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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Brad Johnson on September 09, 2021, 10:35:29 AM
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Vax and mask mandates in the works, or so scuttlebutt says.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-covid-six-prong-plan-white-house
I just thought I couldn't get more fed up with this admin. I was wrong. *sigh*
Brad
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I saw the other day that Psaki, without saying what was in this plan, made a smirking comment, when asked about restricting freedoms, that, "Well, that depends on if you're vaccinated or not."
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They have power. At the moment. And I think they are very worried that they could lose it. And their core faithful are DEMANDING that they use the power.
So... Rather than sitting back and boiling the frog slowly, I suspect that they are acquiescing to the hard core left, and are damn near ready to go nuclear.
Yeah, some of 'em would nuke Tulsa...
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They have power. At the moment. And I think they are very worried that they could lose it. And their core faithful are DEMANDING that they use the power.
So... Rather than sitting back and boiling the frog slowly, I suspect that they are acquiescing to the hard core left, and are damn near ready to go nuclear.
Yeah, some of 'em would nuke Tulsa...
Let’s dance. The quicker they go hard the better the resistance will be.
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Right now I'm hearing part of the EO is mandatory vaccines for feds and fed contractors, no exceptions, no showing negative tests, no natural immunity. Vaccine or else. Glad I'm retired.
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https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/571432-police-expect-capitol-fencing-reinstalled-for-sept-18-rally
Will be interesting (in the chinese proverb sense) to see what lessons both sides took from Jan 6. I expect any mandates from this evening will be a big topic at the fence line next weekend.
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Let’s dance. The quicker they go hard the better the resistance will be.
I suspect you underestimate just how hard the left can push without any meaningful push-back.
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Virtually any national/major company will sell something to the government.
So, they are backdooring millions.
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Never make a rule you can’t enforce. Military 101 but I am using it a lot lately.
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They have power. At the moment. And I think they are very worried that they could lose it. And their core faithful are DEMANDING that they use the power.
So... Rather than sitting back and boiling the frog slowly, I suspect that they are acquiescing to the hard core left, and are damn near ready to go nuclear.
Yeah, some of 'em would nuke Tulsa...
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If it wasn't for the fallout coming my way due to prevailing winds I wouldn't mind so much.
Berkley on the Arkansas.
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Our current governor has mandated masks inside. It's widely being ignored, at least where I'm at.
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And so it begins:
President Joe Biden is announcing Thursday that all employers with more than 100 workers will be forced to require coronavirus vaccinations or test employees weekly.
Employers can pass the costs onto employees. Fines for employers up to $14K/day for not complying. Also, once again no mention of natural immunity.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-set-to-announce-vaccine-mandate-or-weekly-testing-for-companies-with-more-than-100-employees
Edit: Oh, good question in the comments: Will Biden force all welfare recipients to get vaccinated in order to recieve their handout?
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Well that’s gonna cause a riot at work…
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Considering this directly and unequivocally affects fully one third of all Americans regardless of political stripe, I think *expletive deleted*it's about to get real.
Brad
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Edit: Oh, good question in the comments: Will Biden force all welfare recipients to get vaccinated in order to recieve their handout?
I have read the same calls for the unemployed, since many employers are now requiring new applicants to be vaccinated.
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Lets see if this takes his poll numbers into the 20's.
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I have read the same calls for the unemployed, since many employers are now requiring new applicants to be vaccinated.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to get a notice in the mail that says I have to show proof of vaccination to continue getting my fed.gov pension. There are all kinds of ways they can go Australia style totalitarian on us.
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A pretty good breakdown why the mandate is pretty much toast based on recent SCOTUS decisions.
https://youtu.be/7QFRlRfsz-4
TL:DR... POTUS cannot EO Fed.Gov bureau enforcement beyond legislated boundaries. Their recent ruling on mandated extensions of eviction restrictions is his foundation.
Shorter version... POTUS cannot mandate a new OSHA guideline that doesn't conform with current law.
I figure States (plural) will petition this directly to SCOTUS by no later than next week. Maybe sooner. If they rule in line with the Eviction EO decision, the mandate is DOA.
Brad
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I'm not sure why that youtube dood thinks there aren't already COVID-19 Emergency Temporary Standards in the CFR's, and why he thinks OSHA can't issue more. It's well within OSHA's legislated authority to issue new standards or change current ones. 1910 Subpart U is the current set of ETS's.
I don't particularly like the Bureaucracy's ability to just "find" stuff and add it to the CFR's, but as I was sadly educated when the ATF decided every damn thing may be a receiver, it is within most agency's power to promulgate regulations.
I'm sure that it will be challenged, and while I hope it is cast down, I'm not as confident as that guy that it will be.
I predicted to my coworkers this morning that OSHA would be how he did this, as they have a ton of regulatory power and leeway.
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I work for a fab shop that has 100 employees and does federal work. I have a vaccine but thus far only let that on to my second job because I consider it my duty to make sure is part timers get all the same freebies as FT. At my regular job I predict that more than a few will quit and go to smaller shops. Everyone is hiring. For now. This will help tank the economy.
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https://babylonbee.com/news/joe-biden-announces-civil-war
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US Postal Service will be exempt from the mandate.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/09/09/us-postal-service-workers-are-not-included-in-president-bidens-federal-vaccine-requirement/
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US Postal Service will be exempt from the mandate.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/09/09/us-postal-service-workers-are-not-included-in-president-bidens-federal-vaccine-requirement/
I wonder if the diktat was written “100 employees” or “100 workers”. Because if the latter then that explains the exemption for the USPS.
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US Postal Service will be exempt from the mandate.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/09/09/us-postal-service-workers-are-not-included-in-president-bidens-federal-vaccine-requirement/
The people that visit every home and business in the nation are the ones that don't have to be "inoculated" from the "deadly" plague? That is the most clown-world thing I've read all week.
Also, it conveniently shields a certain demographic that votes heavily for Democrats, doesn't trust the vaccine, and is over-represented in the USPS.
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The disrespect for natural immunity is probably the biggest issue that makes me swear to never get a vaccine. I've got vaccines for lots of other things, I'm not anti-vax. But I'm definitely anti-compulsion.
When the compulsion argument has a hard-headed denial for the fundamental science of how antibodies work, it makes me set my heels in.
I got COVID in Dec 2019. Sucked hard. I considered going to the hospital over it, breathing was a beyatch. Took probably 3 months to get my lungs back. I definitely had it, before it was even disclosed to the general public.
Given how ineffective the vaccine is at preventing reinfection from mutations, and I already have primary protection from catching it in winter 2019, I don't need or want any updated vaccines. The hard push for it is something that puts my back up and is likely to make me be physically resistive if someone did try to compel the issue.
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60% of hospitalized covid patients in Israel were fully vaccinated.
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/nearly-60-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-in-israel-fully-vaccinated-study-finds.html
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The people that visit every home and business in the nation are the ones that don't have to be "inoculated" from the "deadly" plague? That is the most clown-world thing I've read all week.
Also, it conveniently shields a certain demographic that votes heavily for Democrats, doesn't trust the vaccine, and is over-represented in the USPS.
This alone shows me it all has little to do with the actual virus. Plus they've let over 1 million illegals loose into the wild. What kept them from giving them all at least one shot before they let them disappear? The ones that were in detention centers anyway. Who knows how many "gotaways" got away with an active infection?
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In December of 2019, I had a bad case of crud.
It started with my sinuses taking a "disco hut" dump for about two days or so.
I somehow knew that if I aspirated the *expletive deleted*it, I would have problems. So I did shots of nyquil, and slept with my forehead on a chair, over the edge of the bed, dripping on a sacrificial towel.
That seemed to work. I was back at work after the weekend (mutter...), and then gave it to everyone else.
In December of 2020, I caught something. 102 fever. Had to go get tested. Negative. Still ran a fever for damn near two weeks. Felt like ass.
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Wow. I shouldn't be surprised, but I am a little.
How do you guys predict this will play out?
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Wow. I shouldn't be surprised, but I am a little.
How do you guys predict this will play out?
Well, state lawsuits are getting started up already. I talked to a recently retired engineer from a defense contractor. He thinks there will be a lot of retirements if this goes through.
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Wow. I shouldn't be surprised, but I am a little.
How do you guys predict this will play out?
I will not be compelled to take it, if I lose my job I will be incredibly angry, like-nothing left to lose angry.
I'm 61 and may choose poverty and collect SS at 62 rather than collect 401k at 65 or 70 like I've been planning.
if forced into early retirement on the paltry ss I would get at 62yrs old - I plan on being as huge of a thorn as I possibly can be
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I will not be compelled to take it, if I lose my job I will be incredibly angry, like-nothing left to lose angry.
I'm 61 and may choose poverty and collect SS at 62 rather than collect 401k at 65 or 70 like I've been planning.
if forced into early retirement on the paltry ss I would get at 62yrs old - I plan on being as huge of a thorn as I possibly can be
Don't be surprised if being vaccinated becomes a prerequisite of collecting SS.
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I have a good friend I've known since middle school. Pre-COVID we used to get together once a week for coffee. He's center-left to left on most issues (although is still hooked on guns from when I'd take him shooting during high school).
A few weeks ago he texted me and mentioned his visceral reaction against vaccine mandates. He's all for the COVID vaccines and is vaccinated himself, but didn't like the idea of the feds mandating them.
I'm interested to talk to him to see how he feels now.
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Many voters on the left seem to have sort of skipped civics class... They think that the president has the power of a king - that's why they celebrated King Obama, and instantly grew ultra paranoid over Orange Man, the Usurper...
If he says this, they will comply, and they'll try to force others to comply.
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and the USA is still ignoring those with natural immunity, pretending it doesn't exist...
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I have a good friend . . . he texted me and mentioned his visceral reaction against vaccine mandates. He's all for the COVID vaccines and is vaccinated himself, but didn't like the idea of the feds mandating them . . .
Sounds like your friend and I are on the same page.
I - after consultation with my own doctor - got two doses of the Pfizer vaccine. MY DECISION.
Vaccine mandates - even for those with natural immunity after recovering from COVID? Even for those at low risk? Even for those with medical issues that argue AGAINST the vaccination? And limiting the freedom of the "unvaccinated" no matter WHAT the reason is for their being unvaccinated?
No. In fact - HELL NO.
I am NOT repeat NOT advocating anything, but just making an observation now - the little cards they give you after being vaccinated don't seem to have any anti-counterfeiting security features included like color shifting ink, watermarks, UV sensitive thread, etc. So unlike US currency, it seems as if any good print shop can run off a batch with little difficulty.
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I was unaware that the airport mask mandate involved fines. I see Biden is doubling them. I haven't been to an airport in a good while. How are these enforced? When does it go from a warning to a fine? Is it just, "mask on - yes/no", or do they also fine all those people who wear a mask, but have it below their nose?
President Joe Biden’s administration on Thursday doubled the fines for people who are caught violating the federal mask mandate in effect at airports and on some modes of public transportation.
The fees, previously ranging from $250 to first-time offenders to up to $1,500 for repeat offenders, will now be $500 and up for people caught violating the mandate for the first time and up to $3,000 for people caught violating it more than once.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/us-doubles-fines-for-violators-of-mask-mandate-at-airports-on-trains_3991060.html
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I was unaware that the airport mask mandate involved fines. I see Biden is doubling them. I haven't been to an airport in a good while. How are these enforced? When does it go from a warning to a fine? Is it just, "mask on - yes/no", or do they also fine all those people who wear a mask, but have it below their nose?
https://www.theepochtimes.com/us-doubles-fines-for-violators-of-mask-mandate-at-airports-on-trains_3991060.html
You can always count on a democrat to jack up taxes, fees, and fines every chance they get.
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I was unaware that the airport mask mandate involved fines. I see Biden is doubling them. I haven't been to an airport in a good while. How are these enforced? When does it go from a warning to a fine? Is it just, "mask on - yes/no", or do they also fine all those people who wear a mask, but have it below their nose?
https://www.theepochtimes.com/us-doubles-fines-for-violators-of-mask-mandate-at-airports-on-trains_3991060.html
I've flown several times since this all started. SO far I have yet to see someone be fined. Airline and TSA employees will ask people to put their masks on correctly when they see someone with it off, or [sometimes, depending on the employee] worn incorrectly. As long as it isn't met with outright refusal I've not seen it escalated. I suspect that fines are introduced if you cause enough fuss that airport cops are called, which I've seen on YouTube, but not in person. If you get the plane turned around, I would bet on there being fines.
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WH Chief of Staff spills the beans. Not only does it straight up admit they were gaming the system, it lays groundwork for why the mandate is likely doomed.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/klain-vaccine-coronvirus-mandate
Brad
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President Biden
@POTUS
United States government official
We are going to protect the vaccinated workers from unvaccinated coworkers.
Okay then.
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I like this:
Mary Katharine Ham
@mkhammer
Replying to
@mkhammer
So you have this spectacle, particularly on Twitter, where vaxxed white-collar metropolitans crap on the people who got their natural immunity delivering food and emergency services to said white-collar metropolitans so *they* could stay home, stay safe for a year.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/09/10/mary-katharine-ham-has-some-news-for-vaxxed-white-collar-metropolitans-sneering-at-americans-who-might-be-unvaccinated-for-a-reason/
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Purdue University disciplines unvaccinated students, suspensions possible
https://www.wdrb.com/news/purdue-university-disciplines-unvaccinated-students-suspensions-possible/article_f19e9962-124b-11ec-9b51-57f2b47fb51d.html
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and the USA is still ignoring those with natural immunity, pretending it doesn't exist...
This part really bugs me. There's no good reason to disregard natural immunity.
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Fauci isn't sure what's going on with natural immunity discussions either:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1436366439901024262
Regarding his "durability" comment, we absolutely know that covid 2 natural immunity currently has at least the same durability as the vaccines up to this point, since naturally immune test subjects have been walking around with robust antibodies for longer than there has been a vaccine.
Further, we can go back to the Washington University (peer reviewed) study on Covid 1 with a 17 year (longest available timeframe) dataset that shows robust natural antibodies to that Covid, all the way out to the 17 years.
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Decades since anyone protested the government...
Axios
@axios
Top Republicans are calling for a public uprising to protest Biden's broad vaccine mandates, eight months after Jan. 6.
It has been decades since America has witnessed such blatant and sustained calls for mass civil disobedience against the government.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/09/10/it-was-all-a-crazy-nightmare-axios-forgets-2020-happened-to-sound-alarm-about-blatant-and-sustained-calls-for-protests/
The MSM is nothing more than the Jerry Springer show anymore. You try to avoid watching it, but if you happen to see it while flipping the channels, you can't help but stop and watch the train wreck.
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Ron DeSantis:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1436417914266083331
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What happens if instead of protests or lawsuits, or "I will not comply!", everybody just ignores Biden and his diktats?
I will admit that when HR at my company sent out an unenforceable mandate last week to load their new Vaccine Passport app on my personal cell phone (which I pay for myself and am not required to have) and upload my personal health information into it and consent to them accessing and sharing it, I could have ignored it but I replied "I will not comply!" It would have made more sense to ignore them but IWNC felt better.
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What happens if instead of protests or lawsuits, or "I will not comply!", everybody just ignores Biden and his diktats?
I will admit that when HR at my company sent out an unenforceable mandate last week to load their new Vaccine Passport app on my personal cell phone (which I pay for myself and am not required to have) and upload my personal health information into it and consent to them accessing and sharing it, I could have ignored it but I replied "I will not comply!" It would have made more sense to ignore them but IWNC felt better.
Given recent rulings and its current makeup, I'm not all that sanguine about SCOTUS ruling against these unconstitutional mandates. What is your Plan B if your IWNC results in the loss of your job?
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Given recent rulings and its current makeup, I'm not all that sanguine about SCOTUS ruling against these unconstitutional mandates. What is your Plan B if your IWNC results in the loss of your job?
Plan B is I move my retirement date up. I'm ready to retire right now, I'm only still working thru the end of the year because my 1st line manager and my coworkers are depending on me finishing some stuff. It's a professional courtesy to them, and the money is nice but I don't need it.
They need me, I don't need them. Upper management doesn't care, of course, and would like to make an example of me. But it's been a week and I haven't heard anything yet.
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Those of us in healthcare in Washington state are waiting to see what happens as of October 18th. As of that date, if you are a healthcare worker and are not fully immunized, you can no longer work. If you don't get an exemption and want to keep working in healthcare, it will have to be in another state.
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Those of us in healthcare in Washington state are waiting to see what happens as of October 18th. As of that date, if you are a healthcare worker and are not fully immunized, you can no longer work. If you don't get an exemption and want to keep working in healthcare, it will have to be in another state.
C'mon down to the high plains. I can set you up with a real estate agent, some solid job leads, and a couple of great places for Happy Hour.
Brad
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Those of us in healthcare in Washington state are waiting to see what happens as of October 18th. As of that date, if you are a healthcare worker and are not fully immunized, you can no longer work. If you don't get an exemption and want to keep working in healthcare, it will have to be in another state.
“We have a nursing shortage and can’t care for patients!”
“Also, we are going to fire a bunch more nurses.”
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Oh gee, look who else somehow dropped between the cracks on vaccination! From the linked story:
But not included in the executive orders are mandates for members of federal employees in the legislative or judicial branches, including members of Congress, their staffers, as well as federal judges and other court employees.
Earlier in the year, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was asked about requiring that members of Congress be vaccinated.
“Public health officials are encouraging wearing masks indoors,” Pelosi began.
She continued: “So here’s the thing—we cannot require someone to be vaccinated. It’s just not what we can do.”
The vaccination status of any member of Congress, Pelosi said, “is a matter of privacy.” She noted that she “cannot go to the Capitol physician and say ‘give me the names of people who aren’t vaccinated’ so I can go encourage them or make it known to others to encourage them to be vaccinated.” Pelosi closed, “So we can’t do that.”
https://www.theepochtimes.com/members-of-congress-federal-judges-staffers-exempt-from-vaccine-mandate_3991881.html
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“We have a nursing shortage and can’t care for patients!”
“Also, we are going to fire a bunch more nurses.”
Bingo. But since it is a state mandate, the employer has no discretion on this.
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Oh Jen Pissaki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIiH5mLfcO0
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Vaccine or else. Glad I'm retired.
That makes two of us !!
Look at all the hospitals that are now hurting with too few staff to handle the current load. They are short-staffed because they forced their people to make a choice of "jab or job" and a lot of them left.
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WH Chief of Staff spills the beans. Not only does it straight up admit they were gaming the system, it lays groundwork for why the mandate is likely doomed.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/klain-vaccine-coronvirus-mandate
Brad
Not to get all tinfoiley but what makes people think this was a gaffe? If SCOTUS strikes down the mandate down that just gives them ammo for court packing, particularly if it’s a 5-4 ruling (Roberts will find some way to call the mandate a tax and vote to uphold it). Really, for anything closer than 8-1 would do it. If 8-1 or 9-0 they’d lose that topic as it’s hard to argue the need to add 4 hyper-left justices when Roberts, Kagan, Sotomayor and Breyer are already voting against you.
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Don't be surprised if being vaccinated becomes a prerequisite of collecting SS.
surprised? not at all. the anger this would stir in me and others will effect a change in policy
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Bingo. But since it is a state mandate, the employer has no discretion on this.
On the bright side, at least you are finally getting rid of those young, passionately conservative and stubbornly ignorant nurses going out of their way to spread fear, paranoia and rambling conspiracy theories based largely in misplaced, extreme political beliefs!
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On the bright side, at least you are finally getting rid of those young, passionately conservative and stubbornly ignorant nurses going out of their way to spread fear, paranoia and rambling conspiracy theories based largely in misplaced, extreme political beliefs!
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqYf0XacrXizu9KI1kgqq3g
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Very slight tangent, but how does the Dept of Education's civil rights arm have a case here? While certainly the MSM keeps pushing the Florida law as "no masks allowed", the actual legal documentation is "no forcible mask wearing". Anyone who wants to wear a mask can, and anyone who doesn't want to doesn't have to. This is freedom from both sides of the equation, so how is it a civil rights violation?
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/09/11/corey-deangelis-sums-up-insanity-of-dept-of-educations-civil-rights-investigation-into-florida-ban-on-mask-mandates/
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Is there no religious exemption?
If there's a religious exemption, why not just claim that vaccination is forbidden to you by the flying spaghetti monster?
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Is there no religious exemption?
If there's a religious exemption, why not just claim that vaccination is forbidden to you by the flying spaghetti monster?
I highly doubt it but they'll probably let it slide if you're Muslim. I'm only half joking here.
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On the bright side, at least you are finally getting rid of those young, passionately conservative and stubbornly ignorant nurses going out of their way to spread fear, paranoia and rambling conspiracy theories based largely in misplaced, extreme political beliefs!
We are going to be very interested to see the demographics of the staff that do quit or are fired. Most of the nursing staff here are Caucasian women under age 50 with children. So will it be people close to retirement, or younger staff, or people with or without kids? Washington state has said that if you lose your job due to a vaccine requirement, you are not eligible for unemployment. And now with the Federal mandate with companies with over 100 employees, the net grows tighter and tighter for healthcare workers.
ETA: we have already seen resignations from physicians on the medical staff. They are either close to retirement, or they plan on moving to another state.
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Those of us in healthcare in Washington state are waiting to see what happens as of October 18th. As of that date, if you are a healthcare worker and are not fully immunized, you can no longer work. If you don't get an exemption and want to keep working in healthcare, it will have to be in another state.
"Good bye Jews!"
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We are going to be very interested to see the demographics of the staff that do quit or are fired. Most of the nursing staff here are Caucasian women under age 50 with children. So will it be people close to retirement, or younger staff, or people with or without kids? Washington state has said that if you lose your job due to a vaccine requirement, you are not eligible for unemployment. And now with the Federal mandate with companies with over 100 employees, the net grows tighter and tighter for healthcare workers.
That is unbelievably stupid, especially with healthcare workers. But then again after years of Democratic leadership in WA it is not to be unexpected. I did just get a new Nursing license, just not in WA. I got a NV one just in case they make it too attractive to not work a little bit.
bob
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Washington Post "journalist" thrilled to death that he had to show his vax card and ID (to verify it was his vax card) everywhere he went in NYC. If the ID thing is accurate, I guess it must not be that much of a hardship for minorities to get IDs then. Hello voting.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/09/12/think-you-meant-terrified-glenn-kessler-dragged-for-being-impressed-after-having-to-show-his-id-and-vaccine-card-everywhere-in-nyc/
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Washington Post "journalist" thrilled to death that he had to show his vax card and ID (to verify it was his vax card) everywhere he went in NYC. If the ID thing is accurate, I guess it must not be that much of a hardship for minorities to get IDs then. Hello voting.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/09/12/think-you-meant-terrified-glenn-kessler-dragged-for-being-impressed-after-having-to-show-his-id-and-vaccine-card-everywhere-in-nyc/
Bootlicking retard
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqYf0XacrXizu9KI1kgqq3g
Thanks for posting that. I'd never heard of her
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Thanks for posting that. I'd never heard of her
i'VE BEEN A BIG FAN OF HER FOR YRS!! i just love her
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