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Title: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Ben on May 26, 2021, 01:35:23 PM
Senate confirmation hearing for ATF Director:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/05/26/insane-sen-ted-cruz-has-atf-director-nominee-reiterate-his-desire-to-see-a-ban-on-ar-15s/

https://twitter.com/i/status/1397585833138528262

Claims it's "especially lethal" and somehow tries to throw his, "I was issued one on the ATF SWAT team" comment in to make it, I guess, sound like a "military" weapon.

I do wish someone would ask him how he would support and carry out the ban.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: K Frame on May 26, 2021, 01:44:43 PM
Well everyone knows that once a law is passed it will immediately be all beer and skittles!

It's why murder rates in Chicago are so low -- there's a law against it!
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Angel Eyes on May 26, 2021, 01:50:04 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2VGxReVEAUl6Rj?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: MechAg94 on May 26, 2021, 02:17:10 PM
At least he didn't lie. 

I hope this turns the confirmation into a vote on gun bans.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 26, 2021, 02:33:50 PM

Claims it's "especially lethal" and somehow tries to throw his, "I was issued one on the ATF SWAT team" comment in to make it, I guess, sound like a "military" weapon.


I wonder if he was really issued an AR-15, or if it was actually an M16 or an M4 -- with "the switch."
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Ben on May 26, 2021, 02:38:28 PM
I wonder if he was really issued an AR-15, or if it was actually an M16 or an M4 -- with "the switch."

Yes, I had the same thought. It would further point out deception on his part for political motives.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Ben on May 26, 2021, 02:56:15 PM
More: Any semi-auto with a detachable magazine that takes greater than .22 caliber is an assault weapon.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1397596024051539974

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/05/26/absolutely-humiliated-gop-senators-try-to-get-atf-director-nominee-to-define-assault-weapon/


Also, to a tangent:

Quote
Dana Loesch
@DLoesch

1h
This was always about the start of banning all semi-auto. Itís why they conflate semi with full auto and throw around terms like ďassault weaponĒ (a term only used once in an Army field guide from the 60s specifically describing full-auto).

The quote from Dana is relevant to more than him/gov. I don't know why I still watch it, but I still watch NCIS, even though for the last few years all the bad guys are "gun nuts", "militia", or taliban. I just watched the last show of the season. One scene had them cataloging stolen weapons and they specifically said, "Mark 12 Mod 1 SPR semi-automatic rifle used by the SEALs".

Kinda makes you start getting a little parnaoid thinking that media and politicians (and big tech) are all kinda working in concert to change perceptions making sure to tie something like a special purpose rifle into the SEALs, and thus give the perception that ARs are all military rifles, with semi-auto vs selective fire of little consequence in the definition.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: WLJ on May 26, 2021, 03:03:19 PM
More: Any semi-auto with a detachable magazine that takes greater than .22 caliber is an assault weapon.


So he's saying the AR-10 & AK-47s are assault weapons but the AR-15 & AK-74 are not.  :O
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Ben on May 26, 2021, 03:06:11 PM
So he's saying the AR-10 & AK-47s are assault weapons but the AR-15 & AK-74 are not.  :O

No, he specifically said "over .22, to include .223".
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: WLJ on May 26, 2021, 03:16:38 PM
Roll with me here
Besides 22LR bullets are .223 in dia. and 223 Rem .224  [popcorn]
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: MechAg94 on May 26, 2021, 03:27:50 PM
I guess someone will have to develop the 219 cartridge if it doesn't exist already.  I have plenty of 5.45. 

Kind of silly to frame the issue that way, but I guess that is easier to put on paper in gun grabber legislation.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: dogmush on May 26, 2021, 03:36:01 PM
We are seeing the result of trying to pretend that civility is always a worthwhile goal.  Or that compromise is always good.

The proposed ATF director is against guns?  Color me shocked. 

Some of the younger gun celebrities have hit on the proper attitude with the "Become Ungovernable" and "Shall Not Comply" ideas.  The only proper response to a law enforcement official saying they support an unconstitutional law is "No.  I won't do that, and if you try to make me I will kill every cop you send.  And if I survive, I'll come for you personally".

Why even pretend to be willing to compromise on a natural right?  That's how we got into this situation in the first place.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Ben on May 26, 2021, 03:57:31 PM
Roll with me here
Besides 22LR bullets are .223 in dia. and 223 Rem .224  [popcorn]

I realize this, but he was obviously separating out .22 rimfire and basically saying that any centerfire semi-auto is an "assault weapon".
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: WLJ on May 26, 2021, 04:07:11 PM
I realize this, but he was obviously separating out .22 rimfire and basically saying that any centerfire semi-auto is an "assault weapon".

Thought it was clear I was mocking him as much as anything else. I just can't believe something that gun ignorant came out of the mouth of someone pegged to head the ATF. Oh wait, yes I can. I got to remember who did the pegging.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: MechAg94 on May 26, 2021, 04:46:36 PM
We are seeing the result of trying to pretend that civility is always a worthwhile goal.  Or that compromise is always good.

The proposed ATF director is against guns?  Color me shocked. 

Some of the younger gun celebrities have hit on the proper attitude with the "Become Ungovernable" and "Shall Not Comply" ideas.  The only proper response to a law enforcement official saying they support an unconstitutional law is "No.  I won't do that, and if you try to make me I will kill every cop you send.  And if I survive, I'll come for you personally".

Why even pretend to be willing to compromise on a natural right?  That's how we got into this situation in the first place.
When they say "compromise", they mean compliance.  They have no intention of both sides benefiting from the "compromise".  I guess most people active in 2nd Amendment politics realize that by now.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: charby on May 26, 2021, 05:38:33 PM
I guess someone will have to develop the 219 cartridge if it doesn't exist already.  I have plenty of 5.45. 

Kind of silly to frame the issue that way, but I guess that is easier to put on paper in gun grabber legislation.

.204 Ruger in an AR Platform. Loved by coyote hunters here.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: TommyGunn on May 26, 2021, 07:15:54 PM
More: Any semi-auto with a detachable magazine that takes greater than .22 caliber is an assault weapon.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1397596024051539974

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/05/26/absolutely-humiliated-gop-senators-try-to-get-atf-director-nominee-to-define-assault-weapon/


Also, to a tangent:

The quote from Dana is relevant to more than him/gov. I don't know why I still watch it, but I still watch NCIS, even though for the last few years all the bad guys are "gun nuts", "militia", or taliban. I just watched the last show of the season. One scene had them cataloging stolen weapons and they specifically said, "Mark 12 Mod 1 SPR semi-automatic rifle used by the SEALs".

Kinda makes you start getting a little parnaoid thinking that media and politicians (and big tech) are all kinda working in concert to change perceptions making sure to tie something like a special purpose rifle into the SEALs, and thus give the perception that ARs are all military rifles, with semi-auto vs selective fire of little consequence in the definition.
 

I just watched a recording of that NCIS show.   I did notice that remark.  I don't even know if that gun is a real gun but I was surprised it was described as "semi-automatic."   Do SEALs  even  use a semiauto AR style weapon?   I'd think they'd have full auto AR style weapons, but use them in semiauto when called for and full auto when called for.

NCIS  isn't the only tv show where bad guys are typically gun nuts, militia, or some type of rightwing kook.
It's a meme.    ;/
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: dogmush on May 26, 2021, 07:55:38 PM
Early in the SPR  (Special Purpose Receiver) program they used full auto M16/M4 trigger groups (auto, not burst).  I've shot one of those, and it was kinda meh, honestly.

Somewhere later in the program the R changed from Receiver to Rifle, and they were built with civilian 2 stage semi trigger parts.  A Mk12 Mod 1 is late enough it probably was a semi-auto.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: just Warren on May 26, 2021, 09:41:52 PM
With respect to the ATF, I support a ban.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 26, 2021, 10:12:40 PM
With respect to the ATF, I support a ban.

Well played.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: MechAg94 on May 26, 2021, 10:33:33 PM
He seemed to try to back up from that saying there was no ban in the current law, but also may have suggested they be treated as particularly deadly weapons like stuff the ATF does regulate.  Not sure if that means anything, but I don't like it. 
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 26, 2021, 11:45:03 PM
I realize this, but he was obviously separating out .22 rimfire and basically saying that any centerfire semi-auto is an "assault weapon".

But .22 rimfire bullets aren't .22" in diameter, they're .223" or .224"
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Ben on May 27, 2021, 07:55:31 AM
But .22 rimfire bullets aren't .22" in diameter, they're .223" or .224"

The people who vote these laws in don't care about 0.003.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: dogmush on May 27, 2021, 09:46:52 AM
The people who vote these laws in don't care about 0.003.

Cut .003" off a shotgun barrel and let's see how much they care....
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Lennyjoe on May 27, 2021, 10:53:38 PM
$20 says they confirm the asshat anyway.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: RocketMan on May 28, 2021, 09:34:46 AM
$20 says they confirm the asshat anyway.

No bet as I believe they will confirm him, too.  He is exactly the kind of person the anti-gun Democrats want leading the BATFE.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: MechAg94 on May 28, 2021, 10:05:03 AM
I heard the judiciary committee was half R's and half D's.  If he is not voted out of the committee, D's have said they will use procedural means to bring the nomination through for a floor vote.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: WLJ on May 28, 2021, 10:10:12 AM
The man could have said F America, pledge his allegiance to China, then pulled down his pants and wiped his butt with the constitution during the hearings and I would still expect him to be confirmed
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Ben on May 28, 2021, 10:27:43 AM
I'll buck the trend and question whether he'll be confirmed. It seems ATF Director is one of those positions that has often gone for very long periods with an acting in place as the critters bickered.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: WLJ on May 28, 2021, 10:31:25 AM
I'll buck the trend and question whether he'll be confirmed. It seems ATF Director is one of those positions that has often gone for very long periods with an acting in place as the critters bickered.

I hope you're right. The cynical side of me keeps coming out more and more lately.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: WLJ on May 28, 2021, 12:33:54 PM
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Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: WLJ on June 03, 2021, 12:12:40 PM
Expecting someone to follow the Constitution and the Bill of Rights marks you an anti-government extremist

Vice Smears Opposition to Chipman Nomination as Crazy, Far Right Militia Conspiracy
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/vice-smears-opposition-to-chipman-nomination-as-crazy-far-right-militia-conspiracy/
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: bedlamite on June 03, 2021, 12:17:31 PM
Expecting someone to follow the Construction and the Bill of Rights marks you an anti-government extremist

Vice Smears Opposition to Chipman Nomination as Crazy, Far Right Militia Conspiracy
https://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?action=post;topic=64598.25;last_msg=1307629

That's probably not the link you meant to post.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: WLJ on June 03, 2021, 12:23:10 PM
No it wasn't.
Too many tabs open at one time and that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 03, 2021, 03:30:00 PM
Expecting someone to follow the Construction and the Bill of Rights marks you an anti-government extremist

Vice Smears Opposition to Chipman Nomination as Crazy, Far Right Militia Conspiracy
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/vice-smears-opposition-to-chipman-nomination-as-crazy-far-right-militia-conspiracy/

Always follow the Construction.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: WLJ on June 03, 2021, 10:25:27 PM
Always follow the Construction.

Brave must have hands down the worse spelling correction engine I've ever seen. My left hand keeps skipping and hitting wrong letters and if I don't catch them Brave then comes up with some wacked out corrections. About to go back to Firefox
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: French G. on June 03, 2021, 10:48:26 PM
Brave must have hands down the worse spelling correction engine I've ever seen. My left hand keeps skipping and hitting wrong letters and if I don't catch them Brave then comes up with some wacked out corrections. About to go back to Firefox

Brave kills ads, theoretically pays me for ads I do see and doesn't crash my computer or support Mozillas political BS. i can type and spell like csd for that
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Fly320s on June 04, 2021, 09:09:45 AM
Brave must have hands down the worse spelling correction engine I've ever seen. My left hand keeps skipping and hitting wrong letters and if I don't catch them Brave then comes up with some wacked out corrections. About to go back to Firefox

Have you tried proofreading? 
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: 230RN on June 04, 2021, 10:00:52 AM
I recently got an ONN keyboard which is a typo generator. The keys are low on the surface so that the slightet touch generates a character.  It also seems to miss characters, epecially the space, and the sligthest error in typing an
A kicks the caps lock on or off.

I remember having an identical problem when I switched from mechanical typewriters where you had to put some energy into the keys, to elecric ones, but I don't think it was this bad.  I think its design has been influenced by the modern keyless keyboards; at least I think so.

I really have to go over every paragraph and correct stuff, which impedes the flow of the creative juices.

Butr I'll muddle through. <<  I left that one in as a demo.  I barely brushed the "r."

(https://2ahawaii.com/Smileys/extended/stopjack.gif)

My bet's FOR confirmation.  (http://www.gunrightsmedia.com/images/smilies/angryfire.gif) (http://www.gunrightsmedia.com/images/smilies/cussing2.gif)
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: WLJ on June 04, 2021, 10:26:03 AM
Have you tried proofreading?

Like I said, if I catch it


(https://2ahawaii.com/Smileys/extended/stopjack.gif)



By APS standards we are on topic  :rofl:
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 17, 2021, 09:58:03 PM
Excerpts from Chipman's testimony before the Senate: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v36Bo6yTQc

Interesting how he wants to go all Minority Report on anyone who fails a background check.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 17, 2021, 10:28:53 PM
Excerpts from Chipman's testimony before the Senate: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v36Bo6yTQc

Interesting how he wants to go all Minority Report on anyone who fails a background check.

Can't even speak English.

08:25 -- "What I was trying to use as self-depreciating humor ..."

That's an exact quote. What he meant to say, I think, was "self-deprecating humor."

Memo to Mr. Chipman: The Second Amendment doesn't say anything about training.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 17, 2021, 10:30:12 PM
Can't even speak English.

08:25 -- "What I was trying to use as self-depreciating humor ..."

That's an exact quote. What he meant to say, I think, was "self-deprecating humor."

Maybe his humor is tax-deductible.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 17, 2021, 10:36:13 PM
Can't even speak English.

08:25 -- "What I was trying to use as self-depreciating humor ..."

That's an exact quote. What he meant to say, I think, was "self-deprecating humor."

Memo to Mr. Chipman: The Second Amendment doesn't say anything about training.

What do you think about the notion that "well-regulated militia" refers to a well-organized (trained) militia? 'Course, it says you need free access to weapons in order to have that, so Chipman is wrong either way...
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: just Warren on June 17, 2021, 10:49:31 PM
Maybe his humor is tax-deductible.

I think you mean tax-deducible.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 18, 2021, 05:40:13 AM
What do you think about the notion that "well-regulated militia" refers to a well-organized (trained) militia?

That is what it means. It means organized, trained, and uniformly equipped. And since the M16 and M4 are the primary rifles of the U.S. military, the intent of the various revisions of the Militia Acts (going back to 1792) would be that in today's world every member of the "unorganized" militia (that's every able bodied male between the ages of 17 and 45) should be required to own an AR-15-type rifle or carbine, four 30-round magazines, and a 200-round battle pack of M193 or M855 5.56x45 ammunition. That's the rough modern equivalent of what the early militiamen were required to provide according to the militia acts of 1792:

Quote
That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, ...
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 18, 2021, 07:28:37 AM
That is what it means. It means organized, trained, and uniformly equipped. And since the M16 and M4 are the primary rifles of the U.S. military, the intent of the various revisions of the Militia Acts (going back to 1792) would be that in today's world every member of the "unorganized" militia (that's every able bodied male between the ages of 17 and 45) should be required to own an AR-15-type rifle or carbine, four 30-round magazines, and a 200-round battle pack of M193 or M855 5.56x45 ammunition. That's the rough modern equivalent of what the early militiamen were required to provide according to the militia acts of 1792:

Then it seems the amendment does have training in mind, only not the way Chipman suggests it does.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 18, 2021, 12:32:01 PM
Then it seems the amendment does have training in mind, only not the way Chipman suggests it does.

Correct. It means the old dudes who wrote it would have wanted (and expected) us ("the people") to regularly do just what the liberal bed-wetters want to claim is illegal -- go out in a field somewhere and practice militia stuff.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 18, 2021, 12:54:58 PM
Correct. It means the old dudes who wrote it would have wanted (and expected) us ("the people") to regularly do just what the liberal bed-wetters want to claim is illegal -- go out in a field somewhere and practice militia stuff.

Like in Vermont.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: JN01 on June 18, 2021, 01:49:56 PM
Can't even speak English.

08:25 -- "What I was trying to use as self-depreciating humor ..."

That's an exact quote. What he meant to say, I think, was "self-deprecating humor."

Memo to Mr. Chipman: The Second Amendment doesn't say anything about training.

And his speech is self-defecating.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 13, 2021, 11:45:40 AM
Chipman's deleted tweets resurface:

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/07/chipmans-deleted-tweets-tell-us-all-we-need-to-know-about-his-character/

Mostly they just confirm what we already know about him.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: WLJ on July 13, 2021, 11:56:58 AM
Most dems and MSM nowadays considered those "mainstream" views.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: lee n. field on July 13, 2021, 12:08:00 PM
And his speech is self-defecating.

Quirk of spell-Czech, or just what you mean to say?
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Lennyjoe on July 13, 2021, 01:37:02 PM
Did he ever get confirmed?
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: WLJ on July 13, 2021, 01:42:42 PM
Did he ever get confirmed?

No vote yet.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: JN01 on July 13, 2021, 11:11:21 PM
Quirk of spell-Czech, or just what you mean to say?

Descriptive of what comes out of that clowns mouth.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: WLJ on July 15, 2021, 10:55:47 AM
Even CNN think he's in trouble, maybe

Quote
Chipman has privately been holding one-on-one meetings with wayward senators to assure them he respects the Second Amendment, planning a meeting with GOP Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska on Wednesday, meeting with independent Sen. Angus King of Maine on Monday and even meeting with pro-gun groups in West Virginia and GOP Gov. Jim Justice at Sen. Joe Manchinís request.

Some are still not sold.

CNN: Bidenís Nomination of David Chipman to Head ATF is in Real Trouble
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/cnn-bidens-nomination-of-david-chipman-to-head-atf-is-in-real-trouble/
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Pb on July 15, 2021, 11:08:10 AM
Almost every jackass who wants to screw over gun rights declares his or her devotion to the Second Amendment.   ;/
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: WLJ on July 15, 2021, 11:29:04 AM
Almost every jackass who wants to screw over gun rights declares his or her devotion to their version of the Second Amendment.   ;/

FIFY
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: RocketMan on July 15, 2021, 12:33:21 PM
CNN saying Chipman's confirmation is in trouble means he is really a shoe-in for the position.  This is CNN manufacturing disinformation to aid in his confirmation.  He will be confirmed. 
Note that according to the CNN story, he is meeting with Republicans and others that are already squishy on the 2nd.

edit for spelling
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 15, 2021, 01:29:30 PM
Heh. I wonder if CNN called senators "wayward" when they weren't ready to rubber-stamp one of Trump's nominees.

(I actually don't.)
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Ben on July 21, 2021, 08:33:57 PM
You gun owner guys are all just a bunch of tiger kings.

https://nypost.com/2021/07/21/atf-pick-mocks-gun-buyers-as-tiger-kings-prepping-for-zombies/
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: Boomhauer on July 21, 2021, 09:54:25 PM
You gun owner guys are all just a bunch of tiger kings.

https://nypost.com/2021/07/21/atf-pick-mocks-gun-buyers-as-tiger-kings-prepping-for-zombies/

Well considering his ATF is usually occupied with burning children alive maybe we should see how they fare against targets with the means to shoot back.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: WLJ on July 21, 2021, 10:11:40 PM
To dem ears this stuff makes him a shoo-in
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: cordex on July 22, 2021, 06:15:13 AM
Well considering his ATF is usually occupied with burning children alive maybe we should see how they fare against targets with the means to shoot back.
To be fair, at Waco the ATF did go up against shooters (albeit, not ones really dedicated to killing agents, because they agreed to a ceasefire when the feds ran out of ammo) resulting in some dead revenuers.
And it was the FBI who burned the kids.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: French G. on July 22, 2021, 12:38:19 PM
To be fair, at Waco the ATF did go up against shooters (albeit, not ones really dedicated to killing agents, because they agreed to a ceasefire when the feds ran out of ammo) resulting in some dead revenuers.
And it was the FBI who burned the kids.

Watch the video, atf goes in a window with MP-5, a few seconds later full auto comes out the wall hitting the agents on the roof. Some of those dead agents were friendly fire. Once they use a tank on you itís all fair anyway.
Title: Re: "With Respect to the AR-15, I Support a Ban"
Post by: WLJ on July 22, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
Get an early start
Just political theater though

House Republicans push impeachment resolution against David Chipman as decision looms for moderate Senate Dems
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republicans-impeachment-chipman-democrats-atf-nominee