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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Viking on February 13, 2021, 01:56:49 AM
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https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2021/02/cz-acquires-colt-220-million/
Thoughts? Do you think CZ will reintroduce any classic Colt models? Anything on your wishlist?
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Not any more. I've divested myself of a lot of guns --I just don'f shoot that much anymore. I wonder if they'll change the logo to a "Grazing Colt" now.
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This could only be an upside for Colt.
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This could only be an upside for Colt.
Colt is dead. They are just a brand now. Or model in a catalog. There are many more modern, capable, and flat-out better manufacturers now.
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I could see certain iconic models continuing production in the Colt line such as the Peacemaker, some variant of 1911, and the Python (for those who simply must have a gen-yoo-wine prancing pony on their gun). I doubt anything truly new or innovative will be marketed under the Colt name.
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The iconic brand couldn't withstand the combination of union labor and abysmal management.
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If Biden gets an AWB passed in a form the Dems want, I could see CZ opening the old Colt catalogs and bringing back some of the classic revolvers, like the Detective Special and its like. Revolvers seen politically safe (for now), and a good small six-shot wheel gun would sell well.
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They would need to price it high or they would scream Saturday night special.
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Colt is dead. They are just a brand now. Or model in a catalog. There are many more modern, capable, and flat-out better manufacturers now.
Like CZ.
This is sort of like Winchester being bought by FN years back.
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I've always liked the look of the Vietnam-era M16. I heard Colt was making a civilian replica (the "M16A1 Retro Reissue") so I went to Colt's website. MSRP: $2,500.00 :O :O Thank you, no. Now I'm hoping to get one of the Brownells BRN-16A1s. I can buy 2 and about six extra P-mags for Colt's price.
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A Colt 1911 (original design) or 1911A1 would be interesting. The quality needs to be there without costing $2000.
A Colt M16A1 clone and / or Single Action Army would be nice as well.
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They also need to look forward. Colt shouldn't be solely based on nostalgia.
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Like CZ.
CZ dead? Not even close.
They are making new designs that people actually want. They have a variety of metal and polymer pistols that actually work and that accept red dots. They are making the very popular Skorpion pistol and carbine. Plus they make rifles, shotguns, and silencers.
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CZ dead? Not even close.
They are making new designs that people actually want. They have a variety of metal and polymer pistols that actually work and that accept red dots. They are making the very popular Skorpion pistol and carbine. Plus they make rifles, shotguns, and silencers.
Yeah, I was like what? CZ sells a wide variety of high quality highly respected guns that usually sell as fast as they're made and is healthy. Colt has lived on name alone and has been on death watch for decades.
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CZ dead? Not even close.
I think that comment was referring to the "modern, capable, and flat-out better manufacturers" part, not the "being dead" part (or at least I would hope so).
CZ is excellent and I've never been disappointed by any of their products. My only complaint is lack of availability for some of them.
Colt on the other hand... [barf]
I have a Colt Pocket Hammerless that's pretty slick but I've heard things have gone downhill significantly since 1916 :old:
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I have a Colt Pocket Hammerless that's pretty slick but I've heard things have gone downhill significantly since 1916 :old:
IIRC they actually came of WW-II in the red. Now that's mismanagement.
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I understood CZ was planning to set up some manufacturing in Arkansas. At least they acquired land there and talk was the would make the Scorpion and polymer pistols here. Maybe the Bren rifles also. Now that they have Colt, they could manufacture their own guns at the Colt plant or move all the Colt machinery down to Arkansas. It will be interesting to see what happens.
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I understood CZ was planning to set up some manufacturing in Arkansas. At least they acquired land there and talk was the would make the Scorpion and polymer pistols here. Maybe the Bren rifles also. Now that they have Colt, they could manufacture their own guns at the Colt plant or move all the Colt machinery down to Arkansas. It will be interesting to see what happens.
If what I'm hearing is true there isn't much in the way of machinery left and what is left is worn out. Colt is really not much more than an assembler of parts now.
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Manufacturing guns in Connecticut is a bad idea in today's political climate. CT is nearly as anti-gun as MA, NY, IL, CA,... etc. The list gets longer every year. The only gun friendly state in New England is NH and we lose a bit of that friendliness every year.
A smart company would be setting up shop in a gun friendly state that has low taxes and a low cost of living.
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A smart company would be setting up shop in a gun friendly state that has low taxes and a low cost of living.
This.
I understand that it is very costly to move manufacturing facilities, but it seems like even those gun manufacturers currently established in the commie states would in the long run be much better off eating the relocation costs now, and getting out while the getting is good.
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If what I'm hearing is true there isn't much in the way of machinery left and what is left is worn out. Colt is really not much more than an assembler of parts now.
If that is the case, that makes the decision easy.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p3dh2tri9M
This is a clip from Gun Talk Radio from Sunday. Tom interviewed one of the head guys at Colt.
Main take away I got: 1) CZ may be looking at using the extra manufacturing space at Colt and 2) Colt may be coming out with an Anaconda revolver soon.
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Colt-CZ buys S&B ammo
Colt CZ Group SE (“Colt CZ”, the “Group” or the “Company”) hereby announces that on December 18, 2023, it executed an agreement with CBC Europe S.à r.l. (“CBC”) to purchase 100% interest in Sellier & Bellot a.s. (“Sellier & Bellot”).
Colt CZ shall acquire 100% of shares of Sellier & Bellot for the combination of the cash consideration in the amount of $350 million and a new issue of Colt CZ common stock leading to a 27–28% CBC’s stake in the share capital of Colt CZ Group post transaction. The final number of CBC shareholding in Colt CZ Group will be determined depending on the audited financial results of both companies for the year 2023. The acquisition will be financed through a combination of the Company's existing cash resources and debt financing. The transaction is subject to regulatory approval in various countries and is expected to close in the first half of 2024.
Colt CZ Group SE acquires traditional Czech manufacturer of small caliber ammunition Sellier & Bellot
https://www.coltczgroup.com/en/media-press-releases/colt-cz-group-se-acquires-traditional-czech-manufacturer-of-small-caliber-ammunition-sellier-bellot
Guns & Gadgets video
Another Major Ammunition Manufacturer SOLD!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sLfdHbqTfY
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Colt-CZ buys S&B ammo
Colt CZ Group SE acquires traditional Czech manufacturer of small caliber ammunition Sellier & Bellot
https://www.coltczgroup.com/en/media-press-releases/colt-cz-group-se-acquires-traditional-czech-manufacturer-of-small-caliber-ammunition-sellier-bellot
Guns & Gadgets video
Another Major Ammunition Manufacturer SOLD!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sLfdHbqTfY
Will this be good or bad? A lot of my ammo is S&B, and I've been happy with it.
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Will this be good or bad? A lot of my ammo is S&B, and I've been happy with it.
Probably neither good or bad. S&B was already Czech and I doubt CZ would change much if anything
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I opened this thread fully expecting to see "CZ COLLAPSES INTO INSOLVENCY DUE TO THE FINANCIAL DISASTER THAT IS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE, COLT"
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I'm still upset CZ halted produced of the CZ-527s.
Got a 527 223 carbine and was looking to get one in 7.62x39 as well but since CZ stop production prices for 527s have gone stupid.
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Will this be good or bad? A lot of my ammo is S&B, and I've been happy with it.
S&B is good ammo. At the least, this is one brand that won't be owned by Vista Outdoors.
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S&B is good ammo. At the least, this is one brand that won't be owned by Vista Outdoors.
*Cough*
Czech gunmaker Colt CZ makes offer for Vista Outdoor
https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/czech-gunmaker-colt-cz-makes-offer-vista-outdoor-2023-11-23/
Was rejected though
That was in Nov
This is from Dec 19
Colt CZ Group, a Czech firearms manufacturer, presents a proposal to acquire Vista Outdoor
https://www.czechtradeoffices.com/en/us/news/colt-cz-group,-a-czech-firearms-manufacturer,-presents-a-proposal-to-acquire-vista-outdoor
In response to the proposal, Vista released a statement indicating that it has not made a decision regarding the offer. Colt CZ's bid includes the intention to keep the company intact, opposing Vista's previously announced $1.91 billion deal to sell its sporting products business to privately held Czechoslovak Group (CSG) in October.
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This.
I understand that it is very costly to move manufacturing facilities, but it seems like even those gun manufacturers currently established in the commie states would in the long run be much better off eating the relocation costs now, and getting out while the getting is good.
This is the modern industrial conundrum. Although you are right that the traditional manufacturing centers are increasingly business unfriendly, especially with guns, the fact is that the other alternatives have still largely failed to generate equivalent industrial city economies. Even a flagging, failing industrial city is nevertheless an industrial city and doesn't swap with undeveloped areas. So while Rochester is a dump, it's not exactly like there's another Rochester that is a cheaper or in more politically favorable state. This has been noted since the civil war and still largely true. Only industries that are basically self-contained or new enough not to draw advantages from the classic industrial centers (semiconductors comes to mind, maybe pharma) are succeeding in fleeing them.
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I'm still upset CZ halted produced of the CZ-527s.
Got a 527 223 carbine and was looking to get one in 7.62x39 as well but since CZ stop production prices for 527s have gone stupid.
Same here. CZ did us wrong with that shitty looking new rifle.
If you want a 7.62x39 bolt look at the Ruger American Ranch. Feeds from mini-30 magazines.
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Same here. CZ did us wrong with that shitty looking new rifle.
If you want a 7.62x39 bolt look at the Ruger American Ranch. Feeds from mini-30 magazines.
Saw the new model and thought to myself "you got to be kidding!"
I greatly prefer the classic simple looks of the 527
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"Same here. CZ did us wrong with that shitty looking new rifle. "
What, the 600?
Yeah, it's kind of odd looking, but strikes me as very... European.
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"Same here. CZ did us wrong with that shitty looking new rifle. "
What, the 600?
Yeah, it's kind of odd looking, but strikes me as very... European.
Ugly as sin compared to the beautiful commercial Mauser actions that they had before in the 527 and 550 series.
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I never found the 527 to be particularly good looking.
It looked, and still looks, blocky and chunky to me. I also don't particularly care for how they handled. The feel and weight distribution were all off for me.
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I never found the 527 to be particularly good looking.
It looked, and still looks, blocky and chunky to me. I also don't particularly care for how they handled. The feel and weight distribution were all off for me.
Blocky?
(https://www.ableammo.com/catalog/images/ssi-2016/94976.jpg)
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Did I stutter?
Yes. BLOCKY.
Blocky magazine.
Blocky front sight ramp and hood.
Blocky forearm.
Chunky forearm.
Chunky wrist.
It weighed more than it should have for a smallbore varmint class rifle.
I will give it props for the action. It was very nice and smooth.