Armed Polite Society
Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on May 03, 2021, 01:21:45 PM
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Biden wants to use contractors to track "extremist chatter" by Americans online. Given their definition of "extremism", expect some new members to start signing up on APS I guess.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/05/03/but-you-know-trump-was-a-dictator-biden-admin-blasted-for-considering-the-tracking-of-extremist-chatter-by-americans-online/
The Department of Homeland Security is limited in how it can monitor citizens online without justification and is banned from activities like assuming false identities to gain access to private messaging apps used by extremist groups such as the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers.
Instead, federal authorities can only browse through unprotected information on social media sites like Twitter and Facebook and other open online platforms.
The plan being discussed inside DHS, according to multiple sources, would, in effect, allow the department to circumvent those limits. A source familiar with the effort said it is not about decrypting data but rather using outside entities who can legally access these private groups to gather large amounts of information that could help DHS identify key narratives as they emerge.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/03/politics/dhs-partner-private-firms-surveil-suspected-domestic-terrorists/index.html
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3VA9pZ_kY0
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I would imagine that the NSA or other Federal agencies have been monitoring keywords in this forum and other groups for a long time. I don't know about live people joining/listening/informing since that seems like quite an investment of FTEs to do that. I would further suspect that to get around any domestic restrictions, various Federal agencies would ask their counterparts in foreign countries to do the monitoring and report back. The 5/9/14 Eyes system.
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Perhaps Biden can use the same foreign intelligence services that Obama did.
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I would imagine that the NSA or other Federal agencies have been monitoring keywords in this forum and other groups for a long time. I don't know about live people joining/listening/informing since that seems like quite an investment of FTEs to do that. I would further suspect that to get around any domestic restrictions, various Federal agencies would ask their counterparts in foreign countries to do the monitoring and report back. The 5/9/14 Eyes system.
As the article mentions, it is theoretically illegal for the gov to set up false identities to participate in forums such as this without some documented cause and hoops to jump through. It certainly doesn't mean they haven't done it anyway.
Also, I doubt they'll need to hire contractors to start infiltrating groups they view as extremist. It's not like Biden is going to call up Tetratech or Battelle to bid out an infiltration contract. Biden's goons can "contract" with any of the left wing whacko organizations out there that have already been inflitrating as members of gun forums, patriot forums, etc. That way they get someone with the politics they want that are conducive to ratting out neighbors. Maybe antifa will put in a bid.
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Also, I doubt they'll need to hire contractors to start infiltrating groups they view as extremist. It's not like Biden is going to call up Tetratech or Battelle to bid out an infiltration contract. Biden's goons can "contract" with any of the left wing whacko organizations out there that have already been inflitrating as members of gun forums, patriot forums, etc. That way they get someone with the politics they want that are conducive to ratting out neighbors. Maybe antifa will put in a bid.
Plenty of SJWs who already gleefully do this for free
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Sounds like a job for Jack Dorsey or Mark Zuckerberg. Especially when you consider they are already doing much the same work on their respective platforms for the .gov.
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https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-relocates-20000-national-guard-troops-to-inner-cities-to-snipe-menthol-cigarettes-out-of-peoples-mouths
Biden Relocates 20,000 National Guard Troops To Inner Cities To Snipe Menthol Cigarettes Out Of People’s Mouths
Soldiers will also be trained in advanced take-down techniques to subdue any menthol offenders. BLM and the ACLU have applauded the move and have welcomed increased enforcement of their cities as long as it's not done by the local police.
https://babylonbee.com/news/hunter-biden-relieved-after-learning-dad-only-cracking-down-on-menthol
Hunter Biden Relieved After Learning His Dad Only Cracking Down On Menthol
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I thought the deep state had repurposed the Post Office for that task.
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Whoa!
The Department of Homeland Security is limited in how it can monitor citizens online without justification and is banned from activities like assuming false identities to gain access to private messaging apps used by extremist groups such as the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers.
So wishing to be faithful to an oath to support and defend the Constitution is now an "extremist" position? Has something about the Oath Keepers changed in recent years?
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Perhaps Biden can use the same foreign intelligence services that Obama did.
Or Hilary. There's a guy names Steele who might be looking for a gig.
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I thought the deep state had repurposed the Post Office for that task.
I think that was an internal realignment of priorities. It's much easier and more fun to sit in front of a computer all day watching porn surfing for terrorists than it is go actually go out and track down people who commit mail fraud.
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Don't forget weaponizing the IRS
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It seems the federal government is trying very hard to create the enemy they need to justify.... their upcoming actions?
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It seems the federal government is trying very hard to create the enemy they need to justify.... their upcoming actions?
Seems like they'd like to create another Waco. Which, while I was typing this I decided to remind myself of the circumstances and found this ATF link to the incident:
https://www.atf.gov/our-history/remembering-waco
It was 1992, so different laws may have applied, but the ATF's own list of what they raided for showed nothing illegal:
136 firearms, including assault rifles and handguns
700+ magazines for those firearms
200,000+ rounds of ammunition
110 upper and lower receivers for AR15/M16 rifles
Grenade-launcher attachments for AR15/M16 rifles
400+ empty M31 rifle grenades, along with black powder and other explosive chemicals
Any of the groups (e.g., Three Percenters, Oath Keepers) that are being labeled as "white supremacist extremists" might have that much stuff at a weekend get together.
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Seems like they'd like to create another Waco. Which, while I was typing this I decided to remind myself of the circumstances and found this ATF link to the incident:
https://www.atf.gov/our-history/remembering-waco
It was 1992, so different laws may have applied, but the ATF's own list of what they raided for showed nothing illegal:
136 firearms, including assault rifles and handguns
700+ magazines for those firearms
200,000+ rounds of ammunition
110 upper and lower receivers for AR15/M16 rifles
Grenade-launcher attachments for AR15/M16 rifles
400+ empty M31 rifle grenades, along with black powder and other explosive chemicals
Any of the groups (e.g., Three Percenters, Oath Keepers) that are being labeled as "white supremacist extremists" might have that much stuff at a weekend get together.
That is interesting. If anything, it really highlights that they were being careful to follow laws. If not, why would the M31's not be assembled? Why wouldn't they have improv grenades etc? It suggests they wanted capability without actually breaking the law.
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I never went to law school, but please explain this to me: If it's illegal for the federal government to spy on citizens, entrap them, or track them by questionable means, how would it be legal for them to hire somebody to do it?
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Any of the groups (e.g., Three Percenters, Oath Keepers) that are being labeled as "white supremacist extremists" might have that much stuff at a weekend get together.
That is interesting. If anything, it really highlights that they were being careful to follow laws. If not, why would the M31's not be assembled? Why wouldn't they have improv grenades etc? It suggests they wanted capability without actually breaking the law.
Don't forget that no outside agency/organization was ever allowed to see the weapons the ATF seized.
The long wall is against the mustache.
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I never went to law school, but please explain this to me: If it's illegal for the federal government to spy on citizens, entrap them, or track them by questionable means, how would it be legal for them to hire somebody to do it?
It probably makes freedom of information act requests more difficult.
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I never went to law school, but please explain this to me: If it's illegal for the federal government to spy on citizens, entrap them, or track them by questionable means, how would it be legal for them to hire somebody to do it?
Shut up, the government explained.