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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on August 12, 2021, 03:33:58 PM
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Sounds like Afghanistan will be back under Taliban rule in record time.
I wouldn't care much, other than the US lives, time, and money spent there. Especially the lives. This fast of a Taliban takeover is just about spitting on the graves of US servicemembers who died there. Not to mention all those who came back minus body parts.
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Any future diplomacy needs to come from Whiteman AFB and it needs to be bright.
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Any future diplomacy needs to come from Whiteman AFB and it needs to be bright.
Special delivery from the Instant Sunrise Company
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They rattle my light when they fly over every day but it's a lovely sound.
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Special delivery from the Instant Sunrise Company
Founder J. Robert Oppenheimer.
May his light shine upon the Taliban.
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Afghanistan has been a tribal cluster *expletive deleted*ck for thousands of years. Did they actually think that was going to change in a few years? Either stay the *expletive deleted*ck out of Afghanistan and let them be or have the balls to turn the place into *expletive deleted*ing glass, there is no middle option.
sorry for the language but this whole thing ***** me off to no end
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What bothers me most is that we (the US) made it a priority to make sure that the females in the 'stan got proper educations and equal rights. Seems to me that in the end all we did was put bullseyes on them, especially the young females that can now do God forsaken things like read...
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Uhhh isn't that what they want? :facepalm:
European Union threatens Taliban with ‘isolation’ if it seizes power in Afghanistan
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/12/european-union-threatens-taliban-with-isolation-if-it-seizes-power-in-afghanistan/
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Our policy there was pretty insane from the get go.
There is suckage to go around multiple times and still have mountains of suckage left over.
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Uhhh isn't that what they want? :facepalm:
European Union threatens Taliban with ‘isolation’ if it seizes power in Afghanistan
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/12/european-union-threatens-taliban-with-isolation-if-it-seizes-power-in-afghanistan/
Oh no, please don't throw me in the briar patch!
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Our policy there was pretty insane from the get go.
There is suckage to go around multiple times and still have mountains of suckage left over.
Agreed. Our occupation of Afghanistan stopped mattering many years ago. There is no win/lose here. We just need to stop wasting lives and money occupying that place for no good reason.
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The bottom line as I see it...
No insurgency against an occupying power is going to trust us from now on. First we did that in Vietnam... And a generation later, in the 'Stan.
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Was just a waiting game for the Taliban. History shows that they just need to be patient and wait us out.
Bottom line, it’s a shithole and you’d never be successful in teaching them to do anything different they have been doing for hundreds of years.
No love lost for the fall of Afghanistan here, except for the lives lost trying to bring them up to the 21 st century.
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Was just a waiting game for the Taliban. History shows that they just need to be patient and wait us out.
Bottom line, it’s a shithole and you’d never be successful in teaching them to do anything different they have been doing for hundreds of years.
No love lost for the fall of Afghanistan here, except for the lives lost trying to bring them up to the 21 st century.
"You've got the watches, we've got the time".
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The bottom line as I see it...
No insurgency against an occupying power is going to trust us from now on. First we did that in Vietnam... And a generation later, in the 'Stan.
They had 20 years to figure out how to stand up on their own. I don't see another 5 or 20 years making any difference.
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^^^^This. How fast "the lesson of Vietnam" was ignored and the American people shrugged and went about their day.
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^^^^This. How fast "the lesson of Vietnam" was ignored and the American people shrugged and went about their day.
The South Vietnamese fared pretty well until our kongress stopped funding their efforts. I don't know why the Afghan military, which I think is numerically superior to the Taliban forces, collapse faster than the 7th Cavalry at the Little Bighorn. Something in their culture ? ? ? ? Making them unwilling or unable to fight against fellow Afghans, in spite of extreme religious ideologies? =|
The Taliban will ascend and al qaeda will reconstitute and yet again, will try to attack us. I'd guess they'll go to Mexico and sneak - - - - er, walk across the border.... :mad: [popcorn] :facepalm:
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I don't know why the Afghan military, which I think is numerically superior to the Taliban forces, collapse faster than the 7th Cavalry at the Little Bighorn. Something in their culture ? ? ? ? Making them unwilling or unable to fight against fellow Afghans, in spite of extreme religious ideologies? =|
I recall that Dogmush, and others who have been in the ME, had some salient comments regarding the Afghan military, their training, and their, I guess "cultural ineptitude" is as good a phrase as any, making many or most of them an ineffective force.
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I hope Dogmush will chime in and enlighten me, despite it perhaps being repetitive for him.
My brother in law is an ex Army Ranger, but mustered out 30 years ago due to a serious battlefield injury and of course was never in Afghanistan. He has his opinions on the "forever wars" but I can't say he knows just what gives with the Afghan defense forces ....
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I recall some "basic training" videos being posted here showing less than cohesiveness by the trainees. Don't know if that was one off, or common. There are certainly videos available via search showing them to at least be adequate. At least in training, which might not port over to door kicking.
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I had heard that we have been in talks with the Taliban. I am curious if we are making any deals with them about what happens after we leave. (like them not getting involved in international terrorism)
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I had heard that we have been in talks with the Taliban. I am curious if we are making any deals with them about what happens after we leave. (like them not getting involved in international terrorism)
It's looking like the negotiations with the Taliban were a waste of time, given that they are overrunning Afghanistan at the moment.
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It's complicated, and while I have some experience in the AO, I don't pretend I'm an expert on Pashtun culture. I have worked with the Afghan National Army (ANA) a bit. So here's a brief overview. I'll give you the highpoints so you can at least see why none of the US military is particularly surprised.
1. A lot of the ANA IS the Taliban. It's not so much the ANA is folding, as some of them are just changing their uniforms and continuing. Many of the ANA had been with the Taliban during the 90's and their fathers had been with the Mujahideen during the 80's. When we invaded in 2001, and ramped up in 2002 these folks saw the writing on the wall, and left the Taliban to the real screaming beards and tried to carve out a place with some power in the new government. Now that the new government is collapsing they are ditching the ANA and trying to carve out a place with some power in the new government. This flexibility with allegiances is one of the reasons we had so much issue with green on blue attacks while we were there. If a dude is only sorta behind the ANA, and you blow up his third cousin's produce stand, he may very well try to take some US forces out in retaliation.
2. Tribalism. This is a big one. It's hard to fully understand how the entire Pashtun culture revolves around your tribe, and your tribe's fortunes. Americans think of them selves as American, even Antifa sees themselves as saving America. There isn't really an Afghan national Identity until an outside force attacks, and even then it's much weaker than most westerners can really fathom. Young men join the ANA because their tribe needs them to, or they need to steal equipment or get training for their tribe, or to get access to a different tribe to settle a score over three dead goat from 1982. No one joins the ANA to protect "Afghanistan". So if you are Karlanri from the southeast, and happen to be with the ANA outside Lashkargah (Helmond province) and the Taliban are rolling up it's very, very likely you'll see that as a Durrani problem and just go home. It's also likely that if you are careful and pick the right part of the Taliban lines to cross, your cousin will let you take your weapon and go home. Even the idea that there IS an "Afghan National Army" is misleading, because it implies more cohesiveness than really exists. For that matter "Taliban forces" implies more cohesiveness than really exists. There's a small group of screaming beards and a nucleus of folks running a Jihad, and a bunch of other folks that are willing to be steered (a little) in exchange for weapons, money, and the promise of local control when the dust settles.
3. No one likes the Afghani government. We didn't really understand the Pashtun when we started (I would argue that State still doesn't) so when we thought we were setting up a more stable, democratic(ish) government what we actually did is enable one set of corrupt tribal leaders to pick a small group of friends and run roughshod over their rivals, with NATO acting as hired muscle. Like suddenly rich corrupt officials the world over they got a little out of hand with their grift and corruption, even by southwest Asia standards, and made some enemies. Even among the folks that aren't enemies, per sae, much of what the central government does is distasteful and embarrassing to the tribes. One is not likely to risk a whole lot for a government they don't really like anyway.
4. The screaming beards and their true believers are brutal as *expletive deleted*ck. From a purely practical standpoint if a Taliban milita rolls up to your village, and you slap burkas on your women, thanks them for rescuing you from the imperialist's, and give them half your crops and 20 or 30 third cousins to join the milita, they will probably roll on down the road. If you fight, they will rape and kidnap the women, hang the elders, draft all the boys for suicide missions, burn the village to the ground and take all the crops. With it being clear the US won't help them, why would they fight?
5. Inshallah. The ANA is not a professional fighting force (even when they decide to stay and fight). Americans have this idea that the army is a group of people that make warfighting and winning their profession, and work to master that profession. Western Militaries all tend to do that. We take the "warrior" mentality and hone that. We spend MASSIVE amounts of money to let huge armies sit around and just get better at fighting for decades between wars, or for that matter during wars. The US Army in particular is the best in the world at multi domain conflict because we spend a lot of time and effort at being such. While the Warrior archetype exists in the mideast, it's not our Spartan derived professional soldier. It's more of a lone warrior with God's favor type thing. (and I'm still not really conveying the archetype well).
You fight your hardest, and if you win, it was God's will, and if you lose, that was also God's will. Better equipment and tactics won't help you win if it's God's will you lose, and if it's his will you win, you will even if you use rocks. So why bother with all the hard work of endless training, and discipline. In fact, if you do bother with all that hard work, it's like you don't trust God to have you prevail. That lack of trust in his will is likely to turn him against you and yours. You fight, someone wins, Inshallah. Who are you to try and change the ordained outcome by being a better fighter?
Even that is an oversimplification, but the attributes that the Western militaries think make for a good soldier and army are actively avoided by most islamic armies.
There's more levels to the Afghan cultural onion, and I'm sure there's parts I still don't fully grok, but those are kinda the main themes driving why the Taliban forces are not having any real issue with the ANA, despite the ANA having numbers and billions of dollars in US hardware.
I'm wondering if we shouldn't have just colonized the place for real instead of half assing it. I'm sure we'll be back in my lifetime, if not in my Army career, although I heard rumblings that Putin would impose order if he needed to to secure the pipeline networks through the Caspian Sea, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan. The Russians are welcome to take their shot for a decade or so.
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It's looking like the negotiations with the Taliban were a waste of time, given that they are overrunning Afghanistan at the moment.
The only deals I'm aware of with the Taliban were of the "We're getting ready to leave, let's have a cease-fire so we can pack up and skeddadle" variety. Which they seem to have honored.
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^^^Dogmush, I like to learn something every day, and I learned many interesting things from your post.
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Dogmush, thank you very much for posting that rather lengthy thesis on Afghanistan. You may not be an expert but you have much better insight into the dynamics of the place than I did.
Much appreciated!!! ;)
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Another thing to consider is if the Taliban start getting frisky with their neighbors you got Pakistan to their east with nukes but also a large number of supporters of the Taliban in their western territories and soon to have nukes Iran to their west who hates their guts.
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Thanks dogmush. Sounds like there was little of hope of achieving the goals W. Bush started even if we knew that culture very well.
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The only deals I'm aware of with the Taliban were of the "We're getting ready to leave, let's have a cease-fire so we can pack up and skeddadle" variety. Which they seem to have honored.
There were supposed to be negotiations over the formation of a new Afghani government between the Taliban and the current Afghan government. That's obviously not happening.
Thanks for your insight on the situation over there. It is appreciated.
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^^^^This. How fast "the lesson of Vietnam" was ignored and the American people shrugged and went about their day.
I have to jump in here, long before I've read the rest of the thread.
Bull-f*cking-sh!t.
"Went about their day?" Like we had a choice? Some of us were screaming from the rooftops that a prolonged war in Afghanistan, et al., would be a complete and total clucster f*ck of epic proportions. "The American People" didn't get a vote for this crap. The middle east is a stew-pot of stupidity. There never has been and never will be anyone of intelligence emerging from the sand there.
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I agree. Look at how many countries are worse now than before we got involved. Yes they would have fallen but we didn't stop it with all the blood and money left over there.
My dad, many uncles and my best friend spent time in Vietnam. I have anouther bunch of friends that played in the sand. Luckily they all come home. One was lost later.
We have not had a plan to truly win a war in my lifetime. Yes we got Iraq but with no plan after that. Granada I guess we got that one but not sure what happened after. It fell out of the news quick.
We never should have went to the desert without a total wipe them out plan. I know most people don't agree with that but the alternative is not going in and I'm fine with that. Why the hell do we pay the UN if we go in first?
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Either we have pie in the sky goals in the first place or the politicians get big heads and go for more after initial success. Of course we often don't see the effect of BS rules of engagement, or of the influence of big business looking to make money off the whole thing. There is almost always a lot of bad advice floating around from people who have other motives.
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(https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/attachments/1628848063183-png.596210/)
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I guess I don't keep up with the styling of Black Hawk helicopters. Looks like a Hind to me. (we probably still paid for it)
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The only good thing is that it will be as useful as Iran's F-14's very soon.
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I have to jump in here, long before I've read the rest of the thread.
Bull-f*cking-sh!t.
"Went about their day?" Like we had a choice? Some of us were screaming from the rooftops that a prolonged war in Afghanistan, et al., would be a complete and total clucster f*ck of epic proportions. "The American People" didn't get a vote for this crap. The middle east is a stew-pot of stupidity. There never has been and never will be anyone of intelligence emerging from the sand there.
Totally agree. Once we whacked Osama we should of bailed out but didn’t.
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If we actually leave Afghanistan and the Taliban secures control of all regions they will end up with something we don't have.
Their own country.
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Oh no, please don't throw me in the briar patch!
Racist! (gotta be old to get the above quote. Probably not allowed to read such hate filled trash these days... </Sarcasm>)
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Racist! (gotta be old to get the above quote. Probably not allowed to read such hate filled trash these days... </Sarcasm>)
The ironic thing is Disney still had the Song of the South Bre’r Rabbit theme (minus tar baby) as the theme for the Splash Mountain ride up until this year. I rode it last year.
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The only good thing is that it will be as useful as Iran's F-14's very soon.
A good friend of mine is a retired Army Blackhawk crew chief. He spent several years as a contractor in Afghanistan "training" the Afghani army Blackhawk crews. He told me it was a colossal waste of time and effort and money. The Afghanis simply weren't culturally capable of learning what needed to be learned.
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https://www.npr.org/2021/08/13/1027390545/kabul-afghanistan-embassy-evacuation?utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR2OcWZ_qTwFECo-2rwFrFyPDcRjdy4FCnIx07mgbzpGOiVdmFUXe0OI6R0
And based on other articles I have read, it sounds as if the US Embassy there is preparing to be overrun by the Taliban. I sure hope this does not turn into another Iranian embassy situation.
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Remember, you are a domestic terrorist for buying a semi automatic AR but leaving piles and piles of actual military grade weapons for actual terrorists is A-OK.
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https://www.npr.org/2021/08/13/1027390545/kabul-afghanistan-embassy-evacuation?utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR2OcWZ_qTwFECo-2rwFrFyPDcRjdy4FCnIx07mgbzpGOiVdmFUXe0OI6R0
And based on other articles I have read, it sounds as if the US Embassy there is preparing to be overrun by the Taliban. I sure hope this does not turn into another Iranian embassy situation.
They need to park an AC 130 overhead along with a couple of A 10s until everyone is gone. Maybe, just maybe, everyone will have a chance of getting out then. Then they need to level the building.
bob
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https://www.npr.org/2021/08/13/1027390545/kabul-afghanistan-embassy-evacuation?utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR2OcWZ_qTwFECo-2rwFrFyPDcRjdy4FCnIx07mgbzpGOiVdmFUXe0OI6R0
And based on other articles I have read, it sounds as if the US Embassy there is preparing to be overrun by the Taliban. I sure hope this does not turn into another Iranian embassy situation.
Gonna be really good optics for the administration to have video of people being airlifted out of there by helo, sorta like in... Where was it again?
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Gonna be really good optics for the administration to have video of people being airlifted out of there by helo, sorta like in... Where was it again?
Chicago? Detroit?
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Capital Building, Jan 06 2021. Most democrats suffer from PTSD induced hallucinations from the event.
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Capital Building, Jan 06 2021. Most democrats suffer from PTSD induced hallucinations from the event.
Ah, yes. I didn't think of that.
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Liz Cheney just needs to go ahead and switch to the dem side of the aisle. The TDS in this remark is palpable, especially considering her last name.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/14/rep-liz-cheney-calls-afghanistan-collapse-a-trump-biden-calamity-and-people-have-thoughts/
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1426710333264179214
Interesting press conference by Biden. While he was talking, a helo was actually leaving the embassy, which is due to be 100% evacuated in the next day or so. Further, Afghan gov leadership are all packing up and leaving the country to keep from being beheaded.
Couple this with what Dogmush said about the tribalism, and I'm guessing the "300,000 strong" Afghan army is likely effectively closer to 25% of that, and I also bet there are effectively more than 75,000 Taliban.
Also, I think as of today, the Taliban control close to 90% of the country. I saw they rolled into Bagram and freed all 5000 prisoners being held there.
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It's almost as if the government/news media were keeping the US citizens in a matrix of lies regarding the realities on the ground in Afghanistan.
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Aaaaand... Ghani has left the building.
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/live-updates-taliban-gain-more-ground-in-afghanistan-as-they-close-in-on-kabul
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Meanwhile the MSM spin machine has gone into plaid looking for ways to blame Trump 150%
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Think it was Joy Reid that said a few days ago that conservatives are worse than the Taliban
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So much for the idea that the ANA will dig in and stop them before Kabul. 90 days huh? At this point I have to stop enjoying the train wreck and hope that we get our people out safely.
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hope that we get our people out safely.
What difference at this point does it make?
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The South Vietnamese fared pretty well until our kongress stopped funding their efforts.
From Wiki
On 15 March 1973, Nixon implied the US would intervene again militarily if the North launched a full offensive, and Secretary of Defense James Schlesinger re-affirmed this position during his June 1973 confirmation hearings. Public and congressional reaction to Nixon's statement was unfavorable, prompting the U.S. Senate to pass the Case–Church Amendment to prohibit any intervention.[90]:670–2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War
Guess who was sworn in as a Senator in 1973?
I need to see if I can find how he voted on that
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Found it
No vote https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/93-1973/s253
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The bottom line as I see it...
No insurgency against an occupying power is going to trust us from now on. First we did that in Vietnam... And a generation later, in the 'Stan.
2 generations later.
You forget about the Kurds, too, in Iraq. That's the middle generation.
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And the Flag's down:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/15/politics/us-embassy-kabul-afghanistan/index.html
I think the plan to leave a consulate in country is being reconsidered now that the Afghan government is in Turkmenistan.
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Why wasn't the embassy evacuated while we still had troops there? I guess they assumed the ANA would hold up for a few more days?
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2 generations later.
You forget about the Kurds, too, in Iraq. That's the middle generation.
Is the solution to continue to occupy the country for another 20 years? Better to not make empty promises in the first place or attempt using the military for nation building.
This entire situation sucks, but I feel like the mistakes were made in 2002 and later as every successive President failed to stop mistake and get out.
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Check out this interesting take on it all: https://youtu.be/MPJzZY2iXgM
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Why wasn't the embassy evacuated while we still had troops there? I guess they assumed the ANA would hold up for a few more days?
We still had troops there. We just added more last week so that we could guarantee holding Kabul airport in the face of any friskyness.
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Total sh*t show going on.
https://funker530.com/video/chaos-breaks-out-at-kabul-airport-gates-breached/?fbclid=IwAR3t0D0KQWSjHKbz27kef-BQtDfP3sxJ1luN2n894Ife2J8lFDe262jgFcA (https://funker530.com/video/chaos-breaks-out-at-kabul-airport-gates-breached/?fbclid=IwAR3t0D0KQWSjHKbz27kef-BQtDfP3sxJ1luN2n894Ife2J8lFDe262jgFcA)
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Could be worse, we aren't pulling people off roofs in Hueys and out to an aircraft carrier offshore.
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Yet...
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Could be worse, we aren't pulling people off roofs in Hueys and out to an aircraft carrier offshore.
No, we're using Chinooks and Blackhawks
https://youtu.be/aKPZ0Ldn9Bw
Top: Saigon 1975
Bottom: Kabul 2021
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E80XQfRVUAMH1cF?format=png&name=900x900)
[ETA: the Chinook sure has had a long service life]
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Check out this interesting take on it all: https://youtu.be/MPJzZY2iXgM
Made very little sense, IMHO. I think Dogmush was far closer to the mark.
We saw the same thing in Vietnam. Most of the Vietnamese people were not especially interested in who ran the government. All they wanted was to be allowed to continue their subsistence existence, preferably without the U.S. and China engaging in a proxy war on their turf.
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Not the Babylon Bee
The President is to be commended for the clarity of purpose of his statement on Afghanistan and his action. The Taliban must know the world is watching its actions. We are concerned about reports regarding the Taliban’s brutal treatment of all Afghans, especially women and girls.
— Nancy Pelosi (@SpeakerPelosi) August 15, 2021
The U.S., the international community and the Afghan government must do everything we can to protect women and girls from inhumane treatment by the Taliban. As we strive to assist them, we must recognize that their voices are important and respect their culture.
— Nancy Pelosi (@SpeakerPelosi) August 15, 2021
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/08/15/nancy-pelosis-statement-on-biden-and-the-taliban-is-one-for-the-tone-deafness-record-book/
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So much for the idea that the ANA will dig in and stop them before Kabul. 90 days huh? At this point I have to stop enjoying the train wreck and hope that we get our people out safely.
It's Saigon all over again.
And the U.S. is tucking its tail and running. You know Russia and China are watching this with both delight and thorough scrutiny. [popcorn] :facepalm:
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It's Saigon all over again.
And the U.S. is tucking its tail and running. You know Russia and China are watching this with both delight and thorough scrutiny. [popcorn] :facepalm:
Do you think we should hang around and continue our occupation just so we can say we didn't run?
Never mind. This whole situation sucks. I think the outcome was inevitable ever since W. Bush started the nation building effort (and whatever else they planned to do). IMO, the same thing would have happened 15 years ago and would have happened in the future if we had decided to stay. Now all that remains is seeing if we have the competence to get our people out or if some will fall into the hands of our enemies.
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No, we're using Chinooks and Blackhawks
https://youtu.be/aKPZ0Ldn9Bw
Top: Saigon 1975
Bottom: Kabul 2021
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E80XQfRVUAMH1cF?format=png&name=900x900)
[ETA: the Chinook sure has had a long service life]
Saw someone claiming it's the very same helicopter in both images :O.
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A reminder for the class that if the Departments of State and Defense had obeyed Trump's direct orders to them (to withdraw from Afghanistan) this would not have happened. The people who disobeyed direct orders to pull out, lied to the commander in chief about doing so, and then bragged about it in the media, are responsible for this. Still waiting for them to be punished for the aforementioned, but maybe now illegitimate administration will throw those fellas under the bus to save themselves? One can dream.
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Do you think that maybe we should send an openly gay ambassador over there, just to remind them about who is in charge?
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Do you think that maybe we should send an openly gay ambassador over there, just to remind them about who is in charge?
Which reminds me. Is the pride flag currently flying at the embassy ?
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(https://i.imgur.com/IXjcX62.jpg)
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Rumours has it that several hundred soldiers are stuck somewhere around the Kabul airport, and possibly more are on their way there. How they're going to get out is anyone's guess.
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Rumours has it that several hundred soldiers are stuck somewhere around the Kabul airport, and possibly more are on their way there. How they're going to get out is anyone's guess.
Biden will put Harris on it after he gets back from vacation
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Biden is not the only one on vacation
According to Fox News, emails sent to White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki “were returned with an automatic reply, stating that the voice of the White House will not be available next week” and that she’ll be out of the office from “August 15-August 22nd”:
https://t.co/29s3oAfWbH pic.twitter.com/7vR4E8PSZ1
— Jerry Dunleavy (@JerryDunleavy) August 16, 2021
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/08/15/beyond-parody-jen-psaki-will-reportedly-be-on-vacation-next-week/
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Trump can't be on Twitter, but the Taliban spokesman can:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/08/15/the-taliban-spokesman-has-a-twitter-account/
(I guess that explains Jack Dorsey's beard)
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Which reminds me. Is the pride flag currently flying at the embassy ?
I'm sure they burned it with full military honors, right alongside the Stars and Stripes.
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I'm sure they burned it with full military honors, right alongside the Stars and Stripes.
I think the Talibans did it when they captured the place, along with any BLM flags.
Sidenote: Biden is hiding, Psaki is on vacation until the 22nd. None of the idiots-in-charge are actually doing or saying anything. There's absolutely some type of fuckery afoot.
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Wonder if the Taliban bought any of Hunter's paintings?
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(https://i.imgur.com/be6iO09.jpg)
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No, we're using Chinooks and Blackhawks
https://youtu.be/aKPZ0Ldn9Bw
Top: Saigon 1975
Bottom: Kabul 2021
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E80XQfRVUAMH1cF?format=png&name=900x900)
Saw someone claiming it's the very same helicopter in both images :O.
[ETA: the Chinook sure has had a long service life]
Yes it has had a long service life with many upgrades. No it is not the same helo, the one in Saigon is a Ch-46 Sea Knight, AKA Phrog. I did see some footage of what I think was an ANA Ch-46 flying around. They lasted 50 years in our service.
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Who is hungry?
Taliban.
Most of what is happening was probably already expected to happen over a longer timeline. The Taliban studied how we have drawn down and exited other nations and learned.
Strike fast and hard while sentiment in the USA works in their favor. Waiting for the the great USA media/propaganda machine to spool up and create a reason to stay/fight is not in their best interest.
Some of the media reports from the Taliban seem to indicate they know the American people are being ruled illegitimately by leaders who don't represent the majority.
Our occupation government has really put themselves in a bind with their overreach. I haven't followed the pillow guy at all but nothing has happened that makes me think our current government was legitimately elected.
Other countries are not ignorant of the fact that this sentiment is widespread.
I think you will see more nations trying to speak to the American people directly, knowing that our government is a den of snakes who despise those they rule.
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Have you seen the videos coming from the Kabul airport?
USAF C-17s trying to takeoff and the Afghanis are clinging to the side of the plane. Some people get hang-on through the takeoff, but not much longer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaJvgUpZtNI
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Why they trying to flee? According to Nancy P Biden put
Corn Pop the Taliban in their place. Most of worked because they're laughing in fear.
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42005/800-people-evacuated-from-kabul-aboard-a-single-c-17-cargo-jet-reports
800 people flown out on a single C-17.
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Videos out showing people trying to hold on to C-17’s as they taxi/take off…..unsuccessfully.
reminds me of World War Z when the commercial jet takes off from Israel.
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1427203511662653442?s=21 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1427203511662653442?s=21)
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You know a democrat has screwed up when even CNN doesn't cover for them.
Tapper Rips Secretary Blinken Over 'Ineptly Planned' Afghan Withdrawal
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2021/08/16/tapper-rips-secretary-blinken-over-ineptly-planned-afghan-withdrawal-n2594184
Edit: And NBC https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/08/16/savannah-guthrie-destroys-ntl-security-advisor-jake-sullivan-for-downplaying-saigon-esque-helicopter-shots-out-of-afghanistan-watch/
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Trump can't be on Twitter, but the Taliban spokesman can:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/08/15/the-taliban-spokesman-has-a-twitter-account/
(I guess that explains Jack Dorsey's beard)
I'll be interested to read twitter's justification. Just for the laughs.
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Hmm...
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/08/16/what-the-wow-pic-white-house-posted-to-prove-biden-harris-were-hearing-updates-on-afghanistan-looks-kinda-sorta-off-thread/
If accurate, I don't think this is the first time the WH has photoshopped stuff or used unrelated images.
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I'll be interested to read twitter's justification. Just for the laughs.
One hates women and wants to keep them uneducated and will stone to death any woman caught outside their home without their husband and without a full burqa, throws gays off building, is a threat to world peace, responsible for the death of thousands of Americans, and wants to drag us back to the 14th century in science and technology.
The other? Well we shouldn't judge other cultures.
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Harris speaks!
Please protect yourself and your loved ones - get vaccinated.
— Vice President Kamala Harris (@VP) August 15, 2021
And that's it.
Oh and this was in the article
Harris was reportedly pressed to give an update on Afghanistan to the American people but refused.
White House source says Kamala Harris could be heard screaming today: “They will not pin this s*** on me!”
— Kyle Becker (@kylenabecker) August 16, 2021
That's What Kamala Harris Was Tweeting About As Afghanistan Fell to Taliban?
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2021/08/16/kamala-harris-tweet-afghanistan-falls-n2594186
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“They will not pin this s*** on me!”
The same person who bragged about being "The last person in the room with Biden" who he consulted with and who influenced him the day before it all went to *expletive deleted*it.
:rofl:
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The same person who bragged about being "The last person in the room with Biden" who he consulted with and who influenced him the day before it all went to *expletive deleted*it.
:rofl:
She got zero delegates in the Dem primary and is only VP because she is a woman of color. I don't think it matters.
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Have you seen the videos coming from the Kabul airport?
USAF C-17s trying to takeoff and the Afghanis are clinging to the side of the plane. Some people get hang-on through the takeoff, but not much longer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaJvgUpZtNI
Fake news. I just read that the Taliban are being welcomed as liberators. This video was clearly created by the same studio that created the film of our "moon landing."
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She got zero delegates in the Dem primary and is only VP because she is a woman of color. I don't think it matters.
It matters because she's going to be the President. There are still more than three years left in this term, and it's unlikely that Biden will make it to the end.
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Apropos of nothing, "25th Amendment" is trending on Twitter. I wonder why ...
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Have they arrested the film maker that triggered all this yet?
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CNN reporter on the Taliban takeover in Afghanistan: “They’re just chanting ‘Death to America,’ but they seem friendly at the same time.” #Afghanistan #Talibans
https://twitter.com/sophiabfisher/status/1427277156913139716
Mostly peaceful.
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CNN reporter on the Taliban takeover in Afghanistan: “They’re just chanting ‘Death to America,’ but they seem friendly at the same time.” #Afghanistan #Talibans
https://twitter.com/sophiabfisher/status/1427277156913139716
Mostly peaceful.
Sort of like Jesuits: "We love you and we want to save your souls, so we're going to kill you."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj8n4MfhjUc
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https://nypost.com/2021/08/16/afghans-cling-to-us-air-force-plane-as-it-takes-off-in-kabul/
Shamefur dispray for the US
https://youtu.be/U6zQ6ZqEqg0
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If only we had elected the man who invented the internet. ;/
Al Gore may have been the better choice.
Up until September 11, 2001, Gore’s first term would have looked something like a third Bill Clinton term. Assuming the terrorist attacks would have happened in this alternate universe, we can reasonably expect Gore would have reacted differently than Bush did.
First, unlike Bush, Gore had no particular attachment to the situation in Iraq. Bush’s father started the war with Iraq to protect Saudi Arabia from invasion. Iraqi President Saddam Hussein would later attempt to stage an assasination of Bush’s father as revenge. It was personal. Everyone understands that now. In contrast, we can reasonably assume that Gore would have allowed the sanctions regime against Iraq to collapse while he focused on responding to Al Qaeda.
Obama, not Bush, found and killed Osama bin Laden by circumventing the very duplicitous alliance with Pakistan that Bush had formed in the early part of the war. Gore likely would have borrowed from the Bosnian conflict game plan which relied on airstrikes and very light on-the-ground presence. It’s even possible that Gore would have made a nuclear response instead of attempting to conquer and occupy the entire country of Afghanistan.
:O
I do think it was important that we killed Bin Laden. But that was more a Pakistan problem and a much smaller & simpler mission than the whole Afghanistan mess.
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Bush’s father started the war with Iraq
:O
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Even the Wall Street Journal:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-afghanistan-surrender-withdrawal-ashraf-ghani-kabul-saigon-jihadist-9-11-11629054041
President Biden’s statement on Saturday washing his hands of Afghanistan deserves to go down as one of the most shameful in history by a Commander in Chief at such a moment of American retreat. As the Taliban closed in on Kabul, Mr. Biden sent a confirmation of U.S. abandonment that absolved himself of responsibility, deflected blame to his predecessor, and more or less invited the Taliban to take over the country.
Note that Mr. Biden is more critical of his predecessor than he is of the Taliban. The President has spent seven months ostentatiously overturning one Trump policy after another on foreign and domestic policy. Yet he now claims Afghanistan policy is the one he could do nothing about.
This is a pathetic denial of his own agency, and it’s also a false choice. It’s as if Winston Churchill, with his troops surrounded at Dunkirk, had declared that Neville Chamberlain got him into this mess and the British had already fought too many wars on the Continent.
Just ... WOW!
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Even the Wall Street Journal:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-afghanistan-surrender-withdrawal-ashraf-ghani-kabul-saigon-jihadist-9-11-11629054041
Just ... WOW!
Yeah, I'm almost shocked at how much of the liberal MSM has been calling him out. Even CNN and MSNBC are getting hits in with very legitimate questions. They are also being attacked on the social media for daring to ask such questions ("Trump's fault!!!!!").
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I read just a bit of go that the Taliban had started going door to door looking for people on a list for targeted killings. Much like the recent assassinations of Afghan Air Force pilots who were off duty. I would imagine the Taliban have a very long list and will probably go off list for quite a few. Who didn't see this happening, other than the current administration?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9897561/ALL-Embassy-staff-Kabul-evacuated-airport-five-people-killed.html
bob
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I see lots of folks comparing Kabul to the Fall of Saigon, but I'm worried it'll end up more like the Fall of Phnom Penh.
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The washer is in the spin cycle
Here are the WH Afghanistan talking points Pelosi's office just sent around. They are not good:
https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1427325804611096579/photo/1
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Ive been watching CNN all morning and they’re definitely being harder on Joe than they have the last 6 months.
Yea I know, watching CNN is taboo but it’s nice to see what the other side of the line is doing from time to time.
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The washer is in the spin cycle
Here are the WH Afghanistan talking points Pelosi's office just sent around. They are not good:
https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1427325804611096579/photo/1
Scary stuff. I'm sure the screaming beards are shaking in their sandals.
"We'll hold the Taliban accountable."
Yeah, right.
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So is there no credibility to the idea that Trump's actions were the cause?
I mean it was a Trump platform to bring troops home. It could have been predicted that pulling troops out would cause a collapse, because that should be expected unless you are really optimistic or know something I don't. So Biden getting the hot potato seems like a half reasonable take. I don't think the TaliBlitz was forseen or seen as likely scenario, so maybe the collapse was full-speed instead of the expected slow-motion. It's still embarrassing to engage in public inter-administration finger pointing but did everyone expect withdrawing from AG to go well?
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So is there no credibility to the idea that Trump's actions were the cause?
I mean it was a Trump platform to bring troops home. It could have been predicted that pulling troops out would cause a collapse, because that should be expected unless you are really optimistic or know something I don't. So Biden getting the hot potato seems like a half reasonable take. I don't think the TaliBlitz was forseen or seen as likely scenario, so maybe the collapse was full-speed instead of the expected slow-motion. It's still embarrassing to engage in public inter-administration finger pointing but did everyone expect withdrawing from AG to go well?
I'm almost positive we discussed it here under Trump, and also almost positive that while I was for pulling out, I dinged Trump regarding the accelerated timetable he wanted over a lengthier pullout in stages. That, of course, might have only prolonged the inevitable.
There may simply not be any methodology for a US pullout that doesn't result in what we see now. Perhaps a longer term pullout might have allowed us to bring some equipment home, though it sounds like we were fine leaving it all there.
At any rate, I think one of the main points now regarding why people are "picking on" Biden is that he is a deer in the headlights, and both the President and VP seem to be hiding out. I guarantee Trump would have made several statements by now, regardless if they would have been popular.
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Scary stuff. I'm sure the screaming beards are shaking in their sandals.
"We'll hold the Taliban accountable."
Yeah, right.
They're worried that Michelle might tweet another photo of herself holding a sign.
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It matters because she's going to be the President. There are still more than three years left in this term, and it's unlikely that Biden will make it to the end.
You forgot the quotation marks around the word President.
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At any rate, I think one of the main points now regarding why people are "picking on" Biden is that he is a deer in the headlights, and both the President and VP seem to be hiding out. I guarantee Trump would have made several statements by now, regardless if they would have been popular.
This
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Oh absolute BS. It was an Obama platform to get out of there. Trump just did it. We had to leave. We needed to leave when we had an unhinged lunatic in charge. Don’t think the Talis noticed the Iranian general? This seizure of a country was overt. They were not sneaking in and out of Pakistan at night to get it done. Out in the open with radios running, we could have stuck a hellfire in every commander’s hi-lux if we had the will. FAFO is way more powerful than a please play nice tweet. See any AC-130s toasting everything including our equipment? Nope.
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Oh absolute BS. It was an Obama platform to get out of there. Trump just did it. We had to leave. We needed to leave when we had an unhinged lunatic in charge. Don’t think the Talis noticed the Iranian general? This seizure of a country was overt. They were not sneaking in and out of Pakistan at night to get it done. Out in the open with radios running, we could have stuck a hellfire in every commander’s hi-lux if we had the will. FAFO is way more powerful than a please play nice tweet. See any AC-130s toasting everything including our equipment? Nope.
IMHO is part of the deer in the headlights reaction Ben mentioned we're getting from Biden. Trump would be dropping bombs. A few well planned strikes could have done wonders for ANA morale. Instead of dropping bombs Biden went out for ice cream and disappeared.
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There may simply not be any methodology for a US pullout that doesn't result in what we see now.
For the time being I'm going with this conclusion. It seems like trump and biden are both in the "f it, we leave" camp. Sure they will bicker over how the other guy made it worse.
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I think trumps plan was to move out fairly quickly but to leave a force there to protect our interests and people. Joe just pulled everyone out and banned the contractors and now we have 7000-8000 troops back in trying to get the people out.
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https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1427281255238836229
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E864vKqVoAE9BAs?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Well this certainly knocked Coumo off the front page
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Well this certainly knocked Coumo off the front page
This was planned by his people.
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Biden doesn’t have to talk about the laptop and hooker of the week, CNN doesn’t have to talk about their slimy anchor, etc.
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I think trumps plan was to move out fairly quickly but to leave a force there to protect our interests and people. Joe just pulled everyone out and banned the contractors and now we have 7000-8000 troops back in trying to get the people out.
And he extended the deadline to accomplish this. :O
I agree with the comment about about air support. Showing some support for the ANA and hitting Taliban units on the way out would have slowed things down at the least.
I still figure the Taliban would eventually take over most of the territory they controlled before 2001, but slowing it down would have helped. Now we will just wait and see.
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Biden did a press conference just a while ago and took zero questions from the press. Oh, and headed straight back to Camp David to hole up again.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/16/no-questions-biden-couldnt-get-away-fast-enough-as-reporters-shouted-at-end-of-afghanistan-address/
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https://twitter.com/HamidShalizi/status/1427341653916983305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/ernie-compares-the-blast-size-of-brand-x-nuclear-bombs-2704885.png)
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... and the hits keep on coming:
https://thepostmillennial.com/white-house-outs-intelligence-officials-in-twitter-post
In a Twitter post published by the White House Twitter account Sunday depicting a video conference with President Joe Biden and his national security team, the White House appears to have inadvertently revealed the identities and locations of intelligence officials in the Middle East.
:facepalm:
(but at least we don't have mean tweets)
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You forgot the quotation marks around the word President.
I didn't say she was going to be MY president.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/08/how-america-failed-afghanistan/619740/?utm_source=pocket-newtab
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Well, the MSM didn't last long with the actual reporting.
"95% of Americans will agree with Biden"
https://twitter.com/i/status/1427372450623463428
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Well, the MSM didn't last long with the actual reporting.
"95% of Americans will agree with Biden"
https://twitter.com/i/status/1427372450623463428
I'm not convinced 95% of Americans agree on anything
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"95% of Americans will agree with Biden"
Is that an order?
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Taliban: "Death to America!"
CNN: "They seem friendly"
Patriots: "We love America!"
CNN: "Domestic terrorists!"
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Brian Williams, current "news" caster, former Navy SEEL:
"Biden didn't run from it, he owned it!"
I'm not sure what speech Mr "I took fire" watched, but in the one I watched, Biden pretty much pointed the finger at everyone but himself.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1427386966685913092
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Rumor has it some of the ANA folks are heading back to areas previously controlled by Northern Alliance as a way to survive. Seen it on a blurp or two but can’t confirm it’s authenticity
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https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/08/inside-reach-871-us-c-17-packed-640-people-trying-escape-taliban/184563/
(https://www.defenseone.com/media/ckeditor-uploads/2021/08/16/IMG_0084.jpg)
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^^^
Seatbelts? We don' need no steenkin' seatbelts.
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No, we're using Chinooks and Blackhawks
https://youtu.be/aKPZ0Ldn9Bw
Top: Saigon 1975
Bottom: Kabul 2021
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E80XQfRVUAMH1cF?format=png&name=900x900)
[ETA: the Chinook sure has had a long service life]
Rumor has it that this is the same Chinook. Same VIN or whatever passes for such among helicopters.
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At least 700 armored humvees :facepalm:
Equipment Captured by the Taliban
Ed Nash's Military Matters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSoQOcq837w
Disaster At Hand: Documenting Afghan Military Equipment Losses Since June 2021 until August 14, 2021
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2021/06/disaster-at-hand-documenting-afghan.html
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At least 700 armored humvees :facepalm:
Equipment Captured by the Taliban
Ed Nash's Military Matters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSoQOcq837w
Disaster At Hand: Documenting Afghan Military Equipment Losses Since June 2021 until August 14, 2021
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2021/06/disaster-at-hand-documenting-afghan.html
Those things are trash. Given haji standards for... anything, they'll be inert hulks in no time flat.
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https://warisboring.com/from-saigon-to-kabul-the-tragically-ironic-tale-of-the-little-sea-knight-that-could/
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Rumor has it that this is the same Chinook. Same VIN or whatever passes for such among helicopters.
Piss poor rumor. Long body, twin rotor, must be the same. Wrong. As was mentioned earlier in this thread the one in Saigon was a CH46 Sea Knight (Phrog) the one in Kabul is a CH47 Chinook. Very easy to tell apart even from a distance.
bob
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What doesn't convey is the size difference. I lived with and worked on bit parts of 46s. I did one month trapped in Kentucky getting a helo out of a rework facility that also did stuff that went straight to 160th SOAR. The Chinook is huge in comparison to the Sea Knight. You could roof a 3rd world shack with that rotor blade. Crazy month, the civvie test pilots seemed to have a running competition to outstupid each other. Ever see a max speed MH-6 doing a knife edge pass between two buildings? Ah, yeah... The mighty UH-3 of ours did what it could to represent.
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So is there no credibility to the idea that Trump's actions were the cause?
I mean it was a Trump platform to bring troops home. It could have been predicted that pulling troops out would cause a collapse, because that should be expected unless you are really optimistic or know something I don't. So Biden getting the hot potato seems like a half reasonable take. I don't think the TaliBlitz was forseen or seen as likely scenario, so maybe the collapse was full-speed instead of the expected slow-motion. It's still embarrassing to engage in public inter-administration finger pointing but did everyone expect withdrawing from AG to go well?
A reminder for the class that if the Departments of State and Defense had obeyed Trump's direct orders to them (to withdraw from Afghanistan) this would not have happened. The people who disobeyed direct orders to pull out, lied to the commander in chief about doing so, and then bragged about it in the media, are responsible for this. Still waiting for them to be punished for the aforementioned, but maybe now illegitimate administration will throw those fellas under the bus to save themselves? One can dream.
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Talk about short term memory loss around here, or is it just more ShoveBlue chaff and propaganda? For all the dunces who are doing the progs work by trying to blame Trump for this, shut up and read more.
https://nypost.com/2020/11/17/leaks-and-lies-as-the-military-tries-to-undermine-president-trump/ (https://nypost.com/2020/11/17/leaks-and-lies-as-the-military-tries-to-undermine-president-trump/)
Take James Franklin Jeffrey, a career Foreign Service hack who signed a scathing NeverTrump letter in 2016, then got a post as President Trump’s “Special Representative for Syria Engagement” anyway, and went on to sabotage the president’s plans for keeping Americans out of the Syrian mess. On his way out the door to a cozy retirement, Ambassador Jeffrey publicly boasted that he had lied to the president about troop numbers in Syria.
“We were always playing shell games to not make clear to our leadership how many troops we had there,” he told Defense One.
After the defeat of ISIS, the president gave orders to withdraw our troops — but the likes of Jeffrey simply defied them. Twice, in fact: in 2018 and 2019. “What Syria withdrawal?” There was never a Syria withdrawal,” Jeffrey told reporter Katie Bo Williams. “When the situation in northeast Syria had been fairly stable after we defeated ISIS, [Trump] was inclined to pull out. In each case, we then decided to come up with five better arguments for why we needed to stay. And we succeeded both times.”
The president was led to believe only a skeleton force remained. In fact, there were hundreds more troops that Deep State officials like Jeffrey never disclosed: not to President Trump nor to any other elected official.
And there's more covering their malfeasance when pushed by President Trump to withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Rumor has it that this is the same Chinook. Same VIN or whatever passes for such among helicopters.
Try counting landing gear.
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That said most of the current military Chinooks are conversions/rebuilds from earlier models so there probably are quite a few Vietnam era Chinooks flying around.
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Quote from: kgbsquirrel on August 15, 2021, 19:28:41
A reminder for the class that if the Departments of State and Defense had obeyed Trump's direct orders to them (to withdraw from Afghanistan) this would not have happened. The people who disobeyed direct orders to pull out, lied to the commander in chief about doing so, and then bragged about it in the media, are responsible for this. Still waiting for them to be punished for the aforementioned, but maybe now illegitimate administration will throw those fellas under the bus to save themselves? One can dream.
Really good point that I had completely forgotten about. I'll take part of the blame for that, but I think the MSM has a good portion of the blame for "curating" and/or disappearing that stuff as it happened.
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MSNBC throws the poor, misunderstood Taliban a softball interview.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/16/meanwhile-msnbc-had-a-taliban-spokesperson-on-to-make-claims-that-went-unchallenged/
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The Taliban is confiscating (or "collecting", according to Reuters) civilian weapons as they are "no longer needed for personal protection".
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/16/seems-familiar-taliban-confiscating-civilians-firearms-because-theyre-no-longer-needed-for-personal-protection/
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Finger-pointing kicks into overdrive:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/politics/biden-afghanistan-blame-shifting/index.html
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Finger-pointing kicks into overdrive:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/politics/biden-afghanistan-blame-shifting/index.html
Replied to the wrong post. This makes me so angry- these incompetents are STILL showing their colors. In a crisis, they are scrambling to assign blame, not try to fix/mitigate their previous errors.
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Finger-pointing kicks into overdrive:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/politics/biden-afghanistan-blame-shifting/index.html
Skimming the article, it sounds like everyone involved planned and talked and planned and talked, and no one ever made a decision.
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Got the Monty Python theme struck in my head.
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Got the Monty Python theme struck in my head.
Well, I was wondering if someone was acting as the power behind the throne which was why Biden was hiding at Camp David. However, if someone was actually in control, I think we would have seen something different. This does sort of look like the executive just isn't there much of the time and everyone is on hold waiting for someone to tell them what to do.
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Finger-pointing kicks into overdrive:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/politics/biden-afghanistan-blame-shifting/index.html
It occurs to me that the State Dept has been screwed up ever since Hillary was in charge. I think she filled it with partisan shitheads. First Benghazi, then the deep state stuff during Trump (he should have fired 50% of the staff there) which already affected an Afghanistan withdrawal, among many other things, and now their further incompetence seems to be on display. DoD is not perfect, but I'll mostly take their side on this, I think.
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Biden is abandoning between 5 to 10 thousand Americans in Afghanistan, no plans to help them get to the airport
We should be screaming from the rooftops that the blood of these Americans is on the hands of Biden voters, just like they like to blame us for shootings and Trump.
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Biden is abandoning between 5 to 10 thousand Americans in Afghanistan, no plans to help them get to the airport
We should be screaming from the rooftops that the blood of these Americans is on the hands of Biden voters, just like they like to blame us for shootings and Trump.
I hadn't heard anything about that number of people. Who is still there?
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If Trump was still president and only one person was left the Dems and MSM would be calling for criminal charges
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I hadn't heard anything about that number of people. Who is still there?
My guess would be mostly contractors
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Biden is abandoning between 5 to 10 thousand Americans in Afghanistan, no plans to help them get to the airport
We should be screaming from the rooftops that the blood of these Americans is on the hands of Biden voters, just like they like to blame us for shootings and Trump.
I really doubt they are US citizens. They may be US allies from A-stan, which is certainly bad. This pull-out should have covered US allies prior to troop evacuation.
Abandoning a small town's population of US citizen foreign contractors is too grotesque even for Biden/Harris.
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I really doubt they are US citizens. They may be US allies from A-stan, which is certainly bad. This pull-out should have covered US allies prior to troop evacuation.
Abandoning a small town's population of US citizen foreign contractors is too grotesque even for Biden/Harris.
I don't think anything is too grotesque for Harris/Biden.
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It appears a person clinging to the outside of the C-17 became caught in the landing gear mechanism. I don't know anything about the C-17, but the story suggests that the photo shows the person's body, with the upper torso trapped. Pilots declared an emergency and landed the plane, and human remains were found. Grisly way to die.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/08/17/lord-forgive-us-heartbreaking-footage-appears-to-show-afghani-who-clung-to-departing-c-17-trapped-in-the-landing-gear-photo/
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Even the uber-liberal BBC is fact checking Biden on this one:
https://www.bbc.com/news/58243158
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:facepalm:
It is wild watching white Americans freak out about "Muslim terrorists" while they buy hot dogs and ice cream for white terrorists here (themselves).
— saira rao (@sairasameerarao) August 16, 2021
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/08/17/saira-rao-finds-it-remarkable-that-white-americans-freak-out-about-muslim-terrorists-while-they-buy-hotdogs-and-ice-cream-for-white-terrorists-like-themselves/
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yep
The Taliban spokesman got a question about freedom of speech and he said the question should be asked to US companies like Facebook who claim to promote it while still censoring pic.twitter.com/woXd5RRCWK
— Liam McCollum (@MLiamMcCollum) August 17, 2021
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/08/17/let-them-fight-when-pressed-on-freedom-of-speech-taliban-spokesman-seriously-dunks-on-facebook-watch/
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A reminder for the class that if the Departments of State and Defense had obeyed Trump's direct orders to them (to withdraw from Afghanistan) this would not have happened. The people who disobeyed direct orders to pull out, lied to the commander in chief about doing so, and then bragged about it in the media, are responsible for this. Still waiting for them to be punished for the aforementioned, but maybe now illegitimate administration will throw those fellas under the bus to save themselves? One can dream.
You and Jennifer Rubin are kinda on the same page here. :rofl:
President Biden deserves ample criticism for a clumsily executed, poorly planned evacuation in Afghanistan. (We will see whether he can atone for it in the follow-up rescue operation.) But he should also receive credit for calling out the military’s dissembling about our progress that paralyzed three previous presidents. If people want to know what expertise he brought to the job, look to his ability and willingness to reject two decades of dishonest Pentagon spin.
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Biden, at least, deserves credit for his perception and stark candor. If other presidents grasped what was really going on, they did not have the wherewithal to blow the whistle on a war conducted under a blizzard of false assessments. When the rescue operation is behind us, politicians and military leaders should have to testify as to what they knew, when they knew it and why they were not more candid. That inquest should include past presidents, secretaries of defense, military leaders, Pentagon press personnel, national security advisers and more. We deserve to know who was deliberately misleading and who was merely obtuse.
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It occurs to me that the State Dept has been screwed up ever since Hillary was in charge. I think she filled it with partisan shitheads. First Benghazi, then the deep state stuff during Trump (he should have fired 50% of the staff there) which already affected an Afghanistan withdrawal, among many other things, and now their further incompetence seems to be on display. DoD is not perfect, but I'll mostly take their side on this, I think.
State has been corrupt/incompetent for a long time. They were the morons that fired the entire Iraqi army right after the surrender in 2003 thus creating 700,000 insurgents for hire overnight.
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I hadn't heard anything about that number of people. Who is still there?
White House claims 11,000 Americans. Or more precisely, who "self-identify as American citizens" as per Psaki.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/5000-to-10000-americans-remain-in-taliban-held-afghanistan-pentagon_3952778.html
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This is kind of a pisser if accurate. One of the leaders of this Taliban offensive was released from Gitmo by Obama in the prisoner exchange for Bergdahl.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/reported-mastermind-taliban-takeover-released-guantanamo-obama-bergdahl
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:facepalm:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/08/17/saira-rao-finds-it-remarkable-that-white-americans-freak-out-about-muslim-terrorists-while-they-buy-hotdogs-and-ice-cream-for-white-terrorists-like-themselves/
Wait -- the white terrorists eating ice cream and hot dogs are White Supremacists? I assumed that meant antifa.
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I hadn't heard anything about that number of people. Who is still there?
White House claims 11,000 Americans. Or more precisely, who "self-identify as American citizens" as per Psaki.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/5000-to-10000-americans-remain-in-taliban-held-afghanistan-pentagon_3952778.html
The former Army officer linked in an earlier post said he has a list of 14,000 names, and his estimate was (IIRC) 22,000. That wasn't just American citizens -- it includes translators and others who worked for/with the U.S. and who are not in danger.
As for what Americans are still there -- I'm sure there are American journalists scattered around the country, as well as people working for NGOs, and probably some American contractors.
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Interesting comparison between the Soviet and US withdrawals from Afghanistan:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-united-states-and-soviet-union-in-afghanistan-a-tale-of-two-withdrawals_3953072.html
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Does anyone remember how many soldiers we had in country by early 2002?
I was thinking that when we decided to play nation building, we screwed things up. Had we limited things to support of the Northern Alliance, it might have forced non-Taliban leaders to cut deals to maintaining control and stability. Trying to set up an externally forced Afghan Govt with US military backing probably just gave the leaders an excuse to be corrupt and not worry about any power sharing (or profit sharing). I figure it set the Taliban up to receive support from our enemies also. Probably a lot more to it, but just a thought.
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Does anyone remember how many soldiers we had in country by early 2002?
I was thinking that when we decided to play nation building, we screwed things up. Had we limited things to support of the Northern Alliance, it might have forced non-Taliban leaders to cut deals to maintaining control and stability. Trying to set up an externally forced Afghan Govt with US military backing probably just gave the leaders an excuse to be corrupt and not worry about any power sharing (or profit sharing). I figure it set the Taliban up to receive support from our enemies also. Probably a lot more to it, but just a thought.
If we are going to impose a government on a people, we need to impose a government with a governor, laws, and enforcers from us that will follow those laws. Make the people understand the value of the rule of law until they are CAPABLE of self-governance. (It will take at least a generation, probably more.)
If were AREN'T going to do that, we ought to let the people there set up the government however they want and then decide if we can support that. Imposing restrictions for "self-government" so long as they put in place the right "rules" is stupid.
It's more cargo cult thinking: "Look at all these successful democracies in the West! All we need to do is "export Democracy" and they'll be just like us!"
Of course, I'm not so sure that "democracy" in the West is looking all that successful right now, anyway....
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Does anyone remember how many soldiers we had in country by early 2002?
I was thinking that when we decided to play nation building, we screwed things up. Had we limited things to support of the Northern Alliance, it might have forced non-Taliban leaders to cut deals to maintaining control and stability. Trying to set up an externally forced Afghan Govt with US military backing probably just gave the leaders an excuse to be corrupt and not worry about any power sharing (or profit sharing). I figure it set the Taliban up to receive support from our enemies also. Probably a lot more to it, but just a thought.
The Epoch Times article mentions that the ruskies made a ruthless strongman president, and that we made an academic president, which may be partly why things held together much longer after the ruskies left than with us, and allowed the ruskies a greater withdrawal time.
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Should be a fun uber ride to the airport:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9Avg4-XoAEBU0b?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/17/gut-punch-american-citizens-informed-the-us-government-cant-guarantee-their-security-as-they-make-their-way-to-the-airport/
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Wait -- the white terrorists eating ice cream and hot dogs are White Supremacists? I assumed that meant antifa.
(https://i.insider.com/5604a559bd86ef19008bcea3)
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foutsetnetwork.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F07%2Fbarack-obama.jpg&hash=61a83fee7938f208516180afdc981e6319a4946a)
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Thousands of Americans still stuck in the 'stan:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/5000-to-10000-americans-remain-in-taliban-held-afghanistan-pentagon_3952778.html
A spokesperson for the Taliban said on Sky News that all American troops must leave the country by Sept. 11.
Interesting choice for a deadline.
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Thousands of Americans still stuck in the 'stan:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/5000-to-10000-americans-remain-in-taliban-held-afghanistan-pentagon_3952778.html
Interesting choice for a deadline.
Wasn't Sept 11 Biden's deadline for the pullout?
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Wasn't Sept 11 Biden's deadline for the pullout?
The article says the goal was everyone out by August 31st.
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The article says the goal was everyone out by August 31st.
Thought I saw Sept 11 somewhere
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I really doubt they are US citizens. They may be US allies from A-stan, which is certainly bad. This pull-out should have covered US allies prior to troop evacuation.
Abandoning a small town's population of US citizen foreign contractors is too grotesque even for Biden/Harris.
I'm told they are NGO employees and contractors. Mostly State department contractors.
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Apparently they had an evacuation plan in place since April but with everyone on vacation no one gave the order.
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(https://i.insider.com/5604a559bd86ef19008bcea3)
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I'm told they are NGO employees and contractors. Mostly State department contractors.
I have an uneasy feeling the Taliban may have figured out a way to get GITMO emptied of their comrades in arms. It worked with Obama and he only got one person back.
bob
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The resistance is beginning to form.
https://coffeeordie.com/afghan-resistance-grows/?fbclid=IwAR0XPeWN2Iwa68uudwWq-qjBH8uzVrn30fLpdAxyMs71WhfcQj-M_KZ_EBs (https://coffeeordie.com/afghan-resistance-grows/?fbclid=IwAR0XPeWN2Iwa68uudwWq-qjBH8uzVrn30fLpdAxyMs71WhfcQj-M_KZ_EBs)
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Can you hear me now?
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[img width=600]https://external-preview.redd.it/pqMplieMz4EQ7k7fxatnsO_vaF06BaQPHBihcJ46MHQ.jpg?auto=webp&s=9f8bad587b8126cc82eff104cbcc90560e8ab351
At first I thought that was a photoshopped joke. It's a (unfunny) joke alright, but all too real. The Taliban has better PR people than we do. The MSM should ask 46 about his latest ice cream flavor at the next Afghanistan briefing.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/08/18/the-taliban-discover-gym-equipment-and-soft-serve-ice-cream-but-heres-what-really-going-on/
Also, if you look at the gym videos and the videos of Taliban detaining people, you have to wonder how these guys stormed through the country so quickly and efficiently.
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you have to wonder how these guys stormed through the country so quickly and efficiently.
Not really
(https://i.imgur.com/usAmfhB.png)
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The MSM should ask 46 about his latest ice cream flavor at the next Afghanistan briefing.
Taliban Toffee?
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Not really
(https://i.imgur.com/usAmfhB.png)
True enough.
I didn't say it in my post, but for me, part of it was watching utter goofballs in those (and other) videos looking like the keystone cops of armies. Yet somehow they have held back, waited out, and kicked out professional soldiers, from us, to the USSR, to countless others over a thousand years. It's a bizarre dichotomy to me.
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True enough.
I didn't say it in my post, but for me, part of it was watching utter goofballs in those (and other) videos looking like the keystone cops of armies. Yet somehow they have held back, waited out, and kicked out professional soldiers, from us, to the USSR, to countless others over a thousand years. It's a bizarre dichotomy to me.
I figure it is 1) the other nations finally realized this was a the @$$ end of nowhere and it wasn't worth digging into the mountains to exterminate them, and 2) we won't exterminate them or anyone else.
Just like guerilla warfare going back as far as written history goes, as long as they don't concentrate into one army or try to fight us head on, we can't catch or kill enough of them to eliminate them completely. They keep looking for opportunities to attack. I also have to wonder what support the Taliban has been getting from people like the Chinese.
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True enough.
I didn't say it in my post, but for me, part of it was watching utter goofballs in those (and other) videos looking like the keystone cops of armies. Yet somehow they have held back, waited out, and kicked out professional soldiers, from us, to the USSR, to countless others over a thousand years. It's a bizarre dichotomy to me.
They had the fortitude and a willingness to get their hands bloody but lacked the technology and the logistics. We have the technology and the logistics but lack the fortitude and willingness and the Afghans know that. Unless you're willing to go all "medieval" on them it's best to just keep them isolated and stay the heck out which is what they want.
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https://www.factinate.com/editorial/alexander-the-great-afghanistan
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https://www.factinate.com/editorial/alexander-the-great-afghanistan
“When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An’ go to your Gawd like a soldier.”
- Rudyard Kipling
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Sad but there is truth there ..... :'(
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Sad but there is truth there ..... :'(
Not so sad if you apply it to what Biden and Swalwell say about Americans...
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Not so sad if you apply it to what Biden and Swalwell say about Americans...
Yea, I got that part.
However, I wonder if we have the unrelenting relentlessness the jihadis have .... or are there just too many couch potatoes..... ? ? :-[
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Not so sad if you apply it to what Biden and Swalwell say about Americans...
I suspect that if it actually came to shooting fight on US soil our government would not pull on the kid gloves and implement the libtard ROEs we saw in the ME. They would go scorched earth from the get go.
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Plus, we live in a panopticon where anyone can be easily tracked down and ...
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I suspect that if it actually came to shooting fight on US soil our government would not pull on the kid gloves and implement the libtard ROEs we saw in the ME. They would go scorched earth from the get go.
Yes. We just have to see the signs in the rhetoric of the leftists. There are few limits to what they are willing to do (or order other people to do). (fascists are leftists)
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True enough.
I didn't say it in my post, but for me, part of it was watching utter goofballs in those (and other) videos looking like the keystone cops of armies. Yet somehow they have held back, waited out, and kicked out professional soldiers, from us, to the USSR, to countless others over a thousand years. It's a bizarre dichotomy to me.
In what way did the Taliban hold back, wait out, or kick out the professional (NATO) soldiers of Resolute Support? Or ISAF?
They didn't hold back or kick out anyone. They hid in Pakistan and the Mideast. And the only people the waited out we're the mercurial politicians in the US.
Let's not buy in to the Taliban's own narrative that they pushed out the imperialists or some *expletive deleted*it.
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From somewhere in Pelosiverse
The President is to be commended for the clarity of purpose of his statement on Afghanistan and his action. The Taliban must know the world is watching its actions. We are concerned about reports regarding the Taliban’s brutal treatment of all Afghans, especially women and girls.
— Nancy Pelosi (@SpeakerPelosi) August 15, 2021
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They didn't hold back or kick out anyone. They hid in Pakistan and the Mideast. And the only people the waited out we're the mercurial politicians in the US.
Didn't they basically wait us out here? Professional soldiers left and the Taliban seem to have come out of the woodwork and spread like locusts. I only have the news to form my viewpoint, but that's what I'm seeing.
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Interesting take from John Lovell, who has BTDT as a Ranger:
https://youtu.be/KcbdkxT0GOU
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Didn't they basically wait us out here? Professional soldiers left and the Taliban seem to have come out of the woodwork and spread like locusts. I only have the news to form my viewpoint, but that's what I'm seeing.
That was my point, and perhaps I'm being overly sensitive. The professionals left because they were told to. The Taliban didn't out wait the professionals, they waited out the politicians in the states, who are decidedly not professional.
It's also summer, which is fighting season in Afghanistan, so they would have come out anyway, we just weren't there to keep them penned up in the hinterlands.
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That was my point, and perhaps I'm being overly sensitive. The professionals left because they were told to. The Taliban didn't out wait the professionals, they waited out the politicians in the states, who are decidedly not professional.
No, sorry that I wasn't clear. That's what I meant, and I guess my point as well. =)
While our soldiers were there, things were at least somewhat in hand, at least as much as the ever changing ROEs would allow. Politicians sent the soldiers there, and politicians pulled them out, in this case in a piss poor manner, so there was no one left to keep the locals from doing their thing.
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Someone pointed out in one of the Taliban pictures showing a few of them holding their rifles with trigger fingers indexed outside the trigger guard. The commenter assumed they were trained by by the US.
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Someone pointed out in one of the Taliban pictures showing a few of them holding their rifles with trigger fingers indexed outside the trigger guard. The commenter assumed they were trained by by the US.
Trigger discipline and manual of arms are big indicators that we taught them.
So apparently a couple months ago the illegitimate administration shut down a rapid civil evacuation program that the dept of state had, allegedly simply because Trump instituted it. Sure would have been useful.
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British paratroopers and special forces out of Spain are going into the city getting their people out. 82nd airborne is sitting at the airport waiting for orders that probably won't come at this point. What a crap administration.
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British paratroopers and special forces out of Spain are going into the city getting their people out. 82nd airborne is sitting at the airport waiting for orders that probably won't come at this point. What a crap administration.
Do you have a public source for that?
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So apparently a couple months ago the illegitimate administration shut down a rapid civil evacuation program that the dept of state had, allegedly simply because Trump instituted it. Sure would have been useful.
I just logged on to post about that:
https://thenationalpulse.com/exclusive/bidens-state-dept-halted-trump-era-crisis-response-plan/
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
That's perfect!
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Apparently Biden said he's not sleeping well and needs to go back to Delaware.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/18/is-president-biden-flying-back-to-delaware-for-another-long-weekend/
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Do you have a public source for that?
I've changed locations but it was a British news.
I'll find it when I get back to my other computer.
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Apparently Biden said he's not sleeping well and needs to go back to Delaware.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/18/is-president-biden-flying-back-to-delaware-for-another-long-weekend/
He should try Horse Soldier bourbon. That's what I've been using to sleep this last week and a half.
https://horsesoldierbourbon.com/
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Shouldn't that be pony soldier bourbon for him?
The Horse Soldier looks interesting. I'll have to see if the state liquor store carries it and maybe give it a whirl.
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Except they didn't.
Trump planned an orderly withdrawal.
The military brass fought him on it and dragged their feet.
Then it went Leroy Jenkins after that annoying Trump was gone.
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.......not exactly.
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Here is the photo I saw earlier.
(https://i.imgur.com/bI5Pvpo.jpg?1)
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Keep in mind too that a LOT of the Taliban are NOT from Afghanistan... They are from other areas, and are there "for Jihad."
Or raping.
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6 of 1, half a dozen of the other........
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There are those who say that Afghanistan is going down pretty much as planned.
I tend to agree.
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Keep in mind too that a LOT of the Taliban are NOT from Afghanistan... They are from other areas, and are there "for Jihad."
Or raping.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bigZ1fmwD-Q&ab_channel=527dannyb
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There are those who say that Afghanistan is going down pretty much as planned.
I tend to agree.
You mean Trump's diabolical plan to kibosh Biden?
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/08/19/never-go-full-blueanon-cheri-jacobus-dragged-then-dragged-more-for-claiming-trump-set-a-booby-trap-for-biden-in-afghanistan/
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You mean Trump's diabolical plan to kibosh Biden?
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/08/19/never-go-full-blueanon-cheri-jacobus-dragged-then-dragged-more-for-claiming-trump-set-a-booby-trap-for-biden-in-afghanistan/
In order to believe the current narrative you have to believe in the absolute incompetence and failure of our entire intelligence service and military. The incompetence of the Afghan military has not been a secret.
I'm not sure I can buy wholesale across the board failure as the reality.
For all we know we spent the last couple decades training up and flooding the Taliban with our own people. The Taliban was protected and nurtured in Pakistan by their intelligence service ... who I'm pretty sure we fund. Isn't this what you would do if you were in charge?
This much is certain, the mainstream narrative is a lie.
I'm not finished reevaluating Trump. He had some wins but not many. He made some really counterproductive decisions IMHO. Particularly in personnel. Not sure what his role is in this story.
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Trump would have struggled to prevent something similar from happening had he managed to pull troops out last year. The question would be how he reacted to the Taliban moving back in and/or how the Taliban would have reacted knowing Trump was in charge.
But blaming current situation on Trump implies a lot of people in the Govt playing sides with Trump that we didn't see before. According to one of the articles posted earlier, there were good plans to pull people out on time and probably setting up the withdrawal. None of those plans were executed (certainly not on time) which implies a failure at the leadership level.
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It's okay everybody - Biden is still new at this stuff, and CNN says we need to cut him some slack.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/08/19/still-new-are-you-high-desperate-to-protect-biden-cnn-tries-pushing-a-whole-new-level-of-lapdog-that-does-not-fly-at-all/
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It's okay everybody - Biden is still new at this stuff, and CNN says we need to cut him some slack.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/08/19/still-new-are-you-high-desperate-to-protect-biden-cnn-tries-pushing-a-whole-new-level-of-lapdog-that-does-not-fly-at-all/
Only been a senator since 1973, VP for 8 years, pres for 7 months. Yep, he's new.
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So around 2000 armored vehicles, 40 aircraft, and a ton of small arms. Not sure what resources the Talis would have for using the aircraft, but they might certainly be up on terrorist Ebay shortly.
I would worry not about the armored vehicles themselves, but the stuff in them. I know many armored vehicles have EO-IRs and similar in them with networked GPS connectivity for targeting and whatnot. Could be a worry both if the Taliban figures out how to use them and if it is specific classified tech that would be valuable to third parties. Also I guess they have AMRAAMs.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/19/just-staggering-thanks-to-the-biden-admin-the-taliban-now-has-an-air-force-and-more/
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The same thing happened leaving Vietnam, IIRC we turned the Vietnam Communists into the 5th largest military in the world for a while when we left there. By that time, most of the equipment belonged to the South Vietnam forces. Just like A-Stan, most of it is actually owned by the Afghans.
bob
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Just like the 'Stan, most of it is actually owned by the Afghans.
bob
I was wondering how much was given to the Afghan army and how much was our own stuff left behind. Just curious if we gave the Afghans identical units to our own or if the stuff was "dumbed down" as it were.
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So around 2000 armored vehicles, 40 aircraft, and a ton of small arms. Not sure what resources the Talis would have for using the aircraft, but they might certainly be up on terrorist Ebay shortly.
I would worry not about the armored vehicles themselves, but the stuff in them. I know many armored vehicles have EO-IRs and similar in them with networked GPS connectivity for targeting and whatnot. Could be a worry both if the Taliban figures out how to use them and if it is specific classified tech that would be valuable to third parties. Also I guess they have AMRAAMs.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/19/just-staggering-thanks-to-the-biden-admin-the-taliban-now-has-an-air-force-and-more/
As to the aircraft, a good friend of mine who is a retired Army Blackhawk crew chief spent quite a bit of time with the Afghanis as a contractor training them on the Blackhawk. His opinion of their ability was not very high and that he was only in it for the very lucrative money. He described the whole process as pretty much just pissing into the wind. So if the Afghanis/taliban have acquired any high maintenance aircraft I would not expect them to be flying or flyable for long.
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I wonder if China will buy some gear for intel purposes. It might be export versions, but still.
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As to the aircraft, a good friend of mine who is a retired Army Blackhawk crew chief spent quite a bit of time with the Afghanis as a contractor training them on the Blackhawk. His opinion of their ability was not very high and that he was only in it for the very lucrative money. He described the whole process as pretty much just pissing into the wind. So if the Afghanis/taliban have acquired any high maintenance aircraft I would not expect them to be flying or flyable for long.
No, but they may be a source of cold hard cash from people who either can and/or need spare parts.
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https://twitter.com/JamesWashngton/status/1428183925541806080
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What I'm hearing from the guys in theatre is we left pretty much nothing US owned in working condition. It either was straight up the ANA's, or it met the demil requirements for transfer to the ANA, and we transferred it, or we destroyed it in place. That also tracks with what I saw last year when I was deployed. We started moving the big and important stuff out in mid 2019, and rigged everything else for a quick withdrawal. Things you're seeing on the internet like those drones (Scan Eagles) are the ANA's stuff. The Blackhawks I've seen are all ANAF UH-60A's. (We fly -60L's) the MRAPS I've seen don't have any of the antenna's that would indicate our force tracking or digital battlefield capabilities, or even 3rd Gen NV/Thermal. One guy told me they went as far as slashing the fuel bags in the FOB's if the ANA didn't/couldn't take them before they left. All the stuff at Bagram we heard about (Toyotas, HMMWV's, small arms, ammo, and the like) was stuff we were directed to turn over to the ANA, so export model or lower. Don't get me wrong, a lot of it was nicer then the Soviet surplus the Taliban had before, and I'm seeing a lot of M4 w/ACOG on the news, but it's not current, or even last, gen US gear.
One of my emails actually said the feeling back in Kuwait (where most of this stuff went for sorting) is that the military did a pretty solid, by the book deliberate withdrawal, took our stuff and disabled what we couldn't, got all of our personnel out (minus the 'terps, but we did what we could there) and got to the airport, looked at the State Dep and USAID folks and said "What do you mean you left people out there? Didn't you see us leaving?"
Bear in mind my friends and I are talking on unclass e-mail, so there maybe a few missed things they aren't trumpeting to the world, but not tons and tons of hi-tech gear.
YMMV.
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What I'm hearing from the guys in theatre is we left pretty much nothing US owned in working condition. It either was straight up the ANA's, or it met the demil requirements for transfer to the ANA, and we transferred it, or we destroyed it in place. That also tracks with what I saw last year when I was deployed. We started moving the big and important stuff out in mid 2019, and rigged everything else for a quick withdrawal. Things you're seeing on the internet like those drones (Scan Eagles) are the ANA's stuff. The Blackhawks I've seen are all ANAF UH-60A's. (We fly -60L's) the MRAPS I've seen don't have any of the antenna's that would indicate our force tracking or digital battlefield capabilities, or even 3rd Gen NV/Thermal. One guy told me they went as far as slashing the fuel bags in the FOB's if the ANA didn't/couldn't take them before they left. All the stuff at Bagram we heard about (Toyotas, HMMWV's, small arms, ammo, and the like) was stuff we were directed to turn over to the ANA, so export model or lower. Don't get me wrong, a lot of it was nicer then the Soviet surplus the Taliban had before, and I'm seeing a lot of M4 w/ACOG on the news, but it's not current, or even last, gen US gear.
One of my emails actually said the feeling back in Kuwait (where most of this stuff went for sorting) is that the military did a pretty solid, by the book deliberate withdrawal, took our stuff and disabled what we couldn't, got all of our personnel out (minus the 'terps, but we did what we could there) and got to the airport, looked at the State Dep and USAID folks and said "What do you mean you left people out there? Didn't you see us leaving?"
Bear in mind my friends and I are talking on unclass e-mail, so there maybe a few missed things they aren't trumpeting to the world, but not tons and tons of hi-tech gear.
YMMV.
That is good to hear. Glad to hear the military had their end covered. Sounds like department coordination issues at a higher level.
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One addendum:
We (the US, not just the DOD) spent a LOT of time and effort adding Afghani's (both friendly and not) into a biometric database with multiple biometric entries for each person. I have no idea if we shared that with the ANA or not, but that database and the hardware to query it is now reportedly in Taliban hands. That could be a pretty big problem.
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https://twitter.com/JamesWashngton/status/1428183925541806080
:rofl:
Perfect.
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Seems we could have done some good over the past 20 years had we trained Afghan women and given them guns . . .
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2021/08/18/after-saying-taliban-seem-friendly-cnn-reporter-had-to-stop-fighters-from-pistol-whipping-her-producer-n2594366
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2021/08/18/after-saying-taliban-seem-friendly-cnn-reporter-had-to-stop-fighters-from-pistol-whipping-her-producer-n2594366
Mostly friendly
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What I'm hearing from the guys in theatre
Thanks for that writeup.
Curious on the "export" stuff: Are there set levels of demilling for sharing with allies, or is it case by case? For instance, if we gave something to the krauts, would it have more nifty gadgets left in place than the same thing given to the ANA?
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9KrPv3XEAYjEBG?format=jpg&name=large)
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Afghanistan in the 1950s and 1960s
https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/afghanistan-1950s-1960s/?fbclid=IwAR3eEjBavtLxNF7FEKtEDE4Do0ErfEp6iwyIJJsi9PP1xGX7jv0eVwrClh0
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(https://scontent-msp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/236408802_569865021124036_1649848036826090290_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=UVgQQuVWeIMAX-T1U6_&_nc_ht=scontent-msp1-1.xx&oh=abe283f9dc56eb624c96255939a162cc&oe=614374C4)
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Ouch!
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(https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/attachments/img-20210818-wa0001-jpg.597762/)
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The spin has gone to plaid
Many explanations floated for why Biden admin didn’t get Afghan allies out earlier. Disorganization? People not wanting to leave? Preventing loss of faith in Afghan govt?
Or a more stomach-turning possibility: Biden was afraid of what Fox News might say https://t.co/ubJHkMeEtG
— Catherine Rampell (@crampell) August 19, 2021
Did this save him from nasty right-wing attacks? No. B/c no matter what Biden does, bad-faith demagogues will accuse him of "open borders.” Might as well pursue policies he thinks are right & not cave to fears of how Fox News might frame them. https://t.co/P9Xtzsmc7y
— Catherine Rampell (@crampell) August 19, 2021
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/19/stomach-turning-possibility-biden-didnt-get-afghan-allies-out-of-the-country-earlier-because-he-was-afraid-of-what-fox-news-might-say/
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Man, these people are enormous bunglers on the PR:
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/19/state-dept-spox-americans-evacuating-afghanistan-wont-have-to-reimburse-u-s-govt-due-to-these-unique-circumstances/
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Man, these people are enormous bunglers on the PR:
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/19/state-dept-spox-americans-evacuating-afghanistan-wont-have-to-reimburse-u-s-govt-due-to-these-unique-circumstances/
The people in Afghanistan who are there as employees of the US, should be evacuated (if they want) free of charge. That is part of the employer's responsibility.
Those US citizens there on their own agenda should find their own way out. They have had plenty of warning to evacuate.
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Taliban showing off their new swag:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/ARF-warriors-aren-t-as-Gucci-as-Taliban/5-2479919/
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Taliban showing off their new swag:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/ARF-warriors-aren-t-as-Gucci-as-Taliban/5-2479919/
Well, at least there are no filmless WP NODs hanging off the helmet mount.
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They fit in better to their surroundings vs when they had ANA uniforms on.
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Wonder what their supply of batteries is like
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Wonder what their supply of batteries is like
The Chinese will be happy to send them a lifetime supply in exchange for some U.S. tech.
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Taliban showing off their new swag:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/ARF-warriors-aren-t-as-Gucci-as-Taliban/5-2479919/
I am entertained by the guys carring AK rifles and STANAG mags.
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Americans stranded in Afghanistan rescued . . . by the British:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/brits-rescuing-americans-afghanistan-matt-pottinger
First: big "thank you" to the British military.
Second: to the American leadership - WTF is wrong with you??
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I am entertained by the guys carring AK rifles and STANAG mags.
One appears to have an AK-47, STANAG mags, and a mix various 7.62x54r rounds.
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You can actually see mil transport and tankers in the air over Afghanistan on FlightRadar24. A C17 just took off in Kabul.
Also I find interesting, and understandable, that it appears civilian AC detour around the border
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You can actually see mil transport and tankers in the air over Afghanistan on FlightRadar24. A C17 just took off in Kabul.
Also I find interesting, and understandable, that it appears civilian AC detour around the border
There are quite a few things in the air that turn off their ID or request not to be shown up on tracking apps. I just watched two Turkish Air Force C130s take off from Kabul and then disappear from the app then reappear a little later heading southwest. Usually the majority of military aircraft on the tracking apps are transport types or stuff over airspace where they don't face any dangers from what I understand.
bob
eta: Watching flightradar24 while this is going on is kind of interesting. Just today I have seen C17s from several countries, C130s from Turkey that went to Pakistan and just recently an Air Force E11A (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_Airborne_Communications_Node) (Communications Platform) roll in at 40K and start orbiting just north of Kabul.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9QKXbQWEAc6cOH?format=jpg&name=small)
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eta: Watching flightradar24 while this is going on is kind of interesting. Just today I have seen C17s from several countries, C130s from Turkey that went to Pakistan and just recently an Air Force E11A (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_Airborne_Communications_Node) (Communications Platform) roll in at 40K and start orbiting just north of Kabul.
Yeah, it's circling with Bagram dead center of the circle
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https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1428587360535552001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9NcofaUUAMnbA6?format=jpg&name=small)
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RAF C-130 just left
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9Ni2dLWYAEmyvJ?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Biden is off the hook. It was climate change.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/20/this-is-a-real-headline-cbs-news-gives-biden-an-assist-by-explaining-how-climate-change-strengthened-the-taliban/
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Biden is off the hook. It was climate change.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/20/this-is-a-real-headline-cbs-news-gives-biden-an-assist-by-explaining-how-climate-change-strengthened-the-taliban/
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/x383/WLJohnson1/BS%20meter/.highres/bs-meter_zpsbc50f098.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
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https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1428587360535552001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9NcofaUUAMnbA6?format=jpg&name=small)
[barf]
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[barf]
I have much less respect for him than I did for Trump. I didn't like that life long democrat actor. He did some good things but could have been so much better.
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What people don't get is that the Taliban didn't come back, they were always there. 20 years of cluelessness
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What people don't get is that the Taliban didn't come back, they were always there. 20 years of cluelessness
The Taliban leadership just sat over the border in Pakistan and waited while sending their foot soldiers over to kill us occasionally.
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Notice RAF, Polish, Turkish C-130s and A400s and an non-IDed 737 going in and out of A this morning.
As a side note noticed an Iranian aircraft with a call sign of FLTCK01 belonging to Iran Civil Aviation Training & Service Center buzzing around just over the Iranian border. Did a double take at the call sign. I can't help it if the LT forms a U in my mind at first glance. :rofl: That just made my morning.
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speaker nancy pelosi : “everything sounds like it’s in a good place, everyone just needs to get to the airport.”
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9T4eP9WYAUB2zf?format=jpg&name=large)
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And a US C-17 just took off from Kabul. They climb fast and hard after takeoff I'm assuming to avoid small arms fire.
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Biden is off the hook. It was climate change.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/20/this-is-a-real-headline-cbs-news-gives-biden-an-assist-by-explaining-how-climate-change-strengthened-the-taliban/
Enter the Babylon Bee
If you read our story yesterday about CBS News reporting that the Taliban have been strengthened in Afghanistan because of climate change, you might have asked yourself, “is this from the Babylon Bee?”
With that in mind, Babylon Bee CEO Seth Dillon went ahead and made it official:
Did I forget to mention we bought CBS? https://t.co/9UQZJbhvqh
— Seth Dillon (@SethDillon) August 21, 2021
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/21/babylon-bee-ceo-has-a-big-scoop-after-cbs-news-reports-what-has-strengthened-the-taliban/
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Couldn't help but notice the similarities in the shape of Afghanistan and West Virginia
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Couldn't help but notice the similarities in the shape of Afghanistan and West Virginia
Less drugs in the stan.
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C-130 going in with the call sign ARSON54.
>:D
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Fact check: Joe Biden has never worn a hat that says "Make Taliban Great Again."
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Fact check: Joe Biden has never worn a hat that says "Make Taliban Great Again."
… as far as he can remember.
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Enter the Babylon Bee
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/21/babylon-bee-ceo-has-a-big-scoop-after-cbs-news-reports-what-has-strengthened-the-taliban/
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Unrelated but in the Twitter feed for some reason was this gem
(https://i.ibb.co/fv7pMYd/6-D86-A8-FC-4980-48-AC-84-B3-2-CA5-E8943176.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dgy2B04)
Get woke go broke Patagonia
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Get woke go broke
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The Taliban dressed up in American military gear we left behind when we fled the country and staged their own mock Iwo Jima photo.
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1429174503930613764/photo/1
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The Taliban dressed up in American military gear we left behind when we fled the country and staged their own mock Iwo Jima photo.
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1429174503930613764/photo/1
An important point to remember, which many people want to gloss over.
We did not leave gear behind that belonged to the US military, especially NVGs. 99.99% (probably 100%) of the US gear that the Taliban are being shown with was owned by the ANA. We sold gave that gear to the Afghans.
There are a few things you do not want to lose control of if you are in the US military and that's your weapons and your NVGs.
I wonder if this started as a right wing talking point?
bob
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They've sure got some chutzpah.
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https://www.foxnews.com/world/american-mom-trapped-afghanistan-taliban-biden
https://twitter.com/i/status/1429140083291140105
From the armchair, never having been in a battle: I suppose the better thing would have been to have kept enough troops there to hold the airport and a corridor into Kabul. Were this another reality where the current stuff was going on, what would prevent an alternate America from sending in 5000 Sardaukar with instructions to kill everyone waving a gun between the airport and Kabul proper, and hold that until everyone we want evacuated is evacuated? Seems like that would be an efficient way to hold off the Taliban and every other monkey with a gun who is playing Taliban.
I understand this morning that while currently the US military is not allowed to leave the airport to assist other than I guess a few isolated incidents, there is a chance that the politicians are looking at the bad press and because of that (vs a logically contemplated decision) considering sending troops beyond the airport to clear the way for evacuees. I fear that their ROEs and likely smaller numbers will dangerously hamper them if that happens.
Again, from the armchair, but if you want to get people out with the minimal loss of life at this time, it seems going full Von Clausewitz would be the way to do it.
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^^^I think it is unfortunate that the ready brigade of the 82nd Airborne has not been airlifted into the airport to serve as needed.
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^^^I think it is unfortunate that the ready brigade of the 82nd Airborne has not been airlifted into the airport to serve as needed.
It's only from the morning shows this morning, so who knows about the accuracy, but one story mentioned that military at the airport are frustrated and chomping at the bit to go out, show force, and bring people in. The other story said that there are a number of former military, through private networks, already there and getting people they know (interpreters, etc.) out one by one.
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. . . Bottom line, it’s a shithole and you’d never be successful in teaching them to do anything different they have been doing for hundreds of years . . .
I disagree.
They're still trying to work their way up to shithole status.
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^^^I think it is unfortunate that the ready brigade of the 82nd Airborne has not been airlifted into the airport to serve as needed.
The Immediate Response Force is a Battalion that rotates through one of the Brigades of the 82nd. I'm pretty sure they IS the Army force on ground, along with some Marines out of whatever MEF is embarked in the Indian Ocean right now.
It take a bit longer to get the rest of the Brigade wheels up and deployed.
As far as going and getting our folks, sure, we can do it. Right now the Taliban is not trying to overrun the airport, or take out Americans because we have a cease-fire, that is predicated on not engaging. So, sure, let's go kinetic and get the American Civilians that were too stupid to leave last month. How much fuel is at Kabel airport. We have some gunships from the 160th, but no real air support. How many CH47 sorties can we run with the POL on hand? What's ammo look like? Defense against indirect fire? Basically every American in Afghanistan right now is living on the end of a logistics line that relies on the runways at Kabul taking C17's. If those runways get mortared, everyone there dies. We probably HAD CRAM's there, but are they still there, and how much ammo do they have? Or is the plan to drop the entire 82nd on a combat drop to retake Bagram or Kandahar?
Pakistan won't let us use that ground line to start another war with the Taliban. The Northern Distribution network is mostly shut down and on the wrong side of the country.
So what's the plan? How many troops do you think the Taliban will let us build up in the airport before they cut off that line of support?
I fully agree, I'd like to see MH-60's and CH-47's going out like the Brit's Pumas and picking people up, but remember that is possible ONLY at the whim of the Taliban. If they say no, we can't do it, because that airport is completely indefensible on any kind of timeline.
this is one of those lack of having a plan gotcha's. As long as we were doing the deliberate withdrawal, we had maneuver options, and some logistics. Now we functionally have neither.
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More on veteran and other groups banding together to help people get out:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/afghan-interpreters-veterans-roadmaps-satellite-imagery-taliban-checkpoints
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At this point the less messy solution would be to straight up pay the Taliban leadership with cash/gold/weapons/toyota pickups for every American citizen delivered to the airport unscathed.
Any pretense of being tough, having any dignity or "not negotiating with trrists" is long gone. Just cut the bull and arrange to get the people out in one piece.
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Well it appears someone is hopefully getting out. Been a crap ton of transports going in and out today.
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The call has been put out for experienced trigger pullers from PMCs.
$2k per day, expected 10 days, bring your own kit if you like but some will be provided, need current passport, required skills include trigger discipline and discrimination and general physical fitness.
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Y'all just too ignorant to understand the brilliance of how this is all being carried out.
the work of Americans charged with executing the evacuation is noble, selfless and deeply patriotic. Often reviled by an ignorant public, smeared as the “deep state” by right-ring, they saved untold lives and alleviated a good deal of human suffering https://t.co/L11XeUQj9U
— Jennifer 'pro-voting' Rubin (@JRubinBlogger) August 22, 2021
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/08/22/so-on-brand-jennifer-rubin-dragged-for-claiming-ignorant-public-is-to-blame-for-being-too-stupid-to-understand-bidens-afghanistan-strategy/
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The call has been put out for experienced trigger pullers from PMCs.
$2k per day, expected 10 days, bring your own kit if you like but some will be provided, need current passport, required skills include trigger discipline and discrimination and general physical fitness.
That's me! Except for the discrimination and physical fitness. I'm too old and fat to care.
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I just counted 10 C-17s plus some C-130s in the air going in and out of A at the moment.
Edit: Make that 11
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Well it appears someone is hopefully getting out. Been a crap ton of transports going in and out today.
This completes the circle of failure.
Bringing in thousands of Afghan refugees will result in the rape and death of Americans as well as accelerate the decline of areas they are resettled.
The stupid, just seeing it hurts.
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This completes the circle of failure.
Bringing in thousands of Afghan refugees will result in the rape and death of Americans as well as accelerate the decline of areas they are resettled.
The stupid, just seeing it hurts.
Was just getting ready to post
McGarvey then decided to team up with state house minority leader Joni Jenkins (D) to come up with a way to make the state a solution. The pair then decided to write a letter, begging the governor and the state's eight-member congressional delegation to add Kentucky to the list of states willing to accept Afghan refugees.
Democratic state lawmakers urge governor to make Kentucky permanent home for Afghan refugees
https://www.wlky.com/article/democratic-state-lawmakers-urge-governor-to-make-kentucky-permanent-home-for-afghan-refugees/37368461
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We take in a ton of refugees* in this state - probably a higher percentage per population than most. I only very rarely read stories of crime caused by refugees. Most of them seem to go to school and start businesses, including some really good restaurants.
*As in REAL refugees, not the AOC definition of refugee. Real refugees, fleeing death, generally seem to be grateful for a new start and freedom.
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We take in a ton of refugees* in this state - probably a higher percentage per population than most. I only very rarely read stories of crime caused by refugees. Most of them seem to go to school and start businesses, including some really good restaurants.
*As in REAL refugees, not the AOC definition of refugee. Real refugees, fleeing death, generally seem to be grateful for a new start and freedom.
I wasn't passing judgment on the refugees just posting local news on the matter but I do agree do rarely hear bad things about REAL refugees. In fact most seem to go on to be better Americans than many if not most native born Americans.
There are exceptions though. *cough* Ilhan Omar *cough*
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There are exceptions though. *cough* Ilhan Omar *cough*
Agree -there are certainly bad apples. With economic immigrants from the South, I have often found it's their children that have decided the country that gave their parents a new chance is an evil dictatorship. Perhaps the same thing happens with even real refugees.
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If only there was a nation(s) that has taken in large numbers of refugees from Afghanistan that we could look at and determine how well they assimilate ...
like maybe an England or Germany ...
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The call has been put out for experienced trigger pullers from PMCs.
$2k per day, expected 10 days, bring your own kit if you like but some will be provided, need current passport, required skills include trigger discipline and discrimination and general physical fitness.
Got a contact number?
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I’m concerned about separating the sheep from the goats because you know in these times it’s RAYCIST to investigate a refugee’s background making it the perfect opportunity to insert some sleeper cells into the US.
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The Taliban dressed up in American military gear we left behind when we fled the country and staged their own mock Iwo Jima photo.
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1429174503930613764/photo/1
They've sure got some chutzpah.
From what I've seen it looks like they've got a really good publicist. This really feels like a social media propaganda blitz to me.
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From what I've seen it looks like they've got a really good publicist.
It's called Twitter. Have you ever seen a picture of Jack Dorsey? He's an American Taliban.
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I guess we'll know in about a week who blinks.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/23/afghan-guard-killed-in-armed-clash-at-kabul-airport-live-news
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I guess we'll know in about a week who blinks.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/23/afghan-guard-killed-in-armed-clash-at-kabul-airport-live-news
A staring contest between the Taliban and Biden? :rofl: :facepalm:
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A staring contest between the Taliban and Biden? :rofl: :facepalm:
Biden actually seems to be kind of a pro at staring off into space for long periods.
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Wouldn’t it be great if we could whack the Taliban now that they’re not trying to hide from our forces? Like fill the C-17s with troops going in and start an offensive against them. Have the fast movers ready to bomb the *expletive deleted*it out of anything that looks Taliban running out of Kabul and the Northern Alliance/ANA standing by outside Kabul to nail small groups of T- ban runners..
Ok, it’s a nice wish but still….
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Was just a waiting game for the Taliban. History shows that they just need to be patient and wait us out.
Bottom line, it’s a shithole and you’d never be successful in teaching them to do anything different they have been doing for hundreds of years.
No love lost for the fall of Afghanistan here, except for the lives lost trying to bring them up to the 21 st century.
Wouldn’t it be great if we could whack the Taliban now that they’re not trying to hide from our forces? Like fill the C-17s with troops going in and start an offensive against them. Have the fast movers ready to bomb the *expletive deleted*it out of anything that looks Taliban running out of Kabul and the Northern Alliance/ANA standing by outside Kabul to nail small groups of T- ban runners..
Ok, it’s a nice wish but still….
Ladies and gents, 11 days from "you'll never be successful" to "let's fire the land war back up".
Notwithstanding the logistical issues of invading a country by Air Bridge, do you want a generation long occupation or not? We have civilian control of the military, I know, but the civlian's moods are exhausting. Over the last decade the GWOT has more in and out action than OnlyFans.
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I figure a lot of people were never for occupation, but other issues were dominant. Just my opinion I guess.
Also, it always seemed to me that we were throwing troops out there, but handcuffing them with restrictive ROE's. If we were not going to do what would be needed to really win, then get out and accept whatever end result that adds up to. The BigGov set unwinnable goals very early on.
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I honestly think a big problem was the US civilians were expecting Desert Storm, while signing up for South Korea.
I remember being an E4 on CQ (24 hour duty) when we rolled into Iraq in 2003. Watching it start live I was talking with the NCO that was also on duty and we were discussing whether Iraq was a 20 or 25 year prospect for US forces being there. We expected Afghanistan to be about the same.
Then when I was in Bagram in 2009, I was talking with senior NCO's and Officers there and how the "government" was going and by that point it was a pretty common opinion among the folks on the ground that we would need to keep American ISR and Air Support to back up the Afghans for a solid generation. Not a huge force doing daily combat like early on, but a definite presence to deter folks across the border. [dealing with the Afghan gov corruption was another issue] And yet, supposed Southwest Asia wonks seem surprised here.
Honestly, I am less concerned about the US and NATO citizens still on the ground than I am the Afghani's that were born since 2001. The US citizens had plenty of time to read the writing on the wall. The Afghani girls turning 16 and 17 this year don't even really know what is coming. I'll be surprised if there's less than half a million Afghani's killed in the next year. Not in combat, just straight murdered.
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https://coffeeordie.com/ark-salus-evacuation-kabul?fbclid=IwAR1AMDc6sAjbxavFhxzT3tmgpWb-T9gaikxwKGXMq9D8IiST6sFP_wkn5XU
All of the gates are impassable. Not only impassable but a hazard to human life. There have been deaths due to trampling, exhaustion, or sickness. Way more than is being reported. People have tried to throw their kids over the wall, and they get stuck in the razor wire.
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PSAKI: "I think it's irresponsible to say Americans are stranded. They are not."
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/23/really-jen-psaki-tells-peter-doocy-its-irresponsible-to-report-that-americans-are-stranded-in-afghanistan/
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I figure a lot of people were never for occupation, but other issues were dominant. Just my opinion I guess.
Also, it always seemed to me that we were throwing troops out there, but handcuffing them with restrictive ROE's. If we were not going to do what would be needed to really win, then get out and accept whatever end result that adds up to. The BigGov set unwinnable goals very early on.
We said that 50+ years ago, in Vietnam.
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Honestly, I am less concerned about the US and NATO citizens still on the ground than I am the Afghani's that were born since 2001. The US citizens had plenty of time to read the writing on the wall. The Afghani girls turning 16 and 17 this year don't even really know what is coming. I'll be surprised if there's less than half a million Afghani's killed in the next year. Not in combat, just straight murdered.
Remember it's wrong to judge other cultures
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Remember it's wrong to judge other cultures
I never bought into cultural relativism.
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I never bought into cultural relativism.
That wasn't aimed at you but rather at how the libs keep saying it's wrong to judge other cultures whenever anyone on the right criticizes another country. In other words I'm mocking them
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Ladies and gents, 11 days from "you'll never be successful" to "let's fire the land war back up".
:facepalm:
As for me, I would have preferred we left it all behind after they whacked Bin Laden. Stayed way too long after that in my humble opinion.
I bailed after 22 years when they wanted me to go back to Iraq 1 too many times than I cared to. Didn’t put any time in the “Stan” but had plenty of buddies who did.
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Got a contact number?
Shall I PM it?
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Trump would have B-52s warming up on the runway. Biden's out for ice cream.
Taliban spokesman: “It's a red line. President Biden announced that on 31 August they would withdraw all their military forces… If the U.S. or U.K. were to seek additional time to continue evacuations — the answer is no. Or there would be consequences.”https://t.co/O7nJxo3lp5 pic.twitter.com/PDv2Fn3dDm
— Jerry Dunleavy (@JerryDunleavy) August 23, 2021
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/23/the-taliban-is-drawing-red-lines-now-says-it-will-provoke-a-reaction-if-us-seeks-more-time-for-evacuations/
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Just a concept, but it some group in some backwards-ass country steps up, and actually does an action inside the US (you know, like when they killed all them new york folks...), I don't think anyone would really be all that surprised at a midnight sunrise over their home base...
And it wouldn't happen again for quite some time.
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Just a concept, but it some group in some backwards-ass country steps up, and actually does an action inside the US (you know, like when they killed all them new york folks...), I don't think anyone would really be all that surprised at a midnight sunrise over their home base...
And it wouldn't happen again for quite some time.
Wouldn't even need to be nuclear. Drop a dozen MOABs.
I believe we were morally justified in dropping the hammer on Iraq and Afghanistan. The actual execution was an absolute flusterlcuck.
We should have rained hellfire and damnation on any and all we could ID as associated with terrorism and all their military *expletive deleted*it with the instruction that they are free to do whatever they want inside their own country. But, If they extend their barbarity beyond their borders we come back, kill the leadership again and break all their *expletive deleted*it again as many times as it takes to get the point across. The total shitshow dumpster fire Biden et al. has created in Afghanistan is the end result of not having adult supervision.
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Shall I PM it?
Please do.
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The thing is war is good business, for some, believe it or not. Perpetual war is REALLY good, winning fast and going home is for suckers. The nonsense will only end when We the People realize that the real enemies are within (or above) our very own political institutions.
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The thing is war is good business, for some, believe it or not. Perpetual war is REALLY good, winning fast and going home is for suckers. The nonsense will only end when We the People realize that the real enemies are within (or above) our very own political institutions.
Yup.
https://theintercept.com/2021/08/16/afghanistan-war-defense-stocks/
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How much fuel is at Kabel airport.
Seeing quite a few tankers flying in the area today, more than I've seen at any one time in the past few days.
Kabul has probably been sucked dry or close to it.
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DoD can't identify US planes, SECSTATE doesn't know who the Afghan president is. Whatever Joe Biden has, it's apparently contagious. :rofl:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/08/24/we-are-doomed-defense-departments-desperate-attempt-at-a-good-pr-moment-succeeds-in-making-biden-admin-look-even-more-inept-pics/
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/08/24/well-this-could-explain-a-lot-secretary-of-state-antony-blinken-apparently-doesnt-know-what-year-this-is-video/
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Whatever Joe Biden has, it's apparently contagious. :rofl:
Well someone is claiming the vaccine causes Alzheimer's
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DoD can't identify US planes, SECSTATE doesn't know who the Afghan president is. Whatever Joe Biden has, it's apparently contagious. :rofl:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/08/24/we-are-doomed-defense-departments-desperate-attempt-at-a-good-pr-moment-succeeds-in-making-biden-admin-look-even-more-inept-pics/
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/08/24/well-this-could-explain-a-lot-secretary-of-state-antony-blinken-apparently-doesnt-know-what-year-this-is-video/
Of For *expletive deleted*ck's Sake......
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The thing is war is good business, for some, believe it or not. Perpetual war is REALLY good, winning fast and going home is for suckers. The nonsense will only end when We the People realize that the real enemies are within (or above) our very own political institutions.
I've learned to not trust anything said or promoted by those who influenced, advised or were part of any presidential cabinet since GHB or that have any ties to mainstream conservative media.
Conservative media is pretty much the media wing of the military industrial complex IMHO. For some time now all mainstream media has been running cover for military adventurism.
Anyone with ties to the neocons is suspect, they're open borders globalists and warmongers.
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Taliban says no to Americans in Afghanistan after 31 August and Joe says ok…. :facepalm:
If anyone hesitated to try and get out, you now have a drop dead date……
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Just read we are already pulling troops out and anyone still there in 72 hours is on their own. I'm not sure I can read about this anymore. I'm glad all my friends kids and grandkids are already out of the desert.
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Taliban says no to Americans in Afghanistan after 31 August and Joe says ok…. :facepalm:
If anyone hesitated to try and get out, you now have a drop dead date……
It appears the G7 may have something to say to 46 about that. Sad times indeed when the EU steps up as the American president cowers.
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It appears the G7 may have something to say to 46 about that. Sad times indeed when the EU steps up as the American president cowers.
Obama proudly called that "Leading From Behind". Any surprise his former VP does the same?
Nancy P will be along shorty to tell us again how decisive Biden leadership has been.
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More info on the 31 Aug pull out. https://funker530.com/video/allies-ask-biden-for-extended-evac-timeline-taliban-threaten-consequences/?fbclid=IwAR2oKH_sANaXdYNjD63E7yCrcsy7VCBgzhvRSDiVcu2OgyU5gL10pYfup90 (https://funker530.com/video/allies-ask-biden-for-extended-evac-timeline-taliban-threaten-consequences/?fbclid=IwAR2oKH_sANaXdYNjD63E7yCrcsy7VCBgzhvRSDiVcu2OgyU5gL10pYfup90)
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More I go on the 31 Aug pull out. https://funker530.com/video/allies-ask-biden-for-extended-evac-timeline-taliban-threaten-consequences/?fbclid=IwAR2oKH_sANaXdYNjD63E7yCrcsy7VCBgzhvRSDiVcu2OgyU5gL10pYfup90 (https://funker530.com/video/allies-ask-biden-for-extended-evac-timeline-taliban-threaten-consequences/?fbclid=IwAR2oKH_sANaXdYNjD63E7yCrcsy7VCBgzhvRSDiVcu2OgyU5gL10pYfup90)
Unconfirmed reports suggest the Biden administration is asking the Taliban to allow for a short extension of the withdrawal, to September 11, 2021,
Jesus Christ, can this idiot insult our country any more?
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From the DNC
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1430241346456113157?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9k87PNWEAQ1Imn?format=png&name=small)
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Earlier they had it at 37,000 but less then 5000 were Americans.
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Some thoughts from a guy that has BTDT:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/08/the-day-afghanistan-died/?utm_source=onesignal&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=article
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Some thoughts from a guy that has BTDT:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/08/the-day-afghanistan-died/?utm_source=onesignal&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=article
Interesting that they had an elite force that was fighting well. I have heard nothing about that before. I still don't like the implication that our pulling out is to blame. It wasn't a secret that we were pulling out unless someone made promises they shouldn't have. Then the article goes on to imply why it would be good to should station troops there permanently like we have in Korea.
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If the Afghanis couldn't develop a cohesive, functional military after 20 years of our support, training and untold billions of dollars they never would.
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If the Afghanis couldn't develop a cohesive, functional military after 20 years of our support, training and untold billions of dollars they never would.
They are fully capable of doing that and have, they are run by the Taliban not the Fabulous USA State Dept.
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Some thoughts from a guy that has BTDT:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/08/the-day-afghanistan-died/?utm_source=onesignal&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=article
Good (informative good, not good good) read, thanks for posting.
I knew nothing of 16JUN. That is both sad and infuriating.
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I guess now we know why 46 is capitulating to the Taliban - they are moving to the forefront on fighting "climate change". They really are a good bunch of guys. Go green!
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/08/25/good-news-taliban-spox-says-the-terrorists-are-committed-to-tackling-climate-change/
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I guess now we know why 46 is capitulating to the Taliban - they are moving to the forefront on fighting "climate change". They really are a good bunch of guys. Go green!
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/08/25/good-news-taliban-spox-says-the-terrorists-are-committed-to-tackling-climate-change/
They're going to lower their carbon emissions by not burning the headless bodies but rather leave them in the street to rot. Should make PETA happy since vultures need to eat too.
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If the Afghanis couldn't develop a cohesive, functional military after 20 years of our support, training and untold billions of dollars they never would.
Honest question:
Who do you think was holding the Taliban at bay for the last four or five years?
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Honest question:
Who do you think was holding the Taliban at bay for the last four or five years?
They were, but with our support and backing. Once we stopped supporting the ANA they folded like a house of cards.
No, I don't think I understand all the nuances of "why". But the what I consider reliable 2nd hand information I have gotten from friends and associates that have been there leads me to believe that it is in large part due to a deeply ingrained cultural conditioning.
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I guess now we know why 46 is capitulating to the Taliban - they are moving to the forefront on fighting "climate change". They really are a good bunch of guys. Go green!
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/08/25/good-news-taliban-spox-says-the-terrorists-are-committed-to-tackling-climate-change/
It's really a very good propaganda campaign. Before you know it, the talibanese will be on the UN human rights commission . . . .
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A few years ago I would have laughed at you. Now I can just lower my head and say you're right.
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#Afghanistan: Due to threats outside the Kabul airport, US citizens should avoid traveling to the airport and avoid airport gates unless you receive instructions to do so. Those at the Abbey Gate, East Gate, or North Gate now should leave immediately. https://t.co/InzuVjXhLT pic.twitter.com/6ncsJBEVLu
— Travel – State Dept (@TravelGov) August 25, 2021
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/25/state-department-now-telling-us-citizens-to-avoid-traveling-to-the-airport-and-if-at-the-gates-leave-immediately/
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https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/25/state-department-now-telling-us-citizens-to-avoid-traveling-to-the-airport-and-if-at-the-gates-leave-immediately/
I’m taking all bets on the US suddenly pulling out a few days early and leaving plenty of American citizens stranded.
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I’m taking all bets on the US suddenly pulling out a few days earlier and leaving plenty of American citizens stranded.
Guaranteed
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They are fully capable of doing that and have, they are run by the Taliban not the Fabulous USA State Dept.
=(
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Looks pretty empty in Talibanstan AC wise this morning.
Esit: Never mind, two C-17s, USAF and a RAF one, just popped up. But that's it, much lower traffic than before.
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Looks like if you're still there you're more than likely screwed.
Several European countries said they were halting evacuation flights from Afghanistan, leaving behind citizens and thousands of Afghans who had been cleared for entry, because the U.S. needs time to wind down operations ahead of the Aug. 31 withdrawal deadline.
“Everything is over,” said a 30-year-old teacher who tried to get to the airport. “They’re not letting anyone pass, not even those with foreign passports or visas.”
Thousands of Western citizens and permanent residents are still stranded in Afghanistan, and many fear that they will now be abandoned to face possible Taliban retribution. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Wednesday that approximately 1,500 American citizens were still in Taliban-controlled Afghanistan, and that Washington was in touch with some 500 of them, trying to organize evacuations.
U.S. Allies Halt Kabul Evacuations, Warn of Growing Terrorism Threat
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/u-s-allies-halt-kabul-evacuations-warn-of-growing-terrorism-threat/ar-AANLzDs?ocid=msedgntp
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Looks like a party is starting. Large explosion near the airport:
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/live-updates-taliban-gain-more-ground-in-afghanistan-as-they-close-in-on-kabul
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At the same link
A former translator for a high-ranking U.S. Army Ranger in Afghanistan told Fox News Wednesday the Taliban have begun publicly executing allies of the U.S. in provinces away from the media attention of Kabul.
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The explosion has occurred at the Abbey gate entrance where British troops have been stationed in recent days. It was one of three gates that had been closed followings warnings of a terrorist threat.
A US official has told Reuters news agency the explosion was caused by a suicide bomber.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-58279900
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2021/8/26/d9cd9d05-87e8-4adf-936d-2ab839df7212.png)
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/25/us/politics/isis-terrorism-afghanistan-taliban.html
Not just the Taliban too. Plenty of party for everyone.
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Roughly 13,400 people were airlifted out of Afghanistan on Wednesday, the White House has said.
It raises the total number of those evacuated by the U.S. and its coalition partners to about 95,700 since 14 August.
Meanwhile, more than 14,500 evacuees from Afghanistan have landed at Ramstein Air Base in Germany, the largest US Air Force facility outside of America.
Last night US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said that despite the pace of the airlift, the State Department estimated that as many as 1,500 US citizens could still remain on the ground in Afghanistan.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-58279900
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/25/us/politics/isis-terrorism-afghanistan-taliban.html
Not just the Taliban too. Plenty of party for everyone.
Imagine being caught between those two.
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One of the C-17 I saw earlier that appeared to be heading toward Kabul at the time now appears to have reversed course
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But wait, there's more
Second explosion reported in Kabul
A second explosion has been reported near Kabul’s airport, Fox News has confirmed.
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Another C-17 just did a 180.
Edit: That one started circling to the east of Kabul. The first I saw is headed out of Afghan airspace
Edit Edit: Headed out. Noticed Turkish and Saudi C-130s doing the same.
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News reporting suicide bomber attacked near gate of airport
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I was just coming here to post this but it looks like I'm a little late. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2021/08/26/breaking-explosion-at-kabul-airport-n2594770?utm_source=breakingemail
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Two C-17s headed west out of Kabul toward Turkmenistan. First time I've seen US planes headed that way, usually they go south to the Gulf of Oman and then turn west. Wonder if fuel could be an issue since they may have had a rushed takeoff.
And this just popped up
Pentagon says there are a number of US and civilian casualties
A Pentagon spokesperson has said that the bombing at Kabul airport has resulted in a number of US and civilian casualties and was the result of a "complex attack".
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-58279900
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Looks like the bomber got in a decent crowd.
https://twitter.com/AsvakaNews/status/1430903059752710152?s=20
*links to a short, but graphic video of bodies*
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Alicia Kearns, a member of the foreign affairs and national security strategy committees, said there had been "many hurt" in an attack near the Baron Hotel, where the UK is processing Britons and Afghans eligible for evacuation.
The Conservative MP tweeted: "A bomb or attack with gunfire at northern gate of Baron's Hotel. Worried this will devastate evacuation - so many hurt. My heart is with all those injured and killed."
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-58279900
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Saw something somewhere, can't find it now, about an Italian C-130 coming under fire
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Saw something somewhere, can't find it now, about an Italian C-130 coming under fire
Here ya go -
https://www.newsweek.com/shots-fired-italian-plane-kabul-1623276
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Here ya go -
https://www.newsweek.com/shots-fired-italian-plane-kabul-1623276
Not the same one but yours does say this
However, a government source citing intelligence reports later told Reuters that Afghan forces shot into the air to disperse crowds near Kabul airport, not at the plane.
I think the one I saw was on MSN and I don't think it's mentioned that.
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a government source
Completely lost all credibility right there.
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The Brits just said they will not work with US forces again as long as Biden is president.
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The Brits just said they will not work with US forces again as long as Biden is president.
Source?
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Bidenshitshowistan.
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The admin is blaming the media the media is blaming the admin
(https://pics.me.me/w03ovo-6-via-let-them-fight-14366294.png)
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And on that note something from another universe
One of the most important structural asymmetries in American politics is that Republicans have a mass media ecosystem that always supports them, while Democrats don't https://t.co/e976VmVieB
— Jonathan Chait (@jonathanchait) August 26, 2021
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/08/26/this-should-be-good-jonathan-chait-explains-why-the-media-is-worse-for-biden-than-trump/
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Jets leaving with empty seats…. https://twitter.com/farnazfassihi/status/1430580001066426368?s=21 (https://twitter.com/farnazfassihi/status/1430580001066426368?s=21)
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We just lost 4 Marines in the bombing attack…. :mad:
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Was just coming here to mention that.
Reports of 4 Marines dead and 3 wounded.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/four-marines-killed-in-terrorist-bombings-at-kabul-airport-report/?utm_source=onesignal&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=article
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We just lost 4 Marines in the bombing attack…. :mad:
Has biden apologized to the taliban yet?
:mad: :mad: :mad:
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Has biden apologized to the taliban yet?
:mad: :mad: :mad:
He probably doesn't even know about the bombings yet. His handlers will tell him after they write a script.
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My #1 question right now is: What in the actual *expletive deleted*ck is going on in D.C. right now?
Wholly Hell these *expletive deleted*ers are incompetent.
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My #1 question right now is: What in the actual *expletive deleted*ck is going on in D.C. right now?
Wholly Hell these *expletive deleted*ers are incompetent.
Nancy Pelosi's first tweet after the bombing announcement was about women's equality day.
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Nancy Pelosi's first tweet after the bombing announcement was about women's equality day.
Thank gourd the taliban has promised to treat women equitably*
* I'm sure that women will be inhumanly butchered as impartially as all other "undesirables".
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Has biden apologized to the taliban yet?
:mad: :mad: :mad:
A scoop of chocolate chip or a scoop of bubble gum? It's tough being president.
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Up to 10 dead at the airport now and still not a peep out of Biden et al.
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/live-updates-taliban-gain-more-ground-in-afghanistan-as-they-close-in-on-kabul
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You know it's bad when even the Taliban criticizes you
Taliban say blasts happened in area under US control
A spokesman for the Taliban has condemned the twin blasts in an area they say was under the control of the US military.
"The Islamic Emirate strongly condemns the bombing targeting civilians at Kabul airport," Zabihullah Mujahid said in a tweet.
The spokesman added the explosions "took place in an area where US forces are responsible for security".
Suhail Shaheen, another Taliban spokesman, said the group were "paying close attention to the security and protection of its people" in another tweeted statement.
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Still not a word from Biden. Even Obama would have at least released a statement by now, even if only to quickly say that we were investigating and increasing protection for our troops.
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Probably trying to figure out which desk he's hiding behind to suck his thumb and cry.
Brad
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Maybe trying to get some more people to sit with him in the situation room this time.
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Up to 10 dead at the airport now and still not a peep out of Biden et al.
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/live-updates-taliban-gain-more-ground-in-afghanistan-as-they-close-in-on-kabul
Now reported as twelve US service members.
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Any word from Bidet?
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Two scoops of Ben & Jerry's Don’t Worry, Be Hoppy it is!
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I read a report saying one of the translators trying to get into the airport was right there at an explosion and was rendering aid, including watching a baby girl die in his arms.
Whether you think optics mean anything or not, I guarantee the WH does, and I'm betting they've got 50 people working on a statement for Biden, with no questions afterwards. I would imagine it is taking a while given the continual growth of the shitshow, and that is why not even a single sentence has come out as of yet.
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Also, apparently aircraft are taking fire now. They didn't say if it was ragheads shooting AKs or something more serious.
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Top US commander Gen Kenneth McKenzie confirmed that 12 US military personnel were killed and 15 injured in the attacks in Kabul.
Gen McKenzie said:
US authorities believe the Islamic State group (IS-K) was behind the attacks and the threat of further incidents is "very real"
These might take the form of vehicle-borne suicide bombings or rocket attacks
The US military is co-ordinating and sharing information with the Taliban to prevent a repeat
US forces believe the Taliban have already prevented some attacks from taking place
Isis-K has shot at military aircraft "without effect", but the US military does not believe they possess man-portable air defence systems (Manpads)
The Pentagon does not believe that additional troops are necessary to secure Hamid Karzai International Airport Drones and other aerial systems are being used to monitor events and dissuade further attacks
About 5,000 people are at the airport waiting to be evacuated. To date, 104,000 civilians have been transferred from Afghanistan, including 66,000 from the US and 37,000 from allies and partners
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-58279900
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Also, apparently aircraft are taking fire now. They didn't say if it was ragheads shooting AKs or something more serious.
That’ll put a stop to evacuation and Biden being the pussy that he is will just let the clock run out and not do a damn thing
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15:41
BreakingIslamic State claim responsibility for bombing
The Islamic State group has claimed responsibility for the attack at Kabul airport.
The claim came in a message posted on their news outlet's Telegram channel.
The group said a suicide bomber - who they identified - detonated an explosives vest among Afghans and US forces.
US Defence officials have also said they believe regional IS militants were behind the bombing.
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The Islamic State group has claimed responsibility for the attack at Kabul airport.
Good thing it was only the JV squad.
:mad:
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Riddle me this, why is the supposed President of the United States of America using a LIST of people to call on when theoretically, he should be able to pick and choose them himself?
Why can't he select his own press questions on the fly?
Seriously, the water carriers for this old fool have their work cut out for them.
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Riddle me this, why is the supposed President of the United States of America using a LIST of people to call on when theoretically, he should be able to pick and choose them himself?
Why can't he select his own press questions on the fly?
Seriously, the water carriers for this old fool have their work cut out for them.
The first person he was INSTRUCTED to call on.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1431008329980071936
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I cannot believe this dementia addled idiot is our President. Note that he was an idiot before dementia set in.
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Nobody believes that senile Obiden is calling the shots. Who are the invisible policy wonks behind him. Who is making these disastrous decisions. Like giving the taliban a list of American civilians and Afghan helpers? Thinking isis will help them or let them into the airfield for evac not thinking we are handing them a kill list? WTF?
https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2021/08/26/kill-list-u-s-gave-names-of-americans-and-afghan-allies-to-the-taliban-n411847
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Looked at his eyes. He looks stoned.
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This administration is abomination beyond belief.
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9v5sfiXMAYFkIq?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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Question: (I'm pretty sure the answer is "no") Can the Commander in Chief be court-martialled for aiding and abetting the enemy?
The House of Representatives could impeach him for treason, but that won't happen because Pelosi is covering for him -- and if they did the Senate could remove him from office but that's it; then we get The Joker for president. :(
What about the The Hague? (ICJ)
ETA: I'm not the one who thinks this, although I don't think there's a process for it. https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/fmr-uk-commander-afghanistan-biden-should-be-court-martialed-betraying-us
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The Brits just said they will not work with US forces again as long as Biden is president.
Wow .... if this is true, it speaks chapters. :-[
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I asked for a source on that. I haven't seen anything confirming that anywhere myself.
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Biden: 'US may have given Taliban lists of names'
Biden is asked to confirm reports that the US provided lists of names of evacuees to the Taliban, so they would be allowed entrance into the airport.
A Politico report from today quoted a US defence official as saying the US effectively provided a "kill list" of Afghans who had previously worked with the Americans.
Biden says that the US does co-ordinate with the Taliban on security matters, saying: "Yes, there may have been occasions like that."
"I can't tell you with any certitude that there was any list of names," handed over, he says, adding: "It very well have happened."
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-58279900
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My #1 question right now is: What in the actual *expletive deleted*ck is going on in D.C. right now?
Wholly Hell these *expletive deleted*ers are incompetent.
Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
I posit that stupidity/incompetence is not an adequate explanation.
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Talk about tone deaf
Nice timing: VICE picks today to post its piece on why there are so many neo-Nazis in the United States Marine Corps
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/26/nice-timing-vice-picks-today-to-post-its-piece-on-why-there-are-so-many-neo-nazis-in-the-united-states-marine-corps/
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Wonder what their definition of Neo-nazi is? My guess is anyone that didn't vote biden.
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https://www.foxnews.com/media/nigel-farage-british-parliament-military-cooperation-biden-afghanistan
Not sure if this is it, and it's not exactly official either.
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Personally I think every NATO country should refuse to cooperate with the Biden/Harris/etc administration. No good reason for them to trust anything coming from DC right now.
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I asked for a source on that. I haven't seen anything confirming that anywhere myself.
It's hard to link on this thing. It was a Just The News story. Reading the story and not just the headline it is not an official position yet.
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Some sick SOBs
Who are Isis-K?
Islamic State Khorasan (ISIS-K) has said it was behind the twin blasts at the Kabul airport that killed 60 and injured around 140 people.
But who is this group and what are their objectives?
The BBC's security correspondent Frank Gardiner says the group is the most extreme and violent of all the jihadist militant groups in Afghanistan.
It is a regional affiliate of the group calling itself Islamic State and is active in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
The group has been blamed for some of the worst atrocities in recent years, targeting girls' schools, hospitals, and even a maternity ward pregnant women, infants, and nurses were shot dead.
They are part of the global IS network that seeks to carry out attacks on western, international and humanitarian targets wherever they can reach them.
ISIS-K have links to the Taliban through a third party, the Haqqani network.
But they have major differences with the Taliban, accusing them of abandoning Jihad and the battlefield in favour of a negotiated peace settlement.
IS fighters now represent a major security challenge for the incoming Taliban government.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-58279900
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Talk about tone deaf
Nice timing: VICE picks today to post its piece on why there are so many neo-Nazis in the United States Marine Corps
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/26/nice-timing-vice-picks-today-to-post-its-piece-on-why-there-are-so-many-neo-nazis-in-the-united-states-marine-corps/
They took it down.
‘You are going to OWN this’: Vice’s deleted tweet about US Marines is gone but NOT forgotten
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/26/you-are-going-to-own-this-vices-deleted-tweet-about-us-marines-is-gone-but-not-forgotten/
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But then this tone deaf posting comes up
Yeah, lets just completely ignore the fact that 90 Afghans were killed
I’m being 100 percent serious when I ask this question:
Is it fair to call it a “terror attack” if you target foreign troops occupying your country?
— Michael Harriot (@michaelharriot) August 26, 2021
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/26/serious-question-is-it-fair-to-call-the-suicide-bombing-a-terror-attack-if-the-target-was-troops-occupying-your-country/
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Looks like several RAF & USAF transports headed in. Hopefully the day stays peaceful.
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Some liberal retard on Tim Scott’s Facebook page just called it “the most successful withdrawal in history” and it wasn’t ironic he genuinely meant it
These people will never see reality.
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Nigel Farage: 'No way' British parliament would vote for military cooperation with America under Biden admin
https://www.foxnews.com/media/nigel-farage-british-parliament-military-cooperation-biden-afghanistan
NIGEL FARAGE: The medium-term problem is the resurgence of international terror, already evidence that extremist jihadi groups all over the world have taken great cheer from what the Taliban have done in Afghanistan. And so if we do find ourselves back engaged and, you know, let's be honest, the last few years, we've not seen major terrorist atrocities in the West. But if they start to happen again and we start to think, well, how do we go out again and try and stop these cells that are spreading international terror? How can we do it with the Americans? How can we do it with an ally that is treating us with contempt and betrayed us and into the bargain, many of our own citizens?
Certainly, if it's a Biden or Harris administration, honestly, there is no way, there is no way a British parliament right now would vote for military cooperation with America led by this administration. And that's a very sad thing to say, because since 1917, the U.K. and America have been side by side in virtually every major conflict. We've been the closest allies in terms of military action, in terms of intelligence sharing, in terms of culture, in terms of business. You couldn't have a better ally in the world. And right at the moment, I'm sorry, but there's no way we could enter into another operation with you.
Military Arms Channel posted a quote from this on his Instagram page. I found this when I searched by the name.
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Notice aircraft going in mostly disappear off FlightRadar24's screen when they get into Afghanistan now. They always did this to some extent due to dead spots but now almost the entire country is a dead spot. Wonder if the DOD requested this?
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Obama is heart broken. Who cares?
And I have to agree with this
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has criticised the West in the wake of the Kabul bombings.
"A lesson must be learned: Attempts to impose an alien system of values are quite explosive," he told a news conference in Rome after talks with his Italian counterpart, as quoted by the Interfax news agency.
"I hope that politicians who contemplate further action in foreign lands will have this conclusion entrenched in their minds at [the] third time of asking."
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-58279900
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The death toll from Thursday's attack at Kabul airport has increased to more than 170, a health official says. The BBC is working to verify this figure
Along with dozens of Afghans killed in the incident were 13 US personnel, two British nationals and the child of a British national
The US has said it will "hunt down" those responsible for the attack - a powerful bomb blast that a local branch of the Islamic State group said it carried out
President Joe Biden has been warned by his national security team that another terror attack in the Afghan capital is likely in the coming days
US officials say the hours leading up to the withdrawal deadline of 31 August will be "the most dangerous period to date". Its mission to evacuate people from Kabul will continue "right up until the last moment", the Pentagon said
British troops, meanwhile, have been wrapping-up evacuations at Kabul airport and the BBC has been told their mission will end in a matter of hours
Many other countries - including Germany, Spain, France, Canada and Australia - have ended their evacuation operations
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-58279900
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Slight tangent, but this seems like something the pro gun entities here in the US need to run with in a big media blitz:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/taliban-demand-afghans-hand-over-guns-ammo-within-a-week_3968711.html
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I wonder if they will broadcast the killings once the have them disarmed?
In other news that won't be surprising to anyone, the resistance in northern Afghanistan has had no response from the administration.
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Slight tangent, but this seems like something the pro gun entities here in the US need to run with in a big media blitz:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/taliban-demand-afghans-hand-over-guns-ammo-within-a-week_3968711.html
The Taliban and Joe Biden Agree – Civilians Don’t Need to Own Firearms
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-taliban-and-joe-biden-agree-civilians-dont-need-to-own-firearms/
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.@JenGriffinFNC: "How many ISIS-K prisoners were left at Bagram and believed to have been released from the prison there & why weren't they removed before the U.S. pulled out to some place like Gitmo?"
Kirby: "Well, I don't know the exact number. Clearly, it's in the thousands" pic.twitter.com/yUdIz0l32H
— Curtis Houck (@CurtisHouck) August 27, 2021
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/27/thats-astonishing-pentagon-spokesman-tells-jennifer-griffin-how-many-isis-k-prisoners-the-taliban-have-released/
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/aug/28/afghanistan-live-news-uks-ability-to-process-evacuations-extremely-reduced-as-us-on-alert-for-further-attacks
US drone strike kills ISIS member involved in planning attacks in Kabul.
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We should have dropped some MOAB's on them before they got anywhere close.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/aug/28/afghanistan-live-news-uks-ability-to-process-evacuations-extremely-reduced-as-us-on-alert-for-further-attacks
US drone strike kills ISIS member involved in planning attacks in Kabul.
Supposedly involved. I believe very little coming out of this admin
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What a lot of our woke folk don't seem to understand is that the Taliban are not necessarily Afghans... They attracted a lot of jihadists from other countries.
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Supposedly involved. I believe very little coming out of this admin
I agree. This could have been some goat herders son. This administration has lost all of me. I would say more but all you would see is those funny characters we don't use often.
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I just went to the news story I read and did what I never do, read the comments. No one believes this administration.
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The only people who say that they do are the ones who hated Trump so much that they promoted a guy who was mentored by a KKK leader...
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42173/america-strikes-backs-at-isis-k-in-afghanistan
More details.
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That’s the platform I’m working on now at the MQ-9 program office as a PM. Amazing how many things that platform carries and can do.
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Most Democrats aren't as stupid as Biden are they?
Because all this seems really, really stupid.
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That’s the platform I’m working on now at the MQ-9 program office as a PM. Amazing how many things that platform carries and can do.
Very versatile UAS. I did some joint missions on one of the prototypes, the NASA Altair. Rigged for up to 65K feet. We froze up a few electronics learning to use that altitude. Irritated GA. =)
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I wonder if they will broadcast the killings once the have them disarmed?
In other news that won't be surprising to anyone, the resistance in northern Afghanistan has had no response from the administration.
One of my buddies sent me a video clip of the Tali’s shooting 8 guys in the back of the head so yes I’d say they will publicize the killings. They lose nothing by doing so and increase the fear of them.
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They give about as much thought in shooting someone in the back of head for what ever reason as you do picking up a piece of trash in your yard.
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Been a fairly steady stream of tankers going in.
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Most Democrats aren't as stupid as Biden are they?
Because all this seems really, really stupid.
I believe a majority are, and that's unfortunate for our country. They tend to make emotional decisions rather than rational decisions. What we are seeing now is the result of that stupidity.
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Of course, after a few months go by, and all the hostage torture and murder takes place , there will be a big outcry we have to "DO SOMETHING", and the whole circus will start over, except this time against a Chinese funded Taliban army equipped with all the gear we left, and fully entrenched over the whole place.
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Most Democrats aren't as stupid as Biden are they?
Because all this seems really, really stupid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPMMNvYTEyI
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I believe a majority are, and that's unfortunate for our country. They tend to make emotional decisions rather than rational decisions. What we are seeing now is the result of that stupidity.
Plus I just saw we, to this point from 21JAN, have let 1.4 million illegals in at the Southern border, who, if all this "voting rights" stuff goes through, will vote what party?
Of note, at this rate, by 31DEC more illegals will have come in this year than the entire population of Idaho. In less than one year. Let that sink in.
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So how do you stop the retired service members from speaking their mind?
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/28/daily-wire-both-active-duty-and-retired-naval-intelligence-members-told-they-cannot-disrespect-president-biden/
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We must all remember what we learned from Star Trek: "The needs of the political class outweigh the needs of the many left behind in harms way."
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The first person he was INSTRUCTED to call on.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1431008329980071936
How can anyone look at that video and not think Biden is "out to lunch?" His eyes and facial expressions are totally lifeless. Put the poor man out to pasture.
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So how do you stop the retired service members from speaking their mind?
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/28/daily-wire-both-active-duty-and-retired-naval-intelligence-members-told-they-cannot-disrespect-president-biden/
You can’t. At least this retired Air Force guy won’t shut up and color anymore
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So how do you stop the retired service members from speaking their mind?
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/28/daily-wire-both-active-duty-and-retired-naval-intelligence-members-told-they-cannot-disrespect-president-biden/
More importantly, where was this directive from Jan 2017 to Jan 2021? ???
BTW, they can pretty much line up to kiss my ass and I don't care how long or how high the line goes.
bob
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You can’t. At least this retired Air Force guy won’t shut up and color anymore
And you shouldn't. You have first-hand, specific knowledge of a very specific subject. That is rare, especially is this talking-head-knows-all-world of instant information.
Use your knowledge for good, not evil, you should. /Yoda.
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How can anyone look at that video and not think Biden is "out to lunch?" His eyes and facial expressions are totally lifeless. Put the poor man out to pasture.
Biden/Harris are figure heads.
Here's who is running the Federal Government.
https://theintercept.com/2021/07/06/westexec-biden-administration/
Of course, there is most likely another layer to the onion telling them what to do ...
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"Carpet bombing" - 19 years ago.
That would have solve that problem.
There was a movie in 1970 called "Colossus: The Forbin Project". The AI computer at one point tells Dr. Forbin that Earth would have the "peace" of Colossus or they would have the peace of unburied dead. That is what Afghanistan needs.
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Biden/Harris are figure heads.
Here's who is running the Federal Government.
https://theintercept.com/2021/07/06/westexec-biden-administration/
Of course, there is most likely another layer to the onion telling them what to do ...
Wow. That was some interesting reading.
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It certainly explains a lot. The Republic is an illusion at this point.
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So how do you stop the retired service members from speaking their mind?
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/28/daily-wire-both-active-duty-and-retired-naval-intelligence-members-told-they-cannot-disrespect-president-biden/
Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t most separated (whether just didn’t re-enlist or retired) military part of the “inactive ready reserve” for some number of years? As such could they recall you to active duty and court-martial you if you disparage the POTUS?
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Well they didn't do anything the last several years. At the same time there are many stories I can't tell here.
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Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t most separated (whether just didn’t re-enlist or retired) military part of the “inactive ready reserve” for some number of years?
Does not apply to retirees.
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Very versatile UAS. I did some joint missions on one of the prototypes, the NASA Altair. Rigged for up to 65K feet. We froze up a few electronics learning to use that altitude. Irritated GA. =)
"How'd you solve the icing issue?" - Anthony Stark =D
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"How'd you solve the icing issue?" - Anthony Stark =D
According to Airwolf, that's a feature, not a bug. (Moffet's Ghost episode)
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Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t most separated (whether just didn’t re-enlist or retired) military part of the “inactive ready reserve” for some number of years? As such could they recall you to active duty and court-martial you if you disparage the POTUS?
No.
Folks do stay in the IRR for a while after separating, but IRR members aren't subject to UCMJ unless actually on orders. Even if they could convince someone to cut recall orders for this, they couldn't hem you up for stuff said while a civilian.
I suspect the worst ONI could do to a retiree is yank a clearance, making those sweet contractor gigs off limits.
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No.
Folks do stay in the IRR for a while after separating, but IRR members aren't subject to UCMJ unless actually on orders. Even if they could convince someone to cut recall orders for this, they couldn't hem you up for stuff said while a civilian.
I suspect the worst ONI could do to a retiree is yank a clearance, making those sweet contractor gigs off limits.
Those collecting actual retirement, and retired officers, may be different.
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Most Democrats aren't as stupid as Biden are they?
Because all this seems really, really stupid.
Someone heard you ask
Honey, YOU own this! Blue-check who thought Biden taking his jacket off was SEXY now blaming Trump for making her vote for Sleepy Joe
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/08/29/honey-you-own-this-blue-check-who-thought-biden-taking-his-jacket-off-was-sexy-now-blaming-trump-for-making-her-vote-for-sleepy-joe/
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(https://i.ibb.co/HzybWB6/6-F0-C67-AA-DC82-41-F3-A5-A2-C4926-B3-A79-DB.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
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Wait, American citizens are being turned away at the airport gate by US soldiers?
Shows what a sorry state of affairs we're in nowadays when I want to call bull on that can't bring myself to do so
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Wait, American citizens are being turned away at the airport gate by US soldiers?
Shows what a sorry state of affairs we're in nowadays when I want to call bull on that can't bring myself to do so
Any other time I would call bull also but this flusterlcuck I believe it.
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This might be damning, if true:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E968uk5WEAMPXWR?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/08/29/game-set-match-here-is-the-key-fk-up-in-afghanistan-by-the-biden-administration-oops-guess-it-wasnt-trumps-fault/
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"How'd you solve the icing issue?" - Anthony Stark =D
Avoid it…..
Our Global Hawk didn’t have anti-icing features on the engine intake or wings so we had to avoid or not fly in icing conditions
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https://babylonbee.com/news/white-house-sends-beto-to-help-taliban-confiscate-afghans-weapons
KABUL—After the Taliban announced that Afghans would have to turn in their guns, the White House has sent Beto O'Rourke to Kabul to help out.
Biden quickly praised the proposal and offered to send the gun confiscation expert and failed congressional candidate to go help take everybody's guns.
I'm actually quite comfortable with sending Beta to the 'stan ...
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There was a movie in 1970 called "Colossus: The Forbin Project". The AI computer at one point tells Dr. Forbin that Earth would have the "peace" of Colossus or they would have the peace of unburied dead. That is what Afghanistan needs.[/size][/font]
I enjoyed the book when I read it as a kid decades ago. I wonder how well it would hold up if I were to re-read it today and after seeing the movie.
https://smile.amazon.com/Colossus-The-Forbin-Project/dp/B0018S012U/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=the+forbin+project&qid=1630272906&rnid=2941120011&s=books&sr=1-3 (https://smile.amazon.com/Colossus-The-Forbin-Project/dp/B0018S012U/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=the+forbin+project&qid=1630272906&rnid=2941120011&s=books&sr=1-3)
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I’m proud of @POTUS and the incredible job he’s doing. He’s the right person for the job in this moment in history. #IStandWithBiden
— Alyssa Milano (@Alyssa_Milano) August 29, 2021
I’d hate to see what the wrong person would have done. https://t.co/CC9pIvQNXa
— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) August 29, 2021
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Afghanistan: 5 rockets fired at Kabul airport, intercepted by US system
Five rockets were fired early Monday at the Kabul airport and intercepted by a U.S. C-RAM missile defense system, a defense official told Fox News’ Jennifer Griffin.
U.S. Central Command did not immediately respond to an email from Fox News for additional details.
Jen Psaki, the White House press secretary, said in a press release that President Bide has been informed about the development by his top aides-- Jake Sullivan, his national security adviser, and Ron Klain, his chief of staff.
Click here for full story
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kabul-airport-targeted-in-rocket-attack-foiled-by-us-system
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CTK6azeLPIN/?utm_medium=copy_link
I haven't seen mention of this anywhere else. Mrgunsngear posted a screen shot of someone complaining that a general made them clean a base before turning it over the Taliban. Might be more to it.
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In case the class is interested:
https://www.tf515.marines.mil/About/Leaders/Leaders-View/Article/621293/brig-gen-farrell-j-sullivan/
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It's hard to know what is really going on with our only source of information being the media.
I don't believe the current narrative just because it is being promulgated by provable known liars.
Whatever is going on you have to be in the loop of "need to know" to actually know and you know the rest of the saying.
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Wow! They don't pull any punches in this
It's 'hard to exaggerate' how 'dangerously bad' US President Joe Biden is
Sky News Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KYzf-88lZk
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More
Mental decline of 'utterly deplorable and inept' President Biden 'can't be ignored'
Sky News Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UacN76pLYc
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Sorry posted those here when they should have in in the Biden thread.
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Wow! They don't pull any punches in this
It's 'hard to exaggerate' how 'dangerously bad' US President Joe Biden is
Sky News Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KYzf-88lZk
More from Sky News:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UacN76pLYc
Sorry! WLJ beat me to it.
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Man, he is the biggest asshat in the world:
Jim Acosta
@Acosta
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Aug 28
My thoughts on Afghanistan this week... now is not the time to score political points. Just imagine just this once if we simply offered our thoughts and prayers. Give it some thought. Pray on it.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/30/unreal-jim-acosta-says-now-is-not-the-time-to-score-political-points-on-the-president-trips-over-jim-acosta/
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And it keeps getting better and better
Wait – the Taliban Offered Control of Kabul to US Forces...And We Turned Them Down?
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/08/30/waitthe-taliban-offered-control-of-kabul-to-us-forcesand-we-turned-them-down-n2594951
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(https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/afb083021dAPR20210830044504.jpg)
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(https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gv082821dAPC20210827074502.jpg)
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Afghanistan: 5 rockets fired at Kabul airport, intercepted by US system
Five rockets were fired early Monday at the Kabul airport and intercepted by a U.S. C-RAM missile defense system, a defense official told Fox News’ Jennifer Griffin.
U.S. Central Command did not immediately respond to an email from Fox News for additional details.
Jen Psaki, the White House press secretary, said in a press release that President Bide has been informed about the development by his top aides-- Jake Sullivan, his national security adviser, and Ron Klain, his chief of staff.
Click here for full story
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kabul-airport-targeted-in-rocket-attack-foiled-by-us-system
I wonder if the Hiden/Barrisment administration will insist our military leave that antimissile system behind for the Taliban?
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From the press meeting this morning the system only hit one of the five.
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C-RAM's are pretty capable systems, but are still physics based. Multiple targets with low flight time and low trajectories are challenging. They need some time to detect, calculate intercept, slew the gun, and fire.
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I wonder if the Hiden/Barrisment administration will insist our military leave that antimissile system behind for the Taliban?
If they have to choose between the system and more Afghans, I see it being left behind for the Chinese
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They weren't very accurate rockets so it may have ignored the ones that were going to miss the airport.
I figure some group will get a mortar set up within the next 12 hours.
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They weren't very accurate rockets so it may have ignored the ones that were going to miss the airport.
I figure some group will get a mortar set up within the next 12 hours.
Mortar that runway bad enough a C17 can't land and we're right *expletive deleted*ed.
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https://twitter.com/_Will_Brown/status/1431912098590871553?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E98sb7xXIAcudO4?format=jpg&name=large)
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Wait a tic. There's a Cessna AC-208 Caravan? You can get a Caravan armed with Hellfires? Do my friends in Alaska know this? Because this changes hunting in the bush completely.
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Wait a tic. There's a Cessna AC-208 Caravan? You can get a Caravan armed with Hellfires? Do my friends in Alaska know this? Because this changes hunting in the bush completely.
AC-208: America’s Cessna that shoots Hellfire missiles
https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/ac-208-americas-cessna-that-shoots-hellfire-missiles/
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Most of that stuff was provided for ANA who left it behind when they ran…
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REPORTER: "Is the U.S. more or less safe today than we were before the Taliban took over?"
PSAKI: "We are not going to do anything that's going to allow terrorists to grow or prosper in Afghanistan." pic.twitter.com/VcWIrIV5i0
— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) August 30, 2021
We already did. https://t.co/n8uKwlorkS
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) August 30, 2021
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/08/30/katie-pavlich-has-breaking-news-for-jen-psaki-after-she-claimed-bidens-not-going-to-let-terrorists-thrive-in-afghanistan/
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Most of that stuff was provided for ANA who left it behind when they ran…
I would imagine the 16,000 NODs are then something like 4G Photonis units or some other gen2 stuff versus filmless WP?
Which isn't too shabby. If you look at comparison videos with 50% or better moon, you really can't tell the difference between Photonis and high FOM filmless WP. It would definitely be a step up for the Taliban, though our guys with the filmless stuff would still mostly own the very dark night, I think. You lose the advantage of IR lasers though, even if the enemy only has Photonis.
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4 tankers and at least 3 C17s outbound. Stick a fork in the evacuation it is over. All military out of country. Now the killings can start in earnest. =|
bob
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Was there anything this administration can't *expletive deleted*ck up?
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Was there anything this administration can't *expletive deleted*ck up?
They've only just begun. :(
bob
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News media is reporting the last American plane and troops is wheels up from Kabul.
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News media is reporting the last American plane and troops is wheels up from Kabul.
It's 1:46am Aug 31st there
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Grabbed this from a Taliban Twitter account — a Taliban-piloted UH-60 Black Hawk hovering over Kandahar with what appears to be a person, or maybe a statue, hanging from a cable underneath pic.twitter.com/36HFMLEwmn
— 𝘽𝙧𝙮𝙖𝙣 𝙋𝙖𝙨𝙨𝙞𝙛𝙞𝙪𝙢𝙚 (@BryanPassifiume) August 30, 2021
The Taliban are hanging a person, presumably an American interpreter or SIV, from a Black Hawk helicopter. You cannot reason with terrorists. pic.twitter.com/P78O1RvQ1I
— Ian Miles Cheong @ stillgray.substack.com (@stillgray) August 30, 2021
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News media is reporting the last American plane and troops is wheels up from Kabul.
Any report on how many Americans and eligible Afghanis we left behind?
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Did we leave behind one of those also? :O
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They've only just begun. :(
bob
Yes, still year #1.
Don't worry, I am sure the news media will tell you his approval rating is still higher than Trump's.
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Did we leave behind one of those also? :O
what we should be doing right now.
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Any report on how many Americans and eligible Afghanis we left behind?
It is a bunch. I'm going to have to spend some time in the ac to cool off from the heat this afternoon then take a stomach pill before I can watch anymore news.
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As a former submariner, I approve of this message.
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Any report on how many Americans and eligible Afghanis we left behind?
You mean how many soon to be hostages and soon to be headless bodies did we leave behind?
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You mean how many soon to be hostages and soon to be headless bodies did we leave behind?
Yes, that is what I meant. Thank you for clarifying.
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President Biden to speak Tuesday afternoon about the decision to end the airlift out of Afghanistan
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/30/president-biden-to-speak-tuesday-afternoon-about-the-decision-to-end-the-airlift-out-of-afghanistan/
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I just saw a spokesman for the administration explain that we're shifting from a military operation to a diplomatic effort to evacuate the remaining people. I think that's politispeak for "now our only option is to ask the Taliban to not kill these people as they try to leave". So I guess we are hoping for a kinder, gentler Taliban.
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I just saw a spokesman for the administration explain that we're shifting from a military operation to a diplomatic effort to evacuate the remaining people. I think that's politispeak for "now our only option is to ask the Taliban to not kill these people as they try to leave". So I guess we are hoping for a kinder, gentler Taliban.
Diplomatic effort in this case no doubt will be $$$$ on our part
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Diplomatic effort in this case no doubt will be $$$$ on our part
If they try to ship pallets of cash, I hope someone arranges to steal it.
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Diplomatic effort in this case no doubt will be $$$$ on our part
This might be a good time to empty Gitmo.
Figure out the proper ratio: X of ours for Y of theirs and make the trade.
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If they try to ship pallets of cash, I hope someone arranges to steal it.
They don't have to ship them. They left them there.
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Only AC going in or out now are KAM Air AC
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On 22 February 2021, Kam Air operated Afghanistan's first ever all-female crew flight. The airline's first female Afghan pilot, 22-year-old Mohadese Mirzaee, joined Captain Veronica Borysova from Ukraine in piloting the Boeing 737-500 from Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul to Herat. The event made global headlines and was first covered by Josh Cahill who organised the flight, and later featured on the BBC, DW and the Business Insider. [6][7] The flight took 90 minutes.[8][9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kam_Air
Well I guess this won't be happening again anytime soon.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CTNeUDVLUYF/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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If he doesn't want it I'll take it. Heck, I paid for it.
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The last man onto the last plane leaving Afghanistan was th commanding general of the 82nd Airborne.
https://twitter.com/18airbornecorps/status/1432487566675259393?s=21
https://www.army.mil/article-amp/237517/maj_gen_christopher_donahue_82nd_airborne_division_commanding_general
When the Reds left, their ranking officer was also the last to leave.
I've never served so maybe it's not my place to say but I think this is how it should be.
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The last man onto the last plane leaving Afghanistan was th commanding general of the 82nd Airborne.
https://twitter.com/18airbornecorps/status/1432487566675259393?s=21
https://www.army.mil/article-amp/237517/maj_gen_christopher_donahue_82nd_airborne_division_commanding_general
When the Reds left, their ranking officer was also the last to leave.
I've never served so maybe it's not my place to say but I think this is how it should be.
But there's still Americans there. So really, he was the last to leave them behind.
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That's unfair. It wasn't his call.
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That's unfair. It wasn't his call.
rofl "I vas just following ze orders."
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You'd rather the military make their own decisions regarding this sort of thing?
We have civilian control of the military for a reason.
And sometimes those civilians make horrible decisions, but if we allow the military to override those then what do we have?
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You'd rather the military make their own decisions regarding this sort of thing?
We have civilian control of the military for a reason.
And sometimes those civilians make horrible decisions, but if we allow the military to override those then what do we have?
Then we have Americans choosing not to leave other Americans to die at the hands of our enemy.
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At a press conference today, U.S. Marine Corps General Frank McKenzie, the head of U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM), said the following items had been "demilitarized" at Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul:
At least two Counter-Rockets, Artillery, and Mortars (C-RAM) defense systems
A total of 73 aircraft, including U.S. and Afghan airframes
70 Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) armored trucks
27 Humvees
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42197/heres-what-the-u-s-military-left-behind-at-kabul-airport (https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42197/heres-what-the-u-s-military-left-behind-at-kabul-airport)
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I know it's not that huge in the grand scheme of injustice in the world, but this makes me *expletive deleted*ing see red. There needs to be real consequences for the decision makers of this flusterlcuck.
https://twitter.com/VetSheepdogsUS/status/1432358558658666497?s=20
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Our country is ruled by psycopaths.
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USA leaves behind 51 contract working dogs in Kabul, military veterans trying to raise funds for their evacuation
https://www.opindia.com/2021/08/usa-leaves-behind-51-contract-working-dogs-in-kabul-military-veterans-raise-funds-evacuation/
So I am hearing a lot of people mention this story this morning. Were these trained military working dogs or something else? Not sure what "contract working dogs" means.
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USA leaves behind 51 contract working dogs in Kabul, military veterans trying to raise funds for their evacuation
https://www.opindia.com/2021/08/usa-leaves-behind-51-contract-working-dogs-in-kabul-military-veterans-raise-funds-evacuation/
So I am hearing a lot of people mention this story this morning. Were these trained military working dogs or something else? Not sure what "contract working dogs" means.
Trained working dogs that belonged to/worked for contractors. So for example, we contract out base security at some bases to Triple Canopy. If the contract specifies that their ECP's need to have bomb dog capability provided by the contractor, then Triple Canopy will hire a trained bomb sniffing dog and handler team to fulfill that part of the contract. Same for patrol dog, or whatever.
I'm unclear as to what contract these particular dogs were working on, and as far as I know It hasn't been said which contractor employed them, although I'll bet that comes out sooner or later. Twitter is also saying now that they are being fed and watered at the airport, and a 737 has been chartered to get them to Ramstein, then after quarantine back to the states and homed. Several groups have been involved in funding and handling that. Vetern Sheepdogs of America (https://www.veteransheepdogsofamerica.org/) is apparently the non profit leading the effort for these 51 dogs. https://twitter.com/VetSheepdogsUS/status/1432569494577168388
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USA leaves behind 51 contract working dogs in Kabul, military veterans trying to raise funds for their evacuation
https://www.opindia.com/2021/08/usa-leaves-behind-51-contract-working-dogs-in-kabul-military-veterans-raise-funds-evacuation/
So I am hearing a lot of people mention this story this morning. Were these trained military working dogs or something else? Not sure what "contract working dogs" means.
The Assies will make a special trip in to shoot them.
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Whatever you think about the "leaving materiel behind" stuff, this certainly seems like a bad answer. Pentagon spokesman:
Kirby says it's okay that we left U.S. military assets and weapons behind for the Taliban because they don't "pose a threat to the United States or pose a threat to neighboring nations."
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/08/31/pentagon-spox-john-kirby-defends-leaving-weapons-and-people-behind-for-the-taliban-points-out-that-americans-get-stranded-in-countries-all-the-time-videos/
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I just saw a pic of the line of kennels full of dogs left at the airport. I'm ready to go John Wick on somebodies ass.
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Whatever you think about the "leaving materiel behind" stuff, this certainly seems like a bad answer. Pentagon spokesman:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/08/31/pentagon-spox-john-kirby-defends-leaving-weapons-and-people-behind-for-the-taliban-points-out-that-americans-get-stranded-in-countries-all-the-time-videos/
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Reports of the Taliban going house to house performing executions.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/taliban-kabul-executions-afghanistan-gunshots-audio
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Seen that video where Biden is looking at his watch during the transfer of the 13 service members killed in Kabul?
Well...
He did more than once according to this
But according to two gold star fathers, the president looked at his watch more than one time.
Speaking to Fox News’ Sean Hannity, Darin Hoover, father of slain Marine Staff Sgt. Taylor Hoover, claimed the commander in chief looked at his watch 13 times.
“That didn’t happen just once,” he alleged. “That happened on every single one that came out of that airplane. It happened on every single one of them. They would release the salute and he’d look down at his watch. On every last one. All 13—he looked down at his watch.”
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2021/08/31/father-of-killed-marine-says-biden-checked-his-watch-as-each-body-came-out-n2595040
Probably was watching the clock to make sure he got to the ice cream shop before it closed.
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Shana Chappell, mother of slain Marine Lance Cpl. Kareem Mae'Lee Grant Nikoui, also noted in a Facebook post that she witnessed the president check his watch five times. Her Facebook and Instagram accounts have since been suspended.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2021/08/31/father-of-killed-marine-says-biden-checked-his-watch-as-each-body-came-out-n2595040
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I just saw a pic of the line of kennels full of dogs left at the airport. I'm ready to go John Wick on somebodies ass.
About the dogs
From SPCA International:
Here is what we know: In the end, the dogs and their caretakers were explicitly NOT allowed to board military aircraft, and numerous private charter aircraft were not granted access to the airport either. Charlotte was informed that most of the KSAR dogs had to be released into the airport on August 30 as the airport was evacuated – turning once rescued shelter dogs into homeless strays. They were not given access to the flight we had secured to transport them out of the country. They are within the airport in an area used for housing employees at the far end of the flight line.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/08/31/spca-international-says-the-rescued-dogs-in-kabul-were-released-into-the-airport-and-are-now-running-loose/
And then this
Defense Department spokesman @ericpahon2: “To correct erroneous reports, the US military did not leave any dogs in cages at Hamid Karzai International Airport, to include the reported ‘military working dogs.’”
— Matt Brown (@mrbrownsir) August 31, 2021
The military’s dogs got out. The contractor working dogs were left behind in those cages.
— Andrew D Brooks🇺🇸🏳️🌈✝️ (@andrewdbrooks) August 31, 2021
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/08/31/the-pentagon-says-no-u-s-service-dogs-were-left-in-afghanistan-but-that-doesnt-really-explain-things/
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Well the taliban will be eating good for a while.
Just talked to a friend on who's father used to be president of the university there. He is working all channels trying to get the American professors and students out. I asked if he could find out why they were turned away at the airport. I will report back if he can find out.
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Someone posted this on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/256417954468313/posts/3974899595953445/ (https://www.facebook.com/256417954468313/posts/3974899595953445/)
This photo went viral yesterday and we want to clear up some misinformation surrounding it. We are 100% certain that there are zero US military working dogs abandoned in Kabul. Zero. The US military did not leave a single MWD behind.
We share your anger, frustration and sadness knowing that any dogs were abandoned, but at this time, we cannot verify what day this photo was taken or who is ultimately responsible for these dogs. What we can verify is that these are NOT US military working dogs being abandoned in Kabul.
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Someone posted this on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/256417954468313/posts/3974899595953445/ (https://www.facebook.com/256417954468313/posts/3974899595953445/)
This photo went viral yesterday and we want to clear up some misinformation surrounding it. We are 100% certain that there are zero US military working dogs abandoned in Kabul. Zero. The US military did not leave a single MWD behind.
We share your anger, frustration and sadness knowing that any dogs were abandoned, but at this time, we cannot verify what day this photo was taken or who is ultimately responsible for these dogs. What we can verify is that these are NOT US military working dogs being abandoned in Kabul.
I wonder if that's of a similar vein as "We did not leave any US materiel in Afghanistan". If they are contractor dogs, somebody at the Pentagon might be spinning the PR regarding feds vs contractors hired by feds.
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At this point
Is there anyone on the planet stupid enough to believe anything the US Government says?
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Nearly 90 retired Generals and Admirals call for Milley and Austin to resign immediately
https://flagofficers4america.com/media-and-pr
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Every dipshit at the top of this should be airdropped into Afghanistan. Parachutes optional.
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Oh for *expletive deleted*s sake
Snopes writer warns of ’emotionally manipulative content’ from people sharing puppy photos on the #nopawsleftbehind hashtag
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/08/31/snopes-writer-warns-of-emotionally-manipulative-content-from-people-sharing-puppy-photos-on-the-nopawsleftbehind-hashtag/
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Lot of disdain for leadership in veterans eyes. Read some of the comments…
https://www.facebook.com/195258057192505/posts/4538237852894482/?d=n (https://www.facebook.com/195258057192505/posts/4538237852894482/?d=n)
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When You've Lost The Washington Post, You Know You've Screwed Up, Joe
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/08/31/brutal-wapo-editorial-board-rips-bidens-moral-disaster-in-afghanistan-n2595086
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Nearly 90 retired Generals and Admirals call for Milley and Austin to resign immediately
https://flagofficers4america.com/media-and-pr
I read it was 120.
Oops -- different letter: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/more-than-120-retired-generals-and-admirals-sign-letter-questioning-2020-election-and-biden-s-mental-health/ar-BB1gEWY3
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Nearly 90 retired Generals and Admirals call for Milley and Austin to resign immediately
https://flagofficers4america.com/media-and-pr
I don't give those any credence. 90 politicians in uniform who have secured their retirements and risk nothing personally make political statements. Whoopidy doo.
Colonel Scheller on the other hand just turned in his resignation at 17 years of duty, giving up the retirement and other financial packages that would have garnered him over 2 million dollars during his lifetime. Reason given in his resignation: Loss of trust and confidence in the leadership of the Secretary of Defense.
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I don't give those any credence. 90 politicians in uniform who have secured their retirements and risk nothing personally make political statements. Whoopidy doo.
Colonel Scheller on the other hand just turned in his resignation at 17 years of duty, giving up the retirement and other financial packages that would have garnered him over 2 million dollars during his lifetime. Reason given in his resignation: Loss of trust and confidence in the leadership of the Secretary of Defense.
I have a great deal of admiration for Lt. Col. Scheller. Fantastic example of putting your money where your mouth is and doing the right thing, even to your own detriment.
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Can we start hating Biden now?
Mother of Marine killed in Kabul says Biden rolled his 'f***ing eyes' when she remembered son during meeting
https://www.foxnews.com/media/mother-of-marine-killed-in-kabul-says-biden-rolled-his-fing-eyes-when-she-remembered-son-during-meeting
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Now? What ya been waiting for?
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This would have been funnier a few weeks ago.
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Seen that video where Biden is looking at his watch during the transfer of the 13 service members killed in Kabul?
Well...
He did more than once according to this
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2021/08/31/father-of-killed-marine-says-biden-checked-his-watch-as-each-body-came-out-n2595040
Probably was watching the clock to make sure he got to the ice cream shop before it closed.
I'm sure he was surprised every time. "Oh look, I'm wearing a watch." A few minutes later, "Oh look, I'm wearing a watch." A few minutes later . . . .
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NS9hvoXHas
Biden Phone Call LEAKS Proving he KNEW Afghanistan Was Falling, REFUSED Air Support Request
I guess we might see more on this as time goes by.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NS9hvoXHas
Biden Phone Call LEAKS Proving he KNEW Afghanistan Was Falling, REFUSED Air Support Request
I guess we might see more on this as time goes by.
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So it seems we had a missle lock on the first suicide bomber but they were told not o fire.
Red State I think was the source of that.
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You want to nuke Bahrain? What did they do?
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Can we start hating Biden now?
Mother of Marine killed in Kabul says Biden rolled his 'f***ing eyes' when she remembered son during meeting
https://www.foxnews.com/media/mother-of-marine-killed-in-kabul-says-biden-rolled-his-fing-eyes-when-she-remembered-son-during-meeting
What do you mean "start"?
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Oh for double *expletive deleted*ck's sake
As the United States-backed government in Afghanistan fell to the Taliban and US troops raced to leave the country, White supremacists and anti-government extremists have expressed admiration for what the Taliban accomplished https://t.co/G6s76A1vyz
— CNN (@CNN) September 1, 2021
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/09/01/white-supremacists-cheering-on-the-taliban-takeover-of-afghanistan-concerns-us-officials-mainstream-media/
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There is truth to that. A lot of neo-nazis are pro-islamist because they both hate the Jews.
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There is truth to that. A lot of neo-nazis are pro-islamist because they both hate the Jews.
Yeah but you know when CNN says White supremacists and/or anti-government extremists that usually means anyone to the right of AOC.
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https://www.france24.com/en/video/20210901-afghanistan-pullout-spurs-eu-to-revive-rapid-reaction-force
More fall out? What is NATO anyways they ask. Maybe making a EU Reaction Force is better than relying on the US these days.
Who couldn't see this coming down the pike after the way the Biden administration screwed the pooch on this. If it hadn't been for the many different countries providing aircraft I don't believe nearly as many people would have gotten out to spread the word of Allah around the world through "peaceful protests".
bob
eta: Sometimes you have to go outside and look inside to get a better look at the picture. https://www.france24.com/en/tag/afghanistan/
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This seems pretty damning (if true)
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/breaking-dod-foreknowledge-kabul-airport-bomber-denied-permission-fire-predator-drone-lock-13-us-heroes-dead/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons
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Yeah, the eurotrash sure was impressive in dominating Libya.
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Oof.
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https://www.france24.com/en/video/20210901-afghanistan-pullout-spurs-eu-to-revive-rapid-reaction-force
More fall out? What is NATO anyways they ask. Maybe making a EU Reaction Force is better than relying on the US these days.
Who couldn't see this coming down the pike after the way the Biden administration screwed the pooch on this. If it hadn't been for the many different countries providing aircraft I don't believe nearly as many people would have gotten out to spread the word of Allah around the world through "peaceful protests".
bob
eta: Sometimes you have to go outside and look inside to get a better look at the picture. https://www.france24.com/en/tag/afghanistan/
No, don't get rid of NATO, I would hate that. Really I would.... [tinfoil]
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Seeing pretty much zip on this in the MSM
A satellite image has emerged allegedly supporting the claim Rep. Michael McCaul made on Sunday that the Taliban is holding American citizens and Afghan interpreters hostage at the airport.
According to McCaul, the planes have been sitting at the airport for days even though the State Department has cleared the flights.
"We had six airplanes at the airport, six airplanes with American citizens on them as I speak, also with these interpreters and the Taliban is holding them hostage for demands right now," McCaul, the ranking member on the Foreign Affairs Committee, told Fox News.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2021/09/06/photo-emerges-supporting-claim-taliban-holding-hostage-n2595360
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The State Department has cleared many of the flights to take off from Kabul, but denied landing clearance in Qatar and other locations used during the evacuations. State is not pursuing diplomatic clearance from those countries because the flights are privately sponsored. It makes the Hiden/Barrisment administration look bad, that they can't get stranded Americans out of Afghanistan.
American citizens are being sacrificed on the altar of political optics.
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It's alright. The white house said this morning they are moving on from Afghanistan to focus on the economy.
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It's alright. The white house said this morning they are moving on from Afghanistan to focus on the economy.
Ah... yes. They'll bring the expertise and experience that worked so well in Afghanistan to focus on our economy.
We've already got stagflation indications. I wonder how much worse they can make it.
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We've already got stagflation indications. I wonder how much worse they can make it.
Biden administration: "Challenge accepted."
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Ooooookey
Also @RepMcCaul was absolutely incorrect as characterizing any of these people as hostages. There is nobody being denied exit of the country, or being detained on a plane. Instead the Taliban has not granted clearance for the planes to leave. Spoke to two sources who confirmed.
— Naveed Jamali (@NaveedAJamali) September 6, 2021
‘That is a pretty big distinction’: It’s the PLANES being denied clearance to leave Afghanistan, not the PEOPLE
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/09/06/that-is-a-pretty-big-distinction-its-the-planes-being-denied-clearance-to-leave-afghanistan-not-the-people/
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^^^ So the people are free to flap their arms very hard and fly away, they just can't take that airplane with them?
Doublespeak.
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This is some criminal level *expletive deleted*it
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state-department-afghanistan-private-rescue-flights-leaked-email
Far as I am concerned if you took the entirety of the state department and lined them against a wall you’d be doing the nation a huge favor and cleaning out a real nest of vipers
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This is some criminal level *expletive deleted*it
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state-department-afghanistan-private-rescue-flights-leaked-email
Far as I am concerned if you took the entirety of the state department and lined them against a wall you’d be doing the nation a huge favor and cleaning out a real nest of vipers
Shouldn't be a surprise, the same people were in running the s#!tshow when Benghazi went down.
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Our State Dept is populated by a bunch of worthless morons. This is supposed to be a Babylon Bee* article.
https://thehill.com/policy/international/571205-state-dept-voices-concerns-over-all-male-taliban-government
*I usually default to "Onion article", but apparently The Onion has gone woke.
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Clown world. ;/
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Getting off topic a bit: can someone identify the optics in this pic?
(https://a57.foxnews.com/cf-images.us-east-1.prod.boltdns.net/v1/static/694940094001/b7431741-f431-4c9e-a890-09b975e1ad1d/090ff671-24a0-4050-ae40-d882e5076755/1280x720/match/931/524/image.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
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The optics are bad. Well, if they mattered to elections they would be.
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Getting off topic a bit: can someone identify the optics in this pic?
POS Super Mall Ninja Scope
https://www.amazon.com/Pinty-3-9x32-Rangefinder-Illuminated-Reticle/dp/B01N1Z56E5/ref=sr_1_17?dchild=1&keywords=ncstar+scope&qid=1631119035&sr=8-17
Were we giving those to the ANA? Knowing the government we paid $1k each. :facepalm:
Noticed his light/laser is mounted very poorly and pointing downwards
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Think that's a backup rear sight mounted sideways on the front side rail too.
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Are those pop rivets holding the backup sight/light/laser/whatever strap on the front?
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Are those pop rivets holding the backup sight/light/laser/whatever strap on the front?
They actually look like 70% stripped phillips screws to me, but it's not a great photo.
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I'm guessing the flashlight mount is really whatever scope ring was handy and the diameter doesn't match the light. At least it is, or was, painted black so you know it's tactical as can be.
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NYPD officers put magazines in AR-15s backwards, attach Eotech holo sights backwards, but to really make an AR-15 interesting it takes the Taliban. Taliban means "student," you know; they're "works in progress." =D [tinfoil] [popcorn] ....... :facepalm:
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NYPD officers put magazines in AR-15s backwards, attach Eotech holo sights backwards, but to really make an AR-15 interesting it takes the Taliban. Taliban means "student," you know; they're "works in progress." =D [tinfoil] [popcorn] ....... :facepalm:
Like a doctor? Still practicing?
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Our State Dept is populated by a bunch of worthless morons. This is supposed to be a Babylon Bee* article.
https://thehill.com/policy/international/571205-state-dept-voices-concerns-over-all-male-taliban-government
*I usually default to "Onion article", but apparently The Onion has gone woke.
What an embarrassment. Besides being shocked that the Taliban isn't as woke as they expected (really!?!) they announced this:
The State Department spokesperson added Tuesday that the Biden administration will “continue to hold the Taliban to their commitments to allow safe passage for foreign nationals and Afghans with travel documents, including permitting flights currently ready to fly out of Afghanistan to agreed-upon onward destinations.”
Nothing says you're continuing to hold them to their commitments like totally leaving the country.
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For all the feminists saying that the US is worse than Afghanistan:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/09/09/a-former-afghan-police-officer-reportedly-tried-to-sell-his-4-year-old-daughter-in-a-kabul-marketplace/
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Reported by Biden cheerleader the NYT, so probably true:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/09/10/damning-investigation-by-the-nyt-says-the-u-s-killed-an-aid-worker-and-his-family-in-kabul-drone-strike-not-an-isis-facilitator-no-evidence-of-a-secondary-explosion/
That post-bomb retaliatory drone strike likely took out an aid worker, not a terrorist. The story makes it sound like the military was given a target and not much other information. If this were a movie, it would sure look like the President just wanted a strike for some good PR. Any guy with a doo-rag would do.
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So the aid worker had dirt on the
Clintons Bidens?
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So the aid worker had dirt on the Clintons Bidens?
Is it sad, or a sign of the times, that I immediately wondered what info the aid worker had that someone didn't want getting out...
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So do we file this under suicide or COVID? Suicide by COVID?
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So do we file this under suicide or COVID? Suicide by COVID?
Is MQ-9 a comorbidity?
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Is MQ-9 a comorbidity?
If it wasn't before, it is now.
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NYPD officers put magazines in AR-15s backwards, attach Eotech holo sights backwards, but to really make an AR-15 interesting it takes the Taliban. Taliban means "student," you know; they're "works in progress." =D [tinfoil] [popcorn] ....... :facepalm:
To be fair most of the supposed backwards Eotech photos I've seen were usually SightMarks and other similar red dots which do look at first glance like a backwards Eotech
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Ed Nash does a bit of a comparison
Equipment the British Lost at Dunkirk that the Germans Reused
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnjLBLco7N8
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So DC is taking in zero Afghan refugees.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dc-zero-afghan-refugees-first-wave-resettlement
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And Biden is headed to the beach while the Taliban holds Americans hostage.
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Whoops
US military admits it killed 10 civilians and targeted wrong vehicle in Kabul airstrike
https://www.wlky.com/article/kabul-airstrike-us-military-10-civilians-killed-wrong-vehicle/37639753
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So DC is taking in zero Afghan refugees.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dc-zero-afghan-refugees-first-wave-resettlement
Another report stated that Colorado will be getting 800 and Idaho 400, most of the latter to be settled in Boise and Twin Falls.
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Oklahoma is looking at several thousand.
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It's only going to be a matter of time before there are attacks on American from men that should not have been allowed in.
Just recently in Germany a woman who was gardening was attacked by some "refugee" with a knife because women shouldn't be working.
Also if they don't get what they want they'll riot.
That's in addition to the chance of more coordinated attacks like we've seen in the UK over the last few years.
And it will be totally racist o even complain of these things.
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It's only going to be a matter of time before there are attacks on American from men that should not have been allowed in.
Just recently in Germany a woman who was gardening was attacked by some "refugee" with a knife because women shouldn't be working.
Also if they don't get what they want they'll riot.
That's in addition to the chance of more coordinated attacks like we've seen in the UK over the last few years.
And it will be totally racist o even complain of these things.
But the FBI is on the job!! They will get busy with their informants finding more white guys to set up on terrorism charges.
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Sounds like things are going well for the new government in Afghanistan….
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-17/taliban-shootout-in-palace-sidelines-leader-who-dealt-with-u-s?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=algorithm (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-17/taliban-shootout-in-palace-sidelines-leader-who-dealt-with-u-s?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=algorithm)
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Oklahoma is looking at several thousand.
:mad:
Our retarded governor here in SC VOLUNTEERED our state to settle them. Stupid mother *expletive deleted*er!
How the hell do I find out how many we are supposed to get?
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Our retarded governor here in SC VOLUNTEERED our state to settle them. Stupid mother *expletive deleted*er!
How the hell do I find out how many we are supposed to get?
Search "catholic charities for immigrants, US Together" or a variation on that. Those are the usual treacherous *expletive deleted*s suspects around here.
Link to my state and the organizations and numbers of immigrants they're forcing on us by city.
https://fox8.com/news/ohio-to-take-in-855-displaced-afghans/
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Dump another bunch in Shreveport, LA. It's not like we don't have enough gunfire and shootings daily and the murder rate is getting up there pretty quickly. Odds are they will be whittled down pretty quickly.
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Dump another bunch in Shreveport, LA. It's not like we don't have enough gunfire and shootings daily and the murder rate is getting up there pretty quickly. Odds are they will be whittled down pretty quickly.
Or Chicago. Same situation. [ar15]
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Search "catholic charities for immigrants, US Together" or a variation on that. Those are the usual treacherous *expletive deleted*s suspects around here.
Link to my state and the organizations and numbers of immigrants they're forcing on us by city.
https://fox8.com/news/ohio-to-take-in-855-displaced-afghans/
Found out it’s the Lutherans doing it in my state, no hard numbers yet.
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Found out it’s the Lutherans doing it in my state, no hard numbers yet.
The Catholic establishment doesn't surprise me at all, kind of surprised about the Lutherans.
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ISIS vs. the Taliban?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/isis-bomb-attacks-on-taliban-raise-specter-of-wider-conflict-1.5592680
DUBAI, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES -- The extremist Islamic State group has claimed responsibility for a series of deadly roadside bombs targeting Taliban fighters in eastern Afghanistan, raising the specter of wider conflict between the country's new Taliban rulers and their long-time rivals.
A string of explosions struck Taliban vehicles in Afghanistan's provincial city of Jalalabad over the weekend, killing eight people, among them Taliban fighters. On Monday, three more explosions were heard in the city, an ISIS stronghold, with unconfirmed reports of additional Taliban casualties.
[popcorn]
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ISIS vs. the Taliban?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/isis-bomb-attacks-on-taliban-raise-specter-of-wider-conflict-1.5592680
[popcorn]
[popcorn]
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(https://i.imgur.com/DGfzbKY.jpg?1)
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ISIS vs. the Taliban?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/isis-bomb-attacks-on-taliban-raise-specter-of-wider-conflict-1.5592680
[popcorn]
That’s like the Klan vs neo-Nazis. You just cheer for the meteor.
Strangely on topic: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/exploding-meteor-may-have-wiped-out-ancient-dead-sea-communities
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That’s like the Klan vs neo-Nazis. You just cheer for the meteor.
Strangely on topic: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/exploding-meteor-may-have-wiped-out-ancient-dead-sea-communities
There is a lot of speculation that this site is Sodom and Gomorrah from the Bible.
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https://welcome.us/about#welcome-council
The people that hate you and want to destroy America don't even have to hide any longer.
The main page has all the corporations undermining the country proudly displayed.
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FBI Investigating Alleged Assault On Female U.S. Service Member By Afghan Refugees At Fort Bliss: Report
https://www.dailywire.com/news/fbi-investigating-alleged-assault-on-female-u-s-service-member-by-afghan-refugees-at-fort-bliss-report?utm_campaign=dw_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=housefile&utm_content=non_member
“We can confirm a female service member supporting Operation Allies Welcome reported being assaulted on Sept. 19 by a small group of male evacuees at the Doña Ana Complex in New Mexico,” Lt. Col. Allie Payne, director of Public Affairs for Fort Bliss and the 1st Armored Division, said in a statement. “We take the allegation seriously and appropriately referred the matter to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The safety and well-being of our service members, as well as all of those on our installations, is paramount.”
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"The news comes after the U.S. Department of Justice announced this week that two Afghan refugees were facing federal charges in Wisconsin after one allegedly attempted to rape a minor while another allegedly strangled and suffocated a woman."
They certainly not wasting any time bringing their values to the USA, are they?
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"The news comes after the U.S. Department of Justice announced this week that two Afghan refugees were facing federal charges in Wisconsin after one allegedly attempted to rape a minor while another allegedly strangled and suffocated a woman."
They certainly not wasting any time bringing their values to the USA, are they?
It's racist to judge other, but only if they're not Christian, cultures!
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"The news comes after the U.S. Department of Justice announced this week that two Afghan refugees were facing federal charges in Wisconsin after one allegedly attempted to rape a minor while another allegedly strangled and suffocated a woman."
They certainly not wasting any time bringing their values to the USA, are they?
The news is far behind the curve as usual. I was hearing about assaults thru the mil grapevine over a week ago.
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"The news comes after the U.S. Department of Justice announced this week that two Afghan refugees were facing federal charges in Wisconsin after one allegedly attempted to rape a minor while another allegedly strangled and suffocated a woman."
They certainly not wasting any time bringing their values to the USA, are they?
Nope, they're right on top of things:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-female-soldier-at-fort-bliss-said-she-was-assaulted-by-a-group-of-male-afghan-refugees-officials-say/ar-AAONHlO
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/two-afghan-refugees-at-fort-mccoy-facing-charges-of-sex-crimes-against-a-minor-and-domestic-abuse/ar-AAOIMUy
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There are still Americans over there. Do you see anyone talking about that?
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There are still Americans over there. Do you see anyone talking about that?
Not since someone yelled squirrel whip
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There are still Americans over there. Do you see anyone talking about that?
They ceased to matter on August 31.
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There are still Americans over there. Do you see anyone talking about that?
Americans? Over where?
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Not that anything will come of it, but Biden is a big fat low down varmint of a liar (which we already knew):
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/09/28/this-is-big-centcom-commander-gen-mckenzie-testifies-under-oath-that-he-warned-joe-biden-of-afghanistan-collapse-which-biden-flat-out-denied/
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Not that anything will come of it, but Biden is a big fat low down varmint of a liar (which we already knew):
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/09/28/this-is-big-centcom-commander-gen-mckenzie-testifies-under-oath-that-he-warned-joe-biden-of-afghanistan-collapse-which-biden-flat-out-denied/
Has Biden fired Gen McKenzie yet? (That's what will come of it)
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My god these people are clueless
Jen Psaki admits that “some” military advisors felt that Biden should have left 2,500 troops in Afghanistan
“That is not a decision that the president made. It’s up to the commander in chief to make those decisions.”
— Charlie Spiering (@charliespiering) September 28, 2021
My head hurts
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/09/28/jen-psaki-reiterates-that-joe-biden-never-said-that-thing-that-he-said-on-video-about-withdrawing-troops-from-afghanistan/
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Who is the commander in chief if not the President? Susan Rice?
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https://youtu.be/Zh6T-fDyJxE?t=3724
Here is the video of the press conference. It doesn't sound quite as bad in context.
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https://youtu.be/Zh6T-fDyJxE?t=3724
Here is the video of the press conference. It doesn't sound quite as bad in context.
Yes it does
BUT
I will accept the possibility she misspoke
BTW: Comments are turned off ;/
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Who is the commander in chief if not the President? Susan Rice?
Biden uses a Commander-in-Chief sock puppet.
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Biden uses is a Commander-in-Chief sock puppet.
FTFY. The question is who (China, Soros, et al) is the one really in control.
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Biden uses a Commander-in-Chief sock puppet.
Biden is the sock puppet, the hand inside changes often though it seems.
bob
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Biden uses IS a Commander-in-Chief sock puppet.
FTFY
(that's what I get for not reading through the thread before making my reply.)
=D
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FTFY. The question is who (China, Soros, et al) is the one really in control.
Whoever pays WestExec today.
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Kabul is already heading for the dark ages:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/10/03/taliban-at-risk-of-accidentally-cutting-the-carbon-footprint-of-kabul-via-unpaid-electrical-bills-and-blackouts/
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Kabul is already heading for the dark ages:
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/10/03/taliban-at-risk-of-accidentally-cutting-the-carbon-footprint-of-kabul-via-unpaid-electrical-bills-and-blackouts/
Sounds like they put a democrat in charge
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Sounds like they put a democrat in charge
I was about to ask, "Is this Afghanistan or California?"
Since they don't have massive wildfires, must be the former.
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Very Very Special Agent Richard Beazit and Sebastian have traveled to Afghani... well they went somewhere. Beazit has a plan to do his part to help the Biden administration get more weapons to the Taliban.
ATF Offers to help the Taliban with operation 2 fast 2 furious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PafZ4f-l1w
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ATF Offers to help the Taliban with operation 2 fast 2 furious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PafZ4f-l1w
"Yeah, whatever, I don't speak brown."
(Did he say "wife slap" every time he changed slides?)
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"Yeah, whatever, I don't speak brown."
(Did he say "wife slap" every time he changed slides?)
Yep, him and Sebastian had a discussion on that very subject during a slide show a few videos back
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Dropping this here without comment
US pledges to pay relatives of Afghans killed in August drone strike
https://www.wlky.com/article/us-pledges-to-pay-relatives-of-afghans-killed-in-august-drone-strike/37978901
Kirby said the matter arose in a meeting Thursday between Dr. Colin Kahl, under secretary of defense for policy, and Dr. Steven Kwon, founder and president of the nonprofit group Nutrition & Education International.
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Remember the defining image from the evacuation of the Marine and the baby? Apparently we lost the baby.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/11/05/my-god-biden-lost-the-baby-sohail-a-two-month-old-handed-to-u-s-marines-at-the-kabul-airport-has-been-missing-since-august-19/
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Remember the defining image from the evacuation of the Marine and the baby? Apparently we lost the baby.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/11/05/my-god-biden-lost-the-baby-sohail-a-two-month-old-handed-to-u-s-marines-at-the-kabul-airport-has-been-missing-since-august-19/
Is the administration going to pay the baby $450,000 for being separated from, well, everything?
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Taliban Working on Restoring Jet Aircraft Captured from Government
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG4D7bgCfX8
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Taliban Working on Restoring Jet Aircraft Captured from Government
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG4D7bgCfX8
0:28 According to a friend who is a bit of an aero enthusiast, that plane's engine doesn't have an afterburner, so the flames shooting out of the tail are an indication of a "hot start" -- which he says will destroy the engine in short order.
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The Catholic establishment doesn't surprise me at all, kind of surprised about the Lutherans.
As with the Catholics, there are Christian, Christian-ish, and far-left Lutherans. The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America are the Left-leaning denomination.
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0:28 According to a friend who is a bit of an aero enthusiast, that plane's engine doesn't have an afterburner, so the flames shooting out of the tail are an indication of a "hot start" -- which he says will destroy the engine in short order.
That is correct.
I have zero confidence that a goat herder can suddenly become a jet engine mechanic. Even Iran couldn't make that happen 40 years ago.
The middle east does not do technology.
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Kentucky family trapped in Afghanistan still desperately trying to get home
https://www.wdrb.com/news/kentucky-family-trapped-in-afghanistan-still-desperately-trying-to-get-home/article_21d14e04-6724-11ec-8664-abc94f97b12f.html
(https://meme.aho.st/content/images/2021/08/image-45.png)
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That is correct.
I have zero confidence that a goat herder can suddenly become a jet engine mechanic. Even Iran couldn't make that happen 40 years ago.
The middle east does not do technology.
Windmill!
I think we should send highly paid people like me to help them get all their toys working. Leave when the contract ends. The amount of dead talis from everything falling out of the sky would be glorious.
Thats how all the rest of the sand nations do it, lots and lots of contractors.
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Windmill!
I think we should send highly paid people like me to help them get all their toys working. Leave when the contract ends. The amount of dead talis from everything falling out of the sky would be glorious.
Thats how all the rest of the sand nations do it, lots and lots of contractors.
This is the way. Might as well get paid.
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Today the U.S. announced $308 million in new humanitarian assistance for the people of Afghanistan and a million new COVID vaccine doses provided through #COVAX (totaling 4.3M doses). We remain the single largest donor of humanitarian aid in Afghanistan.https://t.co/Ds7oMSNJaV
— Emily Horne (@emilyhorne46) January 11, 2022
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/01/11/biden-administration-announc-aes-308-million-of-humanitarian-funding-to-the-anti-humanitarian-taliban-ruled-afghanistan/
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/Jso1dbifABkyEDiIXQ/200.gif)
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Windmill!
I think we should send highly paid people like me to help them get all their toys working. Leave when the contract ends. The amount of dead talis from everything falling out of the sky would be glorious.
Thats how all the rest of the sand nations do it, lots and lots of contractors.
It would be especially good if they start a war with some other nation over there. Maybe we can contract with both sides.
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It would be especially good if they start a war with some other nation over there. Maybe we can contract with both sides.
That would be the best option.
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Update from Ed Nash
While our attention has been on Ukraine things have not exactly been settling down in Afghanistan especially on the borders with Pakistan and Iran.
Taliban Demonstrate Military Power as They Face Issues at Home and With the Neighbours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S32KIAWCeeY
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Update from Ed Nash
While our attention has been on Ukraine things have not exactly been settling down in Afghanistan especially on the borders with Pakistan and Iran.
Taliban Demonstrate Military Power as They Face Issues at Home and With the Neighbours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S32KIAWCeeY
Reminds me again, that the media (all sides) work hard to tell us what they want us to pay attention to. It's actually difficult to find news and information about things that are outside the media bubble.
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Reminds me again, that the media (all sides) work hard to tell us what they want us to pay attention to. It's actually difficult to find news and information about things that are outside the media bubble.
Check out his channel https://www.youtube.com/c/EdNashsMilitaryMatters/videos
Besides aircraft and other things he like to cover little conflicts around the world that the MSM doesn't even mention. You may have to do some digging to get pass all the aircraft videos.
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https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/01/11/biden-administration-announc-aes-308-million-of-humanitarian-funding-to-the-anti-humanitarian-taliban-ruled-afghanistan/
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/Jso1dbifABkyEDiIXQ/200.gif)
I thought my dad was crazy (because the premise is truly insane) when he told me way back when I was a little kid that we pay our enemies after wars are over, just turns out he was right about everything, just like everything else he told me about how the world actually works.
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Update
Air Force clears crew in deaths of Afghans who clung to plane during takeoff
https://www.foxnews.com/world/air-force-crew-cleared-afghan-deaths-fell-plane in the death of
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Reminds me again, that the media (all sides) work hard to tell us what they want us to pay attention to. It's actually difficult to find news and information about things that are outside the media bubble.
Check out his channel https://www.youtube.com/c/EdNashsMilitaryMatters/videos
Besides aircraft and other things he like to cover little conflicts around the world that the MSM doesn't even mention. You may have to do some digging to get pass all the aircraft videos.
Case in point.
He dropped this this morning
Burma; A Country on Fire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAdmZHP093s
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Update
Air Force clears crew in deaths of Afghans who clung to plane during takeoff
https://www.foxnews.com/world/air-force-crew-cleared-afghan-deaths-fell-plane in the death of
Why did it take nearly a year to determine that? That should have been decided in less than a week.
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Why did it take nearly a year to determine that? That should have been decided in less than a week.
Needed to check their voting records to see if they were worth going after
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Anyone remember the media even mentioning this person?
REVEALED: American aid worker Ryan Corbett has been held hostage by the Taliban for 15 months - as extremist group demands 'unrealistic' swap for Osama bin Laden aide held in Gitmo
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12748457/Ryan-Corbett-Taliban-hostage-wife.html
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He is not important to the right people or Joe would have already done the swap and added in a few billion.
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He is not important to the right people or Joe would have already done the swap and added in a few billion.
Idiot was seized by the Taliban a year ago . . . by which time any sane adult would have known going there was about as sensible as skinny dipping in a saltwater pool filled with toxic jellyfish.