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Title: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: MillCreek on September 11, 2021, 09:31:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIhNsAtPbPI

This popped up on my feed today.  I might make an effort to go see this in the theater.  Daniel Craig says this is his final Bond film.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Ben on September 11, 2021, 09:52:08 PM
I want to see it. I wonder if it will be dual release, theaters and streaming or just theaters?
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 11, 2021, 09:58:50 PM
I want to see it. I wonder if it will be dual release, theaters and streaming or just theaters?

If recent releases are a guide, figure out which way will piss of the most people and that would be a good bet.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: sumpnz on September 11, 2021, 10:00:11 PM
I wonder, after this, if the 007 franchise will end, transition to another good Bond actor, or ruin itself by going woke.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: HankB on September 11, 2021, 10:39:18 PM
I wonder, after this, if the 007 franchise will end, transition to another good Bond actor, or ruin itself by going woke.
Well, Hollywood spy sources say this will be the next 007 . . . should check enough woke boxes.

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Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: T.O.M. on September 11, 2021, 10:52:00 PM
I'm a pretty big fan of the Bond books and films.  There's already a *expletive deleted*it-storm about this movie, and it hasn't even been released.  See, people watched an early trailer which had the black woman indicating she was a Double-0.  Immediately people started screaming about "Jane Bond", pissed off because they made James Bond a woman.  Now, later trailers and press about the movie all pretty much indicate the woman is a Double-0, maybe even 007, because Bond is retired, and the film is about him coming out of retirement because of the latest bad guy/world threat.  Doesn't matter.  The fan base is still screaming about how they've destroyed the franchise by making Bond a woman...

I'm going to see it.  Probably will carry my new-to-me Walther P99 to get in the spirit of the evening.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 11, 2021, 11:34:37 PM
There have been rumors for years that the next 007 would be a woman, or a black man. Anything other than the character Ian Fleming created. It would not surprise me at all to see Hollyweird going full woke and making it a black woman.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: sumpnz on September 11, 2021, 11:45:27 PM
There have been rumors for years that the next 007 would be a woman, or a black man. Anything other than the character Ian Fleming created. It would not surprise me at all to see Hollyweird going full woke and making it a black transgender woman.

FTFY
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: bedlamite on September 12, 2021, 02:08:32 AM
Daniel Craig says this is his final Bond film.

He's said multiple times that he's never doing another Bond film, usually right after filming.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: 230RN on September 12, 2021, 05:34:29 AM
"It would not surprise me at all to see Hollyweird going full woke and making it a black transgender woman.

I'm confused. Does that mean a black genetic woman turned "male,"  or a black genetic male turned "woman?"  I think you got the black part right, but I would add possibly Hispanic/Spanish. 

"Cervesa, please.  Neither shaken nor stirred."
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: HankB on September 12, 2021, 08:13:23 AM
"It would not surprise me at all to see Hollyweird going full woke and making it a black transgender woman.

I'm confused. Does that mean a black genetic woman turned "male,"  or a black genetic male turned "woman?"  I think you got the black part right, but I would add possibly Hispanic/Spanish. 

"Cervesa, please.  Neither shaken nor stirred."
La-a Azeeza Gonzales, a black genetic male tranny who rejected it's slave name (James Bond) and embraced a name celebrating its blackness, Moslem faith, and desired LatinX heritage.

(First name is pronounced La Dash Uh, since the "-" not be silent.)
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: MillCreek on September 12, 2021, 10:18:06 AM
For a bit, they were floating Idris Alba as taking over the Bond role in future films.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Ben on September 12, 2021, 10:18:54 AM

I'm going to see it.  Probably will carry my new-to-me Walther P99 to get in the spirit of the evening.

Hey, you finally got that P99?!? Cool! I know you've been wanting one for years.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Ben on September 12, 2021, 10:22:34 AM
For a bit, they were floating Idris Alba as taking over the Bond role in future films.

A black man, or any woman in the role obviously throws out Fleming's canon. I think black people even stand out now in Russia, let alone the old USSR. However they've kinda tossed Canon and cold war stuff for the last couple of decades now, and given that, Elba would be an awesome choice.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: HankB on September 12, 2021, 10:40:23 AM
A black man, or any woman in the role obviously throws out Fleming's canon. I think black people even stand out now in Russia, let alone the old USSR. However they've kinda tossed Canon and cold war stuff for the last couple of decades now, and given that, Elba would be an awesome choice.
Elba is a good actor and a fine choice for any of a number of action hero characters - but not James Bond.  Even casting a blond guy like Daniel Craig as JB was pushing it IMHO.

It would be like casting Tom Hanks in the title role of a movie about Malcolm X or having Bruce Willis play Clarence Thomas in a court drama. (Hanks of course would refuse, but considering how many direct-to-DVD stinkers Willis has been showing up in lately . . . I don't know about him.)
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 12, 2021, 10:42:32 AM
However they've kinda tossed Canon and cold war stuff for the last couple of decades now, and given that, Elba would be an awesome choice.

If you are willing to accept the tossing of the "canon," then perhaps Elba would be good. I won't accept that.

Sean Connery remains the quintessential James Bond. Following him, things went downhill rapidly, with perhaps the worst being Roger Moore, who played Bond as a lightweight clown rather than as a super-deadly secret agent. David Niven as Bond? Sheesh! Pierce Brosnan was a positive move back in the direction of playing Bond as a deadly agent, and Daniel Craig took that even further.

They can abandon the canon if they want (and I'm sure they will), but they'll do it without my contribution to the box office.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: WLJ on September 12, 2021, 10:46:28 AM
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Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: MikeB on September 12, 2021, 11:23:01 AM
Personally not a Craig fan as Bond. I don’t think he brings the polish that Bond is supposed to have. I think only Moore was worse as Bond from the normally accepted 6 actors who portrayed Bond. Connery is number one. I have a hard time placing Lazenby since he only did one movie. I think Brosnan may edge out Dalton.

I don’t consider the 67 Casino Royale to be a true James Bond film.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: sumpnz on September 12, 2021, 12:35:13 PM
Connery, Craig, Brosnan, Moore, Dalton.

Craig didn’t have the polish, but he had the stone cold killer that even Connery didn’t quite have.  Brosnan was neither fish nor fowl.  Moore and Dalton had waaayyy to much camp.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: HankB on September 12, 2021, 01:10:29 PM
. . .  with perhaps the worst being Roger Moore, who played Bond as a lightweight clown  . . .
Reminds me of an old Johnny Carson skit as Carnac the Magnificent that I saw:

Carnac Answers: JUNK BONDS  (there was news at the time of some financial shenanigans on wall street.)

The Question: Describe the last few 007 movies.

IIRC, this was during the Roger Moore timeframe.   :rofl:
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: dogmush on September 12, 2021, 01:12:13 PM
I like Craig's bond because of the aforementioned stone cold killer aspect.  I liked Connery as well.

At this point I think being a James Bond fan requires quite a bit of suspension of disbelief, or handwaving fan theories.  The tech doesn't exist, in some cases it actually moves backward, changing faces on an unaging spy.  Also, pretending that the movie series currently conforms to any kind of Flemming "canon" is ridiculous.  That said, if they wanted to slide a black actor into the role, and it was a good fit, I'd give it a watch.  Elba could pull it off.  Better than the chops you have to do to the story to make a black actor play Roland of Gilead.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: grampster on September 12, 2021, 02:26:06 PM
As a young man, I read all the books.  I stopped watching the Bond movies after Connery stopped doing Bond.  Some things just can't go on after it has been the best.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Ben on September 12, 2021, 02:57:27 PM
For Bonds, I like Connery, Craig, Brosnon, Dalton. Much of Connery is because he was the first. He was the suave spy who got the job done. Like others though, I really liked the grit that Craig brought to it. Connery was a spy, but Craig is a 00 killer.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: JN01 on September 12, 2021, 03:58:49 PM
If you are willing to accept the tossing of the "canon," then perhaps Elba would be good. I won't accept that.

Sean Connery remains the quintessential James Bond. Following him, things went downhill rapidly, with perhaps the worst being Roger Moore, who played Bond as a lightweight clown rather than as a super-deadly secret agent. David Niven as Bond? Sheesh! Pierce Brosnan was a positive move back in the direction of playing Bond as a deadly agent, and Daniel Craig took that even further.

They can abandon the canon if they want (and I'm sure they will), but they'll do it without my contribution to the box office.

I always had the same view of the sissy-ish David Niven, but in reality, he was probably the manliest of all the Bond portrayers, he was a British Commando during WWII:
https://www.wwiidogtags.com/ww2-history/david-niven-celebrity-soldier/

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David Niven’s exploits in Phantom are little-known, as the actor remained tight-lipped about his wartime experience for the rest of his life. He shunned the limelight given to celebrities who served and scorned journalists who covered the war with florid prose. He once said “Anyone who says a bullet sings past, hums past, flies, pings, or whines past, has never heard one – they go crack!” He once explained the reason behind his silence and humility: “I will, however, tell you just one thing about the war, my first story and my last. I was asked by some American friends to search out the grave of their son near Bastogne. I found it where they told me I would, but it was among 27,000 others, and I told myself that here, Niven, were 27,000 reasons why you should keep your mouth shut after the war.”
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: MillCreek on September 12, 2021, 04:03:34 PM
While we are pondering the pantheon of Bonds, I would like to put in a plug for Judi Dench playing M in seven films.  I thought she always did a fine job. I will be interested to see how Ralph Fiennes does.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 12, 2021, 04:21:59 PM
Connery, Craig, Brosnan, Moore, Dalton.

Craig didn’t have the polish, but he had the stone cold killer that even Connery didn’t quite have.  Brosnan was neither fish nor fowl.  Moore and Dalton had waaayyy to much camp.

That sums it up very well.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: T.O.M. on September 12, 2021, 07:06:09 PM
Hey, you finally got that P99?!? Cool! I know you've been wanting one for years.

Yep.  Dumb luck.  Buddy had a P99 (1st Gen), a half-dozen mags, a threaded barrel, and a couple of cheap holsters.  Long story short, we made a trade, and now I have all of that.  Now I'm shopping for holsters, and for the first time, considering a suppressor. 
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Ben on September 12, 2021, 07:14:56 PM
Yep.  Dumb luck.  Buddy had a P99 (1st Gen), a half-dozen mags, a threaded barrel, and a couple of cheap holsters.  Long story short, we made a trade, and now I have all of that.  Now I'm shopping for holsters, and for the first time, considering a suppressor.

Get a can while you can, I say.  =)
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Bogie on September 12, 2021, 07:28:48 PM
So, what exactly is CraigBond's back story? His family seems to be dead, the ancestral mansion gone to decay... A young man of the peerage who went military instead of politics after their demise? And who demised them?
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: T.O.M. on September 12, 2021, 07:39:03 PM
A few things...I've read a fan theory that the name "James Bond" is a code name, along with 007 as a code number, given to the agent.  This, they say, explains how the person continues as a spy after 50 years of fighting the enemy, still a young and fit guy.  Now, in theory, this could work in the real world.  But no.  It's altering things just to explain how six actors have played the same role.

As to Bond being played by a black actor, or other actor, I'm willing to give everyone a chance.  I went into Casino Royale (the Craig film), expecting to hate it.  Instead, I found myself drawn into this new Bond, because I thought they wrote a good story.  And, I've enjoyed all of the Craig films, some more, some less.  A woman, no.  Create a different agent who is a woman (as it appears they are doing) and I can give it a chance.

Dame Dench as M.  I expected to hate it.  Expected them to make a big deal out of her gender.  Instead, they made her a tough as nails boss who happened to be a woman.  It worked well, IMHO.  Ralph Fiennes is showing promise.  His role is Skyfall was good.

Ranking the Bonds is hard.  It's a combination of the actor, but also the writing/story.  Moore's Bond was a joke, and written to play it that way all too often.  Which is too bad because they had some decent stories to work with, and too many times they played for the laugh.  Dalton...well, he could have been okay.  But the movies were just poorly written.  I mean, Bond giving up his job to seek revenge for the attack on Felix Leiter and his wife had the potential to be an amazing story.  That's not what we got.  So, ranking the Bonds based on how I enjoyed the actor and the films he did...

1.  Connery.  He's the Bond that my great-grandfather and father introduced me to.
2.  Craig.  Like Ben, I'm enjoying the gritty killer, with a bit of style.
3.  Brosnan.  Liked two, one was meh, one was just bad.
3.  Moore.  Liked parts of the movies, dislike the campiness.
3.  Dalton.  They had potential.
4.  Lazenby.  Nope. 
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: T.O.M. on September 12, 2021, 07:39:59 PM
Get a can while you can, I say.  =)

Setting money aside!
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Ben on September 12, 2021, 07:49:16 PM
So, what exactly is CraigBond's back story? His family seems to be dead, the ancestral mansion gone to decay... A young man of the peerage who went military instead of politics after their demise? And who demised them?

It was somewhat alluded to in Casino Royale that the Intelligence Service and SAS looked for the maladjusted orphans.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 12, 2021, 08:02:59 PM
A few things...I've read a fan theory that the name "James Bond" is a code name, along with 007 as a code number, given to the agent.  This, they say, explains how the person continues as a spy after 50 years of fighting the enemy, still a young and fit guy.  Now, in theory, this could work in the real world.  But no.  It's altering things just to explain how six actors have played the same role.


Except that in some of the early books it's mentioned that he holds -- or held -- the naval rank of Commander. I doubt they would associate the military rank with an assumed name.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: T.O.M. on September 13, 2021, 07:02:43 AM
Except that in some of the early books it's mentioned that he holds -- or held -- the naval rank of Commander. I doubt they would associate the military rank with an assumed name.

True.  They even referred to him as Commander a few times in the films.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: K Frame on September 13, 2021, 07:21:05 AM
Except that in some of the early books it's mentioned that he holds -- or held -- the naval rank of Commander. I doubt they would associate the military rank with an assumed name.

Sure they would.

It's part of his overall cover.

But, more importantly, it's a movie based on a book. They can do whatever the hell they want as it's not even remotely real life.  :facepalm:

Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: WLJ on September 13, 2021, 08:31:03 AM
True.  They even referred to him as Commander a few times in the films.

In You Only Live Twice he even gets an at sea naval funeral
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: MillCreek on September 21, 2021, 06:25:01 PM
https://vt.co/entertainment/film-tv/9-of-the-top-contenders-to-play-james-bond-after-daniel-craig?utm_source=vt&utm_medium=junglecreations&utm_campaign=post&fbclid=IwAR3XV9gKFDLgrGniz96uzXoU3t2fFmlDRvQZDnd20MDZUoWSNL1hxhVEeyM

Tom Hardy is apparently leading the pack as Bond replacements.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 21, 2021, 07:16:46 PM
https://vt.co/entertainment/film-tv/9-of-the-top-contenders-to-play-james-bond-after-daniel-craig?utm_source=vt&utm_medium=junglecreations&utm_campaign=post&fbclid=IwAR3XV9gKFDLgrGniz96uzXoU3t2fFmlDRvQZDnd20MDZUoWSNL1hxhVEeyM

Tom Hardy is apparently leading the pack as Bond replacements.

And then there's Lashana Lynch.

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Her odds are currently 6/1, so it's not impossible.

"It would depend on a lot of things," she told Vogue, when she was asked about the coveted role. "Nomi represents one thing in this movie, but if she was going to represent more down the line, I would want to talk about the black female experience to the high heavens, and I don’t know if people are ready for that."

I think I can answer that -- No, we're NOT ready for that. If you want to play Bond, play a deadly secret agent. If you want to play a woke SJW -- create your own damned character.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 21, 2021, 07:19:06 PM
Any interest I might have had in hearing about the "black female experience" evaporated sometime last year. Individual experiences only, please.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: freakazoid on September 21, 2021, 08:40:54 PM
I would neither accept him played by a woman nor a black man. Just because someone is a good actor like Elba doesn't make him a good fit for the character. We all know why they would change him to either choice, and being a good actor wouldn't be it.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: BobR on September 21, 2021, 09:04:10 PM
Setting money aside!

Don't stop with a can.

You need someway to get it around.

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Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Andiron on September 21, 2021, 09:48:18 PM
I would neither accept him played by a woman nor a black man. Just because someone is a good actor like Elba doesn't make him a good fit for the character. We all know why they would change him to either choice, and being a good actor wouldn't be it.

Preach, brother.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 22, 2021, 01:23:00 AM
https://vt.co/entertainment/film-tv/9-of-the-top-contenders-to-play-james-bond-after-daniel-craig?utm_source=vt&utm_medium=junglecreations&utm_campaign=post&fbclid=IwAR3XV9gKFDLgrGniz96uzXoU3t2fFmlDRvQZDnd20MDZUoWSNL1hxhVEeyM

Tom Hardy is apparently leading the pack as Bond replacements.

Honestly, none of them strike me as Bond material.

Time to rewatch Dr. No.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: MechAg94 on September 22, 2021, 01:12:26 PM
I would neither accept him played by a woman nor a black man. Just because someone is a good actor like Elba doesn't make him a good fit for the character. We all know why they would change him to either choice, and being a good actor wouldn't be it.
Agreed.

And further, we would already know at that point that a good story and good writing and good acting would not be the priorities of the people making the movie.  I wouldn't have an issue with a movie about say Agent 004 with someone of a different race or gender, but it still needs a good story and good writing or else the movie will suck and be a failure. 

IMO, the Hollywood people that push race or gender swaps are incapable of making a good story which is why they push for race and gender swaps to leach off an existing successful franchise. 
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: K Frame on September 22, 2021, 01:15:47 PM
I would neither accept him played by a woman nor a black man. Just because someone is a good actor like Elba doesn't make him a good fit for the character. We all know why they would change him to either choice, and being a good actor wouldn't be it.

To be brutally honest, I see Elba as being a FAR better fit for the Bond character than Moore, Dalton, or Brosnan. Moore is tolerable, but watching Dalton and Brosnan was like having teeth drilled without novacaine.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: MechAg94 on September 22, 2021, 01:19:04 PM
The problem with Idris Elba is he is getting up there in age.  He would have been a better choice 10 years ago. 

Tom Holland is a horrible choice.  Tom Hardy looks like he would be better as the US counterpart/contact in a Bond movie.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Pb on September 22, 2021, 06:34:30 PM
James Bond should look Scottish man.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: K Frame on September 23, 2021, 07:18:51 AM
Daniel Craig is 5 years older than Idris Elba.

Then there's this just out...

https://news.yahoo.com/no-time-die-director-claims-073909054.html

Basically, the director of No Time to Die says that Sean Connery's character was basically a rapist. Hell, I recognized that about his character when I was 10 and watching his movies on broadcast TV.

And no, that's not Connery, that's how the character was written and a lot more indicative of the times.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: MillCreek on September 23, 2021, 10:15:16 AM
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Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: sumpnz on September 23, 2021, 03:19:31 PM
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Soooo, does this mean he must become acquainted with, as Winston Churchill would say, the finest traditions of the Royal Navy?
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: MillCreek on September 23, 2021, 03:32:15 PM
I think they are supposed to have moved on from rum, buggery, and the lash, but you never know.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Jim147 on September 23, 2021, 04:04:06 PM
The sound of hoof beats cross the glade!
Good folk, lock up your son and daughter!
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 23, 2021, 05:03:20 PM
Soooo, does this mean he must become acquainted with, as Winston Churchill would say, the finest traditions of the Royal Navy?

As an actor, I'm sure he's already acquainted with such things.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: T.O.M. on September 23, 2021, 07:26:24 PM
When Bond was written and first put on film, real manly men smoked cigarettes, drank heavily, and bedded many women...sometimes after overcoming their resistance.  A Walther PPK was a great concealment combat sidearm, with a delivery like a brick through plate glass.  Manly men wore suits often, gambled, and had memberships to the Playboy Club.

The Playboy Club is gone.  We all quit smoking, or tried, tired again.  Hard drinking isn't seen as a good thing.  The PPK is outdated firearms tech, with any of the mini 9mms being better choices.  And forcing a woman is wrong. 

Bond?  Still drinks hard.  Still carries the PPK (it's part of the character by now), but now the women are willing, and fewer. 

My care as a fan?  Wish he'd get a better gun, but give me a good story with exciting action scenes.  Casino Royale (Craig's version) and Skywalk did that well, IMHO.  Hoping this one does as well.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: K Frame on September 24, 2021, 07:11:09 AM
"Skywalk "

????

Skyfall?
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: MechAg94 on September 24, 2021, 08:31:15 AM
When Bond was written and first put on film, real manly men smoked cigarettes, drank heavily, and bedded many women...sometimes after overcoming their resistance.  A Walther PPK was a great concealment combat sidearm, with a delivery like a brick through plate glass.  Manly men wore suits often, gambled, and had memberships to the Playboy Club.

The Playboy Club is gone.  We all quit smoking, or tried, tired again.  Hard drinking isn't seen as a good thing.  The PPK is outdated firearms tech, with any of the mini 9mms being better choices.  And forcing a woman is wrong. 

Bond?  Still drinks hard.  Still carries the PPK (it's part of the character by now), but now the women are willing, and fewer. 

My care as a fan?  Wish he'd get a better gun, but give me a good story with exciting action scenes.  Casino Royale (Craig's version) and Skywalk did that well, IMHO.  Hoping this one does as well.
I thought the idea was that women desired Bond and though some were reluctant, they were not unwilling.  Either way, it isn't something acceptable to put in movies these days.  Hollywood people may act that way (with drugs thrown in), but they can't show that behavior publicly. 

Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Big Hairy Bee on September 24, 2021, 02:12:16 PM
Well I am in for opening day.  I have seen every Bond in the theaters since The Spy Who Loved Me.  The only exception was the modern Casino Royale because Craig did not strike me as Bond.  Boy was I wrong.  I think Casino Royale is one of the best stories of the series and Craig and Connery can share the top Bond billings.

Yes, Bond and the mannerisms are dated, but so are most films of the past.  Call it a history and culture lesson.

Best Bonds:
Connery/Craig
Brosnan
Dalton
Lazenby
Moore (but I love The Saint!)

Best Connery Movie--From Russia with Love
Best Moore--Spy Who Loved Me (and the overall best opening sequence and song)
Best Dalton--License to Kill
Best Brosnan--Goldeneye
Best Craig--Casino Royale (Skyfall not far behind)

Flamesuit on
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: freakazoid on September 24, 2021, 03:34:56 PM
I liked the new Casino Royale, but I found the overall plot of the Craig movies kind of confusing.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: K Frame on September 24, 2021, 03:43:00 PM
From Russia with Love?

Ugh.

Thunderball followed by Goldfinger.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Devonai on September 24, 2021, 05:19:38 PM
Casino Royale was the best Bond movie ever followed by Goldeneye as a close second. Fight me.

I agree that other 00 agents are a field rife for storytelling; Sean Bean as 006 in Goldeneye was a neat teaser in that regard. Heck, considering the incomprehensible conflagration of the "Marvel Cinematic Universe" (of which lost me a long time ago), I'm surprised such an expansion isn't more on the minds of whomever owns the rights to Bond.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Big Hairy Bee on September 24, 2021, 07:25:46 PM
From Russia with Love?

Ugh.

Thunderball followed by Goldfinger.

Hell yeah!

Robert Shaw was excellent, as was Connery getting his ass kicked awhile fighting on the train.

The Russian blonde, oh my!

Colonel Kleb and the shoe blade!

I like all the Connery flicks, just my personal preference.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: T.O.M. on September 24, 2021, 07:47:58 PM
"Skywalk "

????

Skyfall?

Can't believe my phone auto corrected Skyfall to Skywalk...  Embarassing.

The Broccoli family still owns the Bond films, and keeps a pretty tight reign on the Bond films to make sure they approve of what comes out.   Not sure who owns the book rights.  But I agree, Tales of the 00s is a wide open field to play in for writers.  The stories wouldn't even need to include "Bond," so they would be able to protect that character.  They could play with race and gender.  It could be awesome.

Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Andiron on September 26, 2021, 09:53:21 PM


Best Connery Movie--From Russia with Love
Best Moore--Spy Who Loved Me (and the overall best opening sequence and song)
Best Dalton--License to Kill
Best Brosnan--Goldeneye
Best Craig--Casino Royale (Skyfall not far behind)

Flamesuit on

Can't disagree with any of those.

Call it nostalgia, but if forced to pick,  "The spy who loved me" takes the prize.  Add all variables and it's my favorite.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 26, 2021, 10:39:19 PM
Roger Moore played Bond as such a lightweight clown than I can't put any of his Bond movies anywhere near the top. And, having read the book The Spy Who Loved Me, I couldn't include that movie even if it had been played by someone else. The only thing the movie took from the book was the title (although, apparently, the producers had no choice in the matter).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spy_Who_Loved_Me_(novel)
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: K Frame on September 27, 2021, 07:26:49 AM
"Roger Moore played Bond as such a lightweight clown than I can't put any of his Bond movies anywhere near the top."

DING DING DING!

Winner Winner Double Oh Seven Dinner!

Had Moore played Bond more like his character in The Saint his movies would have been a LOT better. But, I suspect that the writers and directors were working to actually avoid that comparison.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 30, 2021, 01:31:28 PM
https://babylonbee.com/news/james-bond-to-stay-male-will-be-played-by-elliot-page

Quote
We are pleased to announce that we have chosen male actor Elliot Page to play James Bond!" said a spokesperson. "James Bond has always been a man, and we want to be true to that legacy."
...
There is currently no official word on who will play the main Bond girl in the next film, although sources say it will be Caitlyn Jenner.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: bedlamite on October 03, 2021, 12:39:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eBU98w7PGI

Doesn't sound terrible.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 03, 2021, 01:01:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eBU98w7PGI

Doesn't sound terrible.

Wait -- Felix Leitner?

Wasn't he killed off decades ago?
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: RocketMan on October 03, 2021, 01:39:08 PM
Wait -- Felix Leitner?

Wasn't he killed off decades ago?

No, but Leiter was kidnapped, tortured and nearly killed by drug lord Franz Sanchez in "License to Kill".  Leiter's new wife was killed during this event that occurred on the day of their wedding.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 03, 2021, 01:41:27 PM
^^^ Thanks.

Memory is fleeting.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: RocketMan on October 03, 2021, 01:43:49 PM
^^^ Thanks.

Memory is fleeting.

So is glory, according to the closing scene of "Patton", but I digress.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Big Hairy Bee on October 04, 2021, 02:45:10 AM
No, but Leiter was kidnapped, tortured and nearly killed by drug lord Franz Sanchez in "License to Kill".  Leiter's new wife was killed during this event that occurred on the day of their wedding.

It's been a while, but didn't Felix get fed to the sharks?
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: RocketMan on October 04, 2021, 08:55:35 AM
It's been a while, but didn't Felix get fed to the sharks?

Yep, Sanchez suspended Leiter from a hook over a shark tank.  A shark had one of Leiter's legs and part of an arm for a snack.  Bond found him in time to save his life.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: K Frame on October 04, 2021, 10:06:42 AM
Yep, Sanchez suspended Leiter from a hook over a shark tank.  A shark had one of Leiter's legs and part of an arm for a snack.  Bond found him in time to save his life.

Saw that movie in the theater. Barely remember it.

Remember  A View to a Kill a LOT better. Christopher Walken and Grace Jones made that one pretty fun, despite Roger Moore.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: WLJ on October 04, 2021, 10:13:30 AM
Saw that movie in the theater. Barely remember it.

Remember  A View to a Kill a LOT better. Christopher Walken and Grace Jones made that one pretty fun, despite Roger Moore.

That one was a movie or two too far for Moore
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: K Frame on October 04, 2021, 10:17:10 AM
That one was a movie or two too far for Moore


Moore starred in a total of 7 Bond movies.

That's 7 too many.

8 too many if you count Moonraker as twice the suck of any other Moore movie.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Angel Eyes on October 04, 2021, 09:41:54 PM
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Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Ron on October 06, 2021, 11:00:44 PM
John Mason in The Rock was James Bond. That would make The Rock the last James Bond installment with Connery playing the role.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FdnevXjqdc
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Big Hairy Bee on October 07, 2021, 11:46:01 AM
I've got my tickets for this afternoon!
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Big Hairy Bee on October 08, 2021, 06:06:16 AM
Excellent wrap of the Craig era. A surprising closing song which was an opening song in a previous Bond film.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: charby on October 21, 2021, 07:49:34 PM
Watched it after work tonight, I enjoyed it. Shitton of homage to a lot of the past Bond flicks.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: RocketMan on June 12, 2022, 09:16:09 PM
Finally watched it streaming on Amazon.  Craig continued his stone cold killer 'Bond'.  Not sure I liked it given the ending.  Makes me wonder where they will go next with the franchise, or if it will just end finally.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: sumpnz on June 12, 2022, 09:22:32 PM
Finally watched it streaming on Amazon.  Craig continued his stone cold killer 'Bond'.  Not sure I liked it given the ending.  Makes me wonder where they will go next with the franchise, or if it will just end finally.

No way it ends.  Probably will be an LGBTWTFBBQ character next.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Bogie on June 12, 2022, 11:46:04 PM
Omg... Is Q...
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: grampster on June 16, 2022, 08:34:02 PM
"No way it ends.  Probably will be an LGBTWTFBBQ character next."

Well, the black lady was assigned 007.

"Omg... Is Q..."

Heh heh heh heh
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: Big Hairy Bee on June 18, 2022, 03:01:44 PM
I could go for this--although a reboot might want a younger actor.  Luther and The Wire were brilliant

https://movieweb.com/idris-elba-back-in-talks-star-james-bond/
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: RocketMan on June 18, 2022, 05:10:17 PM
I just don't know about Idris Elba as James Bond.  There was a point where I thought he might do well in the role.  Now, as great an actor as he is, I'm afraid he might turn out to be another George Lazenby.
On the other hand, he could turn out to be a great Bond.  It's one of those things where I'd just have to see him in the role to make up my mind.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: T.O.M. on June 19, 2022, 11:56:04 AM
Finally got around to watching it.  I quite enjoyed all of the Easter Eggs to previous Bond films.  The story was meh.  Rami Malek is a good actor, and was very underused in this film.  He's going to kill the world...why?  Would have been nice to flush out his story a bit.

Female 007?  Didn't bother me a bit, since they didn't try to make her "Jane Bond," but rather the next 00 agent after Bond retired.  And honestly, a black woman in this world can often disappear into a crowd easier than a white man.

The ending?  It's how I imagine a real Bond would be. Willing to sacrifice for the good of others.

Where we go next?  I'll be interested to see.  I'm ignoring the casting rumors, because they are just that.  I wouldn't mind a black Bond if the actor is good.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: sumpnz on June 19, 2022, 02:14:58 PM
Finally got around to watching it.  I quite enjoyed all of the Easter Eggs to previous Bond films.  The story was meh.  Rami Malek is a good actor, and was very underused in this film.  He's going to kill the world...why?  Would have been nice to flush out his story a bit.

Female 007?  Didn't bother me a bit, since they didn't try to make her "Jane Bond," but rather the next 00 agent after Bond retired.  And honestly, a black woman in this world can often disappear into a crowd easier than a white man.

The ending?  It's how I imagine a real Bond would be. Willing to sacrifice for the good of others.

Where we go next?  I'll be interested to see.  I'm ignoring the casting rumors, because they are just that.  I wouldn't mind a black Bond if the actor is good.

A black 007?  Sure.  A black (or whatever intersectionality you prefer) James Bond?  Hell  no.  Honestly, wouldn’t that be kind of insulting to black folks?  Instead of developing a character that’s black they just change a white character to a black one.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: MechAg94 on June 19, 2022, 05:26:03 PM
Finally got around to watching it.  I quite enjoyed all of the Easter Eggs to previous Bond films.  The story was meh.  Rami Malek is a good actor, and was very underused in this film.  He's going to kill the world...why?  Would have been nice to flush out his story a bit.

Female 007?  Didn't bother me a bit, since they didn't try to make her "Jane Bond," but rather the next 00 agent after Bond retired.  And honestly, a black woman in this world can often disappear into a crowd easier than a white man.

The ending?  It's how I imagine a real Bond would be. Willing to sacrifice for the good of others.

Where we go next?  I'll be interested to see.  I'm ignoring the casting rumors, because they are just that.  I wouldn't mind a black Bond if the actor is good.
If it was done because the actor is that good, sure.  With the typical Hollywood decision making, it would probably be some gay black man with little acting experience similar to Doctor Who.
Title: Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
Post by: zxcvbob on June 19, 2022, 06:06:16 PM
If it was done because the actor is that good, sure.  With the typical Hollywood decision making, it would probably be some gay black man with little acting experience similar to Doctor Who.

Is the Doctor a gay black man now?  I thought it was still Jodie Whittaker.  (she has done a fine job considering the material she's been given, but the writing has been so bad I quit watching)