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Title: Softening steel
Post by: zahc on May 04, 2021, 07:20:56 PM
I want to turn the teeth of of a small (13tooth) bike track sprocket with a lathe.

I'm pretty sure they are hardened chrome moly. So they won't turn. Can I heat it up to a certain color and let it air-cool to anneal it? I don't have an oven, just a torch.
Title: Re: Softening steel
Post by: Boomhauer on May 04, 2021, 07:23:26 PM
Get a tempil stick for the temp you need to heat it to so you don’t overdo it
Title: Re: Softening steel
Post by: Jim147 on May 04, 2021, 07:31:22 PM
Get a tempil stick for the temp you need to heat it to so you don’t overdo it

Thats the right way but I just heat it up to just red and let it cool off.
Title: Re: Softening steel
Post by: BobR on May 04, 2021, 07:36:44 PM
If you do it just right the teeth will melt off and you won't need to turn them, follow me for more tips.

bob
Title: Re: Softening steel
Post by: bedlamite on May 04, 2021, 07:45:47 PM
Depending on the alloy, critical temp is going to be somewhere around 1200-1400F, heat it to that and let it cool slowly, preferably insulated and overnight.
Title: Re: Softening steel
Post by: griz on May 04, 2021, 07:48:39 PM
Just out pf curiosity, why do you want a toothless sprocket?
Title: Re: Softening steel
Post by: zahc on May 04, 2021, 07:58:23 PM
I just want the inside part that screws onto the hub. The teeth are 1/8 wide and I need them to be skinny to fit a skinny chain. So I plan to turn a regular sprocket down into a hub then silver braze a narrow 8 speed cog back on. Alternately I could turn the teeth down narrower instead. Or I could have one laser cut.
Title: Re: Softening steel
Post by: zxcvbob on May 04, 2021, 08:21:25 PM
What about using a grinder instead of a turning tool?  Just go slow.  You could still use the lathe to keep it concentric, although it might be easier to grind most of it off freehand.
Title: Re: Softening steel
Post by: griz on May 04, 2021, 09:05:29 PM
I just want the inside part that screws onto the hub. The teeth are 1/8 wide and I need them to be skinny to fit a skinny chain. So I plan to turn a regular sprocket down into a hub then silver braze a narrow 8 speed cog back on. Alternately I could turn the teeth down narrower instead. Or I could have one laser cut.

I kind of thought that would be the goal.  My only advice would be the same as Bob's, chuck it in the lathe and use a grinder to evenly take the teeth off.  That has the advantage of not having to take the temper out, but doesn't give you as much dimensional control.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Softening steel
Post by: HankB on May 04, 2021, 11:15:26 PM
Is the quench temperature the same as the annealing temperature? If so, can't you judge the temp is "about" right once the steel loses its magnetic properties?
Title: Re: Softening steel
Post by: Bogie on May 04, 2021, 11:20:43 PM
Lathe, put something over the ways to catch the debris, and grind with something held in your toolpost. Or, do you know anyone with a milling machine and a rotary table?
 
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