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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on May 26, 2021, 10:34:46 AM
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I've always thought that this Marc Lamont Hill guy was a horse's ass, but his not well thought out question brings to light much of the current racism against white people.
What do I like about being white? I wouldn't know how to answer that. I don't even know what it means. If you were to ask me what I like about my German heritage, I might tell you bratwurst and Oktoberfest girls, or Christmas traditions.
I don't know that there is anything I like or dislike about being white, because it is much too ambiguous of a container. That people like Hill lump everyone who is colored white into a single container is somewhat telling to me. The interviewee here seems to answer as well as anyone can.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/05/26/christopher-rufo-expertly-fields-crt-proponent-marc-lamont-hills-what-do-you-like-about-being-white-question-video/
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Well, first and foremost, it pisses off people like Hill.
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Never gave it any thought. I am what I am. I didn't get a choice.
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Stupid pointless question asked only as an attempt to make someone feel uncomfortable about themselves
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I like how it reduces the chance that I will be killed at a traffic stop. :police:
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Tell you what I don't like about it...
I don't like that people assume I'm a racist because of my skin color.
I don't like people attributing my personal successes to my skin color.
I don't like people trying to shame me because of my skin color.
I don't like people judging me based on my skin color.
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I don't walk around thinking of myself as "white" or having "white heritage". If I were to think of who I am, my thoughts would go to family, faith, etc. I don't know what that really has to do with skin color beyond getting sunburned easily. If I were to think about my ancestors or race, my thoughts would go to German ancestry or Texas/Southern culture.
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I like being able to more easily get Vitamin D from the sun. Also the lactose tolerance.
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I like how it reduces the chance that I will be killed at a traffic stop. :police:
Oh yes, I'm sure it the outcome is mostly due to skin color and not behavior. It isn't the fact that you are polite and nonconfrontational during the stop that keeps you safe, it is your albedo.
It is interesting that Hill notes shared cultural norms as something he values about being black. Is he trying to claim that black people have generally shared cultural norms? I can say without hesitation that white people do not, and from my own observations there appear to be drastic differences in black cultural norms based on family history, region, religion, political affiliation, income, how recently their family immigrated - to name just a few factors. You know, the same kinds of things that might influence cultural norms among white people. It is almost like culture is not the same thing as skin color.
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Oh yes, I'm sure it the outcome is mostly due to skin color and not behavior. It isn't the fact that you are polite and nonconfrontational during the stop that keeps you safe, it is your albedo.
I am sure that Duante Wright, Philando Castile, Walter Scott, and Sam DuBose agree with you.
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It's not easy being white
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(https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/styles/max_650x650/public/2019-09/iotbw-1.jpg?itok=xbRqAFkK)
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Some people really hate being white
"Yes, all White people are racist in that all White people have been conditioned in a society where one's racial identity determines life experiences/outcomes and Whiteness is the norm and the default. That includes me!" read an all-caps Instagram post from Slater, who serves as assistant dean of student affairs.
She added in Saturday's post that while she doesn't "hate White people," she does hate "Whiteness."
https://www.foxnews.com/us/brandeis-kate-slater-white-people-racist-whiteness
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I am sure that Duante Wright, Philando Castile, Walter Scott, and Sam DuBose agree with you.
Aside from Philando Castile, none of those men were being polite and nonconfrontational - they were either actively fighting or attempting to escape arrest. Right or wrong, plenty of white people get killed when they do the same kind of thing. Dylan Noble, Andrew Thomas, Michael Parker, Loren Simpson, James Boyd, Jonathan Ayers, for instance.
No one doubts that there are questionable police shootings. Some possibly legitimate but with bad optics, some "lawful but awful", some entirely negligent, some with every appearance of being criminal behavior by the police involved. But instead of addressing the real issues questionable shootings raise of police training, officer selection, abuse of power, how everyone should behave when guns are involved in a stressful situation, etc., you ignore all details except the color of the decedents skin and instead offer only the simplistic presumption that when a black person is wrongly killed by police it must be because racism.
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Some people really hate being white
https://www.foxnews.com/us/brandeis-kate-slater-white-people-racist-whiteness
Given her position, her whole career is tied up in that mess.
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Aside from Philando Castile, none of those men were being polite and nonconfrontational - they were either actively fighting or attempting to escape arrest. Right or wrong, plenty of white people get killed when they do the same kind of thing. Dylan Noble, Andrew Thomas, Michael Parker, Loren Simpson, James Boyd, Jonathan Ayers, for instance.
No one doubts that there are questionable police shootings. Some possibly legitimate but with bad optics, some "lawful but awful", some entirely negligent, some with every appearance of being criminal behavior by the police involved. But instead of addressing the real issues questionable shootings raise of police training, officer selection, abuse of power, how everyone should behave when guns are involved in a stressful situation, etc., you ignore all details except the color of the decedents skin and instead offer only the simplistic presumption that when a black person is wrongly killed by police it must be because racism.
Suffice it to say that I disagree with your conclusion but clearly your mind is made up.
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I like how it reduces the chance that I will be killed at a traffic stop. :police:
Is this based on data, anecdote, opinion?
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^^^There is ample data available on racial disparities on traffic stops and disproportionate response by police at traffic stops and other interactions. In addition, from the anecdotal point of view, I have been interested to hear my Black work colleagues and social friends talk about this in recent years. The majority of our Black work and social circle are like my wife and I: educated, work in a professional job and are affluent. As such, I would think that interactions with the police would be low on their list of concerns. This is not necessarily the case, especially in regards to their children who borrow the Audi for a Friday night date. I have heard many stories about 'driving while black' and negative experience with the police. It has been an eye-opener for me because I have not been exposed to those same experiences.
Is there racism within the 18,000 police forces in the USA? No doubt. Is there racism in the healthcare system, which I do have experience with, absolutely. How structural it is, and how entrenched it is, and what we can and should be doing about it is the question. And to that, I don't have a lot of answers. But I like to listen to a variety of viewpoints, educate myself about the issue, and think about what I can and should be doing about it. I don't appreciate being thought of as racist simply because I am an older white male, but I can see how some people, due to their experiences or other knowledge, come to that conclusion.
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I like that money is constantly falling from the sky into my pockets, and that I always get great parking.
Restaurants never mess up my order, nothing I own ever needs repairs, my lawn mows itself, and all my votes count double.
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^^^There is ample data available on racial disparities on traffic stops and disproportionate response by police at traffic stops and other interactions.
Can you be more specific, especially in regards to unjustified killings due to race? What sources would I look to?
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^^^You would get more results using search terms such as 'racial disparities in police use of force' or similar in Google Scholar.
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Police do not kill black people disproportionately (whether justified or not).
Police are more likely to use "force" in an arrest of black people.
https://davis-center.williams.edu/files/2020/06/Police-Encounters-Race.pdf
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^^^You would get more results using search terms such as 'racial disparities in police use of force' or similar in Google Scholar.
I didn't ask for advice on how a search engine works. I asked why you, specifically, believe what you claimed. FWIW, it contradicts what I've heard from other sources. The ones that come to mind are Heather Mac Donald and Coleman Hughes.
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Police do not kill black people disproportionately (whether justified or not).
Police are more likely to use "force" in an arrest of black people.
https://davis-center.williams.edu/files/2020/06/Police-Encounters-Race.pdf
Didn't make it past the second paragraph in the study:
Michael Brown, unarmed, was shot twelve times by a police officer in
Ferguson, Missouri, after Brown fit the description of a robbery suspect of a nearby store
They can't even be honest about the fact that Brown was shot after he attempted to do serious bodily injury to a cop.
Perhaps black suspects are more likely to resist arrest, necessitating the use of force.
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Friend of mine that’s black has reported zero issues with police. And it’s not like he’s an angel behind the wheel. He also has a CCW and carries frequently.
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I like being able to more easily get Vitamin D from the sun. Also the lactose tolerance.
Racist
‘Point blank period!’ Pale TikToker with black lipstick explains that tanning ‘is literally blackface’ (and don’t even try to change her mind) [video]
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/05/10/point-blank-period-pale-tiktoker-with-black-lipstick-explains-that-tanning-is-literally-blackface-and-dont-even-try-to-change-her-mind-video/
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Who are these "white(s)" he is speaking about?
All Caucasians?
Do all Caucasians across the world have the same experience based solely on the color of their skin?
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Who are these "white(s)" he is speaking about?
All Caucasians?
Do all Caucasians across the world have the same experience based solely on the color of their skin?
She doesn't know. She thinks she is defined by her skin color so she assumes everyone else is.
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Michael Brown, unarmed, was shot twelve times by a police officer in
Ferguson, Missouri, after Brown fit the description of a robbery suspect of a nearby store
They can't even be honest about the fact that Brown was shot after he attempted to do serious bodily injury to a cop.
Perhaps black suspects are more likely to resist arrest, necessitating the use of force.
Don't forget the video from the store that showed Brown "strong-arming" the smaller Asian owner and shoving him aside so he could leave with his pilfered smokes.
AND, if he had just gotten his butt out of the middle of the road and back on the sidewalk like the cop asked him to do, he just might have lived through the night.
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Who are these "white(s)" he is speaking about?
All Caucasians?
Do all Caucasians across the world have the same experience based solely on the color of their skin?
But enough about the Tsarnaev brothers...
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/07/sunday-review/has-caucasian-lost-its-meaning.html
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Caucasian is a perfectly good term. Race is defined by skull shape, not skin color. Caucasians may have dark skin or light skin- it does not matter. There are many different groups of Caucasians from a huge variety of different cultures. North Africans (including Egyptians), Europeans, Arabs, Persians, Turks, Indians- all are primarily Caucasian. The term "White" excludes darker skinned people who are still grouped in the same race anatomically, making it a less useful term.
Nowdays, the it is PC for anthropologists to say race is a myth.
Yeah well, a scientist can look a skeleton or DNA profile and determine race accurately... because it actually exists in a biological sense. A race is a type of extended family of human beings.
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^^^There is ample data available on racial disparities on traffic stops and disproportionate response by police at traffic stops and other interactions.
The first official source of traffic stop data I found this morning was for North Carolina.
https://trafficstops.ncsbi.gov/Default.aspx?pageid=2
I grabbed the most recent year's worth of data and looked at it a bit.
Blacks make up about 27% of the population of North Carolina, and account for 36.2% of traffic stops, so definitely overrepresented.
By the same token, males make up 49% of the population and 62.6% of the traffic stops. Would you likewise, then, argue that this is clear evidence of systemic bias against males?
For that matter, 54.7% of female traffic stops resulted in a citation or arrest and 58.1% of male traffic stops ended in citation or arrest.
By comparison, 54.1% of stops involving black drivers resulted in a citation or arrest and 56.2% of stops of white drivers ended in citation or arrest.
They didn't break out their use of force by race.
If the only reason for statistical disparity is bias, it would appear that there is at least as strong a bias against men than against blacks. If we were to compare prison statistics, we'd find that men are imprisoned at a rate a full order of magnitude greater than women. Hard to be more clear cut than that, isn't it?
Now, some people might go so far as to argue that there could be more than one single factor driving that disparity. As I am not black, I could never suggest that in the United States black people as a demographic commit a disproportionate number of crimes, which could drive a greater number of police interactions both legitimately and because of that fact's influence on prejudice. However as a man I am in a position to admit that being male is - bar none - the most significant demographic indicator of serious criminality, and have to realize that men are more likely to commit traffic offenses, more likely to commit more serious offenses, and more likely to be manifesting other criminal behavior as well.
In addition, from the anecdotal point of view, I have been interested to hear my Black work colleagues and social friends talk about this in recent years. The majority of our Black work and social circle are like my wife and I: educated, work in a professional job and are affluent. As such, I would think that interactions with the police would be low on their list of concerns. This is not necessarily the case, especially in regards to their children who borrow the Audi for a Friday night date.
With respect, being concerned about something is not the same thing as that thing being worthy of concern. Today there is certainly a disproportionate amount of media coverage for police abuse of blacks which I would think would drive concern in much the same way that media hysteria drives overblown concern about other things. Which is not to say that their concern is totally based in hysteria, but I do believe it plays into it. A cop friend once pulled in behind the vehicle of a neighbor of mine that was parked on the street late at night. The driver was a beautiful young black woman who regularly came over to my house with her niece to play with my kids. As soon as he approached her car this lady started screaming at him that she hadn't done anything wrong and calling him a racist and so forth. He explained that he saw someone hunched over their steering wheel and had simply stopped to check to make sure everything was okay, and that given that it was well past midnight and dark, he had no idea what her race was prior to approaching the vehicle. On one hand, this kind of confrontational interaction is driven by the historical reality of racist behavior by police, but it is definitely amplified and kept going by black parents who tell their kids that they should fear and hate police.
I have heard many stories about 'driving while black' and negative experience with the police. It has been an eye-opener for me because I have not been exposed to those same experiences.
As a youth I was subjected to what I believe are inappropriate stops. This was especially true when driving late at night. I remember several times being pulled over for "weaving within the lane" - something I was not doing and something that is not in violation of a traffic law anyway. I suppose I should have attributed those stops to my race and if my parents taught me that I was going to be wrongly stopped because of my race then I probably would have.
Is there racism within the 18,000 police forces in the USA? No doubt.
Of course. The point has never been whether or not there are individual racist cops, but whether cops are as a whole racist. You made the claim that your race protects you during a traffic stop. That implies that you believe that racism plays a significant role in how police generally handle lethal force.
I don't appreciate being thought of as racist simply because I am an older white male, but I can see how some people, due to their experiences or other knowledge, come to that conclusion.
Do you defend all racial prejudice as long as it is based on subjective experiences or knowledge? Or is only some racial prejudice okay?
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To flip this around a bit... what I HATE about being white...
The fact that I go from pale and pasty white to scorched lobster in about 10 minutes in the sun.
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To flip this around a bit... what I HATE about being white...
The fact that I go from pale and pasty white to scorched lobster in about 10 minutes in the sun.
I thank God every day summer that I can actually tan.
I spent a summer as a lifegaurd in High School. By August, I looked like a surfer dude- I was dark brown with blonde hair and blue eyes. (I'm normally slightly tanned and brown haired. The eyes stayed the same color.)
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Fair skinned crispy critter here as well! As a kid, if I slowly built up my tan, I could stay outside all day. My doc say's I have the skin cancer (removed) and other blemishes here in my later years to prove it! My Scottish/German heritage perhaps?
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I like being able to more easily get Vitamin D from the sun. Also the lactose tolerance.
Exactly; I can enjoy cheese!
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Who are these "white(s)" he is speaking about?
All Caucasians?
Do all Caucasians across the world have the same experience based solely on the color of their skin?
Not all low-melanin ethnicities are from the Caucus regions.
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Caucasian is a perfectly good term. Race is defined by skull shape, not skin color. Caucasians may have dark skin or light skin- it does not matter. There are many different groups of Caucasians from a huge variety of different cultures. North Africans (including Egyptians), Europeans, Arabs, Persians, Turks, Indians- all are primarily Caucasian. The term "White" excludes darker skinned people who are still grouped in the same race anatomically, making it a less useful term.
Nowdays, the it is PC for anthropologists to say race is a myth.
Yeah well, a scientist can look a skeleton or DNA profile and determine race accurately... because it actually exists in a biological sense. A race is a type of extended family of human beings.
You're arguing with people who will tell you plumbing has nothing to do with gender.
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Fair skinned crispy critter here as well! As a kid, if I slowly built up my tan, I could stay outside all day. My doc say's I have the skin cancer (removed) and other blemishes here in my later years to prove it! My Scottish/German heritage perhaps?
My mother is very fair skinned and has skin issues if she gets too much sun. I take after her in that regard.
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I like being able to more easily get Vitamin D from the sun. Also the lactose tolerance.
Ironically, I, oh so white, have been prescribed super vitamin D pills due to a poor showing on my last blood panel. Probably because I don't go out in the sun if I can avoid it.
Like Mike, I go from snow white to lobster in seconds when exposed to UV rays. :rofl:
What do I like about being white?
I guess... Well, all I can think of is that I would supposedly have an easier time finding makeup if I wore makeup or knew how to use it...
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CPrTJfzpuqi/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
White privilege in action.
Youtube version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8blBGFwxNg
I have no idea what the guy did or if he earned it, but it was funny.
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The state trooper even kept his hat on. Nice job.
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The older I've gotten the more I've been able to tan, believe it or not. I think my skin cells finally said "screw you, fat man, if you're going to keep treating us like this we're going to protect ourselves!"
But, it's not much of a tan, and I have to get it very gradually, and it's still really easy to get fried.