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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on May 05, 2021, 10:03:21 PM
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Black Hammer (never heard of them) have "liberated" (bought) 200 acres of land in Colorado for "colonized people only". They have rich soil (see photos)!
I predict cannibalism within two weeks.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/05/05/group-has-liberated-land-to-be-a-city-for-colonized-people-only-no-rent-no-kkkops-rona-or-colonizers-allowed/
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I predict cannibalism within two weeks.
In other words back to the old ways
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At 10k feet it's gonna get cold up in them thar mountains this winter.
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At 10k feet it's gonna get cold up in them thar mountains this winter.
https://twitter.com/toastfacekilla4/status/1389515692521758720/photo/1
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So, there are several ways this can play out...
They get tired, and go home.
There is a murder, and Teh Authoritays descend, and the story goes away.
They are successful.
I'm figuring #1... Because farming is hard.
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Rich soil? They're on crack.
200 acres, minus the lake and THREE rivers, doesn't leave a lot of space for building a "city."
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So, there are several ways this can play out...
They get tired, and go home.
There is a murder, and Teh Authoritays descend, and the story goes away.
They are successful.
I'm figuring #1... Because farming is hard racism.
FIFY
You can bet dollars to donuts they will blame racism
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Liberated land. OH boy, please don't tell them about property taxes, I want the taxman to go collect arrears. [popcorn] Rich land. Uh, yeah... 3 Rivers! Any westerners care to explain the goat fornication of water rights out there?
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Floodplain? I haven't looked.
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Well, I applaud their effort of actually purchasing land for their colony. Putting up your own buildings, planting a garden that is measured in acres (as compared to the several square feet shown in the photo) and figuring out how to survive the winter are character building exercises. I wish them well. They'll learn a lot, even if it's by consistent failures.
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Black is celebrating a victory this week as it’s reached $64,774 of its $500,000 GoFundMe goal — enough to purchase 200 acres of land in so-called “Colorado, USA” on which to build its colonizer-free city
Pro-tip: when you see a big acreage that's really cheap (especially in the mountain west), it would behoove you to ask why it's so cheap before you hit the buy button. There's a lot of weird rules about grazing rights, water rights, access rights (people get killed over the last two even in the current year, likely all three). You might have just bought a property you can't legally access without a helicopter, because the landowners between you and the dirt road can do what they want and don't want you traipsing across their property.
If they had 3 rivers on the property that property would be massively more expensive... and I don't know that there's a single place in Colorado that has three rivers in a 200 acre area. The west is dry. Not always Sahara dry like southern Arizona, but not an awful lot better. If it looks like rivers, it's a bunch of little washes that are temporarily swollen with snowmelt, and will be dry all summer. The lake is likely a livestock pond at best.
Liberated land. OH boy, please don't tell them about property taxes, I want the taxman to go collect arrears. [popcorn] Rich land. Uh, yeah... 3 Rivers! Any westerners care to explain the goat fornication of water rights out there?
All the memes about the simple, straightforward west go out the window when the insanity of water rights comes into it. I've dipped a toe in and it's terrifying.
On the plus side, it's almost certain that the property has no rivers at all, and the realtor is Mr Haney.
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I read a little more and found out they are Communist who apparently plan to fund their new city with crowd sourcing and as near as I can tell will use their hatred of Jews to keep warm this winter. Their doomed by their own stupidity. Reality will not be kind to them.
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All the memes about the simple, straightforward west go out the window when the insanity of water rights comes into it.
From friends in Colorado I've learned a little about that and I agree, they're in for some hard lessons. My understanding is at least in some areas, you don't even have the right to collect rainwater, the state "owns" it.
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My understanding is at least in some areas, you don't even have the right to collect rainwater, the state "owns" it.
As communists they should understand that concept
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So, they should really welcome a very large concertina razor wire fence to enclose it, right?
Are any of them named Donner?
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Machu Picchu II.
'Cept Macho Piccu was at 8,000 feet. Founded ca 1450, abandoned 1572 (122 years). Water rights did not exist back then in Peru.
Water rights in Colorado are so complex there's even a separate State Division for them: Colorado Division of Water Resources. I didn't check specifically, but I think there are at least four Water Courts, Judicial divisions with specialty lawyers and judges well-trained in water issues.
Not to mention Interstate water battles.
I'm somehow reminded of Ayn Rand's characters looking to Colorado for freedom, natural resources, industry. Or should I say "Commierado" nowadays?
Mr. Haney as the real estate agent... really funny. :rofl:
Terry
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Machu Picchu II.
'Cept Macho Piccu was at 8,000 feet. Founded ca 1450, abandoned 1572 (122 years). Water rights did not exist back then in Peru.
And a fair bit closer to the equator thus warmer with less seasonal variation with far more rain fall. Plus the Inca were experts at terrace farming.
Doubt these fools could grow a potato even with AOC's help.
IIRC MP was more of a royal estate than a city.
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If they film the next couple weeks they can probably sell it to Netflix as next year's "Tiger King". Make enough money for the survivors to buy a nice house in suburbia.
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If you pay "da man" for the land, have you liberated it?
Has anything been liberated at all? Except for the money from your wallet, which you've given to McWhitey Oppressor.
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Hopefully the fresh air and beautiful surroundings will do them good.
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Why do I suspect that it will be come a litter strewn wasteland in a matter of weeks... IF anyone ever actually lives there...
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^^ Actually that was kind of my first impression. That spot will be used for protest signs and photo ops, nobody will stay there full time.
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Where is this place? Or are they keeping it a secret?
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I saw that they originally wanted to "liberate" part of Florida, but it was too expensive. :laugh:
They are also an LLC. It was also amusing that many of the comments on their twitter feed (where they were talking about taking THEIR land back from the colonizers) were asking them if they consulted with the local native Americans.
Also, "200 acres with three rivers and a lake" would probably go for at least $2 million in the mountain West. It's the kind of land multi-millionaires and celebrities look for as a retreat. I'm guessing the "lake" is a small pond of snow melt. The "rivers" are probably also snow melt taking the path of least resistance down the mountain and are likely a few feet wide.
EDIT: Oh, I'll take part of the last back. One of the pictures shows someone standing next to an actual river. Maybe swollen with snow melt, but it looks like a real river. Now I echo 230RN and am curious where it is. I don't see them hiking in and out of the future site of their city.
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I saw that they originally wanted to "liberate" part of Florida, but it was too expensive. :laugh:
Darn capitalism
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So, there are several ways this can play out...
They get tired, and go home.
There is a murder, and Teh Authoritays descend, and the story goes away.
They are successful.
I'm figuring #1... Because farming is hard.
Nah. They will default on their loan before October. They will be "kicked off" by the evil, racist law enforcement. At least that will be their excuse. In reality, they will leave because they are cold, hungry, and no one is giving them money.
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I'm not sure they will run out of idiots to give them money. GoFundMe is remarkably efficient and separating fools from their money.
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If they wanted to get away from the colonizers, why didn't they buy some land in Africa?
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If they wanted to get away from the colonizers, why didn't they buy some land in Africa?
They could start a colony over there. ;)
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They could start a colony over there. ;)
:laugh:
My guess is that Black Hammer has never heard of it.
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They could start a colony over there. ;)
Most of the governments there would probably just shoot them without giving it a second thought
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Most of the governments there would probably just shoot them without giving it a second thought
This.
If you're not part of the local tribe, you're a foreign devil - regardless of skin color. Outside the major cities, they'd be regarded as "black white men."
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So did they buy it or are they squatting on USFS and Tribal land???
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So did they buy it or are they squatting on USFS and Tribal land???
I wonder that also. The term 'liberation' would indicate the latter.
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This.
If you're not part of the local tribe, you're a foreign devil - regardless of skin color. Outside the major cities, they'd be regarded as "black white men."
My African neighbors REALLY do not like my "African-American" neighbors.
"They don't work, and they make us look bad."
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I don't know where this is, but I do know Colorado. There are lots of streams here, but they dry up in the summer. As far as I know, there are only four real "rivers: - the Platte, the Arkansas, the Colorado, and the Rio Grande, all fed by the streams. And as said above, every drop of water in the state have been claimed, some of the rights going back to the 1870s, and many rights are out of state, AND the DoWR keeps a close watch on what's being used, via aircraft and satellite. Get caught pumping irrigation water out of a river or lake? They'd likely hang you from the nearest tree.
I'm figuring #1... Because farming is hard.
Yes, and it takes a lot of knowledge. It's a fools errand, especially at 10,000 feet. I've hunted elk over 10K, but I live at 4,700. Anybody from sea level will be violently ill until they get acclimated. Add to the fact that by March, there will be 10 to 15 FEET of snow above 10K feet, and sometimes it's August before it's all gone, to return in September.
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They need their own brand of beverage, every cool cult has one.
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My African neighbors REALLY do not like my "African-American" neighbors.
"They don't work, and they make us look bad."
One African immigrant I worked with some years back said he was "African". He didn't even want to be called anything else.
Hank Strange mentions it on his show sometimes. His wife has relatives back in Africa and he said they see African-Americans as those people they got rid of. Definitely not one big happy family as some people would like to think. That was one of the things I thought was off about the Black Panther movie.
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This.
If you're not part of the local tribe, you're a foreign devil - regardless of skin color. Outside the major cities, they'd be regarded as "black white men."
They will be okay as long as they have money. Once the money runs out, then yeah, what you said.
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They need their own brand of beverage, every cool cult has one.
Given the water situation they might end up with Bear Grylls' favorite libation.
One African immigrant I worked with some years back said he was "African". He didn't even want to be called black.
I've known black people who don't want to be called African-American because they wanted nothing to do with Africa.
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My African neighbors REALLY do not like my "African-American" neighbors.
"They don't work, and they make us look bad."
Once asked a Nigerian women I knew if she ever suffered any discrimination in America. She said yes, but not from whites but from the blacks here.
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Given the water situation they might end up with Bear Grylls' favorite libation.
I've known black people who don't want to be called African-American because they wanted nothing to do with Africa.
To be frank, it is just like everyone else. Some would have you think it is one "race", but in reality it is like assuming all "Asians" are the same.
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Where is Africa-America anyway?
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Anyone know where it is on the map?
Brad
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Anyone know where it is on the map?
West of the Ivory Coast, east of Sierra Leone, and south of the Republic of Guinea.
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Do the people of Liberia call themselves American-Africans? ???
bob
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Do the people of Liberia call themselves American-Africans? ???
African-American-Africans?
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Ben:
Now I echo 230RN and am curious where it is. I don't see them hiking in and out of the future site of their city.
Well, I was just wondering about the county and who the Sheriff might be.
I can see property like this being purchased from a tax sale for cheap.
So I know nothing about crowd funding. So I can post a plea for funding for development of my new single-blade helicopter rotor, right? With a winglet to eliminate tip vortex, right? With the winglet also angled inward to counteract the blade's centrifugal force, right? And people can pledge money to me, right?
So anyone can just make up a need and publish it?
Hmmmm....
I think I'll go visit a crowd funding site to see what's up. Or down.
Terry, whose favorite apostle was Thomas, 230RN
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African-American-Africans?
There was a radio show I listened to and the guest was trying very hard to be PC on a difficult subject. She was talking about Americans in Africa, and was trying to distinguish between whites (I think that was an approved term) and blacks that had come from the USA. I believe she said American African Americans. It's hard to follow the politically correct trail because eventually the meaning catches up to the words.
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I think I've mention my old next door neighbor... She was from South Africa, descendant of Boers and whiter than white.
When she first came to the US in her 20s she was filling out forms as African American (dual citizenship but grew up in South Africa) and apparently some people were getting quite testy with her because she was taking the designation literally and not recognizing it for the political theater it actually is.
It's also why I fill out some forms as Northern European American.
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I think I've mention my old next door neighbor... She was from South Africa, descendant of Boers and whiter than white.
When she first came to the US in her 20s she was filling out forms as African American (dual citizenship but grew up in South Africa) and apparently some people were getting quite testy with her because she was taking the designation literally and not recognizing it for the political theater it actually is.
It's also why I fill out some forms as Northern European American.
A friend of mine from years ago was born in South Africa. He was white, but tended to be a little bit darker in coloration. But you would never mistake him as Black.
He took great pleasure in making liberal pc types heads explode by filling out every form he could as African-American. When they would (inevitably) balk at his self identifying as such, he would play dumb and point out that he was born in Africa, and what did they mean he wasn't "African-American"? He was an American, born in Africa. How much more African-American could he be? By this point smoke would be practically pouring out of said liberal's ears as they tried to come up with a way of saying they meant "Black" without actually saying that's what they meant.
Eventually he would flat out ask, "Oh, do you mean 'Black'? Because that wasn't an option on your form".
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Is there any room on the form for Polish-French-Ukranian-German-American?
Maybe there should be one for Mongrel-American, n'est-ce pas?
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I think I've mention my old next door neighbor... She was from South Africa, descendant of Boers and whiter than white.
When she first came to the US in her 20s she was filling out forms as African American (dual citizenship but grew up in South Africa) and apparently some people were getting quite testy with her because she was taking the designation literally and not recognizing it for the political theater it actually is.
It's also why I fill out some forms as Northern European American.
When I was in college, there were several "whiter than white" students there with South African or Rhodesian origin or ancestry who filled out their forms as "African American" . . . I couldn't do that, but since I was born here I DID fill out my forms as Native American. This DID seem to make a difference when it came to financial aid. ;)
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Hammer City
Hammer City is Black Hammer Organization’s latest project!
Building a city for all people of color to be free (no discrimination of nationality, gender, age, mental/physical differences, etc)
Jobs, housing, food, healthcare
No cops, no rent, no Coronavirus, and no white people
Returning the land to Indigenous people
Building the first Hammer City in Colorado
and no white people
No more worrying about if you got enough money for groceries this month, about which friend is going to be murdered by the police next, or about when the landlord is gonna show up with the eviction notice!
All colonized people have been denied their homeland, and with Hammer City, the land will be governed by and returned to its Indigenous people, the Land Liberators.
After months of research, the Land Liberators chose a spot for the first Hammer City: the gorgeous and magnificent state of Colorado, USA!
Months of research :rofl:
https://blackhammer.org/hammercity/
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Looks like they haven't collected any crypto yet.
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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/Untitled-design-2(1).png)
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no discrimination...........and no white people
no Coronavirus
Bless their hearts. I don't know which belief is more childish: The idea that their discrimination isn't discrimination or the idea that if people donate enough money to them they are immune to Coronavirus.
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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/Untitled-design-2(1).png)
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They really think people are going to continue donating cash to them (in whatever form) so they can live in their
racist socialist utopia forever. I'd bet that the donations taper off in eight to ten months to the point that the place collapses. Repossession will follow. So will much hilarity.
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They really think people are going to continue donating cash to them (in whatever form) so they can live in their racist socialist utopia forever. I'd bet that the donations taper off in eight to ten months to the point that the place collapses. Repossession will follow. So will much hilarity.
Assuming anything at all is built, I predict it will become a trash dump before they fold.
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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/Untitled-design-2(1).png)
What's the permitting process for something like that? That see,s like a lot of paved over ground and not a lot of care to runoff.
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What's the permitting process for something like that? That see,s like a lot of paved over ground and not a lot of care to runoff.
I guarantee they know nothing about the permitting process and/or think because they own the land they can do whatever they want. They probably picked the wrong state for that.
I'm trying to figure out if they think they're going to live a life of ease on donations, so nobody has to ever work, and "donors" will pay the monthly Starlink bill and stuff, or if they think somehow a commune lifestyle will have everyone happily pitching in everywhere and never tiring of work. They have apparently never participated in a group project in college.
That website also says that they have a "constitution", but you have to download it, so I didn't. Maybe if I'm bored I'll start a VM and download it there just to see what they think a constitution is.
Anyway, I'd still love to see this place on a map to see how close to services and roads it is.
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We need to get arfcom, glocktalk, any other large group of deplorables to fund the crap out of this thing for 18 months. Secretly. Fund them beyond their wildest dreams. So much they call their buddies. LAte October or november pull the plug. Zero dollars. [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]
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If they are reallly at that altitude I think just to August would work.
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Send them care packages... Hershey bars?
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They better have lots of snow shovels.
And people willing and able to use them
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Yeah, picking that maze in feet of snow will be rough.
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Hammer City
and no white people
Months of research :rofl:
https://blackhammer.org/hammercity/
Reminds me of Arcosanti in Arizona. Started back in the 1960s or 1970s, and hasn't achieved self-sufficiency yet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcosanti
https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g31277-d126816-r120867368-Arcosanti-Mayer_Arizona.html
https://www.metropolismag.com/architecture/complicated-legacy-arcosanti-paolo-soleri/
It is easy to see where contemporary criticism of Arcosanti builds. Its current residents attest to the urgency of its vision, yet the master plan set out by Soleri is barely 5 percent complete; a grounds capable of housing some 5,000 residents has retained around 50 since day one, and whose labor is equally devoted to producing cast bells—Arcosanti’s primary source of income—as in new construction. The principle of “arcology” vehemently cites cars as the death of society, yet almost every resident has their own. Far from an independent community, they make the 70-mile schlep to Phoenix weekly to pick up food supplies, drop off cast bells in gift shops aplenty, sometimes grabbing a drink at a favorite bar.
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Self-contained communities are great....for other people.
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We need to get arfcom, glocktalk, any other large group of deplorables to fund the crap out of this thing for 18 months. Secretly. Fund them beyond their wildest dreams. So much they call their buddies. LAte October or november pull the plug. Zero dollars. [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]
I like that idea, the timing wouldn't even need to be exact. But much like any socialist government, I think those dollars are going to go to funding the leaders instead of infrastructure.
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We need to get arfcom, glocktalk, any other large group of deplorables to fund the crap out of this thing for 18 months. Secretly. Fund them beyond their wildest dreams. So much they call their buddies. LAte October or november pull the plug. Zero dollars. [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]
If such were to happen, or even if they just otherwise run out of money, I wouldn't be surprised if the likes of Google just tossed them $1 million out of their chump change account.
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Send them care packages... Hershey bars?
Sugar free gummi bears.
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How long is the growing season at 10k ft in CO? Two months?
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FL was too overrun with COVID :rofl:
The exciting news comes just weeks after our last rally of 2020, where we had successfully met our goal of $50,000 to purchase land for Hammer City. Secretary General Anco, one of the Liberators, explains that the move to Colorado was made primarily because the state of Florida, the old location that had been chosen, was simply too overrun with Covid-19. It had been decided that such an obstacle would be unwise to tackle right from the the start.
https://blackhammer.org/2021/01/22/press-release-land-liberators-announce-change-of-location-for-hammer-city/
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From left to right: Chiefs Coyotl, Anco, and Savvy. Comrade Tupac (not pictured) is also among the committee.
Three chiefs, one indian. Everybody wants to be the boss. :rofl:
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Any colonizer who wants to be on the right side of history can sign up for the Reparations Corps and submit to the leadership of the Colonized proletariat.
https://blackhammer.org/2021/03/10/clash-in-colorado-sds-crakkkas-pay-reparations-and-go-back-to-europe/
https://blackhammer.org/reparations/
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https://blackhammer.org/2021/03/10/clash-in-colorado-sds-crakkkas-pay-reparations-and-go-back-to-europe/
So SDS is a white-nationalist group?
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Holy moly, my brain hurt after reading the crackkkas press release.
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Send them care packages... Hershey bars?
Sugar free gummi bears.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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At 10k feet it's gonna get cold up in them thar mountains this winter.
It'll have nice summers, though. ...
Woody
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Tell the truth now, if all they needed was another 10 or 20 bucks to get over the top to purchase their utopia you would give it to them. I would just so I could get a front row seat at was is sure to be a dismal failure with much hilarity on the way there as they figure out all that stuff they normally buy in stores doesn't exist out on the middle of nowhere!
bob
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They're saying they'll build something like this: (concept art)
(https://i2.wp.com/blackhammer.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Untitled-design-2.png?w=1920&ssl=1)
IF they build anything - anything at all - I predict it will look more like this:
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Note there's a river in the image, one of several they say are on the land.
At this writing, their website says they've raised ~$67k. Make for a nice set of wheels for someone in the organization's leadership.
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It'll have nice summers, though. ...
Woody
All two weeks of them.
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They're saying they'll build something like this: (concept art)
(https://i2.wp.com/blackhammer.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Untitled-design-2.png?w=1920&ssl=1)
IF they build anything - anything at all - I predict it will look more like this:
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Note there's a river in the image, one of several they say are on the land.
At this writing, their website says they've raised ~$67k. Make for a nice set of wheels for someone in the organization's leadership.
Looking at the two pics, in the ideal version, where and how are they planning on running septic?
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Looking at the two pics, in the ideal version, where and how are they planning on running septic?
Raw sewage pipe running down into the valley..... :rofl:
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Their *expletive deleted*it don't stink
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Looking at the two pics, in the ideal version, where and how are they planning on running septic?
Each hovel would have it's own composting toilet for contributions to the community garden.
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Has anyone ever figured out where this supposed utopia is actually located?
Brad
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Each hovel would have it's own composting toilet for contributions to the community garden.
Most will still likely end up in the "rivers" if the residents make it that far with the bucket.
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They do have a draft of their Constitution, if you join their little group you can even have input.
https://blackhammer.org/hammercity/hammer-city-constitution/
https://blackhammer.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Constitution-of-Hammer-CIty.pdf
I tried a search of Turtle Island in Colorado and came up with this group.
https://sites.google.com/site/turtleislandecologycenter/about-us
From their website:
By focusing our restoration efforts on the soil we can insure that indigenous plant species will thrive which can then support the Bison once again. We are experimenting with Compost teas and extracts which are fungal dominant and broadcasting the teas into the fields and gardens in an attempt to reinstate fungal life in the soil and jumpstart the ecological succession towards the desired mid to tall grass species which need beneficial fungus to establish.
What is it about Colorado recently? Is it the pot, the people pot attracts or what..... I cannot believe how quickly parts of that state tipped over from a conservative, salt of the earth ranchers and cowboys to a new age pseudo hippies looking to right all of the perceived wrongs against the "people". It's the pot, isn't it? ??? =D
bob
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Most will still likely end up in the "rivers" if the residents make it that far with the bucket.
Bucket? Who said anything about a bucket?
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They do have a draft of their Constitution, if you join their little group you can even have input.
https://blackhammer.org/hammercity/hammer-city-constitution/
https://blackhammer.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Constitution-of-Hammer-CIty.pdf
They sure say "dictatorship" a lot in that there "constitution". I also noted they had a clause for the seizure of personal property. That's different. Most commies will get in your face explaining that "property" is not "personal property" when explaining property seizure for the people.
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Has anyone tried reporting these guys to Biden's new domestic DHS terrorism task force?
They're declaring sovereignty inside of the US. That's classic stuff they tend to send the ATF and FBI to shoot wives and burn children over.
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They do have a draft of their Constitution, if you join their little group you can even have input.
https://blackhammer.org/hammercity/hammer-city-constitution/
Took a quick peek. Turns out, it's just communism.
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Has anyone ever figured out where this supposed utopia is actually located?
Brad
Somewhere over the rainbow
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Most will still likely end up in the "rivers" if the residents make it that far with the bucket.
Buckets are for the elites.
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Derpety derp derp derp.
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In the same way that it's difficult to drive past a bad car wreck without looking, I read the entire constitution. They don't seem to use the conventional definitions for the words State, Nation, and Continent (unless they are literally claiming control over North America) so it's kind of hard to understand the structure. Basically they seem to be saying that capitalism is the evil tool that white people use to take over the world, and they're going to take over and do a better job. OK, we'll see how that goes. By the way, since BHO claims everything, money will no longer be needed, except for external transactions. I think that means that donations, apparently their sole source of income, is to be spent by the leaders. Hmmm, that sounds familiar.
They're supposed to ratify this on September 15th. I'm curious how they're going to deal with border security.
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In the same way that it's difficult to drive past a bad car wreck without looking, I read the entire constitution. They don't seem to use the conventional definitions for the words State, Nation, and Continent (unless they are literally claiming control over North America) so it's kind of hard to understand the structure. Basically they seem to be saying that capitalism is the evil tool that white people use to take over the world, and they're going to take over and do a better job. OK, we'll see how that goes. By the way, since BHO claims everything, money will no longer be needed, except for external transactions. I think that means that donations, apparently their sole source of income, is to be spent by the leaders. Hmmm, that sounds familiar.
They're supposed to ratify this on September 15th. I'm curious how they're going to deal with border security.
just in time for the first snow.
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They do have a draft of their Constitution, if you join their little group you can even have input.
https://blackhammer.org/hammercity/hammer-city-constitution/
https://blackhammer.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Constitution-of-Hammer-CIty.pdf
I tried a search of Turtle Island in Colorado and came up with this group.
https://sites.google.com/site/turtleislandecologycenter/about-us
From their website:
What is it about Colorado recently? Is it the pot, the people pot attracts or what..... I cannot believe how quickly parts of that state tipped over from a conservative, salt of the earth ranchers and cowboys to a new age pseudo hippies looking to right all of the perceived wrongs against the "people". It's the pot, isn't it? ??? =D
bob
Recently? I was in Colorado several times in the mid 80's and saw this coming.
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If they're smart, they'll set up a Woke Resort.
But they probably won't go there.
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Just noticed:
Black Hammer Organization
Barack Hussein Obama
I wonder if it's coincidental or not.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0eJGj-XsAgaDdg?format=jpg&name=medium)
Yea, rich soil my ass. I'm going to guess that is probably Entisols and Aridisols soils at that elevation and in the picture, low in organic matter and high in alkali. Too much water and it will salinate and become toxic for most plants.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0eJGj-XsAgaDdg?format=jpg&name=medium)
Yea, rich soil my ass. I'm going to guess that is probably Entisols and Aridisols soils at that elevation and in the picture, low in organic matter and high in alkali. Too much water and it will salinate and become toxic for most plants.
They're going to fix all that by loading it up with *expletive deleted*it fertilizer.
I wish we could figure out where this is located. They're talking about plains and grass and buffalo, but the photos I've seen show hilly/mountainous terrain with an arroyo, and the kind of rocky "soil" that's typical of mountain desert terrain. There's no way they're going to farm what I saw in those photos.
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Just noticed:
Black Hammer Organization
Barack Hussein Obama
I wonder if it's coincidental or not.
Well ... They're gonna need a president, aren't they?
Woody
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In the same way that it's difficult to drive past a bad car wreck without looking, I read the entire constitution. They don't seem to use the conventional definitions for the words State, Nation, and Continent (unless they are literally claiming control over North America) so it's kind of hard to understand the structure. Basically they seem to be saying that capitalism is the evil tool that white people use to take over the world, and they're going to take over and do a better job. OK, we'll see how that goes. By the way, since BHO claims everything, money will no longer be needed, except for external transactions. I think that means that donations, apparently their sole source of income, is to be spent by the leaders. Hmmm, that sounds familiar.
They're supposed to ratify this on September 15th. I'm curious how they're going to deal with border security.
That's not a constitution, it's a manifesto.
It's also incoherent.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0eJGj-XsAgaDdg?format=jpg&name=medium)
Yea, rich soil my ass. I'm going to guess that is probably Entisols and Aridisols soils at that elevation and in the picture, low in organic matter and high in alkali. Too much water and it will salinate and become toxic for most plants.
Cut grass might grow there. It grows on sand dunes near the ocean. And yes, it'll cut you.
Woody
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Biden will soon be announcing aid to small N. American country
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0eJGj-XsAgaDdg?format=jpg&name=medium)
Yea, rich soil my ass. I'm going to guess that is probably Entisols and Aridisols soils at that elevation and in the picture, low in organic matter and high in alkali. Too much water and it will salinate and become toxic for most plants.
To be fair, they just saw the trees and figured if a big tree will grow there than surely (don't call me surely) tomatoes and oranges and bananas will grow there.
One part of the natural area on my place is the Bram Silt Loam Alkali, and it looks similar to the photo. Albeit I'm over 7000 feet lower, but other than the conifers, it looks similar and I do get that "white layer" on parts of it from the salinity. Mountain desert is not easy.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0eJGj-XsAgaDdg?format=jpg&name=medium)
Yea, rich soil my ass. I'm going to guess that is probably Entisols and Aridisols soils at that elevation and in the picture, low in organic matter and high in alkali. Too much water and it will salinate and become toxic for most plants.
He's a city boy. Don't have a clue what he's looking at.
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Biden will soon be announcing aid to small oppressed N. American country
I actually wouldn't be surprised if one of the squad or somebody ended up funneling money to them.
Though they seem even too commie for AOC. When I read the "constitution" I got the distinct impression it was a manual for how the residents would provide labor and stuff to the ruling council of "chiefs".
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Is it too much to hope for that scratching out subsistence living in a hostile area will give them new appreciation for the value of hard work? And for the ones that do work, the value of that individual labor?
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Is it too much to hope for that scratching out subsistence living in a hostile area will give them new appreciation for the value of hard work? And for the ones that do work, the value of that individual labor?
Nowadays yes. I honestly think they're too far gone by this point. They only see things in terms of race and class warfare.
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That terrain looks a whole lot like the desert regions of Oregon and Washington. Unless they have a handy Bonneville Power Administration/US Corps of Engineers to bring enough water and power to make the desert bloom, good luck.
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Maybe they should have asked themselves why is this land so cheap and why does no one and hardly anything live there?
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When I read the "constitution" I got the distinct impression it was a manual for how the residents would provide labor and stuff to the ruling council of "chiefs".
"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again: but already it was impossible to say which was which."
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Leadville Colorado is at 10,000 ft. Pretty much grazing is about the best/only way to grow food, but you'll have to supplement with winter hay. 200 acres is probably enough pasture for 5 cattle at most without destroying the natural forage.
If they were really serious about building a utopia, they would be better off buying a few hundred acres in SE IA, W IL or NE MO. Plenty of water, Mollisol and Alfisol soils, enough cold days for a lot fruit tree production, long enough growing season for most vegetables. Yes a few hundred acres are going to cost $500,000k or more, but you could become 100% self sustaining in a few a years.
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Maybe they should have asked themselves why is this land so cheap and why does no one and hardly anything live there?
You know, if they would have allowed white people in, they could have found a Mother Earth News reading hippie to give them some decent advice.
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"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again: but already it was impossible to say which was which."
I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.
Winston Churchill
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Leadville Colorado is at 10,000 ft.
Is that where they are? Larry Ashcroft or somebody else in CO can jump in, but I have an old friend who built a house there after she got out of the service. I haven't talked to her in a while, but I got the impression that the Leadville area was attracting rich white liberals. I would expect land there to be pretty expensive. Her place has similar terrain to your photo.
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Nowadays yes. I honestly think they're too far gone by this point. They only see things in terms of race and class warfare.
Agreed. I mean, the constitution literally says:
Colonialism is responsible for ALL of the misery and contradictions we as Colonized people face.
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Is that where they are? Larry Ashcroft or somebody else in CO can jump in, but I have an old friend who built a house there after she got out of the service. I haven't talked to her in a while, but I got the impression the Leadville area was attracting rich white liberals. I would expect land there to be pretty expensive. Her place has similar terrain to your photo.
I was just giving a reference of what is 10k in Colorado. I hunted Elk in 2016 south of Leadville, and the CHOP area can't be there because land goes pretty high there because of the views of the mountains and proximity to towns of "size". A little google fu says that this land is in southern Colorado, so even more drier than Leadville area.
I'm guessing that it is in a pisshole part of Colorado.
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Judging by the lack of mountains in photo backgrounds, plus the abundance of level land off the in distance in some pics, I'm guessing somewhere in the front range foothills. Likely somewhere in the Walsenburg-Pueblo-Canon City triangle. Elevation pushes 10k there and the appearance is similar. It's nothing but desolate scrub. Everywhere else along the fronts is either military, national park, metro, or dissimilar in appearance.
Judging by their web page, they also seem to do some vestigial goodwill work in the Denver area so the proximity makes sense. I suppose it could be somewhere towards northwest Colorado. There's land there that would fit, but it's a bit far removed from anything you could call civilization.
They're also gonna have trouble if they dip anything more sophisticated than a canteen in their river. Wonder if they've gotten their first case of Giardia yet?
Brad
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Could be around Walsenburg, land there is cheap because it's worthless. Those trees are Cedars and Pinons, and they're likely at least 100 years old. They are there because nothing else will grow.
I'm in Pueblo, about 45 miles north of Walsenburg. Our annual precipitation is 12 inches per year, so I call BS on any "rivers".
Google "Drop City". It was a hippie commune in the 60s. near Trinidad. It didn't last either.
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Could be around Walsenburg, land there is cheap because it's worthless. Those trees are Cedars and Pinons, and they're likely at least 100 years old. They are there because nothing else will grow.
I'm in Pueblo, about 45 miles north of Walsenburg. Our annual precipitation is 12 inches per year, so I call BS on any "rivers".
Google "Drop City". It was a hippie commune in the 60s. near Trinidad. It didn't last either.
Do they still make the pamphlets in Pueblo, CO? I guess all that would be on the internet now.
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For less than $2.00 a square foot high tunnel green houses could provide quite a bit of food if they can get the soil amended and provide enough water.
Even unheated it could give them probably 6+ months of growing season, a little more for cold hardy stuff.
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I have a friend that lives at some elevation in Colorado, he woke up to snow and 41 degrees this morning. I think the hammer will drop on Hammer City before it drives the first nail. ;)
bob
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Nails are tools of the white oppressor patriarchy.
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For less than $2.00 a square foot high tunnel green houses could provide quite a bit of food if they can get the soil amended and provide enough water.
Even unheated it could give them probably 6+ months of growing season, a little more for cold hardy stuff.
The tonnage of organic material needed to build up enough soil to create a self sustaining growing medium for a large group of people is astronomical. Then they need water.
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Part of me thinks this is a scam to scam wealthy liberals out of money.
Or they really are this delusional
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Do they still make the pamphlets in Pueblo, CO? I guess all that would be on the internet now.
As far as I know the Government Printing Office is still operating. It's at the airport, about three miles from my house.
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The tonnage of organic material needed to build up enough soil to create a self sustaining growing medium for a large group of people is astronomical. Then they need water.
Might take a while but with enough time and enough poop it could be done if they can get the water. :rofl:
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Might take a while but with enough time and enough poop it could be done if they can get the water. :rofl:
Took.a few thousand years to form the mollisols out of entisols in Iowa.
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The tonnage of organic material needed to build up enough soil to create a self sustaining growing medium for a large group of people is astronomical. Then they need water.
Yep. There's a good reason places like this haven't been thickly settled in the last hundred years, despite people willing to farm areas without high speed internet for all that time and more. There's a good reason the Feds own a ton of the West and the states really don't care... because a lot of that land is practically worthless. Bad soil, little to no water... it's better that the Feds are on the hook to deal with forest fire issues than the states.
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Bad soil, little to no water.
It's not bad soil, just not the soil suited for growing crops. It's great for managed seasonal grazing.
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It's not bad soil, just not the soil suited for growing crops. It's great for managed seasonal grazing.
Okay-ish, but not great. At 150-200 acres per head, there are places much better suited for grazing. Rough, too. That kind of topography is hard on cattle.
Brad
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Turns out they where squatting on the land where they were staying. I wonder where all the money went. Some idiots got fleeced, most likely :rofl:.
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Where did you get that information?
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Well this is fun!
Black Hammer apparently burned copies of Anne Frank's diary and called her a colonizing "bleach demon."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/anne-frank-diary-burned-black-hammer-bleach-demon
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Where did you get that information?
Another forum. I can't get the picture to upload, but the information is from the San Miquel County Sheriff on Facebook.
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San Miguel County Sheriff
1tfSorpo7hnsooredo ·
Deputies responded Monday evening to a trespass report on a property south of Norwood where a group of 8-12 people from the “Black Hammer Organization” were camping prior to a property purchase that ultimately did not occur. When Deputies arrived, they advised the group of the trespass, and they left the area without incident. Deputies found some individuals were legally armed and posing no threat to public safety. There have been no reports that the group has since been seen in the area.
The Black Hammer Organization states on its website that it "is a revolutionary mass organization dedicated toward building a sustainable future for all colonized people worldwide."
https://www.facebook.com/sanmiguelcountysheriff
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https://www.facebook.com/sanmiguelcountysheriff
Thank you kindly.
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Sounds like maybe they put an offer in and then didn't qualify for a loan. Probably figured going into escrow meant that the property was already theirs. Just a guess and I'd be interested to see what the actual chain of events were.
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Thanks, Viking!
So, given that they were evicted from the land that they "liberated" from the "colonizers," does that mean that they've been returned to a state of colonized slavery?
Just asking...
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Thanks, Viking!
So, given that they were evicted from the land that they "liberated" from the "colonizers," does that mean that they've been returned to a state of colonized slavery?
Just asking...
Does that mean they'll be returning the money that was donated to purchase liberate "their" land?
Has there been any update on their web site or fecesbook page?
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Has there been any update on their web site of fecesbook page?
I looked at their website and there was zero mention of it. Just success stories on recent attacks against the colonizers.
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I looked at their website and there was zero mention of it. Just success stories on recent attacks against the colonizers.
Their new Minister of Truth
(https://kamelhawwash.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/img_0580.jpg)
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I looked at their website and there was zero mention of it. Just success stories on recent attacks against the colonizers.
Are the people successfully battling the colonizers doing so from their private yacht now?
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Well this is fun!
Black Hammer apparently burned copies of Anne Frank's diary and called her a colonizing "bleach demon."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/anne-frank-diary-burned-black-hammer-bleach-demon
Why does anti-Semitism always find its way in? A teenage Jewish girl who died in a concentration camp seems like a very poor target.
There are all sorts of people to get mad at when it comes to "colonizers". Why not get upset with Spaniards? Or Dutch? Are they all equally white? What about Arabs? They conquered a great portion of the old Roman empire.
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Why does anti-Semitism always find its way in? A teenage Jewish girl who died in a concentration camp seems like a very poor target.
There are all sorts of people to get mad at when it comes to "colonizers". Why not get upset with Spaniards? Or Dutch? Are they all equally white? What about Arabs? They conquered a great portion of the old Roman empire.
Also note that a large portion of this group is black, yet calling themselves "colonized indigenous people". Which just seems like more reason for them to move to Liberia and continue on there. They could get a lot more land for the money. Though they might find themselves oppressed by Liberians who won't put up with their *expletive deleted*it.
But what do you expect from a group that uses the terms "propaganda" and "dictatorship" in a positive way?
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"Why does anti-Semitism always find its way in?"
why? Because wokeness and tolerance, of course.
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What the heck are they even doing? :rofl:
This time lapse vid of them moving one wooden board around pretty much tells you why hammer city is never gonna get built on top of all the other obvious reasons
https://twitter.com/SuperBigWaves/status/1395930460967014402
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I ask about Frank, the Jewish girl whose diary captured some of the horrors of the Holocaust, toward the end of our conversation. Gazi describes her as an "Easy-Bake Oven little heifer." Gazi and Anco then spend several minutes viciously denouncing Frank for benefiting from white supremacy
And I learnt a new one "Bleach Demons"
The deranged racism of the Black Hammers, Amerikkka’s premier anti-colonial revolutionaries
https://freebeacon.com/culture/land-back/
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And I learn a new one "Bleach Demons"
The deranged racism of the Black Hammers, Amerikkka’s premier anti-colonial revolutionaries
https://freebeacon.com/culture/land-back/
Gazi and Anco then spend several minutes viciously denouncing Frank for benefiting from white supremacy. To them, she’s a symbol of all the energy devoted toward white victims while ignoring colonized suffering.
I must be having an off day -- I'm having a very difficult time understanding exactly how Anne Frank in any way benefited from her whiteness and [purported] supremacy. She was only 15 when she died in a concentration camp, and her family had been on the run or hiding out from the Nazis from the time she was 11 years old. It just doesn't seem to me that her "white privilege" helped her out very much.
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I must be having an off day -- I'm having a very difficult time understanding exactly how Anne Frank in any way benefited from her whiteness and [purported] supremacy. She was only 15 when she died in a concentration camp, and her family had been on the run or hiding out from the Nazis from the time she was 11 years old. It just doesn't seem to me that her "white privilege" helped her out very much.
That's because you haven't been brainwashed to see everything only in terms of race and class warfare.
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I must be having an off day -- I'm having a very difficult time understanding exactly how Anne Frank in any way benefited from her whiteness and [purported] supremacy. She was only 15 when she died in a concentration camp, and her family had been on the run or hiding out from the Nazis from the time she was 11 years old. It just doesn't seem to me that her "white privilege" helped her out very much.
RACIST BLEACH DEMON OPPRESSOR COLONIZER SCUM!
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But the Hammers are convinced they will be able to farm enough food and graze sizable herds to feed the commune on one acre (the rest, they say, will be preserved for nature). "White people are so stupid!" says Gazi when I put these doubts to him. "Colonized people can live anywhere on earth, sweetie."
:rofl:
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I must be having an off day -- I'm having a very difficult time understanding exactly how Anne Frank in any way benefited from her whiteness and [purported] supremacy. She was only 15 when she died in a concentration camp, and her family had been on the run or hiding out from the Nazis from the time she was 11 years old. It just doesn't seem to me that her "white privilege" helped her out very much.
+1,000
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I must be having an off day -- I'm having a very difficult time understanding exactly how Anne Frank in any way benefited from her whiteness and [purported] supremacy. She was only 15 when she died in a concentration camp, and her family had been on the run or hiding out from the Nazis from the time she was 11 years old. It just doesn't seem to me that her "white privilege" helped her out very much.
The biggest question to me is why they even care. Of all the "white" people to go on a rant about, why her?
Maybe that was the last (only?) book they were forced to read in school.
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The biggest question to me is why they even care. Of all the "white" people to go on a rant about, why her?
Maybe that was the last (only?) book they were forced to read in school.
A lot of black people hate Jews.
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A lot of black people hate Jews.
FIFY. Anti-semitism is hardly unique to blacks. Pretty much the whole of human history is rife with bigotry for the “others”.
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A lot of black people hate Jews.
But did someone bring her name up in particular? There are plenty of present day Jews they could have ranted about.
I agree that Antisemitism is hardly unique to darker skinned people. Just about any group that gets in the hate business ends up hating Jews also. Satan influences everyone equally.
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FIFY. Anti-semitism is hardly unique to blacks. Pretty much the whole of human history is rife with bigotry for the “others”.
Yes, but... blacks on average hate jews at much higher rate than white people.
https://reason.com/volokh/2019/12/11/anti-semitic-propensities-by-race-according-to-the-anti-defamation-league/
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But the Hammers are convinced they will be able to farm enough food and graze sizable herds to feed the commune on one acre (the rest, they say, will be preserved for nature). "White people are so stupid!" says Gazi when I put these doubts to him. "Colonized people can live anywhere on earth, sweetie."
:rofl:
Lots of rich soil in Antarctica
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But the Hammers are convinced they will be able to farm enough food and graze sizable herds to feed the commune on one acre (the rest, they say, will be preserved for nature). "White people are so stupid!" says Gazi when I put these doubts to him. "Colonized people can live anywhere on earth, sweetie."
:rofl:
Should we bring up Zimbabwe vs Rhodesia?
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Bringing this old thread back to the top to ask if anybody has heard how they fared over the growing season. I couldn't find anything recent on them so I assumed their utopia fizzled out but was hoping some locals may have heard.
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Bringing this old thread back to the top to ask if anybody has heard how they fared over the growing season. I couldn't find anything recent on them so I assumed their utopia fizzled out but was hoping some locals may have heard.
They got run off by the local sheriff for trespassing. Go back to reply #140
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Took a few thousand years to form the mollisols out of entisols in Iowa.
Slackers.
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They got run off by the local sheriff for trespassing. Go back to reply #140
Thanks. I'm not sure how I missed that but I did. I think in my memory they had bought the land, guess their plans were thwarted by reality.
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Thanks. I'm not sure how I missed that but I did. I think in my memory they had bought the land, guess their plans were thwarted by reality.
I have a recollection, don't know if it's accurate, that they had bought the land but failed to make payments on the mortgage past the first one or two.
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Does anyone else think "Bleach Demon" sounds like a band?
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I wonder what would happen if someone referred to a person of color as a Soot Satan?
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They have jumped the shark. I am not sure if Twitchy is on the case yet, but Black Hammer has allegedly teamed up with the Proud Boys to fight vaccine mandates.
Also "If you a mayosapien" you owe them reparations.
Check twitter for Black Hammer to read about the reality breaking derp.
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They have jumped the shark. I am not sure if Twitchy is on the case yet, but Black Hammer has allegedly teamed up with the Proud Boys to fight vaccine mandates.
But But The MSM has been saying the Proud Boys are a Trump run white supremacist group who attacked the Capital on Jan 6. How can this be??????????
From wiki
The Proud Boys is an American far-right, neo-fascist, and exclusively male organization that promotes and engages in political violence in the United States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys
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They have jumped the shark.
If true, I'm trying to figure out who jumped the shark - Black Hammer or Proud Boys.
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If true, I'm trying to figure out who jumped the shark - Black Hammer or Proud Boys.
Both groups glow.