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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: MillCreek on March 22, 2021, 09:03:17 PM
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Reports of six dead at a King So opera in Boulder. At least one cop dead. Suspect in custody.
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Reports of six dead at a King So opera in Boulder. At least one cop dead. Suspect in custody.
Thought King So sounded like a Chinese restaurant or something. It's King Soopers a grocery store.
Boulder 'active shooter' reported at King Soopers grocery store, police say
https://www.foxnews.com/us/active-shooter-reported-at-colorado-shopping-center-police
2nd mass shooting after not having any for a while since the those gun control bills stalled in the senate [tinfoil]
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^^^So that was how autocorrect did the store name.
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^^^So that was how autocorrect did the store name.
Thought another "Asian shooting"
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Does anyone know if King Soopers is posted as a gun-free zone?
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Reports saying an AR-15 was used. There’s the incident that that will push the assault weapons ban I to the limelight
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10 dead
Expect this to unjam the "assault" weapons ban bill in the Senate
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I need more tin foil for my hat
Article from just 4 days ago
Boulder, Colorado’s ban on the ownership of AR-15’s and magazines carrying more than 10 rounds was struck down by Colorado state judge Andrew Hartman. Hartman struck down the ban because it violated the state’s Preemption law, which prevents localities from imposing gun regulation above and beyond the state’s law. The ruling requires that Boulder stop the enforcement of the ban immediately.
Colorado Judge Strikes Down AR-15 Ban
https://fullmagnews.com/2021/03/18/colorado-judge-strikes-down-ar-15-ban/
Colorado Judge Strikes Down Boulder’s AR-15 Ban
https://freebeacon.com/guns/colorado-judge-strikes-down-boulders-ar-15-ban/
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I need more tin foil for my hat
Article from just 4 days ago
Colorado Judge Strikes Down AR-15 Ban
https://fullmagnews.com/2021/03/18/colorado-judge-strikes-down-ar-15-ban/
Colorado Judge Strikes Down Boulder’s AR-15 Ban
https://freebeacon.com/guns/colorado-judge-strikes-down-boulders-ar-15-ban/
Got any to spare? 'Cause damn that's quite the coincidence... I mean, I know correlation doesn't equal causation, but in this day and age, I'm giving anything and everything the hairy eyeball.
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Does anyone know if King Soopers is posted as a gun-free zone?
From 2019:
https://www.denverpost.com/2019/09/04/king-soopers-walmart-gun-open-carry/
Apparently they followed Walmart's lead: No open carry; don't ask, don't tell for concealed. Obviously this store being located in Boulder, other factors come into play regarding the probability of another shopper being (or more likely not being) armed.
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I try to not think in tin-foil terms, choosing to believe that human stupidity is plenty enough to 'splain most coincidences. This time, events and timing are making me reconsider. The state knockdown of same-location ordinance less than a week ago, overt national pressure for "assault weapon" control, a general loathing of any kind of firearm in that particular area. It's a little too coincidental even for me.
Another thing... Shooter must not have been a conservative. If he/she was, they would already be trumpeting every tiny detail of the person's existence as prima fascie evidence of why Conservatives should be rounded up and sent to reeducation camps.
Brad
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Another news source mentioned a live stream of the incident was posted on YouTube but I couldn’t find it. Assuming YouTube took it down because it showed lifeless bodies.
It is interesting that we haven’t heard much about the shooter or his motive, only that he used an AR.
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I try to not think in tin-foil terms, choosing to believe that human stupidity is plenty enough to 'splain most coincidences. This time, events and timing are making me reconsider. The state knockdown of same-location ordinance less than a week ago, overt national pressure for "assault weapon" control, a general loathing of any kind of firearm in that particular area. It's a little too coincidental even for me.
Another thing... Shooter must not have been a conservative. If he/she was, they would already be trumpeting every tiny detail of the person's existence as prima fascie evidence of why Conservatives should be rounded up and sent to reeducation camps.
Brad
I do it more of a joke joke than anything else. Personally I think most things like this can be explained by the fact that Murphy is an ahole in addition to being an optimist
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Another news source mentioned a live stream of the incident was posted on YouTube but I couldn’t find it. Assuming YouTube took it down because it showed lifeless bodies.
It is interesting that we haven’t heard much about the shooter or his motive, only that he used an AR.
I bet youtube would have taken it down as soon as it was noticed. They don't even allow gun handling on livestreams anymore.
I guess we will see what other information comes out. The article at the top has almost no information other than it appears similar to the Walmart shooting in Texas a couple years ago.
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I bet youtube would have taken it down as soon as it was noticed. They don't even allow gun handling on livestreams anymore.
Yep, guns can be shown in the background on a livestream but not handled. Several of the gun channels have run afoul of this. In a live Q&A someone will ask about a particular gun and the livestreamer will say something along the lines I can't show it to you on a livestream now where before they would.
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If only that ban hadn't been overturned
“We tried to protect our city,” she told The Washington Post. “It’s so tragic to see the legislation struck down, and days later, to have our city experience exactly what we were trying to prevent.”
Boulder’s assault weapons ban, meant to stop mass shootings, was blocked 10 days before grocery store attack
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/23/guns-boulder-shooting-assault-weapons-ban/
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“We tried to protect our city,” she told The Washington Post. “It’s so tragic to see the legislation struck down, and days later, to have our city experience exactly what we were trying to prevent.”
I'm pretty sure going into a grocery store and shooting people was already illegal in Boulder . . . .
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Yep, guns can be shown in the background on a livestream but not handled.
I was watching I think the latest Garand Thumb video yesterday where he offhandedly mentioned something about Youtube making things hard on him.
I don't know the economics of monetizing videos on youtube and elsewhere, but it seems if more really well known guys like him would leave youtube, people would follow. I can see though, where if it is your livelihood, it's difficult to take the chance of being the first one to leave and maybe or maybe not having negative income impacts.
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Hear that sound? It's the sound of shovels
BREAKING: Boulder, CO shooting suspect identified as 21-year-old Ahmad Al-Issa (Updated)
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/03/23/breaking-boulder-co-shooting-suspect-identified-as-21-year-old-ahmad-alyssa/
King Soopers Shooting: Ahmad Al-Issa Suspected Of Killing 10
https://denver.cbslocal.com/2021/03/23/king-soopers-shooting-ahmad-al-issa-suspected-killing-10/
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Hear that sound? It's the sound of shovels
No, no. It will be the deflector screens. The shooter will not be mentioned. The AR15 with the chainsaw bayonet being responsible will be all that is mentioned. In fact it may have also had a mind control attachment to force the shooter to pull the trigger.
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If only that ban hadn't been overturned
Boulder’s assault weapons ban, meant to stop mass shootings, was blocked 10 days before grocery store attack
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/23/guns-boulder-shooting-assault-weapons-ban/
Does anyone know exactly how Boulder defined "assault weapon"? Remember, after the 1994 federal AWB set forth a definition of what constituted an "assault weapon," companies immediately began making and selling "modern sporting rifles" that were AR-15s but not "assault weapons." Consequently, even if the firearm used in King Soopers was an AR-15, that doesn't mean it was an "assault weapon."
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No, no. It will be the deflector screens. The shooter will not be mentioned. The AR15 with the chainsaw bayonet being responsible will be all that is mentioned. In fact it may have also had a mind control attachment to force the shooter to pull the trigger.
Has anyone seen anything definitive on what kind of gun(s) was used. May not matter anyway even if he used a Glock bayonet lugs will still need to be banned to prevent mass bayonetings. Will someone please think of the children?
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Another news source mentioned a live stream of the incident was posted on YouTube but I couldn’t find it. Assuming YouTube took it down because it showed lifeless bodies.
It is interesting that we haven’t heard much about the shooter or his motive, only that he used an AR.
One livestream is here, for now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikujTMetrUk
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If only that ban hadn't been overturned
Boulder’s assault weapons ban, meant to stop mass shootings, was blocked 10 days before grocery store attack
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/23/guns-boulder-shooting-assault-weapons-ban/
Since the (alleged) killer is from Arvada, not Boulder ...
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I was watching I think the latest Garand Thumb video yesterday where he offhandedly mentioned something about Youtube making things hard on him.
I don't know the economics of monetizing videos on youtube and elsewhere, but it seems if more really well known guys like him would leave youtube, people would follow. I can see though, where if it is your livelihood, it's difficult to take the chance of being the first one to leave and maybe or maybe not having negative income impacts.
Not sure about Garand Thumb, but Mrgunsngear often says a good number of his views are from people not subscribed. A lot of those guys do mirror their content on other sites, but the number of views on those sites are relatively small. I know Sootch00 says he figures he reachs a lot of non-gun people on youtube he would never reach somewhere else.
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Ali Aliwi Al-Issa, the suspect’s 34-year-old brother, told The Daily Beast that his brother was mentally ill, disturbed, and paranoid.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/suspect-in-boulder-mass-shooting-identified-as-ahmad-al-aliwi-alissa-very-anti-social_3745850.html
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One livestream is here, for now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikujTMetrUk
Looked like at least one officer had a suppressor on his rifle (not the shooter).
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https://www.theepochtimes.com/suspect-in-boulder-mass-shooting-identified-as-ahmad-al-aliwi-alissa-very-anti-social_3745850.html
Link won't let me see anything but the headline. Any good quotes from it?
The name sounds like your typical Trump voter though. ;)
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https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/03/23/lefties-like-journo-and-activist-against-islamophobia-cj-werleman-might-want-to-rethink-their-white-domestic-terrorist-takes-after-boulder-shooting-suspect-idd/
Also, I can never play the stupid Fox News live video links, but they have a video "live" link to the senate right this minute "discussing" new gun legislation. I'd better call the LGS about the MK116 on their wall. I was gonna get it anyway. Better beat the panic.
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Early rumors after Georgia and Colorado...
Dems will push both the "background check" and AWB as priority legislation. Some Reps may cave on either or both of these.
Dems are drafting language, either as a separate bill or an amendment to the background check bill, to create a federally mandated waiting period. It will purport to give sufficient time for a complete background check.
Some of the usual suspects are throwing around ideas like "psychological evaluations" as a part of the background check, removing the grandfather clause in the AWB, gun registration, etc
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Link won't let me see anything but the headline. Any good quotes from it?
The name sounds like your typical Trump voter though. ;)
The suspect “very anti-social” and paranoid, his brother told the news outlet, noting that he would often remark that he was “being chased, someone is behind him, someone is looking for him.”
“When he was having lunch with my sister in a restaurant, he said, ‘People are in the parking lot, they are looking for me.’ She went out, and there was no one. We didn’t know what was going on in his head,” Al-Issa said.
Other than the above, mostly just dem politicians calling for an end to guns.
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That's rough. Ten folks went to the grocery store on an idle Tuesday and ended up dead because of some nut job. Sad. =(
Politician responses are entirely routine and expected.
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Right on cue ...
https://www.theblaze.com/news/democrats-boulder-massacre-gun-control-agenda
Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), one of the staunchest gun control advocates in Congress, said America must use the Boulder atrocity to take its stand against gun violence.
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Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), meanwhile, promised that lawmakers would advance gun control measures in the wake of the Boulder massacre.
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Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), lamenting the latest mass tragedy, said gun reform is the only adequate response.
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said:
"For the second time in a week, our nation is being confronted by the epidemic of gun violence. Too many families in too many places are being forced to endure this unfathomable pain and anguish. Action is needed now to prevent this scourge from continuing to ravage our communities."
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Never lets facts get in the way of an agenda
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The NYT is reporting that Mr. Issa was born in Syria in 1999 and has lived most of his life in the US. His interests include wrestling and kickboxing and has studied computer engineering at a local university.
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Has Schiff started an investigation into Russian involvement and started impeachment proceedings yet?
Whoops, wrong president on the latter.
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The NYT is reporting that Mr. Issa was born in Syria in 1999 and has lived most of his life in the US.
Hmm ... one of the refugees Obama brought in?
(asking, not stating)
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He got the "White Man Treatment" because he's white.
"White Man Treatment" = Wasn't killed by police
https://twitter.com/thewallyeller/status/1374391140707835914
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/03/23/racially-conscious-tweeter-backs-up-meena-harris-by-explaining-why-boulder-shooting-suspect-ahmad-al-aliwi-alissa-still-gets-white-man-treatment-by-police/
And just in case he wasn't
Hollaria Briden
@HollyBriden
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Police in Boulder shot the gunman once just in case he wasn’t white.
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I have a headache now
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He got the "White Man Treatment" because he's white.
"White Man Treatment" = Wasn't killed by police
https://twitter.com/thewallyeller/status/1374391140707835914
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/03/23/racially-conscious-tweeter-backs-up-meena-harris-by-explaining-why-boulder-shooting-suspect-ahmad-al-aliwi-alissa-still-gets-white-man-treatment-by-police/
Let's also not forget what Kamala Harris's niece, who is adored by the media, said:
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/03/23/busted-meena-harris-kamalas-niece-tries-deleting-tweet-using-boulder-gunman-to-frame-white-men-as-violent-and-greatest-terrorist-threat/
Had that been Ivanka Trump saying "probably a Muslim" during Trump's admin, we'd be looking at impeachment #3.
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I find it odd that we suddenly get 2 "white supremist"*/domestic terrorist mass shootings just as the democraps are pushing draconian gun control measures.
Not so long ago I was unwilling to accept the possibility that our political class possessed enough evil to be capable of mass murder to forward their agenda. These days not so much.
*Of course he'll be labeled as a "white" muslim in order to further the agenda.
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Had that been Ivanka Trump saying "probably a Muslim" during Trump's admin, we'd be looking at impeachment #3.
Actually saying it doesn't matter since the MSM knows 100% for certain what either one of the Trumps would have been thinking
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And they pull this BS back out for good measure.
Journo and NBC/MSNBC political analyst knows ‘it’s easier to buy a gun than to register to vote’ in Georgia because ‘activists’ say so
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/03/23/journo-and-nbc-msnbc-political-analyst-knows-its-easier-to-buy-a-gun-than-to-register-to-vote-in-georgia-because-activists-say-so/
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I find it interesting that both the Atlanta and Boulder shooters were just 21 years old. I wonder if there is any significance to that.
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And they pull this BS back out for good measure.
Journo and NBC/MSNBC political analyst knows ‘it’s easier to buy a gun than to register to vote’ in Georgia because ‘activists’ say so
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/03/23/journo-and-nbc-msnbc-political-analyst-knows-its-easier-to-buy-a-gun-than-to-register-to-vote-in-georgia-because-activists-say-so/
I have no problem with people registering to vote on the day of election. Let's make it easy to verify a person's eligibility to vote the same as a instant gun background check and let them vote. Resident..check, Citizen... check, not prohibited from voting due to prior felon status (if applicable).... check. Here you go sir/maam/it, have a nice vote.
bob
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Someone brought up the fact he's Syrian and what did Biden just do in Syria? Yes correlation does not equal causation but it needs to be looked into IMHO
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Let's make it easy to verify a person's eligibility to vote the same as a instant gun background check
bob
Followed by a minimum 10 day hold
Edit: Think the dems would scream bloody murder if you also imposed a 10 vote limit?
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I was listening to Crowder. He said the statistics saying it is mostly white people doing mass shootings classify Middle Eastern people and North African Muslims as white, but they do not include gang shootings. I never looked at those statistics very well.
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I was listening to Crowder. He said the statistics saying it is mostly white people doing mass shootings classify Middle Eastern people and North African Muslims as white, but they do not include gang shootings. I never looked at those statistics very well.
Well lets see, four people were shot dead in Chicago last weekend... which isn't atypical. Not too much in the national news about that.
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Followed by a minimum 10 day hold
Edit: Think the dems would scream bloody murder if you also imposed a 10 vote limit.
Yea, that 10 vote limit would kill it for sure! =|
bob
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Ilhan Omar
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The shooter's race or ethnicity seems front and center when they aren’t white.
Otherwise, it’s just a mentally ill young man having a bad day.
Narratives drive our responses to awful crimes committed against innocent people, pay attention to these responses and who is targeted.
Yeah, right
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EOs may be in the works, including imported ammo ban:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-considering-executive-action-gun-control-psaki
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Just called my LGS about the MK116 Mod2 I was ogling, and it's gone. Apparently they are quite busy today.
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Doesn't say what he used just that he bought an AR-15 although witness reports lean to him using an AR-15
Boulder Suspect Bought an AR-15 Rifle Six Days Before Supermarket Shooting
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/boulder-suspect-bought-an-ar-15-rifle-six-days-before-supermarket-shooting/
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Doesn't say what he used just that he bought an AR-15 although witness reports lean to him using an AR-15
Boulder Suspect Bought an AR-15 Rifle Six Days Before Supermarket Shooting
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/boulder-suspect-bought-an-ar-15-rifle-six-days-before-supermarket-shooting/
From the link:
CNN is reporting that the shooter used “an AR-15-style pistol modified with an arm brace.”
If nothing else, braces will be back in ATF's sights. Interestingly, when my LGS told me the MK116 was gone, I had asked about any PWS lowers and uppers in the store. There were no rifle lowers left, but they had "lots" of pistol lowers.
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EOs may be in the works, including imported ammo ban:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-considering-executive-action-gun-control-psaki
And when this has absolutely zero effect on the 99.9999% of shootings which occur 99.999% of the time in urban areas like Chicago then what? Yes I know the answer to that.
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And when this has absolutely zero effect on the 99.9999% of shootings which occur 99.999% of the time in urban areas like Chicago then what?
Nothing, aside from more gun-related things they decide to ban for the kiddies.
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From the link:
If nothing else, braces will be back in ATF's sights. Interestingly, when my LGS told me the MK116 was gone, I had asked about any PWS lowers and uppers in the store. There were no rifle lowers left, but they had "lots" of pistol lowers.
Must of overlooked that part but maybe because I mentally blot out anything with CNN in it nowadays.
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The fix is in.
I'm seeing headlines for stories I can't read (unless I disable my ad blocker) that seem to suggest rather strongly that the motive was Islamic terrorism. But Islamist terrorism isn't in the narrative du jour, only white supremecist terrorism.
So they're piling on with the "mentally ill" narrative, to cover up the obvious reality that this WAS Islamist terrorism.
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The fix is in.
I'm seeing headlines for stories I can't read unless I disable my ad blocker that seem to suggest rather strongly that the motive was Islamic terrorism. But Islamist terrorism isn't in the narrative du jour, only white supremecist terrorism.
So they're piling on with the "mentally ill" narrative, to cover up the obvious reality that this WAS Islamist terrorism.
The purveyors of Islam want to take over the world as much as the left does. Any action that raises ire against guns is a necessary tool both will use to disarm the resistance they must overcome to reach their ends. This why I say, "Knowing the past I will not surrender any arms and march less prepared into the future."
Woody
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I find it odd that we suddenly get 2 "white supremist"*/domestic terrorist mass shootings just as the democraps are pushing draconian gun control measures.
Not so long ago I was unwilling to accept the possibility that our political class possessed enough evil to be capable of mass murder to forward their agenda. These days not so much.
*Of course he'll be labeled as a "white" muslim in order to further the agenda.
One of my first thoughts upon hearing about this. And I used to find it hard to believe that representatives of our .gov would sanction such methods in support of their goals, not so much anymore.
I would not doubt that there have been many covert and not so covert operations that have resulted in numerous deaths in support of different leftist goals.
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Wind up toys for sure
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Lost in the narrative will be that the shooter [probably] passed a background check and bought the guns legally, so new "enhanced" background check laws could not have made any difference whatsoever. But ... we gotta have 'em because ... reasons.
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Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa, 21, bought a Ruger AR-556 pistol on March 16, Boulder detective Sarah Cantu said in an arrest affidavit (pdf).
The location of the purchase wasn’t detailed.
Ruger introduced the semi-automatic firearm in 2014, describing it as a M4-style modern sporting rifle.
The romantic partner of Alissa’s oldest brother told officers that she had seen Alissa playing with a gun she thought looked like a “machine gun” about two days ago.
Alissa was discussing having a bullet stuck in the gun and was playing with the firearm, which made two others in the house, whose names were redacted, upset. They took the gun, the partner said.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/gun-in-boulder-supermarket-shooting-bought-6-days-earlier-documents_3746259.html
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https://www.theepochtimes.com/gun-in-boulder-supermarket-shooting-bought-6-days-earlier-documents_3746259.html
"They took the gun"
Article site wants me to log in to read. Does it say they gave it back?
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Kerry Picket
@KerryPicket
NYT: “The suspect’s identity was previously known to the F.B.I. because he was linked to another individual under investigation by the bureau, according to law enforcement officials.”
https://twitter.com/KerryPicket/status/1374472417712566291
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The FBI has quite a track record with regard to mass shooters, don't they?
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The FBI has quite a track record with regard to mass shooters, don't they?
Too slow to act? Not enough reason to arrest? The FBI casts their fishing net so far and wide that they catch many people, some of whom turn out to be whacko?
Maybe the FBI keeps tabs on many people that aren't actually suspected of anything and then when those people do something bad we learn that the perpetrator was "known to the FBI."
My point is that "known to the FBI" doesn't mean anything. Was the perp under investigation by the FBI? Or local law enforcement? I am 100% opposed to denying firearms to a person just based on the fact he was "known to the FBI."
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Adage, Old, Pertinent: "The way to a long and happy life is to eat well, marry well, and don't let your name get too well known to the authorities."
I don't know how general this was with Kroger (City Market, King Soopers, etc), but about 6-7 (?) years ago they dispensed with armed guards... at least in the K.S. at 38th and Sheridan in Wheat RIdge. One of the now-unarmed guards commented that they hoped they didn't regret that decision, and that it came from "corporate." (He was a qualified Firearms Instructor, and moved to another merchant armed guard post.)
I joked that if he needed a gun, to holler for me and I could slide my BUG across the floor to him.
Anyhow, that's the background to my question, which is "does Kroger (or any company) have any liability as to what happened because they did away with the armed guards?"
Terry, 230RN
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I have never seen a grocery store with armed guards. Maybe I just didn't notice them.
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Too slow to act? Not enough reason to arrest? The FBI casts their fishing net so far and wide that they catch many people, some of whom turn out to be whacko?
Maybe the FBI keeps tabs on many people that aren't actually suspected of anything and then when those people do something bad we learn that the perpetrator was "known to the FBI."
My point is that "known to the FBI" doesn't mean anything. Was the perp under investigation by the FBI? Or local law enforcement? I am 100% opposed to denying firearms to a person just based on the fact he was "known to the FBI."
I would be curious how many people fall into that category.
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7 out of 9 of the voices in my head say this won't work
Eddie Zipperer
@EddieZipperer
CAMEROTA: "How onerous would it be to have a gun shop owner just say, 'by the way, are you hearing voices? Do you think people are chasing you? Do you think everybody is watching you?' It would have weeded out- possibly- this guy."
CNN’s Alisyn Camerota has an idea on how to stop mentally ill killers from buying a gun
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/03/24/cnns-alisyn-camerota-has-an-idea-on-how-to-stop-mentally-ill-killers-from-buying-a-gun/
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I have never seen a grocery store with armed guards. Maybe I just didn't notice them.
Vallarta's in California...
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I've never seen gravity or x-rays. Honestly, MechAg94...
I take a kind of Darwinian view of an "armed population," per Heinlein.
A minority, I know.
But if everybody (or at least everybody who wanted) had a gun for self-defense, all these putrid attempts at approximating thought-police methods would be unneccesary. Some innocents might be killed, but in the long run, probably less than at present, and the inherent evildoers would be weeded out.
And we wouldn't be stuck in the legal contradiction of declaring people "guilty" before they did anything wrong. This has been going on for long before 1934.
Everybody who wanted? Terry, are you nuts?
Well, I notice that just about every mobile critter on earth has some means of self-defense. Right?
Even Kittens carry concealed...
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Terry, 230RN
Pic credit in properties.
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I would be curious how many people fall into that category.
I figure that if I'm not on at least half a dozen "government lists" I ain't livin' right.
=D
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I have never seen a grocery store with armed guards. Maybe I just didn't notice them.
They are a thing in the Denver area. (I lived in Aurora for eight years.)
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I've never seen gravity or x-rays. Honestly, MechAg94...
I take a kind of Darwinian view of an "armed population," per Heinlein.
A minority, I know.
But if everybody (or at least everybody who wanted) had a gun for self-defense, all these putrid attempts at approximating thought-police methods would be unneccesary. Some innocents might be killed, but in the long run, probably less than at present, and the inherent evildoers would be weeded out.
And we wouldn't be stuck in the legal contradiction of declaring people "guilty" before they did anything wrong. This has been going on for long before 1934.
Everybody who wanted? Terry, are you nuts?
Well, I notice that just about every mobile critter on earth has some means of self-defense. Right?
Even Kittens carry concealed...
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Terry, 230RN
Pic credit in properties.
I am not disbelieving that grocery stores have armed guards, I just never noticed them down here for that type of store. I'll have to look around a bit more carefully next time I visit the big HEB store I go to.
There are armed people in the grocery store. I know there is at least one since I am there.
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I figure that if I'm not on at least half a dozen "government lists" I ain't livin' right.
=D
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7 out of 9 of the voices in my head say this won't work
CNN’s Alisyn Camerota has an idea on how to stop mentally ill killers from buying a gun
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/03/24/cnns-alisyn-camerota-has-an-idea-on-how-to-stop-mentally-ill-killers-from-buying-a-gun/
I agree with this but not in that way. The BATFE needs to add those questions to the 4473 form. They will be just as effective there as if the dealer asks them directly.
Are you the actual transferee/buyer? Yes/No
Are you currently hearing voices from someone not currently nearby? Yes/No
Do you think you are currently under survalence? Yes/No
Are you being followed? Yes/No
I am not sure how to phrase the second question when other people are in the room.
Yes, the gun shop has me on camera. =|
Last, Yes, the grocery store security guard is following me around. =)
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And once again, the intent of those questions is to establish guilt and impose punishment before any actual wrongdoing occurs.
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I agree with this but not in that way. The BATFE needs to add those questions to the 4473 form. They will be just as effective there as if the dealer asks them directly.
Are you the actual transferee/buyer? Yes/No
Are you currently hearing voices from someone not currently nearby? Yes/No
Do you think you are currently under survalence? Yes/No
Are you being followed? Yes/No
I am not sure how to phrase the second question when other people are in the room.
Yes, the gun shop has me on camera. =|
Last, Yes, the grocery store security guard is following me around. =)
Some people are buying guns because they actually are being followed (eg. nutty ex-boyfriend), and we're all under surveillance these days. (Don't tell Alisyn I said that.)
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How about these questions?
1. Are you planning to kill anyone?
2. Are you a whacko?
3. Have you ever voted in favor of gun control or voted for a politician who favors gun control?
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Funny how a lot of talk about the shooter has completely vaporized from the news cycle since it turns out that he wasn't a Whitey McWhiterson neck beard...
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Funny how a lot of talk about the shooter has completely vaporized from the news cycle since it turns out that he wasn't a Whitey McWhiterson neck beard...
He had mental issues. We're supposed to feel sorry for him.
I guess I'm a bad person, because ... I don't.
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He had mental issues. We're supposed to feel sorry for him.
I guess I'm a bad person, because ... I don't.
You remind me of --- of --- well, --- Me!
There is something good to say about hard asses. We don't fall for bleeding heart tactics designed to hide and/or deflect from the truth.
Woody
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He had mental issues. We're supposed to feel sorry for him.
I guess I'm a bad person, because ... I don't.
He had mental issues from being oppressed by you know who so you should feel sorry for him or you're a racist bigot
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Slain officer's father:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/eric-talley-boulder-colorado-police-officer-gun-rights-advocate
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Slain officer's father:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/eric-talley-boulder-colorado-police-officer-gun-rights-advocate
While acknowledging the need for common-sense gun laws, Talley said that "to take away that freedom completely is something I am against and my son was against."
Something tells me the reporter was pressing emotional arguments about "some laws being needed". Since they didn't quote him, I wonder if he really did acknowledge that.
That said, he had some good quotes.
"My son would have been deeply offended to know his death would be used to promote gun control. Before he was an officer, he enjoyed shooting," Homer Talley told TMZ about the 11-year veteran, who was among 10 people slaughtered at a King Soopers supermarket on Monday.
He added: "Just because some wacko goes around shooting people doesn’t mean guns need to be taken away. You can’t take away enough guns to protect this country."
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Something tells me the reporter was pressing emotional arguments about "some laws being needed". Since they didn't quote him, I wonder if he really did acknowledge that.
I was thinking the same thing. They were probably hounding him with "wouldn't you agree though" crap. He might have said something like "They should enforce the laws they have" and that could easily be turned into the "common sense" mantra.
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"Common sense" gun laws would probably be very different with the APS membership than with the DNC crown . . . just as my opinion of what kind of comprehensive immigration reform we need is profoundly different from that of the lefties we see spouting off about the issue on TV all the time.
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Seems to me "common sense" gun control should be defined by a "common sense" reading of the Second Amendment.
Terry, 230RN
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Seems to me "common sense" gun control should be defined by a "common sense" reading of the Second Amendment.
Terry, 230RN
No one in D. C. has common sense since it was reclassified as a super-power. [popcorn] >:D
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I was thinking the same thing. They were probably hounding him with "wouldn't you agree though" crap. He might have said something like "They should enforce the laws they have" and that could easily be turned into the "common sense" mantra.
Sounds very likely to me.
After Boulder-King Soopers, I'm starting a pro/con in my head about open carry. I suppose it makes you a target, but I also suppose it makes you a deterrent. Authorities warn that some local governments may have their own laws about open carry (e.g., Denver) and if there's a "scene" from a Libwimp about it, there's always a possible "disturbing the peace" charge to be laid on you just to get the Libwimp to shut up. Et cetera.
" 'Tis a puzzlement." (Yul Brynner in "The King and I.")
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I prefer to carry concealed. My immediate reaction to a bad situation like Boulder would be to get myself and loved ones out of there by any means possible.
Draw and engage would be last resort if we are unable to evacuate safely. Another reason why I carry spare magazines is if I need more than a handful of rounds to aid in our egress.
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Well the decision to engage should not be taken lightly. Wife, 2.7 kids, 1.25 dogs, 7.4 cats, nope. Beat feet, remembering that besides the emergency exits you should know about, take note that the back end of most stores have exits to the street or loading docks. So conceal or cover the best you can otherwise.
However, I'm 82, offsprings are gainfully employed, etc, and I figure I might best benefit humanity after all that time by delivering suppressive fire... and besides, having a red laser dot dancing around his area might be discouraging and distracting so others might have a better chance to exeunt.
So, if nobody else near me might be in danger simply because I'm drawing fire, that would also enter into my calc'lations.
Y' gotta think out your options in advance. That used to be pop-psych "paranoid," but after Boulder-King Soopers, it's just good sense.
Speaking of "paranoid," the timing of these things sure looks like smoke surrounding a fire. These weak-minded people will fall for a lot of weird suggestions
Terry, 230RN
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Speaking of "paranoid," the timing of these things sure looks like smoke surrounding a fire. These weak-minded people will fall for a lot of weird suggestions
Terry, 230RN
Agreed.
The "timing" is too convenient, like so many other mass shootings.
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Well the decision to engage should not be taken lightly. Wife, 2.7 kids, 1.25 dogs, 7.4 cats, nope. Beat feet, remembering that besides the emergency exits you should know about, take note that the back end of most stores have exits to the street or loading docks. So conceal or cover the best you can otherwise.
However, I'm 82, offsprings are gainfully employed, etc, and I figure I might best benefit humanity after all that time by delivering suppressive fire... and besides, having a red laser dot dancing around his area might be discouraging and distracting so others might have a better chance to exeunt.
So, if nobody else near me might be in danger simply because I'm drawing fire, that would also enter into my calc'lations.
Y' gotta think out your options in advance. That used to be pop-psych "paranoid," but after Boulder-King Soopers, it's just good sense.
Speaking of "paranoid," the timing of these things sure looks like smoke surrounding a fire. These weak-minded people will fall for a lot of weird suggestions
Terry, 230RN
A red laser might distract him, but I would hope he is distracted by getting shot before he notices the laser.
These mass shooting episodes all seem to end pretty fast once someone else with a gun shows up to challenge the shooter (whether they are shot or not). However, this time I wasn't sure if the one officer who died was trying to shoot the guy or if he just caught shot before knowing what was happening.
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MechAg94 remarked,
"A red laser might distract him, but I would hope he is distracted by getting shot before he notices the laser."
True, but the hope that I might make a lucky disabling shot while my laser dot was dancing around was left unstated as being utterly unsavory to any Libwimps who happen to be reading APS.
I wish I knew more about Jack WIlson's sighting equipment and training habits... he's the church Deacon in Texas who dropped a shooter with one to the head. DRT is better than a "disabling shot" in terms of ultimate expense to the State, but more bloodthirsty-sounding to the Libwimps.
Terry, 230RN
REF: I was going to post a video of the event, but most of them seem to have deleted the indelicate part. Me, I call that lying by omission, and serves only to mollify the Libwimps.
"Extra Credit" Nice solid 13 minute interview with Deacon Wilson by two "sympatico" reporters. Note that the initial suspicion of the shooter's activity was not <ahem> paranoid. "I took out evil."
https://youtu.be/cuOEv1jCivg
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*expletive deleted*ck what the liberals think stack bodies and end bloodlines.
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Shooting in California last night https://www.wave3.com/2021/04/01/several-dead-california-shooting-business-building/
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MechAg94 remarked,
"A red laser might distract him, but I would hope he is distracted by getting shot before he notices the laser."
True, but the hope that I might make a lucky disabling shot while my laser dot was dancing around was left unstated as being utterly unsavory to any Libwimps who happen to be reading APS.
I wish I knew more about Jack WIlson's sighting equipment and training habits... he's the church Deacon in Texas who dropped a shooter with one to the head. DRT is better than a "disabling shot" in terms of ultimate expense to the State, but more bloodthirsty-sounding to the Libwimps.
Terry, 230RN
REF: I was going to post a video of the event, but most of them seem to have deleted the indelicate part. Me, I call that lying by omission, and serves only to mollify the Libwimps.
"Extra Credit" Nice solid 13 minute interview with Deacon Wilson by two "sympatico" reporters. Note that the initial suspicion of the shooter's activity was not <ahem> paranoid. "I took out evil."
https://youtu.be/cuOEv1jCivg
I never heard anything about his gun except I thought it was a Sig in 357 Sig. I assumed something like a P229, but not sure. I have a police trade in P229 in 40. That reminds me I need to get some night sights for it.
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Shooting in California last night https://www.wave3.com/2021/04/01/several-dead-california-shooting-business-building/
Murder / Suicide by cop? Too early to know all that I guess.
The main thing it looks like to me is a good reason to carry everywhere.
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^^^I wonder if the California shooting will turn out to be a domestic violence situation.
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Shooting in California last night https://www.wave3.com/2021/04/01/several-dead-california-shooting-business-building/
Every local tragedy is now national news so they can be first when they finally get a white shooter and POC victims. Except in Chicago or Baltimore... How’s the hunt going for the klan in that Virginia Beach shooting BTW? Anyone hear more on how the Boulder shooter got to the States?
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Meanwhile in Chicago
Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 134
Shot & Wounded: 602
Total Shot: 736
Total Homicides: 141
https://heyjackass.com/
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Anyone hear more on how the Boulder shooter got to the States?
Was he an immigrant?
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Was he an immigrant?
Born in Syria, then moved to the U.S.
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^^^I believe his family moved here when he was four years old.
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WLJ's cited article on the CA incident refers to a shooting that occurred in December 1997. Was there any State or National gun legislation pending at that time?
Hawkmoon, you were keeping track of "mass" shootings. Does your data also show anything about gun legislation going on at those times?
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The cited article refers to a shooting that occurred in December 1997. Was there any State or National gun legislation pending at that time?
Hawkmoon, you were keeping track of "mass" shootings. Does your data also show anything about gun legislation going on at those times?
There were no shootings in 1997, that was during the time of the magic assault weapons ban.
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^^^I wonder if the California shooting will turn out to be a domestic violence situation.
Looks like it may be just that. Hispanic man with a handgun. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/orange-shooting-news-conference-california-watch-live-stream-today-2021-04-01/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=curated
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There were no shootings in 1997, that was during the time of the magic assault weapons ban.
Oh. Took me a minute to get that one. :)
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Swing and a miss journalists, time to long for the next distraction.
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(https://i.imgflip.com/533r4z.jpg)
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The shooter wasn't just not white. He was, wait for it -
Asian!
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Hawkmoon, you were keeping track of "mass" shootings. Does your data also show anything about gun legislation going on at those times?
No.
I generally try to keep an eye on what's being proposed, but I don't track proposed legislation formally, and there's no tie-in to my mass shooting spreadsheet.
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There were no shootings in 1997, that was during the time of the magic assault weapons ban.
Correct.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1997-dec-20-mn-432-story.html
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Another source, please?
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^ Link content visually blocked by indelible request to subscribe.
Another source, please?
Click Reload (or "Refresh") and then quickly click Stop and you can beat the subscription pop-up.
If that doesn't work: https://apnews.com/article/a30281a1324ccf849b7f7e9c28c39901
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Click Reload (or "Refresh") and then quickly click Stop and you can beat the subscription pop-up.
If that doesn't work: https://apnews.com/article/a30281a1324ccf849b7f7e9c28c39901
Also, in Firefox, you can click the reader view button.
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Interesting. When I click on the link in old icky yuchy obsolete IE11, the article comes right up, no problem.
In Brave, the popup (now that I actually read it) was a Brave-approved ad, so solution found.
The article is dated Dec. 20, 1997 12 AM PT.
Life goes on. Forget it.
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Yes, the article was about a 1997 shooting because I was responding to a comment that there were no shootings in 1997.
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The remark about no shootings during the "magic" Assault Weapon Ban was a joke. I remarked that I didn't get it right away.
My Reply #111:
There were no shootings in 1997, that was during the time of the magic assault weapons ban.
"Oh. Took me a minute to get that one. :)"
Akin to our usual wisecracks about it being impossible for a gun violence incident to occur in California whenever they happen.
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https://www.denverpost.com/2021/04/02/gun-control-mass-shootings-boulder-aurora-theater-columbine/
But linking current federal and state legislation to preventing horrors like Boulder is mere political opportunism. We must continue to work to keep firearms out of the wrong hands, but we must also recognize that we cannot legislate away evil.
George H. Brauchler is the former district attorney for the 18th Judicial District.
https://www.cpr.org/2021/04/02/before-its-even-introduced-colorado-gun-owners-want-dems-to-know-they-oppose-an-assault-weapons-ban/
Colorado gun owners are gearing up to oppose any new proposed restrictions, despite the fact that the most controversial proposal has not yet been introduced. After a gunman killed 10 people in Boulder, preliminary discussions are underway for a statewide assault weapons ban. Opposition for that measure does not just come from conservatives. Even among some Democratic voters and the party’s leaders who control the state legislature, it would be a difficult political lift.