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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Lennyjoe on May 11, 2021, 05:26:13 PM
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If anyone is interested in grabbing a piece
Of history, here’s your chance.
https://www.midwayusa.com/us-military-surplus-m1-carbines?fbclid=IwAR37dO-gZhpgSsG4aejb56pGiNlNc_rPocm3Re3U5irh4vDsi0So_4wBEhY
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I'm interested. Depends on price, of course.
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I'm interested. Depends on price, of course.
Ditto, GI M1 Carbine have been going for crazy $$$$ nowadays.
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They list some as coming soon in the rifle section as coming soon at about $1100. But those are new ones. My dad had a full auto version for a short time. Decided he didn't want to get in trouble in the '60's.
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They list some as coming soon in the rifle section as coming soon at about $1100. But those are new ones.
Reviews have not exactly inspired confidence in the quality of the new "Inlands". I think Inrange actually had the rear sight fall off
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I bought a NIB carbine from the NRA for $25.00 in the mid 60's.
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I bought a NIB carbine from the NRA for $25.00 in the mid 60's.
Want to make a quick $20? =D
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1965 $25 = $210 in 2021
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I put myself on the notification list so we’ll see what they end up going for
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I've always wanted an M 1 Carbine, so I signed up for one.
If the price is under $1,500, I may spring for one. But I suspect the price is going to be more than that.
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I sold mine for $200 in 1990. :facepalm:
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I remember going to gun shows in the early 1990s, seeing dealers with tables loaded with these, asking for $250. I wish I had picked one up then...
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I have a CMP M1 Carbine from when they were selling them about 10 years ago. I was going to shoot it this week actually. Mine is Underwood or Inland. I wouldn't mind picking up a different brand, but it all depends on the price. I kind of doubt I will. We will see.
I am also curious about the condition of the barrels and such if they were never refurbished. However, it they still have the sights and such from the earlier M1 Carbines, it might be worth it.
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Ammo is near $1 per round also. =(
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I got my M-1 carbine free. =D I inherited it from my father, who"liberated" it returning from Korea in 1952. :angel:
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https://www.classicfirearms.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=M1%20Carbine%20Rifle
Classic Firearms seems to have surplus refurbished M1 Carbines in stock. $1600 to $1800. Description says they were all refinished by James River Armory.
My CMP M1 was post war production. It would be neat to get a WWII production rifle, but I don't want to spend that much. I was toying with getting a RA XCR-L rifle and that is only a little more. I think I would rather get that.
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I'll just keep my CMP IBM, thanks.
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That's right at the cusp of where I am SERIOUSLY tempted.
Gotta think about this.
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I got my M-1 carbine free. =D I inherited it from my father, who"liberated" it returning from Korea in 1952. :angel:
My Dad kept his National Guard M1 and 1911 when he got out of the reserves. Wife #2 said they were "stolen" when they got divorced and I haven't seen either since then. :mad:
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I bought one when I was 18, sold it when I was 22. It was the least accurate rifle I every owned. I had a hard time getting anything smaller than a 10" group at 100 yards. I bought it to shoot coyotes after chasing them with a truck over beanfields. Never hit a coyote with it, shot at many.
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They're in
https://www.midwayusa.com/military-surplus-guns/br?cid=24008
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They're in
https://www.midwayusa.com/military-surplus-guns/br?cid=24008
Sales start Tuesday at 0800 CDT.
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Assuming that ad is from ~1960
$59.95 = $540.87 in 2021
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bavarianm1carbines.com%2F041965a.gif&f=1&nofb=1)
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Stop thinking about it. A sweet, sweet little shoulder arm. Just enough kick to be satisfying, but even a ten-year old girl can shoot it with pleasure.
Ammo can be had here and there, now and then, current shortage across the board notwithstanding.
I note only a few show the bayonet lug --be careful there, if I recall correctly, some jurisdictions consider that as making it an assault weapon.... been a long time since I dealt with that issue, but the bayonet sticks out such a short distance one has to question its usefulness. Check with your local Commissar / Politbureau / Sultan / Chieftain / High Priest or Priestess or other oppressor-type.
Also, I don't know if they come with magazines, or how that fits in with the C&R rules, but I was concerned with mag capacity. Maybe someone else can answer that one.
One that I had looked like the stock had been run over by a tank or other tracked vehicle and refurbished to serviceability. Uglier than sin, but shot like a demon. Must have had a few stories to tell.
Check under the baseplate for messages, IDs of former soldiers. (True of all milsurps, by the way.)
Most problems with them seem to be related to the magazines.
Another minor charm of it is that its action works the same as the M1 Garand Rifle for demonstration purposes. This is even more cool if the bolt has the flat top.
Terry, 230RN
Edited for housekeeping.
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Assuming that ad is from ~1960
$59.95 = $540.87 in 2021
So M1 carbine value has outpaced inflation by better than a factor of 2. Good to know.
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I'm surprised that nobody has copied the stock, and stuffed a 9mm action/barrel in there... That little stock is why I like 'em.
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I'm surprised that nobody has copied the stock, and stuffed a 9mm action/barrel in there... That little stock is why I like 'em.
You mean like this: https://www.chiappafirearms.com/product.php?id=202
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So M1 carbine value has outpaced inflation by better than a factor of 2. Good to know.
I usually use 1.035 (3.5%) as a long-term inflation rate (Google has it slightly higher) which makes it about $488 for 61 years.
Actual rate for those numbers ( $59.95 > $540.87, 61 years) is 1.0367 (3.67%) or so. I'm not sure where you get the "doubling or better."
Checking:
(1 plus decimalized inflation rate)number of periods X old value = new value
1.036761 X $59.95 = $540.29
Terry, 230RN
NOTE: The inflation rates Google and I use are not the government inflation rates, which are just plain stupid in the real world. The government's SIR (Stupid Inflation Rate) is now only about 2.6% per year. Using that stupidly low rate, that carbine should cost $287.00. So now I'm thinkin' that's maybe how Angel Eyes got those "better than twice" numbers after all.
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I was referring to the fact that the carbines listed on Midway's website start at $1200 each, which more than double WLJ's figure of $540.29.
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That is the main problem with M1 Carbines. The cost. A 1930's design from when it was cheaper to build than now. I am tempted to try to sell mine and get a WWII serial numbered rifle, but only a little tempted.
What I would love to see is someone make a new, lightweight, small rifle that shoots 30 carbine and is more reliable. I figure it would be more expensive than people were willing to pay. Another idea I heard was making a shrunk down M1 Garand rifle that used clips with 10 rounds of 223 (or 6.8 SPC). It would need to be designed to be nearly 100% CNC built and would likely still be more expensive than most would pay. A basic AR is just cheaper and easier to build even if it has to be modified for ban states.
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That is the main problem with M1 Carbines. The cost. A 1930's design from when it was cheaper to build than now. I am tempted to try to sell mine and get a WWII serial numbered rifle, but only a little tempted.
What I would love to see is someone make a new, lightweight, small rifle that shoots 30 carbine and is more reliable. I figure it would be more expensive than people were willing to pay. Another idea I heard was making a shrunk down M1 Garand rifle that used clips with 10 rounds of 223 (or 6.8 SPC). It would need to be designed to be nearly 100% CNC built and would likely still be more expensive than most would pay. A basic AR is just cheaper and easier to build even if it has to be modified for ban states.
Functionally that's an AR in .300 BLK. .30 Carbine is 110gr@ ~2000FPS and .300BLK (supersonic) is 125gr @~2200FPS. Other than nostalgia there's nothing a new manufactured rifle in .30 Carbine brings to the table that isn't covered by better, cheaper to make designs.
I'd like to grab one of those M1's for the nostalgia, but that's right on the edge of "worth it" money wise. I'd have to sell some other guns to justify that. IDK, I have a couple of days to think about it.
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I was referring to the fact that the carbines listed on Midway's website start at $1200 each, which more than double WLJ's figure of $540.29.
Ah, OK, I gotcha.
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I'd like to grab one of those M1's for the nostalgia, but that's right on the edge of "worth it" money wise. I'd have to sell some other guns to justify that. IDK, I have a couple of days to think about it.
You have to shoot a carbine to "get" it.
There are a bunch of photos from WWII, both theatres, where they are carrying carbines. I read where they were often preferred to the rifle. I believe Audie Murphy carried one for clearing buildings.
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Functionally that's an AR in .300 BLK. .30 Carbine is 110gr@ ~2000FPS and .300BLK (supersonic) is 125gr @~2200FPS. Other than nostalgia there's nothing a new manufactured rifle in .30 Carbine brings to the table that isn't covered by better, cheaper to make designs.
I'd like to grab one of those M1's for the nostalgia, but that's right on the edge of "worth it" money wise. I'd have to sell some other guns to justify that. IDK, I have a couple of days to think about it.
You are correct. I think that is another reason it wouldn't happen.
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You have to shoot a carbine to "get" it.
There are a bunch of photos from WWII, both theatres, where they are carrying carbines. I read where they were often preferred to the rifle. I believe Audie Murphy carried one for clearing buildings.
At that time, there weren't many guns that were its equal at that sort of range. More powerful than the submachine guns, but more capacity and lighter than the rifles. I think if the cartridge had used a rifle style bullet instead of a pistol style bullet, it might still be used a lot more today. Lasted in service a long time.
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You have to shoot a carbine to "get" it.
There are a bunch of photos from WWII, both theatres, where they are carrying carbines. I read where they were often preferred to the rifle. I believe Audie Murphy carried one for clearing buildings.
I've shot one. They're fun to shoot, and certainly historical, rifles. That's why I'm mulling this over, rather than just saying "too rich for my blood". I have a C&R in part because I like old, cool, not particularly practical firearms.
But it's still right on the edge of "worth it" for me. I could buy a nice K98 and something else for that much scratch, or a nice luger. (both of which are missing from my WWII collection) and I'd have to sell a newer and more practical firearm (or two) to fund it.
They are cool though. I'm still mulling it over.
*FWIW, I'd bet good money that if you fired up a TARDIS and offered Audie Murphy an M4 with an Aimpoint to clear buildings he'd jump on it. He used a M1 carbine because it was the best available at the time.
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With prices starting at around $1200 - presumably for the lowest grade rifles - and going up to over $2k for the good stuff, I'm going to pass on these.
I just don't think they're worth that much more than I paid for my service grade CMP Garands.
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With prices starting at around $1200 - presumably for the lowest grade rifles - and going up to over $2k for the good stuff, I'm going to pass on these.
I just don't think they're worth that much more than I paid for my service grade CMP Garands.
Inflation is an MFer.
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Inflation has nothing to do with the price of these guns.
Collectability and availability drives the prices.
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It's a joke, Gramps.
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The CMP still has Garands for sale in the $700 range. Inflation hasn't gone up a lot for everything. =)
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I bought one when I was 18, sold it when I was 22. It was the least accurate rifle I every owned. I had a hard time getting anything smaller than a 10" group at 100 yards. I bought it to shoot coyotes after chasing them with a truck over beanfields. Never hit a coyote with it, shot at many.
It was a replacement for the pistol. Pistol. Not meant for long ranges. Mine did better than 10MOA most of the time. I found mine were fairly wind-sensitive at "stretched" ranges. I did try reloading them with those 100 grain plinkers by (manufacturer) and found that was a waste of powder and primers.
I can't help but agree that Audie Murphy would prefer an M4. If he could get one. But one good feature of the Carbine nowadays is it isn't an EBR, and wouldn't threaten too many people into shivering hysteria. I bet most non-gun people would think it was just a .22 by looking at it.
Dogmush, what joke are you talking about?
K-Frame, I'll leave your remark about inflation having nothing to do with gun prices all alone. I'm just not sure what your underlying meaning was. All prices are a result of the "Ohm's law" of supply and demand, but in the context of 1945 dollars versus 2021 dollars, i.e., dollars with a low value compared to 1945's.
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It's a joke, Gramps.
For a few on this thread, I'd say yeah, it's a joke. For some? I think they're invested in the concept that it's outrageous that the current price of an M1 carbine has outstripped inflation...
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For a few on this thread, I'd say yeah, it's a joke. For some? I think they're invested in the concept that it's outrageous that the current price of an M1 carbine has outstripped inflation...
Obviously, the Consumer Price Index needs to include M1 Carbines, Garands, and other surplus firearms..
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Don't forget ammo.
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Midway will not ship M1 carbines to California, even though they're perfectly legal in that state:
"Dear Customer,
Thank you for signing up for information about the M1 Carbines. We are very sorry, but due to the onerous requirements for labelling, warnings and specialized safety devices the M1 Carbines will not be offered for sale in California.
We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience.
MidwayUSA Customer Service"
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Holy crap. Sale just started and most of the various options are already sold out.
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Holy crap. Sale just started and most of the various options are already sold out.
Probably find many of them listed on Gun Broker with a hefty markup.
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Probably find many of them on Gun Broker listed with a hefty markup.
No doubt.