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Title: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Ben on September 17, 2021, 11:18:23 AM
Has anyone else been reading about this in the news?

It boggles my mind that the boyfriend is just hiding. He drives her vehicle back home, then gives zero information to anyone. Seems like either he killed her, or else she did something really bad and he's protecting her. It sounded like she was going mental when this all happened.

Otherwise, why not cooperate, at least through your lawyer? It will be interesting to see what the real story is here.

 https://www.foxnews.com/us/gabby-petito-disappearance-brian-laundrie-florida-protest
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Bogie on September 17, 2021, 11:43:26 AM
If there is no body, there's nothing that anyone can do, right?
 
And if they find a body, if they can't prove that the body was murdered, nothing again...
 
If he stays quiet...
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: MechAg94 on September 17, 2021, 12:04:07 PM
I would think a missing persons report could at least get law enforcement to investigate.  Would the FBI get involved for that? 

Just thinking they could get credit card/bank records and figure out where they stopped and what route the van took.  Get video from various locations to confirm where they stopped seeing her.  That would give them some place to start looking.  Since it was across multiple states I would think it might require FBI or someone like that.

For that matter, what about her credit cards and such.  Did she have her own?
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 17, 2021, 12:09:11 PM
Have they hired a private dick?
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: K Frame on September 17, 2021, 12:10:45 PM
I read yesterday that there was supposedly some sort of contact with police near the park that almost resulted in her being arrested on a domestic violence charge.

I agree, though, that this whole thing is very weird.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Ben on September 17, 2021, 12:13:08 PM
Have they hired a private dick?

That's private investigator to you.

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.einvestigator.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F12%2Fmagnum-pi-dvd2-650x400.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: BobR on September 17, 2021, 12:16:48 PM
I read yesterday that there was supposedly some sort of contact with police near the park that almost resulted in her being arrested on a domestic violence charge.

I agree, though, that this whole thing is very weird.

They had contact with POlice in Utah. The cops figured they were both having some mental health issues and declined to arrest her for domestic violence. There are quite a few places that have posted the body cam footage. The entire 1 hour plus encounter is posted on you tube.

bob

Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Ben on September 17, 2021, 12:17:56 PM
The entire 1 hour plus encounter is posted on you tube.

bob

I saw that yesterday but didn't want to sit through a whole hour of it. I wonder if someone has done an executive summary of it somewhere?
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: MillCreek on September 17, 2021, 12:20:00 PM
From what I read, I wonder if the woman had bipolar and was experiencing a manic episode.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: K Frame on September 17, 2021, 12:52:47 PM
"The cops figured they were both having some mental health issues..."

Hum... I'm wondering if they may have been experiencing drug issues.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: MechAg94 on September 17, 2021, 01:40:53 PM
"The cops figured they were both having some mental health issues..."

Hum... I'm wondering if they may have been experiencing drug issues.
I was thinking that also.  It could be they split and she took off with someone else.  Not sure why he wouldn't say that if that was the case (at least to family). 
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 17, 2021, 02:27:04 PM
Been sort of following it, but there's not much to follow. At the very least, it would seem that the cops could bust him for auto theft, since the van is her vehicle and he drove it home to Florida alone.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: grampster on September 17, 2021, 03:18:39 PM
Not defending the guy in any way...but keeping your mouth totally shut, period, end of story, is smart. :old:
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: just Warren on September 17, 2021, 07:53:01 PM
Quote
Been sort of following it, but there's not much to follow. At the very least, it would seem that the cops could bust him for auto theft, since the van is her vehicle and he drove it home to Florida alone.


There was a guy near here that was the only suspect in his GF's disappearance.

He refused to talk to the cops and they had no real evidence so could not do anything.

However, it turns out he was a felon and thus a prohibited person and when circumstances forced him to move in with a family member who owned a shotgun they got him on felon in possession. 

So they put him away for that.

Thing is, the shottie was disassembled and in the attic and there's a good chance our boy didn't even know it was there.

So was that a fair way to get the guy?
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 17, 2021, 07:58:12 PM
Update -- of sorts: https://news.yahoo.com/gabby-petito-told-police-her-200602504.html
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Ben on September 17, 2021, 09:10:42 PM
Update -- of sorts: https://news.yahoo.com/gabby-petito-told-police-her-200602504.html

Just randomly skipped through the video because again, I didn't want to watch an hour of it. I certainly could have missed something pertinent, but from the snippets I watched, it seemed like he was protecting her from getting in trouble. For instance, when asked why he swerved into the curb, saying that she grabbed the steering wheel versus what seemed to have actually occurred, which was her hitting him. The cop seem to think that anyway.

I'm almost going back to thinking he's being silent to protect her. Also, now that I saw the whole travel blog thing, I can't help but think it might also be a publicity stunt gone awry.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Ben on September 17, 2021, 10:33:35 PM
And it gets even weirder:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/missing-gabby-petito-florida-police-brian-laundrie-home
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 17, 2021, 11:29:24 PM
More: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/blissful-video-troubled-travel-police-bodycam-footage-is-latest-twist-in-gabby-petito-mystery/ar-AAOx2q2
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: gunsmith on September 18, 2021, 03:37:47 AM
 imo.
 like a ton of girls out there, she turned down a boatload of nice guys to go on an adventure with a bad boy.
 Pray for her, she will not be found alive.
 He will plea deal, do under ten, get a movie deal, get out and kill again.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: JTHunter on September 18, 2021, 03:54:54 PM
Here is another option.
The incident in Utah seemed to indicate she was having some kind of mental aberration, possibly stress related.  She was hitting him which almost got her arrested that night.  They continued on their journey but her mental problems continued.  Because of that, she may have told him to get lost so he abandoned her (not smart) and drove home.  Petito may have then hooked up with somebody else in an effort to get home on her own - also not smart.

Just thinkin'.
  =|
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Jim147 on September 18, 2021, 04:59:47 PM
Now he has disappeared. Maybe one of her relatives has a wood chipper.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Boomhauer on September 18, 2021, 05:08:02 PM
Now he has disappeared. Maybe one of her relatives has a wood chipper.

The police might not have been able to make him talk but I bet a pair of jumper cables and some golf cart batteries rigged up will.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Ben on September 18, 2021, 06:17:20 PM
The police might not have been able to make him talk but I bet a pair of jumper cables and some golf cart batteries rigged up will.

https://youtu.be/cy2Xj8Pz2Tk
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Boomhauer on September 19, 2021, 07:23:34 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/gabby-petito-north-port-police-tiktok-laundrie-hitchhiking

TLDR couple picked up the boyfriend and he offered them $200 to drive him 10 miles then freaked out and bailed when they told him they were headed for Jackson.

Sure as hell doesn’t sound like an innocent man…but they both sound like the kind of *expletive deleted*ing weirdos that are attracted like to the parks like flies to *expletive deleted*it.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: K Frame on September 19, 2021, 07:30:35 AM
The police might not have been able to make him talk but I bet a pair of jumper cables and some golf cart batteries rigged up will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahObgDYU58E
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: gunsmith on September 19, 2021, 07:50:25 AM
  I've been following the case a little bit, I used to follow van life stuff on youtube because there is a lot of good info for shtf     like solar, rapid evac of your area with water/food/bed/shelter already available - all sorts of neat applications and heck, I hate rent too.
Some van life folks are making good money, nomad land movie too, ( filmed like it followed my life - I moved out of Gerlach, NV lived in my truck, went to near quartzsite, AZ )

The kids got a bad case of cabin fever, but, yes, she could be the bad actor here...but I doubt it
 if he didn't kill her, why didn't he talk?

 his disappearance at first made me think he was fleeing due to guilt but yeah, you guys might be right - a relative could have accidentally killed him while extracting information with enhanced interrogation techniques
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 19, 2021, 10:53:02 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/gabby-petito-north-port-police-tiktok-laundrie-hitchhiking

TLDR couple picked up the boyfriend and he offered them $200 to drive him 10 miles then freaked out and bailed when they told him they were headed for Jackson.

Sure as hell doesn’t sound like an innocent man…but they both sound like the kind of *expletive deleted*ing weirdos that are attracted like to the parks like flies to *expletive deleted*it.

Weird. Why was he hitchhiking if he had Gabby's van?
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Ben on September 19, 2021, 05:19:47 PM
Well, probably bad news:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/body-found-where-gabby-petito-search-is-underway-in-wyoming-no-confirmation-of-identity

If that means the boyfriend killed her, hopefully he ran into an alligator where he's currently hiding out.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 19, 2021, 05:33:31 PM
One thing I've noticed is that the media consistently refer to the van as a Transit. But after looking at clips from some of Gabby's videos, it's clear that the van is actually the smaller Transit Connect model. I have to wonder if that's affecting the kind of information the police and the FBI are receiving.

On another note -- I can't imagine trying to camp for months at a time in a Transit Connect.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Boomhauer on September 19, 2021, 06:02:41 PM
Weird. Why was he hitchhiking if he had Gabby's van?

My guess is when he couldn’t get away quick enough he returned to the van
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: T.O.M. on September 19, 2021, 06:28:40 PM
Breaking news is the found a female body they believe to be hers.  He still hasn't been found. Thinki g he went in the woods and offed himself.  Florida predators (gators, panthers, etc.) may make that body impossible to find.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: gunsmith on September 19, 2021, 07:47:10 PM
Breaking news is the found a female body they believe to be hers.  He still hasn't been found. Thinki g he went in the woods and offed himself.  Florida predators (gators, panthers, etc.) may make that body impossible to find.

could be, I bet the coward will be caught.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 19, 2021, 08:03:44 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gabby-petitos-body-believed-to-have-been-found-in-grand-teton-national-park-fbi-says/ar-AAOCd1L

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/gabby-petito-update-body-found-in-wyoming-believed-to-be-missing-woman
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: gunsmith on September 19, 2021, 09:45:21 PM
imo.
 like a ton of girls out there, she turned down a boatload of nice guys to go on an adventure with a bad boy.
 Pray for her, she will not be found alive.
 He will plea deal, do under ten, get a movie deal, get out and kill again.

well, it looks like so far I'm halfway correct. I hate it, its terrible and I'd like to punch the dude. kudo's to the cops that found her so the family can begin the grieving process.
I've been sort of avoiding the story, it seems like I've seen this movie before
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 19, 2021, 10:33:24 PM
It's now pretty clear (if there was any doubt before) that he killed her. They probably had another fight, so he killed her to shut her up. Then, rather than manning up about it, he dumped her body and went scurrying home to mommy and daddy Mommy and daddy, instead of doing the right thing and either talking him into surrendering or calling the cops, instead lawyered up and shut up. Then, once she was declared a missing person, his family started issuing platitudes< though their lawyer) about how they were praying that she would be found.

The whole bleepin' family should be charged with obstruction of justice, harboring a fugitive, and anything else the cops can throw at them.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: French G. on September 19, 2021, 11:08:18 PM
I guess, who cares. Fox news is the only US news site I look at anymore and it is all Gabby, all the time. Tragedy she is dead. How many others happened in that time but weren't a good looking white girl?
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: MechAg94 on September 19, 2021, 11:40:29 PM
I guess, who cares. Fox news is the only US news site I look at anymore and it is all Gabby, all the time. Tragedy she is dead. How many others happened in that time but weren't a good looking white girl?

IMO, that might actually be an interesting regular journalism story listing and looking into missing persons reports.  Not sure if the endings would be all that good. 

Gabby Petito one of three people missing near Grand Teton Park this summer
https://nypost.com/2021/09/18/gabby-petito-one-of-three-people-missing-near-grand-teton-park-this-summer/
No one cares about white guys. 
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: lee n. field on September 20, 2021, 08:15:01 AM
I guess, who cares. Fox news is the only US news site I look at anymore and it is all Gabby, all the time. Tragedy she is dead. How many others happened in that time but weren't a good looking white girl?

"Pretty white girl in trouble", news story all the time.  What are we being distracted from?
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Ron on September 20, 2021, 08:25:38 AM
They found a body in Wyoming matching her description.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: MechAg94 on September 20, 2021, 09:33:20 AM
"Pretty white girl in trouble", news story all the time.  What are we being distracted from?
$3.5 Trillion spending package trying to get pushed through Congress via reconciliation to avoid the filibuster? 

Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Ben on September 20, 2021, 10:20:32 AM
$3.5 Trillion spending package trying to get pushed through Congress via reconciliation to avoid the filibuster?

Listening to a run down of the budget trickery the dems are using, that's actually more like $8 trillion.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: WLJ on September 20, 2021, 10:28:54 AM
Listening to a run down of the budget trickery the dems are using, that's actually more like $8 trillion.

The higher they can ramp up inflation the more people they can get depended on the government.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 20, 2021, 11:15:24 AM
Listening to a run down of the budget trickery the dems are using, that's actually more like $8 trillion.

More to the point, the Dems tried to sneak citizenship for DACA residents into the bill, and the Senate parliamentarian (bless her heart) nixed it. Schumer and Omar ar apoplectic.

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-immigration-e590795e4593feccb2d966090a633be7
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: WLJ on September 21, 2021, 05:31:31 PM
Confirmation it's her

Autopsy confirms remains found in Wyoming are Gabby Petito's, FBI says
https://www.wlky.com/article/autopsy-confirms-remains-found-in-wyoming-are-gabby-petitos-fbi-says/37682214
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 21, 2021, 05:41:57 PM
Confirmation it's her

Autopsy confirms remains found in Wyoming are Gabby Petito's, FBI says
https://www.wlky.com/article/autopsy-confirms-remains-found-in-wyoming-are-gabby-petitos-fbi-says/37682214

Cause of death not yet determined.

Dollars to donuts it'll be strangulation.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Ben on September 21, 2021, 05:46:02 PM
They did say that it was homicide though. Of course it could be manslaughter. The way they seemed to be having ongoing physical altercations, he could have easily shoved her down hard and her head may have impacted a rock or something. One story I saw said that there was a cross made of stones where the body was found.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: WLJ on October 20, 2021, 01:20:20 PM
Medical examiner and cadaver dog called to park where investigators found Brian Laundrie's items
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/20/us/brian-laundrie-update-gabby-petito/index.html?utm_content=2021-10-20T16%3A35%3A05&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twcnnbrk&utm_term=link
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: K Frame on October 20, 2021, 01:59:51 PM
Cause of death not yet determined.

Dollars to donuts it'll be strangulation.

Good call on that a month ago, Hawk. She was strangled.

Of course.... me thinks you know a little too much... where were you during this time? Hum?
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Ben on October 20, 2021, 07:23:29 PM
A notebook was found, and Laundrie is now a murder suspect. Additionally, human remains were found in the same area (apparently it was underwater until now), identification pending.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-brian-laundrie-human-remains-manhunt
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: MillCreek on October 20, 2021, 07:41:28 PM
So I wonder if he did the decent thing and ate his gun, or did some local fauna do him in.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: WLJ on October 20, 2021, 08:10:12 PM
or did some local fauna do him in.

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Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: MillCreek on October 21, 2021, 07:45:39 PM
The remains are of Mr. Laundrie.

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/21/1048190083/remains-brian-laundrie-gabby-petito?utm_term=nprnews&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=facebook.com
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: MillCreek on November 23, 2021, 02:23:58 PM
Mr. Laundrie shot himself in the head: https://nypost.com/2021/11/23/brian-laundrie-final-autopsy-results-released/
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: 230RN on November 23, 2021, 02:46:31 PM
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Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: T.O.M. on November 23, 2021, 10:06:13 PM
Mr. Laundrie shot himself in the head: https://nypost.com/2021/11/23/brian-laundrie-final-autopsy-results-released/

Too bad. I was hoping for death by gator.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 23, 2021, 10:24:43 PM
Mr. Laundrie shot himself in the head: https://nypost.com/2021/11/23/brian-laundrie-final-autopsy-results-released/

Nonsense. Epstein did it.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: gunsmith on November 23, 2021, 10:45:35 PM
Nonsense. Epstein did it.


 :rofl: :rofl: :old: :old:

 looking back, I was wrong in my prediction that the criminal would get a book deal, ... I hope you guys can forgive me....
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 21, 2022, 05:46:31 PM
I'm sure no one will be surprised to learn that Brian Laundrie killed Gabby Petito.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brian-laundrie-gabby-petito-death-notebook-fbi/?intcid=CNI-00-10aaa3b
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: HankB on January 21, 2022, 06:00:22 PM

 :rofl: :rofl: :old: :old:

 looking back, I was wrong in my prediction that the criminal would get a book deal, ... I hope you guys can forgive me....
Maybe not - you've heard of ghost writers, haven't you?
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: gunsmith on January 23, 2022, 12:54:33 AM
Maybe not - you've heard of ghost writers, haven't you?
  "yippie I ay, yippie I oh. ghost writers in the sky-eye"
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 23, 2022, 02:13:26 AM
  "yippie I ay, yippie I oh. ghost writers in the sky-eye"

 ;/   :facepalm:   [ar15]
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: HankB on January 23, 2022, 11:48:12 AM
  "yippie I ay, yippie I oh. ghost writers in the sky-eye"
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.gr-assets.com%2Fimages%2FS%2Fcompressed.photo.goodreads.com%2Fbooks%2F1327875418i%2F12988869._UY450_SS450_.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F41t-f%252BivB8L._SY344_BO1%2C204%2C203%2C200_.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Cliffh on January 23, 2022, 07:05:00 PM
  "yippie I ay, yippie I oh. ghost writers in the sky-eye"

OK, that's weird timing. 

I've been trying to remember the tune to that song all day - all I could remember where some of the words, just not enough.

Sucks when old-timers hits....
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 23, 2022, 10:47:55 PM
OK, that's weird timing. 

I've been trying to remember the tune to that song all day - all I could remember where some of the words, just not enough.

Sucks when old-timers hits....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMll6TNnTs4
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Cliffh on January 25, 2022, 06:50:57 PM
One of my favorite renditions.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: zxcvbob on January 25, 2022, 08:51:01 PM
Johnny Cash's version is good, but my favorite is Vaughn Monroe.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Cliffh on January 25, 2022, 09:08:00 PM
Now ya got me tunneling down the rabbit hole (aka youtube) listening to Ghost Riders by various artists.

Not too bad a way to spend a (for me) Sat. night.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 25, 2022, 10:23:02 PM
Johnny Cash's version is good, but my favorite is Vaughn Monroe.

I think his was the original, IINM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsfw9CEQITA

I find the tempo a bit too fast.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 25, 2022, 10:30:28 PM
Wrong again!

This is the original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka90ERKLTJQ

I still prefer Johnny Cash's version.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: gunsmith on January 28, 2022, 12:19:23 AM
I have to re-learn that song, I've loved it a long time.
  but the lyrics, I never considered riding a ghost bronco across the sky to be that bad, considering the alternatives
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: gunsmith on January 28, 2022, 08:00:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnP3gZ6abGM&list=PLwYyJUnbEv3vIPBBNiHet7NC3baoF0i2X&index=11&t=908s
NSFW LANGUAGE
 there seems to be some chatter on the y-tubes brian laundry is still alive.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 28, 2022, 10:44:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnP3gZ6abGM&list=PLwYyJUnbEv3vIPBBNiHet7NC3baoF0i2X&index=11&t=908s
NSFW LANGUAGE
 there seems to be some chatter on the y-tubes brian laundry is still alive.

Sorry -- aside from not getting good vibes about her reading of some of the tarot cards, her voice makes me long for the sweet sound of fingernails on a blackboard.
Title: Re: Another Weird Crime Story
Post by: JTHunter on January 29, 2022, 05:36:55 PM
Check out the version by "Ben Cartwright" - Lorne Green.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dIKXvXUpxg