-cbs-news-reports-again/

For now, file it under rumor or wishful thinking.

Oh yea,  I mean, two weeks before he's out of office, all of a sudden,  he needs to be removed via 25th amendment.  :facepalm: 

Clown World.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: zxcvbob on January 06, 2021, 11:01:26 PM
The cabinet can consider all they want; they can't do anything w/o the vice-president signing-off on it.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Blakenzy on January 06, 2021, 11:06:34 PM
I would say that when a representative republic cannot hold elections without this level of distrust and uncertainty, and congress can't hold congressional proceedings without barricading doors and shooting people... well the system is failed and walking dead.

I think that we are witnessing "the day" the USA fell. The storming of Capitol Hill is for the US sort of what the tearing down of the Berlin wall was for the Soviets.

China! rising  :police:
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: TommyGunn on January 06, 2021, 11:31:03 PM
I sooooo hope you're wrong, Blakenzy.  Unfortunatly,   for a number of years I've had the feeling that this country was getting closer to some type of ...... dystopic event that would cause a nasty schizm in America ......  :'( 

I somehow doubt the current president-elect has the ability or wisdom to solve the problem and redirect our country's current path.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: bedlamite on January 07, 2021, 12:45:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkTzdubV6J4
Donut Operator is live talking about it. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqbtarPfn8c

 =D
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 07, 2021, 01:44:15 AM
A minor point: do you think Congresswoman-elect Boebert will still be allowed to carry her pistol in the Capitol?


She has already been told that she cannot.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 07, 2021, 01:45:35 AM
I would say that when a representative republic cannot hold elections without this level of distrust and uncertainty, and congress can't hold congressional proceedings without barricading doors and shooting people... well the system is failed and walking dead.

I think that we are witnessing "the day" the USA fell. The storming of Capitol Hill is for the US sort of what the tearing down of the Berlin wall was for the Soviets.


Quoted for truth.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 07, 2021, 03:42:51 AM
Blue helmet wearing cop pushes a man off a ledge to his death.

https://files.catbox.moe/8p64t7.mp4 (https://files.catbox.moe/8p64t7.mp4)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fly320s on January 07, 2021, 06:40:27 AM
Blue helmet wearing cop pushes a man off a ledge to his death.

https://files.catbox.moe/8p64t7.mp4 (https://files.catbox.moe/8p64t7.mp4)

Looks like a 15-20 foot fall.  Did the guy really die?

Nothing in the news about his death.  The news says four people died: the one lady who was shot and three others who had personal medical emergencies.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: K Frame on January 07, 2021, 07:03:29 AM
So....

These were riots.

I guess to have mostly peaceful protests you need more arson and looting.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 07, 2021, 07:45:51 AM
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Ian Miles Cheong
@stillgray
·
6h
The riot organizers will likely be charged with the death of Ashli Babbitt.

It will be interesting to see if this is the case. I read confirmation that the police shot her.

It has been a bit disgusting for me to see the people who were excusing/supporting/cheering antifa now suddenly finding the need to punish rioters at all costs. The hypocricy makes me want to vomit.

Also all the conservative legislators that were rightly questioning all the fishy stuff during the election now doing a 180, I'm guessing to save their careers, though they may have misidentified their audience.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 07, 2021, 07:51:01 AM
And here we go, we need a moderate conservative for 2024.  ;/

The swamp refills to capacity pretty quickly, it seems.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/01/06/romney-2024-mitt-romney-called-a-towering-figure-in-modern-american-history-after-floor-speech/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 07, 2021, 07:59:56 AM
"Pearl Harbor".

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/01/06/sen-chuck-schumer-compares-storming-of-the-capitol-to-pearl-harbor/

I'm starting to feel like this guy:

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Pearl Harbor?! Seriously? I’m so done with absolutely every single politician

Part two of my three part plan for living through the death of America - laying low in the sticks and being an outlaw against progressive laws - sounds about right for me these days.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: bedlamite on January 07, 2021, 08:06:50 AM
So....

These were riots.

I guess to have mostly peaceful protests you need more arson and looting.

(https://irate4x4.com/filedata/fetch?id=261338)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: lee n. field on January 07, 2021, 08:12:47 AM
And the MSM has been telling people for years that the biggest threat to the country is right wing extremism, and (lately) "Christian nationalism", whatever that is.  So, roll in the tanks.



Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 07, 2021, 08:38:59 AM
The woman killed was a 14 year AF veteran. Just to show how things can get twisted I've seen comments where people are foaming at the mouth that they shot a 14 year old.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 07, 2021, 08:49:07 AM
*Post removed by me due to it should have been in another thread
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on January 07, 2021, 08:54:17 AM
The globalist Uni-Party is not happy.

It's good to see all the fake Republicans/conservatives out themselves.

Trump the court jester continues to trigger all the fakes and phonies on the "right" to unmask themselves as sycophants to the globalist Uni-Party.

Actually a very healthy development.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: fifth_column on January 07, 2021, 10:10:55 AM
This guy looks a little more antifa than trumper with the hippie hair and skinny jeans.



I've come to believe anything is possible, regardless of how tinfoil-hattish it might be. For example, these guys look like they got swept up in the moment while on their way to some gaming convention:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50810772102_1d6f7de6d0_m.jpg)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RocketMan on January 07, 2021, 10:14:12 AM
I've seen a picture of the horn guy at an antifa riot.  He was in a leadership role supposedly.  One of those things that make you go, "Hmmm..."
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: fifth_column on January 07, 2021, 10:15:49 AM
This has video. Who is the guy in the back with a weapon? Looks like glass on the floor.  A few questions here and the truth will never come out.

https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2021/01/06/graphic-video-woman-shot-in-the-neck-inside-capitol-building/

bob

The guy with the rifle almost looks like he's signaling to someone behind the door in this frame:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50810657896_13e41e705b_m.jpg)

It's a lousy image and hard to tell what exactly is going on, but like I said, the fact that it's tinfoil-hattery doesn't necessarily make it untrue.  And as you said, we'll probably never really know, more's the pity.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MillCreek on January 07, 2021, 10:19:57 AM
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/07/facebook-posts/face-painted-man-horned-fur-cap-capitol-riot-suppo/

The guy in the horns supports both the President and QAnon.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 07, 2021, 10:30:37 AM
I've seen a picture of the horn guy at an antifa riot.  He was in a leadership role supposedly.  One of those things that make you go, "Hmmm..."

No, you've seen a picture of horn guy at a counter protest, the picture YOU saw had the Q "Trust the plan" sign photoshopped out.

Is it really hard to believe that these people could be responsible for their own actions, and be on the right?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 07, 2021, 10:33:27 AM
Some people did something
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on January 07, 2021, 10:37:29 AM
Demonstrations and riots aren't how I roll, but I'm having a hard time getting exercised over what was a mostly peaceful show of support.

The fanatics do what fanatics do and I find what the Democrats and Republicans are doing to the USA far more insulting than the actions of a minority of overzealous Trump supporters acting out in defiance of the Uni-Party.


Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: fifth_column on January 07, 2021, 10:38:09 AM
My days of not taking humanity seriously are certainly coming to a middle.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 07, 2021, 10:40:27 AM
AP is saying 4 dead
https://www.wlky.com/article/trump-supporters-flood-dc-to-protest-election/35141408

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Wednesday included a woman who was shot by the U.S. Capitol Police, as well as three others who died in “medical emergencies.”

"medical emergencies". The MSM sure do love to push the body count up when it's the right
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 07, 2021, 10:48:22 AM
Is it really hard to believe that these people could be responsible for their own actions, and be on the right?

If they did it, which they did, they are indeed responsible for their own actions. My tinfoil question from earlier still stands though: Could there have been some antifa plants that actually started the herd moving? The people that stormed in are still responsible for doing so, but would they have done so if a few "leaders" didn't start the stampede and egg people on? This is just not what we have seen at any pro-Trump or pro-conservative rally in the past.

There are just a lot of images of people who, other than a Trump hat or Gadsden flag, look they they just walked out of a CHOP.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 07, 2021, 10:50:38 AM
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Arthur Chu
@arthur_affect
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Ashley Babbitt feeding the worms is one of the few good things that happened as a result of the Capitol "protest" and if you feel the need to mourn her Nazi ass it'll be easier for both of us if you unfollow me now
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 07, 2021, 10:56:21 AM


(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/200/368/147.jpg)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 07, 2021, 11:04:02 AM
If they did it, which they did, they are indeed responsible for their own actions. My tinfoil question from earlier still stands though: Could there have been some antifa plants that actually started the herd moving? The people that stormed in are still responsible for doing so, but would they have done so if a few "leaders" didn't start the stampede and egg people on? This is just not what we have seen at any pro-Trump or pro-conservative rally in the past.

There are just a lot of images of people who, other than a Trump hat or Gadsden flag, look they they just walked out of a CHOP.

The "leaders" were people like Nick Fuentes and such who livestreamed themselves urging people on

Is it realy that hard to believe that people who follow Q on 4chan and believe that a shadowy cabal of satanists control everything might look like CHOP types?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 07, 2021, 11:08:16 AM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50810657896_13e41e705b_m.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjUmULa0R-8

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 07, 2021, 11:11:28 AM
The "leaders" were people like Nick Fuentes and such who livestreamed themselves urging people on

Is it realy that hard to believe that people who follow Q on 4chan and believe that a shadowy cabal of satanists control everything might look like CHOP types?

No, but I more expect the radical Trump people to look and act like (I can't find the video of him acting like an ass anymore) the guy who went to Pelosi's office to "scratch his balls". I also expect that people like him are the lemmings. He wouldn't have had the balls to do that if somebody hadn't "opened the gates" as it were.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 07, 2021, 11:15:45 AM
No, but I more expect the radical Trump people to look and act like (I can't find the video of him acting like an ass anymore) the guy who went to Pelosi's office to "scratch his balls". I also expect that people like him are the lemmings. He wouldn't have had the balls to do that if somebody hadn't "opened the gates" as it were.


Here's what happened. Anything else is cope and hope.

For a LONG time, people associated with trump, and trump himself, have been giving a platform to , for lack of a better term, maniacs. These folks have been pumping conspiracy theories about shadow government and the deep state, etc.

Normal people have been sharing it on social media, pumping it up and churning it into a frenzy.

A large chunk of those types of people went to the capitol yesterday

And after FOUR YEARS of this type of stuff  ( DONT FORGET TO TRUST THE PLAN!!!!!111111oneoneoneeleventy) , they did something monumentally stupid

And now, people on the right who have been Larping about "1776!" "Tree of Liberty!" "WHY DONT ANYONE RESIST THIS TYRANNY" are like:

"Wait a minute... we didnt ACTUALLY want someone to do somethign! it must have been antifa!"


It's pathetic. Legions of trump supporters spent four years in LARP conspiracy theory land, while the democrats actually went out and pursued votes, instead of "Trusting the plan! Where we go 1, we go all!" nonsense.

And if the dems DID cheat, the Right LET IT HAPPEN, because "Q SAID THE FRAUD WILL BE REVEALED" so they LAID DOWN AND DIDNT DO A GODDAMN THING ABOUT IT.

Then, someone DID go do something about it, and now yall are like "antifa! antifa!"
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 07, 2021, 11:22:44 AM
Mark Zuckerberg just banned President Trump from using Facebook and Instagram for the remainder of his term
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/07/mark-zuckerberg-just-banned-president-trump-from-using-facebook-and-instagram-for-the-remainder-of-his-term/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 07, 2021, 11:23:29 AM
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    REPORT: President Trump has regained access to his Twitter account https://t.co/AIxGlMKFcG

    — Twitchy Team (@TwitchyTeam) January 7, 2021
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: cordex on January 07, 2021, 11:29:13 AM
In case I wasn't clear previously, I don't like mobs violently storming the Capital, whether they are doing so because they don't like a particular supreme court justice or the results of an election.  I have been saying for months that the lesson being learned from the police responses to the BLM/Antifa riots was that if you have enough friends and are willing to be violent the police will back down.  I have been concerned that this kind of thing would happen, and now that it has I'm completely unsurprised.

The people who were silent or supportive during the months of BLM/Antifa riots have no moral standing to speak out in any respect against the Capital insurrection.  I will dismiss outright everyone who defended BLM/Antifa during their mayhem but are suddenly preaching law and order.  In much the same way I dismiss outright the people who were on an anti-Trump intifada for the past four years claiming he stole the presidency and that he is an illegitimate president and a racist and a fascist dictator, and pushing Russia conspiracy theories who now are calling for unity under Biden and condemning any question about his election as mere conspiracy theories.

On the other hand, I do respect and will listen to those who have been consistently anti-mob-violence.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 07, 2021, 11:40:16 AM
The woman who was shot is Ashli Babbitt, an Air Force veteran:

https://heavy.com/news/ashli-babbit/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on January 07, 2021, 11:51:58 AM
It is not a conspiracy that leftists are pretty much in control of every important institution.

Once the left had enough influence they installed gatekeepers to keep anyone not on the "team" out of positions of influence.

Trump was an entertaining firebreak that held off what appears to be the inevitable consolidation of power.

When the press/social media, nearly every large corporation and the entire Federal/State Government are ALL on the same page it should awaken you to the truth.

The rogue voter problem has finally been neutralized. We live in a totalitarian fascist state ie Fake Democracy.

How tight they turn the screws on the recalcitrant Trump voters remains to be seen.

Enjoy the reset.


  

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: TommyGunn on January 07, 2021, 11:55:31 AM
I've come to believe anything is possible, regardless of how tinfoil-hattish it might be. For example, these guys look like they got swept up in the moment while on their way to some gaming convention:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50810772102_1d6f7de6d0_m.jpg)

They sorta remind me of those silly space-creature "monsters" that were in that old 1960s tv sf show, LOST IN SPACE. [tinfoil] [popcorn]
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MillCreek on January 07, 2021, 11:58:40 AM
^^^ https://lostinspace.fandom.com/wiki/The_Great_Vegetable_Rebellion
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: bedlamite on January 07, 2021, 12:00:22 PM
It is not a conspiracy that leftists are pretty much in control of every important institution.

Once the left had enough influence they installed gatekeepers to keep anyone not on the "team" out of positions of influence.

Trump was an entertaining firebreak that held off what appears to be the inevitable consolidation of power.

When the press/social media, nearly every large corporation and the entire Federal/State Government are ALL on the same page it should awaken you to the truth.

The rogue voter problem has finally been neutralized. We live in a totalitarian fascist state ie Fake Democracy.

How tight they turn the screws on the recalcitrant Trump voters remains to be seen.

Enjoy the reset.


QFT.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on January 07, 2021, 12:03:20 PM

Here's what happened. Anything else is cope and hope.

For a LONG time, people associated with trump, and trump himself, have been giving a platform to , for lack of a better term, maniacs. These folks have been pumping conspiracy theories about shadow government and the deep state, etc.

Normal people have been sharing it on social media, pumping it up and churning it into a frenzy.

A large chunk of those types of people went to the capitol yesterday

And after FOUR YEARS of this type of stuff  ( DONT FORGET TO TRUST THE PLAN!!!!!111111oneoneoneeleventy) , they did something monumentally stupid

And now, people on the right who have been Larping about "1776!" "Tree of Liberty!" "WHY DONT ANYONE RESIST THIS TYRANNY" are like:

"Wait a minute... we didnt ACTUALLY want someone to do somethign! it must have been antifa!"


It's pathetic. Legions of trump supporters spent four years in LARP conspiracy theory land, while the democrats actually went out and pursued votes, instead of "Trusting the plan! Where we go 1, we go all!" nonsense.

And if the dems DID cheat, the Right LET IT HAPPEN, because "Q SAID THE FRAUD WILL BE REVEALED" so they LAID DOWN AND DIDNT DO A GODDAMN THING ABOUT IT.

Then, someone DID go do something about it, and now yall are like "antifa! antifa!"

Nice story bro

The right has been furiously trying to vote us out of this mess for decades.

The Uni-Party gives us Dole, McCain and Romney to vote for and torpedoes anyone unapproved (Ron Paul) even getting close to making a show. Same thing plays out all the way down the ballot. Ask our resident judge how that works.

Even when "we" win, we lose. Reagan got shot. We get a Bush (3 times) and Trump.

I don't think Trump was "supposed" to win and that is part of the hatred of the deep state for him.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 07, 2021, 12:05:32 PM
^^^ https://lostinspace.fandom.com/wiki/The_Great_Vegetable_Rebellion

The show actually started out as serious ScFi and then start cranking out episodes like that.. :facepalm:
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on January 07, 2021, 12:06:21 PM

Here's what happened. Anything else is cope and hope.

For a LONG time, people associated with trump, and trump himself, have been giving a platform to , for lack of a better term, maniacs. These folks have been pumping conspiracy theories about shadow government and the deep state, etc.

Normal people have been sharing it on social media, pumping it up and churning it into a frenzy.

A large chunk of those types of people went to the capitol yesterday

And after FOUR YEARS of this type of stuff  ( DONT FORGET TO TRUST THE PLAN!!!!!111111oneoneoneeleventy) , they did something monumentally stupid

And now, people on the right who have been Larping about "1776!" "Tree of Liberty!" "WHY DONT ANYONE RESIST THIS TYRANNY" are like:

"Wait a minute... we didnt ACTUALLY want someone to do somethign! it must have been antifa!"


It's pathetic. Legions of trump supporters spent four years in LARP conspiracy theory land, while the democrats actually went out and pursued votes, instead of "Trusting the plan! Where we go 1, we go all!" nonsense.

And if the dems DID cheat, the Right LET IT HAPPEN, because "Q SAID THE FRAUD WILL BE REVEALED" so they LAID DOWN AND DIDNT DO A GODDAMN THING ABOUT IT.

Then, someone DID go do something about it, and now yall are like "antifa! antifa!"
I don't think you should be blaming Trump and Trump people for that.  Trump is a catalyst, but not the cause.  What Trump did was cause the media to throw off whatever subtlety that remained and reveal just how much they were lying and making stuff up.  That caused a lot of people to stop watching the MSM and start looking for other news/information sources.   Not all those alternative information sources are going to be good and some people can't filter out the nonsense.  IMO, what you are talking about was already happening before Trump and will continue to happen after he is gone.  
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 07, 2021, 12:11:43 PM
Nice story bro

The right has been furiously trying to vote us out of this mess for decades.

The Uni-Party gives us Dole, McCain and Romney to vote for and torpedoes anyone unapproved (Ron Paul) even getting close to making a show. Same thing plays out all the way down the ballot. Ask our resident judge how that works.

Even when "we" win, we lose. Reagan got shot. We get a Bush (3 times) and Trump.

I don't think Trump was "supposed" to win and that is part of the hatred of the deep state for him.

Ok, then if that's the case, it IS time for violent revolution.

and yet, we have people screaming "NO! WE DIDNT DO THIS! ANTIFA!"

The right is spineless and weak, and is earning its demise
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MillCreek on January 07, 2021, 12:20:28 PM
That caused a lot of people to stop watching the MSM and start looking for other news/information sources.  

As has been suggested here before, I will not at all be surprised if a Trump News Network is created for the base.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on January 07, 2021, 12:23:51 PM
As has been suggested here before, I will not at all be surprised if a Trump News Network is created for the base.

... and a nice little political party with no influence as well.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 07, 2021, 12:25:48 PM
Semi-related:  not a peep from the Democrats about "defund the police" any more.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Boomhauer on January 07, 2021, 12:39:06 PM
As has been suggested here before, I will not at all be surprised if a Trump News Network is created for the base.

Already done. It’s on the Pluto app for smart TVs. Don’t recall what it’s called it’s not TNN but something else.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: zxcvbob on January 07, 2021, 12:58:48 PM
Ok, then if that's the case, it IS time for violent revolution.

and yet, we have people screaming "NO! WE DIDNT DO THIS! ANTIFA!"

The right is spineless and weak, and is earning its demise

I agree with you about spineless and weak, but this wasn't a violent revolution attempt.  It looked more like useful idiots; (useful to whom?) mostly rightwingers with maybe some antifa provocateurs egging them on but maybe not.  They stormed the capitol and got in easily (too easily, maybe it was a trap) and looked like they didn't have a plan for once they got inside.  Maybe they didn't really expect to get in so they didn't plan for that possibility. 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RocketMan on January 07, 2021, 01:02:38 PM
No, you've seen a picture of horn guy at a counter protest, the picture YOU saw had the Q "Trust the plan" sign photoshopped out.

Is it really hard to believe that these people could be responsible for their own actions, and be on the right?

Thank you for telling me what I saw.  You must have been looking over my shoulder.   :facepalm:
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: fifth_column on January 07, 2021, 01:05:48 PM
Was there any kind of counter-protest?  The pro-trump rally was advertised in advance, there was certainly time to set one up, and as far as I know, it's common practice for antifa/blm.  It's possible there was one, even one that was well attended but not reported on.  A quick search doesn't show anything, but I haven't looked much, and the subsequent events would overshadow any opposition that might have been there.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RocketMan on January 07, 2021, 01:07:27 PM

Here's what happened. Anything else is cope and hope.

For a LONG time, people associated with trump, and trump himself, have been giving a platform to , for lack of a better term, maniacs. These folks have been pumping conspiracy theories about shadow government and the deep state, etc.

Normal people have been sharing it on social media, pumping it up and churning it into a frenzy.

A large chunk of those types of people went to the capitol yesterday

And after FOUR YEARS of this type of stuff  ( DONT FORGET TO TRUST THE PLAN!!!!!111111oneoneoneeleventy) , they did something monumentally stupid

And now, people on the right who have been Larping about "1776!" "Tree of Liberty!" "WHY DONT ANYONE RESIST THIS TYRANNY" are like:

"Wait a minute... we didnt ACTUALLY want someone to do somethign! it must have been antifa!"


It's pathetic. Legions of trump supporters spent four years in LARP conspiracy theory land, while the democrats actually went out and pursued votes, instead of "Trusting the plan! Where we go 1, we go all!" nonsense.

And if the dems DID cheat, the Right LET IT HAPPEN, because "Q SAID THE FRAUD WILL BE REVEALED" so they LAID DOWN AND DIDNT DO A GODDAMN THING ABOUT IT.

Then, someone DID go do something about it, and now yall are like "antifa! antifa!"

"And if the dems DID cheat, the Republican Party leadership LET IT HAPPEN, because "Q SAID THE FRAUD WILL BE REVEALED" so they LAID DOWN AND DIDNT DO A GODDAMN THING ABOUT IT."

I fixed the only reasonable statement in your rant for you.  The rest of it with the Q-anon stuff was over the top.  Labeling most Trump supporters and others on the right as Q conspiracy theorists is almost as nutty as the Q-anon stuff itself.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 07, 2021, 01:15:15 PM
Thank you for telling me what I saw.  You must have been looking over my shoulder.   :facepalm:

would you like to see the original picture? There are tons of pics of horn dude all over the place, with Q signs, and posing with Rudy Giuliani.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 07, 2021, 01:16:26 PM
"And if the dems DID cheat, the Republican Party leadership LET IT HAPPEN, because "Q SAID THE FRAUD WILL BE REVEALED" so they LAID DOWN AND DIDNT DO A GODDAMN THING ABOUT IT."

I fixed the only reasonable statement in your rant for you.  The rest of it with the Q-anon stuff was over the top.  Labeling most Trump supporters and others on the right as Q conspiracy theorists is almost as nutty as the Q-anon stuff itself.

the conspiracy crap had support up and down the republican party, including current and former members of trumps own cabinet, his staff, and a big chunk of people carrying signs to that effect.

The right has gone full retard.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Boomhauer on January 07, 2021, 01:24:05 PM
There was a lot of Q-anon and Kraken and such belief by otherwise rational people.

Trump was definitely an outlier but to believe there would be any draining of the swamp was an unrealistic belief. To do that you have to have teamwork and the people that effect such actions were all part of the swamp. He had a lot of populist support and that was it.

The Stimulus bill was passed by 92 out of 100 senators. The only person in Washington disappointed by the election results was Trump himself.

Trumps main value was the absolute pants shitting stupidity that he triggered in the left but in the end they are still winning.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 07, 2021, 01:29:45 PM
I'm not buying the Qanon influence over more than a fringe of people. I live in Republican country and nobody here even knows what it is. I've only seen it mentioned on the twitchy and here at APS, and I'm pretty sure I had to ask here what the hell it was, and I'm pretty sure I still don't know.

I think there is a big disconnect between people getting riled up on either side on the twitter and the facebook, and people who get their news elsewhere, or just go on about their business.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 07, 2021, 01:34:18 PM
A little more on horn dude:

https://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/q-shaman-us-capitol-antifa-matt-gaetz-15852663.php

(I was going to call him Buffalo Man but I guess the costume isn't quite right)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 07, 2021, 01:36:29 PM
Different angle on the shooting. Seems like they'll have a lot of explaining to do regarding justification. Especially with cops being right near her on her side of the door from what I can tell.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/07/new-graphic-video-shows-the-shooting-of-ashli-babbitt-from-a-different-angle/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 07, 2021, 01:47:31 PM
Different angle on the shooting. Seems like they'll have a lot of explaining to do regarding justification. Especially with cops being right near her on her side of the door from what I can tell.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/07/new-graphic-video-shows-the-shooting-of-ashli-babbitt-from-a-different-angle/

[libtard]Well, she was a Trump supporter so she got what she deserved[/libtard]
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 07, 2021, 01:55:55 PM
[libtard]Well, she was a Trump supporter so she got what she deserved[/libtard]

That is exactly what they are saying: 
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=63661.msg1287725#msg1287725

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: dogmush on January 07, 2021, 02:06:14 PM
Different angle on the shooting. Seems like they'll have a lot of explaining to do regarding justification. Especially with cops being right near her on her side of the door from what I can tell.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/07/new-graphic-video-shows-the-shooting-of-ashli-babbitt-from-a-different-angle/

I'd bet they will say the officer was in fear for their safety, and there will be no more explaining.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 07, 2021, 02:07:15 PM
Just to be fair, isn't that what a lot of people said about various people shot by the police on the "other side?"

"If he would have just stopped resisting" etc?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 07, 2021, 02:10:47 PM
Just to be fair, isn't that what a lot of people said about various people shot by the police on the "other side?"

"If he would have just stopped resisting" etc?

You mean like the "unarmed" guy with a knife that was charging the police?
Or the great big guy that was trying to take the cops gun from him in a scuffle?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 07, 2021, 02:13:35 PM
You mean like the "unarmed" guy with a knife that was charging the police?
Or the great big guy that was trying to take the cops gun from him in a scuffle?

What usually happens when people try to get into a government installation over barricades and through a broken window etc?

What happens when people charge the white house lawn?

what happens when people hop fences and charge into military installations?



All i'm saying is a LOT of the same rhetoric is spewed by the right...
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 07, 2021, 02:14:27 PM
The right really needs to decide how it feels about things right now  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: fifth_column on January 07, 2021, 02:15:00 PM
Different angle on the shooting. Seems like they'll have a lot of explaining to do regarding justification. Especially with cops being right near her on her side of the door from what I can tell.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/07/new-graphic-video-shows-the-shooting-of-ashli-babbitt-from-a-different-angle/

So the guy with the rifle was police and was signaling to the person on the other side of the door.  Looked like he was trying to communicate a "stand down, we got this" kind of message.  It looked like the girl was climbing through the window maybe, when she was shot.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: cordex on January 07, 2021, 02:17:09 PM
What usually happens when people try to get into a government installation over barricades and through a broken window etc?
You mean if we look all the way back to the past year?

The mayor condemns federal agents arresting rioters as fascist, lets the mob have a chunk of the city, and looks the other way when murders occur.

 ;)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 07, 2021, 02:19:56 PM
You mean if we look all the way back to the past year?

The mayor condemns federal agents arresting rioters as fascist, lets the mob have a chunk of the city, and looks the other way when murders occur.

 ;)

so again, what's the right call? Many people said letting the rioters do their thing was wrong. Now, a rioter climbing into a busted window getting shot is wrong. I have seen simple property crimes have people advocating for police "putting them down". And if that's how you feel, so be it. I can't exactly say it's wrong, even. But some level of consistency should be applied.

Like so many things in politics, the answer SEEMS to be "depends if the person being a hooligan agrees with me or not"

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 07, 2021, 02:20:37 PM
This guy was within feet of the woman who was shot:

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/01/07/most-often-used-hashtags-include-blm-and-antifa-slc-journos-thread-on-utah-man-who-stormed-the-u-s-capitol-a-must-read/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Brad Johnson on January 07, 2021, 02:22:19 PM
Different angle on the shooting. Seems like they'll have a lot of explaining to do regarding justification. Especially with cops being right near her on her side of the door from what I can tell.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/07/new-graphic-video-shows-the-shooting-of-ashli-babbitt-from-a-different-angle/

As much as I dislike how the crowds were acting, there's no way to explain what I just saw other than cold-blooded murder. She had no weapon. She was not inside the door. There were no officials or government actors being directly menaced. There were no officials even within object-throwing range, for that matter, much less any in some type of imminent danger. Yes, it appears she was climbing on the door frame and probably trying to break a window, but there was no apparent threat involved beyond what the rest of the crowd was evidencing. I think it's even more evidence that it was unwarranted when the uniformed officer standing behind her went immediately to full-ready with weapon pointed in what seemed to be the direction of the shooter.

If the DOJ doesn't hand the agent/officer involved his ass, and quickly, this will only serve to foment distrust and stoke anger among an already-volatile group. At the very least, the shooter is going to have a world of anger an hate laser-focused on them. It will surprise me greatly if the shooter wasn't soon being referenced in the same tone as Lon Horiuchi and Richard Rogers. Rightfully so, too, IMHO.

Brad
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: bedlamite on January 07, 2021, 02:25:25 PM
NM.
duplicate.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MillCreek on January 07, 2021, 02:25:49 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/capitol-rioters-should-be-barred-from-flights-home-flight-attendant-union-says/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3II10htHhoUaUF31VlyFXfThlIyZ11V9zM1RtbdJnly6Qk508KFd1xvw8#Echobox=1609997549

You know you are in trouble when you get on the wrong side of the flight attendant's union.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 07, 2021, 02:28:11 PM
Now, a rioter climbing into a busted window getting shot is wrong.


We probably, if it exists, need more video on that. I can't tell if she was climbing up and hanging there on on her side, or had partially climbed through. It certainly didn't look like she had made it all the way through or to any point that looked like she was being a threat. Another angle might prove me wrong. The guy in the suit behind her appeared to be an Agent and he didn't do anything to her other than immediately help her after the shot (and good on him).

In other riots, when people do what she did, I generally just see the cops push them back or smack them, and that's at open barricades with lots of people pushing through at once, not a single individual. This looked to be a single small opening she had to wriggle through.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MillCreek on January 07, 2021, 02:31:59 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/man-who-posed-at-pelosi-desk-said-in-facebook-post-that-he-is-prepared-for-violent-death/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0ZYUubX4Zt67BGcsalWLo1WP9JweUzJJ3louiafogfQL_WEthzprGCsx8#Echobox=1610032587

Mr. Barnett, are you a member here?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on January 07, 2021, 02:34:38 PM
We probably, if it exists, need more video on that. I can't tell if she was climbing up and hanging there on on her side, or had partially climbed through. It certainly didn't look like she had made it all the way through or to any point that looked like she was being a threat. Another angle might prove me wrong. The guy in the suit behind her appeared to be an Agent and he didn't do anything to her other than immediately help her after the shot (and good on him).

In other riots, when people do what she did, I generally just see the cops push them back or smack them, and that's at open barricades with lots of people pushing through at once, not a single individual. This looked to be a single small opening she had to wriggle through.
That is what I was thinking.  What we have seen in the last year is cops do everything they can to avoid using a gun to the point of taking a beating themselves.  I don't know if he tried something else prior to this since the video is short.  I am curious if the SWAT guys in riot gear that showed up right after could have been there sooner.  

Also, what was behind this door that was so important?  
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 07, 2021, 02:36:59 PM
That is what I was thinking.  What we have seen in the last year is cops do everything they can to avoid using a gun to the point of taking a beating themselves.  I don't know if he tried something else prior to this since the video is short.  I am curious if the SWAT guys in riot gear that showed up right after could have been there sooner.  

Also, what was behind this door that was so important?  

that was the speakers chamber IIRC. It's entirely possible that some high ranking bumblehead was still in there which would explain the immediate response.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 07, 2021, 02:37:49 PM
Also, what was behind this door that was so important?  

Your betters, dummy.  =D

ETA and not so funny, Chris Murphy is in an uproar because the military didn't respond to protect his worthless ass.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: cordex on January 07, 2021, 02:47:14 PM
so again, what's the right call? Many people said letting the rioters do their thing was wrong. Now, a rioter climbing into a busted window getting shot is wrong. I have seen simple property crimes have people advocating for police "putting them down". And if that's how you feel, so be it. I can't exactly say it's wrong, even. But some level of consistency should be applied.

Like so many things in politics, the answer SEEMS to be "depends if the person being a hooligan agrees with me or not"
You're not wrong in noting the wild discrepancy in reaction to the same kind of activity based on whose team someone appears to be on.

That said, I don't think there is any hypocrisy in saying that her actions certainly justified arrest and possibly prosecution but did not appear to have yet risen to the level of lethal force while simultaneously noting that repeated actions that certainly did rise to the level of lethal force (i.e., attempted arson of an occupied building) have been handled much more gently and the responses were still criticized as too harsh.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RocketMan on January 07, 2021, 03:00:22 PM
Keep in mind that all of this was happening inside Pelosi's house.  That might explain the harsh response.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: T.O.M. on January 07, 2021, 03:08:52 PM
I'm starting to read speculation that the shot was an unintentional discharge by a nervous officer with his finger on the trigger.  Looking at the videos...hard to say definitively if that was an intentional shot or not, IMHO.

As for now, I'm staying off social media, and any other discussions of this.  

I'm reading lefties saying that the Cap Police are complicit in this invasion, and should have been firing on the crowd as soon as the first barricade was crossed.
I read one admitted communist spouting that every person there should be tried and convicted of treason, hung in gallows on the Mall, and their corpses left to rot.  He advocated for the entire Capital police force to be tried as co-conspirators for "allowing this to happen" and hung alongside the protesters.
I'm reading a lot of "if they were black" comments, comparing the lack of violence by the police here to the violence during the summer BLM riots.  
I'm reading some conservative acquaintances saying "maybe there is a need for police reform given this violent attack on peaceful protesters at the capital."

Nothing I could say to any of these people means a damned thing anyways...
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Jim147 on January 07, 2021, 03:13:20 PM
That is not Pelosi's it Our House. But everyone has forgotten it.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 07, 2021, 03:42:51 PM
Unity!

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/07/unity-and-healing-joe-biden-does-his-part-to-turn-storming-of-u-s-capitol-into-a-racial-controversy/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 07, 2021, 03:46:04 PM
https://www.theblaze.com/news/facebook-ban-capitol-protest-content-trump-account

Quote
Facebook announced it would ban and remove photos and videos from the protest at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C. The social media platform claims that photos and videos from Wednesday's events violate Facebook's policy of "promotion of criminal activity."
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Brad Johnson on January 07, 2021, 03:49:58 PM
I'm starting to read speculation that the shot was an unintentional discharge by a nervous officer with his finger on the trigger.  Looking at the videos...hard to say definitively if that was an intentional shot or not, IMHO.


The video that Ben posted above is pretty damning. The shooter takes a step from behind cover, aims, and the shot rings out. Hard to call that "unintentional discharge due to nervousness".

Brad
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 07, 2021, 03:51:08 PM
https://www.theblaze.com/news/facebook-ban-capitol-protest-content-trump-account


https://www.theblaze.com/news/facebook-ban-capitol-protest-content-trump-account


 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

NOW they dont want to encourage criminal activity?!?!?!?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: BobR on January 07, 2021, 04:00:16 PM
https://www.theblaze.com/news/facebook-ban-capitol-protest-content-trump-account


I am having the same issue with Imgur, either over capacity or their current events link is a 404 page. Is someone trying to supress images and what could be construed as sympathetic to the mostly peaceful protesters yesterday?

bob
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on January 07, 2021, 04:11:38 PM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

NOW they dont want to encourage criminal activity?!?!?!?
It is stupid anyway.  Banning it on their site doesn't make it go away.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: BobR on January 07, 2021, 04:15:24 PM
Different angle on the shooting. Seems like they'll have a lot of explaining to do regarding justification. Especially with cops being right near her on her side of the door from what I can tell.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/07/new-graphic-video-shows-the-shooting-of-ashli-babbitt-from-a-different-angle/

I have a video of the shooting on my hard drive, it was not provoked, it was not a "in fear of my life", it was not a nervous rookie. It was a deliberate act from several feet away. Once Imgur comes back up I will save and post.

bob
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 07, 2021, 04:19:13 PM
From Babylon Bee:

(https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-7721-2.jpg)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on January 07, 2021, 04:26:02 PM
Unity!

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/07/unity-and-healing-joe-biden-does-his-part-to-turn-storming-of-u-s-capitol-into-a-racial-controversy/
Has he seen the last few BLM protests?  I seemed to be mostly white people.  At least those were the ones arrested for riot activities. 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on January 07, 2021, 05:16:03 PM
I saw meme on Instagram.  The officer wasn't going to shoot, but the woman asked him about his vehicle's extended warranty.  


And another "We could have stormed Area 51 after all!"    :rofl:
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RocketMan on January 07, 2021, 05:41:20 PM
That is not Pelosi's it Our House. But everyone has forgotten it.

Pretty much my point.  The congresscritters think it belongs to them.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 07, 2021, 06:02:09 PM
Quote
Advancing Justice-LA
@AAAJ_LA
"You saw peaceful protests across the country over the summer after George Floyd's murder. And what do we see in response? We saw tear gas. We saw rubber bullets. We saw the vitriol. We saw the aggression of police in responding to that peaceful protest."
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 07, 2021, 06:02:31 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/rV8JbeH.png)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 07, 2021, 06:02:36 PM
"Pearl Harbor".

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/01/06/sen-chuck-schumer-compares-storming-of-the-capitol-to-pearl-harbor/

I'm starting to feel like this guy:

Part two of my three part plan for living through the death of America - laying low in the sticks and being an outlaw against progressive laws - sounds about right for me these days.


I'm executing this plan in 6 months.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 07, 2021, 06:04:03 PM
I'm executing this plan in 6 months.

And much like Pearl Harbor, this will be an excuse to go to war

Our way of life is dying

And the right will allow it, with a whimper
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 07, 2021, 06:13:31 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/rV8JbeH.png)


Michelle Obama just called for Trump and any conservatives who think like him to be banned for life from facebook and the twitters. They'll probably do what she tells them.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 07, 2021, 06:17:18 PM
Michelle Obama just called for Trump and any conservatives who think like him to be banned for life from facebook and the twitters. They'll probably do what she tells them.

Good for Parler.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 07, 2021, 06:27:12 PM
Why would anyone care what Michelle O says?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: sumpnz on January 07, 2021, 06:27:45 PM
Wasn’t T.O.M. a neighbor of the Obamas back before they got all famous?  I think I remember him telling stories about the vitriol MO would spew about conservatives even back then.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: BobR on January 07, 2021, 06:40:43 PM
I am hoping this works. Here is the video of the woman being shot in the Capitol yesterday. Standard disclaimer, if violence bothers you just move along.


(http://i.imgur.com/WEO4ENZ.mp4)here  (https://imgur.com/WEO4ENZ)



bob
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fly320s on January 07, 2021, 06:54:39 PM
Link works, but no audio.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 07, 2021, 07:00:11 PM
The same video, with audio, can be seen via twitchy:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/07/new-graphic-video-shows-the-shooting-of-ashli-babbitt-from-a-different-angle/


(not trying to rain on BobR's parade)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: BobR on January 07, 2021, 07:03:20 PM
No rain, I was just now able to find it on twitter.  https://twitter.com/thejaydenxander/status/1347056697899163648

Some sites are taking it down faster than it is going up.  =|


bob
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 07, 2021, 07:04:04 PM
Someone should post it on Parler.  It's less likely to be removed there.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Andiron on January 07, 2021, 07:07:02 PM
I've been away from my PC, work has been too nuts to follow this train wreck.  

On the murder of Ashli Babbitt.  Suppose she'd succeeded in climbing through that window.  It would be one unarmed woman in a hall, separated from the rest of the group..  Maybe arrest her?  

Shooting her dead was reasonable,  it's what you do when protesters go some place you don't want them.  They've been gunning them down by the job lot on the west coast.  Didn't you all see the the 10's of thousands of dead antifa/blm?   [barf]

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 07, 2021, 07:19:15 PM
And much like Pearl Harbor, this will be an excuse to go to war

Our way of life is dying being murdered like a bunch of unwanted Jews and Gypsies.

And the right will allow it, with a whimper

Fixt for Fitz
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: zxcvbob on January 07, 2021, 07:21:58 PM
I've been away from my PC, work has been too nuts to follow this train wreck.  

On the murder of Ashli Babbitt.  Suppose she'd succeeded in climbing through that window.  It would be one unarmed woman in a hall, separated from the rest of the group..  Maybe arrest her?  


Perhaps she was murdered by the Capitol Police so they could charge the other protesters with felony murder?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 07, 2021, 07:28:17 PM
Reports through my military connection: a recon corpsman was there, and as they were exiting the capitol building a woman 5 feet from him was shot in the head with a beanbag round, range from shooter to woman was about 10 feet, one of the dead from "medical emergency".  He himself was shot in the back of the neck with a rubber bullet also upon exiting the capitol building.

And we've already got the video of a blue helmeted cop pushing someone off a ledge onto concrete, and the SS shooting the unarmed veteran in the throat at point blank.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: T.O.M. on January 07, 2021, 07:29:51 PM
Wasn’t T.O.M. a neighbor of the Obamas back before they got all famous?  I think I remember him telling stories about the vitriol MO would spew about conservatives even back then.

Not me.  Sorry.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 07, 2021, 07:33:20 PM
And we've already got the video of a blue helmeted cop pushing someone off a ledge onto concrete, and the SS shooting the unarmed veteran in the throat at point blank.

Minor nitpick: Ms. Babbitt's killer is U.S. Capitol Police.  The officer is on administrative leave.

https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1347211904838737920

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 07, 2021, 07:38:38 PM
Minor nitpick: Ms. Babbitt's killer is U.S. Capitol Police.  The officer is on administrative leave.

https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1347211904838737920



Ah, was going by his attire in this video.  Well I'm sure he will enjoy his vacation before being cleared of any wrong doing.

https://imgur.com/WEO4ENZ (https://imgur.com/WEO4ENZ)

ETA: Forgot to say thank you for the info and correcting my mistake. So, thank you.  =)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Blakenzy on January 07, 2021, 07:49:27 PM
Comply or Die  :police:

That was getting a lot of support from 'servatives until recently. How shortsighted.

BTW Trump seem to have pulled a complete 180. I wonder what they offered him, something unrefuseable?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFADopBnb_U
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 07, 2021, 08:00:50 PM
Apparently one of the wounded was a capitol police officer who was struck in the head with a fire extinguisher, and he has died. That is as tragic as the woman being shot. I myself called for the bat wielding antifa to be shot on sight, and the same should go for whoever hit the cop in the head with the fire extinguisher. That's a deadly weapon.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/01/07/us-capitol-police-officer-dies-after-being-struck-with-a-fire-extinguisher/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 07, 2021, 08:06:08 PM
Apparently one of the wounded was a capitol police officer who was struck in the head with a fire extinguisher, and he has died. That is as tragic as the woman being shot. I myself called for the bat wielding antifa to be shot on sight, and the same should go for whoever hit the cop in the head with the fire extinguisher. That's a deadly weapon.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/01/07/us-capitol-police-officer-dies-after-being-struck-with-a-fire-extinguisher/

And what about the cop pushing a guy off a ledge to fall 20+ feet onto concrete? 

The one with a 12 gauge shooting less lethal into people's heads at point blank is more or less straight forward; return fire.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 07, 2021, 08:14:24 PM
whoever hit the cop in the head with the fire extinguisher. That's a deadly weapon.


Depends
If the person swinging the fire extinguisher is conservative then  it's a weapon of mass destruction.
If the person swinging the fire extinguisher is ANIFA, BLM, or similar then it's an innocent basket of goodies for grandma.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Lennyjoe on January 07, 2021, 08:35:29 PM
Tucker weighs in and his comments are spot on.

 https://rumble.com/vcirtt-everyone-needs-to-hear-what-tucker-carlson-said-about-yesterday.html (https://rumble.com/vcirtt-everyone-needs-to-hear-what-tucker-carlson-said-about-yesterday.html)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 07, 2021, 08:51:14 PM
It appears CNN jumped the gun on reporting the cop's death:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/01/07/us-capitol-police-officer-dies-after-being-struck-with-a-fire-extinguisher/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Andiron on January 07, 2021, 09:19:42 PM
(https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/061/401/094/original/1501c9bb92cba691.jpeg)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 07, 2021, 09:32:35 PM
On the broader subject of political violence:

https://twitter.com/Doc_0/status/1347154640039718912

Quote
Political violence is always wrong and should never be tolerated from anyone. Once "protesters" threaten lives and property, their grievances and ideology should become absolutely irrelevant to the situation.

That is, obviously, not the country we live in.

...

When violence becomes acceptable from one party and its clients, one ideology, it becomes an instrument of authoritarianism. That's why authoritarian regimes frequently have violent vigilante groups roaming the streets in addition to their vast security and military forces.

...

Either political violence is rejected in total - from everyone, for any reason, no matter who they are or what they believe - or it isn't. Once the tolerance level is no longer zero, we become locked in a vicious and endless struggle to control exactly what the level should be.

Much more at the link.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Andiron on January 07, 2021, 09:44:00 PM
derp

I blame using phones for anything but making calls.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 07, 2021, 09:50:31 PM
*sigh*
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RocketMan on January 07, 2021, 10:40:11 PM
At what point does political violence become a fight for freedom and liberty?  Just asking for the Declaration of Independence.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 07, 2021, 10:44:11 PM
At what point does political violence become a fight for freedom and liberty?  Just asking for the Declaration of Independence.

When people actually do more than steal hard drives and pose for pictures
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 07, 2021, 11:28:31 PM
It appears CNN jumped the gun on reporting the cop's death:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/01/07/us-capitol-police-officer-dies-after-being-struck-with-a-fire-extinguisher/

Not dead, but on life support:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/07/politics/capitol-police-officer-dead-after-riot/index.html

Also from CNN, so it might be wrong as well.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: HankB on January 08, 2021, 12:30:50 AM
When all is said and done, I'd like to see a damage accounting for this treasonous insurrection and violent riot and compare it with the damage left in the wake of the peaceful protests staged by BLM in Chicago, Minneapolis, Portland, etc.

Somehow I don't think a few broken windows and such will equal the peaceful looting spree on Chicago's Magnificent Mile, peaceful torching of Wendy's, AutoZone, and other stores, peaceful looting of Target, peaceful  CHOP/CHAZ establishment, peaceful torching of a police station, peaceful torching of police and other vehicles, etc.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on January 08, 2021, 07:01:15 AM
When all is said and done, I'd like to see a damage accounting for this treasonous insurrection and violent riot and compare it with the damage left in the wake of the peaceful protests staged by BLM in Chicago, Minneapolis, Portland, etc.

Somehow I don't think a few broken windows and such will equal the peaceful looting spree on Chicago's Magnificent Mile, peaceful torching of Wendy's, AutoZone, and other stores, peaceful looting of Target, peaceful  CHOP/CHAZ establishment, peaceful torching of a police station, peaceful torching of police and other vehicles, etc.
Americans have mastered the art of not seeing things and living in cognitive dissonance.

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on January 08, 2021, 07:19:41 AM
Starting to see corporations issuing statements denouncing the events in the capital and besmirching the thousands in attendance.

This is in stark contrast to the lockstep support BLM/Antifa receive to this day from EVERY SINGLE CORPORATE AND GOVERNMENT mouthpiece.

What tiny percentage of the attendees were engaged in the vandalism?

Anybody else see the video of the capital police backing away and letting the vandals in?

What percentage of the attendees did nothing wrong and acted perfectly civil?




Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Blakenzy on January 08, 2021, 07:53:05 AM
It doesn't matter. We are at war and in war truth is the first casualty. Regrettably so.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 08, 2021, 07:55:46 AM
Starting to see corporations issuing statements denouncing the events in the capital and besmirching the thousands in attendance.

This is in stark contrast to the lockstep support BLM/Antifa receive to this day from EVERY SINGLE CORPORATE AND GOVERNMENT mouthpiece.

What tiny percentage of the attendees were engaged in the vandalism?

Anybody else see the video of the capital police backing away and letting the vandals in?

What percentage of the attendees did nothing wrong and acted perfectly civil?

While there was a little of this with some identified antifa rioters, this is ridiculous. These businesses are not just firing employees who were rioters, they are firing anyone who showed up to protest. I just read some 56 year old lady was fired, and all she did was show up in DC and sing the National Anthem.

I want to be fair about calling out this rioting the same as the antifa rioting, but I'm seeing 100X the outrage over this compared to any of the hundreds of antifa riots, and also nothing but "these people were treated with kid gloves because "RACISM!". If this were a BLM protest and a black woman were killed by police in the same way this white woman was killed, we would be seeing burning buildings in the usual big cities across the country.

Yes, this was a bad thing, but it didn't approach many of the antifa riots we have seen throughout the year. The over the top outrage is making it hard for me to to look at the incident and response in an unbiased manner. I just want all these loudmouthed SJW people in politics and the MSM to go to hell, I want twitter and facebook to die, and I want to lay low and be left alone. I'm becoming disgusted with my country.

ETA: I also notice "unbiased" news sources like NPR are calling this not a riot, but "insurrection against the United States". Far cry from "mostly peaceful".
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 08, 2021, 08:09:50 AM
Also, here's a photo of the overall rally. What percentage of these people were "violent insurrectionists"? If you want to talk about "mostly peaceful", here's an example:

(https://img.theepochtimes.com/assets/uploads/2021/01/06/Washington-DC-rally-2-700x420.jpg)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: cordex on January 08, 2021, 08:17:08 AM
Yes, this was a bad thing, but it didn't approach many of the antifa riots we have seen throughout the year. The over the top outrage is making it hard for me to to look at the incident and response in an unbiased manner. I just want all these loudmouthed SJW people in politics and the MSM to go to hell, I want twitter and facebook to die, and I want to lay low and be left alone. I'm becoming disgusted with my country.
Well said.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MillCreek on January 08, 2021, 09:10:41 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/politics/trump-self-pardon.html?searchResultPosition=1

It will be interesting to see if the President pardons himself before leaving office. Or an alternative method would be to resign on January 19th and have President Pence pardon him on the way out.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: fifth_column on January 08, 2021, 09:17:49 AM
It looks like the only shooting to have occurred during this demonstration was done by law enforcement. 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Nick1911 on January 08, 2021, 09:33:04 AM
Yes, this was a bad thing, but it didn't approach many of the antifa riots we have seen throughout the year. The over the top outrage is making it hard for me to to look at the incident and response in an unbiased manner. I just want all these loudmouthed SJW people in politics and the MSM to go to hell, I want twitter and facebook to die, and I want to lay low and be left alone. I'm becoming disgusted with my country.

This articulates the feeling that I and many, many people have right now.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on January 08, 2021, 09:36:49 AM
Depends
If the person swinging the fire extinguisher is conservative then  it's a weapon of mass destruction.
If the person swinging the fire extinguisher is ANIFA, BLM, or similar then it's an innocent basket of goodies for grandma.

Also depends on if the person who hit a cop with the extinguisher was protecting someone else.  Might have been another cop throwing "less lethal" rounds at point blank or something like that.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 08, 2021, 09:38:34 AM
Also depends on if the person who hit a cop with the extinguisher was protecting someone else.  Might have been another cop throwing "less lethal" rounds at point blank or something like that.

That won’t matter

When conservative activists occupied a state house the left was literally calling for their murder

The cop will be used as a martyr to end conservatism in the United States

The aftermath of this is the end of American liberty
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on January 08, 2021, 09:44:04 AM
Yes, this was a bad thing, but it didn't approach many of the antifa riots we have seen throughout the year. The over the top outrage is making it hard for me to to look at the incident and response in an unbiased manner. I just want all these loudmouthed SJW people in politics and the MSM to go to hell, I want twitter and facebook to die, and I want to lay low and be left alone. I'm becoming disgusted with my country.

ETA: I also notice "unbiased" news sources like NPR are calling this not a riot, but "insurrection against the United States". Far cry from "mostly peaceful".

In a discussion about what the rulers are going to do next the smartest thing I've heard was the comment:

"Don’t worry about their agenda. Worry about your agenda."

The government/media complex is all "Strawberry Fields Forever". Nothing is as it seems.

We must insulate ourselves from the system as much as is possible.

https://genius.com/The-beatles-strawberry-fields-forever-lyrics



Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Nick1911 on January 08, 2021, 09:50:52 AM
In a discussion about what the rulers are going to do next the smartest thing I've heard was the comment:

"Don’t worry about their agenda. Worry about your agenda."

The government/media complex is all "Strawberry Fields Forever". Nothing is as it seems.

We must insulate ourselves from the system as much as is possible.

Possibly unpopular opinion:
Laying low and insulating yourself from a system that's becoming increasing tumultuous works for the early stages of the collapse.  However, inevitably it will reorganize, and the reorganizers will need a scapegoat to blame the problems on and shift public anger away from themselves.  For instance, look to the early stages of the USSR.  Dropping out works for now, but consider in time, you may need to expatriate to avoid becoming a casualty of political violence.  =(  Plan accordingly.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: fifth_column on January 08, 2021, 10:31:23 AM
That won’t matter

When conservative activists occupied a state house the left was literally calling for their murder

The cop will be used as a martyr to end crimanilze conservatism in the United States

The aftermath of this is the end of American liberty

Fixed it for you . . . .
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 08, 2021, 11:37:51 AM
Possibly unpopular opinion:
Laying low and insulating yourself from a system that's becoming increasing tumultuous works for the early stages of the collapse.  However, inevitably it will reorganize, and the reorganizers will need a scapegoat to blame the problems on and shift public anger away from themselves.  For instance, look to the early stages of the USSR.  Dropping out works for now, but consider in time, you may need to expatriate to avoid becoming a casualty of political violence.  =(  Plan accordingly.


I don't think that's an unpopular opinion. Calling myself an outlaw sounds cool, but the only reason I can lay low is because I am a little, tiny, miniscule fish in a big pond. All the income that allows me to do that comes from electronic accounts. The gov could wipe me out with a few keystrokes on somebody's computer if they decided they need to teach me a lesson on who my master is.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on January 08, 2021, 11:55:20 AM
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-01-07/capitol-police-chief-to-resign-next-week-reports

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Sen. Lindsey Graham, South Carolina Republican, said on Thursday that the police forces protecting the Capitol should have been much more forceful in their response.

"Warning shots should have been fired and lethal force should have been used," the South Carolina Republican and close ally of Trump's said, adding that backpacks the protesters were carrying could have contained bombs. "If this is not a wake-up call, I don't know what is."

That's a ration of horseshit, Graham.  There's no precedent for explosives deployment in this political movement.  I know there were reportedly IED's put in place at the Republican and Democrat party headquarters in DC during this, but I'm rather skeptical of the truth of that.  No one was armed at this protest at the Capitol.  I don't see bombs getting deployed if there was no gunfire exchange with Capitol police, given that firearms are so much simpler to obtain and deploy than explosives.  Even those of you with kitchen improvisation knowledge, building the energetic component as well as a reliable remote/timed detonator is more complicated than obtaining a firearm and a little ammo.  Graham is throwing a massive conjectured/hypothetical out there just to suit his desired outcome.

Pelosi is also calling for Sund to resign, and major prosecutions.  Full on fed cases involving terrorism and the like.

My takeaway is that if you shoot an unarmed mob who are protesting at the Capitol, and throw terrorism charges and them, and they have a serious enough grievance to amass tens of thousands of people... and those people did little/minimal damage to the government building in question... then the next time that mob will not be unarmed.  And you don't have enough police officers for that.

But I come from this having supported the BLM movement's attacks on government buildings and police precincts.  They lost my support when they started attacking businesses and intimidating lay people.  If they had pulled a modern day Huey Newton instead, I'd have been so supportive.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 08, 2021, 12:02:28 PM
President Trump says he will not attend Biden's inauguration on Jan. 20
https://www.wlky.com/article/president-trump-says-he-will-not-attend-bidens-inauguration-on-jan-20/35163314

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It will be just the fourth time in history that an outgoing president has skipped the swearing-in ceremony of his successor. John Adams in 1801, John Quincy Adams in 1829 and Andrew Johnson in 1869 all refused to attend their successors' inaugurations, according to CNN.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 08, 2021, 12:04:09 PM
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"Warning shots should have been fired and lethal force should have been used," the South Carolina Republican and close ally of Trump's said, adding that backpacks the protesters were carrying could have contained bombs. "If this is not a wake-up call, I don't know what is."

So we want cops to use lethal force on anyone carrying a backpack because it might have a bomb in it?

Now say that statement again, but reference antifa and BLM.

I think one of the more disgusting things to me is the "conservative" legislators that are screaming outrage louder than the left. I expect crap like this from Pelosi. Sounds to me like a lot of these conservatives suddenly jumping on the "domestic terrorists" bandwagon are doing so not just for political optics, but because somebody came to their place of business for a change instead burning down some regular Joe's store.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 08, 2021, 12:45:44 PM
And we're down to this, with asswipes like Jim Acosta lapping it up.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/08/nancy-pelosis-working-hard-to-convince-people-trumps-thinking-about-using-nukes-on-his-way-out-the-door/

Did I already mention I'm getting disgusted by my country? This is a simply abhorrent old hag.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: fifth_column on January 08, 2021, 12:46:02 PM
So we want cops to use lethal force on anyone carrying a backpack because it might have a bomb in it?

Now say that statement again, but reference antifa and BLM.

I think one of the more disgusting things to me is the "conservative" legislators that are screaming outrage louder than the left. I expect crap like this from Pelosi. Sounds to me like a lot of these conservatives suddenly jumping on the "domestic terrorists" bandwagon are doing so not just for political optics, but because somebody came to their place of business for a change instead burning down some regular Joe's store.

That's a good point. I think it's also very much because politicians have to be able to sense the way the wind blows. Dissent from the prevailing groupthink is going to be damaging to their career.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MillCreek on January 08, 2021, 12:53:07 PM
Senator Graham should feel free to volunteer as a trigger puller and experience his recommendations first hand.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 08, 2021, 12:54:07 PM
And we're down to this, with asswipes like Jim Acosta lapping it up.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/08/nancy-pelosis-working-hard-to-convince-people-trumps-thinking-about-using-nukes-on-his-way-out-the-door/

Did I already mention I'm getting disgusted by my country? This is a simply abhorrent old hag.

And when nothing happens the MSM will proclaim Pelosis the savior of the world by taking the launch codes from a madman.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 08, 2021, 01:01:46 PM
Biden and/or Harris with the launch codes frightens me a lot more than Trump.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 08, 2021, 01:03:18 PM
Biden and/or Harris with the launch codes frightens me a lot more than Trump.


It will be a 93% peaceful launch
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 08, 2021, 01:06:44 PM
It will be a 93% peaceful launch

Sure, but that 7% is a real bitch.

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: BobR on January 08, 2021, 01:18:10 PM
And we're down to this, with asswipes like Jim Acosta lapping it up.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/08/nancy-pelosis-working-hard-to-convince-people-trumps-thinking-about-using-nukes-on-his-way-out-the-door/

Did I already mention I'm getting disgusted by my country? This is a simply abhorrent old hag.

Here is my take. They want to make Trump such a pariah that not only will he be unable to every think about running for President again but anyone remotely connected will be tainted. This is also a warning to others, don't come into our house and attempt to change the status quo we have taken decades to establish. We will get you in the end, if not sooner!

bob
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 08, 2021, 01:26:41 PM
Possibly unpopular opinion:
Laying low and insulating yourself from a system that's becoming increasing tumultuous works for the early stages of the collapse.  However, inevitably it will reorganize, and the reorganizers will need a scapegoat to blame the problems on and shift public anger away from themselves.  For instance, look to the early stages of the USSR.  Dropping out works for now, but consider in time, you may need to expatriate to avoid becoming a casualty of political violence.  =(  Plan accordingly.

Book: "You got a plan?"

Mal: "Hiding ain't a plan?"

Book: "It'll do you for a spell."

Nick makes some good points, but becoming an expatriate isn't any sort of solution.

At the risk of sounding jingoistic, the United States is the last bastion of liberty in the world.  If it falls to socialism/authoritarianism/totalitarianism, if the light of liberty is extinguished here, then it is extinguished everywhere.  If it comes to that, we have to stand and fight.  This is our country, not theirs.

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 08, 2021, 01:36:21 PM
Book: "You got a plan?"

Mal: "Hiding ain't a plan?"

Book: "It'll do you for a spell."

Nick makes some good points, but becoming an expatriate isn't any sort of solution.

At the risk of sounding jingoistic, the United States is the last bastion of liberty in the world.  If it falls to socialism/authoritarianism/totalitarianism, if the light of liberty is extinguished here, then it is extinguished everywhere.  If it comes to that, we have to stand and fight.  This is our country, not theirs.



And yet the resistance took pics, smeared poo, got one lady shot, and now things are gonna get worse
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on January 08, 2021, 01:46:22 PM
And yet the resistance took pics, smeared poo, got one lady shot, and now things are gonna get worse

That's because it was a group of right wing idiots, with the same outlook on political rallies as left wing idiots.  They are social events, to be crowed about on social media, to meet up with fellow activists and have a good time and reaffirm one anothers' political views.

None of those people there had a tangible action plan to create the change they wanted if they happened to actually seize the House Floor.  Much like the BLM activists had no tangible action plan to create the change they wanted if they happened to seize a police station or court building.

On a serious note, how likely does anyone think it is that we'll see any of the following State level actions in the next four years?:
-Mandatory paper ballots
-Mandatory release of source code for electronic voting systems
-Creation of distributed block chain voting systems
-Elimination or reduction of mail in ballots
-Creation of felony crimes and assignment of specific responsibilities of elections staff at precincts to enforce auditability of elections
-Nullification of a precinct's entire vote tally if vote tampering is demonstrated
-Nullification of a precinct's entire vote tally if the precinct political party leaders don't sign off on the count process
-Legislative audit and destruction of vote processes put in place by unauthorized parties, such as Secretaries of States or Governors
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 08, 2021, 01:47:52 PM
And yet the resistance took pics, smeared poo ...

I missed the smeared poo.

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... got one lady shot ...

May have killed a police officer, as well.

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and now things are gonna get worse

I'm not condoning what happened at the Capitol, just to be clear.

Yes, things are going to get worse, perhaps a lot worse.

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 08, 2021, 01:48:47 PM
That's because it was a group of right wing idiots, with the same outlook on political rallies as left wing idiots.  They are social events, to be crowed about on social media, to meet up with fellow activists and have a good time and reaffirm one anothers' political views.

None of those people there had a tangible action plan to create the change they wanted if they happened to actually seize the House Floor.  Much like the BLM activists had no tangible action plan to create the change they wanted if they happened to seize a police station or court building.

On a serious note, how likely does anything think it is that we'll see any of the following State level actions in the next four years?:
-Mandatory paper ballots
-Mandatory release of source code for electronic voting systems
-Creation of distributed block chain voting systems
-Elimination or reduction of mail in ballots
-Creation of felony crimes and assignment of specific responsibilities of elections staff at precincts to enforce auditability of elections
-Nullification of a precinct's entire vote tally if vote tampering is demonstrated
-Nullification of a precinct's entire vote tally if the precinct political party leaders don't sign off on the count process
-Legislative audit and destruction of vote processes put in place by unauthorized parties, such as Secretaries of States or Governors

There will be no improvements in election accountability or procedures
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 08, 2021, 01:49:15 PM
Also, here's a photo of the overall rally. What percentage of these people were "violent insurrectionists"? If you want to talk about "mostly peaceful", here's an example:

(https://img.theepochtimes.com/assets/uploads/2021/01/06/Washington-DC-rally-2-700x420.jpg)

So about 50 to 75 people?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 08, 2021, 01:50:39 PM
93% peaceful
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 08, 2021, 02:32:23 PM
That's because it was a group of right wing idiots, with the same outlook on political rallies as left wing idiots.  They are social events, to be crowed about on social media, to meet up with fellow activists and have a good time and reaffirm one anothers' political views.

None of those people there had a tangible action plan to create the change they wanted if they happened to actually seize the House Floor.  Much like the BLM activists had no tangible action plan to create the change they wanted if they happened to seize a police station or court building.

On a serious note, how likely does anyone think it is that we'll see any of the following State level actions in the next four years?:
-Mandatory paper ballots
-Mandatory release of source code for electronic voting systems
-Creation of distributed block chain voting systems
-Elimination or reduction of mail in ballots
-Creation of felony crimes and assignment of specific responsibilities of elections staff at precincts to enforce auditability of elections
-Nullification of a precinct's entire vote tally if vote tampering is demonstrated
-Nullification of a precinct's entire vote tally if the precinct political party leaders don't sign off on the count process
-Legislative audit and destruction of vote processes put in place by unauthorized parties, such as Secretaries of States or Governors


I will take bets on the opposite of all of those. I just heard this morning that Pelosi is seriously considering the "16 years old to vote" thing. Also making DC a state, so two more dem senators.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on January 08, 2021, 02:58:14 PM

I will take bets on the opposite of all of those. I just heard this morning that Pelosi is seriously considering the "16 years old to vote" thing. Also making DC a state, so two more dem senators.

All of these are State level action items.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 08, 2021, 03:12:20 PM
Not DC, but I think this is what we can start looking forward to, especially after Biden's announcement that they will be redefining "domestic terrorist". Every big corporation is going to panic react first, and maybe, if it doesn't get them in trouble with the people who lied about an incident in the first place, correct their mistake after the innocent victim has been social media shamed. I'm not counting on the latter.

I only thank God everyday that I'm no longer in any kind of position where people could cancel me like this.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/01/08/tariq-nasheed-just-got-a-violent-suspected-white-supremacist-fired-from-toyota-for-pulling-a-black-woman-out-of-harms-way-at-la-protest/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Boomhauer on January 08, 2021, 03:12:54 PM
There will be no improvements in election accountability or procedures

The states that would implement such measures aren’t the problem states.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 08, 2021, 03:13:54 PM
The states that would implement such measures aren’t the problem states.

What he said.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on January 08, 2021, 03:17:08 PM
You don't think there's enough sensible bipartisan support in Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, Florida and the like to implement any of that?

Gotta keep in mind, there was a lot of Trump hate that crept into what are typically Red voters.

And this issue can be sold to the public in a populist manner quite easily.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 08, 2021, 03:26:20 PM
You don't think there's enough sensible bipartisan support in Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, Florida and the like to implement any of that?


Sadly, no I don't. The only way you will get bipartisan support is if the dem ox is gored by what you want to fix. Right now, all that stuff is an advantage to them.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on January 08, 2021, 03:29:43 PM
Then BLM style riotous behavior is the only solution, short of real revolution.  Make life so uncomfortable for them that they yield, much the same as the BLM tactic.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: cordex on January 08, 2021, 03:30:01 PM
Sadly, no I don't. The only way you will get bipartisan support is if the dem ox is gored by what you want to fix. Right now, all that stuff is an advantage to them.
Yep.

The democrats have to back the idea that the system works perfectly as is and doesn't need to be fixed.  They can't open the door to improvements while simultaneously saying that anyone claiming that the election was less than perfectly conducted is a conspiracy theorist.

Republican controlled states may improve election security, but that is about it.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: cordex on January 08, 2021, 03:32:10 PM
Then BLM style riotous behavior is the only solution, short of real revolution.  Make life so uncomfortable for them that they yield, much the same as the BLM tactic.
1. That sucked with BLM did it and it would suck if the right did it.
2. BLM was only able to continue because they had the backing of the metro areas they were doing it in, the media, and all the major tech platforms.  The right does not have that.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on January 08, 2021, 03:34:19 PM
1. That sucked with BLM did it and it would suck if the right did it.
2. BLM was only able to continue because they had the backing of the metro areas they were doing it in, the media, and all the major tech platforms.  The right does not have that.

Bundies came out high and dry both times.  Well, except Lavoy Finicum.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Blakenzy on January 08, 2021, 04:30:42 PM
A way forward is perhaps to retreat into the States, counties, municipalities school boards and vote the poo out at the local level. Freedom loving people have got to get organized and active and rebuild from the ground up because the top is rotten beyond salvation.

The weakness of freedom loving individuals is that they just want to get by and no be involved.. the problem is that people who don't quite hve the same ideals will get YOU involved whether you like it or not, and most likely put you on the short end of the stick.

Now we have to define exactly what the poo is. The usual labels of "left", "liberal", "dems" just doesn't cover it.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 08, 2021, 04:46:13 PM
Video shows Capitol police opening the doors and letting protestors inside:

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/01/08/wtf-is-going-on-here-video-shows-capitol-police-opening-the-doors-standing-aside-and-inviting-protesters-inside/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 08, 2021, 05:16:39 PM
It appears the dems may be able to impeach Trump before he leaves office which would, you know, totally heal and unify the country.  ;/

At this point it's just spite. There are also Rs that will vote for this, and with the baseline being not 2/3s, but 2/3s present to vote, it only takes a bunch of spineless Rs that are afraid for their political careers to simply not show up to vote.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but if they go through with such a spiteful action, you'll never again here me say on this forum, "yeah, but there are some dems we can at least debate with". I'll then never give any dem the benefit of the doubt again. What they're doing is scorched Earth.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/will-democrats-impeach-trump-how-it-works
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 08, 2021, 05:21:26 PM
It appears the dems may be able to impeach Trump before he leaves office which would, you know, totally heal and unify the country.  ;/

At this point it's just spite. There are also Rs that will vote for this, and with the baseline being not 2/3s, but 2/3s present to vote, it only takes a bunch of spineless Rs that are afraid for their political careers to simply not show up to vote.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but if they go through with such a spiteful action, you'll never again here me say on this forum, "yeah, but there are some dems we can at least debate with". I'll then never give any dem the benefit of the doubt again. What they're doing is scorched Earth.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/will-democrats-impeach-trump-how-it-works

Good

We need a complete breakdown imo

It’s nearly time
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Phyphor on January 08, 2021, 05:40:07 PM
Good

We need a complete breakdown imo

It’s nearly time

I suspect you'll be getting your wish, soon.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: zxcvbob on January 08, 2021, 05:40:25 PM
I've made the mistake before of voting for a Democrat because the NRA endorsed him.  As soon as he got to Washington, he *expletive deleted*ed us over every chance he got on gun rights issues.  Never again.  That doesn't mean I will always vote for the Republican because they think I'm obligated to.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 08, 2021, 05:43:43 PM
That doesn't mean I will always vote for the Republican because they think I'm obligated to.

This too.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on January 08, 2021, 05:56:07 PM
1. That sucked with BLM did it and it would suck if the right did it.
2. BLM was only able to continue because they had the backing of the metro areas they were doing it in, the media, and all the major tech platforms.  The right does not have that.
There were also groups of lawyers with funding providing legal support and protection. 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 08, 2021, 05:59:48 PM
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/IMG_3378.JPG)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fly320s on January 08, 2021, 06:04:07 PM
I'm happy that rioters stormed the capital building. Let that be a wakeup call to all politicians.  Politicians can be reached, can be touched, can be affected by the policies they preach.  Politicians are not a protected class or superhuman; they are just humans and humans can be easily hurt.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on January 08, 2021, 06:17:26 PM
I'm happy that rioters stormed the capital building. Let that be a wakeup call to all politicians.  Politicians can be reached, can be touched, can be affected by the policies they preach.  Politicians are not a protected class or superhuman; they are just humans and humans can be easily hurt.
As long as we understand their reaction is likely not to give us back our rights, but to go overboard on the authoritarian security and control. 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: AmbulanceDriver on January 08, 2021, 06:23:49 PM
Good

We need a complete breakdown imo

It’s nearly time

A few years back, I was worried that we would see another civil war in my lifetime.

Now I'm worried we're not going to make it through the next 4 years before it kicks off.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 08, 2021, 06:34:51 PM
As long as we understand their reaction is likely not to give us back our rights, but to go overboard on the authoritarian security and control. 

Your rights are not given to you by another person.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: bedlamite on January 08, 2021, 06:39:05 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-election-cyber/update-3-laptop-stolen-from-pelosis-office-during-storming-of-u-s-capitol-says-aide-idUSL1N2JJ1ZT

Whomever took it needs to get it public.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 08, 2021, 06:40:59 PM
As long as we understand their reaction is likely not to give us back our rights, but to go overboard on the authoritarian security and control. 

They are already doing that, maybe some fear and Mayham iswhat they need
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 08, 2021, 06:52:36 PM
Twitter has permabanned Trump. Not regarding anything he said since his account was unlocked, but because he MIGHT say something.

This is so dangerous I cannot say. Again, twitter must die. I haven't been one of the "civil war" people, but if it starts, twitter and facebook and google will be major reasons why. This is absolutely totalitarian, and it's not even being done by the actual government. This is serious *expletive deleted*it.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/08/siren-twitter-has-permanently-suspended-donald-trump/

The left is throwing the term "insurrection" around about others while they are actually practicing it.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: bedlamite on January 08, 2021, 07:00:00 PM
if it starts

It already has, just not the shooting part yet.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: French G. on January 08, 2021, 07:22:22 PM
The amazing thing is trump is just the distraction while the con moves the shell. Congress couldn’t decide if AOC should bring still or sparkling water to the chamber in 12 days. The impeachment is about sliding in Raskin’s 25th amendment change to let congress remove a president. That’s a coup.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: lee n. field on January 08, 2021, 07:22:27 PM
It appears the dems may be able to impeach Trump before he leaves office which would, you know, totally heal and unify the country.  ;/

At this point it's just spite. There are also Rs that will vote for this, and with the baseline being not 2/3s, but 2/3s present to vote, it only takes a bunch of spineless Rs that are afraid for their political careers to simply not show up to vote.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but if they go through with such a spiteful action, you'll never again here me say on this forum, "yeah, but there are some dems we can at least debate with". I'll then never give any dem the benefit of the doubt again. What they're doing is scorched Earth.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/will-democrats-impeach-trump-how-it-works

I've been there for a while.   There was one "downstate" (not Chicago) D. who was instrumental in getting IL it's carry law.    And I still think Glen Poshard would have been a better gov. than nominal R. George <spit!> Ryan.  But, now?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 08, 2021, 07:49:51 PM
Seems like this thread is a fitting place for this:

Now Apple will likely be removing Parler from the Apple store. So if it's not the actual social media site banning people, now the, basically service providers, are banning entire platforms if they don't toe the progressive line. Given the whole reason Parler was started, I doubt they will comply. Then if Google does the same thing to them, they are basically dead in the water.

I mean, I don't even need my tinfoil anymore. This is total communication control.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/08/did-aoc-do-this-apple-threatens-to-kick-parler-out-of-the-app-store/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 08, 2021, 09:27:26 PM
It already has, just not the shooting part yet.

There is very little conventional fighting in fourth generation warfare.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 08, 2021, 09:28:51 PM
Seems like this thread is a fitting place for this:

Now Apple will likely be removing Parler from the Apple store. So if it's not the actual social media site banning people, now the, basically service providers, are banning entire platforms if they don't toe the progressive line. Given the whole reason Parler was started, I doubt they will comply. Then if Google does the same thing to them, they are basically dead in the water.

I mean, I don't even need my tinfoil anymore. This is total communication control.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/08/did-aoc-do-this-apple-threatens-to-kick-parler-out-of-the-app-store/

Went to the Google store.  Already gone.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: zxcvbob on January 08, 2021, 09:32:30 PM
Does Parler have a downloadable APK file for "sideloading" the app?  (bypassing Google Play)  I couldn't find one.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 08, 2021, 10:28:00 PM
How is his not a monopoly/antitrust type of move?
Granted, our current legal system overlords wouldn't rule against it.

I'm starting to feel like this week is the watershed moment that will mark the beginning the end of he Republic as we knew it.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 08, 2021, 10:29:30 PM
Went to the Google store.  Already gone.

Yup:
https://twitter.com/TheRalphRetort/status/1347706702976724999

Silence dissent.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Andiron on January 08, 2021, 10:32:54 PM
How is his not a monopoly/antitrust type of move?
Granted, our current legal system overlords wouldn't rule against it.

I'm starting to feel like this week is the watershed moment that will mark the beginning the end of he Republic as we knew it.

Agreed.

All the noise of "Trump crossing the Rubicon".  He had a rally,  riled up a bunch of useful idiots and left us holding the bag.  And now the establishment would vote for full confiscation of all guns, "reparations", and re-education camps to avoid being painted with the same brush.

Trump might be pussed out ( and I never thought he wouldn't),  but the die is most certainly cast for the rest of us.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 08, 2021, 10:36:19 PM
President-elect Clark and the Nightwatch aren't wasting any time.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 08, 2021, 10:38:35 PM
Does Parler have a downloadable APK file for "sideloading" the app?  (bypassing Google Play)  I couldn't find one.

Not exactly what you were asking, but ...

https://twitter.com/joshgerstein/status/1347707126161006599
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Boomhauer on January 08, 2021, 10:52:22 PM
Agreed.

All the noise of "Trump crossing the Rubicon".  He had a rally,  riled up a bunch of useful idiots and left us holding the bag.  And now the establishment would vote for full confiscation of all guns, "reparations", and re-education camps to avoid being painted with the same brush.

Trump might be pussed out ( and I never thought he wouldn't),  but the die is most certainly cast for the rest of us.

They would do that anyway even without this.


Everyone in Washington cares only about power and money. Long as they can pass laws and bills  with impunity to give themselves such they all will. Throwing us a bone on stuff like gun laws and such is just to buy our votes and they no longer have to worry about votes.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: zxcvbob on January 08, 2021, 10:55:22 PM
Not exactly what you were asking, but ...

https://twitter.com/joshgerstein/status/1347707126161006599


 I did find an APK file for Parler, but not on Parler's website.  They need to host it themselves -- although I wonder who their ISP is?  (I suspect the ISP will jump on the bandwagon and shut them down.)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Jim147 on January 08, 2021, 11:01:42 PM
Trump is saying he will make his own site.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: cordex on January 09, 2021, 12:46:49 AM
Trump is saying he will make his own site.
How many minutes until it is likewise blocked and banned?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Blakenzy on January 09, 2021, 02:47:48 AM
You can really start to feel the clench of tyranny now huh? And it's not coming from Government per se, in fact Government and Law is being bypassed to achieve that authoritarianism. We are headed into a neo feudal global society.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 09, 2021, 08:25:26 AM
There's now video of an identified progressive activist encouraging people to storm the Capitol. Snippet for those who can't read the article:

Quote
John Sullivan, videographer and founder of “a group for racial justice and police reform,” posted a video on YouTube on Jan. 7 that shows him entering the Capitol building in Washington with a group of Trump supporters and possibly others on the previous day. He’s heard on video encouraging others and convincing Capitol police to let the trespassers through at several impasses. The video also reveals further details about the situation that led to the death of Ashley Babbitt, an Air Force veteran shot inside the building by Capitol Police.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/self-proclaimed-revolutionary-eggs-on-capitol-intruders-as-he-records-them-publishes-video_3649617.html?utm_source=share-btn-copylink&st=CnwI1R6-XA1xQTT33qDdhrbbBO6mXk3E9otzUdrtj9iJjvwzgIGGuexprcYvh_J2N6oFBpupuwDu6j1w8uL0o5AuB4rKiuvEdvk
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on January 09, 2021, 08:38:54 AM
Looks like there is a big push for action against Domestic Terrorism.

Shutting down or punishing Epoch Times, Newsmax, OAN and even Fox was mentioned in one article.

Is the word "*let's not go there*" still off limits? There are so many *let's not go there* on the so called right, spits, it would take a new thread to list them all. The submissive nature of the American "right" is disgusting. It's almost as if they enjoy the humiliation. They are fakes, not of the right at all.




Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 09, 2021, 09:37:51 AM
Companies firing people for participating in the "riot"

Rioters who stormed US Capitol now face backlash at work
https://www.wlky.com/article/rioters-who-stormed-us-capitol-now-face-backlash-at-work/35167272
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Boomhauer on January 09, 2021, 09:45:22 AM
Looks like there is a big push for action against Domestic Terrorism.

Shutting down or punishing Epoch Times, Newsmax, OAN and even Fox was mentioned in one article.

Is the word "*let's not go there*" still off limits? There are so many *let's not go there* on the so called right, spits, it would take a new thread to list them all. The submissive nature of the American "right" is disgusting. It's almost as if they enjoy the humiliation. They are fakes, not of the right at all.



Anything they do that they claim is retaliation for the “insurrection” they were gonna do anyway. That’s the cold hard truth.

The legislation has been drawn up and sitting in a file waiting on complete control to implement.

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 09, 2021, 10:12:56 AM
Never let a crisis go to waste.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: lee n. field on January 09, 2021, 10:35:48 AM
How many minutes until it is likewise blocked and banned?

What do dissidents do when they can't have DNS?

(Serious question, I suspect we'll run into that with general deplatforming.)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: lee n. field on January 09, 2021, 10:38:11 AM
Looks like there is a big push for action against Domestic Terrorism.

Which is of course, "raht wing terrorists", of the sort that couldn't fill an Arby's and are half fed infiltrators anyway.

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Andiron on January 09, 2021, 10:41:06 AM
What do dissidents do when they can't have DNS?

(Serious question, I suspect we'll run into that with general deplatforming.)

This.  Where do we go when the internet is off limits?  Private oldschool BBS?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 09, 2021, 11:01:05 AM
This.  Where do we go when the internet is off limits?  Private oldschool BBS?

Break out the phone modems. If you live where landlines still exist.

I'm almost serious, because if what we're seeing are allowable and popular actions, then when do the ISPs get involved? And what happens when ISPs are blocked from their connections?

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: lee n. field on January 09, 2021, 11:17:59 AM
landline speeds just suck.  Oh, you'll still have IP addresses, just not tied to a DNS name.  We're all going to end up on the dorkweb (sic) with the pedos and the druggies and the hackers and (you just watch) the Christians.

I'm also thinking, a lot of hand to hand on a USB stick.

Veracrypt (https://sourceforge.net/projects/veracrypt/), snag a copy.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MillCreek on January 09, 2021, 11:24:16 AM
Would it be inappropriate to ask the Federal informers on this board for their opinion on secure comms?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 09, 2021, 11:26:56 AM
Knew I should have kept that old phone and modem

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2e/c7/a6/2ec7a62d27552100624729c708bf5153.jpg)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: lee n. field on January 09, 2021, 11:36:54 AM
Knew I should have kept that old phone and modem

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2e/c7/a6/2ec7a62d27552100624729c708bf5153.jpg)

I'm the pack rat at work, but I threw away my Radio Shack 300 baud 30 years ago.  <wail>
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on January 09, 2021, 12:21:31 PM
They won't need to go jackboot on us, rounding us up.

They will just keep denying us access to things one by one.

Gun owners refusing to comply with voluntary buy backs will be denied bank accounts, credit and access to health care. They will freeze your retirement accounts. Non-compliant gun owners will be unemployable.

We will either submit to survive or be denied everything needed to live modern life.

They have plenty of time. No hurry.

Who you going to go out and shoot or go to war with?

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RocketMan on January 09, 2021, 12:23:45 PM
Knew I should have kept that old phone and modem

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2e/c7/a6/2ec7a62d27552100624729c708bf5153.jpg)

I've got an old portable modem around here someplace.  I used it back in my storm chasing days before wireless access became ubiquitous.
I even have a few ISA and PCI modem cards in a bin downstairs.  I should check on drivers for them.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RocketMan on January 09, 2021, 12:26:22 PM
They won't need to go jackboot on us, rounding us up.

They will just keep denying us access to things one by one.

Gun owners refusing to comply with voluntary buy backs will be denied bank accounts, credit and access to health care. They will freeze your retirement accounts. Non-compliant gun owners will be unemployable.

We will either submit to survive or be denied everything needed to live modern life.

They have plenty of time. No hurry.

Who you going to go out and shoot or go to war with?

I think you're right in that the government wouldn't need to go jackboot on us.  However, going jackboot seems to be the default government response most times.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fly320s on January 09, 2021, 12:41:06 PM

Who you going to go out and shoot or go to war with?


It won't be a red vs blue war.  It will be a guerilla war.  Hit and run.  Bombs.  Sniping.  Harassing.  Burning down entire buildings to get one politician.  Target every politician in every way possible.  Some will get the message, eventually.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on January 09, 2021, 02:56:30 PM
What do dissidents do when they can't have DNS?

(Serious question, I suspect we'll run into that with general deplatforming.)

Namecoin.

It's a blockchain based DNS that government cannot bully.

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: French G. on January 09, 2021, 03:00:44 PM
It won't be a red vs blue war.  It will be a guerilla war.  Hit and run.  Bombs.  Sniping.  Harassing.  Burning down entire buildings to get one politician.  Target every politician in every way possible.  Some will get the message, eventually.

Live life, be happy, go out on the town, go to your kid's PTA meetings. Every now and then something related to the feudal lords catches on fire. Strange, that.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 09, 2021, 03:20:18 PM
Anyways, this is no longer inciting violence:


https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/09/kathy-griffins-photo-to-encourage-trump-to-resign-apparently-doesnt-violate-any-inciting-violence-rules/

I'd like to see someone come out with some life-size Biden and Harris heads - on pikes. Then I'd like to see people display them in their yards, in their pickup beds, etc. That would be cool right? The same people that thought Trump's bloody head was funny will think the same of the heads on a pike, right? It would be equality and unity.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: HeroHog on January 09, 2021, 04:02:00 PM
I have a couple of USB Modems in my Computer Emergency Backpack. Used one a few times when we first moved back and were staying in a friend's storage area (It had a bedroom/office we slept in).
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: fifth_column on January 09, 2021, 04:02:50 PM
Anyways, this is no longer inciting violence:


https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/09/kathy-griffins-photo-to-encourage-trump-to-resign-apparently-doesnt-violate-any-inciting-violence-rules/

I'd like to see someone come out with some life-size Biden and Harris heads - on pikes. Then I'd like to see people display them in their yards, in their pickup beds, etc. That would be cool right? The same people that thought Trump's bloody head was funny will think the same of the heads on a pike, right? It would be equality and unity.


The tweet's been taken down, for what it's worth.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 09, 2021, 04:06:50 PM
The tweet's been taken down, for what it's worth.

They say it's removed, the the picture is still there.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 09, 2021, 04:30:16 PM
It's always about race

Quote
    And yet, as days pass after pro-Trump insurrectionists stormed into the U.S. Capitol, the NHL world has been largely silent and passive, retreating once again behind its apolitical shield.

    …

    At its core, the storming of the Capitol represented a violent white supremacist insurrection, the actions of people worked into a frenzy against a multiracial democracy. When people, including NHL players, took to the streets to protest against police shootings and systemic racism, this is exactly the sick and debased ideology they were standing up against.

    On Wednesday though, when the opportunity presented itself to specifically condemn these actions—that were so clearly against what players say they stand for—why were so many in the hockey community so utterly silent?
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/01/09/usa-today-notes-the-telling-silence-of-nhl-players-since-the-storming-of-the-capitol-building-by-white-supremacists/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 09, 2021, 04:35:07 PM
It's always about race
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/01/09/usa-today-notes-the-telling-silence-of-nhl-players-since-the-storming-of-the-capitol-building-by-white-supremacists/

And there's some of what we're talking about in the other thread - removing language and definitions and replacing them to fit new narratives. Any time white people protest about anything, it means they're white supremacists and thus they should be dismissed or outright loathed.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 09, 2021, 05:24:48 PM
It's always about race
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/01/09/usa-today-notes-the-telling-silence-of-nhl-players-since-the-storming-of-the-capitol-building-by-white-supremacists/

From the comments:

"Has the US Curling Team made an official statement?"
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RocketMan on January 09, 2021, 05:26:26 PM
To heck with the US Curling Team.  I want to know about the US Lawn Bowling Team!  Have they denounced the white supremacists that stormed the capitol?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 09, 2021, 05:48:14 PM
 :facepalm:

https://twitter.com/bigangrylaw/status/1348007294148227072

Please tell me that no one is this stupid.










Never mind, I already know the answer.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 09, 2021, 06:03:02 PM
:facepalm:

https://twitter.com/bigangrylaw/status/1348007294148227072

Please tell me that no one is this stupid.










Never mind, I already know the answer.

All I get is
Quote
This is not available to you

Edit: Never mind, came up on the 3rd try
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 09, 2021, 06:07:19 PM
Anyway, on the while inciting thing...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1347703375270350851
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 09, 2021, 06:24:50 PM
Funny how when there's a request for the same data on the left the data is lost for some reason.

Quote
Incoming-Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Mark Warner (D-VA) on Friday sent a letter to the CEOs of social media platforms and telecommunications companies about last week's riot at the United States Capitol. Warner instructed the companies to "preserve digital evidence" of the riot.

Warner wants the platforms to "immediately preserve any and all posts, communications, videos and other media, meta-data, cloud backups, and subscriber information, whether currently on your platform or in any backup or archived state." He made the instruction in anticipation of formal legal proceedings.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2021/01/09/incoming-senate-intel-committee-chair-issues-tech-directive-over-capitol-hill-rio-n2582872
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Nick1911 on January 09, 2021, 06:32:06 PM
What do dissidents do when they can't have DNS?

(Serious question, I suspect we'll run into that with general deplatforming.)

Honestly, we'll probably all end up on a forum accessible on TOR, hosted on servers in a neutral country.  I mucked with it in the past and found it fairy easy to do.

Also, we really should start creating pgp keypairs and distributing our public keys to people we communicate with.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Cliffh on January 09, 2021, 07:13:11 PM


Who you going to go out and shoot or go to war with?



DW & I were discussing that earlier this evening.  We decided it wouldn't make much sense to try to go after leftists/antifa/blm etc. - it'd be too hard to ID them.  Government workers, easy enough to ID, but well protected.

There is the question of who would take over the governance of the country?  And who would lead any efforts to replace the current .gov?  A full-blown coup would require a military style setup for the insurrectionists, with a leader (or committee), generals, captains, lieutenants, sergeants etc.

Guerrilla warfare would be do-able.  One would have to hope that the remaining leaders would get the (correct) message and start behaving as desired.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: cordex on January 09, 2021, 10:44:10 PM
If it comes down to regular murders and assassination as tools of political debate (to say nothing of reprisal killings and "collateral damage"), there would not be enough of a country left functioning to worry about governing.  That's not a pathway I want to even consider at the moment.

I just finished an interview by Bret Weinstein of Jeremy Lee Quin, an independent reporter who was at the capitol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFJdjO0fD4E

Bret is a self described far-leftist, and Jeremy Lee Quin also identifies at left, but both have been deplatformed and are regularly attacked by "their side" for the unforgivable crime of being willing to talk with their political opponents in good faith.  I certainly didn't agree with everything said in the interview, but felt that they addressed it in as well as could be expected and provided some good context and importantly an outsider viewpoint that is at least trying for objectivity.

One major takeaway was the diversity of the crowd, including the people who broke in.  He mentioned interviewing someone who was favorable to white nationalism (notably the very first he has found so far while covering these kinds of events) but also running into "grandmas for Trump" inside the capitol building.

He also discusses the commonality of the tactics between the rioters at the capitol and the antifa affiliated groups.

Good interview, and worth the time to listen.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Andiron on January 09, 2021, 11:01:43 PM
:facepalm:

https://twitter.com/bigangrylaw/status/1348007294148227072

Please tell me that no one is this stupid.


Never mind, I already know the answer.




Surely you know a lefty that deserves to go on that list..
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 09, 2021, 11:05:45 PM

Quote
JeffMAC
9 hours ago
⚠️
YT is getting ready to cut out the footage from inside of the capital for "music copyright". The audio in the video is a siren, noises from the crowd, and my legally owned beat playing. It's unbelievable 🤦‍♂️ if you would like to see for yourself before it's cut out, it's said to be the time frame of [1:53:13 - 1:54:26] in my video titled "LIVE: Save America March Part 2 | Freedom Rally | Washington DC | Protest for Freedom | USA |"
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgyLkuMP601JhI-PjTd4AaABCQ
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on January 09, 2021, 11:29:15 PM
Isn't it odd that there's no branch or organization in our government standing up for the historic American ideals and principles supposedly protected by the constitution? Like freedom of speech, freedom of association, protection of the institution of free and fair elections etc? It's hard to believe it's all compromised through and through.





 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on January 10, 2021, 09:53:54 AM
The Latest: Pelosi Ties Rioters' Actions to 'Whiteness'
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is accusing the Trump supporters who rioted in the Capitol this week of choosing what she calls “their whiteness" over democracy.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-01-09/the-latest-senator-wants-crime-scene-evidence-preserved

Quote
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Latest on the fallout of the storming of the Capitol by a mob of pro-Trump loyalists (all times local):

4:20 p.m.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is accusing the Trump supporters who rioted in the Capitol this week of choosing “their whiteness over democracy.”

The California Democrat used an online video meeting with her hometown San Francisco constituents to criticize the overwhelmingly white mob that attacked Congress on Wednesday as it met to formally finalize Joe Biden’s presidential victory.

“It has been an epiphany for the world to see that there are people in our country led by this president, for the moment, who have chosen their whiteness over democracy,” Pelosi said.

4:20 p.m.  :lol:  Clown world, honk honk
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: TommyGunn on January 10, 2021, 10:36:52 AM
 [popcorn]
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 10, 2021, 11:07:04 AM
Someone posted this in another forum   [tinfoil]

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/899B9BB7-A0AB-4FB8-B5B4-CA142924800E.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)

 [tinfoil] [tinfoil] [tinfoil] [tinfoil]
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RocketMan on January 10, 2021, 11:11:05 AM
Tin foil hat stuff for sure. How do people come up with that weird crap?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 10, 2021, 12:01:21 PM
Tribunals? If the right actually held tribunals, they wouldn't be the right (or at least what they're supposed to stand for). That guy is ten donuts short of a dozen.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Andiron on January 10, 2021, 12:24:56 PM
Tin foil hat stuff for sure. How do people come up with that weird crap?

Copeium is a hell of a drug.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on January 10, 2021, 12:49:34 PM
Between Powel, Wood and the two Generals, Flynn and McInerney, the stories being told are incredible.

Top it all off with the Q Anon stuff and ...

In other areas of conspiracy world I've read stories of a break between the old guard and new guard of the behind the scenes rulers. This is what is going on behind the scenes and why things seem so crazy.

I'm pretty comfortable rejecting nearly everything our media tells us as lies, distortions, partial truths, sophisticated propaganda and psychological manipulation, particularly regarding politics.

What to actually believe regarding what is really going on in the political realm is much more difficult to suss out.



Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Brad Johnson on January 10, 2021, 01:05:30 PM
One of SWMBO's more tinfoil-hat acquaintances just Messenger'd a video of sumdood claiming that Special Forces were embedded in the Capitol rioters, that they took laptops from key reps' offices, that the laptops contained smoking-gun-level info, and that Trump was acting on it in secret as we speak. He then spent ten minutes begging everyone to have at least two weeks of non-perishables on hand right now because crap's about to get real. The acqaintance was at levitation-level frothing that we need to go to the store RIGHT NOW!!

Thankfully the cute kittens video I was watching kept my head from exploding, though the mention of emergency rations did remind me we're only two months from severe weather season and I need to start checking supplies.

Brad
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on January 10, 2021, 01:47:32 PM
They won't need to go jackboot on us, rounding us up.

They will just keep denying us access to things one by one.

Gun owners refusing to comply with voluntary buy backs will be denied bank accounts, credit and access to health care. They will freeze your retirement accounts. Non-compliant gun owners will be unemployable.

We will either submit to survive or be denied everything needed to live modern life.

They have plenty of time. No hurry.

Who you going to go out and shoot or go to war with?


I guess that is possible, but then you would have a bunch of gun owners (a portion of whom won't give up) who have nothing to lose and would be living outside the world of electronic tracking.  Kind of sets up a dangerous situation.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Boomhauer on January 10, 2021, 04:50:42 PM
One of SWMBO's more tinfoil-hat acquaintances just Messenger'd a video of sumdood claiming that Special Forces were embedded in the Capitol rioters, that they took laptops from key reps' offices, that the laptops contained smoking-gun-level info, and that Trump was acting on it in secret as we speak. He then spent ten minutes begging everyone to have at least two weeks of non-perishables on hand right now because crap's about to get real. The acqaintance was at levitation-level frothing that we need to go to the store RIGHT NOW!!

Thankfully the cute kittens video I was watching kept my head from exploding, though the mention of emergency rations did remind me we're only two months from severe weather season and I need to start checking supplies.

Brad

My conspiracy theory aunt also shared the same bullshit. She’s been claiming “they are gonna do X to stop the Dems!” for months now. Jesus Christ...

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 10, 2021, 08:14:01 PM
About to get even more sporty


Quote
    Speaker Pelosi in letter to House Democrats tonight announced the House’s plans for tomorrow’s 11am pro forma session: “Majority Leader Hoyer will request Unanimous Consent to bring up the Raskin (25th Amendment) resolution.” https://t.co/k5ycIhkIEE

    — Craig Caplan (@CraigCaplan) January 10, 2021
Nancy Pelosi to issue VP Pence an ultimatum before moving forward with the impeachment of President Trump
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/10/nancy-pelosi-to-issue-vp-pence-an-ultimatum-before-moving-forward-with-the-impeachment-of-president-trump/


Quote
    Yes, it’s the 14th Amendment, and it’s why I’m introducing a resolution to investigate and expel the members who attempted to overturn the presidential election and incited a white supremacist coup attempt.

    If you agree, call your representative and ask them to cosponsor it. https://t.co/bFSmV6M6i9

    — Cori Bush (@CoriBush) January 10, 2021
Rep. Cori Bush looks to expel GOP members of Congress using the 14th Amendment
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/10/rep-cori-bush-looks-to-expel-gop-members-of-congress-using-the-14th-amendment/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Andiron on January 10, 2021, 08:31:06 PM
About to get even more sporty

Nancy Pelosi to issue VP Pence an ultimatum before moving forward with the impeachment of President Trump
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/10/nancy-pelosi-to-issue-vp-pence-an-ultimatum-before-moving-forward-with-the-impeachment-of-president-trump/

Rep. Cori Bush looks to expel GOP members of Congress using the 14th Amendment
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/10/rep-cori-bush-looks-to-expel-gop-members-of-congress-using-the-14th-amendment/

These aholes see "white supremes" everywhere.

Game on I guess.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 10, 2021, 08:59:06 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/01/10/major-companies-begin-suspending-donations-to-republicans-involved-in-biden-certification-challenge/?sh=621efe05cf69

Quote
Hotel giant Marriott International, the health insurance network Blue Cross Blue Shield, bank holding company Commerce Bancshares and Citibank, all told Popular Information, a political newsletter run by ThinkProgress founder and editor Judd Legum, that they will stop donating to any member of Congress who objected to the certification of the Electoral College vote.

Popular Information surveyed 144 corporations that had, through their corporate PACs, donated to one or more of the eight senators who opposed the certification of President-elect Joe Biden’s win.

In addition to the vows to indefinitely suspend donations, Bank of America, Ford Motor Co. and AT&T all said they will take recent events into consideration before making future donations, while CVS Health Corp., Exxon Mobil, FexEx and Target said they are reviewing their political giving.

Marriott’s PAC donated $1,000 to the campaign of Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO) during the 2020 cycle and another $1,000 to Hawley’s leadership PAC, but the company told Forbes it will “pause” donations to those who voted against certification, including House members.

Blue Cross Blue Shield’s PAC, known as BLUEPAC, donated nearly $12,000 in total to Tommy Tuberville (R-AL), Roger Marshall (R-KS) and Hawley in the 2020 cycle, but told Popular Information it is suspending support to all 147 Republicans who voted "to subvert the results of November’s election by challenging Electoral College results."

Commerce Bancshares donated $2,500 to Marshall during the 2020 cycle, but told Popular Information it has "suspended all support for officials who have impeded the peaceful transfer of power."

Citibank’s PAC donated $1,000 to Hawley during the 2020 cycle, but said in an internal memo obtained by several news outlets on Sunday that it will “not support candidates who do not respect the rule of law” and will “pause contributions" from its PAC for the rest of the quarter.

A spokesperson for JP Morgan Chase & Co told Forbes it plans to suspend donations to both parties from its political action committee – which gave $1,000 to Marshall – for six months, with executive Peter Scher arguing in a statement “the focus of business leaders... should be on governing,” and adding, “There will be plenty of time for campaigning later.”

JP Morgan Chase may have the right idea.  As for the rest, seems to be virtue signaling.  The amounts previously donated are all pretty small.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Blakenzy on January 10, 2021, 09:50:24 PM
Seems like a full-on double sided coup. All bets are off. Crikey  :O

 [popcorn]
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 10, 2021, 10:34:13 PM
Even Parler's attorney has dropped them:

https://twitter.com/MatthewKeysLive/status/1348372956246732800
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Andiron on January 10, 2021, 10:40:39 PM
Even Parler's attorney has dropped them:

https://twitter.com/MatthewKeysLive/status/1348372956246732800


Again for the cheap seats,  why are they intent on Parler's destruction? 

(other than the obvious shameful attempt at suppression of anything right of Lenin)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Cliffh on January 10, 2021, 10:53:03 PM
Again for the cheap seats,  why are they intent on Parler's destruction?  

(other than the obvious shameful attempt at suppression of anything right of Lenin)

The Right  Freedom must be destroyed!  Everything, everyone!   [ar15] [ar15] [ar15]

No matter what form it takes.




Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 10, 2021, 11:11:16 PM
Even Parler's attorney has dropped them:

https://twitter.com/MatthewKeysLive/status/1348372956246732800


Gotta wonder what skeletons he had in his closet that the tech mafia threatened to expose.
Or, are they up to threatening his family?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 10, 2021, 11:14:59 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/L5EN3v2.jpg)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: bedlamite on January 11, 2021, 12:44:09 AM
Again for the cheap seats,  why are they intent on Parler's destruction? 

(other than the obvious shameful attempt at suppression of anything right of Lenin)

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NzvFNLAnYNw/maxresdefault.jpg)

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on January 11, 2021, 08:33:52 AM
Arnold totally c-ucked.

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 11, 2021, 08:43:52 AM
Stuff like this doesn't help:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-close-to-half-house-nearly-dying-riots
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on January 11, 2021, 09:01:09 AM
The gaslighting is epic.

We are watching a color revolution taking place before our eyes.

Everything in the media was pretty fake before all of this so I'm certainly not believing anything being reported now that the leftists have assumed and asserted control of everything.


 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 11, 2021, 09:04:44 AM
Stuff like this doesn't help:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-close-to-half-house-nearly-dying-riots

Cue the cries of PTSD
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RocketMan on January 11, 2021, 09:41:39 AM
Even Parler's attorney has dropped them:

https://twitter.com/MatthewKeysLive/status/1348372956246732800

Probably a leftist to start with.  He took the gig because it paid well, stuck with it until pressure from family, friends and peers overcame his natural greed.
Or, he's virtue signaling.  Or both.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 11, 2021, 09:42:54 AM
Probably a leftist to start with.  He took the gig because it paid well, stuck with it until pressure from family, friends and peers overcame his natural greed.
Or, he's virtue signaling.  Or both.

Or death threats from the 93% peaceful left
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on January 11, 2021, 10:09:04 AM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/01/10/major-companies-begin-suspending-donations-to-republicans-involved-in-biden-certification-challenge/?sh=621efe05cf69

JP Morgan Chase may have the right idea.  As for the rest, seems to be virtue signaling.  The amounts previously donated are all pretty small.

You almost think they assume R's will never regain power in D.C. for some reason. 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: dogmush on January 11, 2021, 10:10:05 AM
You almost think they assume R's will never regain power in D.C. for some reason. 

They assume that even if the R's do regain power there won't be any organized retribution.  They are almost certainly correct.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Blakenzy on January 11, 2021, 10:32:11 AM
D's and R's are riding the same fascist wave. Now is the time to pick sides, lick boots and prove your loyalty to the new overlords.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 11, 2021, 11:07:55 AM
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/2d0de1761d0e0cac666ae8ccb72d86b8.jpg)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 11, 2021, 03:31:04 PM
From just perusing news articles, there are dozens of them regarding the arrest of such and such individuals identified in the crowd in the capitol. It's already looking like they have arrested more people for this than for all the antifa riots all year.

Kind of also shows how big brother isn't the gov, but social media, since it's there that info to track all these people down given by all kinds of individuals on social media is how the arrests are happening. Who needs cameras on every street corner and drones when you have a liberal neighbor with a friendface account?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 11, 2021, 03:35:14 PM
Basically we went from December 2020 to January 1984.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: cordex on January 11, 2021, 03:51:51 PM
From just perusing news articles, there are dozens of them regarding the arrest of such and such individuals identified in the crowd in the capitol. It's already looking like they have arrested more people for this than for all the antifa riots all year.
Doesn't help that the Trump rioters by and large didn't wear masks and didn't all go dressed alike.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RocketMan on January 11, 2021, 03:59:52 PM
Doesn't help that the Trump rioters by and large didn't wear masks and didn't all go dressed alike.

I wonder if some of the identification is being done via facial recognition over security cameras?  If so, there must be a database somewhere containing a ton of average, ordinary folks facial ID without their knowledge.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on January 11, 2021, 04:02:42 PM
I wonder if some of the identification is being done via facial recognition over security cameras?  If so, there must be a database somewhere containing a ton of average, ordinary folks facial ID without their knowledge.

All the photos loaded up into facebook etc have to be good for something right?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RocketMan on January 11, 2021, 04:03:38 PM
All the photos loaded up into facebook etc have to be good for something right?

This is true.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 11, 2021, 04:03:48 PM
I wonder if some of the identification is being done via facial recognition over security cameras?  If so, there must be a database somewhere containing a ton of average, ordinary folks facial ID without their knowledge.

what the hell do you think all those apps to "turn your selfie into a painting/retouch your selfie/pixar-ify yourself" are?

What do you think the crap on facebook is?

Americans have been forking over ALL their identifying info, data, and biometrics to these tech companies for years.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RocketMan on January 11, 2021, 04:05:07 PM
what the hell do you think all those apps to "turn your selfie into a painting/retouch your selfie/pixar-ify yourself" are?

What do you think the crap on facebook is?

Americans have been forking over ALL their identifying info, data, and biometrics to these tech companies for years.

I don't mess with any of that crap, so my awareness of it is somewhat limited.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: zahc on January 11, 2021, 04:30:19 PM
They probably don't even have to use facial recognition. It should be easy to nab everyone just based on their phone location data or the metadata of the photos they themselves took or otherwise provided. It's possible they were smart enough to turn off their phones but if they weren't smart enough to wear a disguise, or if they deliberately wanted to ve identifiable then I doubt it.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 11, 2021, 04:32:25 PM
They probably don't even have to use facial recognition. It should be easy to nab everyone just based on their phone location data or the metadata of the photos they themselves took or otherwise provided. It's possible they were smart enough to turn off their phones but if they weren't smart enough to wear a disguise, or if they deliberately wanted to ve identifiable then I doubt it.

Refer to many of the morons that were smiling for the camera as their pics were taken and uploaded to the social medias.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: dogmush on January 11, 2021, 04:37:35 PM
To be fair to the morons, they had no reason to think they would be prosecuted.

Was anyone prosecuted from the Kavanagh hearing storming? I know there were some arrests, but I thought it was catch and release.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 11, 2021, 04:43:34 PM
To be fair to the morons, they had no reason to think they would be prosecuted.

Was anyone prosecuted from the Kavanagh hearing storming? I know there were some arrests, but I thought it was catch and release.

This is accurate. We just went through literal MONTHS of politicians making excuses for ACTUAL rioting and burning of businesses, police stations, federal buildings.

Nobody thought they'd be prosecuted for sitting in a chair cheesing for a picture.

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on January 11, 2021, 04:47:15 PM
It's being called an act of sedition, treason and insurrection.

I sat through a bit of a Phone Townhall with my congressman. He was so enraged he splattered me with spittle through the phone  :P

The Democrats not only are looking at trying to get Trump supporting congressman thrown out of congress but looking at legal actions!
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: zxcvbob on January 11, 2021, 05:09:46 PM
It's being called an act of sedition, treason and insurrection.

I sat through a bit of a Phone Townhall with my congressman. He was so enraged he splattered me with spittle through the phone  :P

The Democrats not only are looking at trying to get Trump supporting congressman thrown out of congress but looking at legal actions!

I suspect they are searching for a legal excuse to summarily execute them.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on January 11, 2021, 05:15:40 PM
AR15.com got booted off GoDaddy.  Backup site at https://www.ar15-backup.com

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on January 11, 2021, 05:17:13 PM
https://babylonbee.com/news/to-avoid-tech-censorship-the-babylon-bee-releases-innovative-new-print-edition
To Avoid Tech Censorship, The Babylon Bee Announces Innovative New Print Edition
(https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-7743-1.jpg)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 11, 2021, 05:25:38 PM
AR15.com got booted off GoDaddy.  Backup site at https://www.ar15-backup.com

I'm not the most web-savvy person, but ar15.com seems to be working fine for me (as of this writing).

(ETA: never mind.  Typing "ar15.com" takes one to ar15-backup.com.   :facepalm:)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 11, 2021, 05:36:52 PM
To be fair to the morons, they had no reason to think they would be prosecuted.

Was anyone prosecuted from the Kavanagh hearing storming? I know there were some arrests, but I thought it was catch and release.

Point taken. Some of the charges I'm seeing for High School antics are frightening.

That's not to take away from people facing charges for things like beating that one cop half to death. However treason and sedition charges for posing for pictures kinda take away from the more serious crime.

In the meantime most of the antifas that were charged came under misdemeanor mischief type charges, and most of those were dropped IIRC. Not to mention the vice president elect posting bail for them.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 11, 2021, 06:07:10 PM
Mother of horned invader who stormed Capitol says he hasn’t eaten because jail doesn’t serve all-organic food
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/01/11/mother-of-horned-invader-who-stormed-capitol-says-he-hasnt-eaten-because-jail-doesnt-serve-all-organic-food/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on January 11, 2021, 06:22:55 PM
The horned guy, big leader of the insurrection ;/

https://heavy.com/news/jacob-chansley-jake-angeli/

Quote
I spoke with Jake Angeli, the QAnon guy who got inside the Senate chamber. He said police eventually gave up trying to stop him and other Trump supporters, and let them in. After a while, he said police politely asked him to leave and let him go without arrest — Adrian Morrow (@AdrianMorrow) January 6, 2021
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: tokugawa on January 11, 2021, 06:24:46 PM
I wonder if some of the identification is being done via facial recognition over security cameras?  If so, there must be a database somewhere containing a ton of average, ordinary folks facial ID without their knowledge.

 Where do you think your drivers license photo ends up? Notice how they have you stand a certain way, hold you head at a certain angle?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 11, 2021, 08:10:12 PM
(https://scrn.li/uploads/a/a6/a69/a694/a6944/a6944a/a6944a19-9829-0555-876c-3c486aef50d9/NWVurG1bM96N84)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: lee n. field on January 11, 2021, 08:50:52 PM
(https://scrn.li/uploads/a/a6/a69/a694/a6944/a6944a/a6944a19-9829-0555-876c-3c486aef50d9/NWVurG1bM96N84)


Ho ho ho!  To The Book of Faces it goes, because I know someone who will be triggereddddd!
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 11, 2021, 11:47:00 PM
Quote
The D.C. National Guard plans to have at minimum 10,000 troops in D.C. by Saturday in order to boost security before the inauguration.

Trump approves DC emergency declaration ahead of Biden inauguration
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/533746-trump-makes-emergency-declaration-ahead-of-biden-inauguration
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 12, 2021, 02:22:53 AM
Trump approves DC emergency declaration ahead of Biden inauguration
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/533746-trump-makes-emergency-declaration-ahead-of-biden-inauguration

And yet he hasn't said anything on gab since Friday.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 12, 2021, 12:20:19 PM
And yet he hasn't said anything on gab since Friday.

He's too busy playing 4D chess.

Or crying into his beer.

Take your pick.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 12, 2021, 12:21:08 PM
He's too busy playing 4D chess.

Or crying into his beer.

Take your pick.


No! PELOSI IS KISSING AND TRUMP IS CONFERRING WITH HIS ELITE GENERALS?!!!

TRUST THE PLAN!
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on January 12, 2021, 12:45:34 PM
The Q folks are still trusting the plan.

Trump and Pompeo aren't acting like they are going anywhere.

The Democrats are acting pretty odd themselves, their hyperbole and stated plans are overtly totalitarian, normies aren't noticing. 

The social media/internet giants are so over the top you would think normies would notice that, where they do they agree with it!

The rinos are running to the left so hard they are tripping over each other.

Crazy times indeed.



Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on January 12, 2021, 03:08:57 PM
The Q folks are still trusting the plan.

Trump and Pompeo aren't acting like they are going anywhere.

The Democrats are acting pretty odd themselves, their hyperbole and stated plans are overtly totalitarian, normies aren't noticing

The social media/internet giants are so over the top you would think normies would notice that, where they do they agree with it!

The rinos are running to the left so hard they are tripping over each other.

Crazy times indeed.

I think more people are noticing than is apparent.  Hard to tell for certain.  What would you expect to see? 

Things are a bit weird.  The rhetoric from the leftist congressional leadership is even more extreme than it was given all the calls to remove President Trump from office prior to inauguration. 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Andiron on January 12, 2021, 05:38:18 PM
And yet he hasn't said anything on gab since Friday.

To be fair,  Gab is a hot mess lately.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 12, 2021, 08:47:20 PM
Sorry Nancy

Vice President Pence tells Speaker Nancy Pelosi he won’t invoke the 25th Amendment or play ‘political games’
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/01/12/vice-president-pence-tells-speaker-nancy-pelosi-he-wont-invoke-the-25th-amendment-or-play-political-games/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 12, 2021, 09:29:26 PM
Sorry Nancy

Vice President Pence tells Speaker Nancy Pelosi he won’t invoke the 25th Amendment or play ‘political games’
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/01/12/vice-president-pence-tells-speaker-nancy-pelosi-he-wont-invoke-the-25th-amendment-or-play-political-games/

Except he has already. (Played political games.)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 12, 2021, 10:25:07 PM
I guess his hypocrisy does have limits.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Blakenzy on January 12, 2021, 10:38:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8yyY2oFwVI&lc=Ugz54H7Rqb1VwGhDFB14AaABAg.9IR-S0e8DaB9IRNdKpfLhu

Is it normal for politicians to be concerned about retaining (or not retaining) control over the military?  =|
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 13, 2021, 12:07:33 AM
I guess his hypocrisy does have limits.

Is he their huckleberry?   :P
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 13, 2021, 09:33:52 AM
Is he their huckleberry?   :P

I see I'm not the only one who thought of that.

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 13, 2021, 09:48:05 AM
Good grief! He'll be gone in a week!
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: TechMan on January 13, 2021, 09:52:39 AM
Good grief! He'll be gone in a week!

They don't want him back in 2024.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: zxcvbob on January 13, 2021, 09:57:13 AM
They don't want him back in 2024.

He'd be almost 80 years old, is that a serious concern?  He looks good for his age now and he's still sharp (mostly) but really?  I don't see him running again even if he can.  I see him backing somebody like Sarah Palin (*not* Sarah Palin, I mean someone like her when she was still governor of Alaska and not on many ppl's radar)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 13, 2021, 09:57:28 AM
They don't want him back in 2024.

Expect the democratic rope trick to be preform soon to take care of that   [tinfoil]
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: fifth_column on January 13, 2021, 09:59:17 AM
They don't want him back in 2024.

Hence the heavy-handed attempts to make him a non-person.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 13, 2021, 10:07:26 AM
Quote
Hence the heavy-handed attempts to make him a non-person.

As well as the heavy handed rhetoric being used to demonize Trump's supporters, people that just voted for him and conservatives in general.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: cordex on January 13, 2021, 10:11:46 AM
He'd be almost 80 years old, is that a serious concern?  He looks good for his age now and he's still sharp (mostly) but really?  I don't see him running again even if he can. 
I guess it depends on what happens after he leaves office.  Four years is a long time, his companies are likely going to be the focus of concerted investigations and partisan boycotts.  I certainly doubt he is going to be the kind of guy to lay low like some past presidents.  

I could see him maintaining some of the political spotlight and could definitely see him running even if it is a bad idea. 

Then again, I thought it was a terrible idea for him to run initially, and a terrible idea for him to be elected, but ultimately I'm glad he did and was.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 13, 2021, 10:20:49 AM
As well as the heavy handed rhetoric being used to demonize Trump's supporters, people that just voted for him and conservatives in general.

The old guy I hunt with visited me yesterday. This is a Marine Vietnam combat vet, who since I met him has been ridiculously pro-Trump to the point of flying a Trump flag on his flagpole and supporting Trump in what even I thought was almost a radical way. Trump lost because of election fraud.

Yesterday he had a 180 degree opinion. He now hates Trump, says that all the protestors in DC (not just the violent rioters) committed treason and insurrection and should be in jail, and even though he knows I have some, EBRs should be banned immediately. The election was free and fair and Trump lost and how dare he and his supporters attack the United States?

I couldn't believe it. The only reason I can think of is that he only gets his news from the MSM, included the liberal local papers. He had no idea about what Facebook and Twitter did (in fact he doesn't really even know what they are). When I tried to explain that he was getting censored news, he just replied that I was full of bullshit and interwebz places aren't anything but a fad. He just believes that Trump actually tried to lead a violent revolution against the government and that he is now a criminal.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: cordex on January 13, 2021, 10:27:12 AM
He just believes that Trump actually tried to lead a violent revolution against the government and that he is now a criminal.
Trump said some dumb things.  No doubt about that, but we've had years of Trump saying dumb things.

How that leads to EBRs being banned I cannot fathom.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on January 13, 2021, 10:31:19 AM
I was informed by a "non political" friend of mine (active in shooting sports as well as hunting) that Biden isn't going to do anything against gun rights and that he hopes that Biden brings back the Clinton economy.

Bidens words and website haven't done anything to dissuade his opinion.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 13, 2021, 10:59:15 AM
Trump said some dumb things.  No doubt about that, but we've had years of Trump saying dumb things.

How that leads to EBRs being banned I cannot fathom.

I think it had to do with the FBI going apeshit about "armed protests at all state capitols."

There's going to be one in Boise and of course the Idaho Statesman (which he subscribes to) managed to make it sound like it will be an armed attack, versus the peaceful event it has been the last 1000 times they did it.

Honestly, if I only listened to CNN, NPR, etc., and only read local papers owned and managed by news corporations in Chicago and NYC, I might also think we have had something akin to Pearl Harbor (as some of them have reported).
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RocketMan on January 13, 2021, 11:01:30 AM
It was like Pearl Harbor, Ben.  Thousands of people across the country were scared for a little while.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 13, 2021, 11:32:20 AM
Quote
Thornton Melon: The football team at my high school, they were tough. After they sacked the quarterback, they went after his family.

Rep. Hakeem Jeffries claims ‘Donald Trump Jr. is now under criminal investigation’ in D.C.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/13/rep-hakeem-jeffries-claims-donald-trump-jr-is-now-under-criminal-investigation-in-d-c/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: TechMan on January 13, 2021, 12:51:46 PM
Watch the video...https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/13/watch-new-video-surfaces-from-inside-the-capitol-that-suggests-the-takeover-was-coordinated-and-planned/ (https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/01/13/watch-new-video-surfaces-from-inside-the-capitol-that-suggests-the-takeover-was-coordinated-and-planned/)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 13, 2021, 03:43:30 PM
He'd be almost 80 years old, is that a serious concern?  He looks good for his age now and he's still sharp (mostly) but really?  I don't see him running again even if he can.  I see him backing somebody like Sarah Palin (*not* Sarah Palin, I mean someone like her when she was still governor of Alaska and not on many ppl's radar)

My friends grandfather was still running marathons at 95.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: lee n. field on January 13, 2021, 03:45:06 PM
The Q folks are still trusting the plan.

Trump and Pompeo aren't acting like they are going anywhere.

The Democrats are acting pretty odd themselves, their hyperbole and stated plans are overtly totalitarian, normies aren't noticing.  

The social media/internet giants are so over the top you would think normies would notice that, where they do they agree with it!

Are "the normies" even aware of this?  I have no idea what they see, if they get their news from CNN.   (Alex Jones, CNN.  pick one.)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 13, 2021, 03:46:22 PM
Are the normies even aware of this?  I have no idea what they see, if they get their news from CNN.   (Alex Jones, CNN.  pick one.)

Right wing boomer idiots boycotted “mainstream media” and ran to dipshit groups on Facebook that spread w nonsense and are ran by LARPing idiots
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 13, 2021, 04:01:42 PM

Scary shades of the Reichstag fire
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 13, 2021, 04:08:31 PM
Scary shades of the Reichstag fire
This.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 13, 2021, 04:10:45 PM
(https://www.sott.net/image/s29/595585/full/Confederate_flag_Capitol.jpg)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: TechMan on January 14, 2021, 09:55:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f4JQ7-WWTw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f4JQ7-WWTw)  What is up with the initial video of the police line in the background and the police letting the rioters in.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: charby on January 14, 2021, 10:33:10 AM
What's up with all the capitol raiders looking like they just came from a "larping" event in the park?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 14, 2021, 11:23:39 AM
 :facepalm:

THERE it is! Andrew McCabe explains why Trump’s video calling for peace was actually a call for violence
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/14/there-it-is-andrew-mccabe-explains-why-trumps-video-calling-for-peace-was-actually-a-call-for-violence/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: zxcvbob on January 14, 2021, 11:30:51 AM
:facepalm:

THERE it is! Andrew McCabe explains why Trump’s video calling for peace was actually a call for violence
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/14/there-it-is-andrew-mccabe-explains-why-trumps-video-calling-for-peace-was-actually-a-call-for-violence/

I saw some comments on Disqus that the raid on the capitol started 20 minutes before Trump finished speaking, then it would take an hour to get from the Eclipse (what is that?) to the Capitol.  So the rioters could not have heard the speech that supposedly incited them to violence.  Let's see if I can find it again...

Quote from: William James
Christie is full of beans -- or what beans become after a few hours in the digestive system. One America News pointed out a glaring problem in the impeachment charges yesterday. How can someone be guilty of inciting a riot when the rioters have not heard heard his speech? The trouble began to erupt at the Capitol twenty minutes before Trump finished speaking, and nearly an hour before anyone at the Ellipse could have gotten to the Capitol. I have several eyewitness reports from friends or relatives at or near the Ellipse who reported that the noise of the flash bangs, which they feared might be gunshots, was audible as they were a block or two from the Capitol. That was a signal to them to steer clear, which they did. It is highly improbable that the group that blew up at the Capitol could have heard Trump's speech via cellphone, since streaming was just about impossible because of the traffic overload from all the users in the city. So the Democrats, in their vendetta and their hate-driven lust to destroy Trump, have impeached him for an alleged misdeed which is almost impossible to have done. Another of many good reasons why the Democrat logo is a  donkey, although the other word is more fitting.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/13/did-trump-commit-a-crime-by-exhorting-the-crowds-o/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: TechMan on January 14, 2021, 11:42:11 AM
I saw some comments on Disqus that the raid on the capitol started 20 minutes before Trump finished speaking, then it would take an hour to get from the Eclipse (what is that?) to the Capitol.  So the rioters could not have heard the speech that supposedly incited them to violence.  Let's see if I can find it again...

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/13/did-trump-commit-a-crime-by-exhorting-the-crowds-o/


https://goo.gl/maps/hkKwAXWgAbBTo6NT9 (https://goo.gl/maps/hkKwAXWgAbBTo6NT9)

And according to the Google Maps it would take 34 minutes to walk from The Ellipse to Capital Hill.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Jim147 on January 14, 2021, 11:50:32 AM
Yes it stared during his speech and the FBI and NYPD both warned them in advance but the capital police said no to extra security.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: zxcvbob on January 14, 2021, 11:52:47 AM

https://goo.gl/maps/hkKwAXWgAbBTo6NT9 (https://goo.gl/maps/hkKwAXWgAbBTo6NT9)

And according to the Google Maps it would take 34 minutes to walk from The Ellipse to Capital Hill.

It didn't look like an hour on the map.  But 34 minutes is still significant.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: makattak on January 14, 2021, 11:55:05 AM

https://goo.gl/maps/hkKwAXWgAbBTo6NT9 (https://goo.gl/maps/hkKwAXWgAbBTo6NT9)

And according to the Google Maps it would take 34 minutes to walk from The Ellipse to Capital Hill.

It also means that anyone who heard the speech was about an hour away when the "assault" on the capitol happened.

20+34 = 54 = about an hour.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 14, 2021, 11:58:12 AM
The Washington Times is considered a propaganda rag by the left, and the sheep that watch stuff like the View are easily convinced of the same. This will not get any traction in the MSM and Twitter et al will simply censor it.

In fact, to counteract their story, I suspect you'll soon be hearing about how the rioters staged operatives with secure comms at Trump's speech while the shock troops were already positioned at the Capitol. Trump will have said a super duper secret coded phrase embedded in his speech that was communicated to the KKK warriors at the Capitol who then executed the insurrection.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 14, 2021, 12:04:11 PM
Here you go. Even the "conservative mouthpiece" Fox News is reporting that there will be increased "domestic terrorism" in 2021, alluding it will pretty much be from "the militias".

https://www.foxnews.com/us/law-enforcement-bulletin-feds-violent-extremism-terror-threat

Biden/Harris will turn this up to 11, antifa will continue to burn down cities and at worst be charged with misdemeanors, and guys with 3% T-shirts will be arrested by anti-terrorism task forces and charged with felonies for being out in public and inciting violence with their shirts.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: cordex on January 14, 2021, 12:36:39 PM
It didn't look like an hour on the map.  But 34 minutes is still significant.
Might take longer with the area so crowded too.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: HeroHog on January 14, 2021, 04:34:11 PM
I've lost my "Dog Whistle" decoder sheet, can someone shoot me a copy please?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Boomhauer on January 14, 2021, 04:56:45 PM
Here you go. Even the "conservative mouthpiece" Fox News is reporting that there will be increased "domestic terrorism" in 2021, alluding it will pretty much be from "the militias".

https://www.foxnews.com/us/law-enforcement-bulletin-feds-violent-extremism-terror-threat

Biden/Harris will turn this up to 11, antifa will continue to burn down cities and at worst be charged with misdemeanors, and guys with 3% T-shirts will be arrested by anti-terrorism task forces and charged with felonies for being out in public and inciting violence with their shirts.

I’m going to stop carrying a gun and start carrying zip ties since that constitutes being “armed”
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 14, 2021, 05:09:23 PM
I've lost my "Dog Whistle" decoder sheet, can someone shoot me a copy please?

Well, for one: Remember when we discussed how the traditional "OK" sign has now been linked to white supremacy? Well, poor Kyle Rittenhouse decided to let his supporters know that he was OK after his arraignment.

Oops.

https://www.newser.com/story/301299/prosecutors-link-rittenhouse-to-proud-boys-white-power.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_crime
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 14, 2021, 05:21:04 PM
Well, for one: Remember when we discussed how the traditional "OK" sign has now been linked to white supremacy? Well, poor Kyle Rittenhouse decided to let his supporters know that he was OK after his arraignment.

Oops.

https://www.newser.com/story/301299/prosecutors-link-rittenhouse-to-proud-boys-white-power.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_crime

Freedom-wise, there is zero wrong with what he did. But geez, I thought some top dog lawyers are defending him. Didn't they brief him on optics? He doesn't have to stay locked up at home, but he needs to be careful about where he goes and how that appears to his worst detractors (which include the MSM, who will happily set him up).
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 14, 2021, 06:19:53 PM
So there is now also a "sedition task force". Of course just for the "right wing", not antifa or anything.

Are they pretty much just ripping off President Clark's regime from Babylon 5 at this point? AOC wants a ministry of truth now as well.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/01/14/catherine-herridge-small-unit-tactics-witnessed-both-inside-and-outside-the-capitol-building/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Jim147 on January 14, 2021, 09:38:18 PM
And now they have arrested the antifa guy that claimed he was a reporter. If some reports are true he broke out the window the women got shot in. Hope they add murder if that is true.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 15, 2021, 09:35:20 AM
And now they have arrested the antifa guy that claimed he was a reporter. If some reports are true he broke out the window the women got shot in. Hope they add murder if that is true.

Has Kamala paid his bail yet?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: TechMan on January 15, 2021, 09:43:43 AM
Has Kamala paid his bail yet?

Don't worry she probably will, it will just be delayed because of things.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 15, 2021, 10:39:18 AM
Are they pretty much just ripping off President Clark's regime from Babylon 5 at this point?

Who gets to be the Nightwatch?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 15, 2021, 10:41:19 AM
Sigh

Rep. Ayanna Pressley says GOP members of Congress not wearing masks during Capitol siege engaged in ‘chemical warfare’
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/15/rep-ayanna-pressley-says-gop-members-of-congress-not-wearing-masks-during-capitol-siege-engaged-in-chemical-warfare/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Blakenzy on January 15, 2021, 11:14:21 AM
Sigh

Rep. Ayanna Pressley says GOP members of Congress not wearing masks during Capitol siege engaged in ‘chemical warfare’
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/15/rep-ayanna-pressley-says-gop-members-of-congress-not-wearing-masks-during-capitol-siege-engaged-in-chemical-warfare/

LOL

In the mean time they seem to have forgotten all about social distancing because it is convenient for them do do so suddenly. Any one see the piles of troops sleeping inside the Capitol building?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on January 15, 2021, 11:38:02 AM
BREAKING BOMBSHELL: CNN Was In On It! Reporter Disguised Herself As Trump Supporter And Plotted With BLM Member
https://trendingpolitics.com/breaking-bombshell-cnn-was-in-on-it-reporter-disguised-herself-as-trump-supporter-and-plotted-with-blm-member/
Not sure how much this has been vetted, but interesting. 

Quote
On Thursday night, damning new footage showed CNN’s Jade Sacker inside of the Capitol with John Sullivan, the BLM member who was charged by federal prosecutors for inciting chaos on January 6th.

Sacker co-conspired with the liberal activist in order to cause chaos and make Trump supporters look bad.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 15, 2021, 07:13:59 PM
BREAKING BOMBSHELL: CNN Was In On It! Reporter Disguised Herself As Trump Supporter And Plotted With BLM Member
https://trendingpolitics.com/breaking-bombshell-cnn-was-in-on-it-reporter-disguised-herself-as-trump-supporter-and-plotted-with-blm-member/
Not sure how much this has been vetted, but interesting. 


The progressive militant arm working directly with the progressive propaganda arm?  That's unpossible!
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: charby on January 15, 2021, 07:18:58 PM
BREAKING BOMBSHELL: CNN Was In On It! Reporter Disguised Herself As Trump Supporter And Plotted With BLM Member
https://trendingpolitics.com/breaking-bombshell-cnn-was-in-on-it-reporter-disguised-herself-as-trump-supporter-and-plotted-with-blm-member/
Not sure how much this has been vetted, but interesting. 


I want this to be true, I really do. I'm not getting my hopes up.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Jim147 on January 15, 2021, 07:25:27 PM
He recorded himself and put it online. But of course it keeps getting scrubbed. He has been charged with inciting a riot and she should be too. They got that lady killed.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 15, 2021, 07:30:21 PM
He recorded himself and put it online. But of course it keeps getting scrubbed. He has been charged with inciting a riot and she should be too. They got that lady killed.

In a just world Google would be hit with criminal destruction of evidence.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: cordex on January 15, 2021, 07:45:24 PM
He recorded himself and put it online. But of course it keeps getting scrubbed. He has been charged with inciting a riot and she should be too. They got that lady killed.
That lady had full responsibility for her actions.
As did the capitol police officer who shot her.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on January 15, 2021, 07:58:31 PM
He recorded himself and put it online. But of course it keeps getting scrubbed. He has been charged with inciting a riot and she should be too. They got that lady killed.

I must have missed the part where a few agitators out guns to the heads of these people and made them do it
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: lee n. field on January 15, 2021, 08:03:32 PM
Who gets to be the Nightwatch?


One thing I thought was interesting in the B5 story was the arc that we see of Nightwatch.  We start with the kindly old man from the Ministry of Peace, Then Jon Vickery playing Mr. Wells, the B5 station Nightwatch organizer & occasionally visiting manager.  A little more steel in him.  The bitch political officer, even more steel.  Then we see organized, uniformed NW, who finally get arrested and replaced by Narns as local security.  In the end (https://hill-kleerup.org/blog/2014/07/27/b5-rewatch-3x11-ceremonies-of-light-and-dark.html), after the break with Earth, what's left is a couple thugs and a crazy psycho below decks, plotting an assassination.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Jim147 on January 15, 2021, 09:03:33 PM
Don't put words in my mouth. I never said anything about the lady being shot not having respondsability. I said if the guy breaks out the window and tells her to jump in he is respondsible for her death as she is. Add in the CNN lady and it becomes a mess.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: grampster on January 15, 2021, 10:22:19 PM
He recorded himself and put it online. But of course it keeps getting scrubbed. He has been charged with inciting a riot and she should be too. They got that lady killed.

Noting would surprise me anymore.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Boomhauer on January 15, 2021, 10:28:38 PM
The officer or agent who shot the woman should be doxxed, his family endlessly harrassed, endure a show trial put on by a vengeful prosecutor, and life completely ruined.



Oh wait, the woman he shot wasn’t a lifelong criminal piece of *expletive deleted*it trying to assault him or fight with a weapon? Scratch those plans.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Andiron on January 15, 2021, 10:31:46 PM
The officer or agent who shot the woman should be doxxed, his family endlessly harrassed, endure a show trial put on by a vengeful prosecutor, and life completely ruined.



Oh wait, the woman he shot wasn’t a lifelong criminal piece of *expletive deleted*it trying to assault him or fight with a weapon? Scratch those plans.

No balls,  you didn't mention the only point that matters ( to the left)

She was white, and therefore irrelevant.

Black lives matter!!!!
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Blakenzy on January 16, 2021, 03:20:22 PM
Yeah. But that's "good" racism.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 16, 2021, 03:29:37 PM
12ft wall going up at the capital. Remember folks, walls don't work. https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/01/16/walls-dont-work-update-8-foot-non-scalable-fence-around-u-s-capitol-replaced-by-12-footer/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 16, 2021, 04:03:12 PM
Here's your stupid for the day

Quote
Vox
@voxdotcom
White women have always been part of white supremacy in America.

If we ignore the role of women in enabling the US Capitol riots, argues @annanorthtweets, we can’t understand white supremacy in the US — let alone dismantle it.


Vox says we have to look at the role of white women in supporting white supremacy and ‘enabling’ the Capitol riots
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/01/16/vox-says-we-have-to-look-at-the-role-of-white-women-in-supporting-white-supremacy-and-enabling-the-capitol-riots/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Blakenzy on January 16, 2021, 08:22:42 PM
What's the official troop count number in DC up to now?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fly320s on January 16, 2021, 08:25:23 PM
What's the official troop count number in DC up to now?

25,000 last I heard. 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 16, 2021, 08:29:32 PM
More US troops in DC than Afghanistan.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: just Warren on January 16, 2021, 08:31:24 PM
More US troops in DC than Afghanistan.

To be fair, the Taliban isn't as a big of a threat to America as is Biden.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MillCreek on January 16, 2021, 09:07:48 PM
My wife and I were discussing this, watching the NG troops on the network news: are they being issued ammo, or are the M4s just for show?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Cliffh on January 16, 2021, 09:16:25 PM
Just the sight of a firearm will make a lefty piss his/her pants.....  add in a little transference....

Why would they need ammo? 

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Boomhauer on January 16, 2021, 09:56:28 PM
I’m strongly guessing the latter.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: TommyGunn on January 16, 2021, 11:18:06 PM
To be fair, the Taliban isn't as a big of a threat to America as is Biden.

I wish I could laugh at that.  It was witty.  But I just can't.      :'(
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: HankB on January 16, 2021, 11:39:56 PM
My wife and I were discussing this, watching the NG troops on the network news: are they being issued ammo, or are the M4s just for show?
If I was being called up, I'd make darned sure to bring some of my own ammo.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: cordex on January 17, 2021, 12:50:13 AM
Just the sight of a firearm will make a lefty piss his/her pants.....  add in a little transference....

Why would they need ammo? 
They aren’t there to stop the lefties.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 17, 2021, 08:39:55 AM
They aren’t there to stop the lefties.

Also not necessarily to stop the righties. This is a staggering number of troops. They could have done adequate security with a tenth this number. This is a statement.

I recall that all of the left that are applauding the optics of this were screaming about ~100 feds sent to Portland to stop actual violence in progress.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RocketMan on January 17, 2021, 08:51:17 AM
Also not necessarily to stop the righties. This is a staggering number of troops. They could have done adequate security with a tenth this number. This is a statement.

I recall that all of the left that are applauding the optics of this were screaming about ~100 feds sent to Portland to stop actual violence in progress.

Quoted for truth.  The feds are telling the proles they had better stay in line.  There is a world of hurt awaiting those that don't.  And not just in DC, and not just for the virtual inauguration.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: cordex on January 17, 2021, 09:35:51 AM
Also not necessarily to stop the righties. This is a staggering number of troops. They could have done adequate security with a tenth this number. This is a statement.

I recall that all of the left that are applauding the optics of this were screaming about ~100 feds sent to Portland to stop actual violence in progress.
Maybe not to stop the righties, but the statement was made only in direct response to the first riot on the right in recent memory. Seems like a pointed statement.

I had a very anti-Trump client comparing the Feds going to Portland with Kent State. I wonder what he thinks about this.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Blakenzy on January 17, 2021, 09:39:39 AM
Probably among the largest troop deployments in the last decade? Well it makes it very clear who Washington is at War with currently. Let that sink in.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 17, 2021, 09:54:30 AM
Maybe not to stop the righties, but the statement was made only in direct response to the first riot on the right in recent memory.

I agree with this, and it's what I didn't make clear in my post.

If this were the Trump inauguration, we'd be hearing about despots, police states, and totalitarianism.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 17, 2021, 10:07:43 AM
Quote
Beeler was subsequently transported to USCP Headquarters and charged with Carrying a Pistol without a License; Possession of Unregistered Firearm, and Possession of Unregistered Ammunition.

"Unregistered ammunition".

https://www.theepochtimes.com/virginia-man-arrested-at-dc-checkpoint-with-unregistered-firearm-says-it-was-honest-mistake_3659637.html
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Lennyjoe on January 17, 2021, 10:25:03 AM
If I was being called up, I'd make darned sure to bring some of my own ammo.

And you’d probably be in deep kimchi....for violating orders
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 17, 2021, 11:32:42 AM
Dems & the MSM 2016-17: Questioning election results is patriotic and must be encouraged to help protect our democracy
Dems & the MSM 2020-21: Questioning election results is sedition which must be prosecuted to help protect our democracy
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Boomhauer on January 17, 2021, 04:21:50 PM
I’ve heard a Twitter rumor, accompanied by a photo of a NG member with no mag in his rifle with the caption of “Biden’s transition team ordered mags and ammo to be confiscated because fears one of the NG soldiers will assassinate him”. More likely they never issued ammo or mags in the first place. Or if they do have ammo probably ordered not to lock and load to prevent Snuffy ND or AD.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Jim147 on January 17, 2021, 04:47:00 PM
I've seen the empty mag wells in all the pictures but speaking with a friend of mine this afternoon, with over twenty years in the guard after acctive service, said they had about 500 rounds for each one of them.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: dogmush on January 17, 2021, 04:54:28 PM
That's kinda SOP.  Even if you have loaded mags you aren't going to go amber (mags inserted)  or red (round chambered) unless there is some kind of activity that makes you think you'll be using the weapon.  And yes, that's to prevent clearing ND's.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 17, 2021, 05:44:16 PM
Another "unregistered ammunition" arrest:

Quote
D.C. police on Sunday arrested 22-year-old Guy Berry of Gordonsville, Va. for allegedly carrying a pistol without a license, possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding device, and unregistered ammunition, Fox News has learned.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: French G. on January 18, 2021, 01:01:13 AM
Now they are "vetting" the NG troops in DC for the election. So, be cardboard cutouts, but no ammo for you. More and more I am adding the tinfoil that Biden's great service to the democratic party is to die in a loud and glorious manner on inauguration day. Then we have a free hand to round up all those radicals. [tinfoil]
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 18, 2021, 08:37:35 AM
Now they are "vetting" the NG troops in DC for the election. So, be cardboard cutouts, but no ammo for you. More and more I am adding the tinfoil that Biden's great service to the democratic party is to die in a loud and glorious manner on inauguration day. Then we have a free hand to round up all those radicals. [tinfoil]


I was just coming here to post that. On the bright side, maybe it's a message to the TDS people that the military might not just robotically follow unconstitutional orders (e.g., gun confiscation).
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 18, 2021, 09:09:42 AM
The FBI claims that the woman who stole a laptop from Pelosi's office planned to sell it to Russian intelligence. This seem rather far-fetched to me. Why would one of these ultra conservative " 'Merica!" rioters sell information on the US to Russia?

I wonder if the same people in the FBI who spearheaded "Russia, Russia, Russia!" against Trump are in charge of this investigation?

https://www.theepochtimes.com/fbi-probing-allegation-that-woman-stole-laptop-from-pelosis-office-to-sell-it-to-russia_3660762.html
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Blakenzy on January 18, 2021, 09:15:08 AM
All options are on the table. For some reason things are being pushed VERY fast regarding implementation of globalist totalitarian policies. The masks are already off, I would definitely count on "an event" that would justify taking off the gloves before the frogs start jumping out of the pot. Biden is just another old white patriarch, and Kamala is the unimpeachable authoritarian high SJW scoring stooge.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 18, 2021, 09:22:23 AM
The FBI claims that the woman who stole a laptop from Pelosi's office planned to sell it to Russian intelligence. This seem rather far-fetched to me. Why would one of these ultra conservative " 'Merica!" rioters sell information on the US to Russia?

I wonder if the same people in the FBI who spearheaded "Russia, Russia, Russia!" against Trump are in charge of this investigation?

https://www.theepochtimes.com/fbi-probing-allegation-that-woman-stole-laptop-from-pelosis-office-to-sell-it-to-russia_3660762.html

The Chinese were charging too much for the info off the laptop so the Russians had to try and get it by other means
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 18, 2021, 12:09:11 PM
75% of National Guard are compromised Trump voters!!!

Unity!

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/01/18/dem-rep-steve-cohen-suggests-that-at-least-75-of-national-guard-might-be-compromised-because-they-voted-for-donald-trump-video/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 18, 2021, 12:19:43 PM
Once again, I am forced to ask myself "If the left wanted to incite a violent response from the right what would they do differently?"
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: bedlamite on January 18, 2021, 12:20:34 PM
https://www.thebeltwayreport.com/2021/01/antifa-punk-confesses-capitol-riot-staged-posed-as-maga-instigated-riot-at-capitol-broke-window-at-us-capitol-building-during-riots/?utm_source=BS-Mailer-BW&utm_medium=email&utm_content=subscriber_id:23091054&utm_campaign=1/15am%20Biden%20Small%20Business
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 18, 2021, 12:26:09 PM
Once again, I am forced to ask myself "If the left wanted to incite a violent response from the right what would they do differently?"

Well, how about this?

Banning gun safe ads? And how does doing any of this affect tomorrow? Are they thinking people are somehow going to do same day shipping of armor or a holster so they are ready to take over the country tomorrow?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/facebook-bans-weapon-accessories-protective-gear-ads-in-us_n_60037217c5b697df1a0624f8
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 18, 2021, 05:37:00 PM
75% of National Guard are compromised Trump voters!!!

Unity!

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/01/18/dem-rep-steve-cohen-suggests-that-at-least-75-of-national-guard-might-be-compromised-because-they-voted-for-donald-trump-video/

Anyone who voted for Trump is considered an enemy of the state

BTW: How the heck does he know how they voted?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: zxcvbob on January 18, 2021, 07:00:27 PM
Anyone who voted for Trump is considered an enemy of the state

BTW: How the heck does he know how they voted?

I was wondering that too.  I think if the FBI or someone in command asked a guardsman who he/she voted for, the proper response is something like "Respectfully, go *expletive deleted*ck yourself"  (go *expletive deleted*ck yourself sir if it's someone in command.)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 18, 2021, 08:17:12 PM
Well, how about this?

Banning gun safe ads? And how does doing any of this affect tomorrow? Are they thinking people are somehow going to do same day shipping of armor or a holster so they are ready to take over the country tomorrow?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/facebook-bans-weapon-accessories-protective-gear-ads-in-us_n_60037217c5b697df1a0624f8

Someone could drop a safe on Biden. Didn't you see Roger Rabbit?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Blakenzy on January 18, 2021, 08:18:57 PM

BTW: How the heck does he know how they voted?

Probably using Facebook data and algorithms.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 18, 2021, 09:55:44 PM
Did someone ask if this can get any dumber?
Enter Hillary

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Hillary Clinton will never be president, but she does have her own podcast, so that’s something, and she even managed to wrangle on Speaker Nancy Pelosi as a special guest. Proving that she’ll never let up on the Russian collusion theme, Clinton called for an investigative body to finally determine President Trump’s ties to Vladimir Putin (maybe she could get Robert Mueller to head it).

She also said she’d like to see Trump’s phone records from Jan. 6, the day the Capitol was stormed, to see if Trump called Putin … for instructions or moral support or something.

We apologize that this tweet includes the sound of Clinton’s voice:

Hillary Clinton wants to see President Trump’s phone records to see if he called Putin on the day of the Capitol attack
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/01/18/hillary-clinton-wants-to-see-president-trumps-phone-records-to-see-if-he-called-putin-on-the-day-of-the-capitol-attack/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Cliffh on January 18, 2021, 10:30:44 PM
During the local news they played a clip of an someone standing in front of an FBI background who, while talking about Jan 6, said

"Tipsters have turned in family, friends & neighbors who've become increasingly radicalized by inflammatory rhetoric "



Even a short, intense media campaign like this has been would have the same people reporting on firearm owners.  Wouldn't take much, wouldn't take long.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: TommyGunn on January 18, 2021, 10:31:59 PM
Is it possible that people in this country might become so stupid that the country becomes unsustainable? ? ? ?


 [popcorn]
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Cliffh on January 18, 2021, 10:33:29 PM
Not all people, but enough - Yes.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: TommyGunn on January 18, 2021, 10:35:16 PM
Is it possible that people in this country might become so stupid evil & corrupt that the country becomes unsustainable? ? ? ?


[popcorn]

Fixed it by myself ...... :'(
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 18, 2021, 10:39:20 PM
Is it possible that people in this country might become so stupid that the country becomes unsustainable? ? ? ?


 [popcorn]

I think we reached that point a while back. It just takes time for all of the "bags of wet cement" to hit the ground
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 18, 2021, 10:42:02 PM
During the local news they played a clip of an someone standing in front of an FBI background who, while talking about Jan 6, said

"Tipsters have turned in family, friends & neighbors who've become increasingly radicalized by inflammatory rhetoric "



Even a short, intense media campaign like this has been would have the same people reporting on firearm owners.  Wouldn't take much, wouldn't take long.


Oh My Mao! He voted for Trump! Hello FBI Cheka......
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: dogmush on January 19, 2021, 08:08:10 AM
During the local news they played a clip of an someone standing in front of an FBI background who, while talking about Jan 6, said

"Tipsters have turned in family, friends & neighbors who've become increasingly radicalized by inflammatory rhetoric "



Even a short, intense media campaign like this has been would have the same people reporting on firearm owners.  Wouldn't take much, wouldn't take long.


Can we FOIA that list of tipsters so we can properly......thank them for their civic responsibility?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: griz on January 19, 2021, 12:15:19 PM
Re: "Vetting" the National Guard, I think this quest for loyalty to the party is close to violating the Civil Service Reform Act of 1978.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Brad Johnson on January 19, 2021, 12:37:37 PM
Re: "Vetting" the National Guard, I think this quest for loyalty to the party is close to violating the Civil Service Reform Act of 1978.

Plus just generally pissing off the military by directly implying that their vetting, training, and internal oversight are insufficient or that those in charge of it are incompetent.

Brad
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 19, 2021, 01:55:30 PM
Plus just generally pissing off the military by directly implying that their vetting, training, and internal oversight are insufficient or that those in charge of it are incompetent.

Brad


Totally unrelated fun fact:  the US military experiences only one quarter the per capita rate of criminality compared to the general population of the United States.  As far as I'm aware this is the lowest for any discernable demographic. 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on January 19, 2021, 02:23:52 PM

Totally unrelated fun fact:  the US military experiences only one quarter the per capita rate of criminality compared to the general population of the United States.  As far as I'm aware this is the lowest for any discernable demographic. 
Concealed carry holders are pretty low.  Probably don't have national data on that I guess.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: cordex on January 19, 2021, 02:25:39 PM

Totally unrelated fun fact:  the US military experiences only one quarter the per capita rate of criminality compared to the general population of the United States.  As far as I'm aware this is the lowest for any discernable demographic. 
Infants.  Checkmate.   =D

(To be fair, much of what infants do should be considered criminal ...)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on January 19, 2021, 02:35:24 PM
Infants.  Checkmate.   =D

(To be fair, much of what infants do should be considered criminal ...)
Are you sure you are not talking about Politicians? 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: HankB on January 19, 2021, 03:18:13 PM
Anyone else think it's both ominous and suggestive that the incoming administration thinks it needs to surround itself with a LOT of military force to protect itself from the general population?

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 19, 2021, 03:22:13 PM
Anyone else think it's both ominous and suggestive that the incoming administration thinks it needs to surround itself with a LOT of military force to protect itself from the general population?



And is purging infidels from said military.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: dogmush on January 19, 2021, 03:56:38 PM
Anyone else think it's both ominous and suggestive that the incoming administration thinks it needs to surround itself with a LOT of military force to protect itself from the general population?



It would be laughably idiotic if it weren't so serious.

They had a riot with *maybe* 7 or 8 hundred people acting out, and they have convinced themselves that there are 74 million folks ready to kill them.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 19, 2021, 04:09:49 PM
It would be laughably idiotic if it weren't so serious.

They had a riot with *maybe* 7 or 8 hundred people acting out, and they have convinced themselves that there are 74 million folks ready to kill them.

I have no way of getting accurate numbers, and likely no one does thanks to the MSM, but I'll hazard to guess it was considerably lower than that - maybe half that "acting out". It seems a lot of people that made it into the capitol did nothing but walk around. I might argue that many of those folks even thought it was okay to be there. Caveat of "ignorance of the law" of course, but that segment of the "rioters" have no business being convicted of sedition and other serious felonies.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RocketMan on January 19, 2021, 04:16:33 PM
I have no way of getting accurate numbers, and likely no one does thanks to the MSM, but I'll hazard to guess it was considerably lower than that - maybe half that "acting out". It seems a lot of people that made it into the capitol did nothing but walk around. I might argue that many of those folks even thought it was okay to be there. Caveat of "ignorance of the law" of course, but that segment of the "rioters" have no business being convicted of sedition and other serious felonies.

They will be convicted solely because they are conservatives, Trump supporters, and possibly Republicans.  Membership in any of those categories is now a crime itself according to the Left.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 19, 2021, 05:07:15 PM
A dozen NG have been pulled from DC (so far) and are heading for the reeducation camps. Claims are "inappropriate comments". Some were snitched on via some kind of tip line.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/12-national-guard-troops-pulled-from-duty-in-washington-ahead-of-inauguration_3663114.html

I'm betting innocuous comments, it was all the jackboots could find, and they had to pinch somebody for something to make the new regime happy. Likely these will be innocent guardsmen whose careers are now ruined.

Resist 46.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Brad Johnson on January 19, 2021, 05:39:54 PM
I hope they keep it up. Every NG they pull is another Sargeant, Colonel, General, State Governor, or military-friendly political figure with that much more animosity for the current administration's bullshittery. If they do try to pull something as abysmally stupid as calling up the NG against general citizenry for some utopically-twisted leftist propagandic misanthropy, I want all the pissed off Guardsmen (Guardpersons?) and politicritters I can find on my side.

Brad
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fly320s on January 19, 2021, 05:41:37 PM
Those NG members that don't want to be there have an easy out.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Boomhauer on January 19, 2021, 05:54:49 PM
FBI raided a house about 30 minutes from me. The local news *expletive deleted*ck standing in front of the camera made sure to point out “they have a Trump flag!” (Like 75% of the houses in this state).
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Cliffh on January 19, 2021, 06:04:09 PM
Anyone else think it's both ominous and suggestive that the incoming administration thinks it needs to surround itself with a LOT of military force to protect itself from the general population?



Yes.

One of the local radio personalities is calling this "political theater" - I agree that it is.  I am afraid of what the 3rd act is going to entail.  They're building up to one hell of a conclusion.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: French G. on January 19, 2021, 06:25:35 PM
Job #1 wanted a delivery driver tonight to run something up to the federal district. That’s a hard no from me.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fly320s on January 19, 2021, 07:31:00 PM
Job #1 wanted a delivery driver tonight to run something up to the federal district. That’s a hard no from me.

Think of the overtime!
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 19, 2021, 07:47:17 PM
Those NG members that don't want to be there have an easy out.

... and it will only cost them their careers.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 19, 2021, 07:49:35 PM
A dozen NG have been pulled from DC (so far) and are heading for the reeducation camps. Claims are "inappropriate comments". Some were snitched on via some kind of tip line.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/12-national-guard-troops-pulled-from-duty-in-washington-ahead-of-inauguration_3663114.html

I'm betting innocuous comments, it was all the jackboots could find, and they had to pinch somebody for something to make the new regime happy. Likely these will be innocent guardsmen whose careers are now ruined.

It got me thinking about having political officers embedded in each military unit.    [tinfoil]

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: griz on January 19, 2021, 07:56:42 PM
Infants.  Checkmate.   =D

(To be fair, much of what infants do should be considered criminal ...)

they are a politically protected group and always get a pass on disturbing the peace. ;)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 19, 2021, 08:08:33 PM
It got me thinking about having political officers embedded in each military unit.    [tinfoil]



Well they did say this (quoted in the article):

Quote
“We’re not taking any chances. Anything flags, there’s any reason that somebody’s name is brought to the attention of the command? They’re being removed from the line. We’ll ask questions later,” Pentagon press secretary Jonathan Hoffman said.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Cliffh on January 19, 2021, 08:16:21 PM
Yeah, we'll *expletive deleted*ck up somebody's career 'cause an ahole decided to get revenge.

Same ol', same ol'.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 19, 2021, 08:23:20 PM
It's all gonna be okay. Unbiased CNN says so.

Quote
CNN's David Chalian says that the side lights on the National Mall's reflecting pool are like "extensions of Joe Biden's arms embracing America."
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 19, 2021, 08:49:26 PM
It got me thinking about having political officers embedded in each military unit.    [tinfoil]



A redundant term; the officers are already politicized.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 27, 2021, 07:36:26 PM
 :facepalm:

Quote
In case you missed it, a bunch of people on internet message board Reddit artificially blew up the stock price of GameStop, the brick-and-mortar store that sells and trades physical copies of videogames in an age where digital downloads are the new normal. You don’t have to know the details of the story to appreciate CNN’s Chris Cillizza’s hot take, which was that “Trumpism” was the explanation for the GameStop surge.

Here’s an even hotter take, though, from Mother Jones’ Ali Breland, who’s been scanning the messaging app Telegram and finding that “the Nazis appear to be trading GameStop and AMC as well.”

Hot take: What’s the overlap between the Nazis trading GameStop stocks and the ones who stormed the Capitol?
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/01/27/hot-take-whats-the-overlap-between-the-nazis-trading-gamestop-stocks-and-the-ones-who-stormed-the-capitol/

 Space Age ---> Infomation Age ----> Stupid Age
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: griz on January 27, 2021, 07:58:42 PM
^^^  I'm sure our robot overlords are rolling their eyes at the shenanigans of the biological life forms.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on January 27, 2021, 08:02:49 PM
^^^  I'm sure our robot overlords are rolling their eyes at the shenanigans of the biological life forms.

I wish I had a robot overlord.  Probably be far more rational than my sociopath governor.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on January 28, 2021, 06:08:09 PM
A Second Police Officer Who Responded to Capitol Riots Has Died by Suicide
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/cm/second-police-officer-responded-capitol-162405666.html

This headline caught my eye.  Not sure what is normal for Capitol Police.  The below article was linked.


https://people.com/politics/off-duty-capitol-officer-responded-riot-dies/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Cliffh on January 28, 2021, 06:34:22 PM
Two cops suicide after a riot that wasn't really much of a riot.  Something about this makes me suspicious.  Along the lines of someone associated with the Clintons who committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head.

It just doesn't smell right.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Jim147 on January 28, 2021, 08:19:15 PM
Cop suicide rates are high. Not sure it had anything to do with the mostly peaceful protest.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 28, 2021, 10:07:18 PM
Cop suicide rates are high. Not sure it had anything to do with the mostly peaceful protest violent, white supremist insurrection.

Gott keep on narrative....
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Andiron on January 28, 2021, 10:18:56 PM
Two cops suicide after a riot that wasn't really much of a riot.  Something about this makes me suspicious.  Along the lines of someone associated with the Clintons who committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head.

It just doesn't smell right.

Naw,  they do that ALL the time.. :tinfoil:

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 28, 2021, 11:11:44 PM
Public Service Announcement: Don’t Be the ‘Zip Tie Guy’
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/public-service-announcement-dont-be-the-zip-tie-guy/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on January 29, 2021, 01:12:21 PM
Come on baby lets do the twist

Quote
On Jan. 6, that same threat descended on the Capitol. Domestic terrorists attacked the seat of American democracy, intending to violently subvert the will of the people.

These insurrectionists came armed with zip ties, pepper spray, pipe bombs, smoke devices and other weapons. They wanted not only to disrupt the proceedings that ratified Joe Biden as the next president of the United States but also to inflict harm on our legislators and on Vice President Mike Pence.

We may have D.C.’s gun laws to thank for averting such disaster.
WaPo Op-Ed: Washington D.C.’s Strict Gun Control Laws Saved Democracy!
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wapo-op-ed-washington-d-c-s-gun-control-laws-saved-democracy/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: TommyGunn on January 29, 2021, 08:01:56 PM
Come on baby lets do the twist
WaPo Op-Ed: Washington D.C.’s Strict Gun Control Laws Saved Democracy!
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wapo-op-ed-washington-d-c-s-gun-control-laws-saved-democracy/
:facepalm:
Really? ? ?   The STOOOOPIDZ  is monumental.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on January 30, 2021, 02:56:26 PM
Has anyone seen any recent stories regarding the cop who shot the girl, and any investigations? I haven't seen anything since the first week of JAN, when they reported him on administrative leave.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Boomhauer on January 30, 2021, 04:49:16 PM
The ACAB crowd is celebrating him as a Hero of the Soviet Union

But you know, a cop shots a felon with a mile long rap sheet with a gun in his hand and the world ends
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on February 06, 2021, 09:17:51 AM
Regarding one of the Capitol Police officers that died:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/02/05/vexed-cnn-reports-investigators-are-having-trouble-building-a-federal-murder-case-regarding-the-death-of-uscp-officer-brian-sicknick/

Quote
“Medical examiners did not find signs that the officer sustained any blunt force trauma, so investigators believe that early reports that he was fatally struck by a fire extinguisher are not true.”

Again, he never should have had to die, but it sure seems like there's more and more evidence (often ignored/deflected by the MSM) that things are turning out not as initially reported about the whole day. All the reports I read said he was absolutely struck by a fire extinguisher. I read it enough times from a variety of sources to believe it. Now the medical examiners are saying "no blunt force trauma."
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on February 06, 2021, 09:21:00 AM
You mean it was fake news?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Blakenzy on February 06, 2021, 10:33:38 AM
News has gone rabid. It isn't news anymore and needs to be put down. Hell let's just call it what it is, propaganda. It's a narrative that drives a certain desired response. That's all.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MillCreek on February 06, 2021, 12:28:24 PM
Regarding one of the Capitol Police officers that died:

I have not followed this in detail, but surely an autopsy was done.  Have the results been released, or even with an autopsy they cannot determine a cause of death?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on February 06, 2021, 02:27:20 PM
I have not followed this in detail, but surely an autopsy was done.  Have the results been released, or even with an autopsy they cannot determine a cause of death?

The results are scheduled to be released on a Friday, probably when a big world or national story is breaking. It will not be reported he was the officer allegedly who died from the fire extinguisher.

The cop who got hit in the head with a fire extinguisher during the insurrection then died will live on in the collective memory for decades.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/02/politics/brian-sicknick-charges/index.html
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on February 07, 2021, 04:31:04 PM
Now it's Antifa's turn:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/black-lives-matter-antifa-march-through-dc-chant-burn-it-down_3688149.html

I'm sure the .gov response will be very different.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Hawkmoon on February 07, 2021, 04:58:43 PM
Now it's Antifa's turn:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/black-lives-matter-antifa-march-through-dc-chant-burn-it-down_3688149.html

I'm sure the .gov response will be very different.

Is there a link to this story that doesn't require me to register with the suite before I'm allowed to read the content?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Jim147 on February 07, 2021, 06:18:13 PM
Is there a link to this story that doesn't require me to register with the suite before I'm allowed to read the content?

Look on the conservative sites I haven't seen this on MSM today.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on February 15, 2021, 04:04:15 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/new-york-times-retracts-sicknick-story

Looks like it is official, the New Yawk Times has quietly retracted their story LIES.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on February 15, 2021, 04:08:21 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/new-york-times-retracts-sicknick-story

Looks like it is official, the New Yawk Times has quietly retracted their story LIES.

Too late to make a difference of course. Just like on twitter when the fake story gets distributed 1,000,000,000 times but the retraction gets retweeted 147 times.

Also, this:

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UPDATE: New information has emerged regarding the death of the Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick that questions the initial cause of his death provided by officials close to the Capitol Police.

So the source was Pelosi, who was standing next to a capitol police officer?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on February 16, 2021, 05:00:38 PM
Apparently the flex cuff (AKA zip tie) narrative has changed as well. It appears that while at least one person was photographed walking around with some, they didn't bring them along in some pre-planned plot to take politicians hostage. They were laying on a table in the building and one or more people grabbed them.

That was a dumb thing to do, but it was more like, "Hey look! Free stuff!" versus a long planned plot, which was part of the prosecution's argument in impeachment #2. One might ask what they were doing laying on a table out in the open in the Capitol building.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/02/16/the-narrative-that-rioters-brought-flex-cuffs-to-the-capitol-has-been-debunked-but-lives-on/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on February 16, 2021, 05:04:35 PM
Apparently the flex cuff (AKA zip tie) narrative has changed as well. It appears that while at least one person was photographed walking around with some, they didn't bring them along in some pre-planned plot to take politicians hostage. They were laying on a table in the building and one or more people grabbed them.

That was a dumb thing to do, but it was more like, "Hey look! Free stuff!" versus a long planned plot, which was part of the prosecution's argument in impeachment #2. One might ask what they were doing laying on a table out in the open in the Capitol building.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/02/16/the-narrative-that-rioters-brought-flex-cuffs-to-the-capitol-has-been-debunked-but-lives-on/

The narrative is settled
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on February 21, 2021, 11:03:23 AM
Merrick Garland's statement:

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"If confirmed, I will supervise the prosecution of white supremacists and others who stormed the Capitol on January 6 -- a heinous attack that sought to disrupt a cornerstone of our democracy: the peaceful transfer of power to a newly elected government," Garland's opening statement reads. "That critical work is but a part of the broad scope of the Department's responsibilities."

Biden introduced Garland as his nominee for the role of attorney general on Jan. 7, one day after pro-Trump rioters stormed the Capitol as lawmakers met to confirm the president’s election victory. In a press conference at the time, Biden presented Garland’s nomination as an essential step to restore the rule of law.

Garland will also discuss his "urgent" mission to uphold all Americans' civil rights after a summer of racial justice protests in the wake of the death of George Floyd.

"That mission remains urgent because we do not yet have equal justice," Garland's opening statement reads. 'Communities of color and other minorities still face discrimination in housing, education, employment, and the criminal justice system; and bear the brunt of the harm caused by pandemic, pollution, and climate change."

Doesn't seem like an unbiased, fair AG to me.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/garland-attorney-general-capitol-civil-rights
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on February 21, 2021, 11:10:44 AM
Doesn't sound that much different than Republicans in power  :laugh:

It's just a matter of how fast you want the handbasket to reach the agreed upon destination. 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fitz on February 23, 2021, 12:09:11 PM
Doesn't sound that much different than Republicans in power  :laugh:

It's just a matter of how fast you want the handbasket to reach the agreed upon destination.

this
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on March 03, 2021, 12:34:28 PM
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Capitol Police say they have intelligence showing a “possible plot” by a militia group to breach the U.S. Capitol on Thursday, nearly two months after a mob of supporters of then-President Donald Trump stormed the iconic building to try to stop Congress from certifying now-President Joe Biden's victory.

The threat appears to be connected to a far-right conspiracy theory, mainly promoted by supporters of QAnon, that Trump will rise again to power on March 4. That was the original presidential inauguration day until 1933, when it was moved to Jan. 20.

The revelation was detailed in a statement from the Capitol Police. It comes at the same time the acting police chief is testifying before a House subcommittee.

Police uncover ‘possible plot’ by militia to breach Capitol
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/police-uncover-possible-plot-by-militia-to-breach-capitol/article_e55d7f5d-658d-5ad0-8c89-843cb58a2f03.html
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: sumpnz on March 03, 2021, 01:07:02 PM
Uh-huh.  Sure.  Totally believable.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on March 03, 2021, 01:11:55 PM
Just in time to help the push for some gun control bills
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on March 03, 2021, 01:26:23 PM
Police uncover ‘possible plot’ by militia to breach Capitol
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/police-uncover-possible-plot-by-militia-to-breach-capitol/article_e55d7f5d-658d-5ad0-8c89-843cb58a2f03.html


Oh, I see President Clark  has put his people in ISN.

https://youtu.be/mAi_fQgD7-M
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on March 03, 2021, 06:13:16 PM
They are still calling it an "armed insurrection".

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/03/03/to-my-knowledge-none-sen-ron-johnson-asks-fbi-official-how-many-firearms-were-confiscated-at-capitol-on-january-6/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: sumpnz on March 03, 2021, 06:19:21 PM
Kind off hard to hold an armed insurrection without, ummm, arms.

My PD support group is mostly liberals.  Including a reporter from DC.  Unsurprisingly the topic has come up in our weekly zoom meetings.  They were talking about how they weren’t very good insurrectionists because as they “stormed” the capitol they were staying between the rope stanchions and were mostly pretty orderly.  Ummm, guys, do you think maybe that means they weren’t “insurrectionists” in the first place?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MillCreek on March 03, 2021, 09:04:01 PM
I see that the lead story on the NBC evening news tonight is the Capitol is preparing for something to happen tomorrow, since this is apparently the Inauguration Day for Mr. Trump's return to power.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on March 03, 2021, 09:28:57 PM
I see that the lead story on the NBC evening news tonight is the Capitol is preparing for something to happen tomorrow, since this is apparently the Inauguration Day for Mr. Trump's return to power.

On the conspiracy theory side, I have read two:

1) Talk about "an attack" is a great way for the gov and media to continue to sow the seeds of "white supremacy", keep the concertina wire up at the capitol, and keep pushing the "domestic terrorist" (right wing only) response stuff. Even if the planned attack was two drunk armchair warriors on the Internet.

2) Those qanon guys got talk of this rolling to troll the people in charge and get them to overreact to fake news of a "militia attack".

I don't like either one, especially with the guy pelosi put in charge of the 06JAN (I refuse to call it an insurrection) investigation. He seems like somebody who would love a police state, as long as it leaned left.

Certainly conspiracy or non-conspiracy, I hope nothing happens. No good would come of it.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on March 03, 2021, 09:33:49 PM
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    House to wrap early, cancels Thursday session amid threat of violence at the Capitol by a militia grouphttps://t.co/EEqNqiwN1m

    — The Virginian-Pilot (@virginianpilot) March 4, 2021
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/03/03/house-wraps-up-early-cancels-thursdays-session-after-threat-of-violence-from-militia-group/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Jim147 on March 03, 2021, 09:54:11 PM
And when only antifa shows up they will call them white supremacists.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 03, 2021, 11:46:02 PM
Kind off hard to hold an armed insurrection without, ummm, arms.

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.6xNQBavXZ5cKrriyaNVwaQHaHa%26pid%3DApi&f=1)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on March 03, 2021, 11:51:48 PM
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/03/03/house-wraps-up-early-cancels-thursdays-session-after-threat-of-violence-from-militia-group/

So.......I am not advocating anything, but if someone were to make threats for the next year or two, could we get the House to cancel sessions for a while longer?  ...like a couple years?
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House wraps up early, cancels Thursday’s session after threat of violence from militia group
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on March 04, 2021, 08:01:58 AM
Well, now I'm leaning towards gaslighting and agenda pushing. I read this morning that they claim the "threat" came from the Three Percenters ("but we can't go into more detail because of security"), so fake news. That's not what the Three Percenters do.

If they wanted to make it sound more credible, they should have picked some wacko group, but I guess that thanks to the MSM, Three Percenters are more well known as a "militia".
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: French G. on March 04, 2021, 11:30:25 AM
3 percent types are no first use of force in their bylaws. Zero details, sources, or arrests. If they actually had something there would be a Roger Stone arrest and show trial.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on March 04, 2021, 12:15:04 PM
3 percent types are no first use of force in their bylaws. Zero details, sources, or arrests. If they actually had something there would be a Roger Stone arrest and show trial.

In the meantime:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/03/04/infuriating-reporter-finds-us-doj-has-dismissed-dozens-of-felony-and-misdemeanor-charges-from-last-years-portland-rioting/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on March 04, 2021, 06:01:01 PM
Anyway, the deadly rebellion was "a mirage".

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/03/04/wapo-reports-march-4-threat-from-militant-trump-supporters-at-us-capitol-turned-out-to-be-a-mirage/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 04, 2021, 06:06:10 PM
Anyway, the deadly rebellion was "a mirage".

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/03/04/wapo-reports-march-4-threat-from-militant-trump-supporters-at-us-capitol-turned-out-to-be-a-mirage/

Of course it was.  Everybody knew this ... except the MSM.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: makattak on March 04, 2021, 06:15:55 PM
Of course it was.  Everybody knew this ... except the MSM.

No, they knew it as well. They were lying, just as the rest of the Democrats were and are.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on March 04, 2021, 06:17:44 PM
Will have zero effect on the narrative that our brave troops prevented an attack by the enemy 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on March 04, 2021, 06:29:57 PM
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    …but there was talk of armed 'quick reaction force' waiting in Virginia to help Oath Keepers topple government if things got nasty. 2/5 https://t.co/P5dOrg3dX8

    — Byron York (@ByronYork) March 4, 2021

Wait for it

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    Now, attorneys for one Oath Keepers defendant say 'quick reaction force' was indeed one person — 'in his late 60s, obese, and has cardio-pulmonary issues, a bad back, a bum knee, and is in need of a hip replacement.' 4/5 pic.twitter.com/oxt0P6ElvA

    — Byron York (@ByronYork) March 4, 2021

 :rofl:

Attorneys for Oath Keepers defendant say group’s ‘Quick Reaction Force’ in Virginia was one obese man in his late 60s
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/03/04/attorneys-for-oath-keepers-defendant-say-groups-quick-reaction-force-in-virginia-was-one-obese-man-in-his-late-60s/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on March 04, 2021, 06:46:15 PM
Yet we all know this will still be used to push a continued militarized DC.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on March 05, 2021, 10:45:26 AM
Funny how this little dance works. The MSM finds a new date for a new insurrection, and the gov wants the National Guard presence extended. They of course don't say that one is related to the other, but kind of a coinkidink that they keep happening, one followed by the other.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/03/05/its-march-20-yeah-thats-it-qanon-theorists-get-it-so-wrong-on-march-4-insurrection-claim-its-still-happening-and-lol/

https://www.theepochtimes.com/capitol-police-asks-for-national-guard-troop-extension-to-march-12_3721450.html

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: TommyGunn on March 05, 2021, 11:48:28 AM
 :facepalm:  I'm getting to the point where I'm wishing for a REAL insurrection ...... [ar15]  :O =(
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on March 05, 2021, 04:12:02 PM
:facepalm:  I'm getting to the point where I'm wishing for a REAL insurrection ...... [ar15]  :O =(

Don't worry, they are instigating as fast as they can.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on March 12, 2021, 04:04:01 PM
Holy hell, at least 100 more arrests on the way. At the same time that at least triple that number have had their cases dismissed with prejudice over the antifa and blm riots.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/at-least-100-more-expected-to-be-charged-in-capitol-breach-investigation-doj_3731136.html

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“While most of the cases have been brought against individual defendants, the government is also investigating conspiratorial activity that occurred prior to and on January 6, 2021,” the court documents said. “Some of the conspiratorial activity being investigated, such as the activity under investigation in this matter, involves a large number of participants.”

"Conspiratorial activity" sounds like a dangerous and undefined catch-all.

ETA: Also this:

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They noted that more than 15,000 hours of surveillance and body-camera footage is being reviewed, 1,600 devices have been confiscated, “hundreds of searches of electronic communication providers” have been carried out by law enforcement, and more than 200,000 tips have been received so far.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on March 12, 2021, 04:32:22 PM
Holy hell, at least 100 more arrests on the way. At the same time that at least triple that number have had their cases dismissed with prejudice over the antifa and blm riots.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/at-least-100-more-expected-to-be-charged-in-capitol-breach-investigation-doj_3731136.html

"Conspiratorial activity" sounds like a dangerous and undefined catch-all.

ETA: Also this:

Doesn't matter if the charges are getting dismissed, the message is still being delivered.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: cordex on March 12, 2021, 04:33:45 PM
Doesn't matter if the charges are getting dismissed, the message is still being delivered.
You may have misread.  Those are antifa/blm riot charges that are being dismissed.

The message is loud and clear.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Jim147 on March 12, 2021, 06:52:32 PM
You may have misread.  Those are antifa/blm riot charges that are being dismissed.

The message is loud and clear.

Yes the Trump supporters are being held without bail until trial.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on March 12, 2021, 07:00:05 PM
Yes the Trump supporters are being held without bail until trial.

I was unaware of that. These are the same people pushing elimination of bail and letting (certain) people loose on their own recognizance, no?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on March 12, 2021, 07:35:37 PM
You may have misread.  Those are antifa/blm riot charges that are being dismissed.

The message is loud and clear.

Yup, I misread, but we seem to be pointing to the same thing so no worries.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on March 13, 2021, 04:27:16 PM
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a court filing on Friday by the U.S. asks for “a 60-day continuance” and for the court “to exclude the time within which the trial must commence under the Speedy Trial Act.”

Might as well ship them off to Gitmo.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/03/13/prosecutors-request-delay-in-cases-related-to-capitol-riot-likely-the-most-complex-investigation-ever-prosecuted-by-the-doj/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2021, 04:03:57 PM
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Two men have been charged with assaulting fallen U.S. Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick on Jan. 6 after prosecutors say video evidence shows them dousing Sicknick and other law enforcement officers with a chemical spray outside the building.

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He faces several felonies, including assault with a dangerous weapon, conspiracy to injure a law enforcement officer and obstruction of a federal proceeding. He faces up to 60 years in prison.

Up to 60 years in prison for using what appears to be bear spray, which antifa uses every night on anyone they don't like, in every city where they protest. I see video after video of them spraying people, yet none are arrested and certainly not charged with assault or carrying a dangerous weapon, and especially not faced with 60 years in the slammer.

The capitol riots were wrong, but the extremely uneven application of the legal system is even more wrong.

 https://www.foxnews.com/us/capitol-police-officer-brian-sicknick-arrests-two-charged-assault-chemical-spray
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Nick1911 on March 15, 2021, 04:25:07 PM
Up to 60 years in prison for using what appears to be bear spray, which antifa uses every night on anyone they don't like, in every city where they protest. I see video after video of them spraying people, yet none are arrested and certainly not charged with assault or carrying a dangerous weapon, and especially not faced with 60 years in the slammer.

The capitol riots were wrong, but the extremely uneven application of the legal system is even more wrong.

 https://www.foxnews.com/us/capitol-police-officer-brian-sicknick-arrests-two-charged-assault-chemical-spray

I try hard to see both sides of an issue.  Things wouldn't be "an issue" if there weren't multiple perspectives.

I have a hard time seeing any balance with how the capitol hill riots are being treated vs the routine riots that have gripped major US cities for the past year.

It's quite clear that legal force being applied much more heavily to protesters/rioters of one particular political ideology vs another.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: sumpnz on March 15, 2021, 04:35:32 PM
I try hard to see both sides of an issue.  Things wouldn't be "an issue" if there weren't multiple perspectives.

I have a hard time seeing any balance with how the capitol hill riots are being treated vs the routine riots that have gripped major US cities for the past year.

It's quite clear that legal force being applied much more heavily to protesters/rioters of one particular political ideology vs another.

Message received, 5x5.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on March 16, 2021, 03:27:37 PM
On a related note someone asked me what was going on in Taiwan, something about some riots.
What does this have to do with Jan 6th you ask
Typed in "Taiwan riots 2021" in DuckDuckGo and stories about some protests over pork imports into Taiwan came up
Typed in "Taiwan riots 2021" in Google and after three pages of results that only had to do with the Jan 6 "insurrection" I found one on something going on in Taiwan from 2014.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on March 31, 2021, 04:19:13 PM
The two men charged in the Officer Sicknick death appear to be getting railroaded by the FBI.

If they don't have any other evidence other than what this article claims, then the two guys are innocent and should walk.

https://www.revolver.news/2021/03/new-york-times-sicknick-video-creates-big-problems-for-capitol-riot-prosecutors/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on March 31, 2021, 04:55:05 PM
The two men charged in the Officer Sicknick death appear to be getting railroaded by the FBI.

If they don't have any other evidence other than what this article claims, then the two guys are innocent and should walk.

https://www.revolver.news/2021/03/new-york-times-sicknick-video-creates-big-problems-for-capitol-riot-prosecutors/
Police use "chemical spray" all the time.  If they try to make the case that it is deadly, what does that say about them?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on March 31, 2021, 05:03:46 PM
I wish the left would make up it's mind, one moment all police are the racist enforcers of white supremacy and the next they're heroes of the empire.   
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on March 31, 2021, 05:16:31 PM
The two men charged in the Officer Sicknick death appear to be getting railroaded by the FBI.

If they don't have any other evidence other than what this article claims, then the two guys are innocent and should walk.

https://www.revolver.news/2021/03/new-york-times-sicknick-video-creates-big-problems-for-capitol-riot-prosecutors/

Wow. The was a good read. Especially the details they got into on the imagery. This is looking like two guys who should have been issued a ticket for disturbing the peace are getting basically life in prison. Again, while all of antifa walks free.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: griz on April 01, 2021, 08:39:30 AM
Police use "chemical spray" all the time.  If they try to make the case that it is deadly, what does that say about them?

I was thinking the same thing.  It even looks like a can of spray in Officer Sicknick's hand in the view from his body cam.  That doesn't at all mean it was OK to spray him, but I've heard many officers say that when you use OC that it goes everywhere and it's common to get some yourself.  So it brings into question why he would have a tool that might be fatal to himself if that's what killed him.

Why is the second guy, the one who didn't spray the officer, being charged with murder?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RocketMan on April 01, 2021, 09:25:07 AM
I was thinking the same thing.  It even looks like a can of spray in Officer Sicknick's hand in the view from his body cam.  That doesn't at all mean it was OK to spray him, but I've heard many officers say that when you use OC that it goes everywhere and it's common to get some yourself.  So it brings into question why he would have a tool that might be fatal to himself if that's what killed him.

Why is the second guy, the one who didn't spray the officer, being charged with murder?

Because reasons.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on April 19, 2021, 05:01:14 PM
While my sympathies still go to his family, Brian Sicknick appears to have died of natural causes:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/04/19/officer-brian-sicknick-found-to-have-died-of-natural-causes-after-the-storming-of-the-capitol-building-no-indications-of-injuries/

The MSM already did their damage though, and I bet a lot of people will still be going to prison because their phone's location feature put them in the wrong place at the wrong time.

EDIT: Before it's mentioned, yes, I'm sure the stress of the situation contributed, even greatly, to the strokes. However, individuals didn't kill him.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on April 19, 2021, 05:10:56 PM
Doesn't matter, the narrative has been written
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 19, 2021, 07:17:28 PM
I wish the left would make up it's mind, one moment all police are the racist enforcers of white supremacy and the next they're heroes of the empire.

Same. Remember how evil it was to criticize the good people investigating President Trump's ties to Russia?

Also, just for fun, remember the bloodbath that ensued when all the white supremacists got together about a week ago?

https://www.businessinsider.com/multiple-cities-preparing-for-white-pride-rallies-over-the-weekend-2021-4?op=1
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: HankB on April 20, 2021, 08:13:35 AM
Police use "chemical spray" all the time.  If they try to make the case that it is deadly, what does that say about them?
The argument has already been made that when police use a taser, it's non lethal force - but use a taser ON a cop, and that's assault with a deadly weapon. So I expect the same argument from the same people when it comes to pepper spray.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on April 20, 2021, 10:00:23 AM
The argument has already been made that when police use a taser, it's non lethal force - but use a taser ON a cop, and that's assault with a deadly weapon. So I expect the same argument from the same people when it comes to pepper spray.

The argument I usually see is that is an attempt to get their gun which is a deadly weapon
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Pb on April 20, 2021, 10:11:01 AM
Tasers do kill people on rare occasions.

Overall they reduce deaths by making it less likely a cop will need to resort to a gun.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on May 01, 2021, 08:13:24 AM
They sure seem to be going all out to track down that Pelosi laptop "with nothing on it".

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/search-for-pelosis-laptop-leads-feds-to-alaska-and-wrong-home-woman-claims

There was a comment in the comments section about the guy who sat behind Pelosi's desk still being held. Obviously only hearsay, but I'd like to verify that. He was a dummy for doing it, but it didn't deserve being held without bail all this time. Especially, again, when compared to how antifa has been treated in the legal system.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Jim147 on May 01, 2021, 10:36:10 AM
They are still holding a bunch of people with no bail. After all it was the worst attack on democracy since the civil war.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Andiron on May 01, 2021, 10:51:04 AM
They sure seem to be going all out to track down that Pelosi laptop "with nothing on it".

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/search-for-pelosis-laptop-leads-feds-to-alaska-and-wrong-home-woman-claims


I'd gift wrap that thing and mail it to Uncle Vlad, and then make some popcorn.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on May 01, 2021, 10:59:32 AM
Dollars to donuts it wasn't a goofy MAGA guy who grabbed it or has it currently.

The whole "insurrection" is sketchy, the narrative surrounding it makes no sense.

I believe nothing about it at all, one way or the other, because the only information available is from government and media sources.

 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Fly320s on May 01, 2021, 07:10:18 PM
I'd gift wrap that thing and mail it to Uncle Vlad, and then make some popcorn.

Putin?  There wouldn't be any point in doing that.  Russia already knows what they want to know.  Besides, Putin and Clinton are probably friends.

edit:  I wrote Clinton, but meant to write Pelosi.  Same thing really.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Andiron on May 01, 2021, 08:21:22 PM
Putin?  There wouldn't be any point in doing that.  Russia already knows what they want to know.  Besides, Putin and Clinton are probably friends.

Who really knows?  Anything that makes Pelosi twist is fine by me.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: cordex on May 01, 2021, 08:51:24 PM
Who really knows?  Anything that makes Pelosi twist is fine by me.
Why would that hurt Pelosi?  Give Russia leverage over her maybe, but they wouldn’t be likely to publicize anything unless kicking her to the curb served their needs.  Say to advance an even more extreme candidate.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on June 06, 2021, 11:39:11 AM
So gov is claiming $1.5 million in damage to the capitol building. This seems a bit inflated. I could see a few hundred thousand, but $1.5 million? They are using that figure to charge all the arrested people for reimbursement.

Which, "Hey, they have insurance!" ( I know they don't - gov is self-insured). The point is that I don't see Portland and other rioters being forced to pay businesses to rebuild. "That's what insurance is for".

More and more, fed.gov is going way too far with 06JAN. They might have gotten away with more subtle retribution, but continuing to hold people without bail, shooting for misdemeanor trespassers to get 60+ year prison sentences, overinflating damages to force restitution, all while lefty protestors are walking around with "get out of jail free" cards. Not to mention Ashli Babbitt.

Maybe it's good they are being so blatant about this stuff.

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The breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 led to nearly $1.5 million in damage to the building, prosecutors said in one filing, as they said in a separate case they expect to ultimately charge over 550 people in the incident.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Mona Sedky disclosed the damage estimate in a plea agreement this week in the case of Paul Hodgkins, who has agreed to plead guilty to one count of obstructing an official proceeding.

“Your client acknowledges that the riot that occurred on January 6,2021, caused as of May 17, 2021, approximately $1,495,326.55 damage to the United States Capitol,” Sedky wrote.

Hodgkins agreed to pay $2,000 in restitution to the Department of Treasury.

The Architect of the Capitol, Sedky, and the Department of Justice (DOJ) did not return requests for comment on the damage estimate.

A spokeswoman for the architect told the Washington Post that the architect’s office gave assessments of the damage to the DOJ, which used the information to calculate how much each defendant should pay.

Another prosecutor, meanwhile, disclosed that government officials expect that over 550 people will ultimately be charged for participating in the breach.

“The investigation and prosecution of these crimes will likely be one of the largest in American history, both in terms of the number of defendants prosecuted and the nature and volume of the evidence. Over 450 individuals have been charged. The investigation continues and the government expects that at least one hundred additional individuals will be charged,” Amanda Jawad, an assistant U.S. attorney, wrote in a court filing.

More at:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/capitol-breach-caused-nearly-1-5-million-in-damage-prosecutors_3845707.html
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 06, 2021, 02:03:33 PM
How much of the damage cost is due to the clean up from all the democrats shitting all over themselves in fear?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: zahc on June 06, 2021, 02:21:05 PM
I agree the number is inflated, without a doubt. These  types of deals always claim as much damage as possible. But 1.5 million is a tiny number. I wouldn't even have a hard time believing there was 1.5million in actual damages. But if the claimed number is only 1.5 million, it means they found practically no damage.

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on June 06, 2021, 03:15:16 PM
I agree the number is inflated, without a doubt. These  types of deals always claim as much damage as possible. But 1.5 million is a tiny number. I wouldn't even have a hard time believing there was 1.5million in actual damages. But if the claimed number is only 1.5 million, it means they found practically no damage.

If there were real damage, I would have assumed the usual MSM suspects would have had wall to wall video of it. Other than a few broken windows and doors and stuff, I saw nothing that was major damage. I wasn't checking all the news everywhere, but as I said, they were making this into the worst thing in the history of the Earth, so if they had visuals, I'm certain they would have used them heavily.

It also seems to me that most of the people there were looking for someone to yell at, and weren't there to destroy the building they wanted their preferred politicians to occupy.  Nor, given their political backgrounds, would the "rioters" (that weren't inserted lefties) want their tax dollars to go to building reconstruction. That property destruction stuff is generally the purview of the left.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: just Warren on June 06, 2021, 03:49:59 PM
If there were real damage, I would have assumed the usual MSM suspects would have had wall to wall video of it. Other than a few broken windows and doors and stuff, I saw nothing that was major damage.

Remember, these are the same people that pay $400 for hammers.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Cliffh on June 06, 2021, 08:59:33 PM
Remember, these are the same people that pay $400 for hammers.

That's what I coming here to say.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Bogie on June 07, 2021, 12:18:22 AM
Let's say that tonight a gangster heroin dealer named Abdi Banikwee (born here, and his parents thought that was cool because someone told them it was from some country without sanitation) starts waving an AK around in a local stop'n'rob's parking lot. He announces that he's gonna go inside and kill everyone. If a local metro cop cancels his ticket, that metro cop will have his name, picture and address in the paper the next day, but on TV faster.
 
Most of midtown would be behind plywood again. Some of the stores near me still haven't taken it down - they got tired of jacking around with it. Some stuff would be on fire. There would be people from suburbia lost, and asking for directions.
 
We still don't know the name of the cufflink-wearing "officer" who executed Babbitt.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on June 23, 2021, 09:22:44 PM
Here's the first person sentenced from the 06JAN "insurrection". She sure looks like she was doing at least 10X the destruction that the antifa rioters in Portland did.  ;/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1407030961196482568/e647fWbM?format=jpg&name=small)

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/06/23/first-capitol-riot-sentencing-grandmother-pleads-guilty-to-parading-in-a-capitol-building-is-fined-500/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on June 24, 2021, 10:13:37 AM
It appears the above grandma, and several others with court-appointed attorneys are going through a little CHICOM style deprogramming. Wondering if being waterboarded will get them extra credit?

Note that this is not a right wing news source exaggerating things - this is a left wing news source saying it's a good thing. I also have to wonder how this particular attorney was assigned. Kind of a coincidence that a radically white apologist who thinks America sucks is "defending" these people.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/capitol-attack-defendants-history-lessons_n_60cba79be4b0a48ee253908e
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Cliffh on June 24, 2021, 09:13:16 PM
I couldn't read the entire article.  Blood pressure was going up, dinner trying to come up - had to leave that page.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: sumpnz on June 25, 2021, 08:43:19 AM
I also have to wonder how this particular attorney was assigned. Kind of a coincidence that a radically white apologist who thinks America sucks is "defending" these people.


Apparently a LOT of DC attorneys are simply refusing to take on anyone arrested for the “insurrection”. 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on June 25, 2021, 11:44:08 AM
Apparently a LOT of DC attorneys are simply refusing to take on anyone arrested for the “insurrection”.

Because they don't want to become entangled in political persecutions and become targets themselves, or they are onboard with the current narrative.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on June 25, 2021, 11:55:59 AM
Apparently a LOT of DC attorneys are simply refusing to take on anyone arrested for the “insurrection”.

Though in the linked article, they are talking about whatever version of public defender the fed.gov uses in DC. I know nothing about it, but always assumed public defenders were just assigned cases as they became available. It sounds like this lawyer got a very high proportion of 06JAN cases assigned to her, which if my previous assumption is correct, would be kinda fishy, given her politics.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on June 25, 2021, 01:19:13 PM
Though in the linked article, they are talking about whatever version of public defender the fed.gov uses in DC. I know nothing about it, but always assumed public defenders were just assigned cases as they became available. It sounds like this lawyer got a very high proportion of 06JAN cases assigned to her, which if my previous assumption is correct, would be kinda fishy, given her politics.

Gee, kinda fishy?  These people are political prisoners in America.  The whole damn thing is corrupt and despotic.  Kinda fishy. 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on June 25, 2021, 01:43:58 PM
  The whole damn thing is corrupt and despotic.  Kinda fishy.

What in DC isn't?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: just Warren on June 25, 2021, 07:27:11 PM
FBI out there arresting people for standing in a hallway.

Way to go, guys.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on June 26, 2021, 02:51:35 AM
What in DC isn't?


I got nothin'.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on June 26, 2021, 10:04:16 AM
Further info on the grandma. She has apparently also lost her second amendment rights due to the misdemeanor "parading" charge. She had to sign a document admitting her "white guilt".


https://www.foxnews.com/media/indiana-grandmother-first-convicted-capitol-riot-ingraham
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on June 26, 2021, 11:43:10 AM

I got nothin'.
I was about to mention some guy named K Frame, but thought better of it. 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on June 29, 2021, 03:29:54 PM
You know that guy who sat at Nancy Pelosi's desk? Turns out a news reporter talked him into sitting there for a photo. Now, it might not have been smart of him to take the reporter up on that, but it didn't warrant having him sit in jail with no bail for four months. This is what the government said about him and his actions to get a judge to keep him locked up:

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At first glance, Barnett is charged with what sound like serious felonies. The government describes him as a “Tier One domestic terrorist” and “a ticking time bomb.”

His lawyer got him out of the pokey, and from the sound of things in the article, the constitutional reasoning to get him sprung should work for most of the others being illegally held without bail.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/attorney-for-man-made-infamous-by-january-6-photo-accuses-feds-of-multiple-constitutional-violations_3879683.html
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Andiron on June 29, 2021, 06:11:35 PM


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    At first glance, Barnett is charged with what sound like serious felonies. The government describes him as a “Tier One domestic terrorist” and “a ticking time bomb

He was probably some well meaning dipshit, rightfully angry over the stolen election just blowing off steam.  I rather doubt months of unlawful confinement have improved his opinion of the .gov.

  Self fulfilling prophesy .
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Bogie on June 29, 2021, 11:55:29 PM
"You cannot legally buy a modern rifle."
 
"Okay I'm gonna go watch that Tom Selleck movie about Australia again..."
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on July 02, 2021, 01:27:57 PM
Wow, just wow

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Tom Elliott
@tomselliott
Replying to @tomselliott
McCaskill: "We’re going to start a new family tradition in my family; on the Fourth of July and every Fourth of July going forward, we’re going to watch" video of the Capitol riot
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/07/02/claire-mccaskill-says-her-family-will-celebrate-every-july-4-by-watching-footage-of-capitol-riots-which-were-ackshually-worse-than-benghazi-video/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on July 07, 2021, 10:36:39 AM
5 out of 5 facepalms
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

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The Daily Beast
@thedailybeast
FBI: Investigators found fully assembled U.S. Capitol Lego toy at Jan. 6 riot leader’s home
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According to court documents obtained by Smoking Gun, FBI investigators seized an array of firearms from his home—as well as what the court filings described as a “fully constructed U.S. Capitol Lego set.”

‘He had blueprints!!!!’: FBI says they discovered a ‘fully assembled U.S. Capitol Lego set’ at the home of alleged Jan. 6 rioter
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/07/07/he-had-blueprints-fbi-says-they-discovered-a-fully-assembled-u-s-capitol-lego-set-at-the-home-of-alleged-jan-6-rioter/

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 07, 2021, 12:45:53 PM
Hans Gruber had a Lego Nakatomi Tower ...
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on July 07, 2021, 08:25:08 PM
oh boy

FBI infiltrates group that wanted to test bombs, surveil Capitol, secede from US, court records show
https://www.wlky.com/article/fbi-infiltrates-group-that-wanted-to-test-bombs-surveil-capitol-secede-from-us-court-records-show/36948912
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on July 10, 2021, 09:43:43 PM
It appears that there may finally be concrete evidence regarding the shooter that day:

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Now a new name has surfaced in the Babbitt imbroglio—Lt. Michael L. Byrd—and while USCP Communications Director Eva Malecki won’t confirm he is the shooter, in this case she isn’t denying it.

In a little-noticed exchange, Byrd was cited by the acting House sergeant at arms during a brief discussion of the officer who shot Babbitt at a Feb. 25 House hearing. Both C-SPAN and CNN removed his name from transcripts, but CQ Transcripts—which, according to its website, provides “the complete word from Capitol Hill; exactly as it was spoken”—recorded the Capitol official, Timothy Blodgett, referring to the cop as “Officer Byrd.” His name is clearly audible in the videotape of the hearing (see video embed further below).

Byrd appears to match the description of the shooter, who video footage shows is an African American dressed that day in a business suit. Jewelry, including a beaded bracelet and lapel pin, also match up with photos of Byrd.

In addition, Byrd’s resume lines up with what is known about the experience and position of the officer involved in the shooting—a veteran USCP officer who holds the rank of lieutenant and is the commander of the House Chamber Section of the Capitol Police.

Following the shooting, Byrd’s Internet footprint was scrubbed, including his social media and personal photos.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/naming-the-capitol-police-officer-who-killed-unarmed-jan-6-rioter-ashli-babbitt_3892747.html
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on July 11, 2021, 10:25:39 AM
Update. It was still in the box  I don't know whether to laugh or cry sometimes.

Julie Kelly 🇺🇸
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@julie_kelly2
Update on man with legos. "In original detention memoranda, the undersigned stated that law enforcement found a 'fully constructed U.S. Capitol Lego set.' That statement appears to be inaccurate. The Lego set was in a box and not fully constructed at the time of the search." 🙄
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/07/11/womp-womp-evil-lego-man-with-evil-fully-constructed-u-s-capitol-lego-set-story-already-falling-apart-because-duh/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: cordex on July 11, 2021, 11:03:48 AM
Other than being a lie, I don’t know why that matters. In a box, fully assembled. Who cares?

I guess if it is assembled then he was using that highly accurate tool for training.
If it was disassembled it showed the ruin he wanted to make out of the capital.

Or something.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 11, 2021, 03:38:05 PM
The biggest thing to me with all this is the judge appears to be acting as a rubber stamp for the prosecutor.  No impartiality at all.

Not unexpected, but something to note.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: bedlamite on July 12, 2021, 05:42:18 PM
(https://i1.wp.com/www.winterwatch.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/d3d56032f029f9d9.jpeg?w=828&ssl=1)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on July 14, 2021, 02:58:38 PM
Entire family arrested. Note how they were caught:

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Five members of a family were arrested on Tuesday for allegedly breaching the Capitol building through a broken window on Jan. 6 when the joint session of Congress was certifying the presidential election results.

Joshua Munn, 24, was arrested in Melrose, Wisconsin. He was released after an initial federal court appearance in Madison, Wisconsin.

His father, Tom Munn, 54, his mother, Dawn Munn, 55, and his sisters Kristi Munn, 29, and Kayli Munn, 18, were arrested in Borger, Texas. All were booked into the Randall County Jail pending their initial court appearances Wednesday, and jail records show no attorneys for them, Houston Chronicle reported.

Epoch Times Photo
A photo of the Munn family was posted on Facebook. A minor is blacked out and not charged in the case. (Screenshot of FBI criminal complaint via The Epoch Times)
On Jan. 9, the FBI received information from a tipster, a relative of Kristi Munn’s fiancé, that Kristi Munn entered the Capitol on Jan. 6. The FBI then investigated the case.

In the criminal complaint (pdf), the FBI claimed the five members of the Munn family “were unlawfully inside the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021.”

The complaint showed photos and remarks the family members posted on Facebook and Snapchat, along with screenshots from the security footage. Some remarks were private messages obtained through federal search warrants.

More at:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/five-family-members-arrested-for-jan-6-capitol-breach_3901208.html
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 14, 2021, 03:08:45 PM
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the FBI received information from a tipster, a relative of Kristi Munn’s fiancé,

That should make for some interesting holiday dinner conversation.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: fifth_column on July 14, 2021, 03:29:20 PM
Some remarks were private messages obtained through federal search warrants.

I'd be willing to bet they had the messages before the warrants.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on July 14, 2021, 06:24:17 PM
I'd be willing to bet they had the messages before the warrants.

Parallel construction is SOP now.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: fifth_column on July 15, 2021, 10:03:21 AM
Parallel construction is SOP now.

I had never heard the term before. In case anyone is interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on July 15, 2021, 12:43:52 PM
I had never heard the term before. In case anyone is interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction)

Thank you, I probably should have done that.  :P
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on July 15, 2021, 05:28:43 PM
Hey, so given the new definition of insurrection, shouldn't this congresswoman, and everyone with her,  be charged with a felony instead of a misdemeanor, and also be locked up without bail until whenever?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-capitol-police-arrest-representative-beatty-during-protest-in-hart-senate-office-building
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 15, 2021, 06:58:15 PM
Hey, so given the new definition of insurrection, shouldn't this congresswoman, and everyone with her,  be charged with a felony instead of a misdemeanor, and also be locked up without bail until whenever?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-capitol-police-arrest-representative-beatty-during-protest-in-hart-senate-office-building

Silly Ben.

When the Right does it, it's insurrection.

When the Left does it, it's mostly peaceful protest.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on July 19, 2021, 12:52:32 PM
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A Florida man who breached the U.S. Senate chamber carrying a Trump campaign flag was sentenced Monday to eight months behind bars, the first resolution for a felony case in the Capitol insurrection.

Paul Allard Hodgkins apologized and said he was ashamed of his actions on Jan 6. Speaking calmly from a prepared text, he described being caught up in the euphoria as he walked down Washington's most famous avenue, then followed a crowd of hundreds into the Capitol.

“If I had any idea that the protest ... would escalate (the way) it did ... I would never have ventured farther than the sidewalk of Pennsylvania Avenue,” Hodgkins told the judge. He added: “This was a foolish decision on my part.”

Capitol rioter who breached Senate gets 8 months for felony
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/capitol-rioter-who-breached-senate-gets-8-months-for-felony/article_2f35db85-00c7-5461-86c4-bd667ed65424.html
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Bogie on July 19, 2021, 01:24:01 PM
Frankly, the way they're reacting about a few thousand folks carrying flags, one has to wonder just how they'll act for a real insurrection.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on July 19, 2021, 01:26:58 PM
The more I see about the people punished, their pre-trial treatment, the ridiculous stuff they are being charged with, and the ridiculous sentences they are getting, the more I'm thinking maybe 06JAN should have been a real and actual insurrection.

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Paul Allard Hodgkins apologized and said he was ashamed of his actions on Jan 6. Speaking calmly from a prepared text,

This reads like one of those POW videos from Vietnam.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 19, 2021, 01:28:00 PM
Frankly, the way they're reacting about a few thousand folks carrying flags, one has to wonder just how they'll act for a real insurrection.

They've pretty well tipped their hand on that issue. They've actually threatened using nukes so nothing would surprise me. Drone strikes on "insurgent strongholds" are not beyond the possible with these aholes.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: fifth_column on July 19, 2021, 01:33:59 PM
Frankly, the way they're reacting about a few thousand folks carrying flags, one has to wonder just how they'll act for a real insurrection.

They're obviously throwing the book at the people that were the most successful in breaching their defenses in an attempt to discourage others from trying the same.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: sumpnz on July 19, 2021, 02:03:06 PM
They're obviously throwing the book at the people that were the most successful in breaching their defenses in an attempt to discourage others from trying the same.

Which means that next time it won’t be play acting.

If what that guy did is a felony, well, remember kids, after the first felony the rest are free.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Bogie on July 19, 2021, 02:10:10 PM
I wonder - did they ever get all the bullet holes in the capitol walls patched? What about the wing that was burned down, and the holes in the roof from the mortar rounds? Are the hostage congresscritters still alive?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Jim147 on July 19, 2021, 04:55:31 PM
What about when it got bombed? Oh wait those weren't Trump supporters. And iirc Clinton pardoned one of them.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on July 19, 2021, 05:00:23 PM
Main damage was Pelosi soiled her depends, which were probably already full anyway, and AOC wet her diapers
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Boomhauer on July 19, 2021, 05:18:25 PM
According to the judge in the Hodgkins case holding a Trump flag undermines democracy because it “shows loyalty to a single individual over the nation”

The statements by the judge are outright terrifying IMHO.

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Boomhauer on July 19, 2021, 05:19:22 PM
The biggest thing to me with all this is the judge appears to be acting as a rubber stamp for the prosecutor.  No impartiality at all.

Not unexpected, but something to note.

He is definitely on the side of the prosecution. Disgusting.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on July 19, 2021, 05:21:02 PM
According to the judge in the Hodgkins case holding a Trump flag undermines democracy because it “shows loyalty to a single individual over the nation”

The statements by the judge are outright terrifying IMHO.

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.etsystatic.com%2F23529370%2Fr%2Fil%2F878683%2F2513707809%2Fil_794xN.2513707809_bte2.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Pb on July 19, 2021, 07:40:55 PM
The jackass judge:

One of the "worst episodes in American history"...

Well, this probably was the "worst episode in the Republican Party history"...

This is the only time in my life that I have ever seen Republicans start a riot.

Now, if we were talking about the worst episode in the history of the Democratic Party, it would be hard to choose between slavery, the Trail of Tears, the Civil War, the Japanese Internment, the Tulsa Race Massacre, the Rosewood Massacre.... etc etc.

 ;/

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Jim147 on July 19, 2021, 09:57:12 PM
Do any of you remember when the building got bombed? I think it was twice. Not by Trump supporters. IIRC Clinton pardoned one.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: TommyGunn on July 19, 2021, 10:16:08 PM
Do any of you remember when the building got bombed? I think it was twice. Not by Trump supporters. IIRC Clinton pardoned one.

1983  ......  ?     ???
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: fifth_column on July 20, 2021, 09:43:55 AM
Do any of you remember when the building got bombed? I think it was twice. Not by Trump supporters. IIRC Clinton pardoned one.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/07/bomb-explodes-in-us-capitol-nov-7-1983-244578 (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/07/bomb-explodes-in-us-capitol-nov-7-1983-244578)

The article ascribes "retaliation for the recent U.S. military actions in Grenada and Lebanon" as the motive.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on July 26, 2021, 07:51:52 PM
You can't make this stuff up but they seem to have no problem in doing so

Thread shows that Black Lives Matter protests weren’t superspreader events, but the Capitol riot was
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/07/26/thread-shows-that-black-lives-matter-protests-werent-superspreader-events-but-the-capitol-riot-was/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 26, 2021, 09:57:41 PM
I'm sure Representative Scalise still has nightmares about 1/6. Until then, he'd always felt perfectly safe...
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on July 27, 2021, 07:35:10 PM
Well, the 06JAN "committee" is going about as I'd expect considering who is on it:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jan-6-commission-hearing-cops-trump-republicans-capitol-attack

I saw one of the committee "republicans" cried during testimony.


In the meantime, contrary to Pelosi's statement, a few things worse than 06JAN:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/07/27/the-violent-domestic-attack-of-january-6-was-not-the-worst-assault-on-the-capitol-since-the-war-of-1812/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on July 27, 2021, 08:22:09 PM
Can the Agriculture Commissioner do this?

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Florida Democratic official suspends concealed carry permits for 22 people tied to Capitol riot

Florida Agriculture Commissioner Nikki Fried moved on Tuesday to suspend the concealed carry licenses of 22 people charged in connection to the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol.

“The deeply disturbing events that occurred at our nation’s Capitol on January 6th were sedition, treason, and domestic terrorism – and those individuals involved in the insurrection must be held accountable for attempting to subvert our democratic process,” Fried said in a statement.

Fried’s office did not specify which individuals would have their concealed carry licenses suspended, but so far, dozens of Floridians have been arrested in connection with the riot.

Florida’s Nikki Fried Unilaterally Suspends 22 Florida CCW Licenses Over January 6th Protest
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/floridas-nikki-fried-unilaterally-suspends-22-florida-ccw-licenses-over-january-6th-protest/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on July 27, 2021, 08:59:45 PM
Can the Agriculture Commissioner do this?

Florida’s Nikki Fried Unilaterally Suspends 22 Florida CCW Licenses Over January 6th Protest
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/floridas-nikki-fried-unilaterally-suspends-22-florida-ccw-licenses-over-january-6th-protest/

Charged, not convicted, so the old, "guilty until proven innocent" thing again. Even if guilty, I guess it would depend on Florida law, but can you lose your permit over a trespassing misdemeanor?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 27, 2021, 09:05:59 PM
Well, the 06JAN "committee" is going about as I'd expect considering who is on it:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jan-6-commission-hearing-cops-trump-republicans-capitol-attack

I saw one of the committee "republicans" cried during testimony.


I wonder if it's an accident that TWO photos of one of the cops labels him a sergeant in the captions, while buried in the article he is identified (TWICE) as a Private First Class.

Poor Private Dunn. Such unbridled violence!

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U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) Private First Class Harry Dunn talked about how the attackers hurled the N-word at him.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: griz on July 27, 2021, 09:13:48 PM
Can the Agriculture Commissioner do this?

I wondered the same thing.  Due process aside, I would have assumed that revocation would be the bailiwick of the issuing authority.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on July 27, 2021, 09:31:29 PM
I wondered the same thing.  Due process aside, I would have assumed that revocation would be the bailiwick of the issuing authority.

I don't have a FL non-resident anymore, but IIRC, carry permits are processed through the ag department there.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: dogmush on July 27, 2021, 09:45:58 PM
I don't have a FL non-resident anymore, but IIRC, carry permits are processed through the ag department there.

They are.  Mrs. Fried is the issuing authority for FL CCW permits, so without doing a bunch of digging, I suspect she can suspend them pretty easily given the criminal charges.  If they hold fast, don't plead, and are acquitted, they would likely see their licenses reinstated.

I confess I'm getting pretty sick of folks acting like a riot is the worst thing ever just because they disagree with it.  Not only is it infuriating on soundbites and the internet, the over the top rhetoric breeds the attitude that the next riot might as well actually be an insurrection.  there's nothing to lose.

Gods know what these narcissists would label something like the Whiskey Rebellion or the Bonus Army these days.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: griz on July 27, 2021, 10:36:51 PM
Ok, thanks for the info.  Kind of silly of me thinking the way the government laid out the system would be logical, I should have known better.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: dogmush on July 27, 2021, 10:54:09 PM
It's because FL treats a CCW like a hunting or fishing license.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on July 29, 2021, 10:10:56 AM
A couple of stories:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/politics/capitol-insurrection-guns-stockpile-fired-cop/index.html

Okay, this guy was a knucklehead and should have been laying low (and when will people learn to stay off the social media?). But... "guns bought over the internet", plus all sorts of other stuff that likely isn't true. I'm unsure how much of that is reporting vs authorities manipulating things. Like I see what are very likely dummy grenades in the photo, and am wondering if "bomb making material" is Tannerite or something. Again, guy is a knucklehead, but this illustrates how media manipulation could turn anyone into a terrorist.


https://techcrunch.com/2021/07/26/court-orders-us-capitol-rioter-to-unlock-his-laptop-with-his-face/

They sort of explain why technically it's not self incrimination, but this sure sounds like forced self-incrimination to me.

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 29, 2021, 11:01:47 AM
There is that question on the 4473 asking if you are under indictment.  I guess they are choosing to go after him on that when they won't for others.  Reminds me that I think failure to prosecute others under the same law should be a defense to prosecution. 

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: RocketMan on July 29, 2021, 11:04:06 AM
A couple of stories:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/politics/capitol-insurrection-guns-stockpile-fired-cop/index.html

Okay, this guy was a knucklehead and should have been laying low (and when will people learn to stay off the social media?). But... "guns bought over the internet", plus all sorts of other stuff that likely isn't true. I'm unsure how much of that is reporting vs authorities manipulating things. Like I see what are very likely dummy grenades in the photo, and am wondering if "bomb making material" is Tannerite or something. Again, guy is a knucklehead, but this illustrates how media manipulation could turn anyone into a terrorist.

It's really hard to tell what's going on with this guy.  He may well be a bozo.  However, given CNN's proclivity for piss poor reporting and just making things up rather than writing accurate news stories, I don't put much stock in their "journalism" about this issue.

edited for clarification
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 05, 2021, 08:43:16 AM
https://babylonbee.com/news/i-thought-i-was-going-to-die-says-capitol-police-officer-who-held-door-open-for-protestors-on-jan-6
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on August 06, 2021, 09:34:24 PM
Two months in the klink for "unlawful parading", which I guess is some sub-category of "insurrection"? Unlawful parading sounds like something you should get a $50 ticket for. People are going to prison for walking.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/08/06/justice-department-wants-a-2-month-prison-sentence-for-misdemeanor-unlawful-parading/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on August 10, 2021, 10:43:14 AM
AOC now claiming she feared being raped on 06JAN.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/08/10/aoc-now-claims-that-she-feared-she-would-be-raped-on-january-6-when-rioters-breached-the-building-she-wasnt-actually-in/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on August 10, 2021, 10:54:51 AM
AOC now claiming she feared being raped on 06JAN.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/08/10/aoc-now-claims-that-she-feared-she-would-be-raped-on-january-6-when-rioters-breached-the-building-she-wasnt-actually-in/

She wasn't even in the building
Maybe she should change her last name to Hogg
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: TechMan on August 10, 2021, 01:51:11 PM
AOC now claiming she feared being raped on 06JAN.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/08/10/aoc-now-claims-that-she-feared-she-would-be-raped-on-january-6-when-rioters-breached-the-building-she-wasnt-actually-in/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZIGYQ7KNHc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZIGYQ7KNHc)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on August 19, 2021, 11:07:55 AM
Hmmm

 Police probing report of explosive in truck near Capitol
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/police-probing-report-of-explosive-in-truck-near-capitol/article_6ef77bd7-4c89-5312-b3d7-bf5b51a5be9c.html


Capitol Police investigating suspicious vehicle near Library of Congress
Police investigating reports of possible explosive inside a truck
https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-capitol-lockdown-evaucation-suspicious-vehicle
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on August 19, 2021, 11:11:54 AM
AOC will be along shortly to tell us the driver wearing a MAGA hat tried to rape her.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on August 19, 2021, 11:27:39 AM
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The Associated Press reports police are investigating the report of a possible explosive in a pickup truck and that the area was being evacuated. The AP, citing two unnamed law enforcement sources, said a man is in the truck and they are trying to determine whether he is holding a detonator. Police are sending snipers to the scene.
https://wtop.com/dc/2021/08/us-capitol-police-investigating-suspicious-vehicle-near-library-of-congress/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: cordex on August 19, 2021, 11:28:21 AM
Washington DC is MAGA country.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on August 19, 2021, 11:34:46 AM
Maybe it's Corn Pop

Or an Amazon guy talking on the phone.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on August 19, 2021, 03:01:10 PM
He surrendered. Haven't seen anything yet on whether or not he actually had a bomb...or raped AOC.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on August 19, 2021, 03:14:06 PM
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    Just in: Domestic violent extremist who was threatening to detonate a bomb at the US Capitol appears to have surrendered himself to law enforcement and FBI — crawling out of his pickup truck on all fours.

    — Hugo Lowell (@hugolowell) August 19, 2021
‘It’s on you, Joe’: This appears to be a livestream from the man sitting in his pickup truck near the U.S. Capitol (watch); UPDATED
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/08/19/its-on-you-joe-this-appears-to-be-a-livestream-from-the-man-sitting-in-his-pickup-truck-near-the-u-s-capitol-watch/

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philip lewis
@Phil_Lewis_
·
2h
This appears to be the livestream of the man who is sitting in the pickup truck near the US Capitol
https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1428392832377708549?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 19, 2021, 04:20:11 PM
A bit more on the guy in the pickup truck:

https://heavy.com/news/ray-roseberry/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Pb on August 20, 2021, 09:18:30 AM
 [tinfoil]
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: zxcvbob on August 22, 2021, 05:30:25 PM
While driving thru Iowa yesterday I caught bits of a new story that a local man who had been arrested after the Jan 6 riot and released was going back to jail because he was caught listening to an anti-vax and anti-government podcast in his garage.  That's all the details I got.  WTF?  I have trouble imagining a more blatant 1st Amendment violation.  And how did he get caught?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Pb on August 22, 2021, 05:51:07 PM
I have trouble imagining a more blatant 1st Amendment violation. 

Why in the world would that matter? :mad:
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: sumpnz on August 22, 2021, 06:27:48 PM
While driving thru Iowa yesterday I caught bits of a new story that a local man who had been arrested after the Jan 6 riot and released was going back to jail because he was caught listening to an anti-vax and anti-government podcast in his garage.  That's all the details I got.  WTF?  I have trouble imagining a more blatant 1st Amendment violation.  And how did he get caught?

I read that one of the “defense” attorneys assigned to those folks was having them watch/read all kinds of leftist propaganda while they awaited trial or plea negotiations.  Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if the judges are imposing (probably with “defense” counsel approval/suggestion) that terms of release include not listening/viewing/reading anything that contradicts the official narrative.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on August 22, 2021, 06:48:06 PM
I read that one of the “defense” attorneys assigned to those folks was having them watch/read all kinds of leftist propaganda while they awaited trial or plea negotiations.  Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if the judges are imposing (probably with “defense” counsel approval/suggestion) that terms of release include not listening/viewing/reading anything that contradicts the official narrative.

Yup. I posted a couple of articles about that some pages back. The defense attorney is basically having them sign "woke confessions", POW style. I would not be surprised if there is some punishment stipulation for violating their confession.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: zxcvbob on August 22, 2021, 06:54:42 PM
Yup. I posted a couple of articles about that some pages back. The defense attorney is basically having them sign "woke confessions", POW style. I would not be surprised if there is some punishment stipulation for violating their confession.

I'm not sure you can waive fundamental rights; if not those stipulations should not be enforceable.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on August 22, 2021, 07:24:44 PM
I'm not sure you can waive fundamental rights; if not those stipulations should not be enforceable.

And certainly not when it is coerced with threats of legal persecution (not a misspelling).
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: sumpnz on August 22, 2021, 11:13:00 PM
I'm not sure you can waive fundamental rights; if not those stipulations should not be enforceable.

That assumes they have the means to hire a lawyer that will actually represent their best interests and protect their rights.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on August 23, 2021, 06:35:03 AM
That assumes they have the means to hire a lawyer that will actually represent their best interests and protect their rights.
If not the means, then the ability.  Seems strange that many were able to find no one to defend them but that one guy. 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on August 25, 2021, 07:28:20 PM
The cop who shot Ashli is doing an interview with Lester Holt tomorrow night.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/25/officer-who-shot-and-killed-ashli-babbitt-to-reveal-his-identity-in-interview-with-lester-holt/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Boomhauer on August 25, 2021, 09:03:41 PM
The cop who shot Ashli is doing an interview with Lester Holt tomorrow night.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/25/officer-who-shot-and-killed-ashli-babbitt-to-reveal-his-identity-in-interview-with-lester-holt/
The cop who shot Ashli is doing an interview with Lester Holt tomorrow night.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/25/officer-who-shot-and-killed-ashli-babbitt-to-reveal-his-identity-in-interview-with-lester-holt/

It’s funny how this Hero of the Soviet Union who actually did shoot an unarmed, innocent woman doesn’t have to worry about his house getting mobbed, jail time, career ruination, and losing everything.

I’m sure he will be all tearful about the terrible situation the insurrection was just like the other Capitol police officers were and how much PTSD they have from a spicy walking tour.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on August 26, 2021, 09:35:40 PM
While there are bigger things in the news today, he gave his interview. He said he saved countless lives.

An interesting side note is that he claimed he heard reports over the radio about stuff like a cop's fingers being blown off. Not to excuse him, but I wonder how much stuff was exaggerated over the police frequencies that maybe gave him the itchy trigger finger?


https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/26/officer-who-shot-and-killed-ashli-babbitt-tells-lester-holt-he-saved-countless-lives/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Jim147 on August 26, 2021, 09:59:06 PM
I would feel like a hero too if I shot an unarmed person in an indefensible position.

I'm not excusing her actions but they could have yanked her out of the window and cuffed her.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: sumpnz on August 26, 2021, 10:25:00 PM
I would feel like a hero too if I shot an unarmed person in an indefensible position.

I'm not excusing her actions but they could have yanked her out of the window and cuffed her.

Who?  The cops in full battle rattle right behind her?  How could they possibly have assessed how much a threat she really was? 

/s
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on August 26, 2021, 10:35:28 PM
I still find it both fascinating and disturbing that they, dems & MSM, still run with narrative that if a bunch of yahoos had taken over the capital building, a building!, that would somehow cause the downfall of the government.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Bogie on August 26, 2021, 10:38:38 PM
I figure it's now okay if I shoot some sumbitch with a molotov... I'll save countless lives...
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Boomhauer on August 27, 2021, 04:56:52 AM
I figure it's now okay if I shoot some sumbitch with a molotov... I'll save countless lives...


But then you would be depriving urban youts (who were just starting to turn their lives around) of their lives and their right to peacefully speak out as rioting, arson, looting, and murder are the only voices they have.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on August 27, 2021, 06:36:05 AM
The country is so far gone that they can go on TV and spout incoherent, illogical nonsense and nobody calls them on their BS.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on August 27, 2021, 07:37:37 AM
Additionally, I read this:

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"At that point is when I realized they’re here. The chants got louder. I couldn’t make out what they were saying, but it sounded like hundreds of people outside of that door," he said. 

Footage later depicted Byrd firing his weapon at Babbitt after she broke through a glass window. Byrd stated that he repeatedly yelled orders to step back that went ignored by the crowds. He further emphasized that the shot was a "last resort."

So what I read is that it was too loud for him to hear things, but he assumed his shouted orders would be heard. Also I see he had to say "racism".

And I still would like to hear something from the geared up cops on the other side of the glass that all seemed pretty calm, not even pointing their weapons at people or worrying much about being overrun.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/officer-ashli-babbitt-nbc-news-interview
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: TechMan on August 27, 2021, 08:52:36 AM
Have you seen the people that the kangaroo commission has subpoenaed?
 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on August 27, 2021, 09:32:00 AM
Additionally, I read this:

So what I read is that it was too loud for him to hear things, but he assumed his shouted orders would be heard. Also I see he had to say "racism".

And I still would like to hear something from the geared up cops on the other side of the glass that all seemed pretty calm, not even pointing their weapons at people or worrying much about being overrun.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/officer-ashli-babbitt-nbc-news-interview
How was it a "last resort"?  She hadn't even made it through the door. 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: DittoHead on August 27, 2021, 11:24:09 AM
So what I read is that it was too loud for him to hear things, but he assumed his shouted orders would be heard.

I can't imagine what difference it would have made if his orders were heard.
The police lines outside didn't stop them, the pepper spray & flashbangs didn't stop them, the locked & barricaded doors didn't stop them.
Someone simply telling them to stop was clearly not going to stop them at that point.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on August 27, 2021, 11:28:58 AM
You left out the guy holding the door open for them didn't stop them
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: dogmush on August 27, 2021, 11:35:52 AM
I can't imagine what difference it would have made if his orders were heard.
The police lines outside didn't stop them, the pepper spray & flashbangs didn't stop them, the locked & barricaded doors didn't stop them.
Someone simply telling them to stop was clearly not going to stop them at that point.

Hard to say.  There are orders and there are orders. Sometimes extra punctuation helps.

https://youtu.be/sd2TrIQzp5g?t=32
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Phyphor on August 27, 2021, 01:04:31 PM
This situation exposes the hypocrisy of the left quite well.  When some black dude with a gun gets shot by the cops, he's a total innocent kid just turning his life around.  An unarmed white woman gets shot by a black cop, give him a medal, he's a hero!

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on August 27, 2021, 02:23:07 PM
I can't imagine what difference it would have made if his orders were heard.
The police lines outside didn't stop them, the pepper spray & flashbangs didn't stop them, the locked & barricaded doors didn't stop them.
Someone simply telling them to stop was clearly not going to stop them at that point.

My issue is that the cops behind her, who were specifically geared up for response, unlike the shooter, didn't seem to find a need to react in that fashion, and they were completely surrounded. He shot her while she was still standing in the window frame.

This is why I would really like to hear what that tac team has to say about things. Maybe it will be something that favors the shooter and his response, but their actions in the various videos seem to counter his response.

Also, perhaps if she had clearly heard him say he was going to shoot her, she would have stepped back off the window frame. Though to me, a justified shooting wouldn't have occurred until someone completely breached the window frame and was approaching him on his side. He had the Thermopylae advantage. 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: dogmush on August 27, 2021, 03:12:57 PM

Also, perhaps if she had clearly heard him say he was going to shoot her, she would have stepped back off the window frame. Though to me, a justified shooting wouldn't have occurred until someone completely breached the window frame and was approaching him on his side. He had the Thermopylae advantage.

Perhaps not the best analogy for an argument that he wasn't in danger and shouldn't have attacked...
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: DittoHead on August 27, 2021, 03:40:09 PM
perhaps if she had clearly heard him say he was going to shoot her, she would have stepped back off the window frame.
~10 seconds before she goes through the window the officer's gun is visible & ready and there is even a guy on Ashli's side of the doors yelling "gun!".
The signals were there, she just wasn't listening.
(https://i.imgur.com/xrAZMhC.png)
Though to me, a justified shooting wouldn't have occurred until someone completely breached the window frame and was approaching him on his side.
Would you honestly wait until they've broken all the way through the barricade and are coming at you?
If it was my office, I certainly wouldn't wait that long. (Thank goodness for castle doctrine)
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on August 27, 2021, 04:30:17 PM
~10 seconds before she goes through the window the officer's gun is visible & ready and there is even a guy on Ashli's side of the doors yelling "gun!".
The signals were there, she just wasn't listening.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/xrAZMhC.png[Would you honestly wait until they've broken all the way through the barricade and are coming at you?
If it was my office, I certainly wouldn't wait that long. (Thank goodness for castle doctrine)

If the cop is claiming it was too loud for him to hear on his side of the window, why should she be able to hear? And again, there were a bunch of cops right there on her side of the window.

Depending on where you live, castle doctrine might not be your get out of jail free card if you shoot an unarmed woman, who had both hands visible.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on August 27, 2021, 05:08:26 PM
I suppose this can be considered related

Woke Army Sergeant Has No Qualms About Shooting Her Fellow Americans
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/woke-army-sergeant-has-no-qualms-about-shooting-her-fellow-americans-if-ordered-to/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on August 27, 2021, 05:26:41 PM
I suppose this can be considered related

Woke Army Sergeant Has No Qualms About Shooting Her Fellow Americans
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/woke-army-sergeant-has-no-qualms-about-shooting-her-fellow-americans-if-ordered-to/

Seems like that should be problematic for her, doing it in uniform and all. I might give her some benefit of the doubt as it looks like the video was clipped. If that's the entire video and it's in context though, I don't like her.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: DittoHead on August 27, 2021, 06:05:59 PM
If the cop is claiming it was too loud for him to hear on his side of the window, why should she be able to hear? And again, there were a bunch of cops right there on her side of the window.
Why would she need to hear anything to know she shouldn't be doing that? There was no one holding that last door open for them - they smashed out the glass and she started to climb through. Other people may have a valid defense of simply coming in later through an open door and staying within the ropes, but not her. Stupid games = stupid prizes.

Depending on where you live, castle doctrine might not be your get out of jail free card if you shoot an unarmed woman, who had both hands visible.
An unarmed woman at the front of a mob who just hopped the fence, entered a locked building, smashed the glass out of my office door and was crawling through to where I am hiding as a last resort? I think a decent lawyer could work with that.

You never answered how long would you wait to shoot, really not until they're all the way past the last barricade?

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on August 27, 2021, 06:27:47 PM
You never answered how long would you wait to shoot, really not until they're all the way past the last barricade?

They? You mean her. Yes, when she was through the opening, maybe, if she was a threat. She's pretty small though. I might have expected one of the tac guys standing 10' behind her to stop her.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on August 27, 2021, 06:56:37 PM
But if she made it through the door she might have crowned herself queen and ended our constitutional republic!
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: sumpnz on August 27, 2021, 07:06:58 PM
It’s one thing for a regular person to shoot someone trying to break into their home.  It’s another for a cop to do the same thing.  They’re trained on how to take down hostile individuals and to use a continuum of force.  I get an automatic assumption that it’s reasonable to assume ready intent on the part of a home invader.  A cop does not get that automatic assumption in the line of duty. 

Me Babbitt was out of control, and deserved to cool her jets in jail for a good long time.  Given how many cops were on HER side of the glass, if she was worthy of shooting why didn’t any of them even try to get into a good position to do so? 

The capitol police goon murdered that woman.  Had she been armed, made it through the window, especially with others, etc that’s different.  He should go down, at least as hard as Chauvin.  But because his victim was a Trumper, and white, he won’t.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Bogie on August 27, 2021, 09:18:25 PM
Untrained bureaucrat. I bet he was appointed to that position.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on September 03, 2021, 08:17:00 AM
Back to prison for accessing the Internet:

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An Iowa man accused of participating in the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 was jailed again after getting caught using the internet.

There was “clear and convincing evidence” that Douglas Jensen accessed the internet on a cell phone on Aug. 13 and watched video of a cyber symposium related to the 2020 presidential election on a phone days before that, U.S. District Judge Timothy Kelly wrote in a Sept. 2 order.

Kelly in July let Jensen go free from jail, pending trial, but with certain conditions. Because accessing the internet violated one of those conditions, Jensen is headed back to prison.

According to prosecutors, Jensen was found by an officer alone, in his garage, using an iPhone to stream news from Rumble, a video platform, 30 days after his release.



From the photo of him talking to cops, he sure looks like a violent offender to me.  ;/

Have any antifa people been sent to jail for watching internet videos of the squad? Just curious.

More at:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/accused-capitol-breacher-ordered-back-to-jail-after-getting-caught-using-the-internet_3979883.html
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Boomhauer on September 03, 2021, 09:11:34 AM
Back to prison for accessing the Internet:


From the photo of him talking to cops, he sure looks like a violent offender to me.  ;/

Have any antifa people been sent to jail for watching internet videos of the squad? Just curious.

More at:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/accused-capitol-breacher-ordered-back-to-jail-after-getting-caught-using-the-internet_3979883.html

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Jensen’s lawyer told the court in a motion for his release that the man had been “a victim of numerous conspiracy theories that were being fed to him over the internet by a number of very clever people” and that he had not intended to, nor did he, commit violence on Jan. 6.

Jensen did become caught up in the QAnon movement, which revolves around a number of theories, but recognized while sitting in a jail cell in Washington that “he bought into a pack of lies,” according to the motion. Jensen had a “wakeup call” in jail and was prepared to comply with conditions set by the court to go home, be with his family, and work, the lawyer added

Well gee that doesn’t sound like being held as a political prisoner at all
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 03, 2021, 06:59:15 PM
Well gee that doesn’t sound like being held as a political prisoner at all

That is exactly what it is.  Made to recant his politics in order to be released from imprisonment
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on September 22, 2021, 09:25:00 PM
A judge has ordered the feds to release footage of the "riots" that they were holding back with the claim that it would compromise Capitol security.

I can see why they were concerned. You wouldn't want these wild animals rampaging through your building. They all need to be locked up for 50 years:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1440776133675388931

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/09/22/judge-orders-federal-prosecutors-to-release-new-collection-of-capitol-surveillance-videos-from-january-6/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on September 24, 2021, 08:38:26 AM
Another recently released video:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1441195580735164418

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/09/23/tucker-carlson-has-questions-the-dems-1-6-committee-might-not-care-to-find-answers-for-based-on-newly-released-video/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 27, 2021, 11:08:52 AM
FBI had at least one informant among the Jan. 6 protesters:

https://conservativebrief.com/jan-6-51811/?utm_source=CB&utm_medium=DJD

Gosh, good thing I was sitting down when I read that.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 27, 2021, 11:23:43 AM
FBI had at least one informant among the Jan. 6 protesters:

https://conservativebrief.com/jan-6-51811/?utm_source=CB&utm_medium=DJD

Gosh, good thing I was sitting down when I read that.

Well, a couple of hundred qualifies as "at least one."
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: TechMan on September 27, 2021, 11:25:48 AM
FBI had at least one informant among the Jan. 6 protesters:

https://conservativebrief.com/jan-6-51811/?utm_source=CB&utm_medium=DJD

Gosh, good thing I was sitting down when I read that.


Thanks for the warning.  This is my shocked face ->
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on September 27, 2021, 08:33:57 PM
It’s one thing for a regular person to shoot someone trying to break into their home.  It’s another for a cop to do the same thing.  They’re trained on how to take down hostile individuals and to use a continuum of force.  I get an automatic assumption that it’s reasonable to assume ready intent on the part of a home invader.  A cop does not get that automatic assumption in the line of duty. 

Me Babbitt was out of control, and deserved to cool her jets in jail for a good long time.  Given how many cops were on HER side of the glass, if she was worthy of shooting why didn’t any of them even try to get into a good position to do so? 

The capitol police goon murdered that woman.  Had she been armed, made it through the window, especially with others, etc that’s different.  He should go down, at least as hard as Chauvin.  But because his victim was a Trumper, and white, he won’t.
Most every case I have head of where someone fired through a door (civilians), the person on the other side was making credible threats of bodily harm or death.  Could this cop hear something like that from her?   Was he alone and likely to be overpowered like a lot of those civilian cases?  More than likely "no". 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on September 30, 2021, 11:32:20 AM
Nothing bias about the wording at all

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A House committee investigating the violent Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection has subpoenaed 11 officials who helped plan rallies in support of former President Donald Trump ahead of the attack, including the massive event on the day of the siege at which the president told his supporters to “fight like hell.”
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The subpoenas also mention other events the group planned in the weeks between Trump’s November election defeat and the January attack
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The House committee of nine lawmakers — seven Democrats and two Republicans — has ramped up its investigation in recent weeks as it attempts to dissect the origins of the insurrection by Trump’s supporters and find ways to prevent it from ever happening again. The Trump loyalists beat and injured police as they battled their way inside the building, destroyed property and sent lawmakers running for their lives. Repeating Trump’s lies about widespread election fraud, they interrupted the certification of President Joe Biden’s victory and left those in the U.S. Capitol deeply shaken.

AP = DNC

House panel subpoenas organizers of Jan. 6 Trump rally
https://www.wave3.com/2021/09/29/house-panel-subpoenas-organizers-jan-6-trump-rally/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on October 01, 2021, 09:13:34 PM
Federal judge states the obvious.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/01/politics/capitol-riot-mcfadden/index.html

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(CNN)A federal judge said Friday that he believes the Justice Department hasn't been "even-handed" with President Donald Trump supporters who stormed the US Capitol on January 6, suggesting that they've been treated more harshly than the rioters in last year's racial unrest.

"The US Attorney's Office would have more credibility if it was even-handed in its concern about riots and mobs in the city," District Judge Trevor McFadden said at a sentencing hearing for one of the Capitol rioters, citing year-old complaints from DC Mayor Muriel Bowser that the Justice Department was reluctant to charge rioters in the city after George Floyd's murder.

Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on October 13, 2021, 05:51:32 PM
Furthering what Angel Eyes posted above:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/federal-judge-demands-doj-civil-rights-probe-jan-6-detainees-dc-jail

I don't know that anything will come of it, but it at least gives me hope that someone is doing at least a little something over what are blatantly unconstitutional actions by the DC Dept of Corrections. Though they really need to be investigating the Federal prosecutors as well.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on October 13, 2021, 07:21:57 PM
Some more info coming out on the Ashli Babbitt shooting. A couple of other cops testified that they saw no weapons in her hands and also that they heard no verbal commands directed at her before she was shot.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/documents-ashli-babbitt-death-foia-capitol-police
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Andiron on October 13, 2021, 08:33:13 PM
Some more info coming out on the Ashli Babbitt shooting. A couple of other cops testified that they saw no weapons in her hands and also that they heard no verbal commands directed at her before she was shot.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/documents-ashli-babbitt-death-foia-capitol-police

No no no,  the ahole that shot her was clearly saving lives.  He's said as much.  And he's black, so don't even think about criticizing his heroic defense of that office.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on October 13, 2021, 08:56:43 PM
First I post about investigations into unconstitutional treatment of accused persons, now I have to post about a judge that is passing sentences more severe than prosecutors asked for:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/10/13/people-cheer-on-federal-judge-sentencing-january-6-defendants-to-more-time-than-prosecutors-sought/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: sumpnz on October 13, 2021, 09:36:24 PM
First I post about investigations into unconstitutional treatment of accused persons, now I have to post about a judge that is passing sentences more severe than prosecutors asked for:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/10/13/people-cheer-on-federal-judge-sentencing-january-6-defendants-to-more-time-than-prosecutors-sought/

Assuming we can ever get a Republican POTUS again, (s)he better issue a blanket pardon to all non-violent protesters convicted over Jan 6.

I’m fine letting buffalo horn dude, and the people breaking glass or stealing stuff retain their convictions.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on October 19, 2021, 04:34:36 PM
Nikki Fried, who is running for governor in FL is revoking CCW licenses of 06JAN participants, who she calls "traitors". No mention is made on if these people were arrested, convicted, convicted of a misdemeanor or felony, or were just identified.

I don't know the details on FL CCW, but "guilty until proven innocent", using the kind of language she is using to describe them, might not work out for her. Either legally in her present position or in getting votes in the election.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/10/19/terrifying-nikki-fried-bragging-about-denying-rights-of-floridians-she-deems-domestic-terrorists-and-traitors-backfires-in-a-big-way/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on October 19, 2021, 06:18:57 PM
Assuming we can ever get a Republican POTUS again, (s)he better issue a blanket pardon to all non-violent protesters convicted over Jan 6.

I’m fine letting buffalo horn dude, and the people breaking glass or stealing stuff retain their convictions.
I might agree with the second, but commuting the sentences would be appropriate at the least.  Nothing happened that day (done by protestors) that was worse than all the Antifa people who have been released with no charges all over the country.  I generally believe the lack of prosecution of some people should be a defense to prosecution of others. 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: dogmush on October 19, 2021, 06:47:34 PM
Nikki Fried, who is running for governor in FL is revoking CCW licenses of 06JAN participants, who she calls "traitors". No mention is made on if these people were arrested, convicted, convicted of a misdemeanor or felony, or were just identified.

I don't know the details on FL CCW, but "guilty until proven innocent", using the kind of language she is using to describe them, might not work out for her. Either legally in her present position or in getting votes in the election.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/10/19/terrifying-nikki-fried-bragging-about-denying-rights-of-floridians-she-deems-domestic-terrorists-and-traitors-backfires-in-a-big-way/

I feel we discussed this earlier in the thread.  She is suspending CCW's of people that have been charged with a felony, something that is specifically required under FL law. If they are acquitted she has to restore the permits.

Either way this is not her discretion, or something she can take credit for.  Section 790 uses the word "shall" in describing both the suspension and theoretical reinstatement.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on October 19, 2021, 06:53:41 PM
I feel we discussed this earlier in the thread.  She is suspending CCW's of people that have been charged with a felony, something that is specifically required under FL law. If they are acquitted she has to restore the permits.

Either way this is not her discretion, or something she can take credit for.  Section 790 uses the word "shall" in describing both the suspension and theoretical reinstatement.

That's fine if that's the law, but given her position, she might not want to be throwing around "traitor" and other such labels for someone that might be proven innocent. It could come back to bite the FL taxpayers.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Jim147 on October 19, 2021, 10:31:56 PM
She still has to win to say crap about anything.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: dogmush on October 20, 2021, 08:34:34 AM
She still has to win to say crap about anything.

She is the current FL Agriculture Commissioner.  Her department oversees all FL CCWs.

That's fine if that's the law, but given her position, she might not want to be throwing around "traitor" and other such labels for someone that might be proven innocent. It could come back to bite the FL taxpayers.

True dat.  When she was running for Ag Commissioner she was a lot more middle of the road and not prone to hyperbolic outbursts.  She was clearly not a Trump fan, but not stupid crazy either.  The COVID craziness and her [apparent] burning hatred for DeSantis and the FL Dems pushing her as a candidate for higher office have caused some pretty dumb things to be uttered.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Angel Eyes on October 20, 2021, 02:11:27 PM
U.S. Marshals investigating whether those arrested for the Jan. 6 protests are being mistreated:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/10/20/us-marshals-were-looking-to-see-if-the-january-6-defendants-are-being-deliberat-n2597629


Mistreated?  Gee, ya think?
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ron on October 25, 2021, 12:39:31 PM
The day the FBI created an "insurrection".

https://www.revolver.news/2021/10/meet-ray-epps-the-fed-protected-provocateur-who-appears-to-have-led-the-very-first-1-6-attack-on-the-u-s-capitol/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: Ben on October 25, 2021, 01:16:14 PM
The day the FBI created an "insurrection".

https://www.revolver.news/2021/10/meet-ray-epps-the-fed-protected-provocateur-who-appears-to-have-led-the-very-first-1-6-attack-on-the-u-s-capitol/

I was reading about him elsewhere, but this article is very eye-opening. Entire families have been arrested and locked up for just standing around, and this guy is off the hook via FBI redactions. Don't tell me that's not fishy.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: WLJ on October 25, 2021, 05:00:16 PM
Now it's almost 10 dead  :facepalm: ;/

‘WTF does that mean?’ AOC reminds us that January 6 riots at the Capitol left ‘almost 10 dead,’ and people have questions
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/10/25/wtf-does-that-mean-aoc-reminds-us-that-january-6-riots-at-the-capitol-left-almost-10-dead-and-people-have-questions/

Bet it will be almost 20 by next week  ;/
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: just Warren on October 25, 2021, 05:09:32 PM
Certainly a number of people who were there have since died, and just like with Covid you can claim that their death is connected to 6Jan in some way.

That would be a much larger number. She should go with that if she's going to round up.
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: MechAg94 on October 25, 2021, 07:13:25 PM
Eventually, all of them will be dead.  Huge conspiracy. 
Title: Re: It's getting sporty in Washington...
Post by: bedlamite on October 27, 2021, 07:37:18 PM
The re-education has been successful.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/jailed-jan-6-defendant-released-after-denouncing-trump-now-says-us-must-build-back-better/