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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on August 23, 2021, 11:57:15 AM
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I am sick to death of crappy grease guns. Even ones I've paid $40 for are aggravating me as much as the cheapo Harbor Freight one. I use several around the farm. At this point money is no object for at least one high quality grease gun.
Any suggestions? Are lever guns better than pistol grip? I only have had pistol grips and measure grease quantity that way. For instance, I was schooled on my one ag pump that I put five squirts in each zerk every time I run it, but that was with a pistol grip. Do the lever ones put out significantly more quantity per stroke? Easy to load without grease oozing out everywhere is a plus as well.
Recommendations appreciated.
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Clicked on this thread actually expecting it to be about the M3
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https://www.zoro.com/lincoln-grease-gun-pistol-grip-handle-7500-psi-1134/i/G1058784/
https://www.zoro.com/macnaught-pistol-grip-grease-gun-flex-ext-k32/i/G8617163/?recommended=true
This might be the bet you can get for a manual grease gun. Lever usually gets you more pressure, but require two hands to pump, sometimes making it hard to get the zerk in straight,
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Clicked on this thread actually expecting it to be about the M3
I had a similar thought ... and regret it's not about a submachine gun ...... [popcorn]
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I have an old made in the U S of A lever type with a locking grease zerk fitting that has probably provided 50 years of trouble free service. Probably can’t buy anything like it now…
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How are you loading it that grease oozes out? My cheap ones have many issues, but even they load correctly and easily.
FWIW We have that Lincoln one at the shop, and I didn't find it or the even higher priced Snap-on's to be any better any other. I think I have a PRO-LUBE right now, and it's fine, but not amazing. As far as the amount of grease, the gun will be rated for strokes/oz. So without knowing what you have now it's hard to say exactly. For example, the gun Bedlamite linked is 33 strokes/oz. My PRO-LUBE is 40 strokes per oz. The 5000psi guns will be significantly different.
I'd be interested in Boomhauer's take on this, I imagine he uses a grease gun quite a bit.
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How are you loading it that grease oozes out? My cheap ones have many issues, but even they load correctly and easily.
I pull the thingy in back, back. Then I drop in a lube tube. Then on the HF ones, the tube always still sticks out a good half inch, so when I put the top on and push it down to screw it on, lube squirts out. It doesn't happen on my Lucas one.
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I can see how that would be annoying. If there isn't something on the pistons preventing full seat of the tubes, I'd shitcan those guns.
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Clicked on this thread actually expecting it to be about the M3
So did I. =(
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Well crap. I grabbed an ammo can of .45 before I clicked.
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As far as I'm concerned, lever action is totally useless unless you have 3 arms. Pistol grip all the way. We've switched to battery powered (milwaukee and makita) and my hand thanks me every time I use them, but we go through about 100 tubes of grease per year. YMMV. If sticking with old school, try the lock n lube https://locknlube.com/. They do actually work and work well and they actually allow for use of a lever action gun. The one downside is they are tough to use in really tight quarters.
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"I pull the thingy in back, back."
Is that the thing that goes up?
We should ban grease guns! They have things that go up!
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"I pull the thingy in back, back."
Is that the thing that goes up?
We should ban grease guns! They have things that go up!
And they can be reloaded with detachable tubes.
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Lever type is good if you have the lock on fitting.
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Gr.
Bait and switch.
But at least I was reminded of the model designation, which I had forgot, so thanks.
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I’m a Milwaukee fan all the way I’ve had it unclog some seriously frozen joints it honestly makes 10k psi
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Alemite. Between the ranch stuff and my brother's equipment fleet, we have a couple dozen scattered around. Never had one fail short of getting run over or crunched in something.
Brad
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I keep meaning to get one of these -
https://locknlube.com/products/locknlube-grease-coupler
I've got several grease guns laying around. Most were bought at the local farm and ranch supply store, most are mostly crap.
I was servicing my tractor back in the spring and was using my least crappy grease gun and it just sort of quit pumping out grease, well *expletive deleted*it.
I was dirty and greasy from working on the tractor and didn't want to get cleaned up to go buy a replacement. I happened to notice the old grease gun I had acquired from my late uncle's estate about 10 years ago. I'd be surprised if the thing isn't at least 50 years old. I opened it up and cleaned out the old, hard, slightly crusty grease out of it and loaded it about half full with the grease that I had managed to dump out of my failed grease gun. Damned thing worked like a champ. It needs a new hose but the old hose still worked fine even though most of the outer rubber was peeling off.
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I keep meaning to get one of these -
https://locknlube.com/products/locknlube-grease-coupler
I was looking at those this morning. Also their grease gun, which looks pretty nifty for doing away with the threaded connector, and was also mentioned by PEfarmer.
I could be talked into battery powered for all the stuff I have to lube around here. I don't go through near as much as PEfarmer, but do use a couple of cases easy in a year. It would kinda need to default to DeWalt just because I've been switching all my old stuff to 20v DeWalt. Unless the DeWalt one is just so crappy that it's worth having a whole nother battery setup to deal with. Though it seems to get good reviews.
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Yeah that lock n lube thing is what I have on mine.
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I had a small pistol grip type that I added a hose to. Worked great until I loaned it to a friend. I'll see if it's still around to get brand off of it.
Now I barrow an old friends just like it when I need one. Somehow I haven't been able to smash the tube like happened to mine.
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So, if you have a problem with a locked-up gizmo...
We have a sort of zert-syringe that you can load with oil, and then you go to pound-town with it.
And it'll blow through a lot of stuff.
FWIW, Bridgeport milling machines have zerts, but are only supposed to be lubed with way oil on the ways - not grease. And a lot of folks will use grease, and then marvel when their table locks...
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Definitely battery. I have childhood trauma because my dad had a cable and clutch track hoe and a small child to lube it. That thing was a case of grease for one lube.
Then in an H-3 squadron it was below my paygrade to grease but everyone ended up covered in it. Grease lubed rotor head from the wayback machine. We used a five gallon bucket or so a week. Some of the kids weren't the slickest at packing a grease gun without the cartridges.
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So, if you have a problem with a locked-up gizmo...
We have a sort of zert-syringe that you can load with oil, and then you go to pound-town with it.
And it'll blow through a lot of stuff.
FWIW, Bridgeport milling machines have zerts, but are only supposed to be lubed with way oil on the ways - not grease. And a lot of folks will use grease, and then marvel when their table locks...
It’s called a Grease Joint Rejuvenator. I have one but have had far more luck with the high pressure setting on an electric grease gun to clear a clogged joint
Extreme cases you can adapt a porta power to the grease fitting hole and force 10k psi of hydraulic oil in it
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Yeah that lock n lube thing is what I have on mine.
Your wife must be a very happy woman... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Your wife must be a very happy woman... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Pump it harder!!!!
And just like that an innocent thread on grease guns derails and bursts into flames.
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I've not had use for a grease gun in a LONG time.
But, when I collected all the family tools from my Mom's house before she died, my Grandfather's grease gun was part of it, probably from the late 1940s or 1950s. The thing is built like a tank.
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Well, as per usual, I went overboard. Bought both the Lock and Lube and the DeWalt Battery gun. The Lock and Lube is stand out better quality than any of my other manual guns. It was $80 compared to the $20-$30 I paid for the others, but well worth it I think. I only did some ATV greasing with it yesterday, but it works well and loads easy.
I did the tractor with the DeWalt this morning. First the kinda negatives: This was a pain to load with a cartridge. I wonder if most people use bulk grease with these? Maybe there is a trick to it that I haven't figured out yet, though I followed the directions exactly. We'll see what happens with the next cartridge. Once the cartridge was in, it was super easy to purge and get going. The second negative, totally on me, is that I can't gauge how much grease is coming out. I generally have a good feel with a manual pistol gun, but just had no idea here. I was just doing very short hits of the trigger for fear of shooting too much grease in a fitting, which might be my problem.
Otherwise, man, a battery gun is a pleasure to use, especially on something like a tractor with a bajillion zerks, and the DeWalt is built like a tank. Once I get accustomed to it, I think I will be using it a lot.
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Well, as per usual, I went overboard. Bought both the Lock and Lube and the DeWalt Battery gun. The Lock and Lube is stand out better quality than any of my other manual guns. It was $80 compared to the $20-$30 I paid for the others, but well worth it I think. I only did some ATV greasing with it yesterday, but it works well and loads easy.
I did the tractor with the DeWalt this morning. First the kinda negatives: This was a pain to load with a cartridge. I wonder if most people use bulk grease with these? Maybe there is a trick to it that I haven't figured out yet, though I followed the directions exactly. We'll see what happens with the next cartridge. Once the cartridge was in, it was super easy to purge and get going. The second negative, totally on me, is that I can't gauge how much grease is coming out. I generally have a good feel with a manual pistol gun, but just had no idea here. I was just doing very short hits of the trigger for fear of shooting too much grease in a fitting, which might be my problem.
Otherwise, man, a battery gun is a pleasure to use, especially on something like a tractor with a bajillion zerks, and the DeWalt is built like a tank. Once I get accustomed to it, I think I will be using it a lot.
I saw that DeWalt and was going to suggest it but then I remembered you are just a youngster and should be just fine manually pumping a grease gun. Glad to hear a real use review on it.
bob
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Ha ha. I totally loaded the DeWalt wrong. Unscrewed the wrong end. I knew it looked wrong, but that was the end that unthreaded easy. The top threads seem to be in a bit tight so I might need s strap wrench to break them free the first time. What a dumbass. :laugh:
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Unless there are instructions to the contrary I am greasing until I see good grease pushing out.
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Damn it!
I keep reading the title as, "Let's talk geese guns."
The obvious answer is a long-barreled 12 gauge using heavy shot and high brass ammo. Maybe a 10 gauge if you're feeling plucky.
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Unless there are instructions to the contrary I am greasing until I see good grease pushing out.
Though I know in most cases I shouldn't, I always worry that I did something wrong when I break a seal enough for stuff to come out.
On the other side, my one ag pump just has zerks going to four 6' long hoses down to various locations on the pump and shaft, so I never really know how much grease I'm putting in. That's the one where the pump guys said to do five squeezes of the pistol grip for every 24 hours or so of the pump running.
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Well, as per usual, I went overboard. Bought both the Lock and Lube and the DeWalt Battery gun. The Lock and Lube is stand out better quality than any of my other manual guns. It was $80 compared to the $20-$30 I paid for the others, but well worth it I think. I only did some ATV greasing with it yesterday, but it works well and loads easy.
I did the tractor with the DeWalt this morning. First the kinda negatives: This was a pain to load with a cartridge. I wonder if most people use bulk grease with these? Maybe there is a trick to it that I haven't figured out yet, though I followed the directions exactly. We'll see what happens with the next cartridge. Once the cartridge was in, it was super easy to purge and get going. The second negative, totally on me, is that I can't gauge how much grease is coming out. I generally have a good feel with a manual pistol gun, but just had no idea here. I was just doing very short hits of the trigger for fear of shooting too much grease in a fitting, which might be my problem.
Otherwise, man, a battery gun is a pleasure to use, especially on something like a tractor with a bajillion zerks, and the DeWalt is built like a tank. Once I get accustomed to it, I think I will be using it a lot.
Those battery guns are nice aren’t they? They make it fast and easy and very convenient.
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Those battery guns are nice aren’t they? They make it fast and easy and very convenient.
10-4! Especially now that I am loading it the right way (just put a new cartridge in)! :rofl:
Plus the bare tool one was only $140.
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I guess I'm not the only dumbass that did the DeWalt wrong on the first time. At least I didn't film myself doing it as a how-to video... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
https://youtu.be/tJLBeed8-5o?t=163
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Lucas Red'n'Tacky... Works good on MG rails...
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Lucas Red'n'Tacky... Works good on MG rails...
That fits this thread perfectly. I still keep rounding up boxes of .45 when I open this thread.
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Syringes of colorful grease sell better at gun shows.
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Syringes of colorful grease sell better at gun shows.
I switched to normal greases, oils, and solvents after realizing there wasn’t anything special about about gun stuff except for marketing and jacking up the price.
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I switched to normal greases, oils, and solvents after realizing there wasn’t anything special about about gun stuff except for marketing and jacking up the price.
*cough* vegetable oil *cough*
Frog Lube: Someone talking about us again?
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*cough* vegetable oil *cough*
Frog Lube: Someone talking about us again?
That is minty veggie oil to you, sir. Good day.
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Syringes of colorful grease sell better at gun shows.
The syringes are something I guess I don't get. Do people want to imagine cleaning a gun is more complicated like surgery? It isn't that hard to apply oil. You can use a toothpick if you really need to get it in one spot. The closest I have is Mpro7 bottles that have a pointed tip that makes it easy to get drops in the rail slots. That is about as detailed as I get.
As far as cost, it is all relative. Compared to the gun and ammo, gun oil is cheap. However, even if gun oil has better additives, you can apparently get by with any quality oil.
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Okay, now let's get this thread back on track!
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Okay, now let's get this thread back on track!
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My grandfather carried one in the Pacific. He spoke highly of it. I wish there was a reasonable priced semi auto clone
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I shot a full auto one once at my dealer’s house when I was picking up a suppressor. It was pretty easy to control and not bad for a tube gun but probably not what I would pick given a choice.
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I guess I'm not the only dumbass that did the DeWalt wrong on the first time. At least I didn't film myself doing it as a how-to video... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
https://youtu.be/tJLBeed8-5o?t=163
I have the Dewalt. I almost did this the first time I loaded it. Why don’t I ever read directions …
The one thing I don’t understand is why they give you a nice plastic case that you can’t use once there is a cartridge in the gun, unless maybe that is something else I missed not reading the instructions.
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I have the Dewalt. I almost did this the first time I loaded it. Why don’t I ever read directions …
The one thing I don’t understand is why they give you a nice plastic case that you can’t use once there is a cartridge in the gun, unless maybe that is something else I missed not reading the instructions.
I don't have that particular grease gun, but normally, after the cartridge is loaded and you have released the plunger, you can push the rod and t-handle into the body of the gun manually so it doesn't catch on *expletive deleted*it, and I suspect that would let it fit in its case.
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I don't have that particular grease gun, but normally, after the cartridge is loaded and you have released the plunger, you can push the rod and t-handle into the body of the gun manually so it doesn't catch on *expletive deleted*it, and I suspect that would let it fit in its case.
On mine, the t-handle went all the way into the gun easier than any manual one I've had.
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If you are shooting a bolt gun, grease the back of the bolt lugs with just a touch... Stops galling, keeps things working fast and smoothly...
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Seriously, there needs to be a rule... ;/
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Unless there are instructions to the contrary I am greasing until I see good grease pushing out.
Generally not recommended. This is how you blow out bearing seals. Number one killer of bearings: Foreign matter contamination. Number two: overgreasing. Once you've blown the seal (ha ha, let's get the joke out of the way now), now you do have to overgrease til death do you part.
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Generally not recommended. This is how you blow out bearing seals. Number one killer of bearings: Foreign matter contamination. Number two: overgreasing. Once you've blown the seal (ha ha, let's get the joke out of the way now), now you do have to overgrease til death do you part.
If you have a tractor from the '40's, the seals are all dry rotted so seeing grease is a good thing. It keeps the water out.
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Speaking fellatio and marine mammals...
If you have a Chevy Equinox, and I'm not sure which year, check to see if it is one of the things that is prone to the line out of the PCV catching water and then freezing - at which point the engine builds up enough pressure to make the rear seal very unhappy, and then you catastrophically lose ALL your oil...
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That is minty veggie oil to you, sir. Good day.
Do they have a pumpkin spice offering?
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Do they have a pumpkin spice offering?
Fall is here, so time to check again.
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The best luck I've ever had with a grease gun is with the lever type. If you loosen(unscrew) the chuck a little bit, it'll slip on the zerk quite easily. Before you pump, however, don't forget to snug it up before you pump. With the chuck firmly snugged up, you can apply a lot of pressure without it leaking. Don't forget to loosen the chuck before you try to disengage it from the zerk.
Be careful with those zerk fittings that are just pressed in. They'll pop out with the slightest side load or pull on them. I replace all of those with threaded zerks.
Woody
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I spent hours last night on the SKF site. Bearings are complicated. They have driver and puller sets that are really something. And induction heaters to warm up bearings.
my problem with grease guns is remembering what grease is in them, and what the application is. low speed high load high pressure? High speed machine tool spindle? etc etc.
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There are zerks on my Bridgeport. For pumping oil to the ways... Idjits pump grease into them, then you have to clean everything out.
As for grease? I like Lucas Red'n'Tacky...
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I spent hours last night on the SKF site. Bearings are complicated. They have driver and puller sets that are really something. And induction heaters to warm up bearings.
my problem with grease guns is remembering what grease is in them, and what the application is. low speed high load high pressure? High speed machine tool spindle? etc etc.
We have a bearing heater at work but you can also use a toaster oven or a fry daddy with appropriate oil to heat them
I have a good video of me heating up a decent size $1000 bearing and dropping it into place I will try to upload it. We also use liquid nitrogen to shrink s
races for easy drop in
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I chickened out and decided not to buy the Milwaukee electric grease gun. I already have the batteries and charger even, but I just don't have that many things that need grease.
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I chickened out and decided not to buy the Milwaukee electric grease gun. I already have the batteries and charger even, but I just don't have that many things that need grease.
It’s worth it if you do gain stuff that needs greased frequently, even a compact tractor if for nothing else it encourages frequent greasing due to the ease of use. When it’s time to repack hydraulic cylinders a well greased loader means the pins almost fall out when taking them apart. Too many of our customers don’t make the operators grease properly and we end up having to burn pins out with a thermal lance.
A good alternative if one has air is a $75 Lincoln pnuematic grease gun those also work very well.
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Dammit, Jim, I'm a pilot not a mechanic. I can't be trusted with power tools. :laugh:
So tempted to buy that Milwaukee grease gun. Are you a dealer? Or just a pimp? Who pays your commission? :rofl:
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Dammit, Jim, I'm a pilot not a mechanic. I can't be trusted with power tools. :laugh:
So tempted to buy that Milwaukee grease gun. Are you a dealer? Or just a pimp? Who pays your commission? :rofl:
I have found the electric grease gun life changing. Buy it. Do it. Do it. Do it now.
https://youtu.be/CpvHx0R2Ytc?t=87
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I prefer the pneumatic grease guns over electric, but then I usually have a compressor running when I need grease anyway.
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Dammit, Jim, I'm a pilot not a mechanic. I can't be trusted with power tools. :laugh:
So tempted to buy that Milwaukee grease gun. Are you a dealer? Or just a pimp? Who pays your commission? :rofl:
I’m just a lazy mechanic who likes to get the most work done for the least effort LOL we do a lot of rent returns and dragging out the big pnuematic grease keg and dealing with its hose or using a manual gun sucks. The Milwaukee also actually puts out an honest 10k PSI and is a great clog buster.
After you get your grease gun let me tell you about the M12 ratchet, the mid torque impact, and the high torque impacts…oh and the work lights don’t let me forget those!
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I just spent a couple of hours converting my Kubota from summer ops to winter ops. Mower deck and loader come off, snow blower goes on. Everything gets washed off and lubed up. I ran out of grease halfway through the project and had to change the tube on the manual grease gun. What a pain in the ass.
All of that lead me to this: Just ordered that Milwaukee electric grease gun. Even If I use it only twice a year, it will be worth it.
Now I'm looking at those electric ratchets.
Boomhauer really should work on commission.
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I just spent a couple of hours converting my Kubota from summer ops to winter ops. Mower deck and loader come off, snow blower goes on. Everything gets washed off and lubed up. I ran out of grease halfway through the project and had to change the tube on the manual grease gun. What a pain in the ass.
All of that lead me to this: Just ordered that Milwaukee electric grease gun. Even If I use it only twice a year, it will be worth it.
Now I'm looking at those electric ratchets.
Boomhauer really should work on commission.
You'll love it.
I want to hear more about the electric ratchets and worklights as well. I just picked up a cordless worklight at Costco this last week, since it was $15 off, but I haven't tried it yet. For "under the truck" I've either been using my bigger corded worklight, which is just too dang bright, or those flex arm lights that come with cordless tool sets, which are just too dang dark.
This one is modular so I can use pieces of it in hard to get to areas, but I'd like to hear the Boomhauer's opinion.
https://www.costco.com/epower-360-rechargeable-led-worklight-%2526-spotlight.product.100729951.html
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You'll love it.
I want to hear more about the electric ratchets and worklights as well. I just picked up a cordless worklight at Costco this last week, since it was $15 off, but I haven't tried it yet. For "under the truck" I've either been using my bigger corded worklight, which is just too dang bright, or those flex arm lights that come with cordless tool sets, which are just too dang dark.
This one is modular so I can use pieces of it in hard to get to areas, but I'd like to hear the Boomhauer's opinion.
https://www.costco.com/epower-360-rechargeable-led-worklight-%2526-spotlight.product.100729951.html
Pretty much any of the LED work lights these days are pretty good and there are a ton of choices. Bright, long lasting batteries, and tons of different styles. Because I have to put my light where I’m working and sometimes in what I’m working on I use some small Astro Pnuematic rechargeable lights. They have magnetic and hook bases for sticking to or hanging and flex at the base of the lightbar portion. The really cool part about them is they use a wireless charging pad that magnetically holds them and the pad sticks to your toolbox or a column so no screwing with charging cords and USB lights.
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/apt-52sl?seid=srese1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsdHCvYa89AIVlaCGCh2KIgFiEAQYAiABEgLTPfD_BwE
For the cordless ratchets Milwaukee makes a family of great ones, three different generations and short and long neck. They aren’t torque powerhouses but they are great for running down bolts and then you final tighten by hand. Harbor freight, Husky, Makita also make their own versions and I am not sure about DeWalt. They also don’t scream like the air ratchets do.
Milwaukee also makes a right angle impact wrench putting more torque out but fitting in places that the regular impacts don’t. Several brands offer an air version.
More and more previously pnuematic or electric tools are going cordless with the advances in power over the last few years. Milwaukee and IR even make battery powered 1” impacts. They aren’t as powerful as air but they come fairly close without dragging an airline behind you.
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All of a sudden the most important grease gun factor became this-"do not waste grease". yikes.
https://www.hermance.com/Industrial/SCM-Parts_2/High-Speed-Spindle-Grease-Isoflex-NBU-15
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Reviving the thread for an update.
It's "every damn thing needs to be greased up all the time" season again for the next six months, and man, do I just love the battery grease gun. One of the best recommendations any of you guys ever gave me here! :laugh:
I was keeping a manual gun at each of my irrigation pumps with the cheap grease they take, but am now just carrying the DeWalt with me in the SxS wherever I go and just using the Tractor Supply red lithium grease on every damn thing on the farm.
Anyway, what a great and pleasure to use tool.
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Every time this thread pops back up, I say to myself, self I have a bucket full of .45.
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Every time this thread pops back up, I say to myself, self I have a bucket full of .45.
I have 4 mags, but nothing to use them in.
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I have 4 mags, but nothing to use them in.
Sounds like project time.
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Sounds like project time.
Got a bunch of those too.