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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Bogie on July 28, 2021, 12:31:52 PM
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So, WTF? Had to find a safe space or something?
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With the caveat that I don't know Biles or anything about her mental condition, I am reminded of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qngi1LiNcVk
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Found this
While I can understand possible trauma caused by the first part the underlined sounds like a bit of bull to me.
“We are talking about the same girl who was molested by her team doctor throughout her entire childhood and teen years, won the world all-around championship title while passing a kidney stone, put her body through an extra year of training through the pandemic, added so much difficulty to her routines that the judges literally do not know how to properly rate her skills bc they are so ahead of her time,” the statement continues.
Simone Biles shares message about sexual abuse and ‘trauma’ she’s suffered
https://nypost.com/2021/07/28/simone-biles-shares-message-on-larry-nassar-abuse-after-opting-out-of-olympics/
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Not that I know anything about her personal trials and tribulations as soon as she stepped away I told my wife it would be spun as a noble gesture on her part so the US Team would be able to go on and medal in Women's Gymnastics knowing if she stayed she would not be able to contribute to the team. What they are leaving out is if she had made this decision before the meet, which she may well have mentally, the US would have quite possibly taken the Gold.
In other Olympic news the US has 4 medals in shooting sports up to now. Gold in Men and Women's Skeet, 10 Meter Air Rifle (Olympic record) and Silver in Team 10 Meter Air Rifle.
bob
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Any top level competitor in any discipline that risks their body is entitled to decide whether they compete without judgment from people with no skin in the game. No matter the sport, it is all mental at the top. Everyone has the best equipment, everyone trained, everyone is experienced.
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If she knew she wasn't going to finish, she should have bailed before. There are alternates for a reason.
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"A man's got to know his limitations."
That applies to everybody.
She owes nobody nothin'.
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Any top level competitor in any discipline that risks their body is entitled to decide whether they compete without judgment from people with no skin in the game. No matter the sport, it is all mental at the top. Everyone has the best equipment, everyone trained, everyone is experienced.
This.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
That applies to everybody.
She owes nobody nothin'.
And that. She knows what she can and can't do, and she made a call. We'll see next week if it gave her enough time to continue competing.
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If she knew she had a physical injury problem, she should have owned up to it prior to the competition.
If she had a mental injury problem... what if Jesse Owens had just quit?
She let her teammates down.
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Bullshit.
She knew she wouldn't perform at her normal standard and let one of the alternates compete in her place, so the team could still medal. Which they did.
She made the judgment call that the alternate would do better than her on that day. What evidence do you have that she was incorrect in that judgment?
Do you have any indication her team feels let down? Or is it just internet pontificators?
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For my part I wasn't knocking her decision to drop out, that's her business and it may have been the best decision for both her and the team, but rather part of the reason(s) given above which appears to me to be B cooked up by someone else.
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Any top level competitor in any discipline that risks their body is entitled to decide whether they compete without judgment from people with no skin in the game. No matter the sport, it is all mental at the top. Everyone has the best equipment, everyone trained, everyone is experienced.
This.
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https://youtu.be/Jq-usvN216A
I agree with Ben Shapiro’s take. Backing out of competition due to aerial disorientation is totally understandable. Makes her neither a hero nor a villain. It just makes her a human. Backing out because she just needing to “focus on herself” is a pathetic way to let down her team.
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The media screwed her. I don't care about or follow the Olympics, but I know her name from all of the articles singing her praise. Lot of pressure being their appointed hero.
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Third olympics, many international competitions, survived Nassar and took him down. Think she has seen mental pressure and knows the limit. We should not deride mental health because at some point we all need a safe space even if we don’t use trendy words about our “trauma.” A lot of the world class race car drivers I have been around retreat into the front of the trailer and you leave them alone. They will get out and wave to the crowd when they survive a bad one. They will get in the backup car and drive it just as hard. But it takes a toll.
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I have a daughter who has been through a lot less than Simone Biles. My daughter just tried to commit suicide for the seventh time (that I know of).
Cut Biles some slack.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33eCt8nR2xw
The Truth About Simone Biles
Paul Joseph Watson
This is a good example of some of what I am seeing. I don't know if it is a reaction to Biles or to the media reporting.
Personally, I don't care. I am not following the Olympics anyway. I don't know enough to get upset over any of it. As said above, she has enough trophies and medals to show what she is made of. I saw it as she realized she was not at her best and for some reason wasn't going to improve so it was a chance to give the runner up a shot at things. There might be more to it that will come out eventually, assuming anyone cares in another month.
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And... Scuttlebutt Rumor Control is saying that there was an issue with the judges wanting to score her differently from the other gymnasts, because they thought that what she was doing was dangerous for the others to attempt...
And... Just WHUT is this half-court basketball thing?
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Any top level competitor in any discipline that risks their body is entitled to decide whether they compete without judgment from people with no skin in the game. No matter the sport, it is all mental at the top. Everyone has the best equipment, everyone trained, everyone is experienced.
I completely agree with this...all of this.
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This is a pretty good synopsis of what I've seen on Biles and the IOC scoring issue. I was seeing this before her stepping down lit up the webwaves.
I don't blame her to much for maybe not being on top of her mental game after this crap.
What if the NFL told Tom Brady his touchdown passes will only be 4 points because he was too good? Or the NBA gave MJ 1 point instead of 2 because he scores much better than the other players? There would be outrage on ESPN, boycotts , death threats against David Stern, etc.
But when the Olympics imposed this on Simone Biles… *crickets…* DEAL WITH IT and compete. No petitions, withdrawals from the US Olympics Committee.
So, after practicing your routine for years, you must mentally and physically alter your performance to be appropriately scored to keep everything “fair”. And when you realize you don’t align with their “standards” you make the hard decision to not hurt your teammates score (who, btw, showed out yesterday!!) or risk your health in a sport where 1 bad slip can mean paralysis.
You’re labeled egotistical, overrated and most of all a “quitter” because you won’t conform.
In all honesty, the IOC quit on Simone. Not the other way around.
She may arguably be the best female gymnast to date but she has essentially been "marked down" for being too good.
https://www.esquire.com/sports/a36530138/simone-biles-summer-olympics-yurchenko-double-pike-explained/
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Sounds like the olympic committee has never read Harrison Bergeron . . . .
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Sounds like the olympic committee has never read Harrison Bergeron . . . .
Seems to me that the libtards revel in the most dystopian of stories and then use them as a "how-to" guide.
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Not the first time crap like this has happened in the Olympics.
Surya Bonaly was probably the most dynamic and energetic figure skater of her generation. She was the first to land a back flip... a *expletive deleted*ing back flip, during competition.
She was also the first to land a back flip on ONE blade. One *expletive deleted*ing blade.
And she made it look effortless.
For all of her power on the ice, judges essentially did the same thing to her as they're doing to Biles.
In her last Olympics Bonaly extended a HUGE middle finger to the IOC and its figure skating governing body when she absolutely nailed a backflip and then finished her routine by turning her back to the judges.
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She's what, a gymnast, right?
[checks DuckDuckGo]
A sport no one follows.
I haven't seen this much discussion of any single competitive shooter on this board. What gives?
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She's what, a gymnast, right?
[checks DuckDuckGo]
A sport no one follows.
I haven't seen this much discussion of any single competitive shooter on this board. What gives?
No controversy and that’s what we kvetch about. I’m kinda outraged we got beaten badly in Archery. Need to find some better rednecks to send.
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Back when Shaq was still playing he found out he was not drawing all the fouls he should have because the refs considered that given his strength and power opposing players had a much harder time stopping him.
And it's true, if you watch video of him he could just blast through multiple players trying to grab his arm and prevent the shot. Still though, he was being fouled.
In essence they got to get away with stuff that would have been fouls on anyone else.
That's wrong.
You can't change or interpret the rules differently for different competitors. It's supposed to be a level playing field, right?
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Back when Shaq was still playing he found out he was not drawing all the fouls he should have because the refs considered that given his strength and power opposing players had a much harder time stopping him.
And it's true, if you watch video of him he could just blast through multiple players trying to grab his arm and prevent the shot. Still though, he was being fouled.
In essence they got to get away with stuff that would have been fouls on anyone else.
That's wrong.
You can't change or interpret the rules differently for different competitors. It's supposed to be a level playing field, right?
When I was in high school, we had a tall guy on our high school basketball team who was in the 6'-8" range. Taller than just about anyone in our district of small schools. He was constantly getting fouled and refs generally wouldn't call them.
Then again, I don't know if that has anything to do what is what is happening with Biles.
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No controversy and that’s what we kvetch about. I’m kinda outraged we got beaten badly in Archery. Need to find some better rednecks to send.
You mean no controversy that corporate media is telling us to care about. How controversial should this Biles stuff be, anyway? She didn't get caught in flagrante with another competitor's man. She didn't curse out little children that wanted her autograph. She just bowed out of a competition.
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I'll admit, at first I was calling BS. The competitor in me yelled "suck it up. Team needs you." Then, when I talked to a buddy whose wife coaches gymnastics, I found out that Biles isn't having a mental health issue like depression, she has a lack of confidence tied to vertigo-like issues. Apparently this isn't too uncommon in gymnasts, but can be dangerous as hell if they can't tell up and down while flipping in the air. So, not that she needed my forgiveness, she has it.