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Title: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: Ben on February 23, 2021, 08:06:47 AM
American Rifleman says that the most popular pump shotgun of 2020 was the Mossberg 590 Shockwave. They used gunbroker data so I don't know how accurate that is.

I'm wondering how many purchases were newbies who bought it because it looked cool to them? Whatever floats your boat, but IMHO, the Shockwave design is not a good choice for a new gun owner. I've thought about getting a Shockwave grip for my 500 just to play with, so I'm not against them, I just don't think they are the right choice for someone who has never shot a gun before.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2021/2/20/mossberg-590-shockwave-top-selling-pump-shotgun-in-2020/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=insider&utm_campaign=0221
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: Lennyjoe on February 23, 2021, 08:11:18 AM
My writs hurt looking at that thing.  Never had an interest in a pistol grip shottie like that after shooting one many years ago.
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: RoadKingLarry on February 23, 2021, 08:29:34 AM
I bought a PG for my 870 several years ago. Took it down to the range, fired off 1/2 a dozen rounds, took it back to the house and put the shoulder stock back on. Not a fun experience.
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: Ben on February 23, 2021, 08:35:25 AM
I shot an older style pistol grip years ago, and even being experienced, I didn't expect the potential for barrel flip. I caught it, but from many of the youtube videos I have seen, new shooters way too often do not. Seems to be a popular way for jackass boyfriends to introduce their girlfriends to shooting.

My concern would be that if a lot of these newbies are buying them because they look cool in the movies, then going out and shooting them without training, there is gonna be a lawsuit and more anti-gun fodder.
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: dogmush on February 23, 2021, 08:53:10 AM
Birdshead grips are MUCH easier to shoot than the more 90 degree PGO shotguns the 90's and early 2000's made popular. You still want a firm grip on them, but they aren't painful and are pretty controllable, especially if the foregrip has that little strappy thing.  A real improvement on the "small shotgun" idea.

Remember that a Shockwave (or a Serbu Super shorty or the like) is a purpose specific shotgun. No *expletive deleted*it that a stock shoots more accurately and more comfortably.  Now put a full stocked 18" barreled shotgun in a back pack and zip it up.  An M4 is nicer to shoot than a P3AT too, but you can't shove one in your front pocket.

Personally, I think that there are much better concealable firearms out there, but some folks really like a 12Ga, and the Shockwave is a good evolution of the smallest, non-NFA 12 Ga you can get.
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: WLJ on February 23, 2021, 09:01:13 AM
I've seen some of these Gunbroker based "most popular" lists before and most make me scratch my head. Gunbroker is a strange place sometimes
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: K Frame on February 23, 2021, 10:43:22 AM
Yeah.... no thanks.
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: TommyGunn on February 23, 2021, 10:47:46 AM
I bought a Mossy 500 years ago with a pistol grip included as an accessory.   After considering my experiences with shotguns,  I tossed the pistol grip and left the polymer stock on. 
The one in the OP's link .... just no.  Nope.  Not gonna happen. 
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: lee n. field on February 23, 2021, 10:56:37 AM
American Rifleman says that the most popular pump shotgun of 2020 was the Mossberg 590 Shockwave. They used gunbroker data so I don't know how accurate that is.

I'm wondering how many purchases were newbies who bought it because it looked cool to them? Whatever floats your boat, but IMHO, the Shockwave design is not a good choice for a new gun owner. I've thought about getting a Shockwave grip for my 500 just to play with, so I'm not against them, I just don't think they are the right choice for someone who has never shot a gun before.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2021/2/20/mossberg-590-shockwave-top-selling-pump-shotgun-in-2020/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=insider&utm_campaign=0221

It's what's left after people who have a clue bought up everything else.
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: fifth_column on February 23, 2021, 11:19:28 AM
I bought a Mossy 500 years ago . . . .

Must be even more mossy by now . . . . .
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: MechAg94 on February 23, 2021, 11:30:39 AM
I can see getting one of the Shockwave shotguns, but not at the inflated prices lately and all I would likely shoot with it is the 1-3/4" mini-shells.  But it isn't the ideal and not worth the money they were going for last year. 
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: AJ Dual on February 23, 2021, 11:43:06 AM
I built a Shockwave on a 500 cruiser with parts from Mossberg before they were sold retail. More as a "Just because I could" exercise than anything.

If I'd known they'd become so popular, I might not have bothered.

OTOH, I probably have one of the few Shockwaves with a 590 barrel cap, and a heavy 590 SBS barrel, and ghost ring sights.  :cool:



Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: cordex on February 23, 2021, 11:47:01 AM
I bought one (with the strap) a good while back.  It was pretty cheap, and may have been soon after rewatching Justified ...

Haven't shot it yet, though.  Maybe I'll take it to my new place and try it out.
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: MillCreek on February 23, 2021, 12:17:21 PM
I have an 18" Ithaca 37 with a Pachmayr rubber pistol grip and forend.  It is not too bad to shoot.  I may or may not have been inspired by Corporal Hicks in 'Aliens'.
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: K Frame on February 23, 2021, 01:09:54 PM
I have an 18" S&W 3000 police cruiser that I bought for a song years ago. It's got the birchwood stock and that stock is staying on it.
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: Lennyjoe on February 23, 2021, 02:07:29 PM
Since were talking shottie, Iíve been interested in the Keltec variant as well as an AR style shotgun but havenít committed to buying one yet.  Anyone have any intel on them?
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: dogmush on February 23, 2021, 02:16:06 PM
Since were talking shottie, Iíve been interested in the Keltec variant as well as an AR style shotgun but havenít committed to buying one yet.  Anyone have any intel on them?

No, but I can tell you the Black Aces Bullpup I got in Nov as a President "get a shotgun" Biden purchase is all kinds of fun to ring steel with.

https://atlanticfirearms.com/products/black-aces-tactical-bullpup-shotgun-bronze-left-hand-BATBPBRLH-702706998574
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: Lennyjoe on February 23, 2021, 04:03:57 PM
No, but I can tell you the Black Aces Bullpup I got in Nov as a President "get a shotgun" Biden purchase is all kinds of fun to ring steel with.

https://atlanticfirearms.com/products/black-aces-tactical-bullpup-shotgun-bronze-left-hand-BATBPBRLH-702706998574

The only reason I havenít purchase is because Iím a left hand shooter and now youíve settled that for me.  Once they become available again Iíll certainly consider one.
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: Kingcreek on February 23, 2021, 04:24:07 PM
If I had a list of guns I must buy, the shockwave and anything similar is way down that list, like at at the end of it, after almost everything else.
And I donít own a shotgun with full stock and pistol grip. Never will. Iíve shot them.
I would agree to meet you at the range and shoot skeet, sporting clays, or even a combat course. Your pistol grip anything against me and my non PG shotgun and I will outshoot you.
I might not look as Hollywood Uber tacticool but my 20Ē 870 with extended mag and big head safety is as modified as I need and I shoot my stock beretta 390 even better.
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: dogmush on February 23, 2021, 04:35:25 PM
If I had a list of guns I must buy, the shockwave and anything similar is way down that list, like at at the end of it, after almost everything else.
And I donít own a shotgun with full stock and pistol grip. Never will. Iíve shot them.
I would agree to meet you at the range and shoot skeet, sporting clays, or even a combat course. Your pistol grip anything against me and my non PG shotgun and I will outshoot you.
I might not look as Hollywood Uber tacticool but my 20Ē 870 with extended mag and big head safety is as modified as I need and I shoot my stock beretta 390 even better.

OK. 
First course of fire: Put your shotgun in a normal back pack and zip it up.  On buzzer, draw it and fire one round at a target.

Second course of fire: Conceal your shotgun completely (So that it can not be seen from outside the car) under the seat of a 1992 Honda Civic.  On the buzzer retrieve it and fire one shot at the target outside the passenger window while sitting in the driver seat.

Third Course of fire: While wearing a plate carrier with 7 full 30 round M4 Magazines, IFAC, 4 C.A.T's, 3 Sig P320 magazines, Sig P320 full size, and four full grenade pouches, and holding a loaded AR-15, secure your shotgun in a scabbard on your back.  On the buzzer draw the shotgun and deliver a breeching round to a simulated door without allowing the AR to touch the ground.

Fourth course of fire: In a shoot house that simulates travel trailer, store your shotgun next to or under a full size mattress in an 8x10ft room.  On the buzzer get out of bed, secure your shotgun, travel down a 24" wide hallway with a 90* right turn.  At the turn deliver one round into a silhouette 36" away.


Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: Ben on February 23, 2021, 05:12:57 PM
Fourth course of fire: In a shoot house that simulates travel trailer, store your shotgun next to or under a full size mattress in an 8x10ft room.  On the buzzer get out of bed, secure your shotgun, travel down a 24" wide hallway with a 90* right turn.  At the turn deliver one round into a silhouette 36" away.

That one is easy:

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Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: Devonai on February 23, 2021, 07:40:28 PM
I have an 18" Ithaca 37 with a Pachmayr rubber pistol grip and forend.  It is not too bad to shoot.  I may or may not have been inspired by Corporal Hicks in 'Aliens'.

I almost bought a H&K VP-70 for the same reason, but for the atrocious trigger. The gun store employee let me play around with it for a while but it didn't grow on me. It was fun to watch the Forgotten Weapons video on that pistol almost two decades later to confirm it wasn't my imagination.
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: T.O.M. on February 23, 2021, 08:02:51 PM
Damn it.  Can't figure out how to share a YouTube video using my phone.  Go to YouTube,  search Thunder Ranch and Shockwave.  Clint Smith did an interesting video on the Shockwave, which left me with the impression that it could be a valid fighting tool.  But I then thought a 20 gauge would likely be a far better choice of "caliber" for the platform.  Less recoil, but plenty of power.
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: Lennyjoe on February 23, 2021, 09:22:07 PM
Gunbroker is showing them in the mid $600ís
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: De Selby on February 23, 2021, 09:33:03 PM
The shockwave is an answer in search of a problem - why would anyone buy it when you can have the awesome power of a Taurus Judge?
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: MechAg94 on February 24, 2021, 08:32:51 AM
If you can handle the Shockwave and hit the target at across the home distances, then it will work.  It is pretty small and easy to conceal.  But I wonder how fast most people could shoot 3 or 4 rounds of buckshot out of the thing and hit a target at 15 yards. 
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: WLJ on February 24, 2021, 08:38:17 AM
Since were talking shottie, Iíve been interested in the Keltec variant as well as an AR style shotgun but havenít committed to buying one yet.  Anyone have any intel on them?

Have had a KSG for awhile now. More after some coffee soaks in.
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: Ben on February 24, 2021, 08:40:09 AM
No, but I can tell you the Black Aces Bullpup I got in Nov as a President "get a shotgun" Biden purchase is all kinds of fun to ring steel with.

https://atlanticfirearms.com/products/black-aces-tactical-bullpup-shotgun-bronze-left-hand-BATBPBRLH-702706998574

Dammit. As a lefty, now I want one of these too. I watched a few video reviews. Seems like a very fun gun.
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: MechAg94 on February 24, 2021, 09:57:26 AM
Have had a KSG for awhile now. More after some coffee soaks in.
More please.  One of those has been on my mind especially since I saw one for sale recently. 

Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: MechAg94 on February 24, 2021, 10:09:04 AM
Damn it.  Can't figure out how to share a YouTube video using my phone.  Go to YouTube,  search Thunder Ranch and Shockwave.  Clint Smith did an interesting video on the Shockwave, which left me with the impression that it could be a valid fighting tool.  But I then thought a 20 gauge would likely be a far better choice of "caliber" for the platform.  Less recoil, but plenty of power.
MOSSBERG SHOCKWAVE OVERVIEW - Thunder Ranch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM_sqSTg2v8
Are you thinking about this video? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGtM9YnMDIk
The Mossberg SHOCKWAVE - 12ga Buck vs Bird vs Slug - Jerry Miculek
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: Ben on February 24, 2021, 10:49:30 AM
Watching Clint's video on proper technique, IMO, the main reason to have a shockwave is for portability / concealability. If I'm pushing the shotgun out in front of me as he demonstrates, that just seems awkward compared to just having a full stock I can push into my shoulder. Or just getting a folding stock tactical shotgun for portability.

I mean, yeah, you use a similar technique with AR pistols if their brace is folded, but there's a lot less recoil to contend with for follow up shots.

JMHO.
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: WLJ on February 24, 2021, 11:39:36 AM
More please.  One of those has been on my mind especially since I saw one for sale recently.

Not really not much to say beyond it's a small very handy KSG pump action Dual tube 14 (7x 2.75 per tube) + 1 with a manual selector. You can have one load in one side and another load in the other.
You really have to hold one to see if they're for you.
Only real problem I've had is the occasional short stroke which are my fault. Racking it like you mean it takes care of that. Some may dislike the sight over bore height being a typical bullpup in that regard. Also some may dislike the fact that the closing rack is forward and close to the end of the barrel and worry that you hand may slip in front of the muzzle. This has happened twice that I know of of this happening and from what I've read both were user errors. One IIRC had a cheapo vertical grip that broke. Many install a hand stop for peace of mind.
Other than that it's a 12ga pump

The KSG7 is a single tube version of the KSG and instead of a rail it comes with a carry handle iron sight setup.
 

 
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: French G. on February 24, 2021, 12:26:08 PM
I used to hang out in a local gun store so often they had me man the counter when they made food runs. In a not great neighborhood too. But anyway their Mossberg PGOs were their most popular gun by far. Most of the clientele indicated which gun they wanted to see by referencing the film Training Day since they didnít know how else to name the gun. To the point the staff just called the guns Denzels. Well, they had a range at another site and you got free passes with a gun purchase. They always tried to up sell a few boxes of the hardest hitting 3Ē slug they had, presumably to keep the range staff entertained.
Title: Re: Most Popular Pump Shotgun of 2020
Post by: T.O.M. on February 24, 2021, 04:14:53 PM
MOSSBERG SHOCKWAVE OVERVIEW - Thunder Ranch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM_sqSTg2v8
Are you thinking about this video? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGtM9YnMDIk
The Mossberg SHOCKWAVE - 12ga Buck vs Bird vs Slug - Jerry Miculek

That's the one.  Verified what we have been discussing.  It's a powerful weapon and could be effective...for someone willing to learn the gun.  Clint Smith obviously spent some time on that gun