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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on April 10, 2021, 05:23:01 PM
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I thought that this was a cogent tweet by Scott Adams:
Scott Adams
@ScottAdamsSays
I call on our national leaders to START NOW to persuade the public against staging violent protests after the Floyd trial verdict.
If our leaders stay silent, they will all have blood on their hands.
@POTUS
@KamalaHarris
@SpeakerPelosi
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/04/10/scott-adams-wants-national-leaders-to-call-for-calm-now-in-preparation-for-the-derek-chauvin-verdict/
I'm betting that whatever the verdict, to include life in prison, it will not be "good enough" for the usual demographics, and rioting will ensue.
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Can't let a "good" excuse to loot go to waste. You picked out a big screen TV yet?
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If he got the death penalty (MN doesn't have the death penalty) there would be riots of joy; they look just like protest riots.
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If he got the death penalty (MN doesn't have the death penalty) there would be riots of joy; they look just like protest riots.
Good point.
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93% peaceful riots
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If he got the death penalty (MN doesn't have the death penalty) there would be riots of joy; they look just like protest riots.
Of course. You don't expect the rats to not take the opportunity to create more fear and mayhem, do you?
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I'm following the case and even before the defense has made its case, it's becoming clear that Chauvin is not guilty.
The press of course isn't reporting that, so the furor will be monumental IF the jury comes back with a just verdict.
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I'm following the case and even before the defense has made its case, it's becoming clear that Chauvin is not guilty.
The press of course isn't reporting that, so the furor will be monumental IF the jury comes back with a just verdict.
The media play by play got a lot quieter around the cross examinations.
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I'm following the case and even before the defense has made its case, it's becoming clear that Chauvin is not guilty.
The press of course isn't reporting that, so the furor will be monumental IF the jury comes back with a just verdict.
The amusing part is it has become clear he is not guilty and that is while the defense has not even made their case yet, just done cross examinations.
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I feel sorry for the jurors. They are all probably in fear of their lives. I predict a guilty verdict for that reason. Evidence won't matter...only the threat of violence against the jurors.
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I feel sorry for the jurors. They are all probably in fear of their lives. I predict a guilty verdict for that reason. Evidence won't matter...only the threat of violence against the jurors.
Yeah, that too. I had read they were keeping the jurors anonymous, but someone in the msm was trying to find out who they were. Journalism.
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Yeah, that too. I had read they were keeping the jurors anonymous, but someone in the msm was trying to find out who they were. Journalism.
The New York Times tried hard to find out who they are.
It's going to be a riot, doesn't matter the outcome. Just look at Portland last night. What it's not in the news?
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Since there will be riots regardless, might as well hope for a just verdict.
(https://i.imgur.com/Fc0CMYC.jpg)
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Ought to be quite the fire since the usual suspects are already mostly peacefully protesting another one shot by cop nearby.
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Ought to be quite the fire since the usual suspects are already mostly peacefully protesting another one shot by cop nearby.
Is there anything left to burn?
edited for dumbness.
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I'm going to riot either way.
But only after I get home from work, change into my lounging clothes, have a snack and rest a bit.
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Events like this certainly do not help ease the tension.
Daunte Wright shooting bodycam - police breakdown
https://youtu.be/wm5SMurcZtM
Daunte Wright, 20, was shot after the officer meant to use a Taser, but mistakenly drew her gun instead, Chief Tim Gannon told reporters.
Mr Wright's death has sparked protests and a curfew has been declared.
Tensions in nearby Minneapolis are high as the trial of an ex-officer accused of killing George Floyd
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Watched a ten minute podcast of Stefan Molyneux talking about the recent shooting where the cop shot the perp with her gun instead of the taser. His comments were about the states escalation in the use of force when being resisted, although he acknowledges the officer inadvertently grabbed the wrong weapon in this case.
His point was resisting the state always results in the state escalating their use of force, even up to the point of killing the one resisting. Whenever we advocate for a law, we must consider that ultimately it is backed up by deadly use of force.
Pretty ABC libertarian philosophy, but still a sobering reminder of how much trouble we are in with the permanent leftist government mopping up and taking over complete control of the federal government.
Regarding the OP, this event is gasoline poured all around a powder keg set to go off.
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She can't be serious? Oh wait, it's Rashida Tlaib, she is.
Rashida Tlaib
@RashidaTlaib
It wasn't an accident. Policing in our country is inherently & intentionally racist.
Daunte Wright was met with aggression & violence. I am done with those who condone government funded murder.
No more policing, incarceration, and militarization. It can't be reformed.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/04/13/tko-dana-loesch-has-just-four-little-words-for-rashida-tlaib-calling-for-an-end-to-policing-and-theyre-painfully-perfect/
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I can get my Warlord title back!
=D [ar15]
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From the comments: "Defund the Capitol Police"
Excellent idea.
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For lack of any other discussion...https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/04/13/brooklyn-center-mayor-doesnt-believe-police-necessarily-need-a-weapon-every-time-they-make-a-traffic-stop/ (https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/04/13/brooklyn-center-mayor-doesnt-believe-police-necessarily-need-a-weapon-every-time-they-make-a-traffic-stop/)
Wait for the sound of the entire department leaving in 3...2...1
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For lack of any other discussion...https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/04/13/brooklyn-center-mayor-doesnt-believe-police-necessarily-need-a-weapon-every-time-they-make-a-traffic-stop/ (https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/04/13/brooklyn-center-mayor-doesnt-believe-police-necessarily-need-a-weapon-every-time-they-make-a-traffic-stop/)
Wait for the sound of the entire department leaving in 3...2...1
Oooh, they could change their uniforms to something like this too:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51114101123_fd1c15f865_w.jpg)
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For lack of any other discussion...https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/04/13/brooklyn-center-mayor-doesnt-believe-police-necessarily-need-a-weapon-every-time-they-make-a-traffic-stop/ (https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/04/13/brooklyn-center-mayor-doesnt-believe-police-necessarily-need-a-weapon-every-time-they-make-a-traffic-stop/)
Wait for the sound of the entire department leaving in 3...2...1
Just mount a belt fed machine gun on each police car doing traffic stops. Anyone causes any trouble or attempts to flee, the car gets hosed down. That way the officer doesn't need to have a weapon on him. This idea works just as well as that Mayor's idea, maybe better.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-mexico-police-officer-fatally-shot-in-the-head-during-routine-stop-in-february-video-shows
This was linked in that link above. Has video of a New Mexico officer getting shot then the shoot out killing the guy who did it.
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Cops don't need their own guns
https://nypost.com/2020/09/15/police-release-footage-of-fatal-shooting-of-tulsa-police-officer/
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She can't be serious? Oh wait, it's Rashida Tlaib, she is.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/04/13/tko-dana-loesch-has-just-four-little-words-for-rashida-tlaib-calling-for-an-end-to-policing-and-theyre-painfully-perfect/
I’m in support of this. Then we can start hanging thieves and woodchippering pedos without anybody to save them.
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On the lady officer who shot the driver in Minnesota, has anyone heard how much experience she had? I heard she had 20+ years as an officer, but I was curious how much patrol experience she had? (or how recent). I imagine some of those departments are short handed these days, but that may not be relevant in this case.
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On the lady officer who shot the driver in Minnesota, has anyone heard how much experience she had? I heard she had 20+ years as an officer, but I was curious how much patrol experience she had? (or how recent). I imagine some of those departments are short handed these days, but that may not be relevant in this case.
Quick Google Shows that she had 26 years at the same department. She was a FTO at the time of the traffic stop, previous president of the union, she and other officers received a Medal of Merit for their response in a house fire.
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There have been other incidents of officers grabbing the service pistol when they intended to use the Taser. The one in the California subway station a couple of years ago was the most highly publicized but there have been others. I thought after that California incident it had become S.O.P. for cops to always wear the Taser on the weak-hand side to avoid this type of incident, but I guess that department didn't get the memo.
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There have been other incidents of officers grabbing the service pistol when they intended to use the Taser. The one in the California subway station a couple of years ago was the most highly publicized but there have been others. I thought after that California incident it had become S.O.P. for cops to always wear the Taser on the weak-hand side to avoid this type of incident, but I guess that department didn't get the memo.
I heard an audio clip from the previous chief stating that Taser's were worn on the weak side.
Video of incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AP5maXmAwc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AP5maXmAwc) You can see the one officer has the taser to the weak side.
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FWIW: https://archive.fo/0BJsb
The lady cop is being charged with second degree manslaughter
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FWIW: https://archive.fo/0BJsb
The lady cop is being charged with second degree manslaughter
In the meantime, we don't even know this guy's name, but he's off the hook:
The U.S. Capitol Police officer who shot dead an Air Force veteran during the tumultuous events on Jan. 6 will not be charged, the Department of Justice (DOJ) announced Wednesday.
The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia and the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division decided jointly not to pursue charges against the officer.
The decision came after a “thorough investigation” into the shooting of Ashli Babbitt, a 35-year-old who joined others in storming the U.S. Capitol in Washington during a joint session of Congress in January. Babbitt was shot while trying to climb through a broken window into the Speaker’s Lobby, adjacent to the House chamber.
“Officials examined video footage posted on social media, statements from the officer involved and other officers and witnesses to the events, physical evidence from the scene of the shooting, and the results of an autopsy,” the DOJ said in a statement.
“Based on that investigation, officials determined that there is insufficient evidence to support a criminal prosecution.”
https://www.theepochtimes.com/no-charges-against-officer-who-shot-ashli-babbitt-doj_3776023.html
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In the meantime, we don't even know this guy's name, but he's off the hook:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/no-charges-against-officer-who-shot-ashli-babbitt-doj_3776023.html
No charges?? Time to riot!!
... oh wait, never mind.
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In the meantime, we don't even know this guy's name, but he's off the hook:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/no-charges-against-officer-who-shot-ashli-babbitt-doj_3776023.html
Heading to Target to get my big screen TV for justice. Think there will be a crowd?
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FWIW: https://archive.fo/0BJsb
The lady cop is being charged with second degree manslaughter
Here is the video.
I had to watch it several times as I never did hear the shot, saw a muzzle flash or recoil.
Maybe they edited the kill shot out? Doesn't seem like a gap is there though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVH6q0ul72A
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Currently live
Officer Charged, Demonstrations Continue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4TxRwLtUAg
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In the meantime, we don't even know this guy's name, but he's off the hook:
Weaponized autism FTW.
(https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/071/586/306/original/9cfb1f56fb8338ac.jpg)
The Chans abide.
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At this moment I think it's 50/50 whether Chauvin walks. His defense hasn't been as tight as say, George Zimmerman. But i'm also not following as close.
We might get looting even if he's convicted on Manslaughter, *just because*
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At this moment I think it's 50/50 whether Chauvin walks. His defense hasn't been as tight as say, George Zimmerman. But i'm also not following as close.
We might get looting even if he's convicted on Manslaughter, *just because*
Legal Insurrection has had some really good analysis.
https://legalinsurrection.com/author/law-of-self-defense/ (https://legalinsurrection.com/author/law-of-self-defense/)
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We might get looting even if he's convicted on Manslaughter, *just because*
I think we're going to get looting no matter the verdict even if 1st degree murder and the chair "just because"
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I think we're going to get looting no matter the verdict even if 1st degree murder and the chair "just because"
Yep. And either now or pretty quick, all the professional rioters and activists are in town.
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Yep. And either now or pretty quick, all the professional rioters and activists are in town.
Hearing ANTIFA is in town in force.
Also hearing them and BLM are not getting along so this could be a very interesting next week or month or whatever
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If it is a mistrial it will be looting for sure. but it will be mostly nonpeaceful.
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Hearing ANTIFA is in town in force.
Also hearing them and BLM are not getting along so this could be a very interesting next week or month or whatever
I'd like nothing more than to see the residents go Northfield MN vs the James-Younger gang on the lot of them.
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And to add to the mess
In several fateful seconds, video appears to show 13-year-old Adam Toledo toss gun, turn with empty hands raised before Chicago cop fires fatal shot (warning: graphic content)
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-police-adam-toledo-shooting-video-released-20210415-xn63playebasld36oulootdq6i-story.html#nt=pf-double%20chain~top-news-chain-1~flex%20feature~curated~toledo-video-thu-230p~XN63PLAYEBASLD36OULOOTDQ6I~1~1~1~4~art%20yes
Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot warns Chicagoans to brace themselves for footage of 13-year-old being shot by police
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/04/15/chicago-mayor-lori-lightfoot-warns-chicagoans-to-brace-themselves-for-footage-of-13-year-old-being-shot-by-police/
Hold on to your a** Fred
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And to add to the mess
In several fateful seconds, video appears to show 13-year-old Adam Toledo toss gun, turn with empty hands raised before Chicago cop fires fatal shot (warning: graphic content)
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-police-adam-toledo-shooting-video-released-20210415-xn63playebasld36oulootdq6i-story.html#nt=pf-double%20chain~top-news-chain-1~flex%20feature~curated~toledo-video-thu-230p~XN63PLAYEBASLD36OULOOTDQ6I~1~1~1~4~art%20yes
Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot warns Chicagoans to brace themselves for footage of 13-year-old being shot by police
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/04/15/chicago-mayor-lori-lightfoot-warns-chicagoans-to-brace-themselves-for-footage-of-13-year-old-being-shot-by-police/
Hold on to your a** Fred
There was an interview with the former Police Chief of Chicago, he pointed out that according to the time stamps in the video that the dropping of the gun and his turning happened in under 1 second before the officer fired.
2:30 am, police respond to "shots fired", have to chase two suspects one of whom has a gun in his hand, within literally a split second the cop had to make a choice as the suspect stops and turns around.
Good shoot in my book.
You don't get the benefit of the doubt if you are armed, running away from the cops down a dark alley at 2:30 in the morning after a "shots fired" police response.
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You don't get the benefit of the doubt if you are armed, running away from the cops down a dark alley at 2:30 in the morning after a "shots fired" police response.
Yeah, the Mayor and others are treating him like an innocent angel. He and his friend were involved in criminal activity involving firearms. You can also about see the smart ass "I'm getting away with it" expression on his face in the video.
"We" did not fail Adam Toledo (as said by Lightfoot). Adam Toledo's parents failed him, and Adam Toledo failed himself.
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Yeah, the Mayor and others are treating him like an innocent angel. He and his friend were involved in criminal activity involving firearms. You can also about see the smart ass "I'm getting away with it" expression on his face in the video.
"We" did not fail Adam Toledo (as said by Lightfoot). Adam Toledo's parents failed him, and Adam Toledo failed himself.
He would have been out of jail on a no cash bail bond within a day or two.
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I saw a meme this morning: "Use promo code "BLM" to receive a 100% discount at Nike."
I am sure it is at select locations only. :laugh:
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7 Ways The World Would Be Better Without Police
https://babylonbee.com/news/7-ways-the-world-would-be-better-without-police
I edited out comments so there is a little more at the link.
1. There would be more doughnuts available for the rest of us
2. Vigilante justice is way more fun
3. With speed limits not enforced, you can finally test the limits of your 2013 Honda Odyssey
4. There would be much more liberation of TVs from Walmart
5. Unlimited loitering outside 7-Eleven
6. You can yell in the library now
7. All problems in the black community will go away
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Maxine Waters is helping out. Trump never did anything even within 1000 miles of this regarding 06JAN, and they wanted him destroyed. This is A-OK I guess.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/04/18/so-we-impeach-her-now-right-maxine-waters-chauvin-comments-while-marching-in-brooklyn-center-sound-a-lot-like-inciting-violence-watch/
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Maxine Waters is helping out. Trump never did anything even within 1000 miles of this regarding 06JAN, and they wanted him destroyed. This is A-OK I guess.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/04/18/so-we-impeach-her-now-right-maxine-waters-chauvin-comments-while-marching-in-brooklyn-center-sound-a-lot-like-inciting-violence-watch/
There is no hypocrisy.
We are not a nation of law(s).
In actuality, we probably haven't been in our lifetimes.
Like Trump intimated, it's all just a show, a con, a grift.
Fake.
It's just more obvious now.
You can prosper by playing along with the lie.
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Burn
Loot
Murder
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https://www.twincities.com/2021/04/18/national-guard-security-team-target-of-drive-by-shooting-early-sunday/
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https://www.twincities.com/2021/04/18/national-guard-security-team-target-of-drive-by-shooting-early-sunday/
Man, if I was a Guardsman activated for that I would be seriously reconsidering my life choices. That is a no win situation, you just know mission command and the ROE is *expletive deleted*ed, and it's a law enforcement problem, not a military one. Outside of actual MP's I don't know many folks who joined the Army to be cops.
*expletive deleted*ck that mission.
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Man, if I was a Guardsman activated for that I would be seriously reconsidering my life choices. That is a no win situation, you just know mission command and the ROE is *expletive deleted*ed, and it's a law enforcement problem, not a military one. Outside of actual MP's I don't know many folks who joined the Army to be cops.
*expletive deleted*ck that mission.
Minnesota National Guard, Police Team Targeted In Drive-By Shooting Hours After Maxine Waters Incites BLM Protesters
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/get-more-confrontational-maxine-waters-crosses-state-lines-incite-blm-protesters
Republican Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene has announced that she will soon introduce a resolution to expel Democratic California Rep. Maxine Waters from Congress.
https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-introducing-resolution-expel-rep-maxine-waters-congress-1584532
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Republican Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene has announced that she will soon introduce a resolution to expel Democratic California Rep. Maxine Waters from Congress.
https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-introducing-resolution-expel-rep-maxine-waters-congress-1584532
Waters screaming racism and the MSM and dems backing her up in 10,9,8,7.......
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Waters screaming racism and the MSM and dems backing her up in 10,9,8,7.......
That..thing.. needs to go away.
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CBS News is already knocking on the doors of Chauvin jurors.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/04/19/are-you-trying-to-get-someone-killed-cbs-news-has-decided-that-the-public-should-know-where-one-of-derek-chauvin-trial-jurors-lives-video/
I'll tell you this: I have always though of jury duty as a civic duty, however if I am ever asked to be a juror on a high profile case like this one, I'm lying through my teeth to get out of it. Ben is not spending the rest of his life looking over his shoulder for someone trying to get "payback" for him voting "the wrong way".
The link has a comment mentioning that the jurors' info is public record. I do not know if that is true or not, but in this day and age, I would not be opposed to some type of enhanced juror identity protection.
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Pretty sure they asked the judge to sequester and protect the identities of the jurors and the judge rejected the request.
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What would be the penalties of refusing to participate as a juror in such a politically charged case where the safety and privacy of the jurors is not projected.
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There was also this:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/chauvin-defense-witness-former-home-vandalized-with-pigs-head-blood-smears
You can't even be a witness without fear for your life. Or in this case, because the witness hadn't lived at the address for several years, an innocent family being harmed or killed.
I also saw the former boss of the witness ( a cop) threw him under the PC bus.
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https://www.npr.org/2021/04/19/988685389/attorney-for-adam-toledos-family-adam-died-because-he-complied?utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_term=nprnews&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2S3Gf_llaEOaZqSLQHROn_EBNSBIKkEzYnRPMkJEIgw_Y4AEHj9jaJzIA
'Adam died because he complied' will be repeated to the civil jury over and over again to encourage a large civil verdict. It will rank right up there with 'if the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit'.
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They're setting the stage for flat out open warfare. I don't think they're going to like the results if they push it to that.
V. James
@GamerElefent
BLM Activist: “I support the looting of Dollar tree. I support the looting of Advanced auto parts. I support all that *expletive deleted*it... Because blk people could loot every store in this *expletive deleted*in’ country for 200 years and it would not even come close to what America owes us.”
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/04/19/activist-says-blacks-could-loot-every-store-in-the-country-for-200-years-and-it-wouldnt-pay-back-the-debt-owed/
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It's called innocent until proven guilty you booger eating moron
Another cable news legal analyst says it’s ‘a tell’ that Derek Chauvin’s attorneys are going on about ‘proof beyond a reasonable doubt’
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/04/19/another-cable-news-legal-analyst-says-its-a-tell-that-derek-chauvins-attorneys-are-going-on-about-proof-beyond-a-reasonable-doubt/
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Chauvin is on trial for 2nd degree murder, 3rd degree murder, and manslaughter? How does that work? Three charges for one crime?
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Chauvin is on trial for 2nd degree murder, 3rd degree murder, and manslaughter? How does that work? Three charges for one crime?
If he's found guilty of 3rd degree murder but not 2nd degree, that conviction will be overturned on appeal because whether he's guilty or not it doesn't fit the legal definition. I'm expecting a conviction for Murder 3 and a rather harsh sentence for that crime (perhaps due to some enhancement or another), and it all get's thrown out and he walks. I think that was the whole point of adding murder 3 to the list of charges, to give the jury what looks like a compromise.
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Chauvin is on trial for 2nd degree murder, 3rd degree murder, and manslaughter? How does that work? Three charges for one crime?
It's to give the jury a choice. If they don't think he's guilty of 2nd degree murder (which he certainly isn't, if you read the law), then they can consider third degree murder. If they don't think he's guilty of 3rd degree murder, they can still convict him of manslaughter.
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This would be interesting. Maxine Waters could get Chauvin off.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/04/19/judge-in-derek-chauvin-case-says-rep-maxine-waters-may-have-given-the-defense-something-on-appeal/
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I'll tell you this: I have always though of jury duty as a civic duty, however if I am ever asked to be a juror on a high profile case like this one, I'm lying through my teeth to get out of it. Ben is not spending the rest of his life looking over his shoulder for someone trying to get "payback" for him voting "the wrong way".
Then who takes your place? Will they be as fair and as committed to justice as you are? Will they be one of the collaborationist, commie pukes that buys into the anti-police narrative? Will they be a well-meaning American, but unlike you, can be duped or intimidated into voting the wrong way on the jury?
It's no picnic, I know, but we need people like you on our juries, especially for cases like this.
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It's to give the jury a choice. If they don't think he's guilty of 2nd degree murder (which he certainly isn't, if you read the law), then they can consider third degree murder. If they don't think he's guilty of 3rd degree murder, they can still convict him of manslaughter.
Each charge has a specific legal definition. It’s not like you can say, well, he has to be convicted of something, and 2nd degree murder doesn’t fit, and manslaughter doesn’t fit, so we’ll just go with 3rd degree murder.
It’s possible to be found guilty of any one of the 3 and not guilty of the other 2. The 2nd degree murder charge requires a conviction on the 3rd degree assault charge though. Because you don’t get to 2nd degree murder without an underlying felony in MN law. So if the assault charge is tossed (either because Chauvins conduct didn’t rise to that level, or is considered protected from charge because he was a cop), the 2nd degree murder charge has to go with it. 3rd degree murder in MN is basically “depraved heart” murder. Fire your gun into a crowd and kill someone at random kind of thing. It is not for conduct directed at a specific individual. Hence why it was originally stripped from the list of charges. Why the judge reinstated it is beyond me.
2nd degree manslaughter is probably the best bet for a conviction, but still pretty shaky. That relies on the defendant intentionally creating an unreasonable risk of death. In essence, this is the “but for” explanation of the prosecution. “But for Chauvin’s restraint of Floyd he would have survived.” The defense for this is basically “but for Floyd’s extreme fentanyl intoxication and cardiovascular disease, and delay in arrival of paramedics due to the hostile crowd, he would have survived Chauvin’s restraint.”
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I guess here is as good of place as any for this one. I see this "Seventh Generation" crap hawked all over Amazon. They are apparently super woke (and super overpriced). This is one of their statements on the trial and wokeness in general:
We continue to face deep racial inequity in our society as Derek Chauvin’s trial comes to a close for the murder of George Floyd. And as more Black & Brown lives continue to be lost at the hands of the police, including Daunte Wright, Adam Toledo and the countless unnamed. (1/4)
Adam Toledo is a "person of color" now.
https://twitchy.com/brads-313037/2021/04/20/this-company-works-harder-at-social-signaling-than-making-a-good-product/
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I guess here is as good of place as any for this one. I see this "Seventh Generation" crap hawked all over Amazon. They are apparently super woke (and super overpriced). This is one of their statements on the trial and wokeness in general:
Adam Toledo is a "person of color" now.
https://twitchy.com/brads-313037/2021/04/20/this-company-works-harder-at-social-signaling-than-making-a-good-product/
My wife likes that brand. She likes all of those "natural" cleaning products. We won't be supporting their wokeness anymore.
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Amazon needs to be rejected also.
That is going to be a hard one for me.
Rejecting woke corporations will leave us with fewer and fewer options if we were to actually implement it as a rule of thumb for purchases.
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Amazon needs to be rejected also.
That is going to be a hard one for me.
Rejecting woke corporations will leave us with fewer and fewer options if we were to actually implement it as a rule of thumb for purchases.
I have attempted to buy stuff from other sources besides Amazon. I am not 100% off of that site, but I have bought a number of things elsewhere recently that I might have defaulted to Amazon a couple years ago.
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I cancelled my Amazon Prime, but it is good through November. All I use it for now is streaming music.
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I cancelled my Amazon Prime, but it is good through November. All I use it for now is streaming music.
And their streaming music has just gone way downhill, IMO. If you don't pony up for "unlimited music", the Prime music just sucks. I am constantly losing songs off my playlists on Prime, to the point it has me thinking they do it on purpose to get everyone moved to Unlimited.
Instead, I have been going retro and moving my music back to devices and software that aren't connected to and controlled by a high tech tyrant, telling me which of the music that I've purchased that I'm allowed to listen to.
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Annnnddd.... They've reached a verdict. To be read within next 90 minutes.
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Which blows away my prediction of hung jury.
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Hold on to your ass Fred
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Full tank of gas: Check
Guns: Check
Ammo: Check
Hot Dogs: Check
Popcorn: Check
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‘Start killing all the white folks’: Ami Horowitz spoke with ‘protesters’ at the George Floyd memorial in Minneapolis and just WOW (watch)
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/04/20/start-killing-all-the-white-folks-ami-horowitz-spoke-with-protesters-at-the-george-floyd-memorial-in-minneapolis-and-just-wow-watch/
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Minnieappleless will burn tonight no matter the verdict, even if he was found guilty on every charge (not possible) and sentenced to death today they will still riot tonight.
As far as the morons calling for a new civil(race) war- I don't think they really understand the concept of "minority".
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‘Start killing all the white folks’: Ami Horowitz spoke with ‘protesters’ at the George Floyd memorial in Minneapolis and just WOW (watch)
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/04/20/start-killing-all-the-white-folks-ami-horowitz-spoke-with-protesters-at-the-george-floyd-memorial-in-minneapolis-and-just-wow-watch/
The guy is getting the responses he is asking for. He is more or less leading them into those answers. Beside, most of the people he was talking to would be doing any of the violence, just egging on others.
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Live stream feeds buffering out
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Sigh
But Democrats moved quickly to table the resolution in a 216 to 210 party-line vote and avoided taking a vote directly on whether to formally reprimand the longtime California congresswoman.
Democrats block McCarthy's motion to censure Maxine Waters for 'confrontational' remarks in Minnesota
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/maxine-waters-censure-resolution-mccarthy-get-confrontational-comment
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It's a shame that America is getting torn apart because of a drug addicted, felonious thug who was a genuine piece of *expletive deleted*it and a police officer with a record of abusing his badge.
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It's a high tech lynching.
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Guilty on all counts
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(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgflip.com%2F17iek1.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
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How is that even possible? Murder 3 and murder 2 had mutually exclusive elements. Abortion of justice.
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How is that even possible? Murder 3 and murder 2 had mutually exclusive elements. Abortion of justice.
Jury nullification in reverse.
The good news is that several politicians, especially Maxine Waters, have kindly provided Mr. Chauvin a handy basis for an appeal.
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Let the celebratory looting begin
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Minnieappleless will burn tonight no matter the verdict, even if he was found guilty on every charge (not possible) and sentenced to death today they will still riot tonight.
Remind me not to hire you as a legal analyst ...
Actually, in a sane world you would have been correct. Each charge has a very specific definition, and the three crimes described are mutually exclusive. Theoretically, it should indeed have been impossible to convict on all three charges. So, as has been stated, this verdict is nothing but a legalized lynching. The potential bright side is that, in addition to Maxine Waters having potentially tainted the jury with her inflammatory remarks, this seemingly impossible verdict should provide more substance for an appeal.
Speaking for myself only, I didn't like anything I read about Chauvin but, after reading the basis for each of the three charges, the only one I could have voted for would have been the manslaughter charge.
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He hasn't escaped prosecution by the feds yet. He could get life for that. (technically he could get the death penalty but that's almost impossible)
The appeal will be interesting. At least some of the charges will be overturned and then Minneapolis will burn again -- if there's anything left to burn.
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Remind me not to hire you as a legal analyst ...
Actually, in a sane world you would have been correct. Each charge has a very specific definition, and the three crimes described are mutually exclusive. Theoretically, it should indeed have been impossible to convict on all three charges. So, as has been stated, this verdict is nothing but a legalized lynching. The potential bright side is that, in addition to Maxine Waters having potentially tainted the jury with her inflammatory remarks, this seemingly impossible verdict should provide more substance for an appeal.
Speaking for myself only, I didn't like anything I read about Chauvin but, after reading the basis for each of the three charges, the only one I could have voted for would have been the manslaughter charge.
Were I on the jury I might well have supported the manslaughter charge. I was under the apparently mistaken assumption the the murder charges were an either/or kind of deal. I'll await analyses from the legal front for more edification.
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Lets see how long Maxine can keep big mouth shut. Bet she feels emboldened by the dems circling the wagons around her.
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Alex Moe
@AlexNBCNews
.@SpeakerPelosi speaking at presser with CBC: Thank you George Floyd for sacrificing your life for justice...Because of you and because of thousands, millions of people around the world who came out for justice, your name will always be synonymous for justice.
5:27 PM · Apr 20, 2021
https://twitter.com/AlexNBCNews/status/1384619869119918083?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1384619869119918083%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fbrettt-3136%2F2021%2F04%2F20%2Fspeaker-nancy-pelosi-thanks-george-floyd-for-sacrificing-his-life-for-justice%2F
:facepalm:
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I don't understand how you can get 3 different convictions for a variety of manslaughter/murder allegations, with a single death.
Hell, even stacking trespassing, littering, gun possession and other fluff on a homicide seems like prosecutorial misconduct to me. But I'm one of those damn anarchists.
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How is that even possible? Murder 3 and murder 2 had mutually exclusive elements. Abortion of justice.
I'm with you and everyone else who is wondering this. I can't agree with, but can see why the prosecution threw all three charges at him hoping the jury would pick one.
IANAL, but this does not seem like justice, no matter who it is. When it's something like "murder" + "use of a firearm in a murder", I again may not agree with the two charges, but can see why and how someone could be guilty of both of those. But 2nd degree, 3rd degree, and manslaughter? Make up your mind. There is something inherently unjust with this. Something I would expect in a third world kangaroo court. Again, IANAL, I'm just speaking from a layman's perspective of justice.
EDIT: AZ posted similar thoughts while I was typing.
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In a sane world this would be easy to overturn on appeal. And then there would be no way to get an unbiased jury for retrial. These dems want cities to burn and don't care.
This isn't a sane world so I'm wouldn't even put five bucks on anything related to this.
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Justice had nothing to do with it, it was all to appease the mob. it remains to be seen whether or not they were successful.
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The left can do whatever they want without consequences.
Apparently they are secure enough in their control of pretty much every institution that they are now going to go to the next level, as well as trash talk us and flaunt it in our faces.
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On to the next show trial
Tamika Palmer
@TamikaPalmer911
Today justice has been served but we are not fighting for justice for all of the victims and families for haven’t received theirs 💯
This isn’t over
#BreonnaTaylor #AhmaudArbery #AdamToledo #JacobBlake #DaunteWright #SeanMonterrosa
5:54 PM · Apr 20, 2021
‘Thank you God’: Breonna Taylor’s family reacts to Chauvin guilty verdict
https://www.wave3.com/2021/04/20/thank-you-god-breonna-taylors-mother-reacts-chauvin-guilty-verdict/
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The years 2020/2021 are how the USA shows everyone that we have fair and free elections and courts that apply real justice.
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I heard someone say the other day they should have shoved Floyd in the car and left him there until paramedics arrived. If he had died in the back of the squad car with no one touching him, we wouldn't be here. Just another OD.
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Truth be told, the jury found him guilty of everything out of self defense. Anything less than that, they risk the lives of themselves and family as well as their homes, jobs and any semblance of an ordinary life.
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Truth be told, the jury found him guilty of everything out of self defense. Anything less than that, they risk the lives of themselves and family as well as their homes, jobs and any semblance of an ordinary life.
Just came here to say this.
There's a very real chance that BLM would kill them if the verdict was not guilty.
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And he’s guilty on all counts. Won’t last long in prison I’d expect
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Just came here to say this.
There's a very real chance that BLM would kill them if the verdict was not guilty.
Hell, probably a better than even chance they'll kill 'em anyway.
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Justice had nothing to do with it, it was all to appease the mob. it remains to be seen whether or not they were successful.
WINNER !
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Meanwhile in Chicago
Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 171
Shot & Wounded: 769
Total Shot: 940
Total Homicides: 183
2021 Police-involved Shootings
Killed 3 Wounded 5
https://heyjackass.com/
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Truth be told, the jury found him guilty of everything out of self defense. Anything less than that, they risk the lives of themselves and family as well as their homes, jobs and any semblance of an ordinary life.
exactly
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Then who takes your place? Will they be as fair and as committed to justice as you are? Will they be one of the collaborationist, commie pukes that buys into the anti-police narrative? Will they be a well-meaning American, but unlike you, can be duped or intimidated into voting the wrong way on the jury?
It's no picnic, I know, but we need people like you on our juries, especially for cases like this.
I'm with Ben, no way I would get sucked into an politically charged case like this (or the upcoming one from Chicago).
The judicial process is too far gone that a couple honest folks participating will help. *expletive deleted*ck 'em. Stay far, far away. FWIW, I came to this conclusion back around Zimmerman's trial. Trials are just public spectacles for the mob now, and I'll not risk being caught in that circus.
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If a case with this level of notoriety came up locally and I got the misfortune of being summoned for jury duty I’d do everything possible to get eliminated from the jury pool. Thankfully being an engineer is usually enough on its own. But, bringing my copy of “Crime and Punishment” to read while waiting should seal the deal. Too bad I don’t have the Molon Labe hat anymore.
Not because I don’t want to do my civic duty. But because I don’t want to risk the lives and safety of my family over participating in such a circus.
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I think the odds of me getting picked for jury duty at all are pretty slim, but I can't say I would run away from it. I think I live in a place where the total event is unlikely at least right now. I guess a federal jury pool might still take me into Houston. Much more likely there if anywhere.
If I were on the jury pool, I would hope I would do the right thing as I saw it. I would not want to go through the rest of my life lamenting a bad decision or that I avoided doing what I thought was right because I was afraid. At least, that is what I say now with no kids to worry about. Never been faced with active threats like that myself.
Either way, engineer, gun owner, LTC license holder, etc. If they ask me a bunch of questions, I doubt I would get selected.
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I was called for jury duty right before the lockdown.
There haven't been any jury trials in the county since, last I checked.
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If I was called to be a juror in a high profile circus like this... I really don't know. If you asked me when I was younger and a little more idealistic, I'd have said it's my duty as a citizen to participate in the justice system as a juror and that justice needs to be served even in high profile cases.
But today, in a case like this? Yikes. I don't want to be looking over my back the rest of my life, however long that is. I'm somewhere between Ben's position and simply refusing to participate and eating the contempt of court charges for it.
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Feds opening an civil investigation on the MPD to honor George Floyd
Live press conference now, you can rewind it if need be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npoUWqMprGk
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Anyone want to bet the murder rate in the USA continues to spiral upwards, with police refusing to confront criminals?
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Now the live feed is Leahy going on about how racist America is
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WTF? The patent system is racist???
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Are we now suppose to issue patents based on race????
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I picked the wrong week to stop stiffing glue
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Anyone want to bet the murder rate in the USA continues to spiral upwards, with police refusing to confront criminals?
We're seriously heading into Mad Max (as in, the first Mad Max movie) territory on this stuff.
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Are we now suppose to issue patents based on race????
Yes. Yes of course.
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We're seriously heading into Mad Max (as in, the first Mad Max movie) territory on this stuff.
I think we're skipping the first and going straight into the second
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Dragging his now ex-wife into this
Who is Derek Chauvin’s beauty queen ex-wife Kellie and where is she now? | New York Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F80OqjDXcqg
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Dragging his now ex-wife into this
Who is Derek Chauvin’s beauty queen ex-wife Kellie and where is she now? | New York Post
https://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php#c1
She's hiding on APS?
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She's hiding on APS?
Peril of having multiple tabs open is that I will sometimes select the wrong one to copy and paste from. Fixed
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There's a very real chance that BLM would kill them if the verdict was not guilty.
https://babylonbee.com/news/jurors-read-their-final-will-before-giving-verdict
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/minneapolis-george-floyd-square-special-instructions-white-people
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ezg4zWJWUAIoI_X?format=jpg&name=large)
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Someone should attach a copy of his criminal record and the medical report on his death.
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Funny how the majority of text on the sign is dedicated to berating white people versus "honoring" Floyd.
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Someone should attach a copy of his criminal record and the medical report on his death.
That would be racist.
:P
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We're seriously heading into Mad Max (as in, the first Mad Max movie) territory on this stuff.
Especially when "Mad Max" is already out there telling people to be more "confrontational". :facepalm:
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/minneapolis-george-floyd-square-special-instructions-white-people
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ezg4zWJWUAIoI_X?format=jpg&name=large)
Cool. Why am I not surprised?
Since Floyd’s death, the area has been converted into an "autonomous zone" that’s brought record levels of violent crime and gun violence to the neighborhood.
Concrete barricades set up by Minneapolis last year to protect demonstrations from traffic now act as the barriers to an "autonomous zone" co-opted by armed individuals declaring law enforcement unwelcome, as gang activity, drug dealing and gun violence have disrupted local business operations.
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The judicial process is too far gone that a couple honest folks participating will help. *expletive deleted*ck 'em. Stay far, far away. FWIW, I came to this conclusion back around Zimmerman's trial. Trials are just public spectacles for the mob now, and I'll not risk being caught in that circus.
Don't jury decisions require unanimity to convict? Don't they need every juror to agree on a guilty verdict?
Granted, it's Joe Biden's un-America, so maybe they'll find some way around that. Still, until that happens, isn't a jury, so far, still a place where one person really can make a difference?
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If the rest of the jury says they know who you are and are going to come to your house and make sure you decide the "right way". What are you going to do?
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Don't jury decisions require unanimity to convict? Don't they need every juror to agree on a guilty verdict?
Granted, it's Joe Biden's un-America, so maybe they'll find some way around that. Still, until that happens, isn't a jury, so far, still a place where one person really can make a difference?
No. If the mob has decided to destroy someone in one of these media show trials a single juror can force a mistrial by throwing themselves on the pyre, but that is a difference without a distinction. You would sacrifice your happiness and ability to live peacefully (and perhaps even live) and the state will just try them again with a new set of suckers that have the correct script. On the off chance that you are an amazing orator, and talk the other 11 into joining you in martyrdom an acquittal in a trial like this just means that the "innocent" party can flee to some sparsely habited corner of the county and cower until one of the mob recognizes and attacks (or doxes) them.
Once the Twitter mob has decided that any particular case and trial is their meal du jour, justice as an outcome has left the building and the only sane thing to do is stay as far away as possible.
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Lou Raguse
@LouRaguse
I just had a fascinating sit-down interview with one of the alternate jurors in the Derek Chauvin trial.
Lisa Christensen was the juror who lived in Brooklyn Center. One night she could hardly make it home after testimony ended because of protesters blocking intersections.
Daniel Horowitz
@RMConservative
One juror: "I did not want to go through rioting and destruction again and I was concerned about people coming to my house if they were not happy with the verdict."
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/04/23/i-was-concerned-they-would-come-to-my-house-thread-covering-sit-down-interview-with-alternate-juror-in-chauvin-trial-incredibly-damning/
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^^^ Appeals court will overturn the verdict on that statement alone. Or, at least if rule of law is even given so much a pretend moment of being in effect.
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^^^ Appeals court will overturn the verdict on that statement alone. Or, at least if rule of law is even given so much a pretend moment of being in effect.
And if they do overturn it, people will be coming to her home for saying that. They might come to her home regardless for saying that.
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If the rest of the jury says they know who you are and are going to come to your house and make sure you decide the "right way". What are you going to do?
I know what I ought to do. So do you - the right thing, and damn the consequences. We know that's the correct answer. We're just trying to convince ourselves it's OK to fold. Not just here, but all over the country. It's disturbing.
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I'm not folding, I'm refusing to participate in a rigged game.
THAT'S the correct thing to do. Refuse to lend any sense of credibility to mob driven spectacles. Remember, we are talking specifically about a high profile racially charged trial "like this one". The mob has learned it's OK to eat dissenters, just don't participate.
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I'm not folding, I'm refusing to participate in a rigged game.
THAT'S the correct thing to do. Refuse to lend any sense of credibility to mob driven spectacles. Remember, we are talking specifically about a high profile racially charged trial "like this one". The mob has learned it's OK to eat dissenters, just don't participate.
Sad but true statement.
Time to stop pretending that there is any legitimacy in our institutions.
I'm not sure what that looks like in practice but opting out of the matrix of lies wherever possible is a good start.
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I'm not folding, I'm refusing to participate in a rigged game.
THAT'S the correct thing to do. Refuse to lend any sense of credibility to mob driven spectacles. Remember, we are talking specifically about a high profile racially charged trial "like this one". The mob has learned it's OK to eat dissenters, just don't participate.
Exactly the kind of rationalization I was talking about. This has nothing to do with whether or not we dignify the proceedings with our vaunted presence.
We complain it's a rigged, illegitimate proceedings, yet if handed the opportunity to veto the result with a single vote, we won't do it. This about having the chance to defend the rule of law in this country by a single vote.
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Exactly the kind of rationalization I was talking about. This has nothing to do with whether or not we dignify the proceedings with our vaunted presence.
We complain it's a rigged, illegitimate proceedings, yet if handed the opportunity to veto the result with a single vote, we won't do it. This about having the chance to defend the rule of law in this country by a single vote.
That's not how it works. A single vote doesn't veto *expletive deleted*it. It just causes a mistrial, the state runs it again and gets the verdict they were looking for, and you get doxxed, lose your job, and put your family in danger for......nothing. A single vote doesn't uphold the rule of law, it makes you a nail to be hammered down.
Are you under the impression that a single juror refusing to convict means an acquittal?
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Are you under the impression that a single juror refusing to convict means an acquittal?
Of course. When did that change?
And, yeah, a nail to be hammered down. I get my life destroyed. I'm just waiting for it to happen. It will come.
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No, if it's one juror out of 12 it's a hung jury.
If it's 11 out of 12 jurors it's a well-hung jury.
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No, if it's one juror out of 12 it's a hung jury.
If it's 11 out of 12 jurors it's a well-hung jury.
:rofl:
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Of course. When did that change?
As far as I know, that has NEVER been the case. As Warren mentioned in his dad joke, if the vote isn't unanimous for either acquittal or conviction, it's a hung jury, the judge declares a mistrial, and the State tries again with a new jury. Which is why I said that one vote doesn't really make a difference.
12 Angry Men would have been a lot shorter movie if Henry Fonda could have just voted not guilty and everyone went home.
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The other fun is when a juror ignores the judge's rules... Which sometimes seem to be contrived to ensure either conviction or acquittal...
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The other fun is when a juror ignores the judge's rules... Which sometimes seem to be contrived to ensure either conviction or acquittal...
Jurors are allowed to ignore the judge's rules. Our first chief justice of the USSC even said so. That IMHO is the main point of having juries, to be triers of the law as well as the facts in exceptional cases. But they need to go down that road carefully and not often.
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Looks like they're calling for more "severe" penalties than is the norm
Prosecutors are asking a judge to give Derek Chauvin a more severe penalty than state guidelines call for when he is sentenced in June for George Floyd's death, arguing in court documents filed Friday that Floyd was particularly vulnerable and that Chauvin abused his authority as a police officer.
Defense attorney Eric Nelson is opposing a tougher sentence, saying the state has failed to prove that those aggravating factors, among others, existed when Chauvin arrested Floyd on May 25.
https://www.wlky.com/article/derek-chauvin-george-floyd-higher-sentence-prosecutors/36306364
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Looks like they're calling for more "severe" penalties than is the norm
https://www.wlky.com/article/derek-chauvin-george-floyd-higher-sentence-prosecutors/36306364
How much more severe can they get? He's already going up for two different kinds of murder and manslaughter. If they wanted even more, they should have gone for different charges to begin with. If they are shooting for more than is stated as a maximum for the current charges and get it, I would be in favor of the whole thing being thrown out. That is not justice in the United States.
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Jurors are allowed to ignore the judge's rules. Our first chief justice of the USSC even said so. That IMHO is the main point of having juries, to be triers of the law as well as the facts in exceptional cases. But they need to go down that road carefully and not often.
The last time I was called for jury duty, unlike previous times, voir dire was conducted as a group rather than individually. We were under oath so, when we were asked if anyone might have trouble following a judge's instructions, I had to raise my hand. Much hilarity ensued.
First, they immediately sent all the other prospective jurors out of the room. Then BOTH attorneys ganged up on me and told me that jurors have to follow the judge's instructions. I told them I disagreed. Finally, they sequestered me in a small room while they found a judge, who then proceeded to tell me the same thing. I told her, as respectfully as I could, that I disagreed and that John Jay (the first Chief Justice) had disagreed. The judge told me that my understanding was incorrect. She dismissed me and told me to go home and do my homework.
So I did. I looked up the case (Brailsford v Georgia) and wrote the judge a letter to inform her that I had done as she instructed, found the case, and that I still believed I was correct. The judge never responded -- and I haven't been called for jury duty since. I think I'm black-listed.
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This is an interesting development:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/05/04/the-verdict-should-be-thrown-out-a-chauvin-juror-appears-to-have-lied-about-attending-a-george-floyd-protest-and-check-out-his-t-shirt/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/may/3/brandon-mitchell-derek-chauvin-juror-who-attended-/
Likely the most damning comment (If true - I can't find a direct quote):
The first Chauvin juror to speak out publicly also happens to be a BLM activist who lied to get on the jury and has admitted that he saw it as an opportunity to “spark social change.”
He claims that it was not a Floyd rally, but rather a civil rights rally. It's seems harder to explain away the shirt he was wearing though.
EDIT: This looks to verify that above quote:
https://thepostmillennial.com/chauvin-trial-juror-spark-some-change
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So, ballot box tainted, jury box tainted, soap box highly suppressed by big tech. They need to stop pushing.
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This is an interesting development:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/05/04/the-verdict-should-be-thrown-out-a-chauvin-juror-appears-to-have-lied-about-attending-a-george-floyd-protest-and-check-out-his-t-shirt/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/may/3/brandon-mitchell-derek-chauvin-juror-who-attended-/
Likely the most damning comment (If true - I can't find a direct quote):
He claims that it was not a Floyd rally, but rather a civil rights rally. It's seems harder to explain away the shirt he was wearing though.
EDIT: This looks to verify that above quote:
https://thepostmillennial.com/chauvin-trial-juror-spark-some-change
Oh, yeah -- Brandon Michell, juror number 52. He's the same one who complained about one juror who actually wanted to take the time to understand what the law said before convicting. Mitchell is the guy who said it should have been over in 20 minutes.
https://news.yahoo.com/first-juror-speak-chauvin-trial-145029791.html
“I felt like it should have been 20 minutes,” Mr Mitchell said about the four-hour deliberation. He said only one juror, whom he didn’t identify, was not certain that Chauvin was guilty.
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It might, unfortunately, take a few years or more but his conviction will be overturned eventually. Hopefully it doesn’t have to go all the way to SCOTUS, but it might. I see no way the 2 murder charges can stand up to appeal, even without some of the jury and judge misbehavior. With it the whole thing should be vacated and sent back for retrial.
Had they only convicted on manslaughter I’d be a lot more likely to assume Chauvin would be stuck serving his time.
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Had they only convicted on manslaughter I’d be a lot more likely to assume Chauvin would be stuck serving his time.
Yup,
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I'm one of the few here who thinks Chauvin ought to hang, but I didn't see all the evidence. But he's not guilty off all 3 charges; it's not possible. And with the jury misconduct and the jury intimidation by Rep Waters and others, the whole thing needs to be either overturned and Chauvin released, or a mistrial declared and they start over. (don't retry him, let the feds do that, 18 USC § 242)
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Nelson filed the motion on the grounds of juror misconduct, and that the court abused its discretion for failing to agree to the defense’s requests for a change of venue and sequestering the jury.
Derek Chauvin’s Attorney Files Motion For New Trial
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/05/04/derek-chauvins-attorney-files-motion-for-new-trial/
#news #justthefacts #realnews
Breaking News: Chauvin Defense filed motion for Retrial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENxM-W_T8gs
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There is a photo floating around the internets of one of the jurors wearing a BLM t-shirt prior to the start of the trial. That might be enough reason for a mistrial or retrial.
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There is a photo floating around the internets of one of the jurors wearing a BLM t-shirt prior to the start of the trial. That might be enough reason for a mistrial or retrial.
Go to reply 159 the photo is in the links
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Go to reply 159 the photo is in the links
Thanks. That's probably where I saw it the first time.
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I'm one of the few here who thinks Chauvin ought to hang, but I didn't see all the evidence. But he's not guilty off all 3 charges; it's not possible. And with the jury misconduct and the jury intimidation by Rep Waters and others, the whole thing needs to be either overturned and Chauvin released, or a mistrial declared and they start over. (don't retry him, let the feds do that, 18 USC § 242)
I am in the boat that says Floyd died of an OD. I think if they would have just stuffed him in the back of the car, he would have died anyway. I thought they said he had enough Fentanyl in his system to do the job.
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I am in the boat that says Floyd died of an OD. I think if they would have just stuffed him in the back of the car, he would have died anyway. I thought they said he had enough Fentanyl in his system to do the job.
Yeah, the tox results and the fact that Floyd was complaining about inability to breathe when he was sitting in the car - before he demanded to get on the ground - seem to indicate that he was in a bad way already. It isn't hard to believe that perhaps the position he was in or the pressure on him caused him to die slightly sooner, but I doubt it was the primary cause.
I believe the primary factor was the demonstrated overdose. It is possible that had he cooperated with police and notified them that he thought he was ODing that they could have naloxoned him right away and saved his life. When he decided to fight being put in the car and forced them to restrain him outside the vehicle until the ambulance could arrive, he probably aggravated the situation. The cops restraining him unaware of his narcotic-induced respiratory depression didn't help either. The crowd that surrounded the cops and started yelling at them forced the police to split attention and also probably made them dig in on their decisions. I know a bunch of angry people cursing at me and demanding me to do something isn't likely to inspire me to carefully consider the merit of their position.
I've heard from unreliable sources that Chauvin didn't allow the ambulance to respond as quickly as they could, but I don't know the details about that, or if there is any truth to it at all.
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He said he couldn’t breathe while in the car because ever since Eric Garner that is as standard as Miranda rights in these interactions. All BS
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The ambulance was delayed by the hostility of the crowd, not Chauvin, AFAIK. When the paramedics arrived they stuffed Floyd in the van and drove a few miles away before even trying to treat him because of the crowd.
Now, could Chauvin have done things differently to help de-escalate the crowd? Was his apparent lack of concern the cause of the hostility of the crowd? Had he played just a little to the cameras and made it look like he cared about Floyd surviving the encounter would anything have changed? Who knows, but while I don’t think Chauvin meant Floyd any harm, and was following the training on how to restrain someone in excited delirium, his lack of understanding how he was going to be perceived in the publication of the video, and how to use those cameras to his advantage rather than detriment was a huge part of the problem.
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I didn't know he had been moved to Az
Anyhow
He was stabbed
Derek Chauvin's fight to live after brutal prison stabbing: George Floyd's killer cop needed 'lifesaving measures' in medium-security jail - to which he had been transferred for his own safety
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12789687/derek-chauvin-tucson-arizona-stabbing-george-floyd.html
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I'm curious (or maybe not) about the jailhouse demographic that stabbed him. Also, I thought cops were segregated in prisons?
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. . . Also, I thought cops were segregated in prisons?
It wouldn't surprise me the least bit if he was moved at the behest of "the powers that be" in order to deliberately expose him to danger.
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I didn't know he had been moved to Az
Anyhow
He was stabbed
Derek Chauvin's fight to live after brutal prison stabbing: George Floyd's killer cop needed 'lifesaving measures' in medium-security jail - to which he had been transferred for his own safety
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12789687/derek-chauvin-tucson-arizona-stabbing-george-floyd.html
That prison in Tucson is one of the Feed prisons that sex offenders get sent to. They try to bunch them together so they aren't afraid to get treatment, at least that is the party line. One of the docs I worked with in Spokane, Craig Morgenstern, was sent there with multiple life sentences and many years tacked on for good measure. Also the Olympic Gymnastic Dr was sent there.
I wonder why they moved Chauvin there? Maybe too many threats in his old place.
bob
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Stabbed 22 times "in tribute to black lives matter".
https://www.foxnews.com/us/arizona-inmate-charged-attempted-murder-derek-chauvin-stabbing
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Heard the stabber was an fbi informant.
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Heard the stabber was an fbi informant.
Heard the same.
Also referring back to my post #176 above.
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Heard the stabber was an fbi informant.
Can the FBI get any more vile? ;/
They probably can, so I shouldn't speculate.