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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on February 13, 2021, 09:04:57 AM
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Now that Biden is finished with the anti-Trump EOs, he (or his puppet masters) is ready to move on gun control.
“During the campaign, President Biden laid out an ambitious plan to make our community safer. And that’s why in part, yesterday, senior members of his team … hosted a virtual discussion with leaders of gun violence prevention groups to discuss our shared goals,” said Psaki.
“We look forward to working with gun violence survivors and advocates and sharing more in the weeks and months ahead about our efforts to make our communities safer,” she added.
The main part of Biden’s gun control agenda includes banning the manufacture and sale of “assault weapons” and high-capacity magazines, regulating possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act, buying back these weapons and high-capacity magazines from citizens, requiring background checks for all gun sales, ending the online sale of firearms and ammunition, and providing more funds to enforce these laws.
The gun control groups who were in attendance at Wednesday’s meeting shared their optimism about getting gun control laws in place that had previously been blocked by the GOP majority in the Senate.
“This meeting provided more evidence that the Biden Administration is committed to being the strongest we’ve ever seen on gun safety,” said John Feinblatt, president of Everytown for Gun Safety, said in a joint press release.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/white-house-reassures-gun-control-groups-it-will-fulfill-ambitious-gun-control-agenda_3695005.html
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I've noticed that the phrase "gun safety" has been adopted by all of the Dems. Makes it sound better, but it's still a pile of crap.
Maybe time to spend the money I was saving for a rifle project on magazines, hoping for a grandfather clause in the new AWB that will be shoved up our a$$.
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I don't think he's going to get everything he wants on that ''to-do" list. Trying to put all semi autos on the NFA is going to be a logistic nightmare. I think he might get a assault weapon ban but if he tries to take any away the courts will not allow it.
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I don't think he's going to get everything he wants on that ''to-do" list. Trying to put all semi autos on the NFA is going to be a logistic nightmare. I think he might get a assault weapon ban but if he tries to take any away the courts will not allow it.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Which courts are you referring to?
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Didn't he sign the senate report on the right to keep and bear arms sometime in the 1980's? I will see if I can find a copy; I know I downloaded it but that was 4 or 5 computers ago, and it has probably been memory-holed online by now (I'm not yet willing to go in person the National Archives to find a hard copy)
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Didn't he sign the senate report on the right to keep and bear arms sometime in the 1980's? I will see if I can find a copy; I know I downloaded it but that was 4 or 5 computers ago, and it has probably been memory-holed online by now (I'm not yet willing to go in person the National Archives to find a hard copy)
Here ya go: https://ryoc.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/1982-Congressional-Report-on-the-Right-to-Keep-and-Bear-Arms.pdf
Don't know if Biden signed it, but he was a member of the Judiciary Committee, which produced it.
I suggest that everyone should download it. I had it bookmarked on another site, from which it has disappeared. Both this report and the 2004 DOJ report keep disappearing, and I don't think that's an accident.
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Which courts are you referring to?
The Supreme Court. With the Trump justices it seems pretty well positioned to defend the second amendment. I also don't think every democrat will support what Biden wants.
I could be wrong, but if I am, then may God Almighty help this country, because it isn't going to end like President "Ponysoldier" Biden seems to believe it will.
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On Parkland anniversary, Biden calls for tougher gun laws
https://www.wave3.com/2021/02/14/parkland-anniversary-biden-calls-tougher-gun-laws/
The president used the occasion to call on Congress to strengthen gun laws, including requiring background checks on all gun sales and banning assault weapons.
There was no time to wait, the president said. “We owe it to all those we’ve lost and to all those left behind to grieve to make a change. The time to act is now.”
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I believe they will hold off on the really egregious stuff until they get the SCOTUS packed the way they want. No sense in passing a bunch of unconstitutional laws if there is a 50-50 or better chance the court will overturn them.
But unconstitutional laws are coming once the court is packed. The Dems are absolutely determined to make their gun control wet dreams come true.
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I honestly believe that nothing will push this Balkanized country into killing each other faster than trying to collect "assault weapons". I think, based on what of seen of other strongly tribal countries, that from where we are now this only ends in bloodshed anyway, but that will hasten it like nothing else.
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Yep going to be hard to get away with much until they pack the court. Missouri will push back and so will other states.
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On Parkland anniversary, Biden calls for tougher gun laws
https://www.wave3.com/2021/02/14/parkland-anniversary-biden-calls-tougher-gun-laws/
Thr Epoch Times mentioned a couple of other things as well:
Today, I am calling on Congress to enact commonsense gun law reforms, including requiring background checks on all gun sales, banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, and eliminating immunity for gun manufacturers who knowingly put weapons of war on our streets.”
https://www.theepochtimes.com/biden-calls-on-congress-to-restrict-gun-ownership_3696206.html?utm_source=news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-02-14-2
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Going to be fun. The ar platform defines common use.
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The problem comes when the gun owners simply refuse to obey an illegitimate government and abrogation of their God given and constitutionally guaranteed rights, and resist. At first, most will duck and stay quiet- that will last for a little while, until enforcement starts and a few people get killed. That is when the dirty war starts. When it does, the target list will go exponential.
Some of you guys know first hand what this looks like- neighbor against neighbor, cop against cops, neighbor against cop, cop against boss cop, sister against brother, and on and on and on. I am fortunate, all my knowledge is from books.
They must know this. Seriously, they must. And it will destroy the country as a governable entity. So why?
The only answer I can come up with is they think an intact functional USA is an impediment to world rule.
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Gotta have some kind of crisis to justify bringing in UN troops.
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Gotta have some kind of crisis to justify bringing in UN troops.
Don’t threaten us with a good time
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Don’t threaten us with a good time
:rofl:
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The problem comes when the gun owners simply refuse to obey an illegitimate government and abrogation of their God given and constitutionally guaranteed rights, and resist.
Something egregious will happen. It will be oddly timely. Talking points and social media campaign will be all ready to go. The g00gleborg, Twitter and the Book of Faces will squash any opposing voices.
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Looks like Joe is using the Parkland anniversary to push his gun agenda.
https://www.newsmax.com/headline/biden-gun-control-message/2021/02/14/id/1009959/
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I'd feel a lot more comfortable if cocaine Mitch was in charge right now.
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I agree, Mitch would be light years better.
Maybe if the Republicans weren't divided and had all pulled together under Trump in time for the election we wouldn't be in this predicament.
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Many, like me, held our nose and supported pappa Bush, Dole, McCain, Romney and other *expletive deleted*it sandwiches the establishment served up in a show of solidarity.
The establishment shows little to no solidarity with their voters ie base.
Now, how many of us have moved on to the accelerationist point of view?
Let the leftists take over, let the whole Republican Party lose every election and hopefully survive the eventual leftist collapse and be there to help pick up the pieces and rebuild.
If the moronic Republicans think they are going to go back to their business as usual practices cutting the MAGA crowd out then they have a rude awakening coming I suspect.
I'd probably support a return to MAGA but I'm willing to let it all burn down before supporting the establishment/neo-con traitors ever again.
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Some more stuff being introduced:
Chairwoman of the House Oversight and Reform Committee Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) recently introduced a gun-control package to try to prevent the type of mass shooting that occurred at Marjory Stoneman Douglas.
The package includes The Gun Trafficking and Crime Prevention Act (pdf), The Gun Show Loophole Closing Act (pdf), The NICS Review Act (pdf), The Firearm Risk Protection Act (pdf), and The Handgun Trigger Safety Act (pdf).
https://www.theepochtimes.com/speaker-pelosi-and-top-democrats-renew-their-call-for-gun-control_3697482.html
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Oh, goodie, we are back on the SmartGunz (pat pending) again. Wonder when someone comes up with the idea of requiring RFID chips in the hands of gun owners. You know, so their guns work. Sure. That's why...
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Oh, goodie, we are back on the SmartGunz (pat pending) again. Wonder when someone comes up with the idea of requiring RFID chips in the hands of gun owners. You know, so their guns work. Sure. That's why...
Not just in gun owners
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I wish someone would make a O/U shotgun that looks like a AR-15.
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"Slow walk background checks".
That's one I was worried about regarding my suppressor that's still in jail.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/how-could-biden-tighten-gun-control-without-congress-approval
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From what I'm seeing, the strategy if the "frog in hit water" approach. Start with background checks, go to an AWB, maybe go after "internet sales". See what kind of fight they get on these. Biden throws some Ex Orders, sees how far he can go before a judge says no. How far they take this may depend on how hard we fight back. It would be nice if these new gun owners join our side. I fear a lot of them bought a gun and a few boxes of ammo, stuck them with their lanterns and canned goods, and couldn't care less about RKBA.
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Polls are polls, so taken with a grain of salt:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/most-republicans-satisfied-with-us-gun-laws-most-democrats-dissatisified-poll_3703161.html
My first thought when reading this, if the numbers are accurate, was the old "pie analogy". If Rs are satisfied with current laws, they are satisfied with a whole pie that is 6" in diameter, versus the 36" diameter whole pie we started with.
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"Bipartisan". Freakin' RINOs.
Original cosponsors for the federal expansion of background checks on all gun sales include Robin Kelly (D-Ill.), Fred Upton (R-Mich.), Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas), Brian Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.), Christopher Smith (R-N.J.), and Lucy McBath (D-Ga.).
https://www.theepochtimes.com/bipartisan-background-checks-act-of-2021-reintroduced_3717714.html
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"Bipartisan". Freakin' RINOs.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/bipartisan-background-checks-act-of-2021-reintroduced_3717714.html
:facepalm: we've known for a long time that not every Repub is 2A friendly. The big question is what goes through the senate; do the demon-rats remember th 94 AWB and what happened the next election? ? ?
Keep your powder dry.
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:facepalm: we've known for a long time that not every Repub is 2A friendly. The big question is what goes through the senate; do the demon-rats remember th 94 AWB and what happened the next election? ? ?
Keep your powder dry.
Real question is with the way they appear to have control of elections now do they even care? And remember whatever they pass this time you can bet dollars to donuts it won't have an expiration date like the 94 bill did so even if they are elected out the damage will be done and don't hold your breath on anything getting repealed afterwards.
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Real question is with the way they appear to have control of elections now do they even care? And remember whatever they pass this time you can bet dollars to donuts it won't have an expiration date like the 94 bill did so even if they are elected out the damage will be done and don't hold your breath on anything getting repealed afterwards.
If H. R. 1 becomes law, THE ENTIRE CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS IS DEAD.
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If H. R. 1 becomes law, THE ENTIRE CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS IS DEAD.
The really insidious thing about HR1 is that any states that individually fight it will end up making it stronger. I see several flyover states are now pushing voter ID and other laws to protect election integrity. All that means is that there is less voter fraud in those particular states and the states with lax laws still have rampant fraud. If we can't get voter ID laws in states like CA, or, as it appears, HR1 makes voting even less secure in those states, we are doomed as far as working within the system. One step closer to rifle time.
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If H. R. 1 becomes law, THE ENTIRE CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS IS DEAD.
"Comrade Lenin Cleanses The Earth Of Filth"
(https://i.etsystatic.com/18641759/r/il/99f7c8/2130335352/il_570xN.2130335352_7h1a.jpg)
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"Slow walk background checks".
That's one I was worried about regarding my suppressor that's still in jail.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/how-could-biden-tighten-gun-control-without-congress-approval
I thought suppressors did not use the NICS system for the background check.
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I thought suppressors did not use the NICS system for the background check.
I wasn't talking specifically NICS, but anything that requires a fed.gov background check. AFAIK, there is no time limit in which the gov HAS to process a tax stamp application. What's to keep administrators from telling their employees, "Don't process all that suppressor paperwork right now - we have some higher priority stuff you have to do." No law required, just bureaucracy acting in the classical meaning of sabotage.
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Apparently a pro 2A Michigan Senate Resolution is "Insurrection Material" according to another state senator
https://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2021-2022/resolutionintroduced/Senate/pdf/2021-SIR-0022.pdf
Pro 2nd Amendment Resolution Called Insurrection Material?!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf_qJCQo1uI
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Apparently a pro 2A Michigan Senate Resolution is "Insurrection Material" according to another state senator
https://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2021-2022/resolutionintroduced/Senate/pdf/2021-SIR-0022.pdf
Pro 2nd Amendment Resolution Called Insurrection Material?!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf_qJCQo1uI
Well, yeah, it is. That's one of the reasons the 2nd Amendment exists. It exists in case we need to toss the rascals out and they do not wish to go quietly.
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Good way of looking at it but I'm sure she equates insurrection with far right wing extremists, white supremacy, etc...
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Good way of looking at it but I'm sure she equates insurrection with far right wing extremists, white supremacy, etc...
More like a 4 year old who just learned a new word.
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Well it looks like as of now, my fear of "slow walking" tax stamps is not happening. The owner of my LGS just called to let me know the can stamp for my M1A came in. We were talking and I mentioned my fear of the slow down and surprise that it came in already. He checked the paperwork, and not only did it come in early, but is the fastest that I've gotten one. My last two took seven months. On this one, BATF got the paperwork on 01SEP and approved and mailed the stamp on 02FEB. The freaking post office took a month to deliver it today, 05MAR.
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HR8 - (Universal background checks (which is basically pointless without registration )) and HR 1446 - (Unlimited, or up to 30 days depending on how you read the bill, background check holds that can only be cleared up by the customer filing a petition for review) are coming up to bat next week.
The Dark Side of the Universal Background Check Bill HR8
https://www.ammoland.com/2019/08/the-dark-side-of-the-universal-background-check-bill-hr8/#axzz6oL7DDYDO
Enhanced Background Check Act 2021 (HR 1446) Explained
https://rocketffl.com/enhanced-background-check-act-2021-hr-1446/
'A Huge Moment': Gun Safety Groups Hopeful About Bipartisan Background Checks Bill
https://www.newsweek.com/huge-moment-gun-safety-groups-hopeful-about-bipartisan-background-checks-bill-1573282
HR8 & HR1446 Officially On House Schedule For Next Week
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0eIKoDnFu4
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I figure in five years time we will no longer have a Second Amendment. The Constitution itself may be gone, replaced by a new one written by our political betters where the government grants us "human rights".
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I figure in five years time we will no longer have a Second Amendment. country.
Fixed it for ya.
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Headed to Senate....
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/03/11/house-passes-Democrat-bill-criminalizing-private-gun-sales/
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Headed to Senate....
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/03/11/house-passes-Democrat-bill-criminalizing-private-gun-sales/
Does anyone know which Rs voted for it? I saw five of them co-sponsored it but didn't see all the names.
Additionally, the house passed HR1446, which allows indefinite delay of background checks, versus 72 hours.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/house-passes-gun-control-bill-expanding-background-checks-on-firearm-sales_3729592.html
EDIT: Just found the seven Rs:
Vern Buchanan (FL)
Brian Fitzpatrick (PA)
Maria Salazar (FL)
Andrew Garbarino (NY)
Chris Smith (NJ)
Fred Upton (MI)
Carlos Gimenez (FL)
Adam Kinzinger (IL)
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Steve Scalise
@SteveScalise
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4h
🚨 BREAKING → House Democrats just REJECTED an amendment that would have required ICE to be notified if an illegal immigrant tries to buy a gun.
But they’re fine taking away the gun rights of law-abiding American citizens.
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The Dark Side of the Universal Background Check Bill HR8
https://www.ammoland.com/2019/08/the-dark-side-of-the-universal-background-check-bill-hr8/#axzz6oL7DDYDO
This is very interesting. My thoughts going in were that, if confronted about how the owner obtained the firearm, the owner could simply end-around the law by simply claiming to have had the firearm for years. Absent it being something recently manufactured, there would be no way for law enforcement to prove it was obtained after the law went into effect. This seems to indicate that this is an intentional omission in the law to allow the legislature to "fix the mistake" by creating a national registry requiring owners to give the feds of everything owned so it can be used to make sure all current transfers are done with background checks.
Right now, most of my guns were obtained through private transfers or inheritance. This goes into effect, I have to choose to give Uncle Sam a list or become a criminal...
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Idaho legislators are currently looking at pushing through what is basically "FU fed.gov" legislation regarding unconstitutional laws, making them "null and void". The local news I've read on this all cites gun control as one of the main reasons. I hope it passes, though I don't know how well it will stand up to the feds or courts.
https://apnews.com/article/legislation-idaho-courts-62397ad7b8109e5b0a9a6c16adef1592
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Assault Weapons Ban of 2021 Submitted in the House
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNCGgMEPztA
https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/a/7/a77ca0d0-07b0-4cc1-8ce5-271997fe1947/063DD11B94F08E05113DFC5F9841B0C4.assault-weapons-ban-of-2021.pdf
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Regarding "large capacity" magazines (quote snipped for brevity):
‘(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to—
‘(C) the possession, by an individual who is re13 tired in good standing from service with a law en14 forcement agency and is not otherwise prohibited
15 from receiving ammunition, of a large capacity am16 munition feeding device—
17 ‘‘(i) sold or transferred to the individual by
18 the agency upon such retirement; or
19 ‘‘(ii) that the individual purchased, or oth20 erwise obtained, for official use before such re21 tirement;
So retired cops get to have standard capacity mags?
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Regarding "large capacity" magazines (quote snipped for brevity):
So retired cops get to have standard capacity mags?
Using dem logic since I couldn't get into law enforcement due to a preexisting condition I qualify
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDWuCCN9Vzg
[tinfoil]
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‘(w)(1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import,
sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting
interstate or foreign commerce, a large capacity ammunition feeding device.
‘‘(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession
of any large capacity ammunition feeding device otherwise
lawfully possessed on or before the date of enactment of
the Assault Weapons Ban of 2021.
So does that mean anyone possessing a hi capacity Mag after passage (I hope not) of this bill is a criminal?
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‘(w)(1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import,
sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting
interstate or foreign commerce, a large capacity ammunition feeding device.
‘‘(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession
of any large capacity ammunition feeding device otherwise
lawfully possessed on or before the date of enactment of
the Assault Weapons Ban of 2021.
So does that mean anyone possessing a hi capacity Mag after passage (I hope not) of this bill is a criminal?
Looks like a grandfather clause to me.
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Looks like a grandfather clause to me.
I got in a fight with one of the moderators on another forum by saying that not having a grandfather clause would amount to a 5th Amendment "taking" and be unconstitutional. (since I'm not a lawyer, I am not entitled to have a legal opinion unless I can cite actual legal cases)
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They're throwing in grandfather clauses in as a bone. Later when the murder rate doesn't change (shock) they'll use that as excuse to repeal the grandfather clauses.
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205 listed weapons in Feinstein's ban, and that's if you don't count, "and similar to".
https://www.theepochtimes.com/ban-on-205-different-assault-weapons-introduced-by-sen-feinstein_3730994.html
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I think we need to mount a wood chipper to the helicopter we throw them out of. Little pieces are better fertilizer.
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My advice, buy all the mags you can this week. Prices will start climbing tomorrow, because this will pass.
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My advice, buy all the mags you can this week. Prices will start climbing tomorrow, because this will pass.
I think this will have a tough time in the senate. There are enough blue senators that know that this will end their career. Manchin for one. Any squishy R that votes for is likewise done.
That said, I don't need any mags. But I became a gun nut during the ban years and because of the ban. And I remember paying $75 or more for Glock mags. And I have a lot of Glock mags now. Just ordered 35 more magpuls. I have 100 AR mags and but one AR so I will chill there and my M-14 count is 10 because they don't wear out and if you need to carry more than 10 you have bigger problems than small arms can solve.
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AR mag prices seem to have not changed at all. Everywhere I go, they are pre-panic price and plentiful. I must have around 30 AR mags at this point and am not sure what I would do with more, but then I said the same thing about my ammo supply last year. :)
Other mags I have priced are going for higher than normal prices, but I think I'm pretty set.
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Tempting to do some buying. I feel like I'm good on mags, honestly. That said, I always want more of something once it becomes restricted.
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My advice, buy all the mags you can this week. Prices will start climbing tomorrow, because this will pass.
DSG has 10 pack Magpul G2 mags for $98. Came out to $105 shipped for me. $10.50 per Mag is pretty damn good.
https://dsgarms.com/magazines-dsgtenpack01
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I think this will have a tough time in the senate. There are enough blue senators that know that this will end their career. Manchin for one. Any squishy R that votes for is likewise done.
This no longer applies since the Dems have taken complete control of the federal election apparatus. They know they are safe in their seats should they choose to run in the next election.
My predictions: Every Democrat, the lone not-so-independent socialist, and several Republicans will vote in favor of this bill. Number 46 will sign it into law.
When the new law eventually makes its way to the Supreme Court, the Court will refuse to take the case, thereby allowing the law to stand. That seems to be the new modus operandi of the compromised SCOTUS. Refusing to take a case gives them the political cover they need to not rule on a constitutionally abhorrent law.
I find it curious that the Democrats have gone mostly silent recently about packing the SCOTUS. They were very vocal about that prior to and just after the election.
I also am surprised that the Democrats wrote grandfather clauses into the new AWB, and didn't go for outright bans on ownership and "buybacks" (read: confiscation). That was their clearly declared intent prior to Nov. 3. They have the political power to do both, and the SCOTUS will back them. Why they chose to not go whole hog is very odd in my view.
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This no longer applies since the Dems have taken complete control of the federal election apparatus. They know they are safe in their seats should they choose to run in the next election.
My predictions: Every Democrat, the lone not-so-independent socialist, and several Republicans will vote in favor of this bill. Number 46 will sign it into law.
When the new law eventually makes its way to the Supreme Court, the Court will refuse to take the case, thereby allowing the law to stand. That seems to be the new modus operandi of the compromised SCOTUS. Refusing to take a case gives them the political cover they need to not rule on a constitutionally abhorrent law.
I find it curious that the Democrats have gone mostly silent recently about packing the SCOTUS. They were very vocal about that prior to and just after the election.
I also am surprised that the Democrats wrote grandfather clauses into the new AWB, and didn't go for outright bans on ownership and "buybacks" (read: confiscation). That was their clearly declared intent prior to Nov. 3. They have the political power to do both, and the SCOTUS will back them. Why they chose to not go whole hog is very odd in my view.
It helps keep gun owners from getting too upset, while still pushing forward with their objectives.
Just like how over time, the NFA has religated MGs to expensive, niche items; so they would prefer with semiautos.
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AR mag prices seem to have not changed at all. Everywhere I go, they are pre-panic price and plentiful. I must have around 30 AR mags at this point and am not sure what I would do with more, but then I said the same thing about my ammo supply last year. :)
Other mags I have priced are going for higher than normal prices, but I think I'm pretty set.
The only mags I would really like more of is some 15 or 20 rounders for my Armalite AR10 that uses the modified M14 mags but they are rare as hen's teeth. Other than that I am set, more than set actually. Although I may splurge on a 60 round Surefire mag for my AR pattern rifles just because I can. I already have an older 100 round drum from back when the Clinton ban expired.
bob
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I'd like some more Ruger Mini-14 steel magazines; I like the 20 rounders. I got some aftermarket steel mags from CDNN a few years ago that work really well, but they don't seem to sell them anymore. A few 10's would actually be handy too but I don't know if they make those.
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The only mags I would really like more of is some 15 or 20 rounders for my Armalite AR10 that uses the modified M14 mags but they are rare as hen's teeth.
bob
Stocked up on 20 & 25 rounders before Armalite started switching over to the SR-25 pattern mag
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Looks like a grandfather clause to me.
It's called a loophole. Not to worry, they will take care of that in the near future.
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I got in a fight with one of the moderators on another forum by saying that not having a grandfather clause would amount to a 5th Amendment "taking" and be unconstitutional. (since I'm not a lawyer, I am not entitled to have a legal opinion unless I can cite actual legal cases)
Hmmm . . . there's a "legal" moderator on another shooting forum that has a habit of removing posts when he sees himself losing a debate . . .
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Manchin shockingly is standing his ground
Despite Biden’s Plea, Joe Manchin Opposes the Two Background Check Bills Passed by the House
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/despite-bidens-plea-joe-manchin-opposes-the-two-background-check-bills-passed-by-the-house/
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Not content with violating the Second Amendment, the Biden administration wants to destroy the Fourth as well:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksibilla/2021/03/23/biden-administration-urges-supreme-court-to-let-cops-enter-homes-and-seize-guns-without-a-warrant
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I just saw an interview in the local news with an Idaho state rep regarding a newly introduced state bill "The Small Arms Protection Act". It was just introduced a couple of weeks ago and she said it's looking good, except that it needs to pass before Biden / Congress do any new antigun stuff themselves. I don't understand the legal reasons, but it would apparently not have as many teeth regarding already existing Federal gun control laws versus laws enacted after it is put in place.
I hope it passes. It wouldn't help with out of state travel, but in-state is better than nothing. We are currently a "2nd Amendment Sanctuary State", but of course that is more of a statement than anything else.
https://legiscan.com/ID/bill/H0300/2021
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Not content with violating the Second Amendment, the Biden administration wants to destroy the Fourth as well:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksibilla/2021/03/23/biden-administration-urges-supreme-court-to-let-cops-enter-homes-and-seize-guns-without-a-warrant
(https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1651761)
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We are well into tyranny and no one seems to be doing much about it but I think that a strong move on firearms might be the watershed moment for many people holding back. What ever they do to disarm Citizens is going to have to be a half measure. They can't just jump, they still have to creep. Unless they intend to cause a ruckus of course. However given the pace of events, I don't think they have the patience to wait years for their schemes, it's more like months.
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However given the pace of events, I don't think they have the patience to wait years for their schemes, it's more like months.
My guess is that when Harris replaces Biden the train is going to accelerate into hyperdrive.
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Edit: repeated link to warrantless seizure story
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Talk of Republican compromise. Not unexpected. It's sounding like there may not be votes for a magazine or "assault rifle" ban, but I'm going to go ahead and lay money on something background check related passing in the next couple of months.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republicans-gun-control-senate-house
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When in doubt try guilt tripping them
“When Congress doesn’t act, it sends an unintentional but very real sign of endorsement to these would-be killers. It looks like we’re approving the way in which they are managing their grievances, because we don’t do anything year after year.”
By extension IMHO he's in effect also saying all gun owners endorse "these would be killers"
Murphy: By Failing to Pass Gun Control, Congress Has Become Complicit in Mass Shootings
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/murphy-by-failing-to-pass-gun-control-congress-has-become-complicit-in-mass-shootings/
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At a minimum, I predict universal background checks, possibly also waiting periods and magazine size restrictions.
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At a minimum, I predict universal background checks, possibly also waiting periods and magazine size restrictions.
Agreed. But I'm also predicting a ban on imports by E.O., and I think that will be imported guns, parts, and ammo. Also see the law shielding firearms companies in serious danger, especially if they kill the filibuster. I'm hearing from sources at work that this is a primary goal, as it will allow gun and ammo companies to be sued out of existence. Complete gun control without need for Congress to pass a single ban.
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I am predicting Congress will not pass anything but Biden will try to do it with EO's including including the import ban. IMO, that will lead to some interesting times.
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My bet was on what Congress does. I agree that if Biden can do EOs, he'll do any he can.
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Agreed. But I'm also predicting a ban on imports by E.O., and I think that will be imported guns, parts, and ammo. Also see the law shielding firearms companies in serious danger, especially if they kill the filibuster. I'm hearing from sources at work that this is a primary goal, as it will allow gun and ammo companies to be sued out of existence. Complete gun control without need for Congress to pass a single ban.
Sort of like the 1st amendment right to free speech is being killed by big tech.
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I am listening to Steven Crowder's live coverage of Biden's press conference today. Biden was asked about the recent shootings, gun control, and the liability protection act he promised to remove. Biden immediate started talking about infrastructure and clean water. There was no follow up question. Either he lost his place and started talking about other stuff or he is trying to avoid the issue. If he is avoiding the issue, that is a good thing for us. Hard to say with Biden.
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Well, I'll just leave this here:
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/03/25/this-is-nuts-hunter-bidens-then-girlfriend-his-brothers-widow-threw-his-gun-in-a-dumpster-and-then-the-story-gets-even-weirder/
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This seems like potentially good news:
President Joe Biden, responding to a question on Thursday on when to push gun control measures, promised a series of actions to regulate the sale of firearms but said his next agenda item pertains to U.S. infrastructure.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/biden-gun-control-will-be-a-matter-of-timing_3749619.html
From the rest of the article, it sounded almost like he was brushing off the gun control question. The more things that get "prioritized" ahead of gun control, the better, IMO.
I won't get my hopes up, but I found it interesting that he actually said in a press conference that he wants to do infrastructure first, especially while the libs and MSM are on the gun control warpath.
I have to wonder if dem strategists are actually thinking about what happens in mid-terms after gun control legislation is passed?
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https://tinyurl.com/yp4vjhu
Secret Service Intervened In Hunter Biden Gun Incident; Hunter May Have Lied On Background Check Form, Report Says
I doubt anything will ever come of this, but it fits with what we know of the Biden's.
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And I guess I was wrong again. No date given, but the language sounds like, "soon". Who knows what it will be. I'll bet an import ban.
President Joe Biden will sign executive orders on gun control in the near future, confirmed White House press secretary Jen Psaki on Friday.
When asked about the prospect of taking executive action, Psaki responded with, “Yes.”
“I can’t give you an exact time frame, in part, because they have to go through a review process, which is something that we do from here,” Psaki told reporters at the White House.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/white-house-confirms-biden-will-sign-executive-order-on-gun-control_3751243.html
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A Dem insider I know claims Biden is going to ban by EO the importation of all firearms, firearm parts of any kind, and all ammunition. My thought: I know at one point a lot of gun companies were importing parts for assembly in US factories, including SIG and Glock. It would be almost funny if DOD and .gov couldn't get new firearms because of this.
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A Dem insider I know claims Biden is going to ban by EO the importation of all firearms, firearm parts of any kind, and all ammunition. My thought: I know at one point a lot of gun companies were importing parts for assembly in US factories, including SIG and Glock. It would be almost funny if DOD and .gov couldn't get new firearms because of this.
Any Us firearm company that can survive needs to pull a Ronny Barrett. Refuse to sell to them.
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Any Us firearm company that can survive needs to pull a Ronny Barrett. Refuse to sell to them.
Sadly, only the smaller guys ever seem to have the guts (or lack of NYC shareholders) to do it. Barrett was a great example of someone with a niche product that gov entities needed (or really wanted). If someone like Sig said "no" to the gov, someone like Glock would swoop right in.
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Sadly, only the smaller guys ever seem to have the guts (or lack of NYC shareholders) to do it. Barrett was a great example of someone with a niche product that gov entities needed (or really wanted). If someone like Sig said "no" to the gov, someone like Glock would swoop right in.
To sell guns to the US government, those guns must be made in the US. Glock builds guns in the US with some parts imported from Austria.
Also, government contracts take a long time to bid, finance, accept, supply, distribute, etc. If the military said today they are changing to Glocks, it would still take 10 years to make it happen.
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To sell guns to the US government, those guns must be made in the US. Glock builds guns in the US with some parts imported from Austria.
Also, government contracts take a long time to bid, finance, accept, supply, distribute, etc. If the military said today they are changing to Glocks, it would still take 10 years to make it happen.
I was more talking about local/state. I think Barrett stopped selling to cops.
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What if Joe EOs a complete ban on foreign guns, parts, and ammo and then US manufacturers totally fill the resultant product gap?
Would we really be that bad off? It could work out for us politically.
That is a lot more Americans will be employed directly and indirectly by the firearms industry making that a larger constituency of people who would be opposed to more gun control in general.
And encouraging home manufacturing of anything makes this country less dependent on outsiders and that's always a good thing.
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What if Joe EOs a complete ban on foreign guns, parts, and ammo and then US manufacturers totally fill the resultant product gap?
Repealing the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, which is a dem wet dream, will allow dem/leftest lawyers to then burn US manufactures to the ground in short order.
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How far will he go? There are many bullet mold manufacturers and other reloading parts made overseas. There has already been customs problems for some of them since the election.
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What if Joe EOs a complete ban on foreign guns, parts, and ammo and then US manufacturers totally fill the resultant product gap?
Would we really be that bad off? It could work out for us politically.
In terms of modern, semi-auto firearms I think we'd be fine. However, a total import ban would eliminate Uberti and Pietta, who make most of the cowboy six-gun clones -- including not only their own brands but also Cimmaron, Taylor's, and I think a couple of others. IIt would also put VTI Gun Parts out of business.
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In terms of modern, semi-auto firearms I think we'd be fine. However, a total import ban would eliminate Uberti and Pietta, who make most of the cowboy six-gun clones -- including not only their own brands but also Cimmaron, Taylor's, and I think a couple of others. IIt would also put VTI Gun Parts out of business.
----Which is why I would be a little suspicious of this. I don't think President Ponysoldier gives a tinker's BLEEP about repro cap & ball and black powder guns.
I have no doubt he'll issue a EO banning importation of some guns and related stuff.
Right now, I'm going to wait and see.
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Semi-auto seems to be the bad term these days so I can see an import ban being specific to semi-auto guns.
Another reason to have the 45/70 lever action on call.
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(https://i.redd.it/ljqf0t7dhyp61.png)
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While I applaud people stepping up for gun rights, I sure wish this would be occurring in a post-Wayne NRA. He's probably secure in his position for the near future.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/nra-memberships-jump-amid-pandemic-push-for-stricter-gun-control_3755084.html
The National Rifle Association (NRA) has seen a jump in new members in recent months, with 150,000 signups in 2021 alone so far.
On average, the gun rights group is seeing about 1,000 new members a day, Amy Hunter, the NRA’s director of media relations, told The Epoch Times.
The surge is attributed in part to the gun restrictions being discussed by Democrats in Congress and President Joe Biden.
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I heard yesterday that universal background checks could pass filibuster. Apparently some R senators are getting soft on it. I heard John Cornyn of Texas is one of them.
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I heard yesterday that universal background checks could pass filibuster. Apparently some R senators are getting soft on it. I heard John Cornyn of Texas is one of them.
I knew some Rs would fold on that. Some because they are really Ds, and some because they seem to only be listening to the "headlines" vs understanding both the current system and what the antis want to impose. The "common sense" excuse.
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I heard yesterday that universal background checks could pass filibuster. Apparently some R senators are getting soft on it. I heard John Cornyn of Texas is one of them.
Because we need to do more of what we already know doesn't work to appease the liberal gods.
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Add another "boogeyman" to the growing list "Concealable Assault Weapons"
109 Members of Congress Beg Biden To Add "Concealable Assault Weapons" To NFA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBl7tcMxG4A
The letter
https://neguse.house.gov/imo/media/doc/2021_03_31%20GVPTF%20Ltr%20re%20Concealable%20Assault%20Weapons%20(signed).pdf?fbclid=IwAR1jUwq6MLR76ACNZumjPbbQbgpmPXiTZiq2mlVawxNc8KzRIhDdjFaPSsg
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This is probably just moron dem politicians spouting off, but as far as I know, Biden can't EO a ban on AR pistols (other than import related), can he?
A group of House Democrats has asked President Joe Biden to take executive action on “concealable assault-style firearms,” citing two mass shootings in Atlanta and Boulder, Colorado, last month.
“Concealable assault-style firearms that fire rifle rounds pose an unreasonable threat to our communities and should be fully regulated under the National Firearms Act consistent with the intent and history of the law. The recent tragedy in Boulder, Colorado where 10 people including a police officer were killed is one in a string of deadly incidents involving this style of weapon,” Reps. Mike Thompson (D-Calif.), Joe Neguse (D-Colo.), Val Demings (D-Fla.), and Ed Perlmutter (D-Colo.) said in a letter to Biden.
They said that because alleged Boulder gunman Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa used a semi-automatic Ruger AR-556 pistol, which is a smaller variant of an AR-15-style rifle, either Congress or Biden should take action.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/house-democrats-ask-biden-to-take-executive-action-on-concealable-assault-style-firearms_3758815.html
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This is probably just moron dem politicians spouting off, but as far as I know, Biden can't EO a ban on AR pistols (other than import related), can he?
https://www.theepochtimes.com/house-democrats-ask-biden-to-take-executive-action-on-concealable-assault-style-firearms_3758815.html
Trump got the ATF to call bump stocks machine guns despite them not meeting the statutory definition. Why couldn't Biden do something similar?
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Trump got the ATF to call bump stocks machine guns despite them not meeting the statutory definition. Why couldn't Biden do something similar?
That's a good example. I simply don't myself know how far EOs can be stretched.
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In theory, an Executive Order can only direct in some way the implementation of an existing law or regulation. It can't create new laws or new regulations.
That's "in theory."
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I've heard that the ATF might try to classify AR pistols as AOW, but at this point it's all speculation.
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BOHICA ...
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-executive-actions-gun-control
Looks like we'll find out tomorrow just how bad it's going to be.
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My prediction
Braces
"Ghost"/80% guns/lowers
Imported "assault" guns and maybe ammo
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80% firearms would be a hard one. At some point, someone will have to decide when a block of aluminum becomes a receiver.
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They are quoting the gun experts at politico, so certainly take it with a grain of salt:
According to a report from Politico, Biden’s order may center on so-called “ghost guns,” which would require individuals to undergo background checks when they purchase kits to build a gun. It’s unclear if this would apply to guns that are 3-D printed. The Epoch Times has contacted the White House for comment.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/biden-confirms-hell-make-announcement-on-gun-control-this-week_3766379.html
I wonder if they will try to umbrella "kit" to mean the "everything but the stripped lower" kits that PSA and others sell? Or maybe even uppers?
The article also mentioned eliminating what the cool antigun kids are calling the "charleston loophole" where you get your gun if the NICS takes more than 72 hours.
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80% firearms would be a hard one. At some point, someone will have to decide when a block of aluminum becomes a receiver.
Isn't there some substantive legal precedent for the 80% threshold? If so, it's possible it would trigger a SCOTUS intervention.
Brad
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Isn't there some substantive legal precedent for the 80% threshold? If so, it's possible it would trigger a SCOTUS intervention.
Brad
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
SCOTUS
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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They don't want to wake up with a horse's head in their bed.
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Isn't there some substantive legal precedent for the 80% threshold? If so, it's possible it would trigger a SCOTUS intervention.
Brad
I assumed it was either a court ruling or an ATF regulation. Never heard of a law saying that.
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I am betting on import limits/bans.
On the domestic side whatever they do will be challenged in court so I expect it to be something they think they can either win or drag out in court.
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So now I need a ghost gun,
a high capacity assault ghost gun with a brace.
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So now I need a ghost gun,
a high capacity assault ghost gun with a brace.
Don't forget to buy some imported ammo for it.
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Dana Loesch
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Does it include bringing charges against members of his family for stealing a handgun and falsifying a 4473?
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BREAKING: President Biden to unveil executive action on gun control Thursday - Politico
‘Does it include…’? Dana Loesch has a GREAT question about Biden’s upcoming gun control EOs
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/04/07/does-it-include-dana-loesch-has-a-great-question-about-bidens-upcoming-gun-control-eos/
:rofl:
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There better be a lawsready to go and impeachment papers since he is breaking his oath of office.
But in not holding my breath.
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I have always wanted to build an AR. Seems like now is a good time to at least get my 'ghost gun' 80% lower. >:D
So, I just ordered a 80% lower from 80percentarms.com. Thanks for the motivation Joe! [ar15]
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And 46 will be nominating a gun control advocate as the new ATF Director:
Zeke Miller
@ZekeJMiller
WASHINGTON (AP) — AP sources: Biden to nominate former special agent, gun control advocate David Chipman as ATF director.
In his Twitter bio, David Chipman describes himself thusly: “ATF Special Agent (retired), Gun Violence Prevention Advocate @GiffordsCourage, Michigander in Virginia and Proud 97%er.”
Apparently the dude locked his twitter account ahead of time so people can't find out how much of a totalitarian commie he is.
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And 46 will be nominating a gun control advocate as the new ATF Director:
Apparently the dude locked his twitter account ahead of time so people can't find out how much of a totalitarian commie he is.
Biden to Nominate Giffords Gun Control Group Policy Advisor as ATF Director
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/biden-to-nominate-giffords-gun-control-group-advisor-as-atf-director/
If you thought the ATF was a PITA now......
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If anyone was waiting on a tax stamp I would be willing to bet there's suddenly going to be some extra delays.
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If anyone was waiting on a tax stamp I would be willing to bet there's suddenly going to be some extra delays.
Yeah, seeing this guy nominated, my first thought was to get another can in the pipeline, but then I wondered if it would even go through. It would suck to pay $800 for a can, then suddenly have tax stamps suspended or something and be out the dough.
Maybe this guy will be too much of a hot potato to make it through the confirmation hearings. At least a couple of D senators might be afraid of getting voted out if they confirm him.
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The Arizona Governor just signed a bill to preempt any new fed gun laws that the state deems unconstitutional. Good for him.
The same was supposed to happen here in Idaho, but it appears the legislation is held up. Maybe Biden's announcement will get them off their asses. I recall reading a quote in the local paper from a legislator here that it is vital to get this kind of legislation through BEFORE any new fed laws ore EOs are issued as it is apparently legally problematic to do the prohibition thing to laws already on the books.
Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey signed legislation on April 6 that would prohibit police and sheriffs in the state from enforcing new federal gun laws that may violate the Constitution’s Second Amendment.
Proponents of the bill have argued that it would ensure that the rights of gun owners are protected from what they have described as potential overreach by the federal government, while critics say the law will undermine cooperation between Arizona law enforcement and federal officials.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/arizona-governor-signs-bill-to-defy-any-new-federal-gun-control-laws_3766323.html?&utm_source=News&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-04-07-3&mktids=c454881760320bf150698487c6406567&est=51a19JwBha8X1gEdGbAbhOu0Bqaua1%2B3oPALx%2Fr6uhlTtUDgqjrU9%2Fkqbxo2hfMbgQvQsGtq
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The Arizona Governor just signed a bill to preempt any new fed gun laws that the state deems unconstitutional. Good for him.
The same was supposed to happen here in Idaho, but it appears the legislation is held up. Maybe Biden's announcement will get them off their asses. I recall reading a quote in the local paper from a legislator here that it is vital to get this kind of legislation through BEFORE any new fed laws ore EOs are issued as it is apparently legally problematic to do the prohibition thing to laws already on the books.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/arizona-governor-signs-bill-to-defy-any-new-federal-gun-control-laws_3766323.html?&utm_source=News&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-04-07-3&mktids=c454881760320bf150698487c6406567&est=51a19JwBha8X1gEdGbAbhOu0Bqaua1%2B3oPALx%2Fr6uhlTtUDgqjrU9%2Fkqbxo2hfMbgQvQsGtq
Waiting on something like that here in Ky. %$@! Dem gov would probably veto it but the Rs in the senate have enough votes to override.
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The Arizona Governor just signed a bill to preempt any new fed gun laws that the state deems unconstitutional. Good for him.
The same was supposed to happen here in Idaho, but it appears the legislation is held up. Maybe Biden's announcement will get them off their asses. I recall reading a quote in the local paper from a legislator here that it is vital to get this kind of legislation through BEFORE any new fed laws ore EOs are issued as it is apparently legally problematic to do the prohibition thing to laws already on the books.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/arizona-governor-signs-bill-to-defy-any-new-federal-gun-control-laws_3766323.html?&utm_source=News&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-04-07-3&mktids=c454881760320bf150698487c6406567&est=51a19JwBha8X1gEdGbAbhOu0Bqaua1%2B3oPALx%2Fr6uhlTtUDgqjrU9%2Fkqbxo2hfMbgQvQsGtq (https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/arizona-governor-signs-bill-to-defy-any-new-federal-gun-control-laws_3766323.html?&utm_source=News&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-04-07-3&mktids=c454881760320bf150698487c6406567&est=51a19JwBha8X1gEdGbAbhOu0Bqaua1%2B3oPALx%2Fr6uhlTtUDgqjrU9%2Fkqbxo2hfMbgQvQsGtq)
I see those laws as a little bit dangerous; all they do is say police and sheriffs will turn a blind eye to federal gun laws and prohibits them from assisting the feds. It offers no protection against the feds arresting and prosecuting you on their own, but it might lead citizens to think they had protection.
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And 46 will be nominating a gun control advocate as the new ATF Director:
Apparently the dude locked his twitter account ahead of time so people can't find out how much of a totalitarian commie he is.
Used to run Giffords. he worries me more than the possibility of some EOs.
bob
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I see those laws as a little bit dangerous; all they do is say police and sheriffs will turn a blind eye to federal gun laws and prohibits them from assisting the feds. It offers no protection against the feds arresting and prosecuting you on their own, but it might lead citizens to think they had protection.
I like it since it might give pause to some of the big city police chiefs who would be tempted to go crazy with gun control enforcement.
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Some stuff seems to be leaking. "Ghost guns" and also...
The Justice Department will be given 60 days to issue a separate rule on stabilizing braces, which can turn a pistol into a more accurate weapon that fires like a rifle. Sixty days will also be provided for the DOJ to develop model "red flag" legislation that would allow friends and family members to identify an individual as a potential danger, thereby temporarily preventing the person from accessing a firearm.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-actions-gun-violence
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https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/04/07/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-announces-initial-actions-to-address-the-gun-violence-public-health-epidemic/
These are the headers of the main paragraphs.
The Justice Department, within 30 days, will issue a proposed rule to help stop the proliferation of “ghost guns.”
The Justice Department, within 60 days, will issue a proposed rule to make clear when a device marketed as a stabilizing brace effectively turns a pistol into a short-barreled rifle subject to the requirements of the National Firearms Act.
The Justice Department, within 60 days, will publish model “red flag” legislation for states.
The Administration is investing in evidence-based community violence interventions.
The Justice Department will issue an annual report on firearms trafficking.
The President will nominate David Chipman to serve as Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms.
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https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/04/07/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-announces-initial-actions-to-address-the-gun-violence-public-health-epidemic/
These are the headers of the main paragraphs.
If they go NFA with the braces and allow the free issuance of Tax Stamps as floated a while back I will just have to get a couple of extras for SBRing my spare lowers. ;)
bob
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Ordered two 80% AR-9 glock mag lowers just for spite. I have the metal for my 0% standard lower.
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Great, a policy director for an anti-gun group to be the head of ATF...Can't imagine what he's gonna do... ;/
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Great, a policy director for an anti-gun group to be the head of ATF...Can't imagine what he's gonna do... ;/
But he owns a gun and has a carry permit!!!!!!!
In an op-ed he penned in The Roanoke Times last year, Chipman described himself as a "proud gun owner" who has sometimes been "mischaracterized as a gun grabber." Chipman noted that he supports gun safety regulations that would "save lives" but wouldn’t take guns away from law-abiding citizens.
"I am a proud and responsible gun owner, as are millions of Virginians," Chipman wrote. "I am also permitted to carry a concealed handgun. I am not afraid of lawmakers in Richmond passing laws to make it harder for criminals to get guns. In fact, I’m part of the majority who demand it."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-david-chipman-atf
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Ordered two 80% AR-9 glock mag lowers just for spite. I have the metal for my 0% standard lower.
Which vendor?
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But he owns a gun and has a carry permit!!!!!!!
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-david-chipman-atf
There are two classes, peasants where everyone is equal and elites who are more equal. Only the elites can be trusted with guns, you're not an elite.
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I found this link to a reddit Q&A discussion Chipman held. His answers here tell a lot about him.
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/d285va/i_am_david_chipman_giffords_courage_to_fight_gun/
Example:
Hi David you made an appearance on CBS news and seemed to have made several conflicting or outright false statements.
For example at 4:40 in the clip below you state that its a
it's a myth that silencers can be used in lieu of hearing protection"
and then in your next statement
silencers are particularly deadly because they cause confusion in shootings and make it hard to recognize gun fire.
My question is: How is it something can be so loud that it still requires hearing protection, but quiet enough that it makes it hard to recognize gun fire?
In case you need a refresher the clip can be viewed at
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/mass-shooting-of-12-in-virginia-beach-reignites-debate-about-silencers/
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I'll let this gun violence survivor speak for themselves.
"When we heard the first shots, it sounded like a nail gun going off."
https://www.npr.org/2019/06/02/728986386/virginia-beach-shooting-survivor-says-victim-laid-down-his-life-to-save-colleagu
He also really hammers on AR pistols in this discussion.
Edit again. One more. You really have to read through that link. Holy moly.
1 year ago
Hi David. Should gun manufacturers be held accountable for things done by other people with the guns they sell?
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Of course. Just like any other industry.
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Biden moves on "Gun Control" (https://mail.google.com/mail/u/2/h/1g64661e1uspn/?&th=178b20d3e830bfec&v=c)
Large Numbers of NICS Checks (https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-conducted-4-691-000-154631875.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cub2tzaG9vdGVycy5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALyeZJ1WYywkfNG4YKLf_CzH1GBLAEAvRVSUF6HkOWEQyvlI0-1YSG8AiU5n2_UlgTjs6Uuu-yB46GOgSLv-_PHgf2UJJU1LYzxqSx2jKFzB7lsN2LsZH7hoTDkvm_4709_tOHIKw2nn7A8j042U2hi0sJYcViSwMEQiNlNclIbA)
I believe these gun sales are a direct result of the threat to our freedoms. I believe more and more people are beginning to see where all this government control is leading and realize that it may come to a shooting war. It will take a shooting war to preserve those freedoms and restore those that have been infringed or lost and no one wants to be caught unable to participate in such a righteous end to the dictatorial human debris that staff and despotically abuse the offices of our Constitution.
I think it is ironic that Biden and his ilk - authors all to the threat to our rights and freedoms - continue to press on with their agenda in light of the obvious rising of the people's ability to resist. We can only hope and pray that they reach the epiphany that they can't have us before those of us who revere our rights and freedoms and and revel in them must take a stand. I believe they misjudge our need and desire to remain a free people. I believe they have forgotten that their jobs working for the Constitution are primarily to secure our rights and freedoms or are simply ignoring their constitutional duties in order to turn us into subjects, slaves, and villein.
Woody
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Biden moves on "Gun Control" (https://mail.google.com/mail/u/2/h/1g64661e1uspn/?&th=178b20d3e830bfec&v=c)
Large Numbers of NICS Checks (https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-conducted-4-691-000-154631875.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cub2tzaG9vdGVycy5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALyeZJ1WYywkfNG4YKLf_CzH1GBLAEAvRVSUF6HkOWEQyvlI0-1YSG8AiU5n2_UlgTjs6Uuu-yB46GOgSLv-_PHgf2UJJU1LYzxqSx2jKFzB7lsN2LsZH7hoTDkvm_4709_tOHIKw2nn7A8j042U2hi0sJYcViSwMEQiNlNclIbA)
I believe these gun sales are a direct result of the threat to our freedoms. I believe more and more people are beginning to see where all this government control is leading and realize that it may come to a shooting war. It will take a shooting war to preserve those freedoms and restore those that have been infringed or lost and no one wants to be caught unable to participate in such a righteous end to the dictatorial human debris that staff and despotically abuse the offices of our Constitution.
I think it is ironic that Biden and his ilk - authors all to the threat to our rights and freedoms - continue to press on with their agenda in light of the obvious rising of the people's ability to resist. We can only hope and pray that they reach the epiphany that they can't have us before those of us who revere our rights and freedoms and and revel in them must take a stand. I believe they misjudge our need and desire to remain a free people. I believe they have forgotten that their jobs working for the Constitution are primarily to secure our rights and freedoms or are simply ignoring their constitutional duties in order to turn us into subjects, slaves, and villein.
Woody
I would love to agree with you, but I can't.
Some people are buying guns because of the threat to our liberty, but I think most of the new buyers are of the mindset of, "I'd better buy one while I can." At the first sign of new laws enacted or confiscation started, those new buyers will happily turn in their guns.
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If you can stomach it, Harris and Biden:
https://youtu.be/SXosHWozjeo
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-guns-remarks-executive-actions
EDIT: That video also made me breathe a sigh of relief that Merrick Garland did not make it onto the Supreme Court.
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Which vendor?
80percentarms.com
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What do you think about Joes words?
“ Their phony argument suggesting that these are Second Amendment rights at stake for what we’re talking about, but no amendment to the Constitution is absolute. ”
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What do you think about Joes words?
“ Their phony argument suggesting that these are Second Amendment rights at stake for what we’re talking about, but no amendment to the Constitution is absolute. ”
If they say it loud enough and long enough then people will believe it because that will be their basis for learning about the Constitution. It doesn't get taught in school anymore so what people learn is what they hear.
bob
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I would love to agree with you, but I can't.
Some people are buying guns because of the threat to our liberty, but I think most of the new buyers are of the mindset of, "I'd better buy one while I can." At the first sign of new laws enacted or confiscation started, those new buyers will happily turn in their guns.
So far, compliance rates with "turn'em in" laws in a few states has been incredible low.
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80% lowers doubled in price on some sites today.
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80% lowers doubled in price on some sites today.
Well, isn't that a total surprise. Douchebags. ;/
bob
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What do you think about Joes words?
“ Their phony argument suggesting that these are Second Amendment rights at stake for what we’re talking about, but no amendment to the Constitution is absolute. ”
I'd say that puts him in violation of his oath of office, and directly into conflict with my oath of enlistment.
[popcorn]
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My wife and I were having dinner and had the radio news on. She asked me what a “ghost gun” was. I explained the 80% thing. She still didn’t get it, so I went to the basement and came back with one. She didn’t think it looked all that dangerous.
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My wife and I were having dinner and had the radio news on. She asked me what a “ghost gun” was. I explained the 80% thing. She still didn’t get it, so I went to the basement and came back with one. She didn’t think it looked all that dangerous.
We all know they do not look dangerous. Actually, there isn't any danger at all with a 80% lower.That is not the point as far as the current administration is, it is the IDEA that is dangerous. Many ideas have become dangerous, just look at the cancel culture!
bob
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The fact that they don't have 100% control over them is what makes them dangerous in their mind
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The fact that they don't have 100% control over them is what makes them dangerous in their mind
Yeah, but ... Only dangerous to them.
Woody
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My wife and I were having dinner and had the radio news on. She asked me what a “ghost gun” was. I explained the 80% thing. She still didn’t get it, so I went to the basement and came back with one. She didn’t think it looked all that dangerous.
I need to get a block of aluminum and put a serial number on it.
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The fact that they don't have 100% control over them is what makes them dangerous in their mind
Except they have no control and tracing doesn't provide that. How does tracing help with all the guns we hear about stolen from police vehicles?
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I need to get a block of aluminum and put a serial number on it.
Or a shovel. Both things can be made into a rifle.
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Or a shovel. Both things can be made into a rifle.
Just keep it separate from your shoe laces.
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What do you think about Joes words?
“ Their phony argument suggesting that these are Second Amendment rights at stake for what we’re talking about, but no amendment to the Constitution is absolute. ”
Essentially poli-legal drivel used by elitists to justify any intrusion into or assault upon our rights. Sure, there are "limits" to rights as they were not ever supposed to justify harming others. Freedom of speech doesn't protect libel or slander (usually civil law concerns) or incitement to riot as those are crimes and hurtful to others. The right is limited to the existential parameters of the said right.
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is a pretty absolute statement. It is "the right of the people," hence the right is connected to, and possessed by, the PEOPLE. To "keep and bear arms" obviously means to "maintain ownership and possession of," and "to carry upon one's person" arms (of the types that can be owned and carried). "Shall not be infringed" is the requirement no govt. may attack said right: the word "shall" is an "imperative," meaning it's not polite asking, it means "you WILL comply". The government CANNOT "infringe" the right. I think many either do not really understand or deliberately ignore this word. "Infringe" has two meanings in my dictionary; 1.) To intrude into. 2.) To diminish. If one cannot intrude into, say, a room, one may by definition not touch, alter, or enter into the room to perform any function in said room. If it must not be diminished, then by definition it must remain whole.
We have certain rational exclusions that have long been true; for example, felons and excons are generally prohibited from owning or carrying arms as they have been adjudicated guilty in a court of law. Children who are below "the age of understanding" cannot handle guns as they won't comprehend the consequences of misuse or might accidently hurt themselves or others.
But a adult who is in full possession of his rights, is not an excon, must not have his rights under the Second Amendment be abbreviated, diminished, or altered. In this sense, it is absolute.
Not ALL gun laws will necessarily injure 2A rights. A jurisdiction may decide that open carry is lawful, or that the weapon must be concealed. But one, the other, or both, must be permitted.
A point of contention may be conceal carry permits vs. "Constitutional Carry." Must a citizen request "permission" to carry? I suppose if the law is "must issue" such a law can be saidacceptable, but not "may issue," as capricious officials might deny a permit based on whim or political ideology.
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Wasn't sure if I should post this here, or in one of the "fake news" threads.
Holy hell. I thought I would click through the "local" news stations this morning to catch any "local" news on this and maybe get news on what Idaho is going to do to fight this. Instead, all three "local" stations pretty much mimicked the MSM when they covered Biden's speech from yesterday. Pretty much word for word, like from a script.
Which confirms that video that was posted here (I can't remember who or where on the forum). It was a Youtube compilation of 'local" stations across the country covering a national story. They all, word for word, said the same thing about the national story. Just confirming that "local" news is controlled by whatever national media corp owns the stations.
I will say that one of them had a separate story on Idaho reaction to it, and at least that was in line with state beliefs. Though it was like as 15 second segment, and the "local reporter" still managed to throw in that stupid Biden line that a brace makes and AR pistol "deadly accurate".
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Essentially poli-legal drivel used by elitists to justify any intrusion into or assault upon our rights. Sure, there are "limits" to rights as they were not ever supposed to justify harming others. Freedom of speech doesn't protect libel or slander (usually civil law concerns) or incitement to riot as those are crimes and hurtful to others. The right is limited to the existential parameters of the said right.
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is a pretty absolute statement. It is "the right of the people," hence the right is connected to, and possessed by, the PEOPLE. To "keep and bear arms" obviously means to "maintain ownership and possession of," and "to carry upon one's person" arms (of the types that can be owned and carried). "Shall not be infringed" is the requirement no govt. may attack said right: the word "shall" is an "imperative," meaning it's not polite asking, it means "you WILL comply". The government CANNOT "infringe" the right. I think many either do not really understand or deliberately ignore this word. "Infringe" has two meanings in my dictionary; 1.) To intrude into. 2.) To diminish. If one cannot intrude into, say, a room, one may by definition not touch, alter, or enter into the room to perform any function in said room. If it must not be diminished, then by definition it must remain whole.
We have certain rational exclusions that have long been true; for example, felons and excons are generally prohibited from owning or carrying arms as they have been adjudicated guilty in a court of law. Children who are below "the age of understanding" cannot handle guns as they won't comprehend the consequences of misuse or might accidently hurt themselves or others.
But a adult who is in full possession of his rights, is not an excon, must not have his rights under the Second Amendment be abbreviated, diminished, or altered. In this sense, it is absolute.
Not ALL gun laws will necessarily injure 2A rights. A jurisdiction may decide that open carry is lawful, or that the weapon must be concealed. But one, the other, or both, must be permitted.
A point of contention may be conceal carry permits vs. "Constitutional Carry." Must a citizen request "permission" to carry? I suppose if the law is "must issue" such a law can be saidacceptable, but not "may issue," as capricious officials might deny a permit based on whim or political ideology.
Well said.
I think the felon/excon issue should be reconsidered. I don't think the Govt should take away someone's rights permanently short of a death sentence. If they have served their sentence and/or paid their debt, they should get their rights restored. Whether that is after release from prison or completion of parole, I don't know. I think it would trigger some changes in the way we do punishments if that were to happen.
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Well said.
I think the felon/excon issue should be reconsidered. I don't think the Govt should take away someone's rights permanently short of a death sentence. If they have served their sentence and/or paid their debt, they should get their rights restored. Whether that is after release from prison or completion of parole, I don't know. I think it would trigger some changes in the way we do punishments if that were to happen.
I agree with you on all points.
TommyGunn, your statement is dead-nuts accurate. Every pro- and anti-gun person needs to hear that over and over and over.
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Fremont County (Colorado) Sheriff's Department responds:
https://krdo.com/news/2021/04/09/law-enforcement-react-to-biden-gun-control-measures/
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I have the feeling that this video will be making the rounds as part of the anti-ebr agenda. I can't tell if it's a brace or stock. Seems like a rare instance of using an AR in this type of situation.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-mexico-police-officer-fatally-shot-in-the-head-during-routine-stop-in-february-video-shows
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As an aside, I am super surprised that standard capacity AR mags are still in good supply at fair prices. Magpul $12 mags are ubiquitous.
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As an aside, I am super surprised that standard capacity AR mags are still in good supply at fair prices. Magpul $12 mags are ubiquitous.
After the last couple of scares companies like Magpul flooded the market and people stuffed their closets full of them. I figured the market would get saturated eventually. Bet there's still warehouses full of them.
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After the last couple of scares companies like Magpul flooded the market and people stuffed their closets full of them. I figured the market would get saturated eventually. Bet there's still warehouses full of them.
But . . . where's the ammunition to load the mags with?
It's not a matter of the ammo being snapped up as soon as it hits the dealer's shelves - by and large, it's never reaching most dealer's shelves in the first place.
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From what I've seen, the ammo situation is slowly improving, albeit at prices notably higher than pre-panic.
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From what I've seen, the ammo situation is slowly improving, albeit at prices notably higher than pre-panic.
Most sellers are still limiting to 1 box per here locally.
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>10 mag ban bill submitted
Keep Americans Safe Act Submitted (Magazine Ban)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amnAbhjJAXw
https://www.menendez.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/keep_americans_safe_act.pdf
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Still waiting on my last order of 30 rd mags to come in...
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I’ve been buying a few here and there over the years...
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I wonder if this introduced legislation will start the yet unseen run/price increase on the 30 round AR mags?
I don't know that it will make it past the senate, but all it takes sometimes is the introduction to start the panic.
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Introducing a suppressor ban next:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/04/15/this-again-sen-dianne-feinstein-says-gun-suppressors-hide-the-sound-of-gunfire-from-potential-victims-and-law-enforcement/
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Introducing a suppressor ban next:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/04/15/this-again-sen-dianne-feinstein-says-gun-suppressors-hide-the-sound-of-gunfire-from-potential-victims-and-law-enforcement/
Yea well... come get it. Oh, and good luck with that. From Kansas state law:
Sec. 4. (a) A personal firearm, a firearm accessory or ammunition that is owned or manufactured commercially or privately in Kansas and that remains within the borders of Kansas is not subject to any federal law, treaty, federal regulation, or federal executive action, including any federal firearm or ammunition registration program, under the authority of congress to regulate interstate commerce. It is declared by the legislature that those items have not traveled in interstate commerce. This section applies to a firearm, a firearm accessory or ammunition that is owned or manufactured in the state of Kansas.
(b) "Firearms accessories" means items that are used in conjunction with or mounted upon a firearm but are not essential to the basic function of a firearm, including, but not limited to, telescopic or laser sights, magazines, flash or sound suppressors, collapsible or adjustable stocks and grips, pistol grips, thumbhole stocks, speedloaders, ammunition carriers and lights for target illumination.
Sec. 7. It is unlawful for any official, agent or employee of the government of the United States, or employee of a corporation providing services to the government of the United States to enforce or attempt to enforce any act, law, treaty, order, rule or regulation of the government of the United States upon a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that is owned or manufactured commercially or privately in the state of Kansas and that remains within the borders of Kansas. Violation of this section is a severity level 10 nonperson felony.
Should federal agents attempt to collect my suppressor, I will request that the Kansas state police enact a felony arrest of that person as they are committing a felony in the state of Kansas.
Kansas... we're a little prickly about our guns. Stay off our lawn.
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BIDEN: "The folks who own guns, they support universal background checks. The majority of them think we should not be selling assault weapons. Who in God’s name needs a weapon that can hold 100 rounds, or 40 rounds, or 20 rounds." pic.twitter.com/iQIKno5MnV
— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) April 16, 2021
Or 10 rounds or 5 rounds. Amiright?
Two rounds in the shotgun is all anybody needs. Or a musket.
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Or 10 rounds or 5 rounds. Amiright?
Two rounds in the shotgun is all anybody needs. Or a musket.
Guess I will look like Mel Gibson in the Patriot. 3-4 muskets, hatchet, hide a field piece in the barn or something. In lieu of that I have spent way too much getting all my 9mm AR parts enroute to my door. Can’t afford to build both powers out right now but have all the parts for one. Learning curve, first non 22 blowback gun ever. Need a dot sight now too. Argh...
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And now another shooting in Nebraska at a shopping mall. The Dems have to be behind this *expletive deleted*it.
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And now another shooting in Nebraska at a shopping mall. The Dems have to be behind this *expletive deleted*it.
One dead, one wounded. Not a mass shooting. And there was another shooting at the same mall a month ago, with only one person (a police officer) wounded.
Not a Democrat operation -- not enough body count.
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And now another shooting in Nebraska at a shopping mall. The Dems have to be behind this *expletive deleted*it.
Maybe! But, it's easy to deceive ourselves based on our own preconceptions. If there was some data source that we could TRUST about mass shootings, we could draw some conclusions. I don't trust the MSM, obviously. I don't trust many official figures published by US government agencies. But, we have a member that has been meticulous in analyzing and recording this information, and I trust him.
So, I put it to Hawkmoon: Based on the information you have collected, have mass shooting increased during the Biden presidency?
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So, I put it to Hawkmoon: Based on the information you have collected, have mass shooting increased during the Biden presidency?
I have logged 11 events for 2021, all since Biden took office:
- Buffalo, MN (Allina Clinic) - 1 killed, 4 wounded
- New Orleans (George Washington Carver HS) - 1 killed, none wounded
- Pine Bluff, AR (Watson Chapel Jr. HS) - none killed, 1 wounded
- Indianapolis, IN (Domestic dispute) - 4 killed, 1 wounded
- Atlanta, GA (Massage parlor shootings) - 8 killed, 1 wounded
- Boulder, CO (King Sooper's) - 10 killed, 0 wounded
- Virginia Beach, VA (Atlantic Ave - Domestic? Gang?) - 0 killed, 8 wounded
- Orange, CA (Unified Homes) - 4 killed, 1 wounded
- Rock Hill, SC (Lesslie murders) - 6 killed, 0 wounded
- Knoxville, TN (Austin East Magnet HS) - 1 killed, 1 wounded
- Indianapolis, IN (FedEx) - 8 killed, 7 wounded
Trump took office in 2017. There was one incident on January 6, 2017 (so under Obama), and two in April. I show 22 incidents total for 2017, including the one on January 6.
For 2018 I have 34 incidents for the year. (18 through April)
For 2019 I have 31 incidents for the year. (10 through April)
For 2020 I have 10 incidents for the year. (2 through April)
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Our perceptions are distorted by the volume of stories about an event that occur and how long they cover an event, how the stories are framed and whether the politicians are making official statements and talking about the event.
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Just ran across this article and it's apropos to this discussion.
"The US has reported at least 45 mass shootings in the last month"
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/16/us/mass-shootings-45-one-month/index.html
Trusting anything reported by the government media complex opens you up to manipulation.
All media, not just the "leftist" stuff.
From the extreme left to the hard core right and everything in between, it is increasingly difficult to separate true information from disinformation.
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Just ran across this article and it's apropos to this discussion.
Trusting anything reported by the government media complex opens you up to manipulation.
All media, not just the "leftist" stuff.
From the extreme left to the hard core right and everything in between, it is increasingly difficult to separate true information from disinformation.
I'm sure my database isn't complete. It began as a way to track school shootings. Then I expanded it to cover mass shootings in public places -- random attacks in places like malls, churches, and synagogues. However, one "official" definition just includes any incident in which three or more people are shot -- not necessarily in public places. So that leaves it open to domestic disputes, gang warfare, drug deals that go bad, etc. While those kinds of incidents aren't good, they aren't the kind of incident most people worry about when the media talks about "mass shootings," and so I generally don't count them.
The recent Lesslie shooting wasn't in a public place, it was at the doctor's home. But it also wasn't a domestic dispute, and two workers from an a/c company who happened to be at the site were also killed, so I decided to include it.
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^I reject most everything CNN reports out of hand and assume that the opposite of their reporting is potentially closer to the truth.
Has anyone else seen the reporting on the big "ghost gun" bust in Spain? They are definitely setting the table to go after 3-D printing of firearms.
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^I reject most everything CNN reports out of hand and assume that the opposite of their reporting is potentially closer to the truth.
I do the same with them and other MSM outlets. I'm sure people on the other side do the same with Fox. This is the state of our news reporting and people's trust (regardless of politics) in it. It seems that the "5 Ws" of reporting are pretty much dead.
I am still happy with the Epoch Times, since their one big bias is their anti-CCP stance, and that's easily recognizable. Their other reporting seems to be closer to reporting facts without opinion than most.
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Maybe he'll recommend you buy two.
Yeah right
Myself as a public health person, I think you can’t run away from [gun violence]. I mean when you see people getting killed, I mean, in this last month it’s just been horrifying what’s happened. How can you say that’s not a public health issue?
— Dr. Anthony Fauci
Dr. Anthony Fauci Looks for the Next Big Public Health Battle: Guns
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dr-anthony-fauci-looks-for-the-next-big-public-health-battle-guns/
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Maybe he'll recommend you buy two.
Yeah right
Dr. Anthony Fauci Looks for the Next Big Public Health Battle: Guns
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dr-anthony-fauci-looks-for-the-next-big-public-health-battle-guns/
What is old is new again. There is still a law saying the CDC is not supposed to use their budget for gun control studies.
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I doubt there are any more shootings now than there have ever been. There are just more of them being reported, advertised, and glorified (gore-ified is more accurate.)
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What is old is new again. There is still a law saying the CDC is not supposed to use their budget for gun control studies.
There's also one that says "Shall Not Be Infringed" that they're ignoring
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What is old is new again. There is still a law saying the CDC is not supposed to use their budget for gun control studies.
When did the democraps start caring about laws?
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When did the democraps start caring about laws?
They seem to care a great deal about everyone else following laws, just not themselves.
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I have to admit that I was unaware of this "oversight authority" nor that Trump removed it when he was in (another stealth move by Trump, and one that I guess many of his supporters were unaware of).
Between it being The Hill, and the dumbass politicians they interviewed, I'm guessing there is a ton of inaccurate firearms related language here. But "sniper rifles"? Again? We're back to banning Savage 110s? I guess the bright side might be that it will rile up some of the Fudds that are fine with EBR bans. I'll have to mention this to the old guy (a Fudd) that I hunt with. :laugh:
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/549065-senate-democrats-call-on-biden-to-restore-oversight-of-semiautomatic-and
EDIT: Oh, as an entertaining (or aggravating) tangent, check out the comments to this article. Not just on guns, but the people who read The Hill believe crap like this (a commenter responding to someone stating that with groups like antifa, people want to be armed):
Show us Antifa. Show us their leaders, where they meet, what destruction they have caused. From what I can tell, they are just a right-wing bogeyman
How locked down and narrow do your news sources need to be to actually believe this?
EDIT 2: I guess this is foreign sales. Still, bringing in nebulous terms like "sniper rifle" will have domestic gun control connotations.
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I suspect next up will be an attempt to ban any ammo that can defeat police body armor.
Of course most any center fire rifle round will do that but that wont be the focus..
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I suspect next up will be an attempt to ban any ammo that can defeat police body armor.
Of course most any center fire rifle round will do that but that wont be the focus..
Sen Kennedy proposed that very thing back in the 80s.
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The left is as relentless as the "right" is capitulating.
Amazingly the gun issue is the one place where the right has been able to bend but not be broken, holding the line and pushing back.
Hold the line!
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The left is as relentless as the "right" is capitulating.
Amazingly the gun issue is the one place where the right has been able to bend but not be broken, holding the line and pushing back.
Hold the line!
The R's seem to do that more when they are in the minority.
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Sen Kennedy proposed that very thing back in the 80s.
So did Clinton when he was President.
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Sen Kennedy proposed that very thing back in the 80s.
I heard that loathsome piece of *expletive deleted*it is going to be 12 years sober this fall.
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I have to admit that I was unaware of this "oversight authority" nor that Trump removed it when he was in (another stealth move by Trump, and one that I guess many of his supporters were unaware of).
Between it being The Hill, and the dumbass politicians they interviewed, I'm guessing there is a ton of inaccurate firearms related language here. But "sniper rifles"? Again? We're back to banning Savage 110s? I guess the bright side might be that it will rile up some of the Fudds that are fine with EBR bans. I'll have to mention this to the old guy (a Fudd) that I hunt with. :laugh:
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/549065-senate-democrats-call-on-biden-to-restore-oversight-of-semiautomatic-and
EDIT: Oh, as an entertaining (or aggravating) tangent, check out the comments to this article. Not just on guns, but the people who read The Hill believe crap like this (a commenter responding to someone stating that with groups like antifa, people want to be armed):
How locked down and narrow do your news sources need to be to actually believe this?
EDIT 2: I guess this is foreign sales. Still, bringing in nebulous terms like "sniper rifle" will have domestic gun control connotations.
I have said it before a few times...after “assault rifles” the focus will be on “high powered sniper rifles” and “deadly street sweepers”...aka deer rifles and shotguns..
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I heard that loathsome piece of *expletive deleted*it is going to be 12 years sober this fall.
What you did there, I see. <yoda>
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I heard that loathsome piece of *expletive deleted*it is going to be 12 years sober this fall.
Well, he has had plenty of time to "dry out". >:D
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Leaked ATF Document Details Biden Plan to Ban ‘Ghost Guns’
https://thereload.com/leaked-atf-document-details-biden-plans-to-ban-ghost-guns/
The document reworks and broadens the definition of what parts constitute a regulated firearm receiver. It then says any unfinished part that “may readily be converted” into a receiver must be treated as a receiver and requires sellers to obtain federal licenses, mark the unfinished parts with serial numbers, and perform background checks on buyers. The proposal provides only subjective standards for what makes an unfinished part “readily” convertible into a finished firearm but provides footnotes to court cases where the term has been applied. One court example included in the document said a part completed in “around an eight-hour working day in a properly equipped machine shop” was considered “readily” convertible. The only example of a ruling defining when a part is not “readily” convertible involved a process that “required [a] master gunsmith in a gun shop and $65,000 worth of equipment and tools.”
The document also lays out plans to broaden and update the federal definition of firearms receiver to correct a problem with the ATF’s interpretation of the current definition. Courts have begun questioning the ATF’s long-running determination that an AR-15 lower is a receiver despite not including several of the parts required in the current definition. Prosecutors have been forced to drop cases involving the ATF’s determination in recent years.
Video
ATF Leaked Document Reveals Rule Changes, Definition Changes, and MORE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAnLnMYgLww
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So we have to serialize all pieces of metal now. And shovels because I have seen an AK reciever made out of a shovel. Serialize #D printer filament too.
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The document reworks and broadens the definition of what parts constitute a regulated firearm receiver. It then says any unfinished part that “may readily be converted” into a receiver must be treated as a receiver and requires sellers to obtain federal licenses, mark the unfinished parts with serial numbers, and perform background checks on buyers. The proposal provides only subjective standards for what makes an unfinished part “readily” convertible into a finished firearm but provides footnotes to court cases where the term has been applied. One court example included in the document said a part completed in “around an eight-hour working day in a properly equipped machine shop” was considered “readily” convertible. The only example of a ruling defining when a part is not “readily” convertible involved a process that “required [a] master gunsmith in a gun shop and $65,000 worth of equipment and tools.”
That is... extremely broad.
Assuming I had the fixture plates made up ahead of time, and the taps/reamers needed - with some practice runs - I believe I could go from a 0% AR lower forging to a functional lower in my machine shop in under 8 hours.
Hell, people have made them for like, cutting boards laminated together, haven't they? Think a guy even did one out of wood.
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ATF Says Serialize Everything With Retired Agent Vince Cefalu/ Hank Strange WMMF Podcast Ep. 750
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WziEXEikLY
Hank Strange has Vince Cefalu on his show this evening talking about the leaked rules and the new BATFE nominee. I have only caught the first 1/2 hour so far and it sounds pretty good.
He didn't talk a great deal about the ATF nominee, but he thought the nomination would never get out of committee and he didn't have anything good to say about the man. Also some spirited debate about gun laws. This guy approaches things from the perspective of a federal agent, but he seems to be general agreement with gun rights and freedom.
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And now another shooting in Nebraska at a shopping mall. The Dems have to be behind this *expletive deleted*it.
It is not a conspiracy, but it is not a coincidence either.
We have around 330 million people in the country.
A tiny fraction are crazy evil nut jobs consumed with feelings of inferiority and entitlement.
The media deliberately hypes these types of crimes for ratings and to attempt to pass gun controls. They obsess over the motives and identity of these worthless losers, making them famous. If the perps survive to go to prison, large numbers of girls write them love letters. At least one of these swine had his cell wall plastered with bikini pics sent to him by these women.
Then surprise! Crazies get the correct idea that the easiest way to become famous and "important" is murder a lot of innocent people. These bastards study each others crimes and try to up each other.
The copycat phenomenon is very well documented.
If our media would stop giving these jackasses what the want, there would not be as many of them.
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That is... extremely broad.
Assuming I had the fixture plates made up ahead of time, and the taps/reamers needed - with some practice runs - I believe I could go from a 0% AR lower forging to a functional lower in my machine shop in under 8 hours.
Hell, people have made them for like, cutting boards laminated together, haven't they? Think a guy even did one out of wood.
I could 100 percent go from flat 1/8" steel to a functional lower in less than 8 hours. Without a CNC.
I suspect I could go from flat sheets of 1/8" acrylic and a chunk of aluminum to a functional lower in about 2 hours with my laser.
All pipe must now be serialized.
Entertainingly enough, you know what can't make an AR lower in 8 hours? A 3D printer. That takes about 2 days.
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I could 100 percent go from flat 1/8" steel to a functional lower in less than 8 hours. Without a CNC.
I suspect I could go from flat sheets of 1/8" acrylic and a chunk of aluminum to a functional lower in about 2 hours with my laser.
All pipe must now be serialized.
Entertainingly enough, you know what can't make an AR lower in 8 hours? A 3D printer. That takes about 2 days.
I've thought about the flooding the system angle. Depending on the definitions and process of serializing, particularly if there's a grandfathering process that doesn't cost anything to register existing ghost guns.... Form 2's go Brrrr.....
One could pretty easily take, say a F150, and within the confines of their definitions make a lower out of it. Thereby making every F150 owner in construction possession. The problem is that antics like this are just ignored by the legal system, they impart no change in the status quo. A shoelace and an M1 is technically constructive possession of a MG under current rulings, right? Yet no one is ever charged with that one, but the law still sits there, threatening to bite anyone.
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I've thought about the flooding the system angle. Depending on the definitions and process of serializing, particularly if there's a grandfathering process that doesn't cost anything to register existing ghost guns.... Form 2's go Brrrr.....
One could pretty easily take, say a F150, and within the confines of their definitions make a lower out of it. Thereby making every F150 owner in construction possession. The problem is that antics like this are just ignored by the legal system, they impart no change in the status quo. A shoelace and an M1 is technically constructive possession of a MG under current rulings, right? Yet no one is ever charged with that one, but the law still sits there, threatening to bite anyone.
This is not 1994. This definition will get challenged in court in .32 seconds. Lawyers will stand there with slam fire shotguns and point out they take 10 min to build. F150's will be brought up, as will the aforementioned shovels, AR flats receiver plans, Sterling plans, the Aero rifle, and I don't know how many others.
This will force actual a judicial ruling on the ATF's "interpretation" of 27 CFR 478.11 vs. it's plain text. I won't guarantee a win for our side, but the pretty clear legal answer is that it has to go back to the Legislature for rewording. Honestly, the words "readily restored to...." only apply to machine guns, not firearms as a whole. This isn't even a 2nd amendment issue. This is an issue of regulatory agency vs. legislation.
Could the courts say "*expletive deleted*ck 'em" and decide to turn a blind eye? Sure, wouldn't even really surprise me. But at least will know how for down the slope we really are.
If that happens I guess we can all climb n the Defund the Police bandwagon.
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Bill to make silencers illegal with no grandfathering.
H.R.3454 - Help Empower Americans to Respond Act
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/3454/text
Bills Look To Both Remove Silencers From NFA As Well As To Make Them Illegal Nationwide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK-IO-5NJz8
Edit: Just noticed that bill is from June 2019
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Funny how it seems just right after they propose a ban on something we get a highly publicized incident with that very thing. [tinfoil]
GRAPHIC: ‘Ghost gun’ used in San Diego shooting that killed 1, injured 4
https://www.wave3.com/2021/04/23/police-dead-wounded-downtown-san-diego-shooting/
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There is no such thing as a coincidence.
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/montana-governor-signs-bill-to-protect-second-amendment-from-federal-gun-restrictions
Montana Gov. Greg Gianforte signed a bill into law Friday that's intended to protect gun owners in the state from any new federal regulations or bans on firearms.
"Today, I proudly signed Rep. [Jedediah] Hinkle's law prohibiting federal overreach into our Second Amendment-protected rights, including any federal ban on firearms," Gianforte, a Republican, wrote on Twitter. "I will always protect our #2A right to keep and bear arms."
Good for him. Not sure how much weight this law will actually carry.
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I wonder if AR mag supplies are starting to dry up? Primary Arms is not raising prices yet, but they have dropped their order limit to three mags per order.
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Not that I’ve seen for AR Mags. I’ve been buying a few 10 packs of Gen 2 Magpuls here. https://dsgarms.com/magazines-dsgtenpack01
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I must take exception to this:
(of the types that can be owned and carried)
Nothing in the Second Amendment limits the keeping and bearing of arms to only those which can be afforded or hefted.
My great grandfather, a whaling captain with his own ship, owned cannon and bore them on his ship, no special license, permit, or caliber restrictions. He could afford them. He could bear them on his ship. No law said he couldn't. The Second Amendment prohibited anyone from creating such a law. No amendment has altered the Second Amendment. Ergo, the Second Amendment means the same now as then, and the right protected is as absolute now as then. No court of law can change that. The right existed long before any court in this land - or any other land for that matter - was created.
The need to keep and bear arms is no less relevant and essential now as it was any time in the past.
Woody
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Hell, the early government depended on those private ship owners, issuing them letters of marque which was an official blessing for them use their private arms to attack and plunder the British Navy.
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Hell, the early government depended on those private ship owners, issuing them letters of marque which was an official blessing for them use their private arms to attack and plunder the British Navy.
It needs to be brought up more as a counter-argument every time one of these dumbasses brings up the "but muskets" line. I want my own Littoral Combat Ship.
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(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sMy3k4EJDIY/ULj0uiuTcxI/AAAAAAAAHEU/AHyzaI_gpgY/s1600/Letter+of+Marque.jpg)
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Not that I’ve seen for AR Mags. I’ve been buying a few 10 packs of Gen 2 Magpuls here. https://dsgarms.com/magazines-dsgtenpack01
I received my 10 mag order from them yesterday.
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It needs to be brought up more as a counter-argument every time one of these dumbasses brings up the "but muskets" line. I want my own Littoral Combat Ship.
I'm sure there's a pressing need for those where you live ...
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BREAKING: DOJ Publishes Proposed ‘Ghost Gun’ Rules, Outlawing Unserialized 80% Lowers, ‘Modernizing’ Receiver Definition
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/breaking-doj-publishes-proposed-ghost-gun-rules-outlawing-80-lowers-modernizing-receiver-definition/
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I'm sure there's a pressing need for those where you live ...
Hey, we have submarines. =)
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Hey, we have submarines. =)
We've got a submarine in Oklahoma too.
In fact, I could launch my boat in the navigation channel less than 40 miles from my house and "sail" to the Gulf of Mexico.
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BREAKING: DOJ Publishes Proposed ‘Ghost Gun’ Rules, Outlawing Unserialized 80% Lowers, ‘Modernizing’ Receiver Definition
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/breaking-doj-publishes-proposed-ghost-gun-rules-outlawing-80-lowers-modernizing-receiver-definition/
Hello 3-D printing.
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Under the proposed rule, a “frame or receiver” is any externally visible housing or holding structure for one or more fire control components. A “fire control component” is one necessary for the firearm to initiate, complete, or continue the firing sequence, including, but not limited to, any of the following: hammer, bolt, bolt carrier, breechblock, cylinder, trigger mechanism, firing pin, striker, or slide rails.
Any firearm part falling within the new definition that is identified with a serial number must be presumed, absent an official determination by ATF or other reliable evidence to the contrary, to be a frame or receiver.
Yet another ATF rule that literally ignores the law.
Sounds like uppers might be in the crosshairs.
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To help keep guns from being sold to convicted felons and other prohibited purchasers, the rule would make clear that retailers must run background checks before selling kits that contain the parts necessary for someone to readily make a gun at home.
I wonder if they'll try to shoehorn stuff like PSA rifle kits (sans the stripped lower) into this? "Readily make" could certainly be defined in many ways.
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I wonder if they'll try to shoehorn stuff like PSA rifle kits (sans the stripped lower) into this? "Readily make" could certainly be defined in many ways.
The upper alone would be a receiver under these rules.
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Any externally visible housing or holding structure for a fire control part? Wear a case of triggers on your belt, congrats, you are now that state registered deadly weapon the braggy guy in boot camp claimed he was.
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The upper alone would be a receiver under these rules.
The rule states that split receiver designs that already have a determination (i.e. an AR15 design) will continue to use that determination as to what is a frame. So they aren't trying to regulate AR uppers.
The "is designed to" language would seem to kill any commercial 80% (or 10% for that matter) frames.
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The rule states that split receiver designs that already have a determination (i.e. an AR15 design) will continue to use that determination as to what is a frame. So they aren't trying to regulate AR uppers.
The rule unambiguously defines the upper as a receiver and does so in direct conflict of what the law says. While there might be a determination right now, has the ATF ever changed a determination?
Also:
If the ATF lawyers thought they could do that, they would have by now. They have dropped criminal cases and let people go over this issue, which you just know had to hurt their little black hearts.
There is no part (singular, as the definition is clearly singular) on many modern firearms that fits the legal definition of "receiver". It will take legislative action to change that definition. Those are facts. That can't be reinterpreted.
Your faith in the ATF has not aged well.
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Your faith in the ATF has not aged well.
indeed, my prediction has not.
I have learned more about the differences in Federal Law, Federal regulations, and rulemaking. With new info I have had to update my thinking. i.e.:
The rule unambiguously defines the upper as a receiver and does so in direct conflict of what the law says. While there might be a determination right now, has the ATF ever changed a determination?
Is an untrue statement. Federal LAW does not define an upper or lower.
I answered your speculation on what THIS proposed rule says. If DOJ decides to update this rule again, then we would have to update our conversation. But for now, ATF is explicitly not trying to serialize or treat as a receiver AR15 uppers. There's enough bad in the new rule to deal with without inventing more problems.
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Federal law defines what a receiver is. I never said it defines what is an upper or lower.
This proposed rule would not require any update for the ATF to determine that uppers need to be serialized and transferred via FFL. It would be entirely up to the ATF to make determinations at that point.
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Federal law defines what a receiver is. I never said it defines what is an upper or lower.
This proposed rule would not require any update for the ATF to determine that uppers need to be serialized and transferred via FFL. It would be entirely up to the ATF to make determinations at that point.
It does not. The receiver definition is a CFR, not a law. Which we are all discovering is changed by the rulemaking process, not legislation.
Federal Law gives the director the regulatory authority to adjust the definition through the rule making process.
This proposed rule would not require any update for the ATF to determine that uppers need to be serialized and transferred via FFL. It would be entirely up to the ATF to make determinations at that point.
This is also untrue, as the proposed rule specifically lists AR type multi-part receivers as not changing their determination as to which part is the receiver. So if they wanted to include an AR upper, they would have to go through the rulemaking process again.
Have you read the actual rule, as opposed to the bloggers EXSUMS of it?
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It does not. The receiver definition is a CFR, not a law. Which we are all discovering is changed by the rulemaking process, not legislation.
Federal Law gives the director the regulatory authority to adjust the definition through the rule making process.
That's mostly accurate, although while CFR may not be legislation it is by any reasonable definition law.
This is also untrue, as the proposed rule specifically lists AR type multi-part receivers as not changing their determination as to which part is the receiver. So if they wanted to include an AR upper, they would have to go through the rulemaking process again.
Given the change in rule is explicitly designed to be less exclusive and narrow, and allows the ATF significant latitude in determining what is and is not a receiver, and given that the upper receiver of an AR-15 does contain the bolt and bolt carrier as per the listed definition, and given that the ATF can and has changed determinations in the past, what in the rule would prevent the ATF from issuing a simple determination that an upper is a receiver absent going through the rulemaking process?
All 115 pages? No. Have you? I've read parts of it directly, though.
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All 115 pages? No. Have you? I've read parts of it directly, though.
Yes, I did.
That's mostly accurate, although while CFR may not be legislation it is by any reasonable definition law.
Given the change in rule is explicitly designed to be less exclusive and narrow, and allows the ATF significant latitude in determining what is and is not a receiver, and given that the upper receiver of an AR-15 does contain the bolt and bolt carrier as per the listed definition, and given that the ATF can and has changed determinations in the past, what in the rule would prevent the ATF from issuing a simple determination that an upper is a receiver absent going through the rulemaking process?
AR-15-type, and Beretta AR-70-type firearms: the lower part of the weapon
that provides housing for the trigger mechanism and hammer.
There's a picture as well. It's on page 86 They would have to edit the rule again, through the rule making process.
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Any insight as to how the proposed rule change affects existing unserialized frames, or firearms that have already been completed on such?
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As the proposed rule explains, from 2016 to 2020, more than 23,000 un-serialized firearms were reported to have been recovered by law enforcement from potential crime scenes
No doubt they're associating 80% lowers in with firearms where the S/N was scratched off in that number.
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Any insight as to how the proposed rule change affects existing unserialized frames, or firearms that have already been completed on such?
The ATF has taken to calling those Privately Manufactured Firearms (PMF). It's a long rule, but briefly:
o PMF's in private hands are not affected.
o Non-licensees may manufacture PMF's with no marking requirements.
o A PMF that enters a FFL's inventory MUST be serialized by that FFL within 7 days. (Definitely applies to normal FFL's, may apply to gunsmiths.) The serial must begin with the FFL's abbreviated license number as a prefix, then have an identifying number.
On unfinished frames: This rule would effectively make them firearms. (there's some verbose wording, but they are clearly aiming for P80's and 80% AR lowers), so after the rule's adoption commercial 80% makers would need to serialize, pay excise tax, and be licensed Manufacturers. There's no word in here how they intend to tell if when any particular 80% lower was made and sold. So for example: I have 5 or 6 unfinished frames lying around my house. Upon rule adoption, those are magically now firearms but as a non-licensee I am not required to mark any of my PMF's, so nothing should change for me, I think. If my local gun shop has a bunch of unfinished lowers in stock, they magically become firearms, the FFL must mark them, enter them in the bound book, and sell them as firearm*. If a prohibited person has an unfinished lower right now, upon rule adoption they are in possession of a firearm, and a felon. The rule seems pretty dang broad and vague as to what level of unfinished chunk of metal is a firearm:
Partially complete, disassembled, or inoperable frame or receiver. The term “frame or receiver” shall include, in the case of a frame or receiver that is partially complete, disassembled, or inoperable, a frame or receiver that has reached a stage in manufacture where it may readily be completed, assembled, converted, or restored to a functional state. In determining whether a partially complete, disassembled, or inoperable frame or receiver may readily be assembled, completed, converted, or restored to a functional state, the Director may consider any available instructions, guides, templates, jigs, equipment, tools, or marketing materials. For purposes of this definition, the term “partially complete,” as it modifies “frame or receiver,” means a forging, casting, printing, extrusion, machined body or similar article that has reached a stage in manufacture where it is clearly identifiable as an unfinished component part of a weapon
*It is unclear to me in the case of existing inventory at a 01 FFL on magic firearm transfiguration day, who is required to pay the excise task, and whether the 01 FFL has just manufactured firearms for sale without a license.
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No doubt they're associating 80% lowers in with firearms the S/N scratched off in that number.
That was my thought, as well. They're not the most ethical in how they sling their statistics.
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No doubt they're associating 80% lowers in with firearms where the S/N was scratched off in that number.
There were a lot of firearms commercially manufactured in the past (Pre '68?) that never had a serial number, and they've still been legal. I believe the law prohibits possession of a firearm that has had the serial number removed or altered, it does NOT prohibit possession of a firearm that never had a serial number applied which was made at a time when serial numbers weren't required.
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There were a lot of firearms commercially manufactured in the past (Pre '68?) that never had a serial number, and they've still been legal. I believe the law prohibits possession of a firearm that has had the serial number removed or altered, it does NOT prohibit possession of a firearm that never had a serial number applied which was made at a time when serial numbers weren't required.
What that have to do with pushing a narrative?
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There's a picture as well. It's on page 86 They would have to edit the rule again, through the rule making process.
I agree that the current rules don’t make an upper a serial numbered receiver, but can you show me where it says they would have to go through the rulemaking process again to add an additional receiver designation?
Everything I see indicates that the list is non-exhaustive and can be added to based solely on the determination of the ATF. I agree that to add an upper would appear to conflict with what they are claiming to want to do, but it is way less of a stretch than bumpstocks being machine guns.
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I agree that the current rules don’t make an upper a serial numbered receiver, but can you show me where it says they would have to go through the rulemaking process again to add an additional receiver designation?
Everything I see indicates that the list is non-exhaustive and can be added to based solely on the determination of the ATF. I agree that to add an upper would appear to conflict with what they are claiming to want to do, but it is way less of a stretch than bumpstocks being machine guns.
I literally quoted it. The rule (if adopted) verbatim says that in an AR-15 the lower receiver is the "receiver". They would have to remove that paragraph from the rule to make any other part of an AR-15 the "receiver". The way you do that (remove a paragraph) is the rulemaking process. (notice of proposed rule change, public comment, final rule change, publishing in federal register)
I think a lot of people don't understand what they did with the bump stock thing (which, you will recall, lost in court). If they had a CFR that literally said "A bump stock is not a machine gun" then they couldn't have made it one with a determination letter.
IANAL, but I did spend the last 30 days reading about 600 pages on Laws, CFRs, rulemaking, and regulatory authority because the white house brought it up.
This is only the proposed rule change, so it may change before final adoption, but the rule, as proposed explicitly says the lower of an AR is THE[/i] receiver for the purposes of federal law.
The only caveat I see is that they mention if you combine the frames of two different weapons into one firearm, both frames remain firearms in their own right:
(2) Frames or receivers of different weapons that are combined to create a similar weapon each retain their respective classifications as frames or receivers provided they retain their original design and configuration.
This is referring (I suspect) to .50 BMG uppers, since they have previously been determined to be firearms. A "normal" AR upper, as it exists today, is not a "different weapon" then the lower and falls under the spelled out definition I quoted above.
If you were to design some new fangled something that pins to an AR, after the adoption of the new rule you would need to submit that for a determination, because that's not an "AR tybe" firearm. Future versions of the belt-fed upper or AR57 may find themselves a firearm in their own right.
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I literally quoted it. The rule (if adopted) verbatim says that in an AR-15 the lower receiver is the "receiver". They would have to remove that paragraph from the rule to make any other part of an AR-15 the "receiver". The way you do that (remove a paragraph) is the rulemaking process. (notice of proposed rule change, public comment, final rule change, publishing in federal register)
That illustration is not the rule. It is specifically referenced as one of several "nonexclusive examples that illustrate the definition."
The relevant portion of the actual definition is:
A part of a firearm that, when the complete weapon is assembled, is visible from the exterior and provides housing or a structure designed to hold or integrate one or more fire control components, even if pins or other attachments are required to connect those components to the housing or structure. Any such part identified with a serial number shall be presumed, absent an official determination by the Director or other reliable evidence to the contrary, to be a frame or receiver. For purposes of this definition, the term “fire control component” means a component necessary for the firearm to initiate, complete, or continue the firing sequence, including any of the following: hammer, bolt, bolt carrier, breechblock, cylinder, trigger mechanism, firing pin, striker, or slide rails.
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(b) Split or modular frame or receiver. (1) In the case of a firearm with more than one part that provides housing or a structure designed to hold or integrate one or more fire control or essential internal components (e.g., a split frame with upper assembly
and lower assembly as in many semiautomatic rifles, upper slide assembly and lower grip module as in many semiautomatic handguns, or multiple silencer modular pieces), the Director may determine whether a specific part or parts of a weapon is the frame or receiver, which may include an internal frame or chassis at least partially exposed to the exterior to allow identification. In making this determination, the Director will consider the following factors, with no single factor being controlling:
(i) Which component the manufacturer intended to be the frame or receiver;
(ii) Which component the firearms industry commonly considers to be the frame or receiver with respect to the same or similar firearms;
(iii) How the component fits within the overall design of the firearm when assembled;
(iv) The design and function of the fire control components to be housed or integrated;
(v) Whether the component may permanently, conspicuously, and legibly be identified with a serial number and other markings in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed;
(vi) Whether classifying the particular component is consistent with the legislative intent of the Act and this part; and
(vii) Whether classifying the component as the frame or receiver is consistent with ATF’s prior classifications.
This proposed rule gives the ATF the independent authority to determine what component or components are receivers so long as they meet the very broad definition of:
1. Being visible from the exterior
2. Holding or integrating any fire control components
This clearly could be used to identify an upper receiver as a firearm receiver. As you point out, there is also nothing precluding multiple registered components on an assembled firearm.
To be fair to you, the proposal also says they aren't trying to change existing determinations and the rule implies deference to previous determinations as well as industry and manufacturer acceptance, however the stated intent of the rule does not necessarily impact the rule itself. It clearly places the ATF in the position of making receiver determinations based on a broad definition which could easily apply to multiple components without going through the rulemaking process again.
Also probably good to keep in mind that for the past 50 or so years we've relied on the existing definition - despite (per the ATF themselves in this proposed change) that definition not literally applying to most modern firearms. Regardless, they have enforced it as though it did. Only when pressed in court did they back down, and then only by stopping prosecution of individual cases. You seem to think that if we broaden the definition the ATF will suddenly decide to limit themselves and not continue their overreach. I don't have the same faith in that agency.
I think a lot of people don't understand what they did with the bump stock thing (which, you will recall, lost in court).
Are you under the impression that the bumpstock ban has been overturned? Also, as I recall last time it came up you defended the bumpstock ban as totally kosher. Have you changed your position on that as well? We've discussed it at some length before, but if there's something you think I don't understand about it I'd love to correct my lack of understanding.
If they had a CFR that literally said "A bump stock is not a machine gun" then they couldn't have made it one with a determination letter.
For the past 50 years they made AR lowers into receivers despite the CFR that literally said they weren't. So...
This is only the proposed rule change, so it may change before final adoption, but the rule, as proposed explicitly says the lower of an AR is THE[/i] receiver for the purposes of federal law.
Interestingly, the proposed rule states:
The following is a nonexclusive list of such weapons and the specific part identified as the frame or receiver as they existed on [date of publication of the final rule]:
That seems to imply that these determinations could readily change and considering that based on the rule the ATF can independently define what a receiver is within the broad limits of the rule I don't see this as formally limiting the ATF in the way you assume it will.
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With the caveat that I am confused, Mrgunsngear did a video on this that seems to indicate an upper could be included based on the language. The section from the proposed rule is too long for me to type, but below is where he displays it in his video, so you can go to the link and pause it to read. It says that "frame or receiver" could include the bolt and bolt carrier group.
https://youtu.be/KIqG-c03QTE?t=129
On the tangent, I find it interesting that ATF uses "silencer" rather than "suppressor". While "silencer" is the commonly used nomenclature for the general public I guess, we all know there's no such thing as a silencer. The tin foil part of me can't help but think it's language manipulation to assist in banning "devices that make guns silent".
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On the tangent, I find it interesting that ATF uses "silencer" rather than "suppressor". While "silencer" is the commonly used nomenclature for the general public I guess, we all know there's no such thing as a silencer. The tin foil part of me can't help but think it's language manipulation to assist in banning "devices that make guns silent".
Maxim called them silencers in his 1909 patent so blame him
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Cordex, you and I are reading that proposed rule differently. Sub para 3 says:
The Director has previously determined that a specific part is the frame or
receiver with respect to certain weapons with split or modular frames or receivers. The
following is a nonexclusive list of such weapons and the specific part identified as the
frame or receiver as they existed on [date of publication of the final rule]:
In that paragraph "nonexclusive list of such weapons" means that there are more weapons with split receivers that the Director has made determinations on, but they are only putting some in the actual rule) and "as they existed on ..." means as the weapons (or weapon type) existed, not as the determination existed.
Under that sub para v says:
AR-15-type, and Beretta AR-70-type firearms: the lower part of the weapon that provides housing for the trigger mechanism and hammer.
The receiver of an AR is defined in the rule. They would have to remove sub para "v" to make a new determination.
Perhaps I am wrong, as I am not a lawyer, but that's what it says to my reading.
Bump Stock Ban article:
https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/26/federal-appeals-court-rules-trumps-bump-stock-ban-is-unconstitutional/
I confess I don't know exactly where in the legal wrangling that case is right now, and I think there may be a case in the 10 circuit as well. In 2020 the SCOTUS declined to hear about the bump stock ban, so I have no idea where it will end up. But at least in the 6th circuit there is an injunction against enforcing it.
With out digging through all my old posts on the matter, I think I felt at the time that the bumpstock ban was consistent with their previous machine gun rulings (shoelace/garand, akins accelerator, and electric motor switches becoming the "new" trigger.) I'm not sure I would say "completely kosher" but at least consistent. I may have even said something like "within the scope of the determinatiion authority they have used before" or some such. If the Federal courts would care to disagree with me, I'd be happy to be corrected.
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“In short, David Chipman is uniquely qualified to lead ATF. He has deep experience at that agency, and he is ready to work with law enforcement, the communities most heavily impacted by violence, and others to make our nation safer while upholding Americans’ Second Amendment rights,” the letter states.
[barf]
17 Democrat Attorneys General: David Chipman is ‘Uniquely Qualified to Lead ATF’
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/17-democrat-attorneys-general-david-chipman-is-uniquely-qualified-to-lead-atf/
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He burns kids real good is what they mean.
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The proposed rule change is now open for public comment on Regulations.gov.
https://www.regulations.gov/document/ATF-2021-0001-0001
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MidwayUSA has all their pistol braces on sale .
All that I checked say this in the listing
Due to safety considerations and legal/regulatory reasons, Pistol Braces may not be returned. Defective items must be returned to the manufacturer.
They smell a ban coming soon
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I haven't seen any articles on it yet, but just now heard on Fox Business that Biden is slated to announce a bunch of new EOs today on gun control. Among others, they mentioned "zero tolerance" for FFLs. I get a little nervous anytime I hear politicians use the phrase "zero tolerance".
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I haven't seen any articles on it yet, but just now heard on Fox Business that Biden is slated to announce a bunch of new EOs today on gun control. Among others, they mentioned "zero tolerance" for FFLs. I get a little nervous anytime I hear politicians use the phrase "zero tolerance".
Biden Expected To Push More Gun Control Amid Violence Surge
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2021/06/23/biden-expected-to-push-more-gun-control-amid-violence-surge-n46927
Hey Sniffy Joe, how about leaving honest citizens alone and signing some EOs on criminal control instead?
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....... Hey Sniffy Joe, how about leaving honest citizens alone and signing some EOs on criminal control instead?
Uh, 'cause criminals don't obey executive orders any more than they obey laws? ? ? .... ;/
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It's all the NRA's fault!
Chris Martin
@chrisjdmartin
I almost just spit out my coffee.
Cedric Richmond (senior Biden advisor) is blaming the skyrocketing crime rates in America on... the @NRA
They've apparently been "governing our country for far too long"
Spoiler: Democrats control the House, Senate, and White House
Yeah right
Biden senior adviser Cedric Richmond blames NRA for increased violence because ‘they’ve been governing our country for far too long’ [video]
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/06/23/biden-senior-adviser-cedric-richmond-blames-nra-for-increased-violence-because-theyve-been-governing-our-country-for-far-too-long-video/
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And where will he direct his efforts? We’ll have to listen to what he reads from the Teleprompter today, but from details that have been leaked from the White House, it appears he’ll use the excuse to further attack — wait for it — the gun business.
From Roll Call . . .
The Justice Department will announce a new “zero tolerance” policy to revoke the federal licenses of firearms dealers who willfully violate gun laws, senior administration officials said. That includes actions such as selling a gun to someone who is prohibited from possessing one, failing to do a background check on gun purchasers or falsifying records.
And the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives will focus limited resources on inspecting those gun dealers who need it most, the officials said. That effort will employ crime data and closer connections with local law enforcement and community leaders who can point out problem dealers.
We're going to make it double secret illegal
Biden Set To Announce New Push To Shut Down More FFLs To Fight Violent Crime (Or Something)
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/biden-set-to-announce-new-push-to-shut-down-ffls/
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failing to do a background check on gun purchasers
I wonder how that will impact states like mine, where dealers don't have to do a NICS on CCW holders?
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Here is the White House Fact Sheet on the latest push:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/06/23/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-announces-comprehensive-strategy-to-prevent-and-respond-to-gun-crime-and-ensure-public-safety/
EDIT: Interesting snippet:
Guidance on Using ARP Funds to Reduce Violence. Today, the Treasury Department is highlighting that communities experiencing a surge in gun violence as a result of the pandemic may use the American Rescue Plan’s $350 billion in state and local funding for purposes such as:
Hiring law enforcement officials – even above pre-pandemic levels – or paying overtime where the funds are directly focused on advancing community policing strategies in those communities experiencing an increase in gun violence associated with the pandemic.
Additional enforcement efforts to reduce gun violence exacerbated by the pandemic, including prosecuting gun traffickers, rogue dealers, and other parties contributing to the supply of crime guns, as well as collaborative federal/state/local efforts to identify and address gun trafficking channels.
Investing in technology and equipment to allow law enforcement to more efficiently and effectively respond to the rise in gun violence resulting from the pandemic
So the pandemic caused these problems? Not defunding the cops, or riots or anything? The virus caused gun crime?
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Here is the White House Fact Sheet on the latest push:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/06/23/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-announces-comprehensive-strategy-to-prevent-and-respond-to-gun-crime-and-ensure-public-safety/
EDIT: Interesting snippet:
So the pandemic caused these problems? Not defunding the cops, or riots or anything? The virus caused gun crime?
Nothing about getting prosecutors who will give fewer easy plea bargains or Judges who will stop letting violent criminals out on PR bonds.
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Biden on who gets to have guns and why you can't take on the government:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1407811027379621890
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/06/23/biden-reminds-2a-proponents-to-cool-it-because-theyd-need-f-15s-nukes-to-take-on-the-us-govt/
People will believe this horseshit. Somebody educate him on cannons and privateers.
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Biden on who gets to have guns and why you can't take on the government:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1407811027379621890
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/06/23/biden-reminds-2a-proponents-to-cool-it-because-theyd-need-f-15s-nukes-to-take-on-the-us-govt/
People will believe this horseshit. Somebody educate him on cannons and privateers.
Scary thing is I can actually see dems justifying using nukes against Americans to stay in power if push came to shove. 20 years ago I wouldn't have but today I wouldn't put anything pass them now. This isn't the first time they're brought up the subject of nukes in response to people bringing up the 2A
Tinfoil?
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They have had so much luck with viruses that I think they’d be more tempted to go with biowarfare.
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Biden on who gets to have guns and why you can't take on the government:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1407811027379621890
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/06/23/biden-reminds-2a-proponents-to-cool-it-because-theyd-need-f-15s-nukes-to-take-on-the-us-govt/
People will believe this horseshit. Somebody educate him on cannons and privateers.
We’d need nukes and F-15s?
The VC didn’t. Inbred goatfuckers in Afghanistan don’t have them either.
And those are two conflicts where American military members were all on the same side. A civil war? Much more divided allegiances.
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And those are two conflicts where American military members were all on the same side. A civil war? Much more divided allegiances.
Not to mention Biden doesn't control all the F-15s...
https://youtu.be/xFgNZG3gmqc?t=8
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I just saw a video of today's newscast of of President Ponysoldier's gun control blather. What a meandering mishmash of ineffable twaddle and incomprehensible meandering mumbling. I'm beginning to actually feel sorry for Biden.
To the degree I could understand Biden's "take" on the second amendment, he got it exactly 180° wrong. Was he reading from a teleprompter? Is he still able to read?
Geeesh. This country is in deep kimshee if our adversaries start getting frisky. =(
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Geeesh. This country is in deep kimshee if our adversaries start getting frisky. =(
They are
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Not to mention Biden doesn't control all the F-15s...
https://youtu.be/xFgNZG3gmqc?t=8
Or F-16s apparently. =)
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I guess the second amendment covers fighter jets and nukes now. I'll just go ahead and sign up for those on the CMP's waiting list.
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Did he actually go Swallwell, and say that nuking Oklahoma is on the table?
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We have stairs
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. . . Was he reading from a teleprompter? Is he still able to read?. . .
I'm pretty sure there was a teleprompter, and he was clearly struggling to read from it. As recently as last year he appeared to be doing OK in that regard, so there seems to be accelerating deterioration of his mental faculties.
I noticed Biden mentioned that over 3 million people were denied approval to buy a gun by the existing background check system - but of course he made no mention of the fact that virtually NO people who were CORRECTLY denied approval (e.g., convicted felons, illegal aliens, etc.) were prosecuted for illegally attempting to purchase a firearm.
He also made no mention of penalties for people who lie on the Federal gun purchase form. (Whew - Hunter is relieved.)
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I noticed Biden mentioned that over 3 million people were denied approval to buy a gun by the existing background check system - but of course he made no mention of the fact that virtually NO people who were CORRECTLY denied approval (e.g., convicted felons, illegal aliens, etc.) were prosecuted for illegally attempting to purchase a firearm.
He also made no mention of penalties for people who lie on the Federal gun purchase form. (Whew - Hunter is relieved.)
I'm reading 300,000 people.
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/559601-record-300000-gun-sales-blocked-by-background-checks-last-year
Three million seems high even for a longer period. Biden is known to "slightly exaggerate" though.
And yeah, Hunter gets a free pass again.
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https://babylonbee.com/news/nation-starts-stocking-up-on-f-15s-after-biden-says-youll-need-them-to-overthrow-the-government
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I'm pretty sure there was a teleprompter, and he was clearly struggling to read from it. As recently as last year he appeared to be doing OK in that regard, so there seems to be accelerating deterioration of his mental faculties.
I noticed Biden mentioned that over 3 million people were denied approval to buy a gun by the existing background check system - but of course he made no mention of the fact that virtually NO people who were CORRECTLY denied approval (e.g., convicted felons, illegal aliens, etc.) were prosecuted for illegally attempting to purchase a firearm.
He also made no mention of penalties for people who lie on the Federal gun purchase form. (Whew - Hunter is relieved.)
I have heard people speculate that he has someone talking to him via an earpiece. I figure if someone is trying to talk with you while you are reading a teleprompter or trying to answer a question, that could be distracting even if you were normal.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CQgpRKZLffv/?utm_medium=copy_link
Mrgunsngear posted a Palmetto State Armory listing for an F15 and a nuke. =)
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(https://i.imgur.com/oI5wB94.jpg?1)
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(https://i.imgur.com/xJaBWDZ.jpg?1)
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(https://i.imgur.com/IDb4ECj.jpg?1)
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(https://i.imgur.com/oI5wB94.jpg?1)
Cute, but that's not an F-15.
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Cute, but that's not an F-15.
Yep, it's an AR-15
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But I thought I ordered a F-14 with the thing that goes up.
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(https://i.imgur.com/IDb4ECj.jpg?1)
Umm ... Can I get a veteran discount on that?
Woody
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Umm ... Can I get a veteran discount on that?
Woody
I would look at the Palmetto State Armory listing, but it is likely sold out already.
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Go whole-hog and get the F-22 Raptor. It's stealth, new and much more capable. F-15s are near 50 year old designs and the air frames are not that strong. One broke apart in midflight fifteen years ago.
[tinfoil]
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Go whole-hog and get the F-22 Raptor. It's stealth, new and much more capable. F-15s are near 50 year old designs and the air frames are not that strong. One broke apart in midflight fifteen years ago.
[tinfoil]
Do you need to transfer the F-15 through an FFL? Maybe a curio/relic license would help. Maybe we can also lobby to get the Air Force to turn over F-15's to the CMP.
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Anyone seen any good deals on A-10s?
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PSA was quick to jump on Biden's F-15 comment:
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-tyranny-15-stripped-lower-receiver-ships-in-approximately-12-weeks.html?utm_medium=email&utm_source=daily_deals&utm_campaign=20210625&utm_term=afternoon&utm_content=6252021
(https://palmettostatearmory.com/media/catalog/product/cache/7af8331bf1196ca28793bd1e8f6ecc7b/t/y/tyranny-15_jpeg_advert_1_.jpg)
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Pretty good prices on F-15s on Wish.
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Anyone seen any good deals on A-10s?
I'm going a different direction: scorched Earth policy.
AC-130J Ghostrider for me.
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... and now Tesla:
https://babylonbee.com/news/elon-musk-announces-new-tesla-model-f-15
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(https://i.imgur.com/i4eKavt.jpg?1)
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(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ua6zvruewu/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/301/1021/IMG_2563__12901.1624659814.jpg?c=1)
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No mention regarding his son's illegal purchase:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1418013898167316481
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/07/22/i-absolutely-will-not-comply-dana-loesch-has-some-choice-words-for-joe-biden-after-he-reveals-his-true-intentions-on-gun-control/
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I'm reading 300,000 people.
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/559601-record-300000-gun-sales-blocked-by-background-checks-last-year
Three million seems high even for a longer period. Biden is known to "slightly exaggerate" though.
And yeah, Hunter gets a free pass again.
"Numbers, schmumbers." -- He's a D. after all.
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They think they found a "legal" way to regulate 3D printed firearms.
In response, the BIS has now declared that anyone engaged in manufacturing, exporting or ‘furnishing’ 3D printed firearms, are subject to Export Administration Regulations (EAR) instead. To help those currently in possession of the software and machinery needed to produce these munitions stay compliant, the bureau has therefore issued a detailed FAQ, which it “strongly encourages” them to read.
U.S. Bureau of Industry and Security imposes ‘EAR’ restrictions on 3D printed guns
https://3dprintingindustry.com/news/u-s-bureau-of-industry-and-security-imposes-ear-restrictions-on-3d-printed-guns-193254/
Biden Administration Finds Loophole To Ban 3d Printed Firearms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSHjEJD1MSQ
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They don't seem to appreciate that we can just make "real" guns any old time with a mill and lathe. The more they dick around with regulating 3D printers, the closer more likely they make "*expletive deleted*ck it, everything's illegal, I'll make whatever I want" a reality.
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Might as well have the happy switch on everything.
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If you don't have a print on how to make a DIAS, you're a wussie.
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They think they found a "legal" way to regulate 3D printed firearms.
U.S. Bureau of Industry and Security imposes ‘EAR’ restrictions on 3D printed guns
https://3dprintingindustry.com/news/u-s-bureau-of-industry-and-security-imposes-ear-restrictions-on-3d-printed-guns-193254/
Biden Administration Finds Loophole To Ban 3d Printed Firearms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSHjEJD1MSQ
So- can the files just be published on a server outside the USA to get around this?
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I wish they'd call it what it is. It's disarmament. We should call it what it is and not fall into their narrative. :old:
As a side note, can anyone tell me of an incident where a gun got out of control?
Woody
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As a side note, can anyone tell me of an incident where a gun got out of control?
I think Kentucky Ballistics recently had a video of a gun getting out of control.
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Plenty sadly. One with a machine gun fun shoot and someone let a kid shoot an smg and it walked back over his head and shot someone. Been around a few unintentional FA pistols when they had a failure. There is a reason you test unknown guns with one in the magazine only first.
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Plenty sadly. One with a machine gun fun shoot and someone let a kid shoot an smg and it walked back over his head and shot someone. Been around a few unintentional FA pistols when they had a failure. There is a reason you test unknown guns with one in the magazine only first.
SKSs when someone didn't clean the cosmoline and/or crud out of the fire pin channel and they go full auto upon releasing the bolt. :O
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Plenty sadly. One with a machine gun fun shoot and someone let a kid shoot an smg and it walked back over his head and shot someone. Been around a few unintentional FA pistols when they had a failure. There is a reason you test unknown guns with one in the magazine only first.
I used to recommend two in the mag. With only one you can't tell if it's going to double tap or not, only that it won't blow up. Two is still nominally controllable. I can attest that an unintended full mag dump is a scary proposition. Every bullet has to come down somewhere.
Right or wrong, I diagnosed a Sterling hammerless .22 pistol as having slightly too much clearance between the firing pin and the channel in which it rode. This allowed the firing pin to slip off the sear with the impact of the slide closure. It could have been repaired with a new, "higher" sear, but I decided that was too much of a balancing act. I don't have it anymore, but I can't remember what I did with it. Probably a decent burial at sea. Well, OK, burial at lake, anyway.
Terry, 230RN
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Mexico is suing a whole gaggle of gun manufacturers and dealers. I expect this will be used by Biden.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/mexican-gov-sues-us-gun-manufacturers
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Mexico is suing a whole gaggle of gun manufacturers and dealers. I expect this will be used by Biden.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/mexican-gov-sues-us-gun-manufacturers
And, BTW, the Mexican government is represented by the antigun group Brady United. @NSSF https://t.co/luucJHun53
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/mexican-government-is-suing-glock-beretta-barrett-sw-and-colt-over-arms-crossing-the-border/
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https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/mexican-government-is-suing-glock-beretta-barrett-sw-and-colt-over-arms-crossing-the-border/
More BS about marketing strategies. That needs to be get shut down.
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Maybe Mexico should have built a wall to keep those evil guns out.
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Give them back California.
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More BS about marketing strategies. That needs to be get shut down.
It got Bushmaster/Remington to cough up a $$$$ offer.
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It got Bushmaster/Remington to cough up a $$$$ offer.
Technically their old insurance company that is left holding the liability bag.
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https://youtu.be/c1Jm_Kt2IcI
Among other things Paul Lathrop said we need to sue Mexico for the drugs they allow to be trafficked across the border, and all sorts of other related stuff. They talked about other stuff also.
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https://youtu.be/c1Jm_Kt2IcI
Among other things Paul Lathrop said we need to sue Mexico for the drugs they allow to be trafficked across the border, and all sorts of other related stuff. They talked about other stuff also.
We should sue them for all the non-Mexicans that cross the border illegally - there is NO WAY that many hundreds of thousands of OTM (Other Than Mexican) foreigners can cross a thousand miles of Mexico to get to our border without the connivance of the Mexican government.
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One to keep an eye on.
H.R.4953 — 117th Congress (2021-2022)
As of 08/09/2021 text has not been received for H.R.4953
To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to subject to the requirements of the National Firearms Act any semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/4953/text
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More BS about marketing strategies. That needs to be get shut down.
Hope you're not holding your breath on that happening anytime soon.
Court Rules Smith & Wesson Has to Turn Over Internal Marketing Documents to New Jersey Attorney General
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/court-rules-smith-wesson-has-to-turn-over-internal-marketing-documents-to-new-jersey-attorney-general/
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Hope you're not holding your breath on that happening anytime soon.
Court Rules Smith & Wesson Has to Turn Over Internal Marketing Documents to New Jersey Attorney General
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/court-rules-smith-wesson-has-to-turn-over-internal-marketing-documents-to-new-jersey-attorney-general/
Certainly not with a court in New Jersey.
Nothing happens soon in the court system these days.
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ATF Says Rare Breed Trigger Is A Machinegun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slo6nLv1mwg
Rare Breed Triggers Complaint Against the ATF and DOJ
https://theinfidel.co/blogs/news/rare-breed-triggers-complaint-against-the-atf-and-doj
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ATF Says Rare Breed Trigger Is A Machinegun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slo6nLv1mwg
Rare Breed Triggers Complaint Against the ATF and DOJ
https://theinfidel.co/blogs/news/rare-breed-triggers-complaint-against-the-atf-and-doj
I had no idea what that trigger was. I had to look up a couple videos on it. Looks like it is essentially a bump fire trigger. I don't know how they thought the ATF wouldn't come after them on this trigger. IMO, there is likely more justification to call this a machine gun than the bump stocks. It still doesn't quite get there as far as the letter of the law.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmD5KCzUa8c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTZFjejWpjY
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The rare breed trigger is not a machine gun any more than a bump stock is a machine gun. Your finger has to pull the trigger every time to shoot the gun.
That doesn't matter though.
The government has contempt for the rule of law.
The government has the utmost contempt for the Bill of Rights.
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TTAG has picked up the story
Biden Pulls a Trump Card – Rare Breed FRT-15 Trigger Now Classified as a Machine Gun
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/biden-pulls-a-trump-card-rare-breed-frt-15-trigger-now-classified-as-a-machine-gun/
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Here's a crazy bill from PA
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=PDF&sessYr=2021&sessInd=0&billBody=H&billTyp=B&billNbr=1786&pn=2026
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Rare Breed’s response:
https://vimeo.com/589573539
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Biden (or more likely his handlers) moving to ban Russian guns and ammo:
https://www.ammoland.com/2021/08/breaking-biden-administration-bans-importation-of-russian-guns-and-ammo/
New sanctions imposed today under the CBW Act include:
Restrictions on the permanent imports of certain Russian firearms. New and pending permit applications for the permanent importation of firearms and ammunition manufactured or located in Russia will be subject to a policy of denial.
Well, *expletive deleted*ck. Just as ammo prices were starting to decline.
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Wow... ammo prices are going to go nuts. Even more so!
We get LOTS of ammo from Russia.
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You mean, "we used to ..."
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The only surprise is that it's taken this long for him to start moving - imports are one of the few areas that POTUS has actual power & authority to hurt us all on his own.
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Now that that pesky COVID thing has been dealt with time for the CDC to tackle gun disease
After Using Unconstitutional Powers to Stop Evictions, CDC Director Sets Her Sights on Guns
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/after-using-unconstitutional-powers-to-stop-evictions-cdc-director-sets-her-sights-on-guns/
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WH is pulling ATF nominee.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/chipman-atf-withdraw/2021/09/09/d5804a3a-1108-11ec-a511-cb913c7e5ba0_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/chipman-atf-withdraw/2021/09/09/d5804a3a-1108-11ec-a511-cb913c7e5ba0_story.html)
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WH is pulling ATF nominee.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/chipman-atf-withdraw/2021/09/09/d5804a3a-1108-11ec-a511-cb913c7e5ba0_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/chipman-atf-withdraw/2021/09/09/d5804a3a-1108-11ec-a511-cb913c7e5ba0_story.html)
Take the small win I guess. *expletive deleted*ck that guy.
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Look out folks
I will admit I don't know enough about the tiny details of what's going on to really give a creteak of this but here it is.
URGENT: Mitch McConnel To Allow “One Time” Bypass of Fillibuster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUyjjblATrY
And it looks like the dems MAY be jumping on the offer to ram through their dream gun bills
Anti Gun Senator Says He Has The Votes For Gun Control
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOPJLHSQ4Z0
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That *expletive deleted*ing retard god how I hate him. You can always count on a spineless RINO to compromise away everything. Jesus Christ.
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They really don't care about a red wave. They just want to pass as much as they can.
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Washington State To Hear Several Gun Control Bills TODAY!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi50Z10LM_U
The Washington State bills he brings up
SB 5217 https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=5217&Year=2021&Initiative=false#documentSection
Seems to ban pretty much ban most semi auto rifles from a quick read
SB 5568 https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=5568&Initiative=false&Year=2021
Repeals state gun law preemption
SB 5578 https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=5078&Year=2021&Initiative=false
Bans "large" cap mags
HB 1705 https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=1705&Year=2021&Initiative=false
Ban "Ghost" guns
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Rare Breed now has a 3 position forced reset trigger which looks awesome:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd0Y5PFKDWg
Hopefully they will win their legal battle. [ar15]
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Just from the video, anyone who didn't know how his trigger operates would say that is a full auto trigger. Looks like one trigger pull even if it is not.
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Responding to Texas Incident, Biden Admits Gun Control Didn’t Work
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/01/responding-to-texas-incident-biden-admits-gun-control-didnt-work/?ct=t(RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN)#axzz7IQRgicKp
Responding to questions from reporters, Biden admitted, “The idea of background checks are critical, but you can’t stop something like this if someone’s on the streets buying something from somebody else on the streets.”
I am sure this won't stop them from thinking even more laws will work.
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Well we obviously need a law that makes it illegal for someone to buy something from somebody else on the streets!
It's for the chillruns!
WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILLRUNS?
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Well we obviously need a law that makes it illegal for someone to buy something from somebody else on the streets!
It's for the chillruns!
WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILLRUNS?
I am sure it won't be long before some politicians decides the govt needs to be the middleman in EVERY transaction (less X% for taxes). It is their money after all.
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I am sure it won't be long before some politicians decides the govt needs to be the middleman in EVERY transaction (less X% for taxes). It is their money after all.
They would dearly love to do this, for that reason. Private, cash sales represent a significant amount of tax evasion.
Never mind that sales tax was originally paid on the item when it was originally bought from a shop.
And that shop paid taxes on the gains.
And the buyer paid taxes on the income used to buy the item.
And paid taxes on the fuel used to go to the shop
And paid yearly taxes for the vehicle they drove there.
And paid taxes on the building they driving the item back to.
We are taxed to death, and somehow, it's just never enough for the politicians.
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We are taxed to death, and somehow, it's just never enough for the politicians.
Ain't that the truth !! :facepalm:
It's like that old joke about how cold it was. The politicians were keeping their hands in their own pockets instead of ours !
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When the Biden administration said it’s "going after rogue gun dealers" I didn't think I would ever see the Amish brought up.
ATF raids Amish farmer, seizes guns
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/01/26/atf-raids-amish-farmer-seizes-guns-n54826
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This popped up in my "suggested" vids last night.
No idea who this guy is or if his info is credible, but supposedly a leaked ATF email flatly states seizures of Wide Open and Rare Breed trigger parts will begin today.
https://youtu.be/RRkJtcz9ipg
Brad
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Biden is headed to NYC next Thursday to talk about how evil guns are and what he plans to do about them. I'm not sure if these are new plans, or if he's rehashing his old plans to make a big media production out of it, then let it all go on the backburner again.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/01/28/dem-damage-control-biden-headed-to-nyc-next-week-to-promote-his-strategy-to-combat-gun-crime/
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Biden is headed to NYC next Thursday to talk about how evil guns are and what he plans to do about them. I'm not sure if these are new plans, or if he's rehashing his old plans to make a big media production out of it, then let it all go on the backburner again.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/01/28/dem-damage-control-biden-headed-to-nyc-next-week-to-promote-his-strategy-to-combat-gun-crime/
Well we all know making a media storm of gun control will help keep Republicans away from the midterms.
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Well we all know making a media storm of gun control will help keep Republicans away from the midterms.
Politicians these days don't seem to know what the term, "long game" means anymore. They're all in the "today game". If this knocks Biden's poll numbers up five points the week after next, he'll call it a win.
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So do we get a NYC mass shooting hours before he gets there like the bridge? [tinfoil]
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So do we get a NYC mass shooting hours before he gets there like the bridge? [tinfoil]
Probably. Of course being NYC like any other giant shithole it’s good odds it’ll happen naturally.
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So do we get a NYC mass shooting hours before he gets there like the bridge? [tinfoil]
New term "Iron Pipeline"
Here’s the AP’s report of the administration’s latest effort at distraction . . .
The Biden administration is expanding a crackdown on untraceable guns and firearms trafficking along the East Coast “iron pipeline” and elsewhere as police departments across the nation fight surging gun violence that’s left a trail of bloodshed already this year.
President Joe Biden plans to announce the effort during a visit Thursday to New York City, where he’ll also showcase his plan to work with state and local law enforcement to get guns and repeat shooters off the streets. Biden also will stop at a school to meet with violence intervention leaders.
The visit comes as illegal guns flood the streets and gun violence claims scores of lives, including those of police officers. At the same time, Biden, a Democrat, is trying to dispel criticism from the right that he hasn’t been tough enough on crime.
Biden’s Latest Misdirection Maneuver: Battling the ‘Iron River’ of Guns Into NYC
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/bidens-latest-misdirection-maneuver-battling-the-iron-river-of-guns-into-nyc/
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I am sure none of that would have anything to do with complete lack of enforcement of any crimes short of murder.
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"Iron Pipeline"
New PSA lower in 3,2,1.
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I am sure none of that would have anything to do with complete lack of enforcement of any crimes short of up to and often including murder.
FIFY
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Nice video captures of 46 and his lies:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/02/03/joe-biden-takes-aim-at-gun-owners-and-the-2nd-amendment-with-weird-series-of-lies-including-one-that-earned-four-pinocchios-from-wapo-videos/
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Uh oh, Joe’s fired up…
https://rumble.com/vtzbs8-what-biden-said-should-terrify-every-gun-owner.html (https://rumble.com/vtzbs8-what-biden-said-should-terrify-every-gun-owner.html)
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Where do I get one of those 40 round Glock magazines? I need one of those!
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ghost guns are what i heard on my morning commute, i guess them ghost guns are scarier - what the heck do they intend to do, out law cnc machines and metal? LOL.
I think this is just virtue signalling and hyperbole and no actual meaningful thing will happen
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Uh oh, Joe’s fired up…
https://rumble.com/vtzbs8-what-biden-said-should-terrify-every-gun-owner.html (https://rumble.com/vtzbs8-what-biden-said-should-terrify-every-gun-owner.html)
What did Brandon say? I can't stomach listening to him.
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ghost guns are what i heard on my morning commute, i guess them ghost guns are scarier - what the heck do they intend to do, out law cnc machines and metal? LOL.
I think this is just virtue signalling and hyperbole and no actual meaningful thing will happen
Saw an article, can't find right now, that stated that to make the claim that we now have a "ghost" gun crime epidemic they're now counting guns with scratched off serial numbers as "ghost" guns.
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Where do I get one of those 40 round Glock magazines? I need one of those!
Don't know about 40s but several companies make 50 round drum mags for Glocks
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40 round stick mags for Glocks
https://www.etsgroup.us/ETS-40-round-9mm-mag-fits-Glock-17-18-19-26-p/glk-18-40.htm
https://modernwarriors.com/product/kriss-usa-magex-40-round-9mm-magazine-fits-glock-17
30-33 round stick mags for Glocks are quite common
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Anyone make drum mags for a Kel-Tec Sub2K? Asking for a friend…. :rofl:
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Anyone make drum mags for a Kel-Tec Sub2K? Asking for a friend…. :rofl:
Since many take Glock magazines, Yes.
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^^^^^
What he said
~95% of all Sub 2Ks I've seen in the wild took Glock mags.
Which mags "your friend's" take should be indicated on the side.
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I have a few stick mags but a drum may be fun.
This a decent deal? https://www.righttobear.com/50rds-drum-black-fits-glock-9mm/ (https://www.righttobear.com/50rds-drum-black-fits-glock-9mm/)
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I have a few stick mags but a drum may be fun.
This a decent deal? https://www.righttobear.com/50rds-drum-black-fits-glock-9mm/ (https://www.righttobear.com/50rds-drum-black-fits-glock-9mm/)
I tried one of those. Okay as a range toy, but not reliable enough for me. Three, sometimes four stoppages before the mag is empty.
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I wouldn't trust a non-OEM drum magazine. I have a 30-something round stick magazine for my BHP and it seems reliable enough but it's clumsy. (rather, I'm clumsy with it) I like 20-round mags a lot better. They do stick out the bottom of the grip an inch or so.
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I have a few stick mags but a drum may be fun.
This a decent deal? https://www.righttobear.com/50rds-drum-black-fits-glock-9mm/ (https://www.righttobear.com/50rds-drum-black-fits-glock-9mm/)
Very few drum mags I would half way trust with the Suomi drums and the Russian copies used on the PPsH (the drum was copied) and the newer Magpuls being exceptions somewhat. There a reason militaries dropped drum mags when they could.
Look at the Magpul drum although it's going to be ~2x what you linked to, their AR drum has gotten good reviews
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In reality, not really sure I’m interested in a drum mag for my Sub 2K. I have plenty of stick mags for that.
I only have 1 drum and that’s for an AK. Works great but sits in a box as I’ve only taken it out a couple times to ops check.
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Something to keep an eye on
Washington State Magazine Ban Passes State Senate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exB8UjxIVfw
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Here's some of what's coming out next week:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-expected-release-ghost-gun-rule
He'll also be pushing his new ATF nominee.
It will be interesting to see what the definitions of parts, kits, and receivers ends up being.
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They keep talking about tracing, but what difference does that actually make? Maybe they get a straw purchaser who probably won’t be charged or convicted anyway. Most crime guns are stolen in any event and tracing does nothing.
Secondly. While I don’t trust SCOTUS, there is a specific reason so called ghost guns are legal, the Federal government has no constitutional authority to control someone making a gun in there home. The only reason they can require background checks on purchase at a FFL is that FFLs are federally licensed. I question the constitutional authority on that as well, but it is somewhat established at the moment. The Federal government telling me I can’t make my own gun not so much. This is exactly why some states allow private transfers and some don’t now.
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They keep talking about tracing, but what difference does that actually make?
Yeah, I don't know either. Regarding tracing, what difference is there between a stolen gun with a serial number (the majority of guns used in crimes) and a non-serialized gun?
Not to mention this is all part of the "Evil Black Rifle" stuff, regardless of how infrequently they are used in crimes.
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Yeah, I don't know either. Regarding tracing, what difference is there between a stolen gun with a serial number (the majority of guns used in crimes) and a non-serialized gun?
Not to mention this is all part of the "Evil Black Rifle" stuff, regardless of how infrequently they are used in crimes.
As long as they can trace it to "somebody", "somebody" can be prosecuted persecuted for the egregious offense of having owned a crime gun some time in the past. Prove it wasn't your fault.
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There's been 20 years of CSI type shows saying that with a serial number you can trace the gun to it's owner through the gun registry. People believe that is how it works, and the grabbers know this, so they use scary statements that imply that [fictional] tracing is in jeopardy and joe public buys it.
The GhostGunner 3 can (or will in the near furure) mill a reciever from a square billet of aluminum. The 3d printed community has been making functional semi-autos basically from scratch for years. Home CNCs can knock out a sub gun in less than a day. By bringing this to criminals attention the media and gov basically pointed out how easy it is to make automatic weapons or conversion sears. The Gov has lost this fight and doesn't even know it.
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Yeah, I don't know either. Regarding tracing, what difference is there between a stolen gun with a serial number (the majority of guns used in crimes) and a non-serialized gun?
Or a stolen gun that has had the serial number ground off?
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They keep talking about tracing, but what difference does that actually make? Maybe they get a straw purchaser who probably won’t be charged or convicted anyway. Most crime guns are stolen in any event and tracing does nothing.
Secondly. While I don’t trust SCOTUS, there is a specific reason so called ghost guns are legal, the Federal government has no constitutional authority to control someone making a gun in there home. The only reason they can require background checks on purchase at a FFL is that FFLs are federally licensed. I question the constitutional authority on that as well, but it is somewhat established at the moment. The Federal government telling me I can’t make my own gun not so much. This is exactly why some states allow private transfers and some don’t now.
Sure they do. Under the interstate commerce clause. Legislated, challenged up to the supreme court, and upheld.
See, if you make a gun at home, then you won't buy one, which impacts interstate commerce. The fun part is that even holds up for things that are illegal to buy.
Caselaw (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn), more caselaw (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich).
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There's been 20 years of CSI type shows saying that with a serial number you can trace the gun to it's owner through the gun registry. People believe that is how it works, and the grabbers know this, so they use scary statements that imply that [fictional] tracing is in jeopardy and joe public buys it.
I can’t count the number of times I hear some idiot in person say “Well I have guns but they are/aren’t registered with the police department” it makes me want to scream WE DON’T HAVE REGISTRATION YOU *expletive deleted*ing IDIOT
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I can’t count the number of times I hear some idiot in person say “Well I have guns but they are/aren’t registered with the police department” it makes me want to scream WE DON’T HAVE REGISTRATION YOU *expletive deleted*ing IDIOT
Yeah, that stuff bugs me more than gun functionality stupidity in Hollywood. There's also, "Do you have a license for that gun?" even when the cops find it in a nightstand drawer, not on the person in public.
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Once in a while a local reporter uses the term unlicensed and/or unregistered when referring to guns found involved in a crime usually in a manner that implies that is a crime in of itself.
Don't know if they're a transplant from Commiefornia and/or someone who's total firearm knowledge comes from TV and/or pushing their agenda.
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Don't know if they're a transplant from Commiefornia and/or someone who's total firearm knowledge comes from TV and/or pushing their agenda.
Those three options are not mutually exclusive.
Just read a quote from an article about Biden's new initiative that revived the trope that ghost guns are "mostly plastic so they can't be detected by metal detectors."
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Secondly. While I don’t trust SCOTUS, there is a specific reason so called ghost guns are legal, the Federal government has no constitutional authority to control someone making a gun in there home. The only reason they can require background checks on purchase at a FFL is that FFLs are federally licensed. I question the constitutional authority on that as well, but it is somewhat established at the moment. The Federal government telling me I can’t make my own gun not so much. This is exactly why some states allow private transfers and some don’t now.
While you are correct, that does not matter. Courts have let the federal government do whatever they want for longer than I have been alive by agreeing that everything effects "interstate commerce" so the feds can do anything they want. Try making your own machine gun at home, and the courts will be happy to toss you in prison if you get caught.
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While you are correct, that does not matter. Courts have let the federal government do whatever they want for longer than I have been alive by agreeing that everything effects "interstate commerce" so the feds can do anything they want. Try making your own machine gun at home, and the courts will be happy to toss you in prison if you get caught.
I agree with both of you. Actually, the Commerce Clause should have no bearing on the matter because the 2nd Amendment puts arms outside the reach of the CC. That's why it's called an amendment; it amends the commerce clause and any other powers the government might draw from the Constitution to say they don't extend to guns.
But I'm not on the Supreme Court, and even if I was I don't think I could convince the rest of them that the government should forfeit that much ill-gotten power.
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Just read a quote from an article about Biden's new initiative that revived the trope that ghost guns are "mostly plastic so they can't be detected by metal detectors."
"That punk pulled a Glock 7 on me. You know what that is? It's a porcelain gun made in Germany. It doesn't show up on your airport X-ray machines here and it costs more than what you make in a month!"
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Sure they do. Under the interstate commerce clause. Legislated, challenged up to the supreme court, and upheld.
See, if you make a gun at home, then you won't buy one, which impacts interstate commerce. The fun part is that even holds up for things that are illegal to buy.
Caselaw (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn), more caselaw (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich).
Not entirely true. The whole reason current Federal laws only apply to FFL's is they can claim that is interstate commerce and thus they Fed government can put regulations on FFL's. This was recognized at the time, which is why the regulations work that way. The reason I said I don't trust SCOTUS is that they usually consider anything the Fed government does as allowed under that clause, but in the case of home made firearms it has not actually been tested in court yet.
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Not entirely true. The whole reason current Federal laws only apply to FFL's is they can claim that is interstate commerce and thus they Fed government can put regulations on FFL's. This was recognized at the time, which is why the regulations work that way. The reason I said I don't trust SCOTUS is that they usually consider anything the Fed government does as allowed under that clause, but in the case of home made firearms it has not actually been tested in court yet.
I don't agree that current Federal laws only apply to FFL's, as evidenced by things that are federal felonies for you - as an individual - to do at home. Suppressors, auto-sears, etc.
I suppose that the particular situation of homemade firearms hasn't been tested in a supreme court case, but I don't see how it's any different than the established case law where individuals are prohibited from doing things, privately, for themselves, by themselves under the authority of the interstate commerce clause.
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It appears the new ATF chief nominee has a bit of support from LE and some Republicans. From what I have read about him, he doesn't seem any better than Chipman.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/law-enforcement-bipartisan-prosecutors-back-biden-atf-pick
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I don't agree that current Federal laws only apply to FFL's, as evidenced by things that are federal felonies for you - as an individual - to do at home. Suppressors, auto-sears, etc.
I suppose that the particular situation of homemade firearms hasn't been tested in a supreme court case, but I don't see how it's any different than the established case law where individuals are prohibited from doing things, privately, for themselves, by themselves under the authority of the interstate commerce clause.
Just look at the ways the laws currently are, they are all based around the Fed government not having the power to place laws on firearms that are not part of interstate commerce. The NFA stuff is under an exception for unusually dangerous stuff, not the exact legal term, but close enough. I disagree with it, but that is the current state.
Legal to make your own firearm for your own use including without serial number is currently legal - no interstate commerce.
Intrastate transfers don't have to follow Federal Law, some allow transfer of long guns, some pistols, some none. Up to the state. - no interstate commerce.
There are other examples, the reason these are setup the way they are is that the Federal government recognized at the time they could not legally control this stuff. Of course SCOTUS will continue to screw us most likely once it does get tested by them, but as of now, it isn't legal for Federal government to control this stuff.
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I think this discussion may explain why biden talked extensively about kits being ordered and delivered to people at home. That would put them into interstate commerce, as opposed to a 3D home printed gun. Wonder if the DOJ attorneys told them that data transfers of plans are not interstate commerce.
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If it's not a kit is it ok or are they going to want numbers on every part?
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One analysis I saw seemed to think this rule could.be stretched to require sn#s on slides and frames on semiauto pistols.
Any rumblings coming from our side about lawsuits yet?
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One analysis I saw seemed to think this rule could.be stretched to require sn#s on slides and frames on semiauto pistols.
Any rumblings coming from our side about lawsuits yet?
I just saw GOA is getting ready to drop a suit. The GOA attorney also said that the wording of this could enfold uppers and even individual parts.
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I just saw GOA is getting ready to drop a suit. The GOA attorney also said that the wording of this could enfold uppers and even individual parts.
Not only "could" -- if you read the intro to the rule, it's clear that they want to clean up the problem of whether the upper or lower part of the receiver is "the" firearm in an AR-15. It's an easy read -- only 364 pages of legalese.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/rulemaking/final-rule-2021r-05f-definition-frame-or-receiver-and-identification/download
However, a restrictive application of these definitions would not describe the frame or receiver of most firearms currently in circulation in the United States. Most modern weapon designs, including semiautomatic rifles and pistols with detachable magazines, have a split or multi-piece receiver where the relevant fire control components are housed by more than one part of the weapon (e.g., the upper receiver and lower receiver of an AR-15 rifle), or incorporate a striker to fire the weapon, rather than a hammer.
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For these many reasons, ATF is promulgating a rule that would bring clarity to the def inition of “frame or receiver” by providing an updated, more comprehensive definition. On May 21, 2021, the Department published a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (“NPRM”) in the Federal Register, 86 FR 27720, proposing to redefine the term “frame or receiver” as that which provides housing or a structure to hold or integrate one or more fire control components. In light of the comments received, this final rule revises the proposed definition of “frame or receiver” so that a “frame” is applicable to a handgun, and variants thereof, and a “receiver” is applicable to a rifle, shotgun, or projectile weapon other than a handgun, and variants thereof. Moreover, “frame or receiver” will be defined to describe only a single part that provides housing or a structure for one specific, primary fire control component of weapons that expel a projectile, or one specific, primary internal sound reduction component of firearm mufflers or silencers.
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Armed Attorneys are suggesting that current arms will be grandfathered, but after the rule goes into effect, all uppers afterwards will potentially become a firearm.
Fugettaboutit
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So according to the ATF's released ruling, AR upper receivers will stay the same at least for the time being. A la, don't need to be serialized. But is that only for the time being and 'grandfathered' existing stock...with all uppers needing to be serialized at a certain date forward? Or will it always be the same way it was?
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Correct. Rule has been released- we have a bit more info. There is a grandfather clause for existing items. The serialized upper requirement would only apply to future component-receivers and firearm-receivers after the rule goes into effect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi1LAe9wgY0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lwr5s5AMsU
Not really many changes. No more build-buy-shoot kits, FFLs must put serial numbers on "ghost guns" that come through their possession, crack down on form 1 suppressors, no changes to AR serial numbers, 80% still available and you don't need SN on a gun you built.
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Assuming GOP can take the House this year, and take the Senate by 2025, fixing this legislatively could be a huge campaign issue for 2024 candidates. Whether they follow through if they win is a different story, naturally...
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I can’t count the number of times I hear some idiot in person say “Well I have guns but they are/aren’t registered with the police department” it makes me want to scream WE DON’T HAVE REGISTRATION YOU *expletive deleted*ing IDIOT
I've always been of the opinion that the 4473 is a back-door/under the covers registration. Paperwork that's never destroyed. Paperwork that can be used to trace ownership, through numerous owners in some instances
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lwr5s5AMsU
Not really many changes. No more build-buy-shoot kits, FFLs must put serial numbers on "ghost guns" that come through their possession, crack down on form 1 suppressors, no changes to AR serial numbers, 80% still available and you don't need SN on a gun you built.
May be just me but I find it hard to take someone seriously who wears their hat backwards
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Not really many changes. No more build-buy-shoot kits, FFLs must put serial numbers on "ghost guns" that come through their possession, crack down on form 1 suppressors, no changes to AR serial numbers, 80% still available and you don't need SN on a gun you built.
It's 364 pages. I find it hard to believe that even the feral government can spend 364 pages on "Not really many changes."
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/rulemaking/final-rule-2021r-05f-definition-frame-or-receiver-and-identification/download
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I have most of the parts for my first P80 build. I don't know if having a serial number stamped or engraved is something gun stores do or not, but I was hoping to use a relevant scripture reference number as a "serial number." Really just as a proof of ownership.
Now I'm thinking a better "serial number" might be CANT_TRACE_THIS.
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I have most of the parts for my first P80 build. I don't know if having a serial number stamped or engraved is something gun stores do or not, but I was hoping to use a relevant scripture reference number as a "serial number." Really just as a proof of ownership.
Now I'm thinking a better "serial number" might be CANT_TRACE_THIS.
LK2236 was your plan?
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Time to learn how to make your own slides and uppers and barrels too*, people. You know what's coming next.
*difficulty level: no mill or lathe may be used. Drill press, welder, various power tools and workshop hydraulic presses are allowed.
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Easy Peasy.
EDM rifle the barrel, weld up a blowback bolt, and run it in a printed or square tube reciever.
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Easy Peasy.
EDM rifle the barrel, weld up a blowback bolt, and run it in a printed or square tube reciever.
I've been thinking up how to make a slide for a locked breech pistol with minimal tools. Would be similar to Professor Parabellum's. I've also seen AR15 uppers made from round tube...making the internals might be trickier.
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LK2236 was your plan?
Obvi
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Easy Peasy.
EDM rifle the barrel, weld up a blowback bolt, and run it in a printed or square tube reciever.
Also I was suggesting rifle caliber long guns and locked breech pistols. Making a .32 or .380 pistol is simple enough, ditto with open bolt subguns. But I have yet to see fully improvised/DIY options for rifle caliber long guns or locked breech pistols.
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Most of the fully DIY guns are 9mm. There's no reason why a 9mm or 45 blowback can't be done, but I get your point.
A locked breech pistol is kinda hard to do without a mill or *expletive deleted*it-ton of hand fitting, and since a lot of the DIY gun community is in the US with easy access to slides, no one really bothers.
J. Stark might have, but it's moot now.
Short of a kyber pass style hand built you probably aren't going to see the guns you are talking about built without at least some machine tools.
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Time to learn how to make your own slides and uppers and barrels too*, people. You know what's coming next.
*difficulty level: no mill or lathe may be used. Drill press, welder, various power tools and workshop hydraulic presses are allowed.
What kind of accuracy are you looking for? Man sized target at 10' (hit anywhere on the black) or 1" at 100 yards?
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A bit of twisting of the facts in parts but something to keep an eye on
Mexico's fight to sue US gun manufacturers for $10bn
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61073823
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A bit of twisting of the facts in parts but something to keep an eye on
Mexico's fight to sue US gun manufacturers for $10bn
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61073823
How many of those guns that “flowed south” and wound up at crime scenes were originally sold to the Mexican military or various law enforcement agencies?
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A bit of twisting of the facts in parts but something to keep an eye on
Mexico's fight to sue US gun manufacturers for $10bn
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61073823
Hmmm ...
"The security measures implemented on the border are almost a joke," said Ed Calderon, a former police officer in Tijuana, just across from California, and an expert on Mexico's criminal underworld.
"The border is porous," he said. "People - it could even be old women and men - walk or drive across the border on a daily basis and can amass a stockpile that would rival any Texas gun show. It's easy to get a gun or rifle in Mexico."
And how is your inability (or unwillingness) to control your own border the fault of Smith & Wesson or Colt?
Besides, isn't it illegal for people in Mexico to own guns?
Mexico's National Guard - which is largely responsible for stemming the flow of weapons into Mexico - could not be reached for comment. Mexican officials at various levels of government, however, have repeatedly vowed to clamp down on the flow of weapons coming across the border, referring to the effort as a "national priority".
Yeah, the National Guard doesn't want to comment because they're probably the biggest gun smuggling ring in the country.
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More lets completely ignore the actual cause of the problem
“Day after day, members of our New Jersey family are being shot and killed,” Murphy said during an event at Saint Luke Baptist Church, attending by a number of other Democratic officials. “It’s outrageous their state government in Trenton is not doing everything they can to stem this violence.”
The proposals would change how firearm owners in the state are required to store their guns, ban the future sales of .50 caliber guns in the state, increase the age people can buy shotguns and rifles in the state from 18 to 21, mandate gun dealers in the state keep logs of ammunition sales, among other moves. …
Murphy: New Jersey’s Legislature Hasn’t Been Nearly Tough Enough On Guns
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/murphy-new-jerseys-legislature-hasnt-been-nearly-tough-enough-on-guns/
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JSD got a cease and desist over their 80% kits
BREAKING NEWS: ATF Serves JSD Supply a Cease & Desist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D11MwsnjkXU
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Our tax dollars at work -- enforcing a new rule that won't take effect for another three+ months.
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Our tax dollars at work -- enforcing a new rule that won't take effect for another three+ months.
Video says ATF said it's because they sell both kits and parts on the same website.
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FFL revocations up more than 500% under Biden
Before the Biden-Harris administration took over the White House, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives usually revoked an average of 40 Federal Firearm Licenses (FFLs) per year. But, in the 11 months since Joe Biden declared war on “rogue gun dealers,” the ATF has revoked 273 FFLs – an increase of more than 500%. However, rather than targeting the true rogues, Biden’s ATF is revoking FFLs for the most minor of paperwork errors, which were never a concern for the ATF until Biden weaponized the agency.
ATF: Gun Shop License Revocations Up a Staggering 500%!?
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/05/atf-ffl-revocations-up-a-staggering-500/#axzz7TSYPUgxJ
Under Biden: Rate of FFL Revocations UP 500%!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqGcDHbHdwQ
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FFL revocations up more than 500% under Biden
Interesting that according to the article, the ATF is not happy about this either. DOJ appears to be going off the reservation (with a wink from Joe).
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Interesting that according to the article, the ATF is not happy about this either. DOJ appears to be going off the reservation (with a wink from Joe).
Ministry of Safely
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Besides, isn't it illegal for people in Mexico to own guns?
No... it is difficult to get guns legally in Mexico, but it not illegal altogether. The state has a legal monopoly on gun sales. There is one legal gun store in the country and it is run by the army.
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No... it is difficult to get guns legally in Mexico, but it not illegal altogether. The state has a legal monopoly on gun sales. There is one legal gun store in the country and it is run by the army.
At least all those gun control measures keeps gun crime low, though.
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TTAG has picked up the story
Biden Pulls a Trump Card – Rare Breed FRT-15 Trigger Now Classified as a Machine Gun
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/biden-pulls-a-trump-card-rare-breed-frt-15-trigger-now-classified-as-a-machine-gun/
If you own one the ATF will be contacting you and you should either destroy it, and provide photo evidence, or turn it over to the ATF
UPDATE: Rarebreed vs ATF & What ATF Says FRT 15 Owners Should Do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l131Jw_S6A0
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‘Ghost’ busters: Illinois becomes first state in Midwest to ban untraceable do-it-yourself ‘ghost guns’
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2022/5/18/23125377/illinois-becomes-first-state-in-midwest-to-ban-unmarked-untraceable-ghost-guns
“A child should not be able to build an AR-15 like they’re building a toy truck. A convicted domestic abuser should not be able to evade scrutiny by using a 3D printer to make a gun,” Pritzker said at the bill signing in St. Sabina Church’s gymnasium, surrounded by Mayor Lori Lightfoot, Chicago Police Supt. David Brown and community leaders.
A child :facepalm:
Under the law, people who own gun kits would have to get them stamped with serial numbers within 180 days of the effective date of the law.
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Cory Booker wants to require you to get a license from the DOJ before you can buy or receive a gun
Democrats have not leaned into gun control measures in the wake of the racist shooter’s deadly attack in Buffalo over the weekend, but Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) is taking on the issue despite long legislative odds. Booker, along with Sens. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) and Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), is introducing legislation today that would require people trying to get a firearm to get a license from the Department of Justice before they can buy or receive a gun.
The DOJ license would require both a written firearm safety test and hands-on training, a criminal background check and submission of fingerprints and proof of identity. The license would only be available to people over 21 years of age, essentially raising the age of gun ownership to 21.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/oh-hell-no-dem-senators-bill-would-require-doj-approval-before-americans-can-buy-guns/
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Cory Booker wants to require you to get a license from the DOJ before you can buy or receive a gun
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/oh-hell-no-dem-senators-bill-would-require-doj-approval-before-americans-can-buy-guns/
So if you even got approved, probably a good five years to get your "permit".
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Cory Booker can eat a bag of male genitalia
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[clears throat]
[scans democrat rallies and protest pics]
Ah yes, here it is.
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UE9_LpWeB5U/WZiZ4aKxOiI/AAAAAAAAEos/RbAS-bjjdYU9Cty4QxDkHcKvJGuOl7YwwCLcBGAs/s1600/Berkeley-Riot-Ungovernable-900.jpg)
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See what happens now
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KM Tactical got hit with a cease & desist over their 80% kits
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxzerW_QVPLbzhpMiQlOhU3x4mSI9Ia_zK
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[clears throat]
[scans democrat rallies and protest pics]
Ah yes, here it is.
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UE9_LpWeB5U/WZiZ4aKxOiI/AAAAAAAAEos/RbAS-bjjdYU9Cty4QxDkHcKvJGuOl7YwwCLcBGAs/s1600/Berkeley-Riot-Ungovernable-900.jpg)
Something about terms being acceptable. They want to go, let's do it. I'm sick of their existence.
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I will not comply.
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"Protecting our Kids Act"
Bill
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU00/20220602/114852/BILLS-117-HR-N000002-Amdt-1.pdf
Raises min purchase age for semi autos with a capacity > 5rds
Large cap magazines restrictions (10rds) and buys backs
Requirement that all firearms be traceable
Closes the "Bump Stock Loophole" (?)
Prohibition on straw purchases (already illegal)
Safe storage (A fine and you forfeit the firearm if violated)
House committee eyes Thursday vote for wide-ranging gun control legislation
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/31/politics/house-bill-gun-control/index.html
BREAKING: HUGE Gun Control Package Moves Forward
https://docs.house.gov/Committee/Calendar/ByEvent.aspx?EventID=114852
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Should add an amendment that repeals GCA and NFA. That should kill it dead.
Brad
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Looking at the bump stock def section it appears binary triggers and similar would be lumped in with bump stocks and thus illegal. Guess that "explains" loophole.
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Still examining
All "high" cap magazines manufactured after this bill must have serial numbers
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Lets see... looks like we're expanding the definition of a frame or receiver to encompass AR uppers. Also looks like we're calling 80%'s a "receiver" Frame or receiver includes: casting or machined bodies that requires modification, including machining, drilling, filing or molding, to be used as part of a functional firearm, and which is designed and intended to be used in the assembly of a functional firearm.
Looks like were killing off home manufacturing.
Also this could bone NFA supressor builds and the like: It shall be unlawful for a person other than a licensed manufacturer or importer to engrave or cast a serial number on a firearm in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce unless specifically authorized by the Attorney General.
This looks like existing home builds will become illegal if not serialized:
Beginning on the date that is 30 months after the date of enactment of this subsection, it shall be unlawful for any person other than a licensed manufacturer or importer to knowingly possess a ghost gun in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce.
Not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this paragraph, the Attorney General shall prescribe regulations for engraving a unique serial number onto a ghost gun.
Looks like existing jigs, fixtures and the like for finishing 80% builds will become illegal.
Except as provided in subparagraph (A), beginning on the date that is 180 days after the date of enactment of this subsection, it shall be unlawful for any person other than a licensed manufacturer to possess, purchase, or receive, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a machine that has the sole or primary function of manufacturing firearms.
There's a section that requires safe storage around minors or ineligible persons. With criminal penalties and forfeiture.
Some state bribes with money.
For each of fiscal years 2023 through 2027, the Attorney General shall give affirmative preference to all Bureau of Justice Assistance discretionary grant applications of a State or Indian Tribe that has enacted legislation functionally identical to section 922(z)(4) of title 18, United States Code.’’.
Closing down any psudo-machineguns.
10rd mag caps with grandfather clause, also looks like maybe transfers of existing normal mags are restricted? And grant money to purchase privately held ones.
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I haven't looked at the whole thing yet, so I won't panic yet. There may be some obviously unconstitutional stuff that will kill it at the gate.
That said, dammit, I saw a Memoria lDay sale on Gen2 Pmags for $9.99 and was thinking, "I've got plenty, but that's what I said about ammo a month before that blew up." Perhaps I should have bought ten or twenty. I'll be interested looking around over the next couple of days to see what's happening with mags.
That five round limit is gonna be DOA. Otherwise good lawyers could argue revolvers will be illegal.
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Meanwhile, the International Association of Chiefs of Police and the Fraternal Order of Police sent a letter on Friday to Republican and Democratic leadership in the House and Senate offering to help work on gun measures.
Yeah, the cop groups can *expletive deleted*ck right off. They're all going to have exemptions, so they can sit this out.
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Appears instead of going after "assault weapons" directly they're going after their magazines probably in an attempt to limit political damage before the midterms and to give the appearance to the left they're doing something . Then if they survive the midterms they'll go for the rest.
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They think an assault weapon ban will fail in the courts.
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They think an assault weapon ban will fail in the courts.
Since when has that stopped them?
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That five round limit is gonna be DOA. Otherwise good lawyers could argue revolvers will be illegal.
That's a feature, not a bug.
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They think an assault weapon ban will fail in the courts.
And AW ban has never failed in the courts.
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And AW ban has never failed in the courts.
True, but we have some more case law now.
As is always the case with politicians look at what they are doing, not saying. They have their lapdogs in the news talking about right wing extremist courts, and they've stopped even talking seriously about AWBs. Even Biden, Mr. I'm the only one to go to to toe and beat the NRA said he can't ban an entire type of weapon.
They don't want case law on what "In common use" really means. At least not until SCOTUS really changes it's makeup.
Home made firearms and mags are much lower hanging fruit.
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Not going anywhere at the moment with zero co-sponsors but bears watching
H.R.7544 - To provide a private right of action against the maker of any component of a ghost gun, and any person who facilitated a sale of the ghost gun, for injury or death resulting from the use of the ghost gun.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7544/text?r=1&s=1
"Any Component"
Ban On Parts Submitted!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dejv8y0rT3M
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Very little of this Federal stuff has been hitting the MSM. They seem to be focusing on covering legislation in places like New York, where it appears that among other things, a body armor ban is "a sure thing".
Whether anything passes or not, once this hits the MSM, I suspect a lot of prices are going through the roof. I don't necessarily need more right now, but I just order more 5.56 and .300BLK mags while the prices are still normal. If they sit in the gun closet for ten years, that's fine.
I might even order some Level IV plates. Just because.
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Very little of this Federal stuff has been hitting the MSM. They seem to be focusing on covering legislation in places like New York, where it appears
Almost as if they don't want you to know what your betters are doing for your own good in congress. [tinfoil]
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GOA has been sending legislative action alerts. Yesterday was a link to contact my Senators. I assume trying to head off attempts at compromise. I am sure there are better ways to wipe out the Republicans advantage this Fall, but not many.
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Do you all think we are getting another ammo buying freak out again? :mad:
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Do you all think we are getting another ammo buying freak out again? :mad:
Yep.
Brad
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I haven't seen any federal legislation regarding ammo. Did I miss it (quite possible)?
Surprising, actually, that they wouldn't try for some quantity caps, or like CA, eliminate mail order.
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National red flag bill is being pushed
BREAKING: Senators WAY TOO CLOSE On National Red Flag Bill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idw8OMmjIhY
Think it's this one.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/2377/text
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I'm going to predict right now that Rs will cave on minimum age of 21 and red flag laws as "reasonable compromises". I don't like either, but dislike the red flag laws the most. Very dangerous.
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I'm going to predict right now that Rs will cave on minimum age of 21 and red flag laws as "reasonable compromises". I don't like either, but dislike the red flag laws the most. Very dangerous.
The basic idea of a red flag law is good. If someone you know well is behaving in a way that a reasonable person would think is a significant risk to themselves or others then having a means to intervene before tragedy strikes is great. But, like so many times, a good idea quickly get corrupted and at best it becomes a useless law, and at worst gives political enemies a means to cripple the opposition.
I think to tame that abuse potential there should be some mechanism to hold accountable those that abuse red flag laws. In theory my sister (a very anti-gun lefty) could call in an ERPO on me even though we barely talk to each other every couple of years. If she wanted the upper hand in, say, division of our parent’s estate after they pass and she used an erpo to get that I should be able to take her to the cleaners in a lawsuit. And/or she should become subject to whatever term in prison I faced.
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Show me actual due process before confiscating any property and VERY severe penalties (huge fines and felony level jail time) for false/malicious reports and I'll start listening.
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The basic idea of a red flag law is good.
I disagree. The basic idea is that the government can strip you of your rights based on an accusation. In modern history, gun rights have always been treated as a fake right. That should change.
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Get a load of this jackass General (ret):
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/06/03/hope-you-get-that-sweet-msnbc-gig-youre-vying-for-maj-gen-ret-paul-eaton-torched-for-thread-claiming-an-ar-15-is-a-weapon-of-war/
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[popcorn]
We need to:
Ban assault weapons — and if we can’t, then we should raise the age to purchase them from 18 to 21.
Ban high-capacity magazines.
Strengthen background checks.
Enact safe storage laws and red flag laws.
Repeal gun manufacturers’ immunity from liability.
— President Biden (@POTUS) June 2, 2022
Your crackhead son lied on a federal background check form so he could illegally buy a gun.
I don’t want to hear a word from you on gun laws until your deadbeat, crackhead, porn-addled gun criminal son Hunter is behind bars. https://t.co/gLHuQokKGS
— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) June 3, 2022
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/06/03/your-crackhead-son-lied-so-he-could-illegally-buy-a-gun-sean-davis-just-annihilates-biden-for-tweet-pushing-new-gun-laws/
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Americans have a right to own weapons of war. That is exactly why the Second was written. Every court case regarding that addressed what weapons we have a right to own from the beginning of the country to US versus Miller made it clear that weapons that are part of the ordinary military equipment are protected. Most of these cases involved state RKBA provisions.
I even recall a court case from Texas that specified cannons as protected weapons.
This is an actual fact of history, not my opinion.
An exhaustive treatment of RKBA in the 18th century can be found here:
https://davekopel.org/2A/LawRev/19thcentury.htm#III.
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The basic idea of a red flag law is good. If someone you know well is behaving in a way that a reasonable person would think is a significant risk to themselves or others then having a means to intervene before tragedy strikes is great. But, like so many times, a good idea quickly get corrupted and at best it becomes a useless law, and at worst gives political enemies a means to cripple the opposition.
I think to tame that abuse potential there should be some mechanism to hold accountable those that abuse red flag laws. In theory my sister (a very anti-gun lefty) could call in an ERPO on me even though we barely talk to each other every couple of years. If she wanted the upper hand in, say, division of our parent’s estate after they pass and she used an erpo to get that I should be able to take her to the cleaners in a lawsuit. And/or she should become subject to whatever term in prison I faced.
I agree with the responses.
The idea that someone can get help or intervention doesn't seem like a bad thing, but it should be done by friends or close relatives if at all. Using the law enforcement system to do that is never going to work and will always be overbearing and oppressive.
Look at the older guy who was killed by police when he decided he didn't want to let them in? No matter how many protections are put in place, stuff like that could still happen. Even if you could be informed of a red flag hearing and attend to defend yourself, is that really something that should happen in a free country? If you have done nothing criminal, you should be left alone. Also, I have come across plenty of people who are excitable or don't communicate the best and would have difficulty defending themselves if cops came around to question them or a judge started grilling them. They shouldn't have to go through that just because some well meaning person (or not well meaning) reported them.
It wasn't that long ago we discussed an event in Georgia where a father was shot through an outside window by a cop who was lurking around the house and got the dogs barking. The daughter's ex-husband's mother called in a false report after which the police decided to search around the house and peak through windows instead of knocking. Anytime the police get involved, there are going to a percentage of bad incidents.
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Yeah.
It seems that the easiest way to get an unruly family member killed is to call the police to "help" them.
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Some people have had enough.
(https://media.communities.win/post/STvi5tFR8O7P.jpeg)
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Yesterday was a link to contact my Senators.
Considering that IL-ANNOY's senators are backing this garbage, contacting them is an exercise in futility.
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Some amusing takes here:
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/06/03/dude-read-the-bible-gun-grabber-learns-the-hard-way-his-take-on-jesus-not-owning-firearms-is-not-the-gotcha-he-thought-it-was/
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Considering that IL-ANNOY's senators are backing this garbage, contacting them is an exercise in futility.
The GOA contact forms just take a minute. Yeah, your Reps might be rabidly anti-gun, OR they might be supporting it because a few more people asked them to. IMO, they pay attention to the emails and calls even if it is just to tally up the numbers. I wouldn't dismiss it too easily.
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The GOA contact forms just take a minute. Yeah, your Reps might be rabidly anti-gun, OR they might be supporting it because a few more people asked them to. IMO, they pay attention to the emails and calls even if it is just to tally up the numbers. I wouldn't dismiss it too easily.
Unfortunately, IL-ANNOY's senators are "Tricky Dicky" Durbin and Tammy Duckworth(less). Durbin drank the Brady "Flavor-Aide" years ago. [barf]
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Unfortunately, IL-ANNOY's senators are "Tricky Dicky" Durbin and Tammy Duckworth(less). Durbin drank the Brady "Flavor-Aide" years ago. [barf]
They’re just as bad as my Senators (Murray, who is easily one of the stupidest senators in history, and Cantwell).
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An increasingly mainstream message of gun maximalists is that the *reason* to be armed is so that you can use violence or the threat of it to get your way in the political sphere, basically:"People in government need to worry we'll pump their bodies full of lead if they cross us"
"Gun maximalists". Are they cousins to ultra MAGAs?
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/06/04/msnbcs-chris-hayes-trips-over-the-founders-while-slamming-deranged-interpretation-of-the-2nd-amendment/
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The idea that the Constitution was written to give the government a monopoly on violence 180 degrees opposite to what it actually says. Of course the Second was written so regular joes could shoot agents of the state. That is exactly who the Americans had been fighting for seven years!
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Show me actual due process before confiscating any property and VERY severe penalties (huge fines and felony level jail time) for false/malicious reports and I'll start listening.
Their argument is that being allowed to argue -- two weeks after the confiscation -- that you should get your guns back is sufficient due process.
I don't agree, but apparently state courts in some states that already have these laws have bought into that, hook, line, and sinker.
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1,000% tax on "assault" weapons
A House Democrat plans to introduce a bill that would hit AR-15's with a 1,000% tax — and it could pass Congress without GOP votes
https://www.businessinsider.com/democrat-ar-15-rifles-tax-congress-gun-control-biden-administration-2022-6
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1,000% tax on "assault" weapons
A House Democrat plans to introduce a bill that would hit AR-15's with a 1,000% tax — and it could pass Congress without GOP votes
https://www.businessinsider.com/democrat-ar-15-rifles-tax-congress-gun-control-biden-administration-2022-6
I was just gonna post that. Can you imagine $20K ARs? How about when they really wanna get rid of combustion engine cars and a Toyota Corolla costs $100K after taxes? I'm only a layman, but this has to be illegal/unconstitutional?
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The NRA's fault. ;/
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/06/05/they-both-strappin-cellphone-video-appears-to-have-captured-the-start-of-the-mass-shooting-in-philadelphia-last-night/
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I was just gonna post that. Can you imagine $20K ARs? How about when they really wanna get rid of combustion engine cars and a Toyota Corolla costs $100K after taxes? I'm only a layman, but this has to be illegal/unconstitutional?
If it’s not unconstitutional it should be. 1000% tax is an effective ban. Until they stack SCOTUS we might have a chance striking it down, if it gets passed.
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Can you imagine all those who currently own ARs/AKs and/or own other "toys" and might take exception to such shenanigans? I bet they outnumber the military and and possibly police as well.
Glad I just acquired 2 33 round "giggle sticks" for my G19 to go with the 2 factory mags I already had. Hope paying $20 for the pair, NIB, wasn't too much. =D :old:
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Chris Murphy claims there won't be an "assault weapon" ban. That may be true, given what it would do to dems in November.
He suggests that red flag laws will be a shoe-in with plenty of R votes. I would not be surprised. Red Flag laws are the kinds of things establishment Rs love, in the same vein as the Patriot Act, etc. "Drop the hammer" legislation with no regard for unintended consequences and/or innocent or minor offenders getting the full hammer blow.
If there were an avenue to punish false accusers, it wouldn't be as bad, but like Title IX, we'll be seeing lots of innocent people's lives destroyed with zero repercussions for false and malicious accusers.
Note that the link below doesn't mention red flag laws, but when I read the story this morning, they had red flag laws in it. It has apparently been edited since.
https://www.businessinsider.com/murphy-bipartisan-gun-reform-no-assault-weapons-ban-background-checks-2022-6
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If it’s not unconstitutional it should be. 1000% tax is an effective ban. Until they stack SCOTUS we might have a chance striking it down, if it gets passed.
The SC hasn't bothered to even hear one of the many possible court cases on state AW bans over years. None of these have been overturned (permanently) by lower courts.
We will see soon if Amy Barrett is going to make any difference. John Roberts would vote against us for sure.
Given how pathetic the court has been on guns for a decade, I don't think they are going to overturn any of the bans or licensing schemes. Nothing the court has done has had any effect on the large majority of the USA. It has only effected the extreme outliers (Washington DC). The current case we are waiting on will presumably only effect the small number of states with may-issue CCW.
If these states are forced to go shall issue, they will probably just make it obsecenely difficult and expensive to get a permit, and stack on banned locations... and every court will think that is just fine.
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Chris Murphy claims there won't be an "assault weapon" ban. That may be true, given what it would do to dems in November.
He suggests that red flag laws will be a shoe-in with plenty of R votes. I would not be surprised. Red Flag laws are the kinds of things establishment Rs love, in the same vein as the Patriot Act, etc. "Drop the hammer" legislation with no regard for unintended consequences and/or innocent or minor offenders getting the full hammer blow.
If there were an avenue to punish false accusers, it wouldn't be as bad, but like Title IX, we'll be seeing lots of innocent people's lives destroyed with zero repercussions for false and malicious accusers.
Note that the link below doesn't mention red flag laws, but when I read the story this morning, they had red flag laws in it. It has apparently been edited since.
https://www.businessinsider.com/murphy-bipartisan-gun-reform-no-assault-weapons-ban-background-checks-2022-6
Supposedly the Red Flag law will be one of those we won’t give the states certain moneys unless they enact certain regulations things. Even our current congress knows they can’t enact this as Fed Law. I’ve personally thought that BS was unconstitutional all along, but SCOTUS being SCOTUS.
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If wonder if Joe remembers saying this ...
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I was just gonna post that. Can you imagine $20K ARs? How about when they really wanna get rid of combustion engine cars and a Toyota Corolla costs $100K after taxes? I'm only a layman, but this has to be illegal/unconstitutional?
I don't know at what point it becomes unconscionable, but the federal government effectively did this with machine guns in 1934. A $200 tax on a machine gun that might cost $200. That appears to have stood the test of time.
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I don't know at what point it becomes unconscionable, but the federal government effectively did this with machine guns in 1934. A $200 tax on a machine gun that might cost $200. That appears to have stood the test of time.
Yep. Congressmen at the time felt that an outright ban on certain types of guns would be an unconstitutional infringement of the 2nd Amendment. They felt that a de facto ban using taxes would hold up in the courts. Hard to see how that is any different from Jim Crow laws pricing the exercise of other rights out of reach for certain citizens.
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I don't know at what point it becomes unconscionable, but the federal government effectively did this with machine guns in 1934. A $200 tax on a machine gun that might cost $200. That appears to have stood the test of time.
Google sez a Tommy-gun sold for $200 back in 1934 but the NFA tax, which frankly should have been ruled unconstitutional, and might have been overturned if Miller hadn’t died before SCOTUS heard his case, was still “only” a 100% tax for that gun.
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If I want to make a suppressor, I have to buy that $200 tax stamp.
The thing will have maybe $20 worth of material in it. Maybe.
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$20 of material translates to probably $200-300 retail.
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He suggests that red flag laws will be a shoe-in with plenty of R votes. I would not be surprised. Red Flag laws are the kinds of things establishment Rs love, in the same vein as the Patriot Act, etc. "Drop the hammer" legislation with no regard for unintended consequences and/or innocent or minor offenders getting the full hammer blow.
I think he's right. We got whacked with a red flag law two or three years ago. The Republicans in the state legislature fell all over themselves voting for it.
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1,000% tax on "assault" weapons
A House Democrat plans to introduce a bill that would hit AR-15's with a 1,000% tax — and it could pass Congress without GOP votes
https://www.businessinsider.com/democrat-ar-15-rifles-tax-congress-gun-control-biden-administration-2022-6
The "assault weapon" will henceforth be priced at $1. The sling it comes with - an untaxed item - will be priced at $749.
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Google sez a Tommy-gun sold for $200 back in 1934 but the NFA tax, which frankly should have been ruled unconstitutional, and might have been overturned if Miller hadn’t died before SCOTUS heard his case, was still “only” a 100% tax for that gun.
According to https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
$200 in 1934 = $4,315.06 in 2022
Be glad they haven't adjusted for inflation...yet
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What’s the bigger threat right now? Red flag laws or 30 round magazines?
I see red flag laws loosely worded to the point where anyone can raise a warning and get your guns confiscated. Due process out the window and years of legal fighting to get your guns back.
The above is a win/win for the left.
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What’s the bigger threat right now? Red flag laws or 30 round magazines?
I see red flag laws loosely worded to the point where anyone can raise a warning and get your guns confiscated. Due process out the window and years of legal fighting to get your guns back.
The above is a win/win for the left.
Red flag by far
10rd mag restrictions aren't going to have that big of effect no matter how much screaming is done over them.
Red Flag laws on the other hand open the door to being abused out the arse by anyone from the Karen next door to the govt.
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Red flag by far
10rd mag restrictions aren't going to have that big of effect no matter how much screaming is done over them.
Red Flag laws on the other hand open the door to being abused out the arse by anyone from the Karen next door to the govt.
Agreed.
Brad
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Yep. Congressmen at the time felt that an outright ban on certain types of guns would be an unconstitutional infringement of the 2nd Amendment. They felt that a de facto ban using taxes would hold up in the courts. Hard to see how that is any different from Jim Crow laws pricing the exercise of other rights out of reach for certain citizens.
The justification for using taxing power was that under the 10th Amendment there was no power for the feds to regulate guns. There is a federal power to "tax" to raise revenue. They didn't care about the Second Amendment. Back then the 10th Ammendment wasn't quite as dead as it is now. Recall a new constitutional amendment was needed for Prohibition?
Of course, you are right about everything else- it is unconstitutional, given the tax isn't to raise revenue, but rather to screw over our rights. But that doesn't stop congress anyway. Expecting the judges appointed by the Federal government to limit its power in any meaningful way has not worked out.
The Constitution appears to have been a horrible mistake. We should have stuck with the articles of confederation.
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If I want to make a suppressor, I have to buy that $200 tax stamp.
The thing will have maybe $20 worth of material in it. Maybe.
I remember seeing monocore "solvent traps" on Alibaba for $6.99 a while back.
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Now there is "naked Hunter Biden with an illegal gun" imagery floating around, which should help cement Brandon's gun control push hypocrisy. The link is mostly eye safe.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/06/06/a-naked-hunter-biden-is-there-any-other-kind-apparently-cant-help-but-further-kneecap-joe-bidens-gun-control-push/
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I remember seeing monocore "solvent traps" on Alibaba for $6.99 a while back.
The 9mm monocore on my AR-9 cost me $239.99 (+ shipping). $200 of that was taxes. I've seen some guntubers that did the even cheaper Chinese "fuel filters". They'll work for pistol calibers.
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Red flag by far
10rd mag restrictions aren't going to have that big of effect no matter how much screaming is done over them.
Red Flag laws on the other hand open the door to being abused out the arse by anyone from the Karen next door to the govt.
I also agree they’ll abuse the sh*t out of the red flag law.
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Realistically, I'd expect it to be abused about as often as a Domestic Violence Protection Order is abused by a lying partner. It's a pretty similar mechanism.
Which is to say: A fair amount, but not so much that the statistics are common knowledge.
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GUN CONTROL UPDATE: Senator Says They Won't Get Assault Weapon Ban & MORE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKvEi1GUGKE
Just need another "incident" to turn that around.
Say sometime this week. [tinfoil] [tinfoil] [tinfoil] [tinfoil] [tinfoil]
50 lbs of tin foil on my head is starting to hurt my neck
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How about $10,000?
$20,000?
Blue-check suggests a $5,000 a gun buyback for three months, no questions asked
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/06/06/blue-check-suggests-a-5000-a-gun-buyback-for-three-months-no-questions-asked/
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How about $10,000?
$20,000?
Blue-check suggests a $5,000 a gun buyback for three months, no questions asked
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/06/06/blue-check-suggests-a-5000-a-gun-buyback-for-three-months-no-questions-asked/
You know what, if they found private money instead of taxpayer dollars and offered $5000 or $50000 per gun, I say let them knock themselves out. That's someone's personal choice.
Bloomberg is a billionaire. As the left always says about Musk and world hunger, why hasn't Bloomberg put up billions of dollars to "buy back" guns from people for $5000 a pop?
Edit: reading the link after I posted (as usual), I only mean the buyback part, not the banning and ratting people out part.
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You know what, if they found private money instead of taxpayer dollars and offered $5000 or $50000 per gun, I say let them knock themselves out. That's someone's personal choice.
Bloomberg is a billionaire. As the left always says about Musk and world hunger, why hasn't Bloomberg put up billions of dollars to "buy back" guns from people for $5000 a pop?
Edit: reading the link after I posted (as usual), I only mean the buyback part, not the banning and ratting people out part.
I report Hunter Biden
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How about $10,000?
$20,000?
Blue-check suggests a $5,000 a gun buyback for three months, no questions asked
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/06/06/blue-check-suggests-a-5000-a-gun-buyback-for-three-months-no-questions-asked/
More evidence that gun control is largely about disarming poor people.
And the rest of is making sure you don't even have a bulletproof vest for your own protection.
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"The Conversation", via Yahoo News, goes out of their way in hoop jumping to show why 18 year olds are too young, dumb, and immature to buy a gun, but not to vote. They seem to imply that voting doesn't require maturity or intelligence, and any dummy can vote, which is why that's okay.
https://news.yahoo.com/historical-psychological-reasons-why-legal-124949936.html
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I report Hunter Biden
He brought it upon himself. New photos out of him with illegal gun. Think anything will happen to him? Hell no.
Now back to the thread conversations..
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He brought it upon himself. New photos out of him with illegal gun. Think anything will happen to him? Hell no.
Now back to the thread conversations.
The only way he'd be charged with any crime is if he stops kicking back 10% for The Big Guy.
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More evidence that gun control is largely about disarming poor people.
And the rest of is making sure you don't even have a bulletproof vest for your own protection.
More renewed talk about restricting even passive protection - you're vulnerable and have to stay that way! (Don't some jurisdictions already restrict gas masks?) Before long, they'll be trying to mandate weaker doors and locks as well so LEOs can enter your home more easily.
There's no longer just an honest difference of opinion between "Left" and "Right" - the Lefties are either downright crazy or they have sinister intent. (These are not mutually exclusive characteristics.)
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You know what, if they found private money instead of taxpayer dollars and offered $5000 or $50000 per gun, I say let them knock themselves out. That's someone's personal choice.
Bloomberg is a billionaire. As the left always says about Musk and world hunger, why hasn't Bloomberg put up billions of dollars to "buy back" guns from people for $5000 a pop?
Edit: reading the link after I posted (as usual), I only mean the buyback part, not the banning and ratting people out part.
The buy back only makes sense from a "ban guns" perspective if you can just use the $5K to buy a couple more guns. If someone was throwing around stupid money, I think I could pick up some sub-$300 guns and make a profit. Who wouldn't turn a HiPoint into a Cabot 1911 if they could?
Then again, this was just someone's suggestion. People can come up with all sorts of crazy ideas to spend money when they don't have to foot the bill.
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The buy back only makes sense from a "ban guns" perspective if you can just use the $5K to buy a couple more guns. If someone was throwing around stupid money, I think I could pick up some sub-$300 guns and make a profit. Who wouldn't turn a HiPoint into a Cabot 1911 if they could?
Then again, this was just someone's suggestion. People can come up with all sorts of crazy ideas to spend money when they don't have to foot the bill.
Well, yeah. I have a few guns I'd like to trade up. =D
A guy could do pretty good business build PSA rifles and selling them to the buyback. Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good.
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Thinks they have 58 votes with at least 2 wavering.
Takes 60 to override a filibuster
UPDATE: The Race To Red Flag & Defeating The Filibuster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYa2Alox7ng
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/03/upshot/gun-control-polling-votes.html
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New York Times: Gun Control Less Popular Than Advertised
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It’s one of the most puzzling questions for Democrats in American politics: Why is the political system so unresponsive to gun violence? Expanded background checks routinely receive more than 80 percent or 90 percent support in polling. Yet gun control legislation usually gets stymied in Washington and Republicans never seem to pay a political price for their opposition.
1. I don't think the polling is accurate as the questions asked are usually leading questions.
2. Gun control has never equaled violence control and I think a lot of people realize that even if they can't put it into words.
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1. I don't think the polling is accurate as the questions asked are usually leading questions.
Given how they're treated in the media, gun owners generally don't participate in the polls to begin with, even if the poll is "unbiased" enough to even poll them. The polls seem to use San Francisco and NYC as their sample populations. Just one time, they should try a poll in flyover country, excluding cities with over 50,000 population to see what the poll numbers say.
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More renewed talk about restricting even passive protection - you're vulnerable and have to stay that way! (Don't some jurisdictions already restrict gas masks?) Before long, they'll be trying to mandate weaker doors and locks as well so LEOs can enter your home more easily.
There's no longer just an honest difference of opinion between "Left" and "Right" - the Lefties are either downright crazy or they have sinister intent. (These are not mutually exclusive characteristics.)
I kinda like that they're talking about body armor bans (for us little people). It really lays bare their true intent.
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Before long, they'll be trying to mandate weaker doors and locks as well so LEOs can enter your home more easily.
Police control, man.
https://youtu.be/mkGsYEKOswU?t=51
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Says they have 60 votes for a bill
No solid word what's in it yet
BREAKING NEWS: Gun Control Bill Has Been Drafted! They Reportedly Have 60 VOTES!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcI1VNfbqVI
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Says they have 60 votes for a bill
No solid word what's in it yet
Of course not. We'll just have to pass it to find out what's in it. â„¢
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I see even Fox News has Matthew McConaughey blasted on their main page today regarding his speech at the White House, and seems to be casting him in a positive light for "sensible" reform. Which includes red flags, enhanced background checks, 21 or over, and waiting periods, which surprisingly, I hadn't heard talked about much by politicians. That's usually a favorite, though it would have done nothing in these last two incidents.
It seems to me that something distasteful will pass, given that so many establishment and squishy Rs, and non-gunny conservatives in general, want to "do something".
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Not much we can do about it until November. Just have to wait and see what GOA does about it and the voters.
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Liked the replies to this one.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/06/07/george-takei-shares-his-crazy-thought-about-ar-15s-and-inadvertently-spills-the-beans-about-what-gun-grabbers-are-really-after/
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Yea Matt pushed folks over the top with his bloviated speech yesterday. Expect mag bans, red flag laws and age restrictions at the minimum….. :facepalm:
Guess I should inventory my mags that hold more than 10 rounds and see where I’m at.
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Yea Matt pushed folks over the top with his bloviated speech yesterday. Expect mag bans, red flag laws and age restrictions at the minimum….. :facepalm:
Guess I should inventory my mags that hold more than 10 rounds and see where I’m at.
The local rag (Austin American-Statesman) put Matt's opinion piece AT THE TOP OF THE FRONT PAGE OF THEIR PAPER! I don't care if they did have a little "opinion" tag on it, it's still an editorial on the front page, not the editorial page - they're not even PRETENDING to be a "news"paper any more.
"News"paper should at least pretend to be fair and impartial . . . this paper has been doing so by having "from the left" and "from the right" columns inside on the editorial page. (Both columns are on the same page - literally and often editorially; Orange Man Bad, need more gun safety laws, etc. Go figure.)
I'm not going to renew my subscription - the only reason I don't cancel right now is because I'm pretty sure they'll mess up the refund.
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I kinda like that they're talking about body armor bans (for us little people). It really lays bare their true intent.
I sort of wonder how that kind of law would be set up. I can see companies selling 10x14 targets with spall coatings (for safety) or soft targets for the same reason.
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I see even Fox News has Matthew McConaughey blasted on their main page today regarding his speech at the White House, and seems to be casting him in a positive light for "sensible" reform. Which includes red flags, enhanced background checks, 21 or over, and waiting periods, which surprisingly, I hadn't heard talked about much by politicians. That's usually a favorite, though it would have done nothing in these last two incidents.
It seems to me that something distasteful will pass, given that so many establishment and squishy Rs, and non-gunny conservatives in general, want to "do something".
I want to know why the *expletive deleted*ck a goddamn pedowood actor’s opinion is driving this *expletive deleted*it and why his *expletive deleted*ing dogshit opinion matters more than the millions upon millions of gun owners.
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I want to know why the *expletive deleted*ck a goddamn pedowood actor’s opinion is driving this *expletive deleted*it and why his *expletive deleted*ing dogshit opinion matters more than the millions upon millions of gun owners.
Because he's a good actor*. That's not a knock on your post, it's more agreement with it. He actually gave an emotionally powerful speech, and if you look at the emotion, rather than the logic, you can see why this speech is everywhere, with even people like Twitchy editors, who spend their whole day making fun of progs, talking about the good points he made.
It's actually a little scary seeing how such a speech could sway people on emotion alone.
*Though I believe he was not acting, but using his acting training. I believe he is sincere in what he is saying, even though I disagree with much of it.
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Yep, lets enact laws and run the country based on emotion.
Pretty much how we got the *expletive deleted*it show we in now.
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I want to know why the *expletive deleted*ck a goddamn pedowood actor’s opinion is driving this *expletive deleted*it and why his *expletive deleted*ing dogshit opinion matters more than the millions upon millions of gun owners.
Because he's a good actor*. That's not a knock on your post, it's more agreement with it. He actually gave an emotionally powerful speech, and if you look at the emotion, rather than the logic, you can see why this speech is everywhere, with even people like Twitchy editors, who spend their whole day making fun of progs, talking about the good points he made.
It's actually a little scary seeing how such a speech could sway people on emotion alone.
*Though I believe he was not acting, but using his acting training. I believe he is sincere in what he is saying, even though I disagree with much of it.
Uvalde, TX is also Matthew McConaughey's home town. He was born there. People think that gives him some special insight on the whole event.
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Cornyn tries to reassure the pro-2A people:
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/06/john-cornyn-texas-gun-bipartisan-uvalde/
WASHINGTON — U.S. Sen. John Cornyn, the lead GOP negotiator in the Senate’s efforts to pass bipartisan gun safety legislation, is managing expectations over what kind of bills he’s willing to get behind.
But the answer to that question isn’t going to satisfy many Democrats who are pushing for restrictions that include expanded background checks and raising the age to purchase a firearm in the wake of the devastating elementary school shooting in Uvalde.
“Targeted reforms, I think, is the way to get to where we need to go,” Cornyn said in a Senate floor speech on Monday.
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Yep, lets enact laws and run the country based on emotion.
Pretty much how we got the *expletive deleted*it show we in now.
One snippet of his speech that I saw was talking about how a girl's parents were only able to identify her body because of a shoe they recognized, which kind of plays into the, "AR15s turn people into dust" thing. That's pretty powerful for people who don't understand science.
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One snippet of his speech that I saw was talking about how a girl's parents were only able to identify her body because of a shoe they recognized, which kind of plays into the, "AR15s turn people into dust" thing. That's pretty powerful for people who don't understand science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OswxDfzEXaU
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Here's the emotion we need right now
Holy cow she nails it
I doubt you'll see any of this in the MSM
Ms. Hughes calls out calls for gun control
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoUNpJtYYWU
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Here's the emotion we need right now
Holy cow she nails it
I doubt you'll see any of this in the MSM
Ms. Hughes calls out calls for gun control
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoUNpJtYYWU
Yeah, she was good.
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I don't think until 2023, anything new will be passed, the numbers aren't there in the Senate.
If the Dems can take control of both the house and senate, 2023-2024 will probably be a hold my beer 2 years.
At the state level, things will probably happen in the dominate blue states, probably not much in the dominate red states.
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I want to know why the *expletive deleted*ck a goddamn pedowood actor’s opinion is driving this *expletive deleted*it and why his *expletive deleted*ing dogshit opinion matters more than the millions upon millions of gun owners.
The ancient Romans had the right idea for the proper social standing and relevance for actors.
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I don't think until 2023, anything new will be passed, the numbers aren't there in the Senate.
If the Dems can take control of both the house and senate, 2023-2024 will probably be a hold my beer 2 years.
At the state level, things will probably happen in the dominate blue states, probably not much in the dominate red states.
I still believe "21 and over" is a shoe-in if nothing else is.
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I still believe "21 and over" is a shoe-in if nothing else is.
Agreed. There's already well established cultural and legal precedent with handguns.
They should tobacco to that list too. That'll kill the bill right quick! :P
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Agreed. There's already well established cultural and legal precedent with handguns.
They should tobacco to that list too. That'll kill the bill right quick! :P
And abortion.
That should trigger some howling
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And abortion.
That should trigger some howling
And voting, getting married, enlisting, conscription ...
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And voting, getting married, enlisting, conscription ...
gambling, signing student loans, prosecuted as an adult, ...
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Yeah but abortion will get get them foaming at the mouth like nothing else.
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Yeah but abortion will get get them foaming at the mouth like nothing else.
Double down with no sex change surgery or hormone treatment other than CIS gendered until 21.
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Double down with no sex change surgery or hormone treatment other than CIS gendered until 21.
How’s about we also quit using made up nonsense terms like cis-gender. Cis and trans are descriptors for chemical isomer arrangements. Cis means “this side of” and trans means “the other side of”. So cis-gender literally means “this side of types/classes of nouns”.
Following the language alterations simply empowers the left to maintain that as a source of power.
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$100 tax on every round produced "that can be used as a round of ammunition in any multi-round weapon"
$100 tax on every one of those rounds purchased
$100 annual tax on every one of those rounds owned
A Modest Proposal: Tax Ammo at a Benjamin for Each Round
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/a-modest-proposal-tax-ammo-at-a-benjamin-for-each-round/
How about a $100 tax every time a liberal opens their mouth and says something stupid?
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How’s about we also quit using made up nonsense terms like cis-gender. Cis and trans are descriptors for chemical isomer arrangements. Cis means “this side of” and trans means “the other side of”. So cis-gender literally means “this side of types/classes of nouns”.
Following the language alterations simply empowers the left to maintain that as a source of power.
Or triple down! Are you E or Z normative? Do you orient R or S? :lol:
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I contacted Senator Cornyn's office via a GOA email link a couple days ago. This is the boiler plate response that came back within a few minutes. I thought it might say more about "gun control compromise", but not really.
The primary was in March. I am pretty sure he won (I voted for a challenger). I am not voting for him in November if he supports gun control.
Subject: Thank You For Contacting My Office
Dear Mr. MechAg94:
Thank you for contacting me regarding federal firearms laws. I appreciate having the benefit of your comments on this important matter.
On May 24, 2022, a gunman maliciously took the lives of 21 innocent people, including 19 children at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas. My heart goes out to the loved ones of those who lost their lives as they grieve such a cruel tragedy. This is an incredibly difficult time for the Uvalde community, Texas, and our Nation. My office is coordinating with federal, state, and local officials to assist the people of Uvalde as they navigate the aftermath of this senseless act of violence.
As your Senator, I am committed to focusing on the root causes of mass violence, fully enforcing current law, and addressing improvements to mental health care in America. I will continue to push for effective solutions that protect communities and preserve citizens' Second Amendment rights. As a strong proponent of the Second Amendment, I believe it is essential to safeguard law-abiding citizens' constitutional right to own and use firearms for lawful purposes. Restricting this right runs counter to the intent of our Founding Fathers, who expressly guaranteed that citizens would retain the right to keep and bear arms.
It is encouraging that the Supreme Court has upheld the will of our Founders and re-affirmed the ideals upon which our country was established. The Supreme Court's ruling in District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) affirmed that Americans' constitutional rights remain secure from federal government intrusion. I was proud to sign an amicus brief to the Supreme Court supporting the fundamental right of American citizens to keep and bear arms. This landmark ruling continues to have implications far beyond the District of Columbia. In the 2010 McDonald v. City of Chicago decision, the Supreme Court struck down the arbitrary gun ban in Chicago-thereby affirming that the Second Amendment protects Americans' fundamental rights against state and local encroachment.
As a former Texas Supreme Court Justice and Attorney General, I have firsthand knowledge of crime-fighting policies that work, and I believe citizens' Second Amendment rights should not be restricted because of the actions of criminals. Rather, we must focus our attention on the source of violent crime: criminals who use firearms to harm innocent Americans. I believe strictly enforcing the law-and imposing tougher sentences on career criminals and violent offenders who use firearms-will reduce violence more effectively than gun or equipment bans, which primarily serve to take firearms away from law-abiding citizens.
Furthermore, I believe Americans with concealed handgun licenses should not sacrifice their safety and peace of mind when traveling between states. That is why I was proud to introduce the Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2019 (S.69; 116th Congress). This bill would have allowed qualified individuals to carry a concealed handgun into, or possess a concealed handgun in another state that allows its residents to carry concealed firearms. While this bill did not pass last Congress, I look forward to working with my colleagues on furthering protection of Americans' Second Amendment rights during the 117th Congress.
As your Senator, I will continue to champion the Second Amendment and work to provide resources for individuals with mental health issues to help ensure that our communities our safe and our Constitutional rights are not infringed.
I appreciate having the opportunity to represent Texas in the United States Senate, and will continue working with my colleagues to protect our Second Amendment rights. Thank you for taking the time to contact me.
Sincerely,
JOHN CORNYN
United States Senator
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Agreed. There's already well established cultural and legal precedent with handguns.
They should tobacco to that list too. That'll kill the bill right quick! :P
The cultural and legal precedent ever since the English colonized the USA is that young adults have the right own guns.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUtPQheWQAAfUXm?format=jpg&name=small)
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The View's Joy Behar: "Once black people get guns in this country, the gun laws will change — Trust me." pic.twitter.com/896fexK41Z
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) June 8, 2022
You want to tell her?
‘The View’s’ Joy Behar unaware that black Americans own guns too
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/06/08/the-views-joy-behar-unaware-that-black-americans-own-guns-too/
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So the house bill that passed has a "15 round mag limit".
The bill would also prohibit the sale of ammunition magazines with a capacity of more than 15 rounds.
Ten rounds has always seemed to be their magic number. I would assume this 15 round limit is a compromise number and wonder which side of the aisle promoted it.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-votes-tminimum-age-21-semi-automatic-weapons
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I think that's a typo
Everything else I'm seeing says 10
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Mrgunsngear points out a flaw in the NY body armor prohibition. The current law only prohibits soft armor, most likely because it was written by people who know as much about armor as they do about semi-autos and "machine guns":
https://youtu.be/Azc-BPGDRak
Apparently NY also caught it after the fact and the governor said she will sign additional legislation if it's put on her desk.
AFAIK, the Buffalo shooter used hard armor.
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I think that's a typo
Everything else I'm seeing says 10
Could be, though a possibility is that 15 was chosen to be more palatable from the handgun side. Back in CA, I saw a lot of, "This doesn't affect me and my guns, so what do I care?" stuff.
Maybe they think this is a way to separate people who use handguns* for defense vs rifles. We know a good percentage of the new gun owners over the last two years have leaned left. I'd be curious to know what percentage of them bought handguns and/or shotguns vs rifles (including AR pistols and the like).
*I realize most full sized handguns these days are 17-21 rounds, but the legislators might think losing a couple of rounds isn't as big a deal as losing 20 or more rounds of capacity. Nevermind still having to buy new and expensive magazines.
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Unless I'm missing an amendment or something the text of the bill says 10
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7910/text
Be willing to bet the person who wrote that Foxnews article above had 15 as in AR-15 on the brain
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Meanwhile RI is moving to flat out ban >10rd mags. No grandfathering
Within 180 days, the legislation would require the owner to permanently modify the large capacity feeding device such that it cannot hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition; surrender the large capacity feeding device to a municipal police department or the Rhode Island State Police or transfer or sell it to a federally licensed firearm dealer "or person or firm outside the state of Rhode Island that is lawfully entitled" to own it.
Also age restrictions and banning open carry of shotguns and rifles.
High capacity magazines, age restrictions, and open-carry gun laws slated for RI votes
https://www.providencejournal.com/story/news/politics/2022/06/07/rhode-island-house-vote-gun-control-laws-open-carry-weapons/7543876001/
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The Hill is also reporting "15 rounds". Not saying you're wrong, WLJ, just that we seem to have conflicting (as usual) information in the MSM.
https://thehill.com/news/house/3516366-two-democrats-vote-against-advancing-gun-legislation/
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The Hill is also reporting "15 rounds". Not saying you're wrong, WLJ, just that we seem to have conflicting (as usual) information in the MSM.
https://thehill.com/news/house/3516366-two-democrats-vote-against-advancing-gun-legislation/
And then when you click on a link in that https://thehill.com/news/house/3516681-house-passes-sweeping-gun-package-in-largely-party-line-vote/
You get this gem
prohibit civilian use of ammunition magazines with more than 15 rounds
Nothing in the bill prohibits the use of >10/15 rds mags just the selling of news ones to us common folk
Unless they amended the bill or added another bill into the mix in a way that's not showing up I don't know what's going on except maybe like I said above they've got 15 stuck in their head as in AR-15.
I guess they're have to pass it to find out what's in it.
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If it passes, How long till someone starts selling 80% magazine flats?
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If it passes, How long till someone starts selling 80% magazine flats?
Ghost magazines
Wonder if they could sell the parts under the guise of replacement parts? Just have to buy your magazines one part at a time. Here comes another loophole that will need to be closed
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Roll Call 245 | Bill Number: H. R. 7910
https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2022245
5 Ky reps voted Nay (all r)
1 voted Yea (d)
Of course Yarmuth voted yea. POS never saw a gun control bill he didn't love.
Thank God he's retiring
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And they finally updated the text of the bill pertaining to "hi cap" magazines
Must of have update the webpage for the bill in the last day or two since I was checking for changes
“(42) The term ‘large capacity ammunition feeding device’—
“(A) means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, helical feeding device, or similar device, including any such device joined or coupled with another in any manner, that has an overall capacity of, or that can be readily restored, changed, or converted to accept, more than 15 rounds of ammunition; and
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7910/text#toc-H527916A72D084906A233F41BD04F5DB9
So I guess Glock 19s, PX4 Compacts, Hellcat both sub C and Pro are safe.
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The Senate may announce their version as soon as today:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/12/politics/senate-gun-safety-agreement/index.html
The story suggests there will be no rifle ban, but says nothing about mag limits.
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You may notice some familiar names in the list
I just chucked my Logitech mouse into a drawer
228 high-powered CEOs—from Lyft to Bain Capital—are calling for ‘bold, urgent action’ on gun violence
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/10/ceos-demand-bold-urgent-action-on-gun-reform-in-letter-to-senate.html
The list. Some are the usual suspects like Ben&Jerry's and Levi Strauss
https://www.ceosforgunsafety.org/pages/2022
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I put CEOs in the same category as actors. If it's not something you have expertise on, like how the economy is affecting your business, then STFU. Your opinion is no more important than anyone else's.
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I hate getting used to a new mouse
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Pretty clear Fortune Magazine is no friend of the gun industry
Fortune tries to get FTC to go after gun industry
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/06/12/fortune-gun-industry-n59249
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Just popped up in my YT feed
Watching as I post
BREAKING: Senators Have 60 Votes for Red Flag & MORE!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Pa9ytD0qcc
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Imagine that, Mitt Romney
Note: There is no text yet, this is just an agreement so this could fall apart.
UPDATE: These 10 Traitor Republicans Turned Their Backs On The Constitution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSgOylgCMgg
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I can't imagine how a Senator from Missouri, with some of the most pro-gun laws on the books; and a Senator who is up for re-election this year, could possibly think his constituents will look the other way on this.
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Blount is not running for reelection.
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Blount is not running for reelection.
Oh. I forgot about that. Hope he has no further ambitions for office, then.
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Of course *expletive deleted*ing Graham never misses an opportunity to reach across the aisle to *expletive deleted*ck us over
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The framework calls for legislation that would eliminate straw-purchasing firearms, support state-level crisis intervention orders; fund mental health resources for children and families; enhance protections for victims of domestic violence, and increase funding for school safety and mental health initiatives.
Do they want to explain how legislation will eliminate straw-purchases?
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Do they want to explain how legislation will eliminate straw-purchases?
They could try passing a law against it.
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So it appears that the most egregious part of the senate legislation is the "incentive" for states to enact and/or enhance red flag laws. Whether carrot or stick, it'll probably involve dollars that many states won't say "no" to.
It may be there, but I saw nothing regarding penalties for falsely reporting someone.
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John Cornyn – Texas
Thom Tillis – North Carolina
Roy Blunt – Missouri
Richard Burr – North Carolina
Bill Cassidy – Louisiana
Suan Collins – Maine
Lindsey Graham – South Carolina
Rob Portman – Ohio
Mitt Romney – Utah
Pat Toomey – Pennsylvania
BREAKING: Senate Reaches Gun Control Compromise Deal With 10 Republicans Signing On
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/breaking-senate-reaches-gun-control-compromise-deal-with-10-gopers-signing-on/
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Thom Tillis is a complete waste of oxygen in NC. A useless RINO, nothing more. I was really hoping he would get primaried out the last go around, but we got stuck with him again.
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Here’s some highlights in the “bipartisan agreement”
https://thewaterburyobserver.bulletin.com/chris-murphy-instrumental-in-school-safety-and-gun-control-bi-partisan-agreement-in-u-s-senate/?fs=e&s=cl
Support for State Crisis Intervention Orders
● Provides resources to states and tribes to create and administer laws that help ensure deadly weapons are kept out of the hands of individuals whom a court has determined to be a significant danger to themselves or others, consistent with state and federal due process and constitutional protections.
Investment in Children and Family Mental Health Services
● National expansion of community behavioral health center model; major investments to increase access to mental health and suicide prevention programs; and other support services available in the community, including crisis and trauma intervention and recovery.
Protections for Victims of Domestic Violence
● Convicted domestic violence abusers and individuals subject to domestic violence restraining orders are included in NICS, including those who have or have had a continuing relationship of a romantic or intimate nature.
Funding for School-Based Mental Health and Supportive Services
● Invests in programs to expand mental health and supportive services in schools, including: early identification and intervention programs and school based mental health and wrap-around services.
Funding for School Safety Resources
● Invests in programs to help institute safety measures in and around primary and secondary schools, support school violence prevention efforts and provide training to school personnel and students.
Clarification of Definition of Federally Licensed Firearms Dealer
● Cracks down on criminals who illegally evade licensing requirements.
Telehealth Investments
● Invests in programs that increase access to mental and behavioral health services for youth and families in crisis via telehealth.
Under 21 Enhanced Review Process
● For buyers under 21 years of age, requires an investigative period to review juvenile and mental health records, including checks with state databases and local law enforcement.
Penalties for Straw Purchasing
● Cracks down on criminals who illegally straw purchase and traffic guns.
Two hours before the announcement was made Murphy was on CNN's State of the Union and said,"I've never been part of negotiations as serious as these. There are more Republicans at the table talking about changing our gun laws and investing in mental health than at any time since Sandy Hook."
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So, what percentage of FFLs are illegally evading the licensing requirements? Guessing they're going to change a few definitions.
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I suspect that we're going to see a slow boil of regulation and swamp creatures...
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The devil's in the details of course, but some 9f that I'd actually support, and I like that it seems to concentrate on the people committing crimes rather than guns or magazines.
Of course they can still make it a steaming pile of horseshit during the drafting phase.
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Always read a proposed law considering the absolute worst possible interpretation and implementation imaginable.
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Lawdog on Red Flag laws...
http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2022/06/red-flag-laws-again.html
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Under 21 Enhanced Review Process
● For buyers under 21 years of age, requires an investigative period to review juvenile and mental health records, including checks with state databases and local law enforcement.
This is one that I worry about. Under 21 today, everybody tomorrow "because we already do it for under 21. It should be universal!".
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There could be a simple way to include juvenile records without opening them up. Just put a rating on them or just a go/no-go that only applies for say 5 years. If someone has a felony juvenile record, it will stay with them for 5 years at least as far as NICS is concerned. Include a way review and correct the record if there is an error.
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This is one that I worry about. Under 21 today, everybody tomorrow "because we already do it for under 21. It should be universal!".
I don't love it, but also: You're either a prohibited person under the specific set of federal laws governing what is a prohibited person, or you're not. You can investigate all you like, and you might find some people that were prohibited person which weren't classified as such, but you won't find people who aren't prohibited suddenly being such - unless the definitions of prohibited person also shift.
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Under 21? Just steal guns from a gun store.
22 stolen guns leads to just 21 days behind bars for teen suspect
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/06/13/22-stolen-guns-leads-to-just-21-days-behind-bars-for-teen-suspect-n59307
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What Didn't Make The Cut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjRqtM6Cc4c
John Crump talks about what gems were cut out of the gun control compromise.
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2nd Amendment Foundation sent an email today noting that this is an agreement between 10 Dems and 10 Repubs, but there has been no law drafted yet. The other Dems may not agree with the compromise. I guess we will see where this goes.
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no GOP of the 10 is seeking or up for reelection this year.
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Now that the door has been cracked open in the Senate
Universal background checks (pointless without registration )
Under 21 ban on "assault" weapons
License to buy an "assault" weapon
"Hi cap" mag ban. Who knows what number?
Mandatory safe storage requirements and penalties
And some straw purchase and trafficking BS
REVEALED: They Want MORE Gun Control!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_tjuDtkU70
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no GOP of the 10 is seeking or up for reelection this year.
John Cornyn of Texas is up for re-election. He already won the primary election in March.
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Now that the door has been cracked open in the Senate
Universal background checks (Note: pointless without registration )
Under 21 ban on "assault" weapons
License to buy an "assault" weapon
"Hi cap" mag ban. Who knows what number?
Mandatory safe storage requirements and penalties
And some straw purchase and trafficking BS
REVEALED: They Want MORE Gun Control!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_tjuDtkU70
We already have most of these in Washington state.
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We already have most of these in Washington state.
Well, we don't in Kansas, and I'm not all that enamored with it!
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We already have most of these in Washington state.
Has the murder rate gone up or down since?
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Has the murder rate gone up or down since?
Up. But I’d pin that on the idiotic “defund the police” movement and a new rule prohibiting pursuing fleeing criminals than the gun laws. Gun laws didn’t help for sure though.
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Has the murder rate gone up or down since?
Also the University of Washington is no longer investigating rapes. Not sure if it’s the university itself, or Seattle PD, but either way, they’ll take the evidence but won’t pursue it. At least not for a long time.
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Up. But I’d pin that on the idiotic “defund the police” movement and a new rule prohibiting pursuing fleeing criminals than the gun laws. Gun laws didn’t help for sure though.
Well obviously the answer then is MORE strict gun laws and MORE lenient criminal laws.
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Also the University of Washington is no longer investigating rapes. Not sure if it’s the university itself, or Seattle PD, but either way, they’ll take the evidence but won’t pursue it. At least not for a long time.
See! It's working! The incidence of rape has gone down.
SF actually pulled this crap where after they decriminalized certain crimes they loudly proclaimed a drop in crime
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Also the University of Washington is no longer investigating rapes. Not sure if it’s the university itself, or Seattle PD, but either way, they’ll take the evidence but won’t pursue it. At least not for a long time.
Someone's going to lock the doors from the outside and burn a frat house to the ground.
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My older daughter will NOT be attending UW.
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^^^I think you are talking about the Seattle PD in general, not the UW
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/times-watchdog/seattle-police-halted-investigating-adult-sexual-assaults-this-year-internal-memo-shows/
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AOC: Including juvenile records in background checks might be racist:
https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/06/14/aoc-expanding-background-checks-to-include-juvenile-records-in-the-senate-gun-bill-might-be-racist-n476129
"something something white supremacy"
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AOC: Including juvenile records in background checks might be racist:
https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/06/14/aoc-expanding-background-checks-to-include-juvenile-records-in-the-senate-gun-bill-might-be-racist-n476129
"something something white supremacy"
Just make it so all (not just juvenile) felonies and criminal record issues drop off the background check after 10 years? Maybe 15 years. I would be okay with that.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/murder-suicides-by-pilots-are-vexing-airlines-as-deaths-mount/ar-AAYoW66
For decades, commercial airline travel has gotten progressively safer. But one cause of deaths has stubbornly persisted: pilots who intentionally crash in murder-suicides.
Preliminary evidence suggests the crash of a China Eastern Airlines Corp. jet in March may be the latest such tragedy, a person familiar with the investigation said. If confirmed, that would make it the fourth since 2013, bringing deaths in those crashes to 554.
How many have been killed in mass shooting events in that time?
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/murder-suicides-by-pilots-are-vexing-airlines-as-deaths-mount/ar-AAYoW66
For decades, commercial airline travel has gotten progressively safer. But one cause of deaths has stubbornly persisted: pilots who intentionally crash in murder-suicides.
Preliminary evidence suggests the crash of a China Eastern Airlines Corp. jet in March may be the latest such tragedy, a person familiar with the investigation said. If confirmed, that would make it the fourth since 2013, bringing deaths in those crashes to 554.
How many have been killed in mass shooting events in that time?
As far as fatalities go that's less than an avg year in Chicago. 794 in 2021 alone.
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NJ looking to emulate NY on gun company lawsuits.
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I heard an opinion that once the current gun control efforts are concluded, the administration will turn back toward trying to restrict imports more.
Any thoughts?
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I heard an opinion that once the current gun control efforts are concluded, the administration will turn back toward trying to restrict imports more.
Any thoughts?
Imports are one area where POTUS has a lot of authority - I don't think he's done his worst there yet.
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Imports are one area where POTUS has a lot of authority - I don't think he's done his worst there yet.
I recall that he said he would hit the EOs after legislation was passed to "shore up" the legislation.
I think we've talked about it before, but I can't recall what modern foreign "everyday" arms (e.g., Sig, Walther) that would affect. I think most of the foreign makers have domestic facilities.
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The video I was watching happened to be talking about MP5 clones. Atlantic Firearms has/had some POF guns available (Pakistani Ordnance Factory). I don't think H&K has US production. I think it is the company that used to import the Turkish clones that is now making a US made MP5.
Anyway, if imports are restricted, certain imports that are collectible now will become more valuable. The problem is predicting which ones. I would think the best angle would be to stick with brands that have a cult following like H&K. American made versions might pop up, but the originals would still be there.
Just a thought. It is still enough of a gamble I doubt I would buy anything that I didn't sort of want anyway.
Edit: The CMP still has M1 Garands or sale. That is probably a better way to make a few dollars.
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Biden needs to get his own family's house in order before he insists people should be thrown in jail for improper firearm storage:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/06/15/gun-grabber-joe-biden-apparently-had-five-guns-as-of-2018-according-to-his-son-hunter-biden/
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Meanwhile RI is moving to flat out ban >10rd mags. No grandfathering
Also age restrictions and banning open carry of shotguns and rifles.
High capacity magazines, age restrictions, and open-carry gun laws slated for RI votes
https://www.providencejournal.com/story/news/politics/2022/06/07/rhode-island-house-vote-gun-control-laws-open-carry-weapons/7543876001/
Passed the legislature. I'm assuming the gov will sign
Be interesting to watch how the outright ban of >10 mags with no grandfathering goes
Edit: Whoops. forgot the link
RI legislature approves mag ban, ban on gun sales to under-21s, and more
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/06/15/ri-gun-control-laws-n59402
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Under the bill, those who already own large-capacity magazines or weapons that hold more than 10 rounds will have 180 days to comply with the law by either permanently altering the weapon so it can no longer hold more than 10 rounds, turning it into their local or state police, or transferring or selling it to a federally licensed firearm dealer or person or outside the state who is lawfully entitled to own or possess it. The bill provides exceptions for current and retired law enforcement officers and active duty military or National Guard members.
Hmmmm
"permanently altering the WEAPON"
Rhode Island General Assembly Passes Sweeping Gun Control Legislation
https://www.thenewportbuzz.com/rhode-island-general-assembly-passes-sweeping-gun-control-legislation/36901
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^^^
retired law enforcement officers
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Why would retired law enforcement officers need "high capacity" magazines?
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Why would retired law enforcement officers need "high capacity" magazines?
And they include current military, but not retired military.
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AOC: Including juvenile records in background checks might be racist:
https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/06/14/aoc-expanding-background-checks-to-include-juvenile-records-in-the-senate-gun-bill-might-be-racist-n476129
"something something white supremacy"
How about requiring a current valid photo ID?
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How about requiring a current valid photo ID?
Well, that's obviously racist.
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Remember this?
1,000% tax on "assault" weapons
A House Democrat plans to introduce a bill that would hit AR-15's with a 1,000% tax — and it could pass Congress without GOP votes
https://www.businessinsider.com/democrat-ar-15-rifles-tax-congress-gun-control-biden-administration-2022-6
Well the bill has been introduced and it has support
Also includes >10rd magazines
The 1,000% tax would apply to military-style "assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines capable of carrying 10 rounds or more, adding thousands of dollars to the final sales price of such guns in a bid to severely restrict their access. The cost of those weapons typically range between $500 and $2,000, depending on location and other variables. That means the plan would add $5,000 and $20,000 to the final price tag.
No Rs needed for passing
It's intended to pass through budget reconciliation, a legislative maneuver allowing Democrats to sidestep GOP resistance and approve legislation with a simple majority vote. Democrats employed the tactic to pass President Joe Biden's stimulus law as well as the House-approved Build Back Better bill that later died in the 50-50 Senate.
Only measures that are deemed to have a large impact on the federal budget can be put into such a bill. Three budget experts told Insider that the bill would likely qualify to be included in a reconciliation package that Democrats hope to revive by summer's end, as it is structured as a tax.
37 House Democrats roll out a bill to hit AR-15-style weapons with a 1,000% tax that could pass Congress without Republican support
https://www.businessinsider.com/house-democrats-ar-15-tax-gun-control-reconciliation-2022-6
Doesn't mean it's going anywhere but bears watching
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The bill
https://beyer.house.gov/uploadedfiles/awe_act_text.pdf
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It won't get 50 D's but it might get a few R's.
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Tin-foil-hat mode on [tinfoil] What the dems need right now is a highly publicized emotional event involving "assault" guns to exploit. Tin-foil-hat mode off.
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Dealer special: AR-15 for $1 if you also buy a sling for $(price of AR before the tax).
1000% tax on $1 = $10
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Dealer special: AR-15 for $1 if you also buy a sling for $(price of AR before the tax).
1000% tax on $1 = $10
Brilliant idea if I do say so myself!
Reply #490: https://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=63952.msg1357856#msg1357856
;) :rofl:
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Great minds think alike.
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Great minds think alike.
And fools never differ . . . but let's not go there.
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A person with knowledge of the situation tells us that, more than just “considering” the move, Winchester, which operates the US Army’s Lake City ammunition plant, has been informed that it may no longer sell M855 and SS109 ammunition produced in excess of the military’s needs on the civilian market.
How would that affect the civilian supply of .223 and 5.56 ammunition? We understand that approximately 30% of the commercial market’s sales volume of .223/5.56 is produced by Lake City.
BREAKING: Biden Administration Moves to Cut Off Lake City .223/5.56 Ammo From the Commercial Market
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/breaking-biden-administration-moves-to-cut-off-lake-city-223-5-56-ammo-from-the-commercial-market/
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Well cases won't be in my price range again.
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BREAKING: Biden Administration Moves to Cut Off Lake City .223/5.56 Ammo From the Commercial Market
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/breaking-biden-administration-moves-to-cut-off-lake-city-223-5-56-ammo-from-the-commercial-market/
Wouldn't commercial sales be part of the contract with Winchester? I wouldn't think they could or should be able to just order that without some lawsuits. I guess they could order the military to buy it all and stockpile it. I don't know the details of the contract.
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This is a Fox News poll, so one would expect equal, or even dominant conservative representation. Sadly, a strong percentage in favor of gun control.
https://www.foxnews.com/official-polls/fox-news-poll-voters-voice-support-gun-reform
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This is a Fox News poll, so one would expect equal, or even dominant conservative representation. Sadly, a strong percentage in favor of gun control.
https://www.foxnews.com/official-polls/fox-news-poll-voters-voice-support-gun-reform
A whole 1000 people polled nationwide.
Conducted June 10-13, 2022 under the joint direction of Beacon Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R), this Fox News Poll includes interviews with 1,002 registered voters nationwide who were randomly selected from a national voter file and spoke with live interviewers on both landlines and cellphones. The total sample has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points.
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/howcan-a-poll-of-only-100/
https://www.cloudresearch.com/resources/guides/statistical-significance/determine-sample-size/
https://www.janda.org/c10/Lectures/topic05/GallupFAQ.htm
1000 random people is a statistically significant sample size for a national poll.
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/howcan-a-poll-of-only-100/
https://www.cloudresearch.com/resources/guides/statistical-significance/determine-sample-size/
https://www.janda.org/c10/Lectures/topic05/GallupFAQ.htm
1000 random people is a statistically significant sample size for a national poll.
And Hillary will win by a landslide
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/howcan-a-poll-of-only-100/
https://www.cloudresearch.com/resources/guides/statistical-significance/determine-sample-size/
https://www.janda.org/c10/Lectures/topic05/GallupFAQ.htm
1000 random people is a statistically significant sample size for a national poll.
Of course it is, with the caveat that a bunch of assumptions are true about the population sampled, the questions asked, etc, etc, etc.
It would also be trivial to bias the outcome in a way that makes it hard to detect by an outside party if the company wanted to. There is rarely anything concrete to prove them wrong.
Seems like I have seen polls showing the opposite of what this poll says in recent times, but I don't always pay much attention to polls.
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Of course it is, with the caveat that a bunch of assumptions are true about the population sampled, the questions asked, etc, etc, etc.
It would also be trivial to bias the outcome in a way that makes it hard to detect by an outside party if the company wanted to. There is rarely anything concrete to prove them wrong.
Seems like I have seen polls showing the opposite of what this poll says in recent times, but I don't always pay much attention to polls.
You are now talking about something different than a statistically significant sample size for a national poll. You are now talking about sample selection and question bias driving the results of a poll.
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You are now talking about something different than a statistically significant sample size for a national poll. You are now talking about sample selection and question bias driving the results of a poll.
Both can be true here.
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Both can be true here.
If I were to believe the MSM, Fox News bias would be to selectively bias the poll to the opposite of what they got. That's why I posted it. I would assume (making an ass out of you and me) they would at the very least ask neutral questions. They still got a "pro gun control" response.
For me, this is something to discuss because those of us in the gun community sometimes insulate ourselves regarding what many "mainstream" conservative non-gun owners think. I do believe that most of them think things like "21 to buy a gun" and "universal background checks" are absolutely appropriate responses.
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You are now talking about something different than a statistically significant sample size for a national poll. You are now talking about sample selection and question bias driving the results of a poll.
I feel like that is what I was talking about the whole time. We have talked about polling before.
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Fox isn’t really on “our side”. They want to sell advertising. Whatever maximizes those add dollars is what they want generally speaking. But many at Fox also are trying to turn them into another left wing organization. Or at least move the Overton window so that “conservative” opinions become more left wing.
So they could be riling up the right to get more advertising bucks. They could be trying to make pro2A people look like the far fringe of conservative opinion. They could be looking to move the network to the left. Or they could have just been dumb enough to hire a polling firm that they shouldn’t have.
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All TV news is garbage.
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All TV news is garbage.
This right here is the truth.
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All TV news is garbage.
That's why I don't watch. I read. If I have questions on reporting I can go to other sites and see where the middle is.
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That's why I don't watch. I read. If I have questions on reporting I can go to other sites and see where the middle is.
Smart man.
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The Pennsylvania governor has posted an infographic to show how red flag laws work. I know nothing about him, so I can't tell if he's serious that this is a good example or if he's being sarcastic.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVVwVE5WAAEDFHV?format=png&name=small)
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/06/16/gov-tom-wolf-posts-a-cartoon-version-of-how-red-flag-laws-work-to-prevent-mass-shootings/
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Cryptic messages!
Cryptic messages!
Cryptic messages!
Ooh I just scared myself
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I saw this cartoon posted elsewhere, and thought it was spot on.
(https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/92687/608E77B7-04F9-4A12-8606-719E0EBDE9F7_jpe-2420445.JPG)
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All TV news is garbage.
Not just TV. More than a century ago, Mark Twain wrote something along the lines of "If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed."
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Not just TV. More than a century ago, Mark Twain wrote something along the lines of "If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed."
To bring this into the modern era:
... and if you read true information that makes you mistrust the government then you're malinformed.
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Kyle Rittenhouse
@ThisIsKyleR
Come and take ‘em, Joe.
https://twitter.com/ThisIsKyleR/status/1533930686121484295
Many of the comments are headache inducing
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The Pennsylvania governor has posted an infographic to show how red flag laws work. I know nothing about him, so I can't tell if he's serious that this is a good example or if he's being sarcastic.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVVwVE5WAAEDFHV?format=png&name=small)
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/06/16/gov-tom-wolf-posts-a-cartoon-version-of-how-red-flag-laws-work-to-prevent-mass-shootings/
Real World version
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1537791670149861377/photo/1
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVdVX4EWAAA3Gcw?format=jpg&name=large)
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Fun with demographics:
https://amgreatness.com/2022/06/16/boys-girls-guns-and-blacks/
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVddE8tXsAAGfUZ?format=jpg&name=small)
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Red flag laws lend themselves to serious abuse, and I don't trust them to either be designed or used in good faith.
However, I would note that whenever a mediagenic mass-shooting happens, in deflecting from gun control many folks on "our side" tend to point to the (inevitable) lengthy history of complaints about often sub-criminal, or mildly-criminal behavior on the part of the shooter and say "Well, look at how obviously crazy that person was, why didn't the cops do something before he snapped?" I've seen the argument more times than I can count on APS and have probably made it myself. It seems to me that proponents of that position are asking for some sort of red flag laws.
That said, I don't pretend to have any answers. If government could be trusted - both now and in perpetuity - then one might put a lot of possible solutions on the table. But the government absolutely cannot be trusted.
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Kyle Rittenhouse
@ThisIsKyleR
Come and take ‘em, Joe.
https://twitter.com/ThisIsKyleR/status/1533930686121484295
Many of the comments are headache inducing
Rittenhouse is an idiot.
That gun is already taken. FOPA-86 drives the market value of that gun well in excess of $200,000. Realistically, it should sell somewhere closer to a piece of precision industrial construction equipment, in the $5k-$10k range.
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https://mynorthwest.com/1491212/red-flag-law-washington/
I have been looking for actual data on the number of ERPOs in Washington state and why they are granted. I would have thought there would be state-wide numbers, but if so, I have not found them. I did see this tidbit in the article linked above:
For 2018, the unit assisted on a total of 71 ERPOs that were ultimately granted – only two of those were initiated by family members, though, highlighting the need to educate the public about the fact that they can ask the court for assistance.
Of the 71, Wyatt says 45 percent involved people threatening to hurt themselves, while 33 percent involved threats against others. The remainder was a mixture of the two.
Wyatt says most of the threats against others were domestic violence related.
So a big chunk of the orders granted in King County in 2018 were for threats of suicide and the rest were for threats against others, primarily domestic violence.
As long as there is due process and judicial review, I have no problem with the concept of temporarily or even permanently removing firearms from people with suicidal intent, or medical or psychiatric problems making them a danger to themselves or others, such as dementia. From the standpoint of predicting current or future dangerousness of someone, I am more skeptical on our ability to do so and there is lots of potential for political or legal manipulation of the system. It is hard to generate data on a negative: by temporarily removing these guns, we prevented X number of deaths or injuries.
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Rittenhouse is an idiot.
That gun is already taken. FOPA-86 drives the market value of that gun well in excess of $200,000. Realistically, it should sell somewhere closer to a piece of precision industrial construction equipment, in the $5k-$10k range.
He is a kid. Why are you looking at him for wise commentary on the RKBA?
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Rittenhouse is an idiot.
That gun is already taken. FOPA-86 drives the market value of that gun well in excess of $200,000. Realistically, it should sell somewhere closer to a piece of precision industrial construction equipment, in the $5k-$10k range.
That assumes it’s even transferable at all. It’s entirely possible the range has a SOT license and it’s a post-86 minigun.
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Polls were mentioned previously. This one came up on Truth about Guns.
Nearly 3 Out Of 4 Support Raising Legal Age To Buy Any Gun, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Support For Assault Weapons Ban Hits A Low
https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3848
( I guess it could be the same poll for all I know)
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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/3f46d93fee06c7a576db9b64a1bd3f68.jpg)
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Ok, so what does the article say?
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Says text of the bill will be made available later today.
BREAKING NEWS: Senate Negotiators Reach Agreement On Red Flag & Boyfriend Loophole!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOHVzf0pcF4
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A potential roadblock is inclusion of the Hyde Amendment in the gun-control bill:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/abortion-provision-latest-hangup-senate-gun-bill
... because guns should not be used to perform abortions, or something ...
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A potential roadblock is inclusion of the Hyde Amendment in the gun-control bill:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/abortion-provision-latest-hangup-senate-gun-bill
... because guns should not be used to perform abortions, or something ...
Hey, Republicans - how about attaching the Hearing Protection Act to the democrat gun bill?
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Hey, Republicans - how about attaching the Hearing Protection Act to the democrat gun bill?
Hey, no *expletive deleted*it. That's a great idea.
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Hey, Republicans - how about attaching the Hearing Protection Act to the democrat gun bill?
WHAT??
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According to this they have something they're trying to vote on today
Something about the abortion part of the red flag part being a sticking point
BREAKING: Senate Gun-Control Heads To The Floor For A Vote!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJUmvwqSvMc
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Live breakdown of the senate bill
Let's Go Over The Senate Gun Control Bill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crmnYDltbhE
The bill
https://www.murphy.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/bipartisan_safer_communities_act_text.pdf
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Mostly mental health stuff
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Fed funding for state level red flag laws
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Tons of FBI funding from somewhere. No guaranty of due process on the red flag laws. Just a suggestion.
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Ok, so what does the article say?
Sorry just noticed your question.
Thought I had type a comment but where did it go? Probably lost somewhere between keyboard and chair.
Anyway, that was a photo posted and the whole point is the absurdity of thinking an EO could magically stop "gun" violence.
The actual article never saw it, just the title was enough for me to know it was a waste of time.
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Investments in mental health. In other words federal $$$$$$$$$$
Federal grant program to “encourage” states to adopt “red flag” firearms seizure laws. Basically bribe money to get the states to do the dirty work
Expands background checks to anyone under 21 to include juvenile records
Changes the wording in what defines a gun dealer from someone who sells firearms “with the principal objective of livelihood and profit” to “‘to predominantly earn a profit.”
Makes straw purchases double secret illegal
Closes the "boyfriend loophole" by changing the definition of what is a relationship.
School safety clearing house. Not sure what what that is yet but I think basically more money for school security
***Update: Done Deal?*** Gun deal reportedly reached by Senate negotiators. Here's what's included
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/06/12/gun-deal-reportedly-reached-by-senate-negotiators-heres-whats-included-n59277
Senate deal finally a bill. Is it as bad as we thought?
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/06/22/senate-bill-n59604
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Well, those federal red flag ducats are gonna separate the posers from the real deals for "pro-gun" states. I hope my state makes the correct decision.
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Any chance some Democrats in the House torpedo it to avoid doing this before the election?
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Waiting for someone to propose a White Privilege Gun Tax bill since Blacks are subject to more murders and White privilege can be the ONLY explanation :O
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Washington Post's Max Boot claims 'GOP gun cult' is the 'sickness in U.S. culture'
https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-posts-max-boot-claims-gop-gun-cult-sickness-u-s-culture
The Washington Post article was blocked by a pay wall so I found this version. Just an anti-gun article for your amusement.
Boot chided the party for blaming everything else but guns for mass shootings, like the one in Uvalde, Texas. "They blame doors, video games, mental illness, "emasculated" men, family breakdown, demons, the lack of prayer in schools, Ritalin, antidepressants, social media, social isolation — anything and everything except the weapons used in these crimes," he stated.
This quote jumps out. Note he did not mention blaming the shooter. He also confuses "blame" with "prevention" with that list.
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Will any of the 14 GOP Senators who voted ‘yes’ on the bipartisan gun bill really suffer any electoral consequences?
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/06/22/will-any-of-the-14-gop-senators-who-voted-yes-on-the-bipartisan-gun-bill-really-suffer-any-electoral-consequences/
One error IMO. Cornyn is up for election in November. He won't be up for a primary election again for a while.
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So, Bill Clinton is telling people how to talk to gun owners.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkJZoxCUr1o&t=1s
My take
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52165997443_c9917c6db5_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ntJnB2)
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Winnie The Pooh Has Rifle Confiscated After Congress Passes ‘Red Flag’ Law
https://babylonbee.com/news/winnie-the-pooh-has-rifle-confiscated-after-congress-passes-red-flag-law
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Winnie The Pooh Has Rifle Confiscated After Congress Passes ‘Red Flag’ Law
https://babylonbee.com/news/winnie-the-pooh-has-rifle-confiscated-after-congress-passes-red-flag-law
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b0/af/63/b0af63673036e36a5b3c77ff122ed765.jpg)
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Schumer and gang attached it as an amendment to a bill to rename a court house in FL that had ready passed
DIRTY POLITICS! This Is How They Forced Through The Gun-Control Bill!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL3mmUgw9Ok
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there is lots of potential for political or legal manipulation of the system
Also criminal
Had a friend who got a welfare check: they pulled all the weapons out of the house (including a type 38 Arisaka and NCO katana w/intact mums). Police chief tried refusing to return them (took a judge to get them back)
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BREAKING: Biden Administration Moves to Cut Off Lake City .223/5.56 Ammo From the Commercial Market
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/breaking-biden-administration-moves-to-cut-off-lake-city-223-5-56-ammo-from-the-commercial-market/
The report may be erroneous: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DZyxMsapUM
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The report may be erroneous: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DZyxMsapUM
I saw that when when the video came out and it very well could be but he spoke to one guy who may or may not been in a position to know at the time.
But considering how this admin politicizes everything they touch I'm taking await and see attitude but leading toward it's true until I get firm proof otherwise merely as caution if nothing else.
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Feinstein added an amendment to raise the age to buy a semi auto and "hi cap" mags to 21
BREAKING: Dianne Feinstein Amendment Threatens Senate Bill (Raise The Age)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_Q9H-eAxfY
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Feinstein may be in effect effectively torpedoing this bill for us.
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Feinstein may be in effect effectively torpedoing this bill for us.
That would be nice. They may also try to slip in amendments through the reconciliation process. I think that would bypass the 60 vote requirement in the Senate.
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Signed
Absolutely nothing in the bill that would have had an effect what so ever on the recent shootings.
Biden Signs Cornyn-Murphy Gun Control Bill Into Law – ‘Lives Will Be Saved’
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/biden-signs-cornyn-murphy-gun-control-bill-into-law-lives-will-be-saved/
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Link to the bill: https://www.congress.gov/117/bills/s2938/BILLS-117s2938enr.pdf
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Does the bill include severability? IANAL, but I remember reading that some bills are written in a way that if one provision is thrown out by a court, the entire bill is voided. Other bills can have some provisions stricken without affecting the rest of the law.
Where does this latest bill fall?
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NJ moving ahead with new laws
Under the seven proposals — many of which Murphy has sought for more than a year — New Jersey would mandate people receive firearm training to obtain a gun permit, ban .50 caliber rifles, require micro-stamping technology, stipulate new residents moving from other states register firearms, regulate handgun ammunition, crack down on ghost guns, and make it easier to sue gun manufacturers and dealers over gun crimes in the state.
New NJ gun control bills head to Murphy for signing
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/06/30/new-nj-gun-control-bills-head-to-murphy-for-signing-n59918
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Meanwhile in Delaware 18 is a delicate age
Carney signs six gun control bills into law
https://www.capegazette.com/article/carney-signs-six-gun-control-bills-law/242473
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New York has a new CCW law designed to skirt the SCOTUS ruling. Colion Noir weighs in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeyKO-FYfNk
(some NSFW language)
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NJ moving ahead with new laws
New NJ gun control bills head to Murphy for signing
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/06/30/new-nj-gun-control-bills-head-to-murphy-for-signing-n59918
Signed
A-1302 – ammunition registration.
A-1765 – the “industry-killer bill.
A-4368 – microstamping
A-4370 – ban on gun ownership without training
S-1204 – registration double-standard for new residents
S-2846 – 10 years in jail for previously-legal kit guns
S-2905 – Bans .50 BMG firearms
Links to each at the link below
New Jersey governor signs (most of) his anti-gun wish list into law
https://bearingarms.com/john-petrolino/2022/07/05/new-jersey-governor-signs-most-of-his-anti-gun-wish-list-into-law-n60072
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Schumer and gang attached it as an amendment to a bill to rename a court house in FL that had ready passed
DIRTY POLITICS! This Is How They Forced Through The Gun-Control Bill!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL3mmUgw9Ok
I have long maintained that we need a constitutional amendment prohibiting any amendments to proposed legislation that are not directly related to the subject of the legislation.
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I have long maintained that we need a constitutional amendment prohibiting any amendments to proposed legislation that are not directly related to the subject of the legislation.
I didn't have to read your link since I have known since the beginning.
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Member of Congress calling on CEOs of gun manufacturers to appear before congress.
They are calling on them to provide info on how much profit they make selling weapons of war to civilians.
Witch Hunt: Congress To Question 2A CEOs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prONnzzUO8E
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Member of Congress calling on CEOs of gun manufacturers to appear before congress.
They are calling on them to provide info on how much profit they make selling weapons of war to civilians.
Witch Hunt: Congress To Question 2A CEOs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prONnzzUO8E
OK, as long as members of Congress also disclose how much money they have made owning stock in defense contractors whose weapons of war are used on civilians. I wouldn't let those petty narcissists sit up there and pretend their hands are clean.
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I'm pretty sure none of them would do it, but I would LOVE to see one (or more) of these CEOs just get up and walk out as soon as Schumer or Swalwell or whoever get into one of their finger waving tirades.
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Bearing Arms has picked up the story with more details
Rep. Carolyn B. Maloney (D-N.Y.), the committee’s chairwoman, on Wednesday sent letters to Marty Daniel, the CEO of Daniel Defense, Mark Smith, the president and CEO of Smith & Wesson Brands, and Christopher Killoy, the president and CEO of Sturm, Ruger & Co., requesting testimony as a part of a second hearing hosted by the committee examining the firearms industry.
Daniel Defense is the maker of the DDM4 rifle the gunman used to kill 19 children and two adults at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Tex., and a shooter on Monday used a Smith & Wesson M&P semiautomatic rifle to kill at least seven people and wound dozens of others during a July Fourth parade in Highland Park, Ill.
The July 20 hearing comes after Maloney launched an investigation into gun manufacturers in May. Maloney requested information from five manufacturers regarding the making, sale and marketing of deadly weapons used in mass shootings that were purchased legally and used by the gunmen responsible for the carnage in Uvalde, Highland Park and Buffalo.
Maloney requested each company’s gross revenue and profit from sales of semiautomatic rifles based on AR-15-style guns, annual spending on advertising and marketing of these rifles, annual spending on federal and state lobbying, and funding provided to the National Rifle Association. Maloney cites new financial information that has been provided to the committee so far as reason for the CEOs to appear.
“The information you provided has heightened the Committee’s concern that your company is continuing to profit from the sale and marketing of weapons of war to civilians despite the harm these weapons cause, is failing to track instances or patterns where your products are used in crimes, and is failing to take other reasonable precautions to limit injuries and deaths caused by your firearms,” Maloney wrote in a letter to Killoy, provided to The Washington Post.
House Dems target gun makers with public hearing
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/07/07/house-dems-target-gun-makers-with-public-hearing-n60165
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They're getting no traction with the January 6 show trial, so now they'll try a different show trial.
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They're getting no traction with the January 6 show trial, so now they'll try a different show trial.
The only thing congress is good for nowadays is show trials.
Are they going to call up abortion clinic admins and ask them how many babies they have killed.
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The only thing congress is good for nowadays is show trials.
Are they going to call up abortion clinic admins and ask them how many babies they have the killed.
... or how much money they made from selling body parts?
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I'm pretty sure none of them would do it, but I would LOVE to see one (or more) of these CEOs just get up and walk out as soon as Schumer or Swalwell or whoever get into one of their finger waving tirades.
It would make better theater for one or more of them to take out a newspaper and start reading it. (Better if they could find one with an unflattering headline about some prominent democrat.)
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It would make better theater for one or more of them to take out a newspaper and start reading it. (Better if they could find one with an unflattering headline about some prominent democrat.)
Just bring up on a screen the heyjackass website.
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It would make better theater for one or more of them to take out a newspaper and start reading it. (Better if they could find one with an unflattering headline about some prominent democrat.)
Does The Epoch Times have a print version?
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It would make better theater for one or more of them to take out a newspaper and start reading it. (Better if they could find one with an unflattering headline about some prominent democrat.)
I was hoping Alex Jones would have ignored their questions and start asking about questionable things in the congrescritters past. That would have been much more entertaining.
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Looks like Oregon is jumping on the bandwagon with a petition with more signatures than it needs. Among other things, magazine limits. Given the Portland-centric population, I would expect this to pass.
If it does, it will be a pain in my ass. I go to OR a lot, and have an OR permit. I'll need to, with my crappy old guy memory, continually have to remember to switch to 1911s when I go there, or buy otherwise useless ten round mags for some of my other carry guns.
https://www.kivitv.com/news/backers-of-oregon-gun-safety-measure-hope-for-fall-ballot
Edit: Actually, if this passes, it sounds like I'll probably lose my non-resident permit.
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Does The Epoch Times have a print version?
YES!!
I was reading one today, some one leaves them at my fave laundromat
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Edit: Actually, if this passes, it sounds like I'll probably lose my non-resident permit.
Wow, I didn't think any Oregon sheriffs were issuing a non-resident permit any more. This comes up periodically on the Washington fora and I think Douglas county may have been the only ones doing so recently.
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Wow, I didn't think any Oregon sheriffs were issuing a non-resident permit any more. This comes up periodically on the Washington fora and I think Douglas county may have been the only ones doing so recently.
It seems to be very fluid, and also changes as new sheriffs are voted in. My current permit is restricted to "Idaho residents in adjoining counties". If I was one county further East, I probably wouldn't have one. Back when I was in CA, Grant county was handing them out like candy, and that's where I got mine back then. They were even sending deputies to CA gun shows with their fingerprint machine and laptop. That sheriff was voted out a few years ago.
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So I just posted on a couple of Washington gun boards, and the consensus is that no one currently in Oregon is issuing a permit to Washington residents.
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So I just posted on a couple of Washington gun boards, and the consensus is that no one currently in Oregon is issuing a permit to Washington residents.
For kicks, I just checked out the Sheriff's website, and they have apparently become MORE lenient, which was surprising to me:
If you are interested in obtaining an Oregon Concealed Handgun License from the Malheur County Sheriffs Office you must live in Malheur County, Idaho or Nevada and meet all Oregon legislative requirements.
It appears they no longer restrict by county. WA is still out of luck though.
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False Flag or not?
I'm leaning toward yes
Anti-semitic leaflets blame Jews for gun control
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/07/13/anti-semitic-leaflets-n60349
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I doubt it. Neo-nazis have been blaming jews for control for years.
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I doubt it. Neo-nazis have been blaming jews for control for years.
Yeah, but the target audience seems a bit too convenient for use by the MSM.
I get suspicious when things fit too nicely into place whether left or right.
Just my nature.
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Nadler and friends expected to introduce an "assault" weapons ban bill next week.
Bearing Arms gives it almost zero chance.
Still bears watching though
Nadler: House Democrats will mark up gun ban bill next week
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/07/15/nadler-house-democrats-will-mark-up-gun-ban-bill-next-week-n60466
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If the Supreme Court starts overturning AW bans... what will the Democrats start doing to replace them? Adding them to the NFA? Requiring them to be stored in safes? Obscene licensing requirements? The Supremes have shown zero interest in stopping licensing requirements.
I don't see how this is going to end. =|
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If the Supreme Court starts overturning AW bans... what will the Democrats start doing to replace them? Adding them to the NFA? Requiring them to be stored in safes? Obscene licensing requirements? The Supremes have shown zero interest in stopping licensing requirements.
I don't see how this is going to end. =|
Which licensing requirements? Do you mean tax stamps requirements?
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Which licensing requirements? Do you mean tax stamps requirements?
I am talking about gun licensing in general...
The Supreme Court appears to be okay with gun licensing (for a "right" that is supposedly not second class).
Some licensing requirements right now are obscene; for example to get a permit to own a pistol in New York is horrid.
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If the Supreme Court starts overturning AW bans... what will the Democrats start doing to replace them? Adding them to the NFA? Requiring them to be stored in safes? Obscene licensing requirements? The Supremes have shown zero interest in stopping licensing requirements.
I don't see how this is going to end. =|
The Dems will ignore the rulings and crush any challengers with the weight of the big blue states and cities
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I am talking about gun licensing in general...
The Supreme Court appears to be okay with gun licensing (for a "right" that is supposedly not second class).
Some licensing requirements right now are obscene; for example to get a permit to own a pistol in New York is horrid.
Not sure how they are okay with it after Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections (1966. I had to look it up. That's the one that abolished the poll tax.) Other than Thomas is the only one that understands that RKBA is a fundamental and enumerated right, just as much and perhaps more-so than voting.
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I agree.
That is because the Second Amendment is still a second class right. Or maybe a third or fourth class right.
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H.R.1808 - Assault Weapons Ban of 2021
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1808/text
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Pandering to their base.
The legislature would have to be truly retarded to offer up a federal ban like this to be brought before the courts today.
Some of their true believers are that stupid, but the leadership is not.
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Pandering to their base.
The legislature would have to be truly retarded to offer up a federal ban like this to be brought before the courts today.
Some of their true believers are that stupid, but the leadership is not.
I suspect they are aware of that but note how they've shifted their focus lately to attacking the firearms industry itself. How much damage could this wreak in the firearms industry before it can be slapped down? Wouldn't take much for many to be pushed out of business after such a bill makes illegal a large, in some cases all, part of their business.
IMHO the dems are taking a scorched earth approach here and if it doesn't get slapped down even better in their opinion for them.
Doesn't mean it's going to pass but it bears watching.
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It might cause a lot of damage. You are assuming it will be slapped down, just because it violates Federal Law, as well as common sense. I think the courts will continue to allow these kinds of lawsuits, because most courts detest gun ownership.
The Supreme Court had an opportunity to apply the law and stop an illegal lawsuit against a gun manufacturer a few years ago. They punted.
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Not sure what to make of this but my [tinfoil] sense is tinging
Why would the Census Bureau request customer records from American gun holster companies?
That is the question AmmoLand News is asking. Several major holster manufacturers/providers received notices from the Department of Commerce Census Bureau requesting order numbers, product descriptions, and where the items were being shipped. A few holster companies have refused to turn over the requested information to the federal government.
The Census Bureau claims that these companies are bound by law to turn over all requested information.
Dept. Commerce Census Bureau Requesting Sales Records From Gun Holster Companies?
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/07/census-bureau-requesting-sales-records-gun-holster-companies/#axzz7ZCdS0dbg
Why Is Biden Monitoring Holsters?!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEs9WN_BYoY
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[tinfoil]
Dept. Commerce Census Bureau Requesting Sales Records From Gun Holster Companies?
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/07/census-bureau-requesting-sales-records-gun-holster-companies/#axzz7ZCdS0dbg
Why Is Biden Monitoring Holsters?!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEs9WN_BYoY
that's bad news. we need to support indy holster makers that we know are not cooperating with big brother .... like this guy!
https://adamsholsters.com/store/index.php?route=common/home
https://www.facebook.com/luke213
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Maybe they are trying to use them as a proxy to determine gun ownership distribution by state?
I know some researchers have used print gun magazine sales.
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According Bearing Arms they're a few votes short in the house on the assault weapons ban bill.
Don't have details because it's in their VIP section but if anyone has access.
House Democrats still short on votes on "assault weapons" ban
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/07/19/house-democrats-still-short-on-votes-on-assault-weapons-ban-n60561
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Debate on the ban bill
Good God they're idiots saying the most idiotic things
So far have only heard emotional word salads that they think passes for reason
Live House Hearings. They are losing their minds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oH5wkM6EWU
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Looks like they threw in a repeal of the The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act in a bill named "Equal Access to Justice for Victims of Gun Violence Act"
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/2814
By guess who? Schiff
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Well guess who?
Not even sure what he's even trying to get at. Not sure he knows either.
Gun control activist David Hogg has an outburst during a House Judiciary Committee hearing on gun violence and is escorted out by police.
https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1549801280129867777
In the comments
"Someone get him a MyPillow, he needs to relax."
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Well guess who?
Not even sure what he's even trying to get it. Not sure he knows either.
Gun control activist David Hogg has an outburst during a House Judiciary Committee hearing on gun violence and is escorted out by police.
https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1549801280129867777
In the comments
"Someone get him a MyPillow, he needs to relax."
Sounds like attempted insurrection to me.
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If ever someone needed to be cuffed, it's that twatwaffle.
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Beto Jr.
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Sounds like attempted insurrection to me.
That can be stopped with a pillow
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Firearms expert Jerry Nadler, everybody. He'll be here all week.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1549812789274939393
Edit: for some reason, the direct video link doesn't show the video. Scroll to "Bad weapon takes":
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/07/20/dem-rep-jerrold-nadlers-total-ignorance-on-guns-doesnt-stop-him-from-admitting-he-wants-to-forcibly-take-yours-away-video/
Edit2:Oh, I see. Twitter is flagging the videos as "sensitive content".
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That can be stopped with a pillow.
Only if it is appropriately placed with sufficient pressure to make a decent seal. >:D
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Firearms expert Jerry Nadler, everybody. He'll be here all week.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1549812789274939393
Edit: for some reason, the direct video link doesn't show the video. Scroll to "Bad weapon takes":
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/07/20/dem-rep-jerrold-nadlers-total-ignorance-on-guns-doesnt-stop-him-from-admitting-he-wants-to-forcibly-take-yours-away-video/
Edit2:Oh, I see. Twitter is flagging the videos as "sensitive content".
AR-15
M1 Garand
Which one has assaulted more thumbs?
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More expertise:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1549790416614064137
Pistol wounds are so miniscule, doctors have a hard time even finding the wound. AR-15s on the other hand...
Rep. Lucy McBath
@RepLucyMcBath
With assault rifles, exit wounds can be a foot wide. The victim’s skull explodes on impact. Organs rupture, bones shatter, the shards serve as shrapnel and tear tissue to pieces.
There is a reason we never see the images after a mass murder—many of the bodies no longer exist.
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"many of the bodies no longer exist."
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A Brace is all you need to make a fully auto gun.
https://youtu.be/2rBE8AbwpcY?t=15
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A Brace is all you need to make a fully auto gun.
https://youtu.be/2rBE8AbwpcY?t=15
The one I used to have must of have been defective
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H.R. 1808 moving on to a full house vote probably next week
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The American gun industry has effectively “captured” the law enforcement agency charged with regulating it, according to a new report from the Giffords Law Center recommending a host of changes at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
Giffords: The gun lobby controls ATF
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/07/22/giffords-atf-n60692
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Like shooting fish in a barrel
Debunking Sheila Jackson Lee's Babble At House "Assault Weapon" Ban Hearing - HR 1808
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPK7Fga3Lj8
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Like shooting fish in a barrel
Debunking Sheila Jackson Lee's Babble At House "Assault Weapon" Ban Hearing - HR 1808
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPK7Fga3Lj8
The feces Congressional Dems are shoveling about guns is as heavy as 10 boxes you might be moving.
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The only way to really bring back the second amendment is to remind Americans we have a fundamental right to own "weapons of war." Change my mind.
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The only way to really bring back the second amendment is to remind Americans we have a fundamental right to own "weapons of war." Change my mind.
You are exactly right.
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Oh. My. God.
https://youtu.be/7KHJg86C2HQ
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Oh. My. God.
https://youtu.be/7KHJg86C2HQ
Evil baby killing Mini-14 vs the good mostly peaceful Mini-14 where the only meaningful different is the stock has been meme food ever since the 94 "ban"
The fact they ban the receiver then unban it within the same bill is another example they don't have a clue what they're banning.
We're dealing with people who can't even define what a woman is.
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Evil baby killing Mini-14 vs the good mostly peaceful Mini-14 where the only meaningful different is the stock has been meme food ever since the 94 "ban"
The fact they ban the receiver then unban it within the same bill is another example they don't have a clue what they're banning.
We're dealing with people who can't even define what a woman is.
I know this has been an example for a long time, but the absolute stupidity and dodging is just aggravating, especially knowing how many sheep believe the idiot.
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Could be up for a full house vote Thur or Friday
URGENT UPDATE: HR1808 Assault Weapon Ban To Get Full House Vote!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XjRh39pa9g
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Bearing Arms thinks they're a few votes short. we shall see
House gun ban bill in a holding pattern?
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/07/25/house-gun-ban-bill-in-a-holding-pattern-n60767
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It will be interesting to see the list of R "yeas".
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How long before Hulu cracks?
Hulu has a policy of not running ads that involve "controversial" politics.
Ds are calling this shady after Hulu refused to run their ads calling for gun control and attacking Rs over gun control.
Bake the cake again
Hulu blasted for refusing to run gun control ads
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/07/26/hulu-gun-control-ads-n60780
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How long before Hulu cracks?
Hulu has a policy of not running ads that involve "controversial" politics.
Ds are calling this shady after Hulu refused to run their ads calling for gun control and attacking Rs over gun control.
Bake the cake again
Hulu blasted for refusing to run gun control ads
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/07/26/hulu-gun-control-ads-n60780
Well that's interesting. One of the few boycotts on my list is Hulu. It was because they caved to that Jackwagon David Hogg:
https://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=57090.msg1156046#msg1156046
I paid little attention to them since then. If they have in fact learned their lesson and gone to a "no politics" policy, I will absolutely resubscribe. That is actually the kind of business I want to most support. I guess it will depend on if they cave to this latest or not.
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ATF agent walks in and starts taking photos of gun store's books with her phone.
ATF agent caught on camera creating illegal gun registry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B0htEupBiA
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ATF agent walks in and starts taking photos of gun store's books with her phone.
ATF agent caught on camera creating illegal gun registry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B0htEupBiA
"Gun nuts". No bias there.
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Her personal phone? That's an extra layer of illegal.
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Her personal phone? That's an extra layer of illegal.
I'm presuming it's likely agency issue, but still. Those photo files don't go away. Even if they're wiped from the phone, they are likely synched to a cloud archive. I can almost guarantee no one is going to the trouble of wiping that, certainly not within mandate limits. That seems a de facto registration of any names appearing in the photos.
Brad
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I'm presuming it's likely agency issue, but still. Those photo files don't go away. Even if they're wiped from the phone, they are likely synched to a cloud archive. I can almost guarantee no one is going to the trouble of wiping that, certainly not within mandate limits. That seems a de facto registration of any names appearing in the photos.
Brad
She was using both her agency phone and her personal phone to record the records. It was her personal phone that had the app that straightened and clarified the document images. That was according to the explanation she gave the wife of the store owner.
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She was using both her agency phone and her personal phone to record the records. It was her personal phone that had the app that straightened and clarified the document images. That was according to the explanation she gave the wife of the store owner.
That's actionable in court. Like seriously actionable. That's using a personal device to record government documents, a definite no-no. Plus, anything she put on her personal phone gets archived to her provider/phone's cloud service, a service I highly doubt meets the security criteria for federal documents.
At the very least it should be felony theft of government data, plus something for intentional disclosure of confidential information. If she emailed or texted the photos to from her personal phone to her agency phone, that's another serious layer of criminal fail.
Brad
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Don't recalled if this was mentioned in the above video, may have missed it, but in this video it is stated at 02:48 she is recommending their FFL be revocated.
BIG NEWS: ATF CAUGHT RED HANDED Photographing FFL Bound Books
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzbo767TikE
BTW: Anyone else get Karen vibes from her appearance?
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I'm waiting for someone to come to my door. My sheriff will arrest them. If I don't woodchipper them first.
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I'm waiting for someone to come to my door. My sheriff will arrest them. If I don't woodchipper them first.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
All the "2A sanctuary" chest beating we've seen from state and local politicians and from local level law enforcement is just pandering to the base.
I still firmly believe that when given a choice of following an unconstitutional/illegal order where the alternative is loosing their paychecks or even being arrested themselves, 99% of all sworn law enforcement will pull up their jack boots and "reluctantly" step on your neck (or just *expletive deleted*ing shoot you) to "enforce the law".
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RKL, I've got to agree with you. Cops are folks just like everyone else; family's got to eat, rent's got to be paid.
Time comes, they'll go for the paycheck.
And our throats.
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RKL, I've got to agree with you. Cops are folks just like everyone else; family's got to eat, rent's got to be paid.
Time comes, they'll go for the paycheck.
And our throats.
Yeah. The time won't come suddenly. By the time it does, most of the ones that are uneasy about it will likely have already left.
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Looks like the dems are going all out before the midterms.
Now targeting the marketing of firearms because apparently advertisements and product placement in things such as movies and games is responsible for a handful of highly publicized shootings despite zero evidence any of the shooters ever saw any of those. Note no mention of Hollywood's, which just so happens to be a huge dem donor, responsibly in product placement in movies just the gun companies.
Also note no mention of gang bangers running amuck in mostly dem control cities being responsible for 99% of "mass" shootings
House Democrats target firearms industry in Oversight hearing
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/07/27/house-democrats-target-firearms-industry-in-oversight-hearing-n60833
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Ban bill got pulled.
Doesn't mean you can relax because more than likely means they're trying to come up with another bill that they hope will get more support.
BREAKING NEWS: Pelosi Pulls Assault Weapons Ban (Lack Of Votes)!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYWhhJxt_7k
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Meanwhile the dems are conducting their grilling of gun manufacturers
Some real gems in this
how many more children have to die before you will stop selling “weapons of war” that are the “weapon of choice in most mass murders”
Rep. Stephen Lynch of Massachusetts, who took issue with the fact that many manufacturers allow for firearms to be bought on credit or using payment plans
ep. Katie Porter of California, meanwhile, tried to make the case that gun companies are willfully ignoring “safety features” like fingerprint scanners that would identify authorized users before a gun could be fired.
n her closing statement, Maloney asserted that she invited gun makers to today’s hearing to apologize to the victims of mass shootings and to promise to stop the sale of “assault weapons”
Edit: Forgot the link https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/07/27/house-dems-accuse-gun-makers-of-fueling-mass-murder-n60858
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What is the legal requirement for people to attend these hearings? Both sides make them a show where congressionals make speeches and play "gotchya!" People should be able to refuse to attend them with no legal consequences. The Congressionals can do the whole show without whatever "witnesses" they demand attend.
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Again, why bother attending one of these hearings?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1552388473944002560
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/07/27/rep-aoc-spots-a-white-supremacist-tattoo-in-an-ad-by-gun-manufacturer-daniel-defense/
Edit: Also, I couldn't understand her screechy voice or the voice of the progressive supremacist terrorist, but the tattoo they were referring to is the valknut. It appears to be a symbol of interest to my heritage, and even commie pinko wikipedia doesn't appear to classify it as a "hate symbol".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valknut
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and even commie pinko wikipedia doesn't appear to classify it as a "hate symbol".
Check back in a day or two.
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Check back in a day or two.
They will re(D)fine it.
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Was that actually a Daniel Defense ad?
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Oh boy.
Pagan religion lesson first: followers of the Norse traditions are called Asatru. The volknut is one of the symbols they use. And there's a small (but vocal and VERY visible) subset of Asatru that are virulently racist...
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Ban assault weapons because white supremacy is on the rise
Rep. Pramila Jayapal
@RepJayapal
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As white supremacy and hatred are on the rise, gun manufacturers have gotten rich off of a seemingly endless string of tragedies.
It's time for an assault weapons ban to protect our communities.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/07/28/rep-pramila-jayapal-calls-for-assault-weapons-ban-because-white-supremacy-and-gun-revenues-on-on-the-rise/
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Wow
Rep Higgins goes off on his fellow reps and they don't like it.
[popcorn]
BOOM! Fireworks In Congress Over The 2nd Amendment!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXTUIBB_x84
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Ban bill and PLCAA repeal back up for vote after some sort of deal was worked out
Title says tomorrow which means today since this was posted last night
BREAKING: House WILL Vote On Assault Weapons Ban & PLCAA Repeal TOMORROW!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMgqDzKD848
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Bills on floor of the house for vote
Live at time of posting.
LIVE: Assault Weapons Ban Vote on House Floor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sol_47cEOhk
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I guess they don't remember what happened last time.
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I guess they don't remember what happened last time.
They don't care since it appears they're going to get whacked in Nov anyway so they're going for broke.
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They're slipping in a package calling for more police funding so if anyone votes against the bill they'll be labeled anti-police by the dems and MSM.
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Currently voting on HR1300 ( Infrastructure Expansion)
Which is going 100% along party lines BTW
HR-1808 may be next
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HR-1300 includes a rule change on voting. Not clear what yet but I suspect [tinfoil] they want it in before voting on 1808
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Update on the voting rule change tacked on to 1300 which passed BTW 100% along party lines.
Removes the 24 hour requirement on bills otherwise they couldn't vote on 1808 today.
Don't quote me on this but I think it was tacked on by Pelosi.
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I read the progressives were screeching about police funding.
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Pelosi pulled the police funding out of the bill to get enough votes.
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Pre-vote debating now
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ARs liquidity people
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Jackson Lee showing photos of her and other dems cowering in fear in the capital while rambling about assault style weapons
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Voting on HR-1302 right now. My understanding they changed the HR number of 1808 due to some technicality.
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So far 100% on party lines
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I got to leave but it's looks like it's passing 100% along party lines. *expletive deleted*it
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I got to leave but it's looks like it's passing 100% along party lines. *expletive deleted*it
What’s Manchin’s stance? Or any other red state D senators? How about Murky, Collins or other RINOs?
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Back and reviewing the video.
Looks like 3 dems voted Nay
It passed
On to the senate
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Debating on, unless they changed it's number too, 2814 now
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Okay now they're voting on 1808?
Early they said the HR number had changed to 1302, I'm confused.
They're playing games
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Sorry for any confusion. I was just going by what was said.
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They even have dems screaming about not getting enough time to read the bills.
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voting on motion to Recommit 1808
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Me right now trying to figure out WTF they're doing
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re·com·mit
/ˌrēkəˈmit/
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verb
verb: recommit; 3rd person present: recommits; past tense: recommitted; past participle: recommitted; gerund or present participle: recommitting; verb: re-commit; 3rd person present: re-commits; past tense: re-committed; past participle: re-committed; gerund or present participle: re-committing
commit again.
"it should deter corporations from recommitting the same offense"
return (a motion, proposal, or legislative bill) to a committee for further consideration.
"an amendment moving that the services be recommitted to the revision committee"
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Me right now trying to figure out WTF they're doing
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Sounds like they're making sausage.
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Okay, the Rs are trying to return the bill to committee
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I think the earlier vote was whether or not to actually vote on the bill I think maybe.
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Now the real vote starts
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Now we got dems voting Nay
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One R just voted Yay. WHO?
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5 dems Nay so far
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2 Rs Yay WTF?????????
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Passed, for real this time.
Pelosi grinning ear to ear
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The two Rs pushed it over the top
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On to the senate.
Should die there. SHOULD. I don't trust any of them
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Meanwhile, in Louisiana: New Louisiana law allows 300,000 military vets to carry concealed guns without permit
https://www.dailycomet.com/story/news/2022/07/28/louisiana-enacting-concealed-carry-expansion-300-000-vets-troops/10168869002/
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Reading the two Rs were Chris Jacobs (R-NY) and Adam Kinzinger (R-IL)
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Well, the good news is that it looks like the Supreme Court considers laws like this unlawful.
So in the unlikely event it goes through the Senate, it would likely be overturned.
Frankly, in the long run that may even be the best outcome... it would be a good precedent.
Still, the behavior of the federal government continues to be disgusting.
We need to establish clearly the right to own "weapons of war."
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Meanwhile, in Louisiana: New Louisiana law allows 300,000 military vets to carry concealed guns without permit
https://www.dailycomet.com/story/news/2022/07/28/louisiana-enacting-concealed-carry-expansion-300-000-vets-troops/10168869002/
Hmmm ...
As many as 300,000 military veterans and active-duty troops in Louisiana will be eligible to carry concealed handguns without permits or training beginning Aug. 1.
But ...
"Our veterans and active-duty military are well versed in weapons training and are among the most responsible citizens we have," Morris said.
I don't know the political bias of the outlet or the authors, but there is a bit of a disconnect here.
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Still gonna CC Aug 1 though! PS: I have had plenty of military training on handguns and even more in the civilian world including a Louisiana CHP during May Issue AND Shall Issue.
(from when someone was being an ass to me about my qualifications...)
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:old:
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We need to establish clearly the right to own "weapons of war."
you mean select fire?
I agree.
'they" keep insisting AR's are a weapon of war, yet we do not arm the military with AR15's
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Sure we do.
"Ar15" has come to encompass a wide variety of configurations optimized for various uses. Certainly a Colt 6420 is closer to an M4 than it is to someone's 24" barreled wildcat chambered predator rig,
The auto function and SBRedness of an M4 are just two variations in the wide ranging world of AR's.
We should stop pretending that an M4orgery at home isn't intended to be as close to an infantry carbine as is practical.
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Okay, what am I missing?
I keep hearing that it is only an "off chance" that the Senate will pass this. That's the 50/50 Senate, right? What dems in the senate are going to jump ship? I'm certainly not accepting that every R will vote "nay".
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Okay, what am I missing?
I keep hearing that it is only an "off chance" that the Senate will pass this. That's the 50/50 Senate, right? What dems in the senate are going to jump ship? I'm certainly not accepting that every R will vote "nay".
The question is will the gun-grabbers get 60 votes to override a filibuster. I doubt that they can, but it's not impossible.
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The question is will the gun-grabbers get 60 votes to override a filibuster. I doubt that they can, but it's not impossible.
I was just gonna repost that I forgot about the 60 votes/ filibuster. I have REALLY got to stop posting before I fully wake up. :laugh:
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Of course, the Dem majority could nuke the filibuster ...
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Remember it wasn't suppose to pass the house but here we are.
Don't forget they enacted a voting rule change in the morning so that they could vote on 1808 in the afternoon. They're not above changing rules on the fly to get what they want.
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If they make an AR-15 that's lighter than 10 boxes, will that be a way to get around the law?
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If they make an AR-15 that's lighter than 10 boxes, will that be a way to get around the law?
And limit it to single reactor ignition https://youtu.be/V8EDyD97TZo?t=37.
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I don't think it will get past the court if they do somehow pass it but that will be a long fight but maybe it will be enough to add even more loses to them in November.
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I don't think it will get past the court if they do somehow pass it but that will be a long fight but maybe it will be enough to add even more loses to them in November.
Probably.
And if the court tosses it (which actually seems likely) tens of millions of more people will panic and run out and buy AR-15s.
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you mean select fire?
I agree.
'they" keep insisting AR's are a weapon of war, yet we do not arm the military with AR15's
Yes. Banning machine guns is a blatant violation of the 2nd. Every single discussion of what weapons are protected in courts and legal commentary up through Miller v. USA stated plainly that military weapons are protected in by RKBA provisions in the Federal and State Constitutions. A lot of courts actually said civilian weapons are not protected (bowie knives, pocket pistols) but everyone thought it was obvious that military weapons were protected.
I am not delusional enough to think MGs will ever be legalized though. :mad:
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Handgonnes, matchlocks, flintlocks, caplocks, single shot, lever action, pump action, semi-auto, machine guns, pistols, rifles, shotguns, muzzleloading, centerfire, rimfire, - all have been used as weapons of war.
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Are they going to target longbows? They served quite well at Agincourt.
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I happen to have a HEAVY draw weight Barnette Compound Crossbow in the back of our SUV right now. Needs a new draw string and a quiver of bolts though.
Come to think of it, will I get in trouble for having this in the truck on VA property, with no bolts?
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Are they going to target longbows? They served quite well at Agincourt.
No, they will go for those assault crossbows first.
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Will an arm brace make a crossbow full auto?
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Will an arm brace make a crossbow full auto?
No, but there is this big German guy...
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No, but there is this big German guy...
That guy rules
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Come to think of it, will I get in trouble for having this in the truck on VA property, with no bolts?
Probably.
38 CFR § 1.218 - Security and law enforcement at VA facilities.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/38/1.218
(13) Weapons and explosives. No person while on property shall carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, except for official purposes.
...
(b) Schedule of offenses and penalties. Conduct in violation of the rules and regulations set forth in paragraph (a) of this section subjects an offender to arrest and removal from the premises. Whomever shall be found guilty of violating these rules and regulations while on any property under the charge and control of VA is subject to a fine as stated in the schedule set forth herein or, if appropriate, the payment of fixed sum in lieu of appearance (forfeiture of collateral) as may be provided for in rules of the United States District Court. Violations included in the schedule of offenses and penalties may also subject an offender to a term of imprisonment of not more than six months, as may be determined appropriate by a magistrate or judge of the United States District Court:
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(37) Possession of firearms, carried either openly or concealed, whether loaded or unloaded (except by Federal or State law enforcement officers on official business, $500.
(38) Introduction or possession of explosives, or explosive devices which fire a projectile, ammunition, or combustibles, $500.
(39) Possession of knives which exceed a blade length of 3 inches; switchblade knives; any of the variety of hatchets, clubs and hand-held weapons; or brass knuckles, $300.
(40) The unauthorized possession of any of the variety of incapacitating liquid or gas-emitting weapons, $200.
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Probably.
38 CFR § 1.218 - Security and law enforcement at VA facilities.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/38/1.218
Well, THAT'S an issue. Anyone want a Crossbow? Pay shipping and promise not to shoot cats or dogs and I'll send it to ya!
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Well, THAT'S an issue. Anyone want a Crossbow? Pay shipping and promise not to shoot cats or dogs and I'll send it to ya!
How loud is it?
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About "Thwip-Twang!"
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Not sure what to make of this but my [tinfoil] sense is tinging
Dept. Commerce Census Bureau Requesting Sales Records From Gun Holster Companies?
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/07/census-bureau-requesting-sales-records-gun-holster-companies/#axzz7ZCdS0dbg
Why Is Biden Monitoring Holsters?!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEs9WN_BYoY
Now ammo
WHAT?!? Biden Now Tracking Ammo Sales??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv6GzDmZ6s4
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Well, THAT'S an issue. Anyone want a Crossbow? Pay shipping and promise not to shoot cats or dogs and I'll send it to ya!
You want to take the fun out of everything. :lol:
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The crossbow has been claimed by a local friend...
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The crossbow has been claimed by a local friend...
I bet he won’t kill dogs.
Or cats.
One of the two.
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So the Dems want to go to war with Russia, China and half the USA?
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So the Dems want to go to war with Russia, China and half the USA?
Maybe the dems think they'll be allied with Russia and China against half the USA?
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Maybe the dems think they'll be allied with Russia and China against half the USA?
there's that also, it's all spy vs spy :cool:
Our government sure hasn't been and doesn't seem to be working for our best interests at all.
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Fish and Wildlife proposing total ban on lead hunting ammo and fishing tackle by 2026 on lands operated by The US and Wildlife Service
Biden's Fish & Wildlife Service Pitches Lead Ammo & Fishing Tackle Ban
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21RJ65W_84Q
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Apparently they're upset S&W didn't show up and beg for forgiveness
“This subpoena was made necessary by your unwillingness to voluntarily comply with the Committee’s investigation, including your refusal to testify about your company’s troubling business practices at the Committee’s July 27, 2022, hearing and your refusal to voluntarily produce key information about your company’s sale of assault weapons to civilians,” committee chairwoman Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) said in a statement.
Smith & Wesson subpoenaed by House Committee
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/08/03/smith-wesson-subpoena-n61073
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I don't recall,
We wiped it with a cloth.
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Wow. I didn't know S&W told them to *expletive deleted*ck off. I should make my next gun purchase an S&W. I really respect them for this.
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If anyone ordered a Forced Reset Trigger reports ATF going door to door to collect them
BREAKING NEWS: ATF Showing Up At Private Residences To Seize Forced Reset Triggers?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYXKPaa2t_g
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Wow. I didn't know S&W told them to *expletive deleted*ck off. I should make my next gun purchase an S&W. I really respect them for this.
Smith & Wesson Responded to Attacks When They Couldn’t Be Interrupted By Rep. Maloney’s Gavel
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/smith-wesson-responded-to-attacks-when-they-couldnt-be-interrupted-by-rep-maloneys-gavel/
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If anyone ordered a Forced Reset Trigger reports ATF going door to door to collect them
BREAKING NEWS: ATF Showing Up At Private Residences To Seize Forced Reset Triggers?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYXKPaa2t_g
I'll let you guys know if they show up.
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If anyone ordered a Forced Reset Trigger reports ATF going door to door to collect them
BREAKING NEWS: ATF Showing Up At Private Residences To Seize Forced Reset Triggers?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYXKPaa2t_g
I thought about it, but decided I didn't want to get one online.
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Says the the ATF is showing up at the doorsteps of people that are selling them on Gun Broker by getting their info through "control buys" and that they are not, yet, going after people who purchased them directly from Rare Breed since Rare Breed has refused to give them buyer info.
And apparently the ATF has no idea what to do yet if the owner refuses to turn it over.
How The ATF Got The Rare Breed Owner's Information
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkTGlfgv3hg&t=385s
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Read today that the new ghost gun rule goes into effect.
https://thehill.com/regulation/legislation/3614421-atf-goes-after-ghost-guns-as-new-rule-takes-effect/
The new rule requires that retailers run background checks before selling parts kits that someone could use to assemble a firearm, clarifies the definition of frame or receiver and identifies which parts of the firearm must be marked with a serial number.
The rule also requires that gun retailers and gunsmiths add a serial number to guns printed on 3D printers or any nonserialized firearms they accept for resale or purchase.
The time for which gun retailers must retain records has also been increased from two decades to the entire time in which the retailers are licensed. The Justice Department noted that ATF had been unable to trace many firearms that were reportedly used in homicides and violent crime due to the destruction of records after 20 years.
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I (and many others) am unclear on what the new rule does to 80 percent lowers. Certainly the "Glock in a box" type kits with everything you need to assemble a gun are covered under the new rule, but is just a single 80 percent AR lower with no other parts considered a kit? What about an AR lower parts kit? How many parts and tools/jigs have to be missing before an order is no longer a "gun parts kit"?
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I (and many others) am unclear on what the new rule does to 80 percent lowers. Certainly the "Glock in a box" type kits with everything you need to assemble a gun are covered under the new rule, but is just a single 80 percent AR lower with no other parts considered a kit? What about an AR lower parts kit? How many parts and tools/jigs have to be missing before an order is no longer a "gun parts kit"?
They will tell you at the trial.
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Perhaps.
I'm not worried, because as a non-licensee ( or rather an 03) I'm operating under the "make guns for personal use and don't need to serialize them" part, so whether the unfinished receivers in my safe magically became firearms yesterday or not doesn't really matter. I'm allowed to have them as firearms.
I'm more interested in how complete the "kit" needs to be. Is this a Firearm: https://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/RHEINMETALL-PB-BERETTA-MG42-59-PARTS-KIT-WITH-HEAVY-BOLT-HEAVY-BUFFER-141p10316.htm
How about this: https://www.aimsurplus.com/products/spikes-tactical-ar15-lower-receiver-parts-kit-lpk
I guess we'll see as this shakes out. I also wonder if we'll actually see trials, or if you push it will the ATF quietly drop the case like they do with AR lower receiver cases. (note, while they specifically call the lower the receiver of an AR in this rule, it's even farther out of the revised definition than it was the old one.
Still waiting on my visit over that trigger anyway.
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Still waiting on my visit over that trigger anyway.
See reply 863
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See reply 863
Yep. I bought mine from BDU, one of the retailers that we know gave F-troop their records, so I'm assuming I'll get a friendly visit at some point.
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Yep. I bought mine from BDU, one of the retailers that we know gave F-troop their records, so I'm assuming I'll get a friendly visit at some point.
Got a welding torch?
You still have time to prepare a blob of molten slag that you can turn over which contains (among the remains of other assorted nuts, bolts, and scrap metal) what used to be an FRT.
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This could fit into any of the Biden threads here. This one is as good as any.
F-15s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was talking to a left-leaning friend the other day, and he said he was getting sick of the Biden admins (and AOC's and others) over the top attacks on the right. I think he's not the only one. This is a pretty good example of how far overboard they're going:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/30/joe-biden-tells-those-brave-right-wing-americans-again-theyll-need-an-f-15-to-take-on-the-government/
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Ukraine and Afghanistan have put lie to that. Nicest equipment you can send out, operator gotta sleep sometime.
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This could fit into any of the Biden threads here. This one is as good as any.
F-15s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was talking to a left-leaning friend the other day, and he said he was getting sick of the Biden admins (and AOC's and others) over the top attacks on the right. I think he's not the only one. This is a pretty good example of how far overboard they're going:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/30/joe-biden-tells-those-brave-right-wing-americans-again-theyll-need-an-f-15-to-take-on-the-government/
When CNN is being called fascist right-wing propaganda you got to wonder where the line is drawn anymore and even many lefties should be asking where is this going?
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I'm thinking about the timing before November... when will they pull which rabbit out of the hat?
Most of the time the rabbit involves putting the boots of our bravest, finest, smartest, most fit of our youngsters on foreign ground where people shoot back.
Two months to go.
I sometimes wonder if any among the 50-60 thousand military dead in Vietnam might have been somebody who would ultimately come up with a fusion power solution... or a 100% effective pill or vaccine against every kind of cancer, or fantastic items made from stable superheavy elements, or....
Nap time.
Terry, Dedicated Wanderer Through Impossibilities, 230RN
REF:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_of_stability
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Ukraine and Afghanistan have put lie to that. Nicest equipment you can send out, operator gotta sleep sometime.
One of the comments at the link made the good point that a bunch of unarmed civilians sent the government into a panic on 06JAN.
I guess when it's the Capitol, they don't wanna take out 635 collateral lives with the F-15s because politicians are important. They'll send the F-15s to Boise, ID and take out 5000 non-combatants to make sure they get seven Three Percenters.
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This could fit into any of the Biden threads here. This one is as good as any.
F-15s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was talking to a left-leaning friend the other day, and he said he was getting sick of the Biden admins (and AOC's and others) over the top attacks on the right. I think he's not the only one. This is a pretty good example of how far overboard they're going:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/30/joe-biden-tells-those-brave-right-wing-americans-again-theyll-need-an-f-15-to-take-on-the-government/
[Checks my GWOT-E (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_War_on_Terrorism_Expeditionary_Medal) and ICM (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Campaign_Medal) ]
Keep telling yourself that Grandpa. Ask Beau how many F15s you need.....oh, wait.
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We've routinely noted that an insurgency engaged in guerilla warfare could tie things up like was done in Iraq and Afghanistan. If I understand it our ROEs were in large part intended to protect civilians and limit collateral damage.
I don't 5hink the left would use such kidglove rules in our own backyard.
We have Repeatedly been informed by the left that airstrikes and even nukes are on the table to put down any right-wing uprisings. I'm beginning to think they would take out entire neighborhoods to eliminate one recalcitrant gun owner.
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We've routinely noted that an insurgency engaged in guerilla warfare could tie things up like was done in Iraq and Afghanistan. If I understand it our ROEs were in large part intended to protect civilians and limit collateral damage.
I don't 5hink the left would use such kidglove rules in our own backyard.
We have Repeatedly been informed by the left that airstrikes and even nukes are on the table to put down any right-wing uprisings. I'm beginning to think they would take out entire neighborhoods to eliminate one recalcitrant gun owner.
Remember in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq the US forces didn’t have their dependents in country and therefore at risk. That’s not the case in the US.
While the left likes to imagine taking the gloves off would be a very one sided thing it wouldn’t be.
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We've routinely noted that an insurgency engaged in guerilla warfare could tie things up like was done in Iraq and Afghanistan. If I understand it our ROEs were in large part intended to protect civilians and limit collateral damage.
I don't 5hink the left would use such kidglove rules in our own backyard.
We have Repeatedly been informed by the left that airstrikes and even nukes are on the table to put down any right-wing uprisings. I'm beginning to think they would take out entire neighborhoods to eliminate one recalcitrant gun owner.
They did that in Philadelphia to the MOVE group. Ruby Ridge and and the Branch Davidians were far enough out of town they didn’t feel the need to be restrained.
If they were to do that to a recalcitrant gun owner now it would do one of two things. Either galvanize the resistance or, and I definitely expect some of this, people turn on every gun owner they know in fear of being “innocent” collateral damage.
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“The Republican Party is basically a domestic terrorist cell at this point, and they should be treated as such," @DNC adviser Kurt Bardella.
— Tim Wood (@TimOnPoint) August 30, 2022
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/30/dnc-adviser-tells-msnbc-that-the-republican-party-should-be-treated-as-a-domestic-terrorist-cell/
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https://twitter.com/tattoosbyjon/status/1564645561902530562
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He must have taken some extra potent stupid pills this week:
During the speech, Biden made an unsourced claim about the speed that an AR-15 shoots bullets.
"Do you realize the bullet out of an AR-15 travels five times as rapidly as a bullet shot out of any other gun?" Biden asked rhetorically during his speech.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/president-biden-botches-ar-15-facts-while-stumping-against-gun-violence-pennsylvania
Irrelevant side note: I learned about a new cartridge, the .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer, developed in the '60s. :rofl:
https://firearmwiki.com/wiki/.22_Eargesplitten_Loudenboomer
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I am thinking that "civil war" in the USA would pretty much instantly become mass murders or deportations of citizens of the opposite political group.
It is a lot easier to shoot an unarmed member of party X than fight a "war"...
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He must have taken some extra potent stupid pills this week:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/president-biden-botches-ar-15-facts-while-stumping-against-gun-violence-pennsylvania
Irrelevant side note: I learned about a new cartridge, the .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer, developed in the '60s. :rofl:
https://firearmwiki.com/wiki/.22_Eargesplitten_Loudenboomer
Sounds like another side effect of people not realizing that rifle bullet velocities are (usually) much higher than that of handguns. So they think ARs are magical death rays.
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So they think ARs are magical death rays.
Some of them would freak out if they saw a laser on one and/or saw you putting batteries in the light and optics.
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Some of them would freak out if they saw a laser on one and/or saw you putting batteries in the light and optics.
I run a laser sight, and night vision scope, per Patriot Front guidelines. As we all do, I hope.
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5x faster than anything else? What a maroon.
Even the .45ACP with a 230gr bullet and standard pressure is 800fps, and about the slowest ammo typically encountered. M193 is like 3200fps from a typical rifle length barrel. So that’s 4x, but .22lr and most pistol ammo people actually use typically runs 1000-1500fps. If he’d said 2-3x typical pistol velocities he’d have been correct.
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5x faster than anything else? What a maroon.
Even the .45ACP with a 230gr bullet and standard pressure is 800fps, and about the slowest ammo typically encountered. M193 is like 3200fps from a typical rifle length barrel. So that’s 4x, but .22lr and most pistol ammo people actually use typically runs 1000-1500fps. If he’d said 2-3x typical pistol velocities he’d have been correct.
Rhetoric (hyperbole, lies) beats Dialectic (logic, facts) every time.
That's why politicians lie and exaggerate continually, because it works.
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I run a laser sight, and night vision scope, per Patriot Front guidelines. As we all do, I hope.
I run a thermal and a DBAL for the extra spicy laser. I'm an extremist.
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I have run NODS "professionally" and that has taught me that I am not willing to put the time in to be proficient in CQB under NODS. Perhaps I should be more extreme.
Modlite OKW for the win.
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Perhaps I should be more extreme.
You can never be too extreme. I like the IR laser for light sabering cows in the pasture at night while I have the dog out doing his business. That's pretty much the only reason I have the DBAL. =D
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Seems like Ben's night vision/DBAL lends itself more to identifying and possibly engaging targets around his rural property outdoors at night more than CQB. If I ever get into NV in a serious way that's where it would fall for me too. At the moment my only (low-end) night vision is a monocular that can attach to a scope. Utterly useless for CQB, and unlikely to benefit much from a DBAL, but still could be handy to eliminate nocturnal pests in a pinch.
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Maybe the dems think they'll be allied with Russia and China against half the USA?
They're already allied with China against the USA. Another ally wouldn't hurt.
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Sure, and Ben's use on cows is probably right down the middle of the sweet spot for NODS. Thermal really works well at hog and coyote spotting on a cold prairie/pasture as well.
In the context of this thread's more human target discussions however, I though it worth pointing out that NODS are a pretty steep training curve. You also have to assume bad actors have them as well, in which case an IR lase may be contra-indicated.
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Seems like Ben's night vision/DBAL lends itself more to identifying and possibly engaging targets around his rural property outdoors at night more than CQB. If I ever get into NV in a serious way that's where it would fall for me too. At the moment my only (low-end) night vision is a monocular that can attach to a scope. Utterly useless for CQB, and unlikely to benefit much from a DBAL, but still could be handy to eliminate nocturnal pests in a pinch.
Yeah, the CQB gun for in/around the house is my Sig Canebrake with a can, RD, and weapon light. I've thought about getting one of the weapon lights with a visible laser, like the TLR that I have for the house pistol, but that's it. For a home invasion scenario, I can't see putting on the helmet and everything else that goes with "night ops" while someone is breaking down my door.
The PWS MK111 that's next to the Canebrake is indeed for outdorsy stuff since it gets pretty pitch black out here once I step a little ways away from the house.
The thermal scope is not yet mounted on a rifle. I use it as a handheld a lot (again, when letting the dog out) at night just to look around and see all the stuff that I can't even see with the NVGs. Taking it out nearly every night in all kinds of weather and temperatures has taught me a lot about both the abilities and disabilities of thermal. I might put it on my MK116 at some point and enlist it in my current war with the racoons.
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Sure, and Ben's use on cows is probably right down the middle of the sweet spot for NODS.
To be clear, I'm not shooting my cow guy's cows. It's just really cool to see the laser shoot a beam out a hundred yards away, and target a cow's shoulder while my rifle is held at my hip. =D
I definitely wouldn't be comfortable running and gunning with the NODs without training at this point. Even with the binos, I still feel a little off balance walking around.
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To be clear, I'm not shooting my cow guy's cows. It's just really cool to see the laser shoot a beam out a hundred yards away, and target a cow's shoulder while my rifle is held at my hip. =D
I definitely wouldn't be comfortable running and gunning with the NODs without training at this point. Even with the binos, I still feel a little off balance walking around.
The worst is jogging and doing weapons manipulation. You have to remember that the image you are looking at is actually from about 8" in front of your eyes, so you have to apply that offset to where you are putting your feet, and at least with PVS-14's, they tend to be focused out in front of you a bit, so where you are putting your feet and your rifle is both fuzzy, and offset from the image. Takes some getting used to. I tripped quite a bit when I started using NODS a lot.
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Takes some getting used to. I tripped quite a bit when I started using NODS a lot.
I have a few steps on my back porch, and I nearly fell and broke my neck the first few times because the NODs threw my depth perception off. Though fun fact, I did some test driving with my Polaris with them at night, and that worked just swell from the gitgo.
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I have a low light monocular and I agree with that. Not only does it put the perspective out in front of you, but it shakes a little when moving. At night it forced me to slow down which was good. I haven't worn it in a while. I will have take it out again soon.
I need to get a thermal monocular to carry around. That is a weakness of the low-light stuff. You can only see clearly a short distance. After that, it is mostly looking for movement. I assume it would be better with some practice. I remember seeing rabbits out in the open and thinking they were one of the tree limbs nearby until they moved. On the plus side, my Dad and I got within about 30 yards of a buck before he got spooked. That was with my Dad not walking softly (his hearing is poor).
Overall, yes, professionals would completely outclass me in the field. I have no illusions that I would go out and get in a pitched battle with spec ops soldiers and not die quickly. =) Of course, the odds of those guys coming near me are slim.
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I have a few steps on my back porch, and I nearly fell and broke my neck the first few times because the NODs threw my depth perception off. Though fun fact, I did some test driving with my Polaris with them at night, and that worked just swell from the gitgo.
Does yours cover both eyes or just one?
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Does yours cover both eyes or just one?
Both. They're the TNVC unfilmed WP RNVGs. They were definitely a cry (a whole lot) once purchase, but I spent a lot of time talking to Sam Houston and doing research, and Sam steered me good. Talking to him about my needs, he recommended binos, even if it meant I go to their Nightgoggles (hunting website) or elsewhere to get commercial grade filmed binos instead of a high grade PVS14. Six month wait (actually showed up last 24DEC as an xmas present to myself), but they're absolutely amazing. TNVC even hand picked them for specs for my rural setting and colder Winter temps (yes, it makes a difference - I learned a lot talking to Sam).
Before that I was using an ATN (yeah, I know) gen2 PVS14 knockoff which was okay, but it's a cheap Chinese kids toy compared to the RNVG.
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Looks like the admin is moving forward with pistol brace registration
https://twitter.com/gunowners/status/1565788116501282816?s=21&t=YamMMFWI3S33O4Rqfy_8GA
Faced with jailtime of up to 10 years & a $250k fine, these gun owners will have to submit all their info to the gov including their name, SS Number, address, phone number, email, credit card number, & fingerprints as well as the make, model, and serial number of their firearm.
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/09/atf-pistol-brace-amnesty-registration-program/
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Looks like the admin is moving forward with pistol brace registration
https://twitter.com/gunowners/status/1565788116501282816?s=21&t=YamMMFWI3S33O4Rqfy_8GA
Faced with jailtime of up to 10 years & a $250k fine, these gun owners will have to submit all their info to the gov including their name, SS Number, address, phone number, email, credit card number, & fingerprints as well as the make, model, and serial number of their firearm.
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/09/atf-pistol-brace-amnesty-registration-program/
Interesting that they're going to give the tax stamp for free.
Our ATF inside sources have told AmmoLand News that the ATF was planning for an amnesty period where gun owners would be able to register their braced pistols as short-barreled rifles (SBR) and that it is expected they will receive a free tax stamp.
It's also unclear to me if they are saying this is the same as a normal SBR registration where you can then put whatever stock you want on, or if this is some deal where it still has to keep the brace?
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My understanding (limited as it is from the released documents) is that it's a straight Form 1, so the reciever is than an SBR and you can swap parts around as desired. I did see some mention of having to include pictures of the pistol braced weapon so people can't just SPR every rifle they own for free. I"ve been shooting a braced AR long enough that I don't think I'd bother to swap it out for a regular stock, but some folks might. The engraving fees might also add up.
Interesting side note: I have seen estimates of up to 10 million pistol braces having been sold. If they are all suddenly registered as SBRs, would that make an SBR a weapon in "common use"?
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While I know many millions won't comply, I'm wondering how many millions will be unknowing felons? Like the guy who doesn't look at gun forums and just bought a gun one time at a big box store.
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Interesting side note: I have seen estimates of up to 10 million pistol braces having been sold. If they are all suddenly registered as SBRs, would that make an SBR a weapon in "common use"?
I've heard 4 million, I've heard 10 million. One guy even said 40 million.
I seriously think the 4 million number may be high
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I've heard 4 million, I've heard 10 million. One guy even said 40 million.
I seriously think the 4 million number may be high
I guess it depends on where you live and your state laws as well, but here it sure seems that there are more 11" barrels going out the door than 16" barrels. I know that my LGS always has 16" barreled rifles and uppers in stock, but 11" ones seem to always be sold out.
Speaking of individual states, I suppose this would mean that there are a lot of people who couldn't do the "amnesty" even if they wanted to, because their "federally legal" SBR would then be illegal in their home state.
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My range is sorta self selected, but the only 16" and longer barrels I see out there are the Precision builds. Any "GP" carbine build I see these days is 10.5"-14.5".
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I guess shorter barrels are all the rage now
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The pistol braces made it cheap and easy to try out an SBR, and lots of people discovered SBR's work really well for a wide variety of tasks.
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I guess shorter barrels are all the rage now
Pistol caliber carbines are increasingly popular - less muzzle blast, cheaper ammo, and subsonic pistol bullets (for a suppressed weapon) are more effective than subsonic .22s.
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Why should the government worry about us peasants having guns if they are so sure they can beat us with their F-15s?
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Pistol caliber carbines are increasingly popular - less muzzle blast, cheaper ammo, and subsonic pistol bullets (for a suppressed weapon) are more effective than subsonic .22s.
I think a lot of people have home defense and shorter ranged shooting in mind so the SBR types guns are ideal for that. Some of the muzzle devices available do a pretty good job of throwing the blast noise downrange.
I was planning to SBR a couple guns. The biggest pain is messing with the photos and fingerprint cards. I can get fingerprint cards from Silencer Shop. If I can do it without paying $200 each, that might be a win-win. I don't like the "or else" part of it.
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Interesting that they're going to give the tax stamp for free.
If the NFA is justified as a 2A infringement because it's not an infringement, just a tax... and then they don't apply the tax... doesn't that make it a deliberate infringement for the sake of infringement?
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Making it a bit easier for Big Brother
How long before we start seeing gun purchases regularly denied by the CC companies?
International Organization for Standardization votes to create special code for credit card transactions at gun stores
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/09/10/international-organization-for-standardization-votes-to-create-special-code-for-credit-card-transactions-at-gun-stores/
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Making it a bit easier for Big Brother
How long before we start seeing gun purchases regularly denied by the CC companies?
International Organization for Standardization votes to create special code for credit card transactions at gun stores
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/09/10/international-organization-for-standardization-votes-to-create-special-code-for-credit-card-transactions-at-gun-stores/
So will it be an item thing, or a store thing? Will the Kayak you buy at Cabela's be a gun? Or are they only targeting "gun stores"? One of my favorite things to do is to use my Cabela's card at my LGS, then when I have enough points, get a free gun at Cabela's. I wonder if when you use CC points, it's listed as a CC purchase at the store?
Anyway, other than missing out on points, I'll just stop at the bank before I go to the LGS. I'm not putting myself in another gun database this soon after I moved to where I don't get NICs checks and my 4473 stays at the gun store. It's a slight hassle, as I often walk into the LGS just to look and end up throwing my card down and walking out with something, but as long as we're still allowed cash, I reckon that'll do.
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If the NFA is justified as a 2A infringement because it's not an infringement, just a tax... and then they don't apply the tax... doesn't that make it a deliberate infringement for the sake of infringement?
STOP THAT!
Logic is not tolerated!
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Two of the largest public pension funds in the U.S., which are located in California and New York, have put pressure on the country’s largest credit card companies to adopt separate sales codes for gun sales.
Also:
However, gun rights advocates contest that tracking gun store sales would target legal gun purchases because merchant codes only label the type of merchant where the credit or debit card is used, not the specific items. The purchase of a gun safe, for example, could be seen as a large purchase at a gun shop since the item can be bought for thousands of dollars. But a gun safe is a product considered to be part of responsible gun ownership.
So it does appear to be merchant, not item specific. I was mostly wondering because I get categorized annual summaries for my cards, and it's by things like fuel, travel, groceries, health, etc., but purchased from stores that wouldn't necessarily be viewed as a primary provider of those goods and services.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/visa-mastercard-amex-categorize-gun-store-sales-separately
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The legislation includes a new licensing system, a mandatory safety course, fingerprinting, a background check and much more. Anyone who owns an assault weapon at the time of enactment would be grandfathered in.
There are exemptions to the bill including those who already own an assault weapon, active-duty military and law enforcement officers and more.
Jacobs describes says this is common sense gun legislation. He says, “We can honor and protect our Second Amendment, while also ensuring that dangerous weapons do not fall into the wrong hands.”
Introduce by a dem? Nope. by Rep. Chris Jacobs (r) of NY
GOP congressman introduces bill to license "assault weapons"
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/09/20/gop-congressman-introduces-bill-to-license-assault-weapons-n62508
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Introduce by a dem? Nope. by Rep. Chris Jacobs (r) of NY
GOP congressman introduces bill to license "assault weapons"
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/09/20/gop-congressman-introduces-bill-to-license-assault-weapons-n62508
With “friends” like this …
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There are exemptions to the bill including those who already own an assault weapon, active-duty military and law enforcement officers and more.
Even as one of the special pigs, This crap pisses me off. Cops and .mil have no need to have special access to weapons that citizens don't get. They need to stop trying to make people more special.
ETA: Obviously it would be better if they stopped trying to pass stupid laws too.
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Even as one of the special pigs, This crap pisses me off. Cops and .mil have no need to have special access to weapons that citizens don't get. They need to stop trying to make people more special.
There seems to be a subgroup of RINOs (like the guy in the link) that are big into being pro LE and Mil as part of an authoritarian schtick. They want a police state just like some dems do, just with different people under the thumb of authority.
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Looks like the FY 2023 Commerce, Justice, Science Appropriations bill has some interesting adds:
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Looks like #4 is based on what they expect should these pass.
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Says possibly dropping in Dec
ATTENTION: Dept of Justice Says When ATF Pistol Brace Ban Will Drop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pban-jg9fk
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Nassau County NY app for a conceal carry permit
Be sitting down for what they require out of you, literally, starting at 1:51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlrEXCcv8dY
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Starting Nov 16
Delaware sets dates for compensated confiscation of magazines
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/10/29/delaware-sets-dates-for-compensated-confiscation-of-magazines-n63767
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Nassau County NY app for a conceal carry permit
Be sitting down for what they require out of you, literally, starting at 1:51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlrEXCcv8dY
To add insult to injury, the link on the second page of that letter doesn't exist. The link is:
https://www.criminaljustice.ny.gov/FINAL NYSP-DCJS Minimum Standards for Firearm Safety Training 8-23-22.PDF
If you enter it in your browser with all the "%20" space fillers -- it won't work.
The class is 16 hours (so two days, plus a written test on which you must score at least 80%, PLUS 2 hours of live fire training, PLUS a live fire evaluation consisting of loading and firing five rounds at a distance of 4 yards at a target that's 25-1/2-inch by 11-inch. To pass you have to put 4 out of 5 shots on the paper.
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To add insult to injury, the link on the second page of that letter doesn't exist. The link is:
https://www.criminaljustice.ny.gov/FINAL NYSP-DCJS Minimum Standards for Firearm Safety Training 8-23-22.PDF
If you enter it in your browser with all the "%20" space fillers -- it won't work.
The class is 16 hours (so two days, plus a written test on which you must score at least 80%, PLUS 2 hours of live fire training, PLUS a live fire evaluation consisting of loading and firing five rounds at a distance of 4 yards at a target that's 25-1/2-inch by 11-inch. To pass you have to put 4 out of 5 shots on the paper.
Here's the document: https://troopers.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2022/08/final-nysp-dcjs-minimum-standards-for-firearm-safety-training-8-23-22.pdf
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Requiring a permit for a right is nonsensical. Permits for owning or carrying guns have absolutely no place in the "history and tradition" of gun ownership in the USA. As long as permits are considered acceptable, RKBA can easily be nullified by garbage like this.
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They're trying to sneak 1808 in by attaching it as an amendment onto a spending bill in the senate
HEADS UP: Back Door, Last-Ditch Effort To Ban Rifles Underway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hik5IsI4Q8
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I don't know if it's Biden or his handlers, but terminology seems to have changed.
"The idea we still allow semi-automatic weapons to be purchased is sick," said Biden. "It has no socially redeeming value… Not a single solitary rationale for it except profit for the gun manufacturers."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-calls-more-gun-control-gop-takes-house-says-sick-allow-semi-automatic-weapon-sales
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I don't know if it's Biden or his handlers, but terminology seems to have changed.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-calls-more-gun-control-gop-takes-house-says-sick-allow-semi-automatic-weapon-sales
Could have been Biden being being Biden but there has been an uptick in calls for banning all semi autos.
Related: Various gun control groups have started calling for all Glocks to be banned due to Glock switches being found on the street.
Guess cars are next since they can be converted to car bombs.
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The Walmart shooter used a handgun, but Biden used that incident as another example of why we MUST ban semi-automatic rifles.
They're after ALL the guns ... there is no longer (if there ever was) any doubt about it.
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Could have been Biden being being Biden but there has been an uptick in calls for banning all semi autos.
Related: Various gun control groups have started calling for all Glocks to be banned due to Glock switches being found on the street.
Guess cars are next since they can be converted to car bombs.
Nobody needs a car capable of exceeding the highest legal speed limit in their jurisdiction.
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The Walmart shooter used a handgun, but Biden used that incident as another example of why we MUST ban semi-automatic rifles.
They're after ALL the guns ... there is no longer (if there ever was) any doubt about it.
I’ve said for years the moment semiautos are banned “High Powered Sniper Rifles” and “Deadly Street Sweepers” aka hunting rifles and shotguns will become the next targets
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I’ve said for years the moment semiautos are banned “High Powered Sniper Rifles” and “Deadly Street Sweepers” aka hunting rifles and shotguns will become the next targets
Any rifle with a scope is usually labeled "Sniper Rifle" by the media
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Okay, something is going on with gov/MSM/activists regarding terminology. Here's another story that just says "long guns". Fox News is quoting, so it's not the conservative devils trying to deflect from "AR-15". Within the last couple of weeks, everything is now "semi-automatic rifles/guns" and "long guns". This has to be tied into Biden's slip of the tongue about banning all semi-autos and the big push for an AW ban before a 2023 congress takes over.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/maryland-gun-store-looted-black-friday-thieves-allegedly-took-long-guns
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Okay, something is going on with gov/MSM/activists regarding terminology. Here's another story that just says "long guns". Fox News is quoting, so it's not the conservative devils trying to deflect from "AR-15". Within the last couple of weeks, everything is now "semi-automatic rifles/guns" and "long guns". This has to be tied into Biden's slip of the tongue about banning all semi-autos and the big push for an AW ban before a 2023 congress takes over.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/maryland-gun-store-looted-black-friday-thieves-allegedly-took-long-guns
IMHO because they took mostly nothing but rifles using the term "long gun" seems appropriate in this case until we have a detail list of what type of rifles were taken especially considering thieves would often mostly target handguns in the past.
Don't get me wrong we can assume it was AR-15s and maybe AKs but I would rather the media use the term LG until we know for sure. Could even be a bunch of shotguns in the list.
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IMHO because they took mostly nothing but rifles using the term "long gun" seems appropriate in this case until we have a detail list of what type of rifles were taken especially considering thieves would often mostly target handguns in the past.
Under normal circumstances, I would agree with this and even applaud the authorities/media for their accuracy (or generalization due to lack of data, depending on how you view it). There's something going on with how the antis are framing things now though, it seems to me to encompass many more guns besides ARs and Glocks as "evil". It just seems like a very sudden change in their terminology over the last couple of weeks.
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It just seems like a very sudden change in their terminology over the last couple of weeks.
I pointed out them using the term LG maybe at least two or three months ago in one of the shootings threads.
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Okay, something is going on with gov/MSM/activists regarding terminology. Here's another story that just says "long guns". Fox News is quoting, so it's not the conservative devils trying to deflect from "AR-15". Within the last couple of weeks, everything is now "semi-automatic rifles/guns" and "long guns". This has to be tied into Biden's slip of the tongue about banning all semi-autos and the big push for an AW ban before a 2023 congress takes over.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/maryland-gun-store-looted-black-friday-thieves-allegedly-took-long-guns
I commented on that (somewhere) a couple of days ago. I noticed that, even after the rifle had been identified as an AR-15 "type" rifle, all the articles I saw on the Club Q shooting still said that the shooter used "a long gun." I know I've never met a conspiracy theory I didn't like, but I don't think this is a coincidence.
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I commented on that (somewhere) a couple of days ago. I noticed that, even after the rifle had been identified as an AR-15 "type" rifle, all the articles I saw on the Club Q shooting still said that the shooter used "a long gun." I know I've never met a conspiracy theory I didn't like, but I don't think this is a coincidence.
Yup. I'm not doubting WLJ's catching this months ago, but I think a lot of us didn't, and suddenly over a few days I've seen a half dozen different media occurrences of this by media, politicians, and activists. It's like they all held a strategy meeting a couple of weeks ago, much as they seemed to have done with "Ultra/Mega MAGAs" and "extremists", where there seemed to, all at once, flood the MSM with those terms in a concerted and coordinated effort, versus just instances of the terms here and there.
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Now I remember without trying to find it but it was in one of the shootings threads.
I had noticed the media/libs/dems were all AGAIN calling for a ban on AR-15s when all that was being reported it was a LG and that was bugging me.
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I have no moneys but damned if I don't want to buy another evil semiauto. On paper, on a credit card, ideally on local news covering increased gun sales.
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I have no moneys but damned if I don't want to buy another evil semiauto. On paper, on a credit card, ideally on local news covering increased gun sales.
Why did I read that at first as "I have no monkeys"?
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Now I remember without trying to find it but it was in one of the shootings threads.
I had noticed the media/libs/dems were all AGAIN calling for a ban on AR-15s when all that was being reported it was a LG and that was bugging me.
And it's not even just "long guns", it's the whole sudden "all semi-autos". Which might be a strategy someone would use if they wanted to make it look like they were bargaining. "Hey, we have to ban ALL semi-autos, but just to make you rednecks happy how about we just ban ARs and you can keep your other guns (for now)."
It's the classic "pie" strategy they have always used on us. "Hey, you have this giant Costco sized pie, and we just want a sliver." Then we say, "Oh, okay then." The next time around, instead of showing us the Costco pie with the sliver removed, they just show us a smaller whole pie and say, "Hey, you have this whole pie, and we just want a sliver..."
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If you've been watching the "assault weapon" ban bills closely you'll see some of them would effectively ban most semi-autos with their wording.
Things like a semi-auto that can accept a larger than 10rd magazine or be converted to accept more than 10rds. You can convert anything.
I would have to go back and look but I think 1808 has wording similar to this.
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Or how about the bills banning any round that can pierce a police vest that come up from time to time. That would pretty much ban any and all rifle rounds along with many handgun rounds.
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My thought (which is worth exactly what you pay for it) is that we're going to have to get a solid "What firearms are protected?" case before the Supreme Court before Thomas and one or more of the other conservative members step down. The liberal, gun-grabber lawmakers are just going to keep turning the screws unless/until the SCOTUS finally steps in and says, "No!" If we lose one of two seats on the SCOTUS during a Democratic administration, we can kiss the 2A and the RKBA goodbye.
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My thought (which is worth exactly what you pay for it) is that we're going to have to get a solid "What firearms are protected?" case before the Supreme Court before Thomas and one or more of the other conservative members step down. The liberal, gun-grabber lawmakers are just going to keep turning the screws unless/until the SCOTUS finally steps in and says, "No!" If we lose one of two seats on the SCOTUS during a Democratic administration, we can kiss the 2A and the RKBA goodbye.
What makes you think that even a 6-3 decision (because the lib justices will lib) stating “The right of all individual citizens to keep and bear arms for defense of self, community and state cannot be questioned” would even slow them down?
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At this point I sometimes think they are actually hoping to bait "the right" into using their ARs on cops, so they can go all martial law "round them up".
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It's that gasbag Chris Murphy, so who knows how accurate the number is, but he claims that over 60% of counties in the US are refusing to implement the gun laws these jackwagons are passing.
I don't think he realizes that stating that the majority of local jurisdictions in the country refuse to follow his bans is not the win for his side that he thinks it is.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/27/politics/chris-murphy-assault-weapons-ban-cnntv/index.html
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Does the vote on HR1808 reset when the new house members take their seats or does it stay active in the senate?
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It dies if not enacted before the end of the Congress.
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Thought so and what I was hoping.
Though that means expect a full on effort to push it through the senate before then. Jan 3 I think?
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Thought so and what I was hoping.
Though that means expect a full on effort to push it through the senate before then. Jan 3 I think?
Dec 21 is the last scheduled day for Congress to be in session. Dec 31 is the scheduled adjournment. I have no idea how easy or hard it would be to add days to the work schedule at this point. The bill seems to be stuck in the Senate judiciary committee currently.
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Thought so and what I was hoping.
Though that means expect a full on effort to push it through the senate before then. Jan 3 I think?
They don't have the will to push it through, no matter how much noise they're making. It's easy to play chicken with that particular third rail but they're evil, not stupid.
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State Senator has introduced a bill that exempts Shelby (Memphis) and Davidson (Nashville) counties of TN from permitless carry and carry permits to be required in those counties.
WHAT? Exempt From Constitutional Carry?!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnamdme16Jo
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Dropped yesterday
BREAKING NEWS: ATF Sends Pistol Brace Final Rule To White House For Review!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89d0LCRZ1uM
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Says CDC deleted gun defensive use stats off their site after gun control groups made complains about the stats. Since it didn't match up with their "stats" it must be wrong.
Big News! CDC Deletes Defensive Gun Use Stats To Help Gun Controllers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA2F6m0Fgo8
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Twitchy has picked up the story
For years, the CDC's "fast facts" website on gun violence included a reference to the range of estimates on how often guns were used in self-defense (60,000 to 2.5 million per year) and a link to a CDC review of studies on the topic. https://t.co/tKmo3v3BNg
— Stephen Gutowski (@StephenGutowski) December 15, 2022
However, after the White House and Senator Dick Durbin's office helped connect them with CDC officials, a group of gun-control advocates disputed the higher end of the estimate and said the CDC referencing it made passing new gun restrictions difficult. https://t.co/tKmo3v3BNg
— Stephen Gutowski (@StephenGutowski) December 15, 2022
Nothing suspicious here at all
Damning report by Stephen Gutowski reveals how CDC ditched vital data and bent over for gun grabbers
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/12/15/damning-report-by-stephen-gutowski-reveals-how-cdc-ditched-vital-data-and-bent-over-for-gun-grabbers/
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Trump and MAGA Republicans knowingly sent an armed mob to the Capitol—extremist groups took Trump's words as a call to action. pic.twitter.com/17CA2B58Sf
— CAP Action (@CAPAction) December 19, 2022
Domestic terrorists are the #1 threat to our nation & they are heavily armed with weapons of war. @SenSchumer should schedule a vote ban assault weapons to keep Congress safe. If the insurrectionists were armed with AR15s, we would not be living in a democratic nation right now. https://t.co/4Cln1CcMfn
— Newtown Action Alliance (@NewtownAction) December 20, 2022
But they didn't did they. Guess that fact is lost on CAP Action.
Wait a minute. Were any guns actually found on the "insurrectionists"?
Besides, I thought the govt had F-15s and nukes making AR-15s useless
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/12/20/newtown-action-alliance-says-ar-15s-should-be-banned-to-keep-congress-safe/
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Shouldn't CDC quit doing or saying anything at all about guns? Pretty sure they should.
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Read today that the new ghost gun rule goes into effect.
https://thehill.com/regulation/legislation/3614421-atf-goes-after-ghost-guns-as-new-rule-takes-effect/
The new rule requires that retailers run background checks before selling parts kits that someone could use to assemble a firearm, clarifies the definition of frame or receiver and identifies which parts of the firearm must be marked with a serial number.
The rule also requires that gun retailers and gunsmiths add a serial number to guns printed on 3D printers or any nonserialized firearms they accept for resale or purchase.
The time for which gun retailers must retain records has also been increased from two decades to the entire time in which the retailers are licensed. The Justice Department noted that ATF had been unable to trace many firearms that were reportedly used in homicides and violent crime due to the destruction of records after 20 years.
Update
A federal judge in Texas has granted a preliminary injunction against the federal government’s enforcement of the final rule regarding partially manufactured firearm parts and kits in a case known as VanDerStok v. Garland, which challenged the authority of the Justice Department and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to regulate items that are not firearms, as if they were firearms
Federal Judge Grants Injunction Blocking Enforcement of ATF’s ‘Frame or Receiver’ Rule
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/federal-judge-grants-injunction-blocking-enforcement-of-atfs-frame-or-receiver-rule/