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Title: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on September 18, 2021, 10:48:36 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/prosecutors-cant-show-kyle-rittenhouse-proud-boys

Looks like Kyle Rittenhouse might have a halfway decent judge for his trial.  Judge says persecution can’t use at trial any affiliation with the Proud Boys, or the alleged altercation with a female (which now appears to have been in defense of his sister, not some random or “racist” assault) from a month or so before the Kenosha shootings. And while he deferred ruling on a video where Rittenhouse said he would like to shoot looters, the judge did say he was inclined to exclude that too.

There’s also a motion to dismiss the underage possession charge that has been deferred.  Be interesting to see if that gets tossed.  From my reading of the relevant WI law I think it should be.  Granted, I think all of the charges should be dismissed.   
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on September 18, 2021, 10:56:05 AM
There’s also a motion to dismiss the underage possession charge that has been deferred.  Be interesting to see if that gets tossed.  From my reading of the relevant WI law I think it should be.  Granted, I think all of the charges should be dismissed.

Regardless of any "dumb kid" stuff he did before or after the incident, every bit of evidence shown to the public so far shows a clear case of self defense. He should be found not guilty. I imagine that there will be George Floyd levels of "peaceful" protests when that happens.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Boomhauer on September 18, 2021, 10:56:27 AM
If he gets off the autistic screeching from the left will be beyond any level seen previously

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MikeB on September 18, 2021, 11:22:19 AM
Who should be on trial is the Democrat Governor that allowed these violent and destructive ‘protests’ to go on for political gain. If the governor had been doing his job, Kyle wouldn’t have been there and armed to begin with and wouldn’t have had to face down multiple violent threats against him.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on September 18, 2021, 12:00:26 PM
If he gets off the autistic screeching from the left will be beyond any level seen previously

Russians!
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Pb on September 18, 2021, 03:00:02 PM
Regardless of any "dumb kid" stuff he did before or after the incident, every bit of evidence shown to the public so far shows a clear case of self defense. He should be found not guilty. I imagine that there will be George Floyd levels of "peaceful" protests when that happens.

The deceased scumbags were white, so maybe not.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: JTHunter on September 18, 2021, 04:12:36 PM
This sounds like good news for Kyle.  I hope it turns out that way and some "politician" doesn't try to pull the rug out from under him and his attorneys.

Rather than quote all the previous posts, I'll just say I agree with all of them.  Keep us posted as this is the first news I have heard about this in weeks.
  [popcorn]
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: bedlamite on September 18, 2021, 05:19:37 PM
persecution

(https://i1.wp.com/quicklol.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/pelican-what-you-did-there-i-see-it.jpg)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on September 19, 2021, 07:33:48 AM
I really want to see if they successfully squash mention of his assailants' records...
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 19, 2021, 11:01:00 AM
I really want to see if they successfully squash mention of his assailants' records...

They probably will -- that's firmly established legal precedent (if not principle). It shouldn't make any difference. Rittenhouse was assaulted, and he acted in self defense. That's all that should matter.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: HankB on September 19, 2021, 11:26:37 AM
I really want to see if they successfully squash mention of his assailants' records...
Hmmmm. . . good question. Thinking back to the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin incident, I remember the press and the prosecution were digging deep into Zimmerman's past, hoping they could portray him as some sort of white hispanic mixture of Simon Legree, David Duke, and (of course) Hitler. This was considered right and proper. But when the defense happened to mention that THC from pot smoking was found in Martin's autopsy, and when unflattering pix of Martin began circulating on the internet, the press and prosecution were apoplectic in their outrage.

I won't be surprised to see something similar in the Rittenhouse trial - but without the racial component since shooter and shootees weren't black. (On the other hand, it WAS a typically peaceful BLM protest, right?)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on October 08, 2021, 11:14:38 AM
Force Expert: Rittenhouse Decisions to Shoot Were Reasonable

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2021-10-04/rittenhouse-due-in-court-for-likely-final-motions-hearing

Quote
KENOSHA, Wis. (AP) — An Illinois man who shot three people during a protest over police brutality in Wisconsin last year was justified because the men confronted him and two of them tried to wrestle his gun away, a use-of-force expert called by the defense testified at a pretrial hearing Tuesday.

While I agree that Rittenhouse's actions were justified, I'm not sure what difference it will make.  This is a political prosecution, so the facts don't really matter.


Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on October 08, 2021, 11:19:39 AM
Even if they let him go every SJW race baiting lawyer and activist within a 500 mile radius will make his life a living hell.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on October 08, 2021, 11:23:11 AM
Force Expert: Rittenhouse Decisions to Shoot Were Reasonable

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2021-10-04/rittenhouse-due-in-court-for-likely-final-motions-hearing

While I agree that Rittenhouse's actions were justified, I'm not sure what difference it will make.  This is a political prosecution, so the facts don't really matter.
The main difference is none of the people shot were brown.  Not sure if that will make a difference or not.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on October 08, 2021, 11:27:31 AM
The main difference is none of the people shot were brown.  Not sure if that will make a difference or not.

They were there for a "brown cause".
I'm sure something along those lines will be used against him
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on October 08, 2021, 11:34:23 AM
Why just "brown" and not "black"?!? Are you guys shading people?!? Racists! Nazis!
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: dogmush on October 08, 2021, 11:46:16 AM
I hope he learns from OJ and Zimmerman and disappears.  Go to live quietly somewhere in a small red county.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on October 08, 2021, 11:48:12 AM
I hope he learns from OJ and Zimmerman and disappears.  Go to live quietly somewhere in a small red county.

Both make the news from time to time usually after doing something stupid.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on October 08, 2021, 11:49:07 AM
Why just "brown" and not "black"?!? Are you guys shading people?!? Racists! Nazis!

(https://pics.me.me/thumb_cheers-pink-skin-made-on-imgur-when-i-tell-my-26953157.png)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on October 08, 2021, 12:01:23 PM
I hope he learns from OJ and Zimmerman and disappears.  Go to live quietly somewhere in a small red county.

I dunno. I'm a firm believer in "not guilty" for this trial, but he's a kid, and has already made some dumb choices outside of this. I'm afraid he'll end up in the news like Zimmerman. Maybe not from consciously doing something stupid, but from "kid" doing something stupid. As an unknown kid, no one would take notice, because kids do dumb stuff, but he is going to be followed around by media for years.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on October 08, 2021, 12:07:22 PM
I hope he learns from OJ and Zimmerman and disappears.  Go to live quietly somewhere in a small red county.

He might not be allowed to disappear for a loooong time.  If they have to the left will send useful idiots to bait him into doing something they can portray as stupid.

Zimmerman was stupid enough they didn’t need to bait him. 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on October 08, 2021, 12:07:54 PM
I dunno. I'm a firm believer in "not guilty" for this trial, but he's a kid, and has already made some dumb choices outside of this. I'm afraid he'll end up in the news like Zimmerman. Maybe not from consciously doing something stupid, but from "kid" doing something stupid. As an unknown kid, no one would take notice, because kids do dumb stuff, but he is going to be followed around by media for years.

Yes, leftists can be hateful, vindictive, and hold grudges.  Look at the one guy who shot at Zimmerman after seeing him driving around.  He doesn't have to do anything stupid for this to follow him.  That will happen no matter what. 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RocketMan on October 08, 2021, 01:29:00 PM
Young Mr. Rittenhouse will be going to jail.  This is a political trial that he cannot win, regardless whether he is guilty or not.  (For the record, I believe he acted in self-defense and is therefore not guilty.)  He really needs to be thinking about how he is going to survive in the big house.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on October 08, 2021, 01:44:56 PM
Young Mr. Rittenhouse will be going to jail.  This is a political trial that he cannot win, regardless whether he is guilty or not.  (For the record, I believe he acted in self-defense and is therefore not guilty.)  He really needs to be thinking about how he is going to survive in the big house.

The judge seems to be trying to be fair, unlike the Chauvin judge.  So, maybe he has half a chance.  Depends on the jury.

But I agree with you otherwise.  If he does wind up in prison he will most likely spend a LOT of time in solitary confinement.  For his safety.  Which it will be to some extent, but also as a means of torturing him.  The government in WI is not happy with him, obviously, and will do everything they can to break him. 

He’s over 18 now, so he won’t go to juvie.  His best bet will probably be to get with the Jesus freaks, or some non-gang group that can still offer a degree of protection if he’s not in solitary.  Worst thing he could do would be to align with a white gang like Aryan Nation.  That would just harden the perception that he was a white supremacist from the beginning. 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on October 08, 2021, 02:04:02 PM
If he’s convicted on the murder/attempted murder/assault counts he will go to a maximum security prison.  Violent offenses like that automatically get you sent there, regardless of any other potential considerations.

If he only gets convicted on the minor in possession of a weapon charge he likely would get probation or perhaps a short stint on a medium or even low security prison.  That is a misdemeanor so I don’t think it’s possible to sentence him to more than a year, and doubtful could send him to maximum security on it alone.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Boomhauer on October 08, 2021, 05:30:00 PM
Hopefully the jury is comprised of people who are not amused a bunch of Antifa decided to burn their city to the ground and aren’t unhappy two of them got turned into good communists.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: dogmush on October 08, 2021, 05:59:37 PM
Hopefully the jury is comprised of people who are not amused a bunch of Antifa decided to burn their city to the ground and aren’t unhappy two of them got turned into good communists.

Just needs to have one.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: bedlamite on October 08, 2021, 06:00:42 PM
Just needs to have one.

A dozen would be better.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on October 08, 2021, 06:04:02 PM
Hopefully the jury is comprised of people who are not amused a bunch of Antifa decided to burn their city to the ground and aren’t unhappy two of them got turned into good communists.

I'm not hopeful. From what I saw, the population there seems pretty progressive. I guess it depends on how far into the sticks the county there goes for if they will have a diverse jury pool.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on October 08, 2021, 07:33:48 PM
I'm not hopeful. From what I saw, the population there seems pretty progressive. I guess it depends on how far into the sticks the county there goes for if they will have a diverse jury pool.

Oh, they’ll have a “diverse” jury all right.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on October 26, 2021, 04:14:46 PM
I think Rittenhouse lucked out on this judge.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/10/26/judge-rules-that-kyle-rittenhouses-defense-can-refer-to-men-killed-during-kenosha-riot-as-rioters-and-looters-but-prosecution-cannot-call-them-victims/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RocketMan on October 26, 2021, 05:19:23 PM
That link leads to a twitchy story on the Loudoun County school board hiding the recent sexual assaults.  It's Twitchy's fault though, not your's, Ben.  They goobered something up at their site.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on October 26, 2021, 05:32:07 PM
It goes straight to the Rittenhouse story when I click it. Maybe they had a glitch.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on October 26, 2021, 05:40:15 PM
Link works for me.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RocketMan on October 26, 2021, 08:55:37 PM
It goes straight to the Rittenhouse story when I click it. Maybe they had a glitch.

Must have been.  Link is working now.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on October 26, 2021, 10:42:53 PM
I think Rittenhouse lucked out on this judge.

I'm inclined to agree.  The usual suspects on social media are losing their excrement over the ruling.

On a tangent:  I have the impression that lots of people have already made up their minds on the matter:  to some Rittenhouse is obviously guilty, to others he's obviously innocent.  When the verdict is eventually reached, one group or the other will take it as proof that the system is irrevocably broken. 

What that means for the future of our criminal-justice system is not promising.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on October 27, 2021, 12:37:18 AM
I'm inclined to agree.  The usual suspects on social media are losing their excrement over the ruling.

On a tangent:  I have the impression that lots of people have already made up their minds on the matter:  to some Rittenhouse is obviously guilty, to others he's obviously innocent.  When the verdict is eventually reached, one group or the other will take it as proof that the system is irrevocably broken. 

What that means for the future of our criminal-justice system is not promising.


The future of our criminal justice system is a secondary effect.  That such a large number of people are incapable of groking righteous self defense means our educational system is also irretrievably broken (not a surprise to anyone with school age kids).  And that our media is also irredeemably opposed to freedom of, well, anything.

All of which means it’s only a matter of time until the whole damn thing comes crumbling down.  It’s basically already there, just that enough people haven’t noticed yet.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 27, 2021, 12:48:20 AM
The future of our criminal justice system is a secondary effect.  That such a large number of people are incapable of groking righteous self defense...


I suspect most of those people are unaware that Rittenhouse was even being attacked. They just think he was firing on the mostly peaceful demonstrators at the mostly peaceful demonstration.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on October 27, 2021, 09:34:31 AM

I suspect most of those people are unaware that Rittenhouse was even being attacked. They just think he was firing on the mostly peaceful demonstrators at the mostly peaceful demonstration.

The narrative that was and still is being pushed on Zimmerman is that he chased down a poor totally innocent 8 year old black kid that was minding his own business and then shot him in the back while he as on the ground. I'm sure that's the only version many have heard and anyone who questions that version is labeled a lying racist. Much the same is being done with Rittenhouse. Or for that matter in the Breonna Taylor case to a large extent as well.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: just Warren on October 27, 2021, 12:57:00 PM
And Mike Brown and Jacob Blake.


EDIT: And going way, way, back, Rodney King.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on October 29, 2021, 02:00:10 PM
One point that I never see picked apart is that it is reported to this day that past tense scumbag #1 was unarmed and threw a plastic bag at Rittenhouse. Okay, go get an empty dollar store bag and throw it. Now look at the video. Was that a bag or a brick wrapped in a bag?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on October 29, 2021, 02:40:12 PM
One point that I never see picked apart is that it is reported to this day that past tense scumbag #1 was unarmed and threw a plastic bag at Rittenhouse. Okay, go get an empty dollar store bag and throw it. Now look at the video. Was that a bag or a brick wrapped in a bag?

Iirc he had just been released from a mental hospital or jail earlier that day.  The bag held some of his personal stuff like toothpaste, hair brush, etc.  Depending on what was in there it could have been enough weight to effectively throw.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 29, 2021, 11:08:45 PM
The thread title should be "Kyle trial." It rhymes! We should always refer to the mob's intended victim as Kyle, not Rittenhouse. This humanizes him, in the same way that referring to Martin as Trayvon humanized him, and made him more sympathetic. Americans must start to use language as a weapon, in much the same way the enemy does. (Without the chronic mendacity, of course.)

Iirc he had just been released from a mental hospital or jail earlier that day.  The bag held some of his personal stuff like toothpaste, hair brush, etc.  Depending on what was in there it could have been enough weight to effectively throw.

And if you're being mobbed by a bunch of fascists/racists, as Kyle was, you might feel it necessary to assume the worst about what might be in the bag. That's the kind of thing Leftists can't grasp, unless it happened to one of their own.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on October 29, 2021, 11:15:00 PM
And if you're being mobbed by a bunch of fascists/racists, as Kyle was, you might feel it necessary to assume the worst about what might be in the bag. That's the kind of thing Leftists can't grasp, unless it happened to one of their own.

I’m not sure he even realized at the time anything had been thrown at him.  It doesn’t materially affect the righteousness of his self defense claim.  Even had nothing been thrown he would have been fully justified in shooting ex-scumbag #1.  That it was thrown makes it a little easier to show self defense but it isn’t necessary.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on October 30, 2021, 07:29:47 AM
Ladies and gentlemen of the Jury. I need a volunteer for the skateboard demonstration...
 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: HankB on October 30, 2021, 10:59:25 AM
Ladies and gentlemen of the Jury. I need a volunteer for the skateboard demonstration... perhaps a member of the prosecution team will step forward?
Finished your sentence.  ;)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on October 30, 2021, 11:15:32 AM
And to ensure firearms safety in the demonstration we've brought in a Hollywood actor and a professorial armorer both fresh off the Rust movie set.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 30, 2021, 02:13:43 PM
I remain deeply disappointed that there are multiple members on one of the pro-gun, pro-2A discussion forums who continue to pronounce -- in no uncertain terms -- that Rittenhouse is guilty of murder. When challenged, they just double down.

It's no wonder the Second Amendment is in trouble in this country.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on October 30, 2021, 02:26:00 PM
I remain deeply disappointed that there are multiple members on one of the pro-gun, pro-2A discussion forums who continue to pronounce -- in no uncertain terms -- that Rittenhouse is guilty of murder. When challenged, they just double down.

It's no wonder the Second Amendment is in trouble in this country.
I believe I have noticed that before.  Some people seem to get in the mindset that if you self defense wasn't perfectly done it doesn't count.  But I haven't read the comments you mention.  Wonder if those people are not really as pro-2A, pro-self defense as they claim to be.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on October 30, 2021, 02:39:21 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/3vXFcGg/rittenhouse-1.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 30, 2021, 04:33:49 PM
I believe I have noticed that before.  Some people seem to get in the mindset that if you self defense wasn't perfectly done it doesn't count.  But I haven't read the comments you mention.  Wonder if those people are not really as pro-2A, pro-self defense as they claim to be.

To put it bluntly, I think it comes down to their just not being nearly as intelligent as they like to think they are.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: JTHunter on November 01, 2021, 04:49:03 PM
We will see what happens now that the actual trial has started jury selection.  [popcorn]
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: bedlamite on November 01, 2021, 08:14:33 PM
Just watched Viva/Barnes. Defense just pushed out Barnes' team, and from the sound of it, just screwed up jury selection.  =(
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 01, 2021, 08:23:25 PM
Just watched Viva/Barnes. Defense just pushed out Barnes' team, and from the sound of it, just screwed up jury selection.  =(

Explain please?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: bedlamite on November 01, 2021, 10:51:21 PM
Explain please?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rE8iX5eKXgA

Starts about 12 minutes in
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 02, 2021, 12:41:12 PM
It appears the prosecution is off to a fine start, apparently not realizing that there is video evidence refuting what they are saying.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/02/hes-aware-this-is-all-on-tape-right-lead-prosecutor-in-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-kicks-things-off-by-lying-about-confrontation-with-rioter-who-was-killed/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 02, 2021, 01:16:14 PM
Quote
    Thomas Binger, the lead prosecutor in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, starts opening statements by saying Joseph Rosenbaum was unarmed when Rittenhouse shot and killed him: "This occurred after [Rittenhouse] chased down Mr. Rosenbaum and confronted him while wielding that AR-15." pic.twitter.com/Kl1U20n6At

    — Julio Rosas (@Julio_Rosas11) November 2, 2021

He pretty much just copied the narrative from the Zimmerman trial. Just changed the names.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: kgbsquirrel on November 02, 2021, 01:40:16 PM
How is such a blatant misrepresentation of known fact by the government prosecutor not considered malfeasance and a gross ethics violation?  Just curious.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 02, 2021, 01:48:32 PM
How could someone that delusional maintain a law practice?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Pb on November 02, 2021, 02:02:49 PM
How is such a blatant misrepresentation of known fact by the government prosecutor not considered malfeasance and a gross ethics violation?  Just curious.

Laws are for punishing conservatives, that is why.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: dogmush on November 02, 2021, 06:16:32 PM
I thought opening and closing arguments the lawyers could say whatever  they wanted, even lie to set up their theory of the events.?  Is that not a thing?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 02, 2021, 06:30:27 PM
I thought opening and closing arguments the lawyers could say whatever  they wanted, even lie to set up their theory of the events.?  Is that not a thing?

They're going to look pretty stupid when the defense roll the videos. Which BTW doesn't bother me in the least. They should look stupid for trying to pass off obvious BS as what happened.
I watched all this that night as it happened on a live feed.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 02, 2021, 07:24:49 PM
I thought opening and closing arguments the lawyers could say whatever  they wanted, even lie to set up their theory of the events.?  Is that not a thing?

If it's a thing, I suppose a good lawyer would chose to lie about something difficult to refute. A lawyer lying that gravity makes things go up looks pretty stupid when someone drops an apple on his head five minutes later.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: kgbsquirrel on November 02, 2021, 08:05:28 PM
I thought opening and closing arguments the lawyers could say whatever  they wanted, even lie to set up their theory of the events.?  Is that not a thing?

Why would anyone ever think it is the duty of the public prosecutor to lie to juries to obtain a conviction?!  That is the literal definition of prosecutorial misconduct.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 02, 2021, 08:30:25 PM
Why would anyone ever think it is the duty of the public prosecutor to lie to juries to obtain a conviction?!  That is the literal definition of prosecutorial misconduct.

Yep.

http://kenoshacountyeye.com/2021/10/30/rittenhouse-prosecutors-got-angry-when-witness-didnt-change-his-story/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: De Selby on November 02, 2021, 08:40:03 PM
There can be no doubt that this kid showing up with a rifle to what he expected to be a riot was a dumb decision. Playing militia or whatever he was doing will have lifelong consequences.

That said, this case is in many ways the inverse Zimmerman. There’s video, and each person shot probably committed some form of crime immediately before being shot. The murder charges are a massive uphill battle for the prosecution.

If this had been in FL, it strikes me as very likely (unlike Zimmerman) the defense would have used a stand your ground hearing to try and get immunity from prosecution.

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 02, 2021, 08:47:53 PM
The big question, to me at least, is will they be pressured to convict to prevent riots. I expect the prosecution will be dropping hints. 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 02, 2021, 09:41:03 PM
There can be no doubt that this kid showing up with a rifle to what he expected to be a riot was a dumb decision. Playing militia or whatever he was doing will have lifelong consequences.

That said, this case is in many ways the inverse Zimmerman. There’s video, and each person shot probably committed some form of crime immediately before being shot. The murder charges are a massive uphill battle for the prosecution.

If this had been in FL, it strikes me as very likely (unlike Zimmerman) the defense would have used a stand your ground hearing to try and get immunity from prosecution.



So Trayvon beating the *expletive deleted*it out of Zimmerman wasn’t a crime?

Also, SYG doesn’t matter here either.  Rittenhouse was literally running away and only fired when cornered.  Even in a duty to retreat state he would have met the requirements for legitimate self defense.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: De Selby on November 02, 2021, 10:53:38 PM
So Trayvon beating the *expletive deleted*it out of Zimmerman wasn’t a crime?

Also, SYG doesn’t matter here either.  Rittenhouse was literally running away and only fired when cornered.  Even in a duty to retreat state he would have met the requirements for legitimate self defense.

Zimmerman knew Martín was trying to get away from
him and gave chase. He lucked out because the prosecution charged him with depraved heart murder, alleged racial bias and then tossed in the charge that actually fit at the end of the trial. The lesson for would be neighbourhood commandos is not to rely on luck, but to avoid starting confrontations that could end in a shooting.

You’re missing my point about SYG hearings - they are a way to quickly and without betting on a jury get charges dismissed. It’s telling that Zimmerman didn’t use that method. In this case, were it available (which it is not apparently under WI law) that sort of hearing would probably have been used.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 02, 2021, 11:07:43 PM
Zimmerman knew Martín was trying to get away from
him and gave chase. He lucked out because the prosecution charged him with depraved heart murder, alleged racial bias and then tossed in the charge that actually fit at the end of the trial. The lesson for would be neighbourhood commandos is not to rely on luck, but to avoid starting confrontations that could end in a shooting.

You’re missing my point about SYG hearings - they are a way to quickly and without betting on a jury get charges dismissed. It’s telling that Zimmerman didn’t use that method. In this case, were it available (which it is not apparently under WI law) that sort of hearing would probably have been used.


Oy.  Not this crap again.  Zimmerman wasn’t chasing Martin with a gun drawn like some Hollywood douch.  He was on the phone with the cops trying to give them an accurate location, and backed off when asked by the cops to do so.  He was then confronted my Martin, who by then was itching for a fight.  The gun only came out when Zimmerman reasonably perceived his life was in danger. 

For Rittenhouse SYG might have applied if he’d shot someone that was trying to assault his position and was refusing to back down, but he was running away and trying to avoid a fight when his pursuers forced his hand.  He wasn’t standing his ground, he was trying to get away. 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 02, 2021, 11:21:55 PM
Zimmerman knew Martín was trying to get away from
him and gave chase. He lucked out because the prosecution charged him with depraved heart murder, alleged racial bias and then tossed in the charge that actually fit at the end of the trial. The lesson for would be neighbourhood commandos is not to rely on luck, but to avoid starting confrontations that could end in a shooting.

You’re missing my point about SYG hearings - they are a way to quickly and without betting on a jury get charges dismissed. It’s telling that Zimmerman didn’t use that method. In this case, were it available (which it is not apparently under WI law) that sort of hearing would probably have been used.

I guess the big question is: Are you really that *expletive deleted*ing stupid or do think we are? Every one of your points are demonstrated falsehoods, debunked everywhere but the depraved minds of libtards.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: De Selby on November 02, 2021, 11:48:06 PM
Oy.  Not this crap again.  Zimmerman wasn’t chasing Martin with a gun drawn like some Hollywood douch.  He was on the phone with the cops trying to give them an accurate location, and backed off when asked by the cops to do so.  He was then confronted my Martin, who by then was itching for a fight.  The gun only came out when Zimmerman reasonably perceived his life was in danger. 

For Rittenhouse SYG might have applied if he’d shot someone that was trying to assault his position and was refusing to back down, but he was running away and trying to avoid a fight when his pursuers forced his hand.  He wasn’t standing his ground, he was trying to get away.

You are not understanding the difference between SYG the principle and SYG the procedure, whereby in FL a Judge can determine a person is immune from prosecution without ever putting tje case to a jury.

A SYG hearing, again, is one where you cannot be convicted, but if a Judge finds you were lawfully exercising a right to self defence, further prosecution is barred. You do not need to risk a jury not buying your story in order to defeat the charge before trial in FL.

The fact that Zimmerman had that option available and did not take it is the best refutation of your statement of facts in his case.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: De Selby on November 02, 2021, 11:49:43 PM
I guess the big question is: Are you really that *expletive deleted*ing stupid or do think we are? Every one of your points are demonstrated falsehoods, debunked everywhere but the depraved minds of libtards.

I think you did not read what I said about the Rittenhouse case, or else you’d see how ridiculous it is to call that evaluation one that is “part of the minds of libtards.”
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on November 03, 2021, 12:09:36 AM
So, Martin wasn't actually on a gay bashing tangent? Like what his lady friend suggested?
 
And... During the last bit of troubles here, one of the local stop'n'robs got looted two nights in a row. The third night, there was a guy sitting in the front door with an AR.
 
Was that a bad idea?
 
Didn't get looted again.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Nick1911 on November 03, 2021, 12:25:09 AM
I guess the big question is: Are you really that *expletive deleted*ing stupid or do think we are? Every one of your points are demonstrated falsehoods, debunked everywhere but the depraved minds of libtards.

"libtard" isn't a very becoming of you.  I hope we can do better than to mockingly equate those with differing political positions to "retards", itself a rather dated and pejorative term.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: kgbsquirrel on November 03, 2021, 04:07:41 AM
"libtard" isn't a very becoming of you.  I hope we can do better than to mockingly equate those with differing political positions to "retards", itself a rather dated and pejorative term.

Okay then. 

Guess Randy Weaver's wife shouldn't have made gestures like she was going to shoot at Lon, he didn't have any choice but to defend himself from her attempt on his life.

This is just my opinion and not in any way intended to distort historical fact in order to win an internet argument and push my politics.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 03, 2021, 08:24:24 AM
"libtard" isn't a very becoming of you.  I hope we can do better than to mockingly equate those with differing political positions to "retards", itself a rather dated and pejorative term.

A differing opinion is one thing, Posting blatant lies and then attempting to ridicule anyone that disagrees with the lie is another.
My opinion is that anyone that still attempts to push the false Zimmerman narrative, or the bullshit "hands up" Brown narrative or other divisive false narratives deserves any pejoratives and ridicule they collect.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: HankB on November 03, 2021, 09:00:49 AM
A differing opinion is one thing, Posting blatant lies and then attempting to ridicule anyone that disagrees with the lie is another.
My opinion is that anyone that still attempts to push the false Zimmerman narrative, or the bullshit "hands up" Brown narrative or other divisive false narratives deserves any pejoratives and ridicule they collect.
That includes calling the Jan 6 events at the Capitol an "insurrection." Call it a "Disturbance" if you will, "Vandalism & Trespassing" is accurate, and I can even accept "Riot" even though I saw nothing on a level with the "peaceful protests" that gripped Minneapolis, Chicago, Portland, and other places. But a bunch of unarmed people who break a few windows, damage a few doors, and march around where they're not supposed to be before going back to their hotels to have supper and watch TV is the worst excuse for an "insurrection" I've ever seen or heard of.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 03, 2021, 09:43:09 AM
Zimmerman knew Martín was trying to get away from
him and gave chase.

That's completely untrue.

Zimmerman had been following (not "chasing") Martin, but had lost sight of him and was returning to his car. Martin circled around and ambushed Zimmerman.

You MUST know that -- it has been covered in extreme detail in multiple reports, even those not generally favorable or sympathetic to Zimmerman. What do you hope to accomplish by maintaining such a patently false narrative?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 03, 2021, 09:44:05 AM
Back to Rittenhouse -- coverage of Day 1 by attorney Andrew Branca:

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-1-defense-dominates-opening-statements-first-witness-testimony/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 03, 2021, 10:42:55 AM
That's completely untrue.

Zimmerman had been following (not "chasing") Martin, but had lost sight of him and was returning to his car. Martin circled around and ambushed Zimmerman.

You MUST know that -- it has been covered in extreme detail in multiple reports, even those not generally favorable or sympathetic to Zimmerman. What do you hope to accomplish by maintaining such a patently false narrative?
Not to mention we have called out that error on this site a number of times, but it still keeps getting repeated. 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 03, 2021, 04:49:28 PM
Obviously it would have been valuable to have De Selby testifying as a psychic witness during the Zimmerman trial.

What I've seen so far from the Rittenhouse trial is that the prosecutor appears to be very slick, although butts heads with the judge on procedural matters from time to time.  The defense counsel doesn't have nearly as good delivery.

The judge seems to be doing his level best to ensure a fair trial but should probably pay less attention to the media coverage of the trial.

They just showed the FBI surveillance footage.  If that was supposed to be their smoking gun they're screwed.  Their claim is that it shows that Rittenhouse was chasing the child rapist prior to entering the parking lot, and that Mr. Molester let him run past then charged in behind Rittenhouse and started chasing him. 

Yes, Rittenhouse was behind the boy diddler, but the video shows a lot of people running in the same direction and doesn't demonstrate to me that he was chasing the chomo.  Rittenhouse didn't follow the rapist when he turned to the right beside some cars, and indeed Rittenhouse continued on past the diaper sniper.  It was pretty obvious, though, when the scumbag decided to give chase to Rittenhouse.  After that, everything is as shown by the other videos available.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 03, 2021, 04:55:31 PM
Also, Gaige Grosskreutz (blasted bicep dude) had a warrant issued for his phone after the shootings.  It is interesting to note that the police did not execute that warrant because Gaige's lawyer complained about a Marcy's Law concern.  The detective testified that he had never before had a signed warrant that they chose not to execute.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Andiron on November 03, 2021, 06:49:16 PM
A differing opinion is one thing, Posting blatant lies and then attempting to ridicule anyone that disagrees with the lie is another.
My opinion is that anyone that still attempts to push the false Zimmerman narrative, or the bullshit "hands up" Brown narrative or other divisive false narratives deserves any pejoratives and ridicule they collect.

De Selby trots that bit of fiction out annually.  Not sure why he gets off on posting obvious lies, but here we are.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: bedlamite on November 03, 2021, 08:36:29 PM
De Selby trots that bit of fiction out annually.  Not sure why he gets off on posting obvious lies, but here we are.

(https://assets.listia.com/photos/2320111/original.JPG?s=800x600g&sig=e9eeee0326e02a34&ts=1302794667)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 03, 2021, 08:39:28 PM
Are you accusing him of being a red head?





 :P
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Andiron on November 03, 2021, 08:46:29 PM
(https://assets.listia.com/photos/2320111/original.JPG?s=800x600g&sig=e9eeee0326e02a34&ts=1302794667)

I too have suggested that he'd be happier molesting goats noisily crossing his bridge,  but Zimmerman is his white whale.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 03, 2021, 09:13:48 PM
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/live-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-day-2/

The persecutions “damning” infrared video in the link showing Rittenhouse as the “aggressor” and “proving” his “guilt”. 

Now, call me crazy/deluded if you wish, but that video appears to show Rosenbaum lying in an ambush position and then chasing Rittenhouse once he has opportunity, leading to the fatal shooting.  More like exculpatory evidence than anything else.

If Rittenhouse isn’t acquitted on the murder and related charges then self defense legal protections are in serious jeopardy.  I think he should be acquitted on even the gun possession charge based on my reading of the relevant WI statute.  But IANAL, so maybe I’m wrong on that.   I suppose if he gets convicted on that one it won’t be a complete miscarriage of justice. 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 03, 2021, 11:00:20 PM
Another link:

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-2-did-prosecution-improperly-conspire-entire-trial/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 03, 2021, 11:48:41 PM
Kyle sure seems to have lucked out with that judge.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 04, 2021, 12:30:33 AM
https://youtu.be/e7p7xL9IYvk
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 04, 2021, 08:32:51 AM
Another link:

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-2-did-prosecution-improperly-conspire-entire-trial/

Well, the cell phone thing was certainly interesting. That, coupled with Marcy's Law, sure seems like maybe Binger has an agenda other than getting at the truth.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 04, 2021, 08:42:13 AM
Well, the cell phone thing was certainly interesting. That, coupled with Marcy's Law, sure seems like maybe Binger has an agenda other than getting at the truth.

I read an article a couple of days ago that described what happened to a photographer who had been covering the riot. Binger had him come in, and tried mightily to get him to change the written statement he had given to the police -- to make it more damaging to Rittenhouse. When the photographer [rightly] refused to change his story, the DA reportedly blew his top.

Found it: http://kenoshacountyeye.com/2021/10/30/rittenhouse-prosecutors-got-angry-when-witness-didnt-change-his-story/

No, I don't think the prosecutor is interested in objective justice here.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 04, 2021, 10:24:07 AM
There’s a reason I’ve been referring to them as the persecution.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 04, 2021, 02:07:54 PM
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1455978695752097794
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 04, 2021, 02:34:05 PM
https://kenoshacountyeye.com/2021/11/02/opinion-kenosha-mayor-who-let-city-burn-has-surrogate-in-rittenhouse-courtroom/

Quite a bit of nepotism in Kenosha.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: HankB on November 04, 2021, 02:49:58 PM
Left leaning communists columnists are now weighing in on the Rittenhouse trial in the national media.

This article by Susan Hackney of USA Today was carried in the Austin paper.

https://www.statesman.com/story/opinion/2021/11/04/opinion-rittenhouse-shot-his-victims-but-we-cant-call-them-that/6249833001/ (https://www.statesman.com/story/opinion/2021/11/04/opinion-rittenhouse-shot-his-victims-but-we-cant-call-them-that/6249833001/)

She seems to be confusing the term "victim" with "assailant" and at the end comes across as being very upset with petty little features of American jurisprudence such as due process and the presumption of innocence.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 04, 2021, 03:17:13 PM
Left leaning communists columnists are now weighing in on the Rittenhouse trial in the national media.

This article by Susan Hackney of USA Today was carried in the Austin paper.

https://www.statesman.com/story/opinion/2021/11/04/opinion-rittenhouse-shot-his-victims-but-we-cant-call-them-that/6249833001/ (https://www.statesman.com/story/opinion/2021/11/04/opinion-rittenhouse-shot-his-victims-but-we-cant-call-them-that/6249833001/)

She seems to be confusing the term "victim" with "assailant" and at the end comes across as being very upset with petty little features of American jurisprudence such as due process and the presumption of innocence.

Well, her last name jives with her journalism ability.

If innocent until proven guilty, with his innocence bearing on the argument that he was defending himself, Kyle is in fact the victim unless proven otherwise.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: dogmush on November 04, 2021, 03:23:40 PM
Left leaning communists columnists are now weighing in on the Rittenhouse trial in the national media.

This article by Susan Hackney of USA Today was carried in the Austin paper.

https://www.statesman.com/story/opinion/2021/11/04/opinion-rittenhouse-shot-his-victims-but-we-cant-call-them-that/6249833001/ (https://www.statesman.com/story/opinion/2021/11/04/opinion-rittenhouse-shot-his-victims-but-we-cant-call-them-that/6249833001/)

She seems to be confusing the term "victim" with "assailant" and at the end comes across as being very upset with petty little features of American jurisprudence such as due process and the presumption of innocence.

From that article:

Quote
But Schroeder will allow Joseph Rosenbaum, 36; Anthony Huber, 26; and the injured Gaige Grosskreutz, 26, to be referred to as looters, rioters and arsonists in open court. Never mind that these victims – that word again – were never convicted (or even charged) of actual looting the night they were shot.

So tell me, what did they loot? Is there evidence to suggest they set things ablaze with criminal intent? Do videos exist showing them rioting?


Um.....Yes.  Did you not watch the videos?

Also, I think it's fair to argue Mr. Grosskreutz got more than a presumption of innocence for his actions on the night in question.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 04, 2021, 04:48:28 PM
Also, I think it's fair to argue Mr. Grosskreutz got more than a presumption of innocence for his actions on the night in question.
Agreed, both on the part of Rittenhouse and the police.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: De Selby on November 04, 2021, 05:50:23 PM
And yet this kid’s future is now up to 12 random people. Again with the Florida parallel - although it was much maligned at the time and not used by Zimmerman, this seems to be exactly the kind of scenario FL legislators were thinking of when they legislated to create stand your ground pretrial hearings that let a judge, not a jury, decide a case is self defense.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 04, 2021, 06:51:49 PM
Wow

Quote
    Eyewitness testifies that Rosenbaum told him and Rittenhouse, “if I catch any of you guys alone tonight I’m going to f-cking kill you” pic.twitter.com/Z8uOkWoZRW

    — Washington Free Beacon (@FreeBeacon) November 4, 2021
Quote
    Now that it is confirmed Joseph Rosenbaum was one of the people shot and killed by alleged gunman Kyle Rittenhouse in Kenosha, I filmed him earlier in the night taunting the armed civilians, saying, "Shoot me, n***a." pic.twitter.com/Nn2encm78Y

    — Julio Rosas (@Julio_Rosas11) August 27, 2020
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    This is the prosecution's witness? Bizarre.

    — Claudia (@JewsMatterToMe) November 4, 2021

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/04/eyewitness-testifies-that-man-kyle-rittenhouse-shot-threatened-to-kill-any-of-you-guys-he-caught-alone-that-night/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 04, 2021, 08:23:42 PM
And yet this kid’s future is now up to 12 random people. Again with the Florida parallel - although it was much maligned at the time and not used by Zimmerman, this seems to be exactly the kind of scenario FL legislators were thinking of when they legislated to create stand your ground pretrial hearings that let a judge, not a jury, decide a case is self defense.
I don't live in Florida, but my understanding is the judge decides if a trial will take place at all.  Not quite the same thing. 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: dogmush on November 05, 2021, 07:18:44 AM
I don't live in Florida, but my understanding is the judge decides if a trial will take place at all.  Not quite the same thing.

The judge in a SYG hearing can decide that the case is self defense.  The judge can not determine that it is not self defense.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 05, 2021, 09:17:45 AM
As an aside about "laying low" after the trial, I just saw this in the local commie news:

https://www.idahopress.com/news/local/hotel-gun-conference-featuring-george-zimmerman-has-been-canceled/article_98c53cb2-c1b4-5809-b4c9-b8e77c1ce96c.html

Apparently Zimmerman (who actually seems to have been laying low for the last couple of years) was going to be a speaker, so the usual liberals in Boise harangued the hotel into canceling the conference.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 05, 2021, 02:22:59 PM
I'm enjoying the debates between the judge and the attorneys more than the repetitive witness testimony.

The prosecution wanted to get dead skateboard dude's great-aunt to testify to his bravery and heroism (thereby implying that his chasing Rittenhouse and trying to take his gun was true to character in a positive way) and after the jury was dismissed the defense read some testimony from a case against dead skateboard dude wherein said skateboard dude forced his brother and grandmother at knifepoint to clean a room, threatened to gut his brother like a pig, and threatened to burn the house down with them inside it.  The defense said that if the witness could testify to skateboard dude's heroism then they wanted to bring up that less savory evidence.  The judge ultimately said that the prosecution could decide whether they wanted to have the great aunt testify to bravery but he was likely to allow the evidence from the defense.

The prosecution decided to drop the question.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 05, 2021, 02:43:03 PM
A hero of the left. Netflix will be coming out with a movie of his life story soon.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on November 05, 2021, 02:50:26 PM
The guys who came up with skate or die never meant it to be that serious.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 05, 2021, 02:56:59 PM
Pedophile's fiancée testified.  It's interesting how the prosecution are skirting some of the unpleasant details about pedo and his relationship with the fiancée which was - as I understand - strained to the point that there was some sort of order for him to not stay with her.

The prosecution is sweating because they brought up the fact that he was just home from the hospital.  Defense wanted to use that as a reason to bring up that he was in a mental hospital which the judge didn't like, but then because medications were mentioned in testimony, they asked to be able to question the fiancée about the medication that the pedo had been taking or not taking.  The judge allowed that, which introduced the fact that pedo was bipolar.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 05, 2021, 05:02:34 PM
I almost wonder if the persecution isn’t trying to lose.  Like, they had to take it to trial for political reasons, but don’t actually want a conviction.  But they can’t make it look tooooo obvious.

However that would assume a level of cunning I seriously doubt they possess.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 05, 2021, 05:43:40 PM
I almost wonder if the persecution isn’t trying to lose.  Like, they had to take it to trial for political reasons, but don’t actually want a conviction.  But they can’t make it look tooooo obvious.

However that would assume a level of cunning I seriously doubt they possess.

Considering the train wreck of the prosecution's direct examination of McGuiness, it sure looks like they're trying to lose.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: zxcvbob on November 05, 2021, 07:14:06 PM
Considering the train wreck of the prosecution's direct examination of McGuiness, it sure looks like they're trying to lose.

That's actually possible if they were arm-twisted into bring this case and they know it's bogus.  Nahhhh.... That can't be it.

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 05, 2021, 10:31:12 PM
Day four through the eyes of Andrew Branca:

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-4-two-state-blunders-create-opportunity-for-the-defense/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: gunsmith on November 05, 2021, 11:25:03 PM
timcast, a liberal i guess, agree's with us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GolZUeRBzZU
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: gunsmith on November 05, 2021, 11:31:17 PM
Considering the train wreck of the prosecution's direct examination of McGuiness, it sure looks like they're trying to lose.

 Sleepers, starring Bacon, Pitt. Hoffman and DiNiro.
you can see the movie free on youtube, really good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVdiN_4gBWk

 D.A  purposely loses big case to right a wrong
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 05, 2021, 11:40:52 PM
This case is a Kobayashi Maru for the prosecutor
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 07, 2021, 07:15:10 PM
Might just be a loudmouthed attention whore, but serious if true. Claim is that jurors are being photographed for doxxing if Rittenhouse is not found guilty:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/11/07/man-claiming-to-be-related-to-george-floyd-says-he-knows-of-people-preparing-to-dox-rittenhouse-jurors-if-theres-a-not-guilty-verdict/

I wonder if "pre-doxxing" is a crime or not? Would it fall under jury tampering, or what?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 08, 2021, 07:35:01 AM
"Would it fall under jury tampering, or what?"

Jury tampering and/or jury intimidation is a crime, yes.

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 08, 2021, 07:41:51 AM
I wonder if "pre-doxxing" is a crime or not? Would it fall under jury tampering, or what?

I don't see how this wouldn't.
Sadly probably nothing will be actually done about it for PC reasons other than lip service .
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: dogmush on November 08, 2021, 09:16:58 AM
One day soon some of these "the justice system doesn't work, so mob rule" people are going to encounter the wrong mob, and get *expletive deleted*ed up.

Which, honestly, is the reason they are all in on destroying Kyle.  Because there HAS to be devastating consequences to standing against the mob, or more people will do it.  The little worker bees in black masks might not realize it, but those politicians and DA's do.  If people can stand up to their unofficial army and win, it looses it's value.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 08, 2021, 09:27:04 AM
One day soon some of these "the justice system doesn't work, so mob rule" people are going to encounter the wrong mob, and get *expletive deleted*ed up.

Which, honestly, is the reason they are all in on destroying Kyle.  Because there HAS to be devastating consequences to standing against the mob,

standing against their mob
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Lennyjoe on November 08, 2021, 10:39:28 AM
The surviving person who Kyle shot is supposed to testify today.  Wasn’t he the one that told his buddy after the shooting that “if I had another chance I’d kill him”? I’m sure he’ll make a great witness for the prosecutor
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 08, 2021, 01:41:12 PM
Holy crap!  You guys need to see the testimony, especially the first portion of the cross on Lefty.  In a just world this would result in a directed verdict of not guilty on at least the murder charges.

https://youtu.be/XZEdgcTbJ4Q
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: dogmush on November 08, 2021, 02:21:44 PM
That testimony was.....not great for the state.

For those that don't want to scroll through the live feed the highlights are the defense got Grosskreutz (the dude shot in the arm) to confirm that an earlier person ran up to Kyle, didn't attack, and Kyle held fire, then he admitted that when he was shot, he was moving towards Kyle, three feet away, and pointing a loaded Glock at Kyle.

It seems al though after the lunch break the defense is going to ask him about his roommates tweet where he is quoted as saying that he regrets not mag dumping into Kyle.  But honestly the "Moving forward and pointing a gun at him" part is probably all they needed.  ADA Binger literally put his head in his hands at the prosecution table.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 08, 2021, 02:46:05 PM
The head in the hand moment:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1457774701673996298

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/11/08/prosecutors-literally-facepalm-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-should-be-over-immediately-following-this-bombshell-line-of-questioning-watch/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MillCreek on November 08, 2021, 02:48:16 PM
That testimony was.....not great for the state.

For those that don't want to scroll through the live feed the highlights are the defense got Grosskreutz (the dude shot in the arm) to confirm that an earlier person ran up to Kyle, didn't attack, and Kyle held fire, then he admitted that when he was shot, he was moving towards Kyle, three feet away, and pointing a loaded Glock at Kyle.

It seems al though after the lunch break the defense is going to ask him about his roommates tweet where he is quoted as saying that he regrets not mag dumping into Kyle.  But honestly the "Moving forward and pointing a gun at him" part is probably all they needed.  ADA Binger literally put his head in his hands at the prosecution table.

What is that quote, 'play stupid games, win stupid prizes'. The risk manager generally recommends against pointing loaded firearms at other people, especially when the other people are holding ARs.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 08, 2021, 02:49:04 PM
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Matt Deckard, Fact Checker & Anonymous Source
@MDApparel
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1h
Replying to
@thevivafrei
The Rittenhouse prosecution is going up in flames faster than a Kenosha business during a mostly peaceful protest.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on November 08, 2021, 04:40:47 PM
Just wondering - does anyone know of a similar group of woke folk dissecting the trial?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: dogmush on November 08, 2021, 04:41:26 PM
Ah, WaPo.  Never change:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/11/08/gaige-grosskreutz-says-he-feared-his-life-before-kyle-rittenhouse-shot-him-during-kenosha-unrest/

It's behind a pay wall, but really the headline is the funny part.

They neglect to mention that he also said he was pointing a gun at Kyle when he was shot.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on November 08, 2021, 05:52:02 PM
Ought to fear why he is not up on attempted murder charges and the civil suits I really hope Rittenhouse sends his way.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Andiron on November 08, 2021, 05:57:36 PM
Ought to fear why he is not up on attempted murder charges and the civil suits I really hope Rittenhouse sends his way.

I'm also curious why Grosskreutz hasn't caught any charges.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Viking on November 08, 2021, 05:59:25 PM
I'm also curious why Grosskreutz hasn't caught any charges.
There's speculation elsewhere that he's a federal informant.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 08, 2021, 07:33:15 PM
I'm also curious why Grosskreutz hasn't caught any charges.

I was under the impression that he was a felon in possession of a firearm.  Is that not.the case?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RocketMan on November 08, 2021, 08:29:04 PM
I was under the impression that he was a felon in possession of a firearm.  Is that not.the case?

He's obviously the right kind of felon in possession.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 08, 2021, 09:12:34 PM
Lefty had a misdemeanor charge for being armed while intoxicated.  But no felonies I’m aware of.  But his ccw was expired so in addition to attempted murder/assault with a deadly weapon he should get a charge for illegally carrying concealed.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on November 08, 2021, 09:18:13 PM
Lots of little accounts on Twitter spittlescreeching that Lefty was a victim of a mass murderer...
 
I wonder how many of them are from boilerrooms...
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 08, 2021, 09:31:03 PM
Anyone else get a nagging feeling that the prosecutor persecutor doesn't give a damn because he already knows he will get full convictions on all counts in the case?
 [tinfoil]
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Lennyjoe on November 08, 2021, 09:33:08 PM
Just watched the video and man, that “key witness” walked off looking like a fool.  Even killed his $10 M lawsuit he had against Kenosha with his testimony……
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 08, 2021, 09:35:44 PM
I spent the day laying tile but I listened to the trial stream. When Gaige was testifying about why he didn’t shoot Kyle he said something along the lines of he couldn’t have done it because taking a life ran contrary to his purpose as a medic or something. I was totally bewildered that the defense didn’t ask the question: “if taking a life is completely against your moral code, why do you routinely carry a loaded gun for the stated purpose of personal protection?”
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Andiron on November 08, 2021, 09:51:23 PM
He's obviously the right kind of felon in possession.

(((Hmmmm...)))
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 09, 2021, 12:51:42 AM
Just for emphasis:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDsR4HVVkA48Q6B?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 09, 2021, 03:17:04 AM
Just for emphasis:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDsR4HVVkA48Q6B?format=jpg&name=medium)


That was beautiful.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 09, 2021, 07:10:53 AM
Come on baby, lets do the twist

‘If you want to understand why no one trusts the press’: AG Hamilton looks at some headlines on the Kyle Rittenhouse trial
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/08/if-you-want-to-understand-why-no-one-trust-the-press-ag-hamilton-looks-at-some-headlines-on-the-kyle-rittenhouse-trial/

https://twitter.com/AGHamilton29/status/1457822321465495556/photo/1
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 09, 2021, 08:23:42 AM
I spent the day laying tile but I listened to the trial stream. When Gaige was testifying about why he didn’t shoot Kyle he said something along the lines of he couldn’t have done it because taking a life ran contrary to his purpose as a medic or something. I was totally bewildered that the defense didn’t ask the question: “if taking a life is completely against your moral code, why do you routinely carry a loaded gun for the stated purpose of personal protection?”

Also, if he's such a dedicated medic, when Rittenhouse shot the skateboard dude, why didn't the dedicated medic rush to treat the skateboard dude instead of rushing to point a gun at Rittenhouse?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 09, 2021, 09:02:06 AM
I spent the day laying tile but I listened to the trial stream. When Gaige was testifying about why he didn’t shoot Kyle he said something along the lines of he couldn’t have done it because taking a life ran contrary to his purpose as a medic or something. I was totally bewildered that the defense didn’t ask the question: “if taking a life is completely against your moral code, why do you routinely carry a loaded gun for the stated purpose of personal protection?”
I think that guy corrupted his own testimony and they got the key admission in before lunch (or so I heard).  I think the defense can call him back later if they wish to, but they got the important part they needed (IMO).  I would think going after every little point might get tedious and make the jury forget the main admission.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 09, 2021, 09:55:08 AM
I would think going after every little point might get tedious and make the jury forget the main admission.
That could be.  It just stood out to me as a low hanging fruit to impeach his credibility.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: griz on November 09, 2021, 10:28:53 AM
His credibility is already gone to anybody listening.  He said he was approaching Rittenhouse because he was concerned for his (Rittenhouse's) safety after getting hit in the head with a skateboard.  He had the gun in his hand because he thought there was an active shooter, but couldn't ever shoot someone because of his "do no harm" oath.  And after chasing him (with a Glock in his hand), then backing away, he couldn't really explain why he lunged at Rittenhouse with his pistol accidentally pointed at him.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 09, 2021, 10:34:13 AM
His credibility is already gone to anybody listening.
I agree, but lawyers love to make explicit what should have been implicitly understood.

The judge mentioned at the beginning of the trial today that someone was videoing the jurors at the pickup and police forced them to delete the video.  He also said he gave orders that if it happens again they are to take the phone.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 09, 2021, 10:36:08 AM
I agree, but lawyers love to make explicit what should have been implicitly understood.

The judge mentioned at the beginning of the trial today that someone was videoing the jurors at the pickup and police forced them to delete the video.  He also said he gave orders that if it happens again they are to take the phone.

Sadly, if they already caught one guy, a half a dozen probably got away.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 09, 2021, 10:36:11 AM
That could be.  It just stood out to me as a low hanging fruit to impeach his credibility.

He just won the case for the defense. Why would they want to impeach his credibility?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 09, 2021, 10:41:47 AM
Sadly, if they already caught one guy, a half a dozen probably got away.

And, it’s not like it’s hard to stream it to a remote device.  Hell, FB live would do that.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 09, 2021, 10:43:18 AM
The media is doing their thing. "Protestor" "Volunteer medic" "lone survivor". Also "He had a gun that he never intended to point at Rittenhouse". As for Kyle, "Heavily armed teenager".

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/11/09/since-mainstream-media-claims-they-never-take-sides-heres-a-bunch-of-them-deliberately-spinning-rittenhouse-case-bombshell/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 09, 2021, 10:45:17 AM
He just won the case for the defense. Why would they want to impeach his credibility?

Some folks actually think Rittenhouse might get acquitted. I'm not nearly so optimistic.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 09, 2021, 11:08:53 AM
More media:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1458060865039749121

Terrorist, vigilante, the enemy, and he shot a guy with a skateboard.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: TechMan on November 09, 2021, 11:20:28 AM
If you want to see the MSM "reporting" yesterday, watch this: https://youtu.be/uZcqJldagH0
 (https://youtu.be/uZcqJldagH0)

Note the  " "
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 09, 2021, 11:50:03 AM
Remember that time when two New York white supremacist skyscrapers attacked two fully loaded airliners with POC on board?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 09, 2021, 12:12:02 PM
He just won the case for the defense. Why would they want to impeach his credibility?
The point is to impeach Blasted Bicep Boy's testimony relating to his own actions.  He was testifying that he was not chasing Rittenhouse, was not moving to shoot him, was not intentionally pointing his gun at him, and wouldn't have shot him regardless because of his medical oath.

If the defense had pointed out that his routinely carrying a loaded firearm specifically for the purpose of self defense conflicted with his stated position of "do no harm" and being unwilling to injure or kill someone then it calls into deeper question the truth of his statement about chasing Rittenhouse, moving to shoot him, and intentionally pointing a gun at him.  Same reason they're trying to get his roommate's post about BBB saying his only regret was not emptying his gun into Rittenhouse admitted into evidence.

Earlier, there was another potential "gotcha" where BBB testified that he was not protesting and as a medic was treating people without respect to their affiliation, but also can be heard on the video calling out Rittenhouse for offering to help an injured protester because "we have our own medics".  I didn't think that was as impactful and didn't mind them missing out on that.  Of course, they did connect the dots on some of his hard left affiliations.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 09, 2021, 12:33:57 PM
Defense got the medical examiner to testify that the injury to the pedo's hand was either in contact or within a few inches of the barrel, and that the distance from the injury to the pelvis was between 1 foot and 4 feet. 

The drone video (not the FBI's thermal, but another one) shows the pedo shooting from a better angle which still looks righteous.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 09, 2021, 01:13:37 PM
Quote
    Judge Schroeder reveals someone filmed the Kyle Rittenhouse jurors when they were picked up by the bus this morning. Schroeder said deputies made the person delete the video and added more steps will be taken to prevent something like that from happening again.

    — Julio Rosas (@Julio_Rosas11) November 9, 2021

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/09/julio-rosas-reports-that-judge-in-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-said-someone-filmed-the-jurors-when-they-were-picked-up-by-the-bus-this-morning/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 09, 2021, 10:59:39 PM
Andrew Branca's take on day 6:

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-6-another-disastrous-prosecution-day-states-autopsy-expert-supports-selp-defense-narrative/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 10, 2021, 10:36:36 AM
Oh dude, defense is getting ready to call Rittenhouse.

Bold move, Cotton.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 10, 2021, 10:45:19 AM
Oh dude, defense is getting ready to call Rittenhouse.

Bold move, Cotton.
I am surprised they would do that.  Maybe they think he will do well.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 10, 2021, 10:59:24 AM
I don’t understand why they called him.  They don’t need it.  Hell, the defense could have rested with no witnesses at all and still had PLENTY for a full acquittal.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 10, 2021, 12:03:24 PM
Yikes. This is the chance for the prosecution to pull a a Grosskreutz on the defense. Rittenhouse is still a young kid. No matter how much they prep him, there is still a good chance that the prosecution can lead him to saying something stupid in cross-examination.

I agree that they should never have called him. I hope it doesn't backfire.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 10, 2021, 12:09:00 PM
He broke down in sobs partway through the defense questioning.  Either it was rehearsed or he's likely to have trouble with the prosecutor.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 10, 2021, 12:09:15 PM
Interesting. It looks like this DA stinks to high heaven:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1458188325676847105
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 10, 2021, 12:12:24 PM
Cathy Russon
@cathyrusson
·
4m
#KyleRittenhouse - Judge sent jury out and warned Binger he's walking a fine line and may have cross it by continuing to bring up that this is the first time the defendant has told his story. Judge cites constitutional right to remain silent. @LawCrimeNetwork
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 10, 2021, 12:17:51 PM
The left: Time to turn the jury intimidation dial to 11.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 10, 2021, 12:45:02 PM
Binger kept pushing Kyle to admit he was trying to use deadly force to protect property. 

The judge told the jury to leave then absolutely tore into Binger.  Literally yelling at him for failing to respect his previous rulings.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 10, 2021, 12:48:57 PM
use deadly force to protect property. 

My how times have changed. Used to be you had the right to protect property and people's livelihood. Now it's considered a crime.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 10, 2021, 12:51:19 PM
This appears to show the pedophile getting shot:

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458128554026147849

From the comments:
Quote
Bobby FAFO@BobbyFafo·22h

What do you mean I don’t respawn???

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 10, 2021, 12:54:34 PM
This appears to show the pedophile getting shot:

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1458128554026147849

From the comments:

Looks like a clear case of Hands Up Don't Shoot.  ;/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Lennyjoe on November 10, 2021, 01:01:45 PM
Kyle needs to quit adding more to the answer than he needs to. 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 10, 2021, 01:12:07 PM
I'm curious where the prosecutor is going with his ammo questions.  He's really stressing the fact that Rittenhouse used FMJ and implying it was likely to pass through the target and hit another target.  He was claiming hollowpoints would "explode inside the target" and full metal jackets were "designed to pass through and hit another target beyond".  The judge shut him down on that and then called for a lunch break.

Probably trying to show danger to the reporter that was behind the pedo, but I am unaware of any passthroughs that caused injury to another person and many of the rounds that hit were actually contained within the person shot.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: dogmush on November 10, 2021, 01:13:26 PM
I thought I read that the reporter took spall from either a pass through or a miss that hit the ground near him.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 10, 2021, 01:14:41 PM
"He was claiming hollowpoints would "explode inside the target" and full metal jackets were "designed to pass through and hit another target beyond"."

Just shows that he doesn't know jack about how .223 FMJ acts at close range.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 10, 2021, 01:15:26 PM
I thought I read that the reporter took spall from either a pass through or a miss that hit the ground near him.
As I recall, he testified that he felt something touch his legs as shots were being fired but received no injury.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 10, 2021, 01:42:19 PM
Video games.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1458484389365563403
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Jim147 on November 10, 2021, 01:49:46 PM
The judge is dropping the hammer on this guy.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/11/10/youre-right-on-the-borderline-judge-in-rittenhouse-trial-drops-the-hammer-on-prosecutor-multiple-times/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 10, 2021, 02:47:52 PM
Judge to Prosecution:
"I don't believe you.  There better not be another incident, I'll take the [defense's] motion under advisement and you can respond.  When you say you were acting in good faith, I don't believe that."
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Fly320s on November 10, 2021, 03:02:33 PM
From what I've read elsewhere, the general rule is not to put the defendant on the stand.  The one, big exception to that rule is self defense cases.

The defense is not trying to prove KR didn't shoot those people.  The defense is trying to prove that KR acted in self defense.  Putting Kyle on the stand gives the defense a chance to show Kyle's perspective of the danger and it will show what a reasonable person would do.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on November 10, 2021, 03:30:56 PM
In my vastly experienced jury mind not putting him up there would make me think there was something to hide. Doesn’t meet the standards of proof of course but jurors are stupid.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 10, 2021, 03:57:21 PM
The prosecutor keeps heavily insinuating that if you have a gun, then you must be actively expecting to use it.

I don't think Rittenhouse is doing particularly well in front of the prosecutor.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 10, 2021, 05:02:24 PM
I don't think Rittenhouse is doing particularly well in front of the prosecutor.

He has had his moments though. I loved his expression when dickweed asked him why he felt he needed to run towards a fire. "Uh, it's a fire?"  :rofl:
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: HankB on November 10, 2021, 05:51:13 PM
He has had his moments though. I loved his expression when dickweed asked him why he felt he needed to run towards a fire. "Uh, it's a fire?"  :rofl:
How about the moment when Rittenhouse said one of the perps threatened to cut his heart out, and the prosecutor said they didn't need specifics like that.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 10, 2021, 06:10:42 PM
Anybody got odds on a mistrial? Mistrial with prejudice?

The persecutor/ADA is an absolute enema nozzle.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 10, 2021, 06:17:21 PM
Video games.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1458484389365563403

Quote
The prosecution questions Rittenhouse's choosing of an AR-15 because "it resembled the types of weapons that are used in first person shooter video games," in which gamers "pretty much shoot anyone who comes at you."

Oh good *expletive deleted*ing grief.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: zxcvbob on November 10, 2021, 06:17:53 PM
Anybody got odds on a mistrial? Mistrial with prejudice?

The persecutor/ADA is an absolute enema nozzle.

Mistrial with prejudice?  Never heard of such thing.  You mean dismissed with prejudice?  Maybe it's a distinction w/o a difference.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Boomhauer on November 10, 2021, 06:21:12 PM
If they get a mistrial would that not open up Rittenhouse to be more vulnerable to a more competent prosecution?

Right now the prosecution is doing a fine job of *expletive deleted*ing up their case so is it wise to interrupt them?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: AmbulanceDriver on November 10, 2021, 06:59:04 PM
Binger kept pushing Kyle to admit he was trying to use deadly force to protect property. 

The judge told the jury to leave then absolutely tore into Binger.  Literally yelling at him for failing to respect his previous rulings.

Watched that.  It was.... Impressive.   It got to the point I was almost starting to feel bad for Binger.   Almost.

Ok, not really, but dayum, it was a beatdown. 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 10, 2021, 07:01:04 PM
The prosecutor keeps heavily insinuating that if you have a gun, then you must be actively expecting to use it.


Unless you're an antifa medic with an expired carry permit who wouldn't ever actually shoot anyone because, you, know, "do no harm,"  of course.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 10, 2021, 07:04:24 PM
If they get a mistrial would that not open up Rittenhouse to be more vulnerable to a more competent prosecution?


A mistrial with prejudice would mean that Rittenhouse can't be tried again on the same charges.

However, I believe if the judge were to make such a ruling, the state could appeal it. Considering Binger's antics, I think they'd be crazy to appeal it. Judges don't like lawyers who ignore other judges' rulings.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 10, 2021, 07:10:21 PM
Quote
Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸
@JackPosobiec
Binger: All he had was a handgun, why would you think he is a threat? You have an AR-15. Can you help me understand that?

Kyle: He was advancing at me with a gun in his hand

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/10/prosecutor-asks-kyle-rittenhouse-to-explain-to-him-why-hed-consider-a-man-with-only-a-handgun-a-threat-when-he-had-an-ar-15/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 10, 2021, 07:13:10 PM
Just saw that

Double Oh good *expletive deleted*ing grief  :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 10, 2021, 07:19:20 PM
(https://twitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/tara-dublin.jpg)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 10, 2021, 07:22:26 PM
More stupidity

Quote
    Judge’s phone in Rittenhouse trial goes off, ringtone is Lee Greenwood’s “Proud to Be an American.”

    pic.twitter.com/arts0bhxlr

    — Breaking911 (@Breaking911) November 10, 2021

Quote
    The judge in the #KyleRittenhouseTrial has selected as his ringtone the anthem of the fascist Donald Trump, who attempted to overthrow the American government on January 6, 2021.

    In other words, the judge is party to the same criminal cabal as the shooter. https://t.co/9TrgB1ctKS

    — Andre Damon (@Andre__Damon) November 10, 2021
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/11/10/judges-phone-rang-during-rittenhouse-trial-and-some-find-the-ringtone-triggering/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: AmbulanceDriver on November 10, 2021, 07:28:53 PM
Mistrial with prejudice?  Never heard of such thing.  You mean dismissed with prejudice?  Maybe it's a distinction w/o a difference.

My understanding is that a dismissal is due to lack of evidence, whereas the mistrial is due (in this case) by prosecutorial malfeasance in attempting to repeatedly ask questions that either are just plain not allowed (such as discussing the fact that Rittenhouse [was smart] and kept his mouth shut without an attorney present) or that the judge had already ruled on being off limits.  Basically one opinion I saw was that the prosecution knows they have f'ed up so badly that they are intentionally trying to cause a mistrial to get a do-over, but the defense is having none of that and is basically saying that if they force a mistrial it needs to be granted with prejudice to prevent the prosecution from doing that.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 10, 2021, 08:48:00 PM
I have a headache now

Quote
    What people could do with anger about the Rittenhouse trial is advocate for a law that says that if you bring a weapon to a public place where you know violence is basically guaranteed, you lose any self defense grounds

    — Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) November 10, 2021
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/10/hot-take-its-not-self-defense-if-you-bring-a-weapon-to-a-place-where-you-know-violence-is-basically-guaranteed/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 11, 2021, 12:06:46 AM
https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1458603356721541126

"...Rosenbaum died as he had lived, trying to touch an unwilling minor."
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 11, 2021, 07:17:27 AM
Trial day 7 review

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-7-kyle-survives-abusive-3-hour-cross-examination/


"DON'T GET BRAZEN WITH ME!"

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: T.O.M. on November 11, 2021, 08:56:49 AM
A few points...

First, the prosecutor's question...it is not just a violation of the judge's ruling, it's a violation of Rittenhouse's Constitutional Right to Remain Silent under the 5th Amendment.  I was a prosecutor, and that right there is one of the most basic rules of criminal trials...you cannot ask a defendant about remaining silent.  Period.

Mistrial are not just a result of prosecution misconduct.  Anything procedural that goes wrong during a trial that taints the jury's ability to fairly rule on a case can cause a mistrial.  Often times, a mistrial can result from an honest mistake, so you basically start over with a new jury pool.  An example I experienced was the judge, defense counsel and I discussing an evidentiary issue in the judge's chambers, not knowing the judge's wireless microphone had broken and was on (it would not turn off).  The jury was in the courtroom and heard too much of the discussion before a deputy ignored the Do Not Enter sign on the office door and came in to tell us.  Oops.

Now, if the judge declares a mistrial and dismissed the case with prejudice, it's done.  The State cannot appeal, because it would amount to double jeopardy.  That's why judge's very rarely dismiss with prejudice...fundamental fairness to both sides.  But, given the way the judge ripped tge prosecutor's ass for this misconduct, I'll guess that it's possible but not likely.  If there is a conviction, which I doubt, this will be on the appeal.  And the judge knows this.  And judge's don't like to have decisions reversed. 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 11, 2021, 09:07:38 AM
Back when I was working for the newspaper I knew the guy who was sitting as the county judge. His family and my family had been friends for many years...

I forget the context of why I asked him, probably something that I had read on the AP news wires in my job as a reporter, but I asked him if he had ever dismissed a case with prejudice. He said that hardly any cases are dismissed with prejudice...

He also made the judge in the Rittenhouse trial look like a cuddly teddy bear most of the time. He was one grouchy SOB on the bench.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 11, 2021, 09:18:23 AM
Oddly enough, I just found a news article about a case being dismissed with prejudice in Ohio earlier this month.

https://www.yahoo.com/now/menacing-case-against-local-jeweler-040100583.html
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: griz on November 11, 2021, 09:42:06 AM
I watched a lot of the trial from yesterday.  The part I liked best was when the prosecutor asked Rittenhouse how he knew that it was illegal for him to have a pistol in WI but a rifle was OK.  He answered that police officers told him that when they were shooting at the range.  The prosecutor objected that it was hearsay, and the judge pointed out that he ask the question himself.

My experience in court cases is very limited, but I'll bet a judge doesn't rip into the prosecutor like that very often.  He was almost speechless.

As an aside:  Other than the usual "I suffered a lot from the results of my bad choices and you have a lot of money", why does Gaige think the state should give him 10 million dollars?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 11, 2021, 09:48:07 AM

As an aside:  Other than the usual "I suffered a lot from the results of my bad choices and you have a lot of money", why does Gaige think the state should give him 10 million dollars?

He a leftist.  The government (at many levels) has been quite happy to fund the activities of people like that via lawsuit settlements.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 11, 2021, 10:06:10 AM
"As an aside:  Other than the usual "I suffered a lot from the results of my bad choices and you have a lot of money", why does Gaige think the state should give him 10 million dollars?"


Wait, what?

He's filed a lawsuit against the state? I've missed that tidbit.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 11, 2021, 10:25:53 AM
Apparently you can't find "Kyle Rittenhouse" in any friendface search. I was unaware that they had classified him as a "mass murderer". Also unaware they had a "counterterrorism unit". What a bunch of jackwagons.

Quote
A screenshot posted by Daily Caller shows no results when “Kyle Rittenhouse” is typed into the Facebook search bar and Fox News found the same result. The Epoch Times also found the same result.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/facebook-users-unable-to-find-results-when-searching-for-kyle-rittenhouse-amid-teens-homicide-trial_4098567.html
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 11, 2021, 10:26:04 AM
"As an aside:  Other than the usual "I suffered a lot from the results of my bad choices and you have a lot of money", why does Gaige think the state should give him 10 million dollars?"


Wait, what?

He's filed a lawsuit against the state? I've missed that tidbit.

State of WI, and the feds.  $10m in each suit.  That was a big part of the cross examination questions from the defense when he was on the stand.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RocketMan on November 11, 2021, 10:38:36 AM
"Your Honor, the State would like to file an appeal of the not guilty verdicts in this case."
"Mr. Prosecutor, what are your grounds for the appeal?"
"Your Honor, the grounds are that we are a bunch of dumb asses."
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 11, 2021, 11:03:09 AM
Apparently you can't find "Kyle Rittenhouse" in any friendface search. I was unaware that they had classified him as a "mass murderer". Also unaware they had a "counterterrorism unit". What a bunch of jackwagons.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/facebook-users-unable-to-find-results-when-searching-for-kyle-rittenhouse-amid-teens-homicide-trial_4098567.html

Are there any results if you search for the three people he shot in self defense?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 11, 2021, 11:07:23 AM
Apparently you can't find "Kyle Rittenhouse" in any friendface search. I was unaware that they had classified him as a "mass murderer". Also unaware they had a "counterterrorism unit". What a bunch of jackwagons.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/facebook-users-unable-to-find-results-when-searching-for-kyle-rittenhouse-amid-teens-homicide-trial_4098567.html

Remember it being reported FB classified him a "mass murderer" immediately after his name was released to the public   
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 11, 2021, 11:39:14 AM
How about the moment when Rittenhouse said one of the perps threatened to cut his heart out, and the prosecutor said they didn't need specifics like that.  :rofl:

Years ago I was told that a cardinal rule for attorneys with witness at trial was, "If you don't know the answer, don't ask the question."

Case in point.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 11, 2021, 11:52:52 AM
My account on FB was permanently deleted because I was defending Rittenhouse's actions. Everything from 2009-2021 gone including posts from now dead relatives, and my FB messenger account. Almost solely because I defended the Kenosha kid. I also got dinged for a few spicy memes, and for talking about gun training. Even though it was a plain vanilla gun class. I guess at the end they were just piling on complaints.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 11, 2021, 11:53:56 AM
Oddly enough, I just found a news article about a case being dismissed with prejudice in Ohio earlier this month.

https://www.yahoo.com/now/menacing-case-against-local-jeweler-040100583.html
Interesting.  Sounds like one of the golfers knew someone. 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 11, 2021, 12:01:57 PM
Interesting.  Sounds like one of the golfers knew someone. 

If the golfers knew someone then the case wouldn't have been dismissed.

The charges were against the jeweler, who supposedly pulled a gun on the golfers.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on November 11, 2021, 12:05:18 PM
My account on FB was permanently deleted because I was defending Rittenhouse's actions. Everything from 2009-2021 gone including posts from now dead relatives, and my FB messenger account. Almost solely because I defended the Kenosha kid. I also got dinged for a few spicy memes, and for talking about gun training. Even though it was a plain vanilla gun class. I guess at the end they were just piling on complaints.

They permazucked me the day after I got into an argument with a guy who was maintaining that African-Americans deserved special treatment purely on the basis of being African-American... They didn't tell me exactly why, but I'm guessing he sent wayback machine, and reported everything. They did send me one link about selling gun parts. I made some muzzle brakes back around 2015 or so...
 
High school, college, work and army buddies, tons of photographs... business connections, etc... Gone.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 11, 2021, 12:10:53 PM

They permazucked me the day after I got into an argument with a guy who was maintaining that African-Americans deserved special treatment purely on the basis of being African-American...

Wonder if asking just where is African-America would get you banned?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on November 11, 2021, 12:21:43 PM
Grosskreutz made it to Good Morning America. Glad to see the media is being impartial.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 11, 2021, 12:30:36 PM
If the golfers knew someone then the case wouldn't have been dismissed.

The charges were against the jeweler, who supposedly pulled a gun on the golfers.
I was thinking in the prosecutor's office to actually get charges filed and the case brought to court.  Obviously not the judge.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: lee n. field on November 11, 2021, 12:30:48 PM

They permazucked me the day after I got into an argument with a guy who was maintaining that African-Americans deserved special treatment purely on the basis of being African-American... They didn't tell me exactly why, but I'm guessing he sent wayback machine, and reported everything. They did send me one link about selling gun parts. I made some muzzle brakes back around 2015 or so...
 
High school, college, work and army buddies, tons of photographs... business connections, etc... Gone.

Which is why I every now and then will have FB bundle everything up, and I download it.

Settings, your facebutt information, view. 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 11, 2021, 12:31:21 PM
Grosskreutz made it to Good Morning America. Glad to see the media is being impartial.

Did they bill him as the Hero Medic of Kenosha?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 11, 2021, 12:32:57 PM
To be honest, I'm surprised that I still have a Facespace account given some of the stuff that I posted/shared over the last couple of years.

I've really backed off in what I post, though, since I took my current job. They have a really stringent social media policy, and even though my account is locked down as tightly as I can get it... I simply don't trust it not to get back to my employer.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 11, 2021, 01:05:28 PM
Merriam Webster for some odd reason, really related to nothing, decided that today was a good day to highlight the definition, "crocodile tears".

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/11/11/did-merriam-webster-really-troll-kyle-rittenhouse/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 11, 2021, 01:16:32 PM
Binger just stepped in it again.  The judge just yelled at him again but this time with the jury in the room, then sent them out.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 11, 2021, 01:20:41 PM
When you get your news from only certain sources:

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/11/11/another-red-pilled-progressive-admits-her-progressive-bubble-made-rittenhouse-case-seem-like-a-very-different-case/


And I will add, from a personal viewpoint, that I too, did not get well-rounded information on this case, even though I try to look at various news sources. It actually wasn't until yesterday that I learned the full extent of Rosenbaum's disgusting crimes, and only because Twitchy linked to his full arrest record. I don't want to be crass, but:

Rosenbaum sucked a little kid's dick. Rosenbaum made a little kid suck his dick. Rosenbaum stuck his dick in a little kid's anus. Rosenbaum is lucky he was shot and killed. Rosenbaum deserved to be slowly tortured to death. People like Anna Novarro are calling for sympathy for Rosenbaum because the "white supremacist shot him". Those people could do with a bullet in the head as well. What disgusting excuses for human beings.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 11, 2021, 01:22:23 PM
Binger just stepped in it again.  The judge just yelled at him again but this time with the jury in the room, then sent them out.

What was the issue this time?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 11, 2021, 01:24:26 PM
When you get your news from only certain sources:

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/11/11/another-red-pilled-progressive-admits-her-progressive-bubble-made-rittenhouse-case-seem-like-a-very-different-case/


And I will add, from a personal viewpoint, that I too, did not get well-rounded information on this case, even though I try to look at various news sources. It actually wasn't until yesterday that I learned the full extent of Rosenbaum's disgusting crimes, and only because Twitchy linked to his full arrest record. I don't want to be crass, but:

Rosenbaum sucked a little kid's dick. Rosenbaum made a little kid suck his dick. Rosenbaum stuck his dick in a little kid's anus. Rosenbaum is lucky he was shot and killed. Rosenbaum deserved to be slowly tortured to death. People like Anna Novarro are calling for sympathy for Rosenbaum because the "white supremacist shot him". Those people could do with a bullet in the head as well. What disgusting excuses for human beings.

Many heroes of the left are, or were in this case and others, career criminals and often just flat out disgusting human beings in general.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on November 11, 2021, 01:26:35 PM
What was the issue this time?

Trying to establish defense witness as biased based on his job. Conservative alt media. Insinuating bias because same witness lawyered up before sharing video.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 11, 2021, 01:40:17 PM
CBS News reporting unbiasedly (Note this is a screengrab. They deleted the post and changed the new one to "killed"):

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FD6s6rtXwAIJHsA?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 11, 2021, 02:07:49 PM
I've been following the discussions of this case both here and on The Firing Line. I am dismayed and disappointed that over on TFL there are a few people who still seem to think that Rittenhouse is a murderer and that he deserves to be convicted on all charges.

A new one (not a new member, but new to the discussion) just showed up today.

It's sad. Even sadder is the remarkable level of ignorance about self defense laws those people demonstrate.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 11, 2021, 02:28:02 PM
When you get your news from only certain sources:

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/11/11/another-red-pilled-progressive-admits-her-progressive-bubble-made-rittenhouse-case-seem-like-a-very-different-case/


And I will add, from a personal viewpoint, that I too, did not get well-rounded information on this case, even though I try to look at various news sources. It actually wasn't until yesterday that I learned the full extent of Rosenbaum's disgusting crimes, and only because Twitchy linked to his full arrest record. I don't want to be crass, but:

Rosenbaum sucked a little kid's dick. Rosenbaum made a little kid suck his dick. Rosenbaum stuck his dick in a little kid's anus. Rosenbaum is lucky he was shot and killed. Rosenbaum deserved to be slowly tortured to death. People like Anna Novarro are calling for sympathy for Rosenbaum because the "white supremacist shot him". Those people could do with a bullet in the head as well. What disgusting excuses for human beings.
I didn't look at those details, but people like Steven Crowder played a bunch of the video from the shooting so the basic facts of the case were fairly clear.  I didn't go out of my way to research things, but the media I do watch covered quite a bit of it. 

I guess anything that pops some of the progressive bubbles these people are trapped in, so much the better.  At least they might be open to alternative ideas more after this.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 11, 2021, 02:29:01 PM
Binger just got slapped down again. He didn't like the answer a witness gave, so he helpfully "reminded" the witnes that he is testifying under oath. The judge stepped in and told Binger that such statements may be perceived by the jury as implying that the witness is lying, and therefore such statements are not allowed.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 11, 2021, 02:34:17 PM
Binger is really bad at his job:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1458860906381815816
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on November 11, 2021, 02:47:00 PM
The greatest president ever talked about two Americas. That doesn’t begin to cover it, more like two different corners of the multiverse. The coverage on the “other” side doesn’t leave me much hope that we can be like Rodney King and all get along.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MillCreek on November 11, 2021, 02:56:51 PM
Even sadder is the remarkable level of ignorance about self defense laws those people demonstrate.

To be fair though, self-defense laws can be quite state-specific and what seems unusual or ignorant to you in your state may be spot on in the poster's state.  For example, here in Washington, I would most likely get a self-defense jury instruction for someone pointing a Glock at me. Someone trying to strike me with a skateboard, probably not depending on the circumstances.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 11, 2021, 03:04:07 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FD7t_FgXoAY-Eld?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 11, 2021, 03:28:08 PM
The greatest president ever talked about two Americas. That doesn’t begin to cover it, more like two different corners of the multiverse. The coverage on the “other” side doesn’t leave me much hope that we can be like Rodney King and all get along.
Some of them don't seem to be interested in getting along at all.  At least, that is the rhetoric they use.  I think some of that is the anonymity of the internet and living in a silo of ideas where alternative viewpoints are not allowed.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 11, 2021, 04:06:41 PM
Bernie Goetz weighs in:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-sham-subway-vigilante-bernie-goetz

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 11, 2021, 04:08:28 PM
Judge trying to understand the basics of interpolation methods: "Uncharged pickles?"
I think it was intentional, but hilarious.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 11, 2021, 04:53:11 PM
Judge trying to understand the basics of interpolation methods: "Uncharged pickles?"
I think it was intentional, but hilarious.

I think a bit more context might be helpful here ...
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 11, 2021, 04:59:18 PM
I think a bit more context might be helpful here ...
It is probably even better without context, but okay.
The prosecution was trying to admit stills from a blurry drone video to prove that Rittenhouse pointed his gun at some rioters shortly before being attacked by the pedo.  They used a process called interpolation to try to clarify that video.  There are various interpolation algorithms that try to average the color of nearby pixels in order to add additional pixels.  Defense is arguing this might produce an inaccurate perception of what is happening when the picture is enlarged to that point.  The judge was asking about those new pixels and jokingly referred to them as uncharged pickles.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 12, 2021, 05:59:21 AM
Day 8 recap and analysis.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-8-prosecutions-last-desperate-lunge-for-evidence-of-guilt/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Boomhauer on November 12, 2021, 06:22:07 AM
I've been following the discussions of this case both here and on The Firing Line. I am dismayed and disappointed that over on TFL there are a few people who still seem to think that Rittenhouse is a murderer and that he deserves to be convicted on all charges.

A new one (not a new member, but new to the discussion) just showed up today.

It's sad. Even sadder is the remarkable level of ignorance about self defense laws those people demonstrate.

You should ask them why are they so salty about a pedo and a wife beater taking unexpected dirt naps
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Jim147 on November 12, 2021, 08:26:05 AM
The media really wants to see riots.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 12, 2021, 08:35:46 AM
The media really wants to see riots.

Absolutely.

Here's Grosskreutz giving a different tale than he did on the witness stand, with NBC helping him along:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1458781171282845698

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/11/11/good-morning-america-tweets-clip-of-interview-with-sole-survivor-shot-by-kyle-rittenhouse-that-ignores-trial-testimony/

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/11/11/straight-up-propaganda-dana-loesch-others-have-thoughts-about-nbc-news-update-on-wounded-paramedic-shot-by-kyle-rittenhouse/

I know some of you don't like the Twitchy links with the conservative bias, but frankly, they are one of the few sources highlighting the MSM bias and actually linking to facts in this case.

Because of the MSM, we have people believing Rittenhouse went on a shooting spree against black people, or shot totally innocent bystanders, or ran after people instead of running from them, and Grosskreutz is considered a hero.

Plus the Hollywood celebrity input, that sadly affects way to many sheep:

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/kyle-rittenhouse-mocked-hollywood-tearful-trial

Yes, there will riots, and antifa will be in the news again (as peacefully protesting heroes).
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 12, 2021, 10:40:02 AM
Loving the memes

(http://RittenhouseMario.JPG)
(http://RittenhouseFlair.JPG)
Mr. Rittenhouse, 15 pieces of flair is the bare minimum.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 12, 2021, 11:43:13 AM
They’re currently arguing over lesser included offenses for the reckless homicide charge. 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 12, 2021, 12:24:51 PM
Looking pretty good on the illegal possession of the rifle by a minor charge.  Judge said he is inclined to force the jury to search the evidence presented to determine if the prosecution proved that the rifle was a short barreled rifle (defense already got a detective to say that it wasn't at one point) before convicting on that count.  The prosecution definitely didn't present evidence to show that.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Kingcreek on November 12, 2021, 12:48:16 PM
The judge seems to lose focus at times today. Kind of undecided and wish washy sometimes, other times he seems pretty solid on jury instructions.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 12, 2021, 01:15:45 PM
The judge seems to lose focus at times today. Kind of undecided and wish washy sometimes, other times he seems pretty solid on jury instructions.

I can't help but think that the attacks in the MSM and the late night shows might be affecting him. He might be starting to second guess himself on everything he says, worried about how it might be twisted and affect the trial.

While I have watched portions of the trial with interest, I kinda wish it weren't televised, given the MSM and big tech.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 12, 2021, 01:32:51 PM
Quote
Dr. Jack Brown
@DrGJackBrown
Rittenhouse displays a sexual hand gesture of masturbation when describing loading his AR-15. This is a profound nonverbal tell/body language Freudian Slip indicative of Sexual Sadism.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/12/purported-body-language-expert-cant-help-but-notice-kyle-rittenhouses-freudian-slip-indicative-of-sexual-sadism-pic/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 12, 2021, 01:39:57 PM
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/12/purported-body-language-expert-cant-help-but-notice-kyle-rittenhouses-freudian-slip-indicative-of-sexual-sadism-pic/

And probably is already an undisputed fact on facebook, CNN, MSNBC etc......
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MillCreek on November 12, 2021, 01:58:41 PM
According to:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/bodylanguageexpert/

and

https://www.bodylanguageeq.com/about-us

Dr. Jack Brown is indeed a physician.  Albeit he is an opthalmologist specializing in retinal disorders.  I might ask his opinion on diabetic retinopathy, maybe not so much on body language.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 12, 2021, 02:01:48 PM
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/12/purported-body-language-expert-cant-help-but-notice-kyle-rittenhouses-freudian-slip-indicative-of-sexual-sadism-pic/

I think this is projection.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 12, 2021, 02:04:56 PM
I think this is projection.

Nah... he's a doctor... or something... but the left loves him, so we have to believe him.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 12, 2021, 02:33:37 PM
Does anyone know the relevant statutory language on sexual sadism in Wisconsin? What sexual sadism crimes did he commit again?

#sexpositiveusedtobeathing
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 12, 2021, 02:37:22 PM
What sexual sadism crimes did he commit again?


Enemy of the left
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 12, 2021, 02:59:33 PM
Enemy of the left

hang 'im


Funny how sexual adventurism is part of your sacred journey of self-discovery - until the Left wants to use it against you.

Just like how the Left discovered an abhorrence to vulgarity, when Trump was doing it. And so on.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 12, 2021, 03:06:21 PM
People commenting on this trial have mentioned the Jussie Smollett incident so many times that it is trending on twitter. And because of shadow banning, #FreeKyle isn't trending, but Jussie Smollett is.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 12, 2021, 03:09:40 PM
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/12/purported-body-language-expert-cant-help-but-notice-kyle-rittenhouses-freudian-slip-indicative-of-sexual-sadism-pic/

This is my rifle, this is my gun ...
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 12, 2021, 03:17:54 PM
People commenting on this trial have mentioned the Jussie Smollett incident so many times that is is trending on twitter. And because of shadow banning #FreeKyle isn't trending, but Jussie Smollett is.

Please translate for the ignorant amongst us.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 12, 2021, 05:03:46 PM
Twitter keeps track of which #HashTags are being used, they display which ones are the most popular, but also sometimes give favor for or against certain hashtags.

So many people are comparing the lies by the media to the Jussie Smollett hoax that #JussieSmollett is now getting another 15 mins in the sun. In an unbiased world the more popular #FreeKyle would have that spot as Smollett is secondary to Kyle in mentions.

https://babylonbee.com/news/liberals-accuse-rittenhouse-of-trying-to-avoid-punishment-through-legal-loophole-known-as-trial
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Kingcreek on November 12, 2021, 05:17:38 PM
You know a curious thing has occurred to me. I have to be in Chicago Thursday to Sunday. Downtown on Michigan avenue, staying at the Marriott.
What if... The rittenhouse trial ends in not guilty and the Arbery trial ends however? Downtown Chicago could be on fire again amid a serious shortage of police officers and sensible politicians.
I cannot take my GUNZ because Amtrak. I can probably take my fire extinguisher though.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 12, 2021, 05:20:04 PM
You know a curious thing has occurred to me. I have to be in Chicago Thursday to Sunday. Downtown on Michigan avenue, staying at the Marriott.
What if... The rittenhouse trial ends in not guilty and the Arbery trial ends however? Downtown Chicago could be on fire again amid a serious shortage of police officers and sensible politicians.
I cannot take my GUNZ because Amtrak. I can probably take my fire extinguisher though.

Find a way, any way, to stay home.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 12, 2021, 05:21:19 PM
I can probably take my fire extinguisher though.


A fire extinguisher should do the trick. After all, it can take out an armed Capitol Police officer.  ;/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 12, 2021, 05:22:04 PM
Good day, week perhaps, to take a vacation and stay home.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 12, 2021, 05:27:10 PM
The way I see it what the final verdict will pretty much depend on whether or not the jury can shrug off any real or imagined threats now.
Although the final verdict may not matter to those just looking for an excuse to riot and loot.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 12, 2021, 05:39:48 PM
You know a curious thing has occurred to me. I have to be in Chicago Thursday to Sunday. Downtown on Michigan avenue, staying at the Marriott.
What if... The rittenhouse trial ends in not guilty and the Arbery trial ends however? Downtown Chicago could be on fire again amid a serious shortage of police officers and sensible politicians.
I cannot take my GUNZ because Amtrak. I can probably take my fire extinguisher though.

If you're on a line that offers checked baggage, you can check a firearm in your baggage.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RocketMan on November 12, 2021, 06:20:46 PM
The way I see it what the final verdict will be pretty much depends on whether or not the jury can shrug off any real or imagined threats now.
Although the final verdict may not matter to those just looking for an excuse to riot and loot.

Had the same thoughts.  It's known that Antifa and/or BLM has been shooting video of the jurors as they entered and exited the courthouse.  If the jurors themselves were made aware of this, they've got to be very concerned.  They are not sequestered.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: zxcvbob on November 12, 2021, 06:22:36 PM
If you're on a line that offers checked baggage, you can check a firearm in your baggage.

Are you sure you can check a firearm to Chicago?  (or NYC, etc)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RocketMan on November 12, 2021, 06:25:41 PM
Are you sure you can check a firearm to Chicago?  (or NYC, etc)

Supposedly you can if you're just passing through.  I don't believe you can have it with you if you are staying in NYC.  Don't know about Chicago.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: T.O.M. on November 12, 2021, 11:13:47 PM
I think you're pretty safe in that part of Chicago.  And the weather forecast isn't favorable for looting and burning, or at least not looting.  Don't forget your cane for your bad ankle maybe?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: griz on November 13, 2021, 07:15:23 AM
^^^^

Much like the beach forecasts around here, I'm imagining a riot forecast there:  "Don't forget your sunscreen if you're out early, and wear a hat if you're going to (mostly peacefully) loot all night, it's going to be chilly"
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 13, 2021, 07:19:06 AM
It's nice and warm next to the fire.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 13, 2021, 07:27:32 AM
Did the judge ever formally rule on the mistrial request?

I can't find anything that specifically states that he did.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 13, 2021, 08:06:57 AM
Okay, all joking aside.
I don't think the left as a whole is nearly as invested in this case as they have been in others, ie Floyd, Brown. I think there may be some incidents but they'll be small and mostly isolated. There is always someone looking for an excuse, any excuse to go out and pick up a new big screen TV.
My biggest worries is for the jury and Kyle, especially Kyle. All it takes is one.
Now if there's another police on POC shooting during what ever does happen then all bets are off. 

 
 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 13, 2021, 08:19:59 AM
I'll agree that people like BLM may not be invested in this, but Kyle was really defending himself against antifa and antifa-like white people, so I would definitely expect them to all come out of the woodwork. It might end up being localized to places like Portland. Chicago seems like it's more BLM land rather than antifa land.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 13, 2021, 08:36:50 AM
In antifa's case I think it will be more of case of the MSM paying attention to antifa being antifa for a short while.
We shall see.

Thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 13, 2021, 01:00:07 PM
I'll agree that people like BLM may not be invested in this, but Kyle was really defending himself against antifa and antifa-like white people, so I would definitely expect them to all come out of the woodwork. It might end up being localized to places like Portland. Chicago seems like it's more BLM land rather than antifa land.


But the masses apparently think he just walked up to a bunch of black race-rioters BIPOC protestors and shot them, just for the pure white supremacy of it. Do the facts really matter to the mob?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 13, 2021, 06:19:11 PM
Great comments regarding all the people shouting about "crossing state lines". Especially about the people who also shout about "no borders!"


https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/13/glenn-greenwald-admits-he-didnt-realize-until-recently-that-crossing-state-lines-was-such-a-sacred-and-weighty-act/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Jim147 on November 13, 2021, 06:45:14 PM
I guess all the twin cities are in flyover country so they don't understand.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: JN01 on November 14, 2021, 12:45:57 AM
Drone footage proving that Rittenhouse was pointing his gun at the victim:
(https://i.ibb.co/Zccj6XH/nessie.jpg)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 14, 2021, 07:10:13 AM
Drone footage proving that Rittenhouse was pointing his gun at the victim:
(https://i.ibb.co/Zccj6XH/nessie.jpg)

OK, that made me laugh!
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on November 14, 2021, 08:03:06 AM
Social media observation:
 
A LOT of the pushier blather seems to be coming from accounts which follow under 100 people, with under 100 followers themselves.
 
I'm guessing that a lot of them are interconnected, and... are a dozen or so windows on each of a few dozen workstations...
 
And they have a message to push, and are being paid by the post...
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Boomhauer on November 14, 2021, 08:06:54 AM
Social media observation:
 
A LOT of the pushier blather seems to be coming from accounts which follow under 100 people, with under 100 followers themselves.
 
I'm guessing that a lot of them are interconnected, and... are a dozen or so windows on each of a few dozen workstations...
 
And they have a message to push, and are being paid by the post...

Probably bots, as we have seen with other Twitter cancer waves.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: HankB on November 14, 2021, 08:40:31 AM
Drone footage proving that Rittenhouse was pointing his gun at the victim:
(https://i.ibb.co/Zccj6XH/nessie.jpg)

Same picture after enhancement by the prosecution's expert:
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-VR8byaNOU4E%2FT7O61Dz7LoI%2FAAAAAAAAC6E%2Fvtkv9DkrFls%2Fs1600%2FdirtyHarry1971.%2BSCORPIO.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ron on November 14, 2021, 03:07:12 PM
Have the attorneys for Kyle Rittenhouse proved he is innocent of all crimes beyond a reasonable doubt? Guilty! Off with his head!
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 14, 2021, 08:07:08 PM
https://nypost.com/2021/11/12/wisconsin-national-guard-troops-activated-ahead-of-kyle-rittenhouse-verdict/

Hmm ... maybe they should have done that before the Kenosha riots.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 14, 2021, 08:13:45 PM
https://nypost.com/2021/11/12/wisconsin-national-guard-troops-activated-ahead-of-kyle-rittenhouse-verdict/

Hmm ... maybe they should have done that before the Kenosha riots.

It's just in case the Trump supporters riot when Kyle is convicted of a hate crime mass murder
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Boomhauer on November 14, 2021, 09:57:53 PM
I’m tired of hearing mother *expletive deleted*ers whining about “but the rule of law!”

The rule of law ceased to matter the second the police and politicians let the rioters run wild to burn, loot, and murder. I’m tired of people suddenly being concerned about every minute aspect of the shooting and law concerning Kyle having a rifle and defending himself  buuutttt excusing the actions of the rioters that ultimately earned them their bullets. *expletive deleted*ck em. If Rittenhouse had shot each and every one of them it would have been a great thing.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 15, 2021, 10:56:47 AM
Gun charge dismissed.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/11/15/breaking-judge-dismisses-gun-charge-against-kyle-rittenhouse-case-as-trial-nears-end/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 15, 2021, 11:26:52 AM
Apparently his lawyers have also submitted an official request for a mistrial.

I thought they did that last week.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 15, 2021, 11:29:30 AM
Apparently his lawyers have also submitted an official request for a mistrial.

I thought they did that last week.

Wouldn't a mistrial mean doing it all over again?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 15, 2021, 11:33:19 AM
This popped up during a google search on mistrial details

https://twitter.com/search/mistrial
Profile picture for Page Pate
Page Pate
@pagepate
A mistrial just because Rev. Jesse Jackson is in the courtroom? Thankfully, that’s not how this works. This is a public trial. #AhmaudArbery
Twitter · 2 mins ago
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anne schindler
@schindy
All 3 defense attorneys now joining a motion for mistrial after the Reverend Jackson comforted a weeping Wanda Cooper Jones when a picture of a younger #AhmaudArbery was shown. Several jurors looked her way and saw the interaction @FCN2go
Twitter · 4 mins ago
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Hayley Mason
@HayleyMasonTV
Gough moving for a mistrial citing pastors in the court and Arbery's mother crying in court. "We have all these community leaders fearful they are going to burn the whole city down." Now Jason Sheffield is joining the motion because jurors looked over and displayed sympathy.
Twitter · 8 mins ago
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Brad Johnson on November 15, 2021, 11:35:06 AM
Wouldn't a mistrial mean doing it all over again?

Depends. Simple mistrial, yes. Mistrial with prejudice. No.

Brad
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 15, 2021, 11:35:39 AM
More from the same google search

Jenese Harris
@WJXTJenese
McMichael/Bryan Murder Trial for Ahmaud Arbery's Death: Kevin Gough calls for a mistrial.
Twitter · 11 mins ago
Profile picture for Nancy Chen
Nancy Chen
@NancyChenNews
Kyle Rittenhouse's defense notifies the judge it has formally filed a motion in writing for a mistrial with prejudice -- it was spoken in court previously. They have asked for the judge to make a ruling. Closing arguments will go on in the meantime.
Twitter · 48 mins ago
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 15, 2021, 11:43:44 AM
Well, maybe I was wrong about only antifa rioting:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-police-cancel-day-off-rittenhouse-trial

Looks like even the left is expecting something other than "guilty".
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 15, 2021, 11:50:04 AM
Well, maybe I was wrong about only antifa rioting:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-police-cancel-day-off-rittenhouse-trial

Looks like even the left is expecting something other than "guilty".

Watch half or more of them stay home anyway. Meh, let it burn
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 15, 2021, 12:01:12 PM
Well, maybe I was wrong about only antifa rioting:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-police-cancel-day-off-rittenhouse-trial

Looks like even the left is expecting something other than "guilty".

Couldn't help but notice this

Quote
Fraternal Order of Police President John Catanzara claimed decision made if 'verdict doesn't go positive'

Hope he doesn't mean positive in the way I think he does.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 15, 2021, 12:01:16 PM
Wouldn't a mistrial mean doing it all over again?

Depends.

A mistrial with prejudice would mean that the state can't bring the same charges again.

A simple mistrial could result in a new trial... or it could result in the prosecution realizing that its case is so weak that it doesn't see any avenue for success in seeking another trial.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 15, 2021, 12:02:26 PM
And the ruling on the weapons charge takes the wind out of the sails of one of my FB friends...

She was going on and on and on how Rittenhouse was guilty of the gun charge, which by extension meant he was also guilty of murder.

Oops...

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on November 15, 2021, 12:06:28 PM
How many free steps will an acquitted Rittenhouse take before being arrested by federal agents for hate crimes or domestic terror charges?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Boomhauer on November 15, 2021, 12:14:28 PM
And the ruling on the weapons charge takes the wind out of the sails of one of my FB friends...

She was going on and on and on how Rittenhouse was guilty of the gun charge, which by extension meant he was also guilty of murder.

Oops...



I’m guessing she isn’t concerned at all about arson, assault, and looting that the “victims” were engaged in. Those violations of the law are A-OK in her book.

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 15, 2021, 12:21:42 PM
I’m guessing she isn’t concerned at all about arson, assault, and looting that the “victims” were engaged in. Those violations of the law are A-OK in her book.

As long as the right left people are doing it.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 15, 2021, 12:27:24 PM
I’m guessing she isn’t concerned at all about arson, assault, and looting that the “victims” were engaged in. Those violations of the law are A-OK in her book.



But those were mostly peaceful protests!
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Nick1911 on November 15, 2021, 12:40:38 PM
How long do you suppose deliberations will last?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 15, 2021, 12:59:37 PM
How many free steps will an acquitted Rittenhouse take before being arrested by federal agents for hate crimes or domestic terror charges?

I haven't seen anything yet, but from the behavior of this DOJ so far, he won't get many steps. I also would expect them to use their favorite "domestic terrorist" line. I don't see any way of it sticking, and he would likely go free at some point. But it's all about breaking people via the process.

Kyle will likely get a bunch of pro bono defense offers if this happens, but not everyone the feds do this crap to gets that lucky.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 15, 2021, 01:11:55 PM
I haven't seen anything yet, but from the behavior of this DOJ so far, he won't get many steps. I also would expect them to use their favorite "domestic terrorist" line. I don't see any way of it sticking, and he would likely go free at some point. But it's all about breaking people via the process.

Kyle will likely get a bunch of pro bono defense offers if this happens, but not everyone the feds do this crap to gets that lucky.

The process is, in many way, the punishment.

I just hope Robert Barnes is at least on level involved after the verdict is in, whichever way things go.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 15, 2021, 01:16:03 PM
How long do you suppose deliberations will last?

The longer it takes the more likely at least lesser included charges are going to return guilty verdicts.  A very fast deliberation will either mean guilty on all charges or not guilty due to self defense on all charges.  I’d say guilty is more likely in a super fast decision.  A modestly long deliberation (say, a decision by tomorrow evening) is likely a not guilty verdict on at least the most serious charges.  If it runs past Thursday I’d say it’s heading for a hung jury on some or all counts.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 15, 2021, 01:37:13 PM
Closing arguments.

"You lose the right to self-defense when you're the one who brought the gun." "You can't claim self-defense against an unarmed man."

https://twitter.com/i/status/1460303719262826496

More prosecutor wisdom at:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/15/the-hell-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-ada-thomas-binger-claims-you-lose-the-right-to-self-defense-when-youre-the-one-who-brought-the-gun-video/

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: HankB on November 15, 2021, 01:41:50 PM
Hmmm . . . if they're afraid of violent riots when Kyle is acquitted . . . doesn't that mean it would be his assailant's supporters who are prone to violent rioting? And wouldn't that suggest that the people Kyle shot were the same kind of people?

If I were a juror and heard/saw some of what's being said OUTSIDE of court, my inclination would be to acquit now, even if it wasn't before.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 15, 2021, 01:42:45 PM
""You lose the right to self-defense when you're the one who brought the gun." "You can't claim self-defense against an unarmed man.""

Wow... I'm really glad that I'm not on the jury. I would not be able to control my outburst at that.

Does the prosecution close first or last?

I'm hoping first, and I hope that the defense shoves that statement up Binger's ass sideways.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 15, 2021, 01:45:31 PM
Excellent.

Prosecution goes first in closing arguments.

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 15, 2021, 01:47:55 PM
""You lose the right to self-defense when you're the one who brought the gun." "You can't claim self-defense against an unarmed man.""

Wow... I'm really glad that I'm not on the jury. I would not be able to control my outburst at that.


In this day and age if there are any liberals on that jury what the prosecutor said will be one of those "the science is setter" "facts" to them.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: De Selby on November 15, 2021, 02:06:06 PM
Closing arguments.

"You lose the right to self-defense when you're the one who brought the gun." "You can't claim self-defense against an unarmed man."

https://twitter.com/i/status/1460303719262826496

More prosecutor wisdom at:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/15/the-hell-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-ada-thomas-binger-claims-you-lose-the-right-to-self-defense-when-youre-the-one-who-brought-the-gun-video/

The key bit is “provoking other people.” If the jury buys the story he was pointing the rifle at people right before the first shooting he is in serious trouble. There really wasn’t anything in the trial except that grainy video at the end, but who knows what a jury will do?

It’s better to never face a jury than have a great case.




Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 15, 2021, 02:07:19 PM
I am listening to Steven Crowder's livestream.  I thought CNN or someone said the prosecutor gets to rebut the defense after the defense closing arguments.  Anyone know how it is done in Wisconsin?


For closing arguments, the prosecutor is talking an awful long time and practically reintroducing evidence.  There needs to be a fixed time limit.  He is playing videos and such.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 15, 2021, 02:22:41 PM
I thought I heard that each side gets 2.5 hours for their closing argument.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 15, 2021, 02:24:01 PM
I thought I heard that each side gets 2.5 hours for their closing argument.
I heard that also last week.  2.5 hours is a very very long time.  Should be more like 30 minutes. 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: dogmush on November 15, 2021, 02:44:25 PM
The key bit is “provoking other people.” If the jury buys the story he was pointing the rifle at people right before the first shooting he is in serious trouble. There really wasn’t anything in the trial except that grainy video at the end, but who knows what a jury will do?

It’s better to never face a jury than have a great case.

This is an untrue statement.  Under WI (and many others) law, while provoking, or threatening, a third party can be it's own crime, once he disengaged and ran he regains the right to self defense.  Once one party communicates the desire to stop the engagement  everyone is supposed to stop. By pursuing and cornering Kyle, Rosenbaum became the aggressor and Kyle had the right to defend himself.


And that's if you believe Kyle decided to be a southpaw for a sec and pointed the rifle at anyone.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: De Selby on November 15, 2021, 02:55:23 PM
This is an untrue statement.  Under WI (and many others) law, while provoking, or threatening, a third party can be it's own crime, once he disengaged and ran he regains the right to self defense.  Once one party communicates the desire to stop the engagement  everyone is supposed to stop. By pursuing and cornering Kyle, Rosenbaum became the aggressor and Kyle had the right to defend himself.


And that's if you believe Kyle decided to be a southpaw for a sec and pointed the rifle at anyone.


That’s a great argument on the evidence and in general - unfortunately the prosecutor was not so generous, and there is a non-zero possibility the jury believes his version of provocation which was offered against a jury instruction quite different to your explanation of the law of WI.

It is absolutely true to say that if the jury believes the line about pointing the gun first, he’s in serious trouble. Because that means everything about his encounter with the first decedent turns on exhausting all avenues of retreat. Will they buy the provocation arguments?

Hard to say, but sure is a good reason to think it’s better to avoid these situations in the first place.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: dogmush on November 15, 2021, 03:02:24 PM
36 pages of jury instructions.

That seems like it isn't succinct and easy to understand for lay people.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 15, 2021, 03:03:30 PM
Holy crap. I thought this was just some conservatives making fun of the prosecution with an internet image, but Binger actually used this image from "Roadhouse" in closing statements, also telling the jury, "Many of you have probably been in a barfight before..."

https://twitter.com/i/status/1460303717866119172

Also, in the movie, an unarmed Dalton killed that guy.

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: dogmush on November 15, 2021, 03:06:15 PM
And the bad guy was armed.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 15, 2021, 03:10:33 PM
Unbelievably brave heroes:



https://twitter.com/i/status/1460315228210614282
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 15, 2021, 03:11:15 PM
Unbelievably brave heroes:



https://twitter.com/i/status/1460315228210614282
Did they ask her which one was the convicted pedophile? 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 15, 2021, 03:12:01 PM
Did they ask her which one was the convicted pedophile?

Yes, and she said she didn't care, leave him alone.

Stupidity and ignorance like that is why we are going to see riots again when anything other than "guilty" comes through.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 15, 2021, 03:14:18 PM
And the bad guy was armed.
Bicep boy had a pistol.  He got hit over the head with a skateboard.  I heard someone say the one guy grabbing his AR-15 can be considered as him being armed. 

I guess it is just more stuff added to the mountain of misinformation around this whole event.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 15, 2021, 03:21:08 PM

I guess it is just more stuff added to the mountain of misinformation around this whole event.

I'm kinda surprised that pedo, et al haven't been photoshopped into black people at this point, with CNN et al referring to them as POC.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 15, 2021, 03:25:08 PM
 :facepalm:

Quote
    Good God! Prosecutor takes the AR (an admitted exhibit), says his assistant has “ checked it to be sure it isn’t loaded.” Then, without himself opening the action to confirm unloaded, raises it and points it in the direction of the jury!

    Inexcusable.

    — pipermcq (@pipermcq) November 15, 2021
Quote
    Look at this goofball with his finger on the trigger pointed at a courtroom full of people. pic.twitter.com/th5eARTaPT

    — Shane B. Murphy (@shanermurph) November 15, 2021
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/15/omg-apparently-rittenhouse-trial-ada-thomas-binger-attended-the-alec-baldwin-school-of-firearm-safety-and-usage-photos/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 15, 2021, 03:27:27 PM
The prosecutor is really insufferable.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 15, 2021, 03:29:43 PM
https://twitter.com/digichud/status/1460323179927326724?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Brad Johnson on November 15, 2021, 03:32:55 PM
Quote
    Good God! Prosecutor takes the AR (an admitted exhibit), says his assistant has “ checked it to be sure it isn’t loaded.” Then, without himself opening the action to confirm unloaded, raises it and points it in the direction of the jury!

    Inexcusable.

    — pipermcq (@pipermcq) November 15, 2021

What the holy eff?! If I'd been on the jury I'd have walked straight out and refused to re-enter the courtroom until I had assurances the prosecutor was strictly forbidden from touching the weapons.

Brad
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 15, 2021, 03:34:46 PM
Eh ... Mark Richards was the wrong guy to do closing.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 15, 2021, 03:36:11 PM
Someone needs to print a tee-shirt with "I survived the Rittenhouse trial"
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 15, 2021, 03:38:51 PM
Did someone say RACE!?

Blue-checks already out in full force playing the ‘what if Kyle were black’ card trying to make a white guy shooting other white guys racist
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/11/15/blue-checks-already-out-in-full-force-playing-the-what-if-kyle-were-black-card-trying-to-make-a-white-guy-shooting-other-white-guys-racist/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 15, 2021, 04:31:15 PM
Eh ... Mark Richards was the wrong guy to do closing.
From Mark Richards I have learned that Kyle's AR-14 cannot be fired left-handed.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 15, 2021, 04:37:29 PM
From Mark Richards I have learned that Kyle's AR-14 cannot be fired left-handed.

Ugh.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 15, 2021, 04:39:16 PM
Overall, some gun nut issues aside, Richards had been on fire with his closing.  Where the hell was this fire, passion and willingness to call out the persecution on their bovine scat for the previous 2 weeks!!
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 15, 2021, 04:40:51 PM
Overall, some gun nut issues aside, Richards had been on fire with his closing.  Where the hell was this fire, passion and willingness to call out the persecution on their bovine scat for the previous 2 weeks!!

Sometimes the last few minutes is what sticks in the jury's mind the most.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 15, 2021, 04:42:22 PM
You think so?  Seems disjointed, rushed, and inconsistent.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 15, 2021, 04:43:54 PM
He did finally bring up the inconsistency of bicep boy carrying a loaded gun on a regular basis but saying he could not take a life.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 15, 2021, 04:45:32 PM
I’m guessing she isn’t concerned at all about arson, assault, and looting that the “victims” were engaged in. Those violations of the law are A-OK in her book.


Apparently A-OK to the prosecutor as well

Quote
    Binger says that the all Rosenbaum did the night of the shooting was tip over a porta-potty, light a dumpster on fire, swing a chain, tip over a trailer and set it on fire, and say the n-word pic.twitter.com/OgC4XvJulS

    — Washington Free Beacon (@FreeBeacon) November 15, 2021
‘Seemed like a swell chap’: Prosecutor lists some of the crimes Joesph Rosenbaum committed the night he was killed
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/15/seemed-like-a-swell-chap-prosecutor-lists-some-of-the-crimes-joesph-rosenbaum-committed-the-night-he-was-killed/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 15, 2021, 04:45:53 PM
Sometimes the last few minutes is what sticks in the jury's mind the most.

Yes, but it’s even more effective to not let them make the arguments in the first place.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RocketMan on November 15, 2021, 05:11:47 PM
Yes, and she said she didn't care, leave him alone.

Stupidity and ignorance like that is why we are going to see riots again when anything other than "guilty" comes through.

I suspect there will be riots regardless of the verdict.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Kingcreek on November 15, 2021, 05:22:52 PM
Defense attorney is making a pretty strong closing argument.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 15, 2021, 05:48:49 PM
I suspect there will be riots regardless of the verdict.
It would be amusing if BLM rioted over a white on white shooting.  I am sure some antifa types will be out and about.  I guess the price of lumber might spike up a bit.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: zxcvbob on November 15, 2021, 06:20:51 PM
What the holy eff?! If I'd been on the jury I'd have walked straight out and refused to re-enter the courtroom until I had assurances the prosecutor was strictly forbidden from touching the weapons.

Brad
They should have dove for cover, since they were disarmed and couldn't shoot back.
Judge should have cleared the courtroom and had prosecutor arrested for reckless endangerment, or maybe even aggravated assault.  The trial can continue without him, or declare the mistrial with prejudice.

I really think the prosecution has been trying to get a simple mistrial so they can get a do-over.  :mad:
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Jim147 on November 15, 2021, 06:28:49 PM
I think I would have been taken off the jury for saying bailiff, disarm this *expletive deleted*ing idiot before I do.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: zxcvbob on November 15, 2021, 06:31:23 PM
I think I would have been taken off the jury for saying bailiff, disarm this *expletive deleted*ing idiot before I do.

I would not have been so eloquent, I woulda probably yelled "*expletive deleted*it!" and dove for cover.  If the judge took offense at that, I might have elaborated. (and that would have guaranteed a mistrial.)

Bailiff should have shot him, but I assume the bailiff doesn't have a gun.  and also probably didn't realize what was happening.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: dogmush on November 15, 2021, 06:34:14 PM
Bicep boy had a pistol.  He got hit over the head with a skateboard.  I heard someone say the one guy grabbing his AR-15 can be considered as him being armed. 

I guess it is just more stuff added to the mountain of misinformation around this whole event.

I was referring to the Roadhouse reference. The idiot DA said "you don't bring a weapon to a fistfight!" And then showed a picture of a [fictional] fistfight that someone brought a weapon to.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: dogmush on November 15, 2021, 06:36:58 PM
What the holy eff?! If I'd been on the jury I'd have walked straight out and refused to re-enter the courtroom until I had assurances the prosecutor was strictly forbidden from touching the weapons.

Brad

Ah yes, the Baldwin maneuver. Already a classic.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: bedlamite on November 15, 2021, 06:38:07 PM
(https://i.redd.it/9yls77hu7ez71.jpg)
(https://i.redd.it/kicshu429ez71.jpg)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 15, 2021, 06:42:13 PM
With topics like this, when you have to check hoping it is a Babylon Bee article, and not for real, the future of the country is in grave peril.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 15, 2021, 07:33:03 PM
(https://c1.legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/03-Media-Gallows-LI-1080.jpg)



(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEQ5EL-XMAMOCFz?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 15, 2021, 07:45:51 PM
Leave it to Joy Reid to twist this

Joy Reid: Right-wing Twitter called out the prosecutor for pointing a gun in the courtroom but ‘libruls are DUMB DUMB to fear AR-15s’
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/15/joy-reid-right-wing-twitter-called-out-the-prosecutor-for-pointing-a-gun-in-the-courtroom-but-libruls-are-dumb-dumb-to-fear-ar-15s/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 15, 2021, 07:59:25 PM
We see what you did there

Quote
    DEFENSE: Kyle Rittenhouse "has as much right to go there as anybody else in the city of Kenosha, and be unmolested by the likes of Joseph Rosenbaum…" pic.twitter.com/UABZUGFDsG

    — Townhall.com (@townhallcom) November 15, 2021
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/15/we-see-what-he-did-there-defense-attorney-says-rittenhouse-had-the-right-to-be-unmolested-by-the-likes-of-joseph-rosenbaum/

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 15, 2021, 08:06:00 PM
Say what?  :facepalm:
Libs please stop treating blacks like children

Quote
    Employers, consider giving your Black employees a day or two off after the Rittenhouse verdict. Regardless of the outcome, it’s going to be hard for Black people to work and it isn’t fair to expect them to.

    — Gregory McKelvey (@GregoryMcKelvey) November 15, 2021
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/15/blue-check-suggests-giving-black-employees-a-couple-of-days-off-after-the-rittenhouse-verdict-regardless-of-the-outcome/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Andiron on November 15, 2021, 08:18:25 PM
Say what?  :facepalm:
Libs please stop treating blacks like children
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/15/blue-check-suggests-giving-black-employees-a-couple-of-days-off-after-the-rittenhouse-verdict-regardless-of-the-outcome/

There were no *expletive deleted*ing blacks involved in this case,  why do they keep trying to play the race angle?*

*All three badguys were Jews, but that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish in the racial justice game
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 15, 2021, 08:24:43 PM
I didn’t know Huber and Grosskreutz were Jewish names.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Andiron on November 15, 2021, 08:33:45 PM
I didn’t know Huber and Grosskreutz were Jewish names.

I'll walk that one back if I've got it wrong.  The only form of social media I currently use is Gab,  which ain't exactly fond of The Tribes.  I'm only interested in correct.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 15, 2021, 09:11:24 PM
There were no...blacks involved in this case,  why do they keep trying to play the race angle?*

One of the whines being voiced lately is that Kyle would have been immediately killed, if he were black, so black people would supposedly be upset if he walks.

'Course, some white people were trying to kill Kyle before he even fired a shot, so...

Also, this:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEP3Uq0XoAENv-_?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on November 16, 2021, 12:38:28 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEQ5EL-XMAMOCFz?format=jpg&name=small)

Is this the original condition of the weapon at the time Rittenhouse used it?  There are no sights or optics on this rifle.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 16, 2021, 01:08:11 AM
Is this the original condition of the weapon at the time Rittenhouse used it?  There are no sights or optics on this rifle.

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fthegrio.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F08%2FKyle-Rittenhouse-1-1024x577.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)

His rifle had some sort of optic during the festivities.  Don't know when it was removed.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 16, 2021, 05:51:28 AM
The optic was removed by a detective when the rifle was placed into an evidence box.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 16, 2021, 08:03:31 AM
It looked like a Sightmark red dot to me.
One similar to this one https://www.amazon.com/Sightmark-SM26005-Ultra-M-Spec-Reflex/dp/B00JAE11Z0/ref=sr_1_8?crid=2XFCAWJOQ6PQW&keywords=sightmark+red+dot&qid=1637067756&sprefix=sightmark+red%2Caps%2C172&sr=8-8
Sightmark has several models which use the same housing
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 16, 2021, 08:27:29 AM
Since seeing the carbine in court without the optic I've wondered why would they remove it considering it part of the evidence?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 16, 2021, 08:29:40 AM
Legal Insurrection is not at all impressed with the closing argument delivered by Rittenhouse's lawyers.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-defense-delivers-a-disappointingly-weak-closing-argument/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 16, 2021, 09:33:40 AM
Legal Insurrection is not at all impressed with the closing argument delivered by Rittenhouse's lawyers.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-defense-delivers-a-disappointingly-weak-closing-argument/
I think people liked the defense closing arguments because it was better than what they did during the trial.  Doesn't mean either was good. 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 16, 2021, 09:40:34 AM
I think people liked the defense closing arguments because it was better than what they did during the trial.  Doesn't mean either was good.

Well, and they had a low bar handed to them from the other side. I mean, "everybody takes a beating sometime" is a freebie to the defense.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 16, 2021, 09:42:00 AM
Has the judge ruled on the mistrial motion yet?  I’m guessing he’ll deny it, if he hasn’t already but I had heard for sure.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 16, 2021, 09:50:52 AM
Has the judge ruled on the mistrial motion yet?  I’m guessing he’ll deny it, if he hasn’t already but I had heard for sure.

https://www.cbs58.com/news/motion-for-mistrial-with-prejudice-still-on-the-table-in-rittenhouse-trial

Apparently not.

Kind of sounds like maybe the judge is waiting on the verdict and wants to see an acquittal.  Might be holding onto the motion in case the jury doesn’t acquit.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 16, 2021, 10:01:05 AM
https://www.cbs58.com/news/motion-for-mistrial-with-prejudice-still-on-the-table-in-rittenhouse-trial

Apparently not.

Kind of sounds like maybe the judge is waiting on the verdict and wants to see an acquittal.  Might be holding onto the motion in case the jury doesn’t acquit.

He might want to start carrying an AR-15 if he does that.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Kingcreek on November 16, 2021, 10:13:48 AM
I wasn’t impressed by the judge’s performance. Sometimes he was wishy washy and indecisive.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 16, 2021, 10:15:03 AM
I wasn’t impressed by the judge’s performance. Sometimes he was wishy washy and indecisive.

But he was very quick to call out the prosecutor on a lot of his bullshit.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 16, 2021, 10:26:10 AM
So, if Rittenhouse is acquitted, and I really hope he is...

How many days of riots, looting, and burning are we going to have?

I'm putting it at 4 really solid days, and another 7 of sporadic flare ups.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 16, 2021, 10:36:03 AM
DA FUQ????

Kyle Rittenhouse is shown on a video on Fox news pulling numbered balls out of a spinning mixing cage.

According to the story, he's PICKING THE JURORS who will be alternates, essentially picking his jury.

WTF is that?

It's like something out of the *expletive deleted*ing Hunger Games... Do other states do that?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 16, 2021, 10:47:39 AM
I never heard of that.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 16, 2021, 11:33:07 AM
But Kyle already competed in the Hunger Games.  =D
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 16, 2021, 11:59:29 AM
They made him pull slips of paper out of a tumbler. I watched it. Rekieta Law's livestream said that was bizarre. Strange, but I guess it makes sense.

Edit to add: May the odds forever be in your favor.
or
Choose your fate!
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 16, 2021, 12:06:13 PM
Ah. I just assumed it was numbered balls.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 16, 2021, 12:11:01 PM
But Kyle already competed in the Hunger Games.  =D

And won. And that is what the left is upset about. If he was left dead in the street I highly doubt we would have heard anything about it in the MSM after a couple of days if at all except how a mass murder by a far right extremist was prevented by our three heroes.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 16, 2021, 12:14:57 PM
So, if Rittenhouse is acquitted, and I really hope he is...

How many days of riots, looting, and burning are we going to have?

I'm putting it at 4 really solid days, and another 7 of sporadic flare ups.
I am hoping for a high number.  Eventually, the normies are going to get sick of that stuff. 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ron on November 16, 2021, 12:18:59 PM
The trial has been an absurdity on multiple levels.

The media coverage by and large has been absurd.

 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 16, 2021, 12:48:24 PM
https://babylonbee.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-asked-to-step-outside-and-defend-the-courthouse-while-verdict-is-being-read
(https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-9926-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 16, 2021, 12:52:51 PM
I know he's photoshopped in but is that the actual court house right now with the doors and windows boarded up or is that some other place?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 16, 2021, 01:10:42 PM
That is the courthouse, but the video of protestors outside shows the windows unboarded right now.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 16, 2021, 01:21:36 PM
That is the courthouse, but the video of protestors outside shows the windows unboarded right now.

That might be changing soon.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 16, 2021, 01:22:02 PM
Jury apparently deliberated for 45 minutes then requested copies of the jury instructions, particularly those sections pertaining to self defense.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 16, 2021, 01:54:18 PM
I think it’s looking decently good for Kyle right now.  Impossible to say for sure of course but I’d have to think that asking for the self defense instructions means they’re taking that part seriously.  Which can only be good for Kyle.

I still think a hung jury, or conviction on some lesser included charges has to be at least as likely as full acquittal.  But I’m slightly more hopeful now.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 16, 2021, 02:07:18 PM
Probably at least 2 or 3 on the jury who already had their minds made up before the trial he's a racist far right wing mass murderer and completely zoned themselves out when anything counter to that came up in the trial. I would love to be proven wrong on that.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: HankB on November 16, 2021, 02:18:13 PM
I can see acquittal or a hung jury, but I'm not so sure about lesser charges - there have got to be at least a FEW people on the Kenosha jury who didn't like the unchecked rioting and arson in their home town and have no sympathy at all for the deceased, and they may just dig in their heels as solidly against convicting Kyle of anything as the ones who " . . . already had their minds made up before the trial he's a racist far right wing mass murderer . . . " who needs to be convicted of everything.

But of course, that's just a guess - seasoned court observers and actual legal experts (not just TV personalities) have only limited success in predicting jury outcomes, so I wouldn't place any bets with my own money on what happens.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 16, 2021, 02:37:34 PM
Biggest wildcard here is how much of the jury intimidation business got to the jury and how much it's going to influence them.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 16, 2021, 02:51:19 PM
Tangentially related:  the saga of Jump Kick Man:

https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2021-11-16-the-disturbing-story-of-the-rittenhouse-cases-mysterious-jump-kick-man/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 16, 2021, 03:06:57 PM
Tangentially related:  the saga of Jump Kick Man:

https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2021-11-16-the-disturbing-story-of-the-rittenhouse-cases-mysterious-jump-kick-man/


So, why didn’t they turn that identity over to the defense?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 16, 2021, 03:07:42 PM
https://babylonbee.com/news/prosecutor-proves-how-deadly-ar-15-is-by-accidentally-shooting-7-jurors

(https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-9924-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 16, 2021, 03:09:05 PM
Also on BB

Kenosha Residents Paint Their Doorposts With 'Black Lives Matter' In Preparation For Verdict
https://babylonbee.com/news/kenosha-residents-paint-their-doorposts-with-black-lives-matter-in-preparation-for-verdict
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: HankB on November 16, 2021, 03:51:41 PM
Also on BB

Kenosha Residents Paint Their Doorposts With 'Black Lives Matter' In Preparation For Verdict
https://babylonbee.com/news/kenosha-residents-paint-their-doorposts-with-black-lives-matter-in-preparation-for-verdict
I'm surprised the Babylon Bee didn't write that they were painting it with lamb's blood . . .
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 16, 2021, 04:50:15 PM
I think they said Chic-fil-a sauce in a previous article about a completely different scenario.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 16, 2021, 04:58:50 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEQvq-dXEAQN2DH?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on November 16, 2021, 05:02:14 PM
Doesn’t need to be the bee, numerous riots including Kenosha people put up blm or black owned signs on businesses they boarded up. Turns out they burn the same.


Is the revelation of jump kick man yet another bid to bait a mistrial? Seems like a little fun tidbit of exculpatory info intentionally not shared. Why wasn’t Rittenhouse prosecuted for attempted homicide on JKM? Almost like they didn’t want him in court or something.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 16, 2021, 05:03:30 PM
So we now have 4 heroes of Kenosha.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 16, 2021, 05:07:44 PM
Lots of businesses in Minneapolis tried minority owned or BLM to little or no effect.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 16, 2021, 05:08:46 PM
Marvel writer urges people to burn down the city of Kenosha over Rittenhouse trial verdict
https://thepostmillennial.com/marvel-comics-writer-dylan-park-urged-people-to-burn-down-the-city-of-kenosha

(https://cms.thepostmillennial.com/content/images/2021/11/burnmfer.jpg)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 16, 2021, 05:23:49 PM
Doesn’t need to be the bee, numerous riots including Kenosha people put up blm or black owned signs on businesses they boarded up. Turns out they burn the same.


Is the revelation of jump kick man yet another bid to bait a mistrial? Seems like a little fun tidbit of exculpatory info intentionally not shared. Why wasn’t Rittenhouse prosecuted for attempted homicide on JKM? Almost like they didn’t want him in court or something.

JKM was the reason for the second reckless endangerment charge.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on November 16, 2021, 06:02:03 PM
Unaware, I paid little attention to the lesser charges except to note that the weapon charge was bogus. Still BS, intentionally firing a gun at a specific person with intent to hit them shouldn’t be reckless endangerment. They just didn’t want to identify the guy for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 16, 2021, 06:02:20 PM
Rumors that a US Marshall in Kenosha is saying two jurors are holding up the not guilty verdict because of rioting. I hope the rumor is true. That would be a fast not guilty verdict.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 16, 2021, 06:19:38 PM
Rumors that a US Marshall in Kenosha is saying two jurors are holding up the not guilty verdict because of rioting. I hope the rumor is true. That would be a fast not guilty verdict.

I was already afraid some jurors might be emotionally compromised from the doxxing threats or even just, "one man's innocence is not worth rioting."

I'm wondering if regardless of the law, some jurors might be making an argument to convict on something, even a lesser charge, even if they know he is innocent, just to appease the mob.

Which, sadly, goes back to what DeSelby mentioned above about "don't wind up in front of a jury". The direction that the US is heading continues to strengthen the "lay low in the boonies" argument.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: zxcvbob on November 16, 2021, 06:23:16 PM
My prediction is a hung jury with more voting for acquittal than guilty.  Maybe that's why the judge has not ruled yet on the motion for a mistrial with prejudice; he's keeping it in his back pocket in case the jury can't reach a verdict
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 16, 2021, 06:46:03 PM
We need a full acquittal in this, anything less with the judge calling a mistrial with prejudice will just leave an open wound and fuel even more riots than a full acquittal
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 16, 2021, 06:48:58 PM
Judge explaining that the jury selection tumbler by the defendant has been standard for 20 years.

No decision tonight. Jury to resume 9:00AM
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 16, 2021, 07:01:10 PM
Had a thought.
Putting off the verdict till maybe tomorrow could be a delay to get police and NG in position.
Plus what's the weather forecast for that area tomorrow onwards?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: bedlamite on November 16, 2021, 07:07:04 PM
Had a thought.
Putting off the verdict till maybe tomorrow could be a delay to get police and NG in position.
Plus what's the weather forecast for that area tomorrow onwards?

https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/70415a293a422e063dba8b948fadc1a364a162d34217ac600986baf1e0013821
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: BobR on November 16, 2021, 07:13:29 PM
Had a thought.
Putting off the verdict till maybe tomorrow could be a delay to get police and NG in position.
Plus what's the weather forecast for that area tomorrow onwards?

Maybe they just want another free lunch. When I did jury duty once it was a slam dunk verdict in about 30 seconds but that seemed as though we didn't do any deliberations so as a group we decided to hold off informing them we had a verdict until they fed us one more lunch. The a couple of hours after lunch, but before the traffic picked up we returned our verdict.  =D

bob
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 16, 2021, 07:17:29 PM
Or they just want another free lunch. :rofl:
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: De Selby on November 16, 2021, 08:28:42 PM
I was already afraid some jurors might be emotionally compromised from the doxxing threats or even just, "one man's innocence is not worth rioting."

I'm wondering if regardless of the law, some jurors might be making an argument to convict on something, even a lesser charge, even if they know he is innocent, just to appease the mob.

Which, sadly, goes back to what DeSelby mentioned above about "don't wind up in front of a jury". The direction that the US is heading continues to strengthen the "lay low in the boonies" argument.

Yep - the whole “jury nullification” thing works both ways. And to draw it back to dogmush’s world, at the time of Zimmerman FL copped heat for the SYG law and how it stops cases from going to juries, even though it had no role in Zimmerman’s trial - but a heavily politically charged self defense trial seems to be a textbook example of why you’d want this Pre trial, judge only option for shutting down a prosecution.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 16, 2021, 08:46:16 PM
Rumors that a US Marshall in Kenosha is saying two jurors are holding up the not guilty verdict because of rioting. I hope the rumor is true. That would be a fast not guilty verdict.

No, that would be a hung jury, which is a mistrial.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 16, 2021, 08:49:06 PM
Has anyone posted this link yet? Tucker's take on the trial:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2AbfDlhOyc

If it has been posted, I missed it and I apologize.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on November 16, 2021, 09:06:33 PM
I'm wondering just how many protesters are in front of the courthouse. And how many of them are professional *expletive deleted*it disturbers, and how many of them are ready to get all "peaceful."
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: griz on November 16, 2021, 09:27:05 PM
A legal question:  If the judge rules it's a mistrial with prejudice, can the Feds still charge him?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 16, 2021, 09:31:22 PM
I'm wondering just how many protesters are in front of the courthouse. And how many of them are professional *expletive deleted*it disturbers, and how many of them are ready to get all "peaceful."

What I have been reading in the MSM is all about "far right" groups going there and the potential for violence. What I have seen in images are people holding signs that are decidedly left wing, with slogans that are decidedly not peaceful.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 16, 2021, 09:34:12 PM
Wow, talk about low

‘This RATIO goes HARD!!!’: More supermodels compare looks with Kyle Rittenhouse’s stupid racist mother
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/16/this-ratio-goes-hard-more-supermodels-compare-looks-with-kyle-rittenhouses-stupid-racist-mother/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on November 16, 2021, 09:40:33 PM
How many protesters are in the lynch mob? Or is it just photographic?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 16, 2021, 11:08:53 PM
Tucker Carlson unchained:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89-Qiz8g4Zc
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: JTHunter on November 16, 2021, 11:24:01 PM
There was a news story last night that indicated the Governor had the NG staged about 60 miles away from Kenosha - JIC.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 17, 2021, 12:37:52 AM
A legal question:  If the judge rules it's a mistrial with prejudice, can the Feds still charge him?

The Rodney King cops caught federal charges after the jury in the state level case acquitted them.  A mistrial with prejudice is functionally equivalent to an acquittal.  Legally it might be different, but if anything it would make a federal case easier.  So, aside from the complete miscarriage of justice such a case would represent, and the political backlash that they know won’t happen anyway, what’s to stop them?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: De Selby on November 17, 2021, 01:55:25 AM
A legal question:  If the judge rules it's a mistrial with prejudice, can the Feds still charge him?

Google “separate sovereigns” doctrine
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 17, 2021, 02:41:03 AM
The Rodney King cops caught federal charges after the jury in the state level case acquitted them.  A mistrial with prejudice is functionally equivalent to an acquittal.  Legally it might be different, but if anything it would make a federal case easier.  So, aside from the complete miscarriage of justice such a case would represent, and the political backlash that they know won’t happen anyway, what’s to stop them?

In order for the feds to charge and prosecute him, there has to be a federal law that he broke. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any. All the people he shot were white, and he's white, so they can't claim it was a racial incident or a hate crime.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 17, 2021, 03:44:19 AM
In order for the feds to charge and prosecute him, there has to be a federal law that he broke. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any. All the people he shot were white, and he's white, so they can't claim it was a racial incident or a hate crime.

What federal law did the Rodney King cops break?

They claimed civil rights violations because there weren’t any federal laws broken.  It was case that never should have happened but it did and it set precedent as a result. 

The whites Rittenhouse killed were the good kind. [NPR voice] Clearly [/NPR Voice]. So it can still be a racist hate crime. 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Boomhauer on November 17, 2021, 06:01:43 AM
The Rodney King cops caught federal charges after the jury in the state level case acquitted them.  A mistrial with prejudice is functionally equivalent to an acquittal.  Legally it might be different, but if anything it would make a federal case easier.  So, aside from the complete miscarriage of justice such a case would represent, and the political backlash that they know won’t happen anyway, what’s to stop them?

I’m sure the Biden regime has instructed the feds to file charges as soon as an acquittal or mistrial occurs.

The government will crush you when it wants to crush you using unlimited resources and law and order doesn’t mean a damn thing.

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on November 17, 2021, 06:12:16 AM
I decided that if I was a lower life form I would go after him federally for denial of the deceased first amendment rights, obviously a hate crime because he used terrorism. Lock him in pretrial confinement until the world forgets. Few months of sleep deprivation and sign this and you can be free.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 17, 2021, 07:05:08 AM
In order for the feds to charge and prosecute him, there has to be a federal law that he broke. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any. All the people he shot were white, and he's white, so they can't claim it was a racial incident or a hate crime.

They could still claim civil rights violations. It's been done before when the perp and victim have been the same race.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 17, 2021, 07:53:00 AM
I decided that if I was a lower life form I would go after him federally for denial of the deceased first amendment rights, obviously a hate crime because he used terrorism. Lock him in pretrial confinement until the world forgets. Few months of sleep deprivation and sign this and you can be free.

Look at what they are doing to 06JAN protestors. People are still being held without bail, and I shockingly read recently that some of them have "accidently" been put in situations where they were beaten during their one hour of free time while others have been denied basic needs, like showers.

I never thought I would be in a situation where I had to talk about the United States, the beacon of freedom in the world, as if we were North Korea, but here we are. Thanks deep state.

Lay low and stay under the radar, and don't call the feds.

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gnarlyguides.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F01%2FFirefly-Cast-Image.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ron on November 17, 2021, 08:01:43 AM
I've read that the Jan 6 political prisoners have been told no vaccination = no haircuts, shaving or religious services.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 17, 2021, 08:11:56 AM
In order for the feds to charge and prosecute him, there has to be a federal law that he broke. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any. All the people he shot were white, and he's white, so they can't claim it was a racial incident or a hate crime.

Never underestimate the left's, MSM's, and Fed Govt's ability to twist anything they want, no matter how stupid it may be, into a racist hate crime.

Our unarmed heroes of justice were peacefully protesting for a black justice cause in an unjust racist white supremacist country when a flag waving Trump supporter chased them down and gunned them down in the street. Thus he committed a chargeable racist hate crime against black justice protesters.

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 17, 2021, 08:14:49 AM
Never underestimate the left's, MSM's, and Fed Govt's ability to twist anything they want, no matter how stupid it may be, into a racist hate crime.
Our unarmed heroes of justice were peacefully protesting for a black justice cause in an unjust racist white supremacist country when a flag waving Trump supporter chased them down and gunned them down in the street thus he committed a chargeable racist hate crime against black justice.

They are singing the praises of a violent pedophile as if he were a saint. You don't need to know more than that to see how whacko they are.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 17, 2021, 08:16:49 AM
I expect Biden to announce hate crime charges are to be filed and tax payer money to be coming soon to the families of the fallen heroes and the lone survivor of this attack no matter the jury's decision.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 17, 2021, 08:22:21 AM
This is only hearsay, but I have read stuff by this guy before, and he seems to generally post reliable information:

Quote
Jacek Posobiec 🇺🇸🇵🇱
@JackPosobiec
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14h
Two jurors holding decision up, outright citing backlash, per US Marshal in Kenosha

I am just now listening to the news and they said that the protestors have been so loud that they can be clearly heard inside the building. I'm unsure if the jurors are sequestered there or elsewhere, but if there, and they are hearing those violent threats, the above quote seems quite plausible.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: griz on November 17, 2021, 08:57:32 AM
The Rodney King cops caught federal charges after the jury in the state level case acquitted them.  A mistrial with prejudice is functionally equivalent to an acquittal.  Legally it might be different, but if anything it would make a federal case easier.  So, aside from the complete miscarriage of justice such a case would represent, and the political backlash that they know won’t happen anyway, what’s to stop them?

Yea, I should have thought of that.  Also the Feds were ready to arrest the officer that kneeled on Floyd's neck if he was acquitted.  So I would guess some depravation of civil rights charge because of the penumbra of race.  Strange that we have come to that and still call it law.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 17, 2021, 09:08:34 AM
Lucy! you got some splainin to do

SIREN: Rittenhouse lawyers file motion for a ‘mistrial with prejudice’ after catching prosecutors withholding video evidence
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/11/17/siren-rittenhouse-lawyers-file-motion-for-a-mistrial-with-prejudice-after-catching-prosecutors-withholding-video-evidence/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 17, 2021, 09:09:59 AM

SIREN: Rittenhouse lawyers file motion for a ‘mistrial with prejudice’ after catching prosecutors withholding video evidence
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/11/17/siren-rittenhouse-lawyers-file-motion-for-a-mistrial-with-prejudice-after-catching-prosecutors-withholding-video-evidence/

I was just about to post that. I don't know how accurate that is, but given what we've seen from these prosecutors, I'd buy it.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 17, 2021, 09:22:29 AM
Very interesting.

I wonder if Binger went to the same lawschool that Mike Nifong attended...

It would explain a lot.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DittoHead on November 17, 2021, 09:23:19 AM
Quote from: Rittenhouse lawyers file motion for a ‘mistrial with prejudice’ after catching prosecutors withholding video evidence
Pros. sent a compressed version of the drone video to defense, when they had the full resolution
Lots of issues with image resolution in this trial.
Quote from: https://www.usnews.com/news/technology/articles/2021-11-11/blow-up-at-rittenhouse-trial-over-enlarging-photos-and-video
Assistant District Attorney James Kraus accused defense attorneys of making a dishonest argument because the enlarged footage “shows their client is lying.” The defense team's hired video analyst used similar software to enlarge video footage during his testimony earlier Thursday, Kraus noted.

“All due respect to Your Honor, I think the defense is trying to take advantage of your lack of knowledge about technology which you’ve expressed,” Kraus said.

Schroeder’s confusion with the technical details was obvious in court. Earlier in the week, he questioned whether using the pinch-and-zoom feature on an iPad would alter an image and barred prosecutors from using that while presenting video evidence to jurors.

“I totally agree with your comment about my lack of familiarity with these concepts, although logic, I have some logical skills,” he said on Thursday. “This is a difficult concept for me, yes.”
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 17, 2021, 09:27:55 AM
99% sure we're either going to have an acquittal or a mistrial with prejudice.
The latter while good will only inflame the left even more than the former and I wouldn't be surprise if hits are called for on the judge by many on the left followed by the Biden admin filing charges with many in congress cheering it on to score PC points.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 17, 2021, 09:44:12 AM
Lots of issues with image resolution in this trial.
Honestly I never considered whether the iPhone video zoom would use interpolation.  I wouldn't have assumed that it does, but I don't know that for a fact.  I know phones do tons of post-processing of photos and videos they record to get a better image out of the limited camera capabilities so I don't see why they couldn't upscale a video on playback.  However, assuming the defense were given a low resolution video presented to them as the full video, I could also see them considering the higher resolution video shown by the prosecution as likely having been upscaled.

The defense also objected to using a 4k TV for playing 1080P video as many high resolution TVs are capable of doing upscaling via interpolation.  That is also true, however I don't know if the TV in question was set up to do that.

Ultimately, though, I never saw anything in any of the video or stills they claim clearly demonstrates that Rittenhouse pointed his gun at the Zaminskis.  Do you?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 17, 2021, 09:49:07 AM
99% sure we're either going to have an acquittal or a mistrial with prejudice.
The latter while good will only inflame the left even more than the former and I wouldn't be surprise if hits are called for on the judge by many on the left followed by the Biden admin filing charges with many in congress cheering it on to score PC points.

The only logical reason for the judge to hold back on ruling on the mistrial motions is to let the jury acquit Rittenhouse, and only make the rulings if the hang or convict. 

Those persecutors need to be removed from their jobs and barred from ever working in law again.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: HankB on November 17, 2021, 09:59:16 AM
I know the Feds filed civil rights charges against the cops in the Rodney King incident, and were prepared to do the same in the George Floyd incident - many thought that this violated the Constitution's prohibition against double jeopardy, but the contrary view prevailed. But note - in each case, the Federal civil rights charges were targeting  government employees who were alleged to have violated a person's civil rights under color of law. IANAL, but I don't see much of an opening for similar charges against Kyle - unless they just decide to proceed anyway with bogus charges based on the unspoken premise that "the process is the punishment." (The Feds were involved in the George Zimmerman case as investigators, but note, no federal charges were actually filed after Zimmerman's acquittal.)

As far as the yahoos outside the courthouse, the news report I saw said there were both "protestors" and "counter-protestors" out in front, but the newsies made no attempt to interview any or give an idea of the relative size of the two groups.

I still don't see that every person on a Kenosha jury will vote to convict Kyle of anything since even the prosecutor said the perps were involved in the rioting that destroyed a good part of their home town. But it only takes one person who either loves antifa/blm, hates guns, or is intimidated by the protestors to dig in their heels as a lone voice for conviction and hang the jury.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 17, 2021, 10:09:10 AM
So if I got this right.
What they're saying is the prosecution took a clear(er) high res video, made a compressed lower res copy or at the very least withheld the higher res ver, then "enhanced" the low res compressed ver, then showed the jury the "enhanced" version and then basically told the jury what they were seeing in the glob of pixels.
Right?

Image recording by it's very nature creates image artifacts, compressing it creates more image artifacts, then "Enhancing" creates even more image artifacts on top of that.
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 17, 2021, 10:33:10 AM
Find a jpeg with small details. Lets call it Photo A
Resize it to half, save as Photo B. Note every time you save a jpeg, which is a compressed format, the image is recompressed* thus losing detail each time.
Then resize it back.
Zoom in on small tiny details and compare both.

*Many programs allow you to adjust how much compression is applied when saving.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 17, 2021, 10:35:39 AM
Find a jpeg with small details. Lets call it Photo A
Resize it to half, save as Photo B. Note every time you save a jpeg, which is a compressed format, the image is recompressed thus losing detail each time.
Then resize it back.
Zoom in on small tiny details and compare both.


Oddly enough, exactly what I've spent my morning doing... grabbing screen captures using Snipit, saving them as pictures, and importing them into documents I'm working on.

Depending on how I save it, the image suffers. A lot.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 17, 2021, 10:40:13 AM
(https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/mrz111721dAPR20211117064505.jpg)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 17, 2021, 10:42:55 AM
Every time you save an image in the jpeg format, or any other compressed format jpeg is just the most common, you lose detail and create artifacts.
And many may not realize many video formats are just still jpeg images in series similar to how movie film works.
That why it's best if photoshopping your photos to start from the original if possible if you want the best possible quality.
The way around that is to save in an uncompressed format such as RAW but they're huge. Many cameras will allow you shoot in RAW rather than jpeg or even both at the same time.


Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 17, 2021, 10:58:58 AM
So if I got this right.
What they're saying is the prosecution took a clear(er) high res video, made a compressed lower res copy or at the very least withheld the higher res ver, then "enhanced" the low res compressed ver, then showed the jury the "enhanced" version and then basically told the jury what they were seeing in the glob of pixels.
Right?
My understanding is that the prosecution got the high res version in the middle of the trial (from the proverbial "evidence fairy"), and shared a low resolution version with the defense.  This was discovered when the defense had their laptop plugged in and the prosecution asked them to play the video.  When they played it the prosecution said it was too low resolution to see what they wanted to show, and the defense said "Well, that's what you gave us ...."

The version the prosecution claims to have enhanced is the high res version, but even at that all they had was a glob of pixels and they told the jury what it showed.  I did not see what they claimed from what they showed.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 17, 2021, 11:15:15 AM
I just read that the defense has filed a second motion to dismiss with prejudice, based on the prosecution's failure to turn over the high-res version of the drone video.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 17, 2021, 11:28:54 AM
I am still loving the memes

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEUixGZXIAEXTZA?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEXvnFLXoAEZ6lh?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 17, 2021, 11:38:48 AM
Hocus pocus out of focus

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEP4SnuWQAAH1X0?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEP4SnuWYAMUcSX?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Boomhauer on November 17, 2021, 11:44:42 AM
(https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/mrz111721dAPR20211117064505.jpg)


That would make trials a lot more interesting if juries could pull a Uno reversal card and convict an idiot prosecutor of the crime they accuse the defendant of
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 17, 2021, 11:45:27 AM
What exactly are we looking at there, Dustin?

Its that just an example of the clarity issues, or is that actually from the videos in question?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 17, 2021, 11:47:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aINa6tg3fo
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 17, 2021, 11:52:59 AM
Those are from the prosecutors version and from the version the prosecutor gave to the defense.

Edit: Defense is live now in court, they didn't even get the full video length. This could point to intentional screwing around. You can't accidently give someone a cut copy.

That is the basis for the most recent motion to dismiss with prejudice.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 17, 2021, 11:55:00 AM
So I'm assuming the jury was only shown the blurry one and the prosecutor told them what they were seeing?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Boomhauer on November 17, 2021, 11:57:38 AM
So I'm assuming the jury saw the only the blurry one?

Sounds like it and sounds like the prosecution made sure of that.

To me that should at the very least get a mistrial with prejudice and also in a just world would mean the prosecution team should all be out of jobs and ideally in jail for attempting to use falsified evidence to make their case. Absolute scumbags.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Nick1911 on November 17, 2021, 12:04:42 PM
Sounds like it and sounds like the prosecution made sure of that.

To me that should at the very least get a mistrial with prejudice and also in a just world would mean the prosecution team should all be out of jobs and ideally in jail for attempting to use falsified evidence to make their case. Absolute scumbags.

I agree that this should be grounds for a mistrial.  Further - at a minimum, prosecution team should be fired, and the state bar should suspend their licenses pending investigation of misconduct.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 17, 2021, 12:19:14 PM
82.5k people are watching the Rekieta Law live coverage of the trial right now despite this being day two of deliberations.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 17, 2021, 12:56:36 PM
So I'm assuming the jury was only shown the blurry one and the prosecutor told them what they were seeing?
Not as I understand it.  The defense got the blurry one and I'm guessing they didn't see anything in it.  The prosecution showed the jury the full resolution version, but even in that version it took their tech working overtime to come up with a blurry mess that they claim is Rittenhouse pointing his gun at the guy who would later fire the first shot in the exchange.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: HankB on November 17, 2021, 01:19:36 PM
I am NOT an image enhancement expert, but I've messed around with those sort of programs just enough to distrust ANY manipulated/enhanced photos other than - maybe! - NASA's astronomical stuff.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 17, 2021, 01:31:14 PM
Apparently the judge has slammed the media for "grossly irresponsible handling" of the trial.

Interesting.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 17, 2021, 01:38:48 PM
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7vub41 29:15 the drone footage in high res has been out forever. It appearing that late in the trial is because the prosecutor was trying to change tactics.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 17, 2021, 01:52:22 PM
Was Binger ever seen on the set of "Rust"?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 17, 2021, 02:00:37 PM
Prosecution is now claiming "OMG, they got a compressed version?  It must have happened because they had an Android phone isntead of an iPhone!  We had no idea about how all these technology doohickies work!"
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 17, 2021, 02:01:50 PM
"If I knew how to change resolution or how any of that works I would have a much better job." - near quote by the bigger prosecutor.

"Technical wizardry!"

There is no way for us to know these things. (I guess file size is rocket surgery)

Defense lady: "4 milibyte(sic) file"

Defense lady destroying ADA.

Judge: High risk strategy for the state, queasy about it.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 17, 2021, 02:06:38 PM
Prosecution is now claiming "OMG, they got a compressed version?  It must have happened because they had an Android phone isntead of an iPhone!  We had no idea about how all these technology doohickies work!"

So, they're claiming it was a good faith error.

I wonder how that's going to play out with the judge given all of their bad faith missteps during the trial.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 17, 2021, 02:07:42 PM
Deliberate prosecutorial misconduct by the prosecution team. Every damn one of them need to go to jail for the same length of sentence they are trying to inflict on Rittenhouse.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 17, 2021, 02:20:46 PM
Frankly, whatever the malfeasance on behalf of the prosecution, if this gets dismissed because of how the prosecution handled this video it would be a cheap win on a technicality.  Even the most enhanced version of the high resolution video doesn't convince me of what the prosecution is trying to sell.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on November 17, 2021, 02:45:00 PM
82.5k people are watching the Rekieta Law live coverage of the trial right now despite this being day two of deliberations.

So more than cnn prime time then.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 17, 2021, 02:47:24 PM
It was 120k a few minutes ago when the the trial was live. A bit less than 100k now.

The theory on the Rekieta Law podcast group chat is the prosecution is trying to help its few assumed hold outs hang the jury.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 17, 2021, 03:19:59 PM
I would call this a clown show but I don't hate clowns that much
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 17, 2021, 03:20:24 PM
Kyle and his lawyers calling for a normal mistrial.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 17, 2021, 03:31:54 PM
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7vub41 29:15 the drone footage in high res has been out forever. It appearing that late in the trial is because the prosecutor was trying to change tactics.
The defense mentioned earlier during the argument that they tried to get the drone footage, but either were not able to get it or got something different.  Then the one defense lady said the file name they were initially given was different from the high resolution version they got later plus the file creation times were different.  IMO, either the prosecution was very sloppy in handling evidence copies or deliberately turned over an adjusted copy.  Could they have messed up and turned over the wrong file?  Maybe. 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 17, 2021, 03:56:48 PM
Judge threatened to put the prosecutor under oath to answer questions.

Video stills shows the prosecutor has a copy of handbrake (video editor) on his computer. Prosecutor claims he couldn't have edited anything and doesn't understand anything.

---

Rekieta Media
@RekietaMedia

Krause is filibustering like he's trying to keep the all you can eat buffet open past closing.

"The defense's expert MUST HAVE MISSED that we sent them a lower resolution video..."  ADA Krause.


---

Jury retired for the day, resume 9:00AM central time tomorrow.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 17, 2021, 05:42:06 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEbQkY8XEAkvGxO?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 17, 2021, 06:03:26 PM
I had been of the opinion that ADA Binger should be disbarred. I have retracted that opinion. I now think he should be publicly drawn and quartered. The man is a disgrace to the legal profession. In fact, he's a disgrace to the human race.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 17, 2021, 06:06:48 PM
Some minor violence outside the courthouse. Some arrests of BLM people.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 17, 2021, 06:50:21 PM
I had been of the opinion that ADA Binger should be disbarred. I have retracted that opinion. I now think he should be publicly drawn and quartered. The man is a disgrace to the legal profession. In fact, he's a disgrace to the human race.

He's probably at this very moment negotiating a multi million $ book deal and getting his run for congress ready where he'll fit right in. Netflix already has in the works a movie of his life story.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on November 17, 2021, 07:11:24 PM
Just how many protesters have been outside that facility?
 
Because I saw one video that looked to _maybe_ have a couple of dozen at the most.
 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Boomhauer on November 17, 2021, 07:12:24 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEbQkY8XEAkvGxO?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Somebody is in need of a neck stretching
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 17, 2021, 08:22:17 PM
A lot of people want this hat that Julio Rosas spotted outside the Kenosha County Courthouse
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/17/a-lot-of-people-want-this-hat-that-julio-rosas-spotted-outside-the-kenosha-county-courthouse/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEWCJGpWQAs6Xq-?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Calumus on November 17, 2021, 08:42:03 PM
If the defense lawyers weren’t the next closest thing to useless they’d have someone monitoring the Rekieta law stream. No fewer that five attorneys at any time talking about strategies and motions and objections that should be made. Between withholding evidence, commenting on Kyle’s exercising his fifth amendment right, mentioning other evidence that the judge excluded this should be a mistrial and the prosecutors should be up for review. Defense motioned for a mistrial with prejudice last night, then asked for one without today. They’re just floundering around in a case that should be a slam dunk. It’s arguably the most videoed self defense in history.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 17, 2021, 08:47:47 PM
In the video, I literally heard, "I din do nuffin!" Sounds like things are going swimmingly.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/17/things-get-tense-outside-the-kenosha-county-courthouse-multiple-arrests-made/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 17, 2021, 09:44:58 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEcIOmiXsAI_CqV?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: JTHunter on November 17, 2021, 10:30:51 PM
That would make trials a lot more interesting if juries could pull a Uno reversal card and convict an idiot prosecutor of the crime they accuse the defendant of

No, not the same crime but the "crime" of incompetence, malfeasance, and/or fraud.  >:D
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 17, 2021, 10:56:56 PM
That would make trials a lot more interesting if juries could pull a Uno reversal card and convict an idiot prosecutor of the crime they accuse the defendant of

I assume you mean pointing the "murder" weapon at people. Not only is it one of the things they accuse Kyle of, it's also much worse than anything he actually did.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on November 17, 2021, 11:06:42 PM
So a lot of us think that the reaction will be muted. What if it isn't? The media has a lot of sunk costs to protect. Besides, if we forget this we then look at the mistrial that is their five years of Russiahoax. Or Ghislaine Maxwell. Or how awesome DC is doing. So there is the usual peaceful arson. Someone responds. The response and the trial is the pretext for a massive fed push on militias as well as a power grab at the courts since they decide wrong. This mess has a really really low chance of sparking a civil war. But it's not zero.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 18, 2021, 12:17:05 AM
Judge threatened to put the prosecutor under oath to answer questions.

Video stills shows the prosecutor has a copy of handbrake (video editor) on his computer. Prosecutor claims he couldn't have edited anything and doesn't understand anything.

---

Rekieta Media
@RekietaMedia

Krause is filibustering like he's trying to keep the all you can eat buffet open past closing.

"The defense's expert MUST HAVE MISSED that we sent them a lower resolution video..."  ADA Krause.


---

Jury retired for the day, resume 9:00AM central time tomorrow.
The Rekieta law guys commented on the fillibustering that it seemed the longer he talked the more the judge softened about mistrial stuff.  The defense didn't seem to press for mistrial or even act all that upset about the issues.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RocketMan on November 18, 2021, 08:55:14 AM
The Rittenhouse trial is no longer the lead story on the Fox News website.  Hasn't been for two days now.
Their coverage had been non-stop breathless for several days with multiple leads and rolling updates.

With regard to the defense team seemingly dropping the ball, I wonder if they aren't getting a little tired of the whole thing.  Are they working pro bono like Lin Wood was before he dropped out?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: griz on November 18, 2021, 09:04:57 AM
The Rittenhouse trial is no longer the lead story on the Fox News website.  Hasn't been for two days now.
Their coverage had been non-stop breathless for several days with multiple leads and rolling updates.


Hard to be breathless when covering deliberation.  When the verdict is announced they, and everybody else, will rush to tell you and claim they were the first to do so.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 18, 2021, 09:15:21 AM
The Rittenhouse trial is no longer the lead story on the Fox News website. 

I noticed that this morning as well. It's almost like a faucet being turned off. I held my nose and went to CNN and a few other MSM sites as well, and the same thing. Curious.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 18, 2021, 09:25:57 AM
Probably would be best for all involved if every media outlet took it off their front page but I'm not holding my breath on that happening at CNN, MSNBC etc....
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 18, 2021, 09:34:57 AM
I noticed that this morning as well. It's almost like a faucet being turned off. I held my nose and went to CNN and a few other MSM sites as well, and the same thing. Curious.

Not curious at all.

What do you expect?


RITTENHOUSE JURY DELIBERATIONS DAY 3 -- THEY'RE STILL SITTING IN A ROOM!


When something happens, it will go back above the electronic fold.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 18, 2021, 09:39:42 AM

When something happens, it will go back above the electronic fold.

When it's time to riot and loot they'll let you know.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 18, 2021, 09:44:07 AM
Not curious at all.

What do you expect?

Except while the jury has been sitting in the room, the MSM has been focusing on protestors congregating and almost gleefully talking about the potential for violence. AFAIK, the protestors are still there and crowds are growing, but suddenly it's off the "leads and bleeds" sections of the MSM websites.

If they are dropping coverage to reduce giving publicity and not egging on the potential violence, good on them, but they have in the past not shown such restraint.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 18, 2021, 10:08:24 AM
So, you're promoting MSNBC to the top of the journalistic heap because they're reporting... minor protests... as if the entire state of Wisconsin is ablaze and Rittenhouse is swinging from a tree in the Kenosha town square?

"If they are dropping coverage to reduce giving publicity and not egging on the potential violence, good on them, but they have in the past not shown such restraint."

They, and other news outlets, are dropping coverage because there are actually other stories going on in the world.

I know, it's hard to comprehend, because the whole outcome of the arc of Western Civilization hinges on whether Kyle Rittenhouse goes free or goes to prison... I mean, that's such a huge story that the verified Second Coming of Jesus shouldn't push it off the top of the electronic fold...

 ;/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on November 18, 2021, 10:23:44 AM
You’re talking about a news organization that kept Gabby  Petito as a headline for four weeks.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 18, 2021, 10:23:52 AM
I know, it's hard to comprehend, because the whole outcome of the arc of Western Civilization hinges on whether Kyle Rittenhouse goes free or goes to prison... I mean, that's such a huge story that the verified Second Coming of Jesus shouldn't push it off the top of the electronic fold...

 ;/

Yes, bigger things in the world should push it off the top of the page. My point was that in the past, similar stories haven not been pushed off the front of the page, and have been "overpromoted" in spite of bigger things going on. Suddenly (vs gradually), all the MSM outlets drop it at the same time, when yesterday they were showing videos of protestor fights and talking the burning of Kenosha. So yes, curious.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 18, 2021, 12:10:45 PM
In the video, I literally heard, "I din do nuffin!" Sounds like things are going swimmingly.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/17/things-get-tense-outside-the-kenosha-county-courthouse-multiple-arrests-made/

https://www.foxnews.com/us/anti-rittenhouse-protestor-body-slams-reporter-arrested-battery

Unsurprisingly, the suspect who body-slammed a reporter was already on bail for some other offense.  He's facing felony bail-jumping and battery, among other charges.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on November 18, 2021, 12:14:48 PM
Hung jury for sure now, how else could you talk so long?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on November 18, 2021, 12:19:29 PM
Hung jury for sure now, how else could you talk so long?

Hung jury, mistrial, mistrial with prejudice... I don't really care.  The big thing I really care about is the prosecution being held accountable for their bullshit in this trial.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 18, 2021, 12:29:11 PM
Ah mah gerds! Above the fold! It's above the fold!

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 18, 2021, 12:29:41 PM
Hung jury, mistrial, mistrial with prejudice... I don't really care.  The big thing I really care about is the prosecution being held accountable for their bullshit in this trial.

Take your pick

1) The prosecutor knows Kyle is innocent and went over the top to trigger a mistrial
2) The prosecutor feels he has to do whatever it takes to convict no matter stupid some of it may appear or they're (you know who) going to burn down his house and/or kill him.
3) He's a moron. I am reminded by how many total morons in congress were/are lawyers.
4) He's a dirt bag. The congress thingy applies here as well.
5) He's a moron and a dirt bag
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on November 18, 2021, 12:30:45 PM
Why not both all four?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 18, 2021, 12:31:34 PM
MSNBC banned from court building after someone claiming to be a reporter for them was harassing the jury bus. Ran a red light to chase the bus down and was filming.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 18, 2021, 12:31:54 PM
Why not both all four?

I slipped in a fifth
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 18, 2021, 12:46:43 PM
MSNBC banned from court building after someone claiming to be a reporter for them was harassing the jury bus. Ran a red light to chase the bus down and was filming.

Sweet....

My guess is that they'll file a writ to have that ruling overturned by the end of the day.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 18, 2021, 12:47:54 PM
I slipped in a fifth
4 out of 5 will still work.   =)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 18, 2021, 12:49:20 PM
And be sure to swing by and check out the MSNBC home page...

They are still DEEP in the throes of Trump Derangement Syndrome...
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 18, 2021, 01:30:23 PM
Says he was instructed to follow the jury bus.

Quote
    Schroeder said the man who identified himself as "James J. Morrison," a producer with @MSNBC said was instructed by "Irene Byon"

    A quick search of her name shows she's a booking producer with @NBCNews

    — Andrew Havranek (@Andrew_Havranek) November 18, 2021

But

Quote
    Judge Schroeder is going to make a statement this morning about an arrest being made by Kenosha PD after a #KyleRitthenhouse juror/jurors were followed by someone who claimed to work for NBC or MSNBC. Those outlets apparently say the person does not work for them @LawCrimeNetwork

    — Angenette Levy (@Angenette5) November 18, 2021
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/18/an-extremely-serious-matter-judge-bruce-schroeder-says-purported-nbc-news-producer-followed-rittenhouse-juror-bus-bars-nbc-msnbc-from-courtroom-video/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RocketMan on November 18, 2021, 01:33:01 PM
Ah mah gerds! Above the fold! It's above the fold!

 :rofl:

I see that.  I am disappoint.  It's got to be some kind of plot, I tells ya'!   [tinfoil]   :P

Seriously, I just thought it was curious how the coverage had been deemphasized when they had so been breathless before, even after deliberations had started.

edit to fix buggered up grammmmerz
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 18, 2021, 01:39:09 PM
MSNBC banned from court building after someone claiming to be a reporter for them was harassing the jury bus. Ran a red light to chase the bus down and was filming.

A little more detail:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/rittenhouse-judge-bans-msnbc-from-courtroom-after-person-accused-of-trailing-jury-bus/ar-AAQRJoP

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: K Frame on November 18, 2021, 01:41:51 PM
" they had so breathless before"

They obviously ran out of breath!
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RocketMan on November 18, 2021, 01:46:17 PM
" they had so breathless before"

They obviously ran out of breath!

That could explain it.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 18, 2021, 01:58:32 PM
After Kraus admits their version is better he tries to make excuses. Afterwards its a huge excuse train. Kraus blames a list of other people.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEe98OGUUA47oq_?format=png&name=small)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 18, 2021, 02:49:12 PM
Nothing to see here because it's totally normal for reporters to do this.
Well so is murder for some people.

Quote
    Perspective: Court TV correspondent who knows James J. Morrison just said a reporter following a jury bus is a long-standing practice by news outlets in big trials to get info on juror panel so news outlets can reach out to jurors quickly after verdict. "Happens all the time."

    — Steve Lookner (@lookner) November 18, 2021
Quote
    Court TV correspondent says he doesn't want to defend the practice, and acknowledges some people might think it's despicable. Says when a reporter follows a jury bus they're looking for the jurors' license plates so they can get their contact info to contact them after verdict.

    — Steve Lookner (@lookner) November 18, 2021
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/18/happens-all-the-time-purported-court-tv-correspondent-says-its-totally-normal-for-reporters-to-follow-jury-buses-to-get-their-license-plate-numbers/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 18, 2021, 04:16:14 PM
https://babylonbee.com/news/doh-here-are-8-critical-errors-made-by-the-rittenhouse-prosecutors

https://babylonbee.com/news/every-man-in-america-except-kyle-rittenhouse-found-guilty-of-not-showing-up-to-kenosha-to-defend-their-fellow-americans

https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-sends-border-patrol-horses-to-wisconsin-to-prevent-people-from-crossing-state-lines
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 18, 2021, 08:06:52 PM
Looks like everyone involved in the bus chase are trying to cover their tracks

Journo Who Ordered Doxxing Of Jurors In Kyle Rittenhouse Case On The Run!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71g-48BBjHw
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: bedlamite on November 18, 2021, 08:40:53 PM
(https://i.redd.it/mru6s30ojf081.png)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Pb on November 18, 2021, 10:29:39 PM
(https://i.redd.it/mru6s30ojf081.png)

No.  Not in my adult lifetime, anyway.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 18, 2021, 10:37:26 PM
Fits a pattern

Quote
One of the two protesters arrested outside the Kenosha courthouse – the man seen wearing a "F*** Kyle" t-shirt as officers took him into custody – is facing charges related to bail jumping, meaning he has a prior criminal record, Fox News Digital has learned.

Anti-Rittenhouse protestor body-slams reporter outside Kenosha courthouse, arrested for battery
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/anti-rittenhouse-protestor-body-slams-reporter-outside-kenosha-courthouse-arrested-for-battery/ar-AAQRGg7?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: bedlamite on November 19, 2021, 07:39:09 AM
No.  Not in my adult lifetime, anyway.

That's part of the meme.  :facepalm:

This should really be another topic, but once again the left has hijacked the term and changed its meaning.

https://www.thoughtco.com/classical-liberalism-definition-4774941

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DittoHead on November 19, 2021, 11:20:11 AM
Maybe it's just because there's nothing else going on with the case at the moment, but a lot of people taking issue with this:
Quote from: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/rittenhouse-judge-lets-jurors-go-home-with-the-jury-instructions
In the Kyle Rittenhouse murder trial, Judge Schroeder granted the request of “a female juror” to bring home a full set of the court’s instructions on the law when he once again ended the trial day before dusk on the third day of deliberations.
..
A good judge would have either sent the jurors out of the room or taken the lawyers to a sidebar where the request could be discussed without the jurors being apprised of which side was objecting and why. (For that matter, a good judge would not have needed input from the lawyers to understand why a request of this sort should be politely denied.) Schroeder, by contrast, pondered the matter in his ponderous way and foolishly agreed to the request without asking for counsels’ positions.
..
That is, Schroeder first made the bad decision and only then made a record about why it was a bad decision. When he noted the defense lawyers’ apparent but muted disapproval when the juror made the request, Mark Richards, one of Rittenhouse’s attorneys, opined that the jurors might do an Internet research on the instructions.
..
The proper objection would have been that the jury is supposed to deliberate as a jury.

While I agree with the later points he makes about keeping them longer or sequestering them, taking the instructions doesn't seem unreasonable. Are you really not supposed to even think about a case without the rest of the jury being present? Maybe it's because I've never been on a jury, but it just doesn't seem like a big deal.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: bedlamite on November 19, 2021, 12:03:00 PM
(https://i.redd.it/y31v2gbnxf081.png)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on November 19, 2021, 12:15:00 PM
Verdict comes today while Kamala is President . Dark green helicopters everywhere.....  [tinfoil] I get my foil at Costco, got plenty
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Nick1911 on November 19, 2021, 12:21:02 PM
Maybe it's just because there's nothing else going on with the case at the moment, but a lot of people taking issue with this:
While I agree with the later points he makes about keeping them longer or sequestering them, taking the instructions doesn't seem unreasonable. Are you really not supposed to even think about a case without the rest of the jury being present? Maybe it's because I've never been on a jury, but it just doesn't seem like a big deal.

If anything, I think I'd argue the opposite.  Justice is probably best served if, after discussing matters with other jurors, each member was able to take some time alone to think about it and process the situation for themselves.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on November 19, 2021, 12:23:36 PM
Correia has a post that jurors mentioned the media coverage when entering the court today. So much for not watching the news.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 19, 2021, 12:47:02 PM
Drop kick man fully identified with identity released. Said he offered to testify for the prosecution, prosecutors claimed they never spoke to him and didn't know who he was.

Video of Kyle and car lot owners surfaces, goes against the prosecutor's claim.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 19, 2021, 01:08:50 PM
##  Verdict in, about to be read  ##


Not guilty!!
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 19, 2021, 01:14:25 PM
Not guilty across the board.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 01:16:26 PM
Let the festivities begin!
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Fly320s on November 19, 2021, 01:17:29 PM
Let the festivities begin!

You mean, "peaceful demonstrations."

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 01:18:29 PM
You mean, "peaceful demonstrations."

Potato Potatoe
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 19, 2021, 01:19:51 PM
Let the festivities begin!

Yup.  Some folks will be getting a head start on their Christmas shopping.


Also, let the defamation lawsuits begin.  There is a long list of potential defendants.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 01:24:21 PM
Quote
We can’t even begin to imagine how Kyle Rittenhouse is feeling right now.

But one thing’s for sure:

    I hope Wisconsin has terrible weather this weekend.

    — Noam Blum (@neontaster) November 19, 2021
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/19/breaking-kyle-rittenhouse-found-not-guilty-on-all-counts/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 01:29:49 PM
I have almost no doubt Biden and members of congress will be characterizing this as a miscarriage of justice and federal hate crime charges are filed.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 19, 2021, 01:31:19 PM
Wow! I was expecting at least some not guilty verdicts on some stuff, but really was afraid they were still going to pop him on some lesser charge (even though he wasn't guilty) to attempt to appease the mob. Good for Kyle.

Good on this jury. I feel bad for them now though - they will definitely need some protection for a while, and I hope they don't end up getting fired from jobs or other cancel culture stuff.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 01:33:22 PM
MSNBC and CNN printed their addresses yet?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 19, 2021, 01:34:43 PM
Took freaking long enough!!
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ron on November 19, 2021, 01:41:59 PM
Pleasantly surprised.

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 19, 2021, 01:45:09 PM
I am absolutely gob smacked. Very glad to see almost actual "justice" for a change. Actual justice would have happened if his acts would have been recognized as the self defense they were and he had not been charged in the first place.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 19, 2021, 01:49:14 PM
Hopefully the feds will not charge him and escalate the persecution.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MillCreek on November 19, 2021, 01:53:27 PM
I am surprised: I thought it would be a mixed bag of not guilty on the major charges and guilty on the lesser ones (counts 2 and 3).
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Kingcreek on November 19, 2021, 01:54:48 PM
I’m in downtown Chicago until Sunday morning. Police all over in groups of 4-8. So far, the natives are calm. Tomorrow night is the big holiday parade on Michigan ave and the streets will be packed. I will be sequestered with a bottle of wine and watching from the 25th floor of the Marriott
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 01:59:53 PM
Rats usually come out at night
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 19, 2021, 02:00:41 PM
Jen Psaki, as a representative of the White House, calls for "peaceful protests" for the US legal process doing what it was supposed to do, because the White House doesn't like the result.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/19/before-kyle-rittenhouse-was-declared-not-guilty-jen-psaki-said-wh-called-for-peaceful-protests-so-what-happens-now/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 19, 2021, 02:08:47 PM
A black acquaintance of mine has a funny take on Rittenhouse and self defense.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 19, 2021, 02:09:53 PM
So, much like when Trump at his Jan 6th rally told everyone to be peaceful Biden should now be held personally responsible for any rioting after the Rittenhouse verdict.
I'm also concerned that this may signal impending federal intervention in the case.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: zxcvbob on November 19, 2021, 02:22:49 PM
So, much like when Trump at his Jan 6th rally told everyone to be peaceful Biden should now be held personally responsible for any rioting after the Rittenhouse verdict.
I'm also concerned that this may signal impending federal intervention in the case.

I can't think of anything federal they could go after him for, except maybe firearm straw purchase.  Even though he Crossed State Lines™, he didn't do so for any unlawful purpose so what difference does it make (Mann Act?)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RocketMan on November 19, 2021, 02:24:15 PM
I can't think of anything federal they could go after him for, except maybe firearm straw purchase.  Even though he Crossed State Lines™, he didn't do so for any unlawful purpose so what difference does it make (Mann Act?)

They will find something, even if they have to make it up out of whole cloth.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 19, 2021, 02:27:41 PM
https://babylonbee.com/news/communist-rioters-scream-and-run-away-in-terror-as-rittenhouse-emerges-from-courthouse

(https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-9956-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 19, 2021, 02:28:22 PM
And the ACLU has weighed in:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/19/aclu-paints-kyle-rittenhouse-not-guilty-verdict-as-a-victory-for-dangerous-disgusting-unacceptable-white-supremacy/

If riots start, it will be because of the White House, the MSM, and big tech, especially Twitter.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 19, 2021, 02:35:20 PM
The White House calls for "peaceful protests":

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/19/before-kyle-rittenhouse-was-declared-not-guilty-jen-psaki-said-wh-called-for-peaceful-protests-so-what-happens-now/

I presume that "peaceful protest" is a dog whistle for rioting.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 02:40:28 PM
Turned on a live feed.  :facepalm: Whole lot of stupid being said.

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 02:41:08 PM
And the ACLU has weighed in:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/19/aclu-paints-kyle-rittenhouse-not-guilty-verdict-as-a-victory-for-dangerous-disgusting-unacceptable-white-supremacy/

If riots start, it will be because of the White House, the MSM, and big tech, especially Twitter.

Must be confusing this with some other trial
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 19, 2021, 02:45:44 PM
You could tell as the verdicts were being read the first one didn’t quite sink in right away.  By the third he was doing everything he could to hold his composure, and after the final one was read he instantly lost it.  The emotions of his whole life suddenly flowing back to him must have been incredible and overwhelming.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 19, 2021, 02:47:58 PM
I am surprised: I thought it would be a mixed bag of not guilty on the major charges and guilty on the lesser ones (counts 2 and 3).

Honest question.  Was that what though would happen, or what you thought should happen?  I was in the former camp for quite a while myself, especially as the deliberations dragged on into today.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 19, 2021, 02:50:53 PM
The Wisconsin Lt Governor weighed in. This should help keep things calm:

Quote
Wisconsin Lt. Gov. Mandela Barnes, who is Black and a Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate, reacted bitterly to the outcome.

“Over the last few weeks, many dreaded the outcome we just witnessed," Barnes said. "The presumption of innocence until proven guilty is what we should expect from our judicial system, but that standard is not always applied equally. We have seen so many black and brown youth killed, only to be put on trial posthumously, while the innocence of Kyle Rittenhouse was virtually demanded by the judge.”
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 02:51:15 PM
Hope they sue the pants off many MSM outlets.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 02:52:56 PM
Brady United blames the gun lobby

Brady United on the Rittenhouse Verdict: It Was the Gun Lobby’s Fault
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/brady-united-on-the-rittenhouse-verdict-it-was-the-gun-lobbys-fault/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 02:56:26 PM
Whole lot of stupid

The Left's Unhinged Reaction to Justice in the Rittenhouse Trial Has Begun
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2021/11/19/the-lefts-unhinged-reaction-to-justice-in-the-rittenhouse-trial-has-begun-n2599380
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DittoHead on November 19, 2021, 02:57:08 PM
Quote from: Joe Biden
I stand by what the jury has concluded. The jury system works, and we have to abide by it.
:O Still on drugs from the colonoscopy ?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 19, 2021, 02:57:48 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51691390558_95e0e4a997.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mKMTvG)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 02:59:20 PM
Quote
Quote from: Joe Biden

    I stand by what the jury has concluded. The jury system works, and we have to abide by it.
:O Still on drugs from the colonoscopy ?
Wait, what? Did he actually say that?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ron on November 19, 2021, 03:03:14 PM
I wonder if the prosecutions plan all along was to force a mistrial?

There was such an overwhelming amount of evidence that the actual encounter(s) were self defense, what else could they have been thinking?

That means the judge and to a lesser extent the defense didn't take the bait despite the prosecutions provocations.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DittoHead on November 19, 2021, 03:05:59 PM

Wait, what? Did he actually say that?

I haven't seen video, but it's been reported by multiple places now.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 03:06:58 PM
Well I'll be. Must of gotten away from his handlers for a bit.
Color me shocked

Quote
President Biden stands by jury ruling in Kyle Rittenhouse trial

President Biden said he stands by what the jury concluded in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, which declared Rittenhouse not guilty on all charges filed against him.

President Biden made the statement while responding to past comments by Joe Biden's then-presidential campaign which compared Rittenhouse to a White supremacist.
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/rittenhouse-trial-jury
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: TechMan on November 19, 2021, 03:47:07 PM
Well I'll be. Must of gotten away from his handlers for a bit.
Color me shocked
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/rittenhouse-trial-jury

Maybe the handlers got coloscopies as well.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 03:51:12 PM
Quote
    “He was acting weird, he was acting funny when I tried to talk to him before so I was on alert because I perceived a threat.”

    He perceived a threat from an unarmed man who was running AWAY from him.

    He hunted HIM yet thought HE was a threat.

    This is being black in #AmeriKKKa.

    — yvette nicole brown (@YNB) November 18, 2021

 :O
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 19, 2021, 03:55:02 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FElEQhKWYAI-QfP?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 04:00:28 PM
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    This heartbreaking verdict is a miscarriage of justice and sets a dangerous precedent which justifies federal review by DOJ. Justice cannot tolerate armed persons crossing state lines looking for trouble while people engage in First Amendment-protected protest. https://t.co/Uh95Uc1Ddo

    — Rep. Nadler (@RepJerryNadler) November 19, 2021
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Nick1911 on November 19, 2021, 04:04:59 PM
Kyle would do well to stay off the radar for a while, and to the best of his ability out of the news for the rest of his life.

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 04:06:56 PM
Kyle would do well to stay off the radar for a while, and to the best of his ability out of the news for the rest of his life.

I don't he's going to be the problem in that
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 04:11:19 PM
Well I'll be. Must of gotten away from his handlers for a bit.
Color me shocked
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/rittenhouse-trial-jury
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President Biden stands by jury ruling in Kyle Rittenhouse trial

President Biden said he stands by what the jury concluded in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, which declared Rittenhouse not guilty on all charges filed against him.

President Biden made the statement while responding to past comments by Joe Biden's then-presidential campaign which compared Rittenhouse to a White supremacist.

Nevermind

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    Biden issues another statement on Rittenhouse trial in which he says the not-guilty verdict left him "angry and concerned": pic.twitter.com/zrrmA6nE7V

    — John McCormack (@McCormackJohn) November 19, 2021
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/19/well-there-goes-my-earlier-praise-we-shouldve-known-better-than-to-think-that-joe-biden-would-by-his-initial-statement-on-kyle-rittenhouse/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Kingcreek on November 19, 2021, 04:12:06 PM
Kyle would do well to stay off the radar for a while, and to the best of his ability out of the news for the rest of his life.
He will be back in the news when he starts filing lawsuits against the main scream media liars.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on November 19, 2021, 04:22:43 PM
Let’s Sue Brandon.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 19, 2021, 04:24:46 PM
:O Still on drugs from the colonoscopy ?

Props where props are due if he said that. The question will be, will he stick to it, or will his handlers start giving him "but..." soundbytes in the next few days?

It does sound like it might be something he said himself, before his "they won't let me" crew got to him.

Edit: Oops, missed WLJ's post above where he already backtracked.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 04:26:49 PM
Props where props are due if he said that. The question will be, will he stick to it, or will his handlers start giving him "but..." soundbytes in the next few days?

It does sound like it might be something he said himself, before his "they won't let me" crew got to him.

Check out reply 578. He put it in reverse
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 19, 2021, 04:33:57 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1461788592527839241  Crazy reaction by a lady, she ends up fine and comes back to thank the people who helped her later on.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Calumus on November 19, 2021, 04:42:59 PM
Lifting one to Kyle tonight.


(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51692181965_ddb3d0cd9a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mKRWLD)CCCBD2D3-4F5E-4266-A60D-8E9FC4C921A7 (https://flic.kr/p/2mKRWLD) by Shawn S (https://www.flickr.com/photos/163826174@N04/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: zxcvbob on November 19, 2021, 04:58:00 PM
Lifting one to Kyle tonight.


(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51692181965_ddb3d0cd9a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mKRWLD)CCCBD2D3-4F5E-4266-A60D-8E9FC4C921A7 (https://flic.kr/p/2mKRWLD) by Shawn S (https://www.flickr.com/photos/163826174@N04/), on Flickr

I have never seen that!  I would buy it; my all-time favorite whiskey is Wild Turkey 101 Rye but it has not been available for years. (it's supposed to be back, but none of the liquor stores around here have it and they almost pretend they've never heard of it)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 05:01:53 PM
I have never seen that!  I would buy it; my all-time favorite whiskey is Wild Turkey 101 Rye but it has not been available for years. (it's supposed to be back, but none of the liquor stores around here have it and they almost pretend they've never heard of it)

Advantage of living in Kentucky for that kind stuff , shows in stock locally. =D

And I just checked, Riddenhouse Rye in stock locally too.   =D =D
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 19, 2021, 05:09:48 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1461788592527839241  Crazy reaction by a lady, she ends up fine and comes back to thank the people who helped her later on.

Of course she ends up fine. That's as fake a seizure as you can get. Even if it was a real one, best to just let it kill her. If you're that weak, Darwin doesn't want you around.

I've seen whacky protestors on the right, but they never approach the weird ass emo *expletive deleted*it like wailing at the sky that the lefties do. These microaggression addicts are to weak to live.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 19, 2021, 05:17:06 PM
Kyle would do well to stay off the radar for a while, and to the best of his ability out of the news for the rest of his life.

Good advice. Other than before he does, I'd kinda like to see him post a pic of himself wearing a Black Rifle Coffee Company tshirt.  =D

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/19/black-rifle-coffee-who-disavowed-rittenhouse-silent-after-not-guilty-verdict/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 05:20:17 PM
Good advice. Other than before he does, I'd kinda like to see him post a pic of himself wearing a Black Rifle Coffee Company tshirt.  =D

Okay I'm confused. Is BRCC on or off the naughty list? Didn't it turn out they were liberal or was that BS?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 19, 2021, 05:26:06 PM
An oldie, but worth remembering:

(https://i.imgur.com/mMFPvzd.jpg)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 05:29:16 PM
Live feed at the court house.
Got it up in a tab to see if anything blows up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HCQ6O3tYx8

Edit: Went dead
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 19, 2021, 05:30:57 PM
Okay I'm confused. Is BRCC on or off the naughty list? Didn't it turn out they were liberal or was that BS?

I posted that because Kyle in their tshirt again would be an epic troll. They're off my list because the decided people like me were "proudboy-like" and they didn't want my business. I won't tell anyone else to buy or not buy their coffee. My decision is not to support someone who hates me.

Anyway, they just SPAC'd their company, so my guess is that Hafer and Best are getting ready to pull a golden parachute ripcord while the getting is good.

Fake but funny:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEg53EfXoAQDBAP?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: RocketMan on November 19, 2021, 05:40:41 PM
Lifting one to Kyle tonight.


(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51692181965_ddb3d0cd9a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mKRWLD)CCCBD2D3-4F5E-4266-A60D-8E9FC4C921A7 (https://flic.kr/p/2mKRWLD) by Shawn S (https://www.flickr.com/photos/163826174@N04/), on Flickr

Got dirty looks from the staff when I mentioned this brand at the local ABC store this afternoon.  They didn't have any, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Calumus on November 19, 2021, 05:49:55 PM
Jack Posobiac sent a bottle to The prosecutor’s office after the verdict. After I read that, I found a local place here that had it in stock. It gets pretty good reviews, and I’m pretty sure I convinced one other guy in the shop to buy a bottle. Looking forward to trying it tonight.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 19, 2021, 06:12:04 PM
I am absolutely gob smacked. Very glad to see almost actual "justice" for a change. Actual justice would have happened if his acts would have been recognized as the self defense they were and he had not been charged in the first place.

According to the lieutenant governor of Wisconsin and the ACLU, this trial was a sham and a miscarriage of justice.

Translation: "We should have just lynched him."
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on November 19, 2021, 06:14:25 PM
Jack Posobiac sent a bottle to The prosecutor’s office after the verdict. After I read that, I found a local place here that had it in stock. It gets pretty good reviews, and I’m pretty sure I convinced one other guy in the shop to buy a bottle. Looking forward to trying it tonight.

As I saw from some meme be sure to drink it right. The Rittenhouse: A chaser followed by three shots.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 19, 2021, 06:16:10 PM
Fake but funny:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEg53EfXoAQDBAP?format=jpg&name=small)

Too bitter for my taste.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 19, 2021, 06:16:27 PM

Wait, what? Did he actually say that?

What else could he say? Unlike the defense, the prosecution in a criminal case doesn't get to appeal when they lose.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 19, 2021, 06:24:42 PM
Good advice. Other than before he does, I'd kinda like to see him post a pic of himself wearing burning a Black Rifle Coffee Company tshirt.  =D


FIFY
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 19, 2021, 06:27:07 PM
Jack Posobiac sent a bottle to The prosecutor’s office after the verdict. After I read that, I found a local place here that had it in stock. It gets pretty good reviews, and I’m pretty sure I convinced one other guy in the shop to buy a bottle. Looking forward to trying it tonight.

 :rofl:

So, help me out here. All these Twitter-twerps be upset Kyle got a break because he white. No brother would get away with it. Amerikkka so raciss, etc. They mad about the verdict. My confusion is this: if a white kid w/ no rap sheet had been sent up for such obvious acts of self-defense, what possible chance could a black person have of exercising their right of self-defense? If the US is as white-supremacist as claimed? Especially when so many more black men would be hamstrung by having a criminal record in their background (casts suspicion on them, and bars them from legal gun ownership).

I know, I know, applying logic where it isn't wanted. Sigh.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: 230RN on November 19, 2021, 06:33:23 PM
I wish he could get a National (valid in all States and possessions) lifetime any gun, any caliber, any ammunition carry license.

Actually, with enough bodyguards, he could make a career out of stumping for gun rights, but wisdom is he shut up and go into a witness protection program.

He isn't going to get a job anywhere without changing IDs, I suspect.

I raise my glass to him and his attorney.

Terry. 230RN
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on November 19, 2021, 06:35:47 PM
I could actually see him and the kid from Covington doing a media startup...
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 06:37:53 PM
:rofl:

So, help me out here. All these Twitter-twerps be upset Kyle got a break because he white. No brother would get away with it. Amerikkka so raciss, etc. They mad about the verdict. My confusion is this: if a white kid w/ no rap sheet had been sent up for such obvious acts of self-defense, what possible chance could a black person have of exercising their right of self-defense? If the US is as white-supremacist as claimed? Especially when so many more black men would be hamstrung by having a criminal record in their background (casts suspicion on them, and bars them from legal gun ownership).

I know, I know, applying logic where it isn't wanted. Sigh.

Saw something were they were going on about of course an all white jury, all white prosecution, all white defense, and a white judge were going to let off a white supremacist. 

Now I have zero idea about the race makeup of the jury.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on November 19, 2021, 06:43:49 PM
Yeah, well, his assailants were... all white.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 06:50:49 PM
So far quiet. At least I haven't seen anything mentioned yet.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 06:55:03 PM
Kenosha, WI, protests over Kyle Rittenhouse verdict don't materialize; 2 planned in Chicago
https://abc7chicago.com/kenosha-wi-protests-shooting-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-verdict/11254394/

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There are two protests planned over the verdict in Chicago. The first, called "The People Say Guilty!" will be held Friday at 6 p.m. in Federal Plaza, organized by the Party for Socialism and Liberation.

The second is organized by Black Lives Matter Chicago for Saturday, Nov. 20, at 2 p.m. in Federal Plaza
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: HankB on November 19, 2021, 06:57:38 PM
:rofl:

So, help me out here. All these Twitter-twerps be upset Kyle got a break because he white. No brother would get away with it. Amerikkka so raciss, etc.  . . .
They never heard of O.J. Simpson?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 06:59:53 PM
Speaking of Black Rifle Coffee

Black Rifle Coffee MUST Apologize To Kyle Rittenhouse & New York Times In Big Trouble!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwXOchG2P0M
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: lee n. field on November 19, 2021, 07:00:25 PM
Actually, with enough bodyguards, he could make a career out of stumping for gun rights, but wisdom is he shut up and go into a witness protection program.

He isn't going to get a job anywhere without changing IDs, I suspect.

What college would he be able to go to?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Calumus on November 19, 2021, 07:03:25 PM
I could actually see him and the kid from Covington doing a media startup...

Start up? By the time Kyle’s done with his lawsuits the two of them should be able to buy out cnn.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: DustinD on November 19, 2021, 07:08:59 PM
https://babylonbee.com/news/rittenhouse-sandmann-agree-to-share-joint-custody-of-cnn

(https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-9958-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 07:10:16 PM
Start up? By the time Kyle’s done with his lawsuits the two of them should be able to buy out cnn.

And Black Rifle Coffee
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Fly320s on November 19, 2021, 07:27:32 PM

Anyway, they just SPAC'd their company, so my guess is that Hafer and Best are getting ready to pull a golden parachute ripcord while the getting is good.

What is SPAC? 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 19, 2021, 07:32:08 PM
What is SPAC?

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/spac.asp
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Fly320s on November 19, 2021, 07:39:34 PM
Yeah, I can see BRCC wanting to get the money while they can.  It seems like they've had their moment in the limelight.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: gunsmith on November 19, 2021, 08:17:48 PM
        OMG!!! such fun.
   
   I'M ENJOYING IT SO MUCH


  important to recall, they will try to use the hoi polloi anger to pass a ton more gun law be prepared.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Calumus on November 19, 2021, 08:44:47 PM
  important to recall, they will try to use the hoi polloi anger to pass a ton more gun law be prepared.

Nadler is already making noise about it.

Range report on the Rittenhouse Rye:   Quite good, makes a nice spicey old fashioned.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 08:51:00 PM
Headlines on MSNBC

The Rittenhouse verdict is a symptom of a much bigger sickness in America

'There is no justice today': Family of man killed by Rittenhouse speak out

The Rittenhouse jury just endorsed an incredibly dangerous vision for America\

How will the U.S. react to the Rittenhouse verdict? The signs aren't good.

Maya Wiley on Rittenhouse verdict: 'We're in more danger today than we were yesterday'
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 08:56:36 PM
Protests in NYC More police than protesters though  :police:
Looting reported in Chicago (unconfirmed by anything I can find at the moment)

Live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBLFG5L7Sa0
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 19, 2021, 09:00:53 PM
One of my hunting buddies snagged a bottle of Rittenhouse Rye.  We’ll be drinking a toast to Kyle this weekend.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 09:03:55 PM
Protesters carrying signs "Abolish the police"
If it wasn't for the police there would be thousands of Kyles [ar15] out right now so take your pick
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 09:22:33 PM
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    The people claiming that Trump supporters are “insurrectionists” for trying to overturn and undermine the results of a lawful election are the same people trying to overturn and undermine the results of a lawful trial. https://t.co/mYSbBgCd3W

    — Mike Kilo (@Mike___Kilo) November 20, 2021
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 09:28:16 PM
Soviet flags flying in Denver
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Calumus on November 19, 2021, 09:30:36 PM

'There is no justice today': Family of man killed by Rittenhouse speak


Which man? The guy who raped kids, or the guy who kidnapped a woman and held a knife to his grandmother?  I would think that most families would breathe a sigh of relief at having those risks removed.

As for abolishing the police rallies, this situation is what happens when Gov. abdicates it’s duty to keep the peace. People who care about their communities will eventually step up, and they will be less reserved in their actions than a professional police force would be. Kyle’s actions were essentially a best case scenario for what could happen if people finally feel like they have to do their own policing. He only fired when given no other choice, he made split second decisions not to fire when people withdrew, and he only hit what he aimed at. I’d bet if you put 95% of the population into his exact scenario, there would be quite a few more dead and injured. The kid really impressed me with his restraint and skill. Plus, his trigger discipline was great, unlike flufferboy2004 who tried to Alec Baldwin the jury.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 19, 2021, 09:34:55 PM
Range report on the Rittenhouse Rye:   Quite good, makes a nice spicey old fashioned.

Rittenhouse is not on my "straight sippin' whiskey" list, but it's very good in Old-fashioneds and Sazeracs. The first time I had it was in a Sazerac in a speakeasy.

Idaho State Liquor shows a bunch available locally. At 25 bucks a bottle, I should go get a bottle to support the team.  =D
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 19, 2021, 09:45:23 PM
It's interesting watching all the commie governors and commie big city mayors from states that are not Wisconsin all coming out and screaming that we need to do something about this verdict. A verdict in a legal trial, by a jury that obviously took this seriously enough to deliberate for three days, and knowing that it could have been easier to just ignore the evidence and find him guilty to appease the mob and protect their own lives.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 09:45:50 PM
From the live feed
The bullets that went into Rosenbaum were meant for a black man.
  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 19, 2021, 10:08:57 PM
(https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aRrVPGq_460s.jpg)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Nick1911 on November 19, 2021, 10:18:06 PM
It's interesting watching all the commie governors and commie big city mayors from states that are not Wisconsin all coming out and screaming that we need to do something about this verdict. A verdict in a legal trial, by a jury that obviously took this seriously enough to deliberate for three days, and knowing that it could have been easier to just ignore the evidence and find him guilty to appease the mob and protect their own lives.

I agree, this has been bothering me today too.

For all those governors, mayors, representatives, etc that are making comments saying this is a "miscarriage of justice", etc; I'd really like to know exactly what about this trial or the justice system of having trials by peers they think constitutes a "miscarriage of justice".
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: JTHunter on November 19, 2021, 10:20:32 PM
"White Privilege" now has a new name.

This article is not surprising on multiple levels.  "Woke", "Liberal", "Female", "PoC", self-righteous, hypocrite, etc.  :facepalm:

https://news.yahoo.com/rittenhouse-verdict-sets-legal-precedent-184324203.html
  [barf]
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 19, 2021, 10:26:39 PM
I wonder how much of the doctrinaire Left's outrage is the fact that we now have a very high-profile example of someone defending themselves with an AR-15. And they helped make it famous.

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FRIS1sypJ2Vfwc%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1&nofb=1)

Even if the hard Left, and gun control true believers will never admit it was self-defense, millions of people will never again believe that ARs are nothing but mass murder machines or LARPer toys.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 19, 2021, 11:18:18 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/5g3ilr.jpg)


Why am I just now learning that Kenosha Kid is a music group?

https://kenoshakid.bandcamp.com/music
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 19, 2021, 11:45:05 PM
As much as he wants to become a nurse, I think he should really think long and hard about the military.  Or, if wokeness wasn’t infesting the military I’d suggest that.  He’d make one heck of an NCO, especially in a combat role. 

And as wise as laying low would normally be, it might behoove him to take advantage of the money making opportunities available right now.  A few years from now the interest won’t be nearly as much.  That $2mil bail fund is unlikely to wind up in his hands, so the speaking circuit, paid interviews, book/movie deals (as a consultant if not subject), etc could be very lucrative.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 20, 2021, 12:49:54 AM
Would you trust the current military leadership to leave him alone? 

He will figure something out.  There are people out there who would give him a job.  He may have more trouble than most in finding those opportunities.  Give it 6 months or a year and see how much publicity still follows him.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 20, 2021, 12:59:32 AM
Jury acquits Gifford man who claimed self-defense after girlfriend killed by sheriff's SWAT team in 2017 raid
https://news.yahoo.com/jury-acquits-gifford-man-claimed-195415308.html

A separate case, but I saw someone point this one out as another case where a man was acquitted.  Only this man was black and he actually shot at police.  So self defense isn't just a white thing. 

It does look like he was tagged for a felon in possession charge. 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: JN01 on November 20, 2021, 01:01:49 AM
        OMG!!! such fun.
   
   I'M ENJOYING IT SO MUCH


  important to recall, they will try to use the hoi polloi anger to pass a ton more gun law be prepared.

They will want to close the "self defense loophole".
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Calumus on November 20, 2021, 01:02:15 AM
This kid should make enough from defamation lawsuits over the next couple of years that his entire extended family will live like Midas. Nick Sandman has already reached out to him, and the lawyer that first got the OSHA rule stopped is offering to go after Biden for him. He’ll never have a normal life, might as well have a comfortable one.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: gunsmith on November 20, 2021, 01:06:33 AM
   oh man, it's hysterically funny, watching me liberal friends on FB.
If I had more energy I would be having a blast.
Frankly, after it all boils over and they forget, I am worried that they successfully use this against gun owners.
    BUT, IS IS SO FUNNY WATCHING the stupid FREAK OUT.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 20, 2021, 01:13:38 AM
This kid should make enough from defamation lawsuits over the next couple of years that his entire extended family will live like Midas. Nick Sandman has already reached out to him, and the lawyer that first got the OSHA rule stopped is offering to go after Biden for him. He’ll never have a normal life, might as well have a comfortable one.
Considering he just went through a criminal case, I don't know if the media has the same liability with this case versus Sandman.  With Sandman, the media fabricated the whole story out of thin air and essentially attacked and publicized a 16 year old minor who did nothing wrong (and they knew it).  I think that is why Sandman is getting settlements as his case won't be so easy to fight.  I don't know if Kyle will get the same result as his case was very public. 

Zimmerman sued NBC (I think) who edited the 911 recording to make him look racist and guilty.  His lawsuit got tossed, but I don't remember if there was some reason that happened.   
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 20, 2021, 01:52:23 AM
Yeah, as despicable as the media has been with Rittenhouse I don’t think he’ll get anywhere with suing the media.  Maybe the ones that have kept pushing the lies even after the evidence was reported in court.  But, e.g. the Young Turks walked back their BS during the trial.  They’re probably pretty safe from Kyle, unfortunately. 

Kyles best bet will be paid speeches and interviews and such.  If were his lawyer I’d advise him not to count on getting settlements, and to make use of such opportunities while his 15 minutes last.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on November 20, 2021, 07:03:38 AM
Seen at the protest graffiti. “All cops are Kyles.” Guys, please think this over. You had a much better chance of survival when they were just bastards. The murder death kill stats are about to be lit.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on November 20, 2021, 07:27:37 AM
Jury acquits Gifford man who claimed self-defense after girlfriend killed by sheriff's SWAT team in 2017 raid
https://news.yahoo.com/jury-acquits-gifford-man-claimed-195415308.html

A separate case, but I saw someone point this one out as another case where a man was acquitted.  Only this man was black and he actually shot at police.  So self defense isn't just a white thing. 

It does look like he was tagged for a felon in possession charge.

And in THIS instance, the cops were actually raiding his place with a WARRANT! I still don't understand...
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on November 20, 2021, 07:30:41 AM
It has been a LONG time since the classes, but...
 
I see falsehoods, and I see malice. Hence, I see libel.
 
And grounds for a suit.
 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 20, 2021, 07:53:32 AM
Plenty of links for people to find and look at, but it appears "peaceful protests" are spreading, most in the usual places. At this point, in places like Portland and Oakland, I'm almost gleeful to see them burn their own city down. It seems to be what they want.

From Oakland:

(https://a57.foxnews.com/livenews.foxnews.com/images/2021/11/624/351/5345bf01c1ed02ef50313ddc4ede880c.jpg?tl=1&ve=1)

If you make the pedo your "hero", I hope you get run over by a bus.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 20, 2021, 08:24:31 AM
Also, I've read at least a half dozen articles now where this was an "unfair" trial because the defendant was white and the jury was predominately white. Why do I never hear about "unfairness" when it's a POC defendant and the jury is predominately POC? I certainly hear complaints when the defendant is POC and the jury is predominately white, yet for Kyle, they want a POC jury for "fairness".
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 20, 2021, 08:35:57 AM
Should have been a jury of wise Latinas, obviously.

Oh, I mean Latinxs. Latinxes? Latinxi? Maybe it's Latinxen, like "oxen."
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 20, 2021, 08:46:23 AM
It has been a LONG time since the classes, but...
 
I see falsehoods, and I see malice. Hence, I see libel.
 
And grounds for a suit.
 


The problem with suing the media is they can claim, with enough plausibility to fend off a suit, that they were just reporting on what the prosecutors were saying.  Sandmann won all his settlements largely because there wasn’t any crime, let alone criminal charges or trial, so they didn’t get that cloak to cover themselves from liability.  The prosecution has nearly impenetrable immunity from liability when acting officially. 

Where Kyle might have a case worth pursuing will be with those media outlets that continue to make blatant false claims even now that the trial is over and he was acquitted. 

While Biden’s comments post verdict were vile, suing him successfully will be very difficult.  By now Kyle a “public figure” which means proving actual malice to win a lawsuit.  All Biden has to say is that he disagrees with the legality of what Kyle did, but [NPR voice] clearly [/NPR voice] wasn’t malicious in nature.  How many courts will smack Biden with a clue-x-4 over that?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 20, 2021, 08:55:20 AM
Here's what CNN has to say about "the two men killed and the 'sole survivor' ". Rosenbaum was just an innocent guy in the wrong place at the wrong time, and the one line about his multiple instances of child molestation were written as "sexual conduct".

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/01/us/kyle-rittenhouse-shooting-victims-trial/index.html

Oh, and they have this right under the above article:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/20/us/angry-white-men-trials-blake-cec/index.html
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 20, 2021, 08:58:37 AM
Many MSM outlets especially MSNBC are still running with many of the same proven false narratives they were before the trial. They think they're immune from any consequences and are still trying to inflame riots and a full on race war. Time to let them know just how wrong they are.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 20, 2021, 09:05:30 AM
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Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 20, 2021, 09:28:51 AM
Jury acquits Gifford man who claimed self-defense after girlfriend killed by sheriff's SWAT team in 2017 raid
https://news.yahoo.com/jury-acquits-gifford-man-claimed-195415308.html

A separate case, but I saw someone point this one out as another case where a man was acquitted.  Only this man was black and he actually shot at police.  So self defense isn't just a white thing. 

It does look like he was tagged for a felon in possession charge.


And in THIS instance, the cops were actually raiding his place with a WARRANT! I still don't understand...

Somewhat similar to the Breonna Taylor case here in Louisville.
But in this case her boyfriend, a felon, open fire on the still outside police through the door AFTER they knocked and IDed themselves* striking one. The police returned fire and the reason she was struck was because he was firing from behind her in the hallway at the time. Despite the fact he was a felon with a gun and had fired on police striking one he was let go due to political pressure
The police were at time looking for her other boyfriend a drug dealer.

*Confirmed by some of her neighbors

The street narrative is that the police just barged in and shot her in bed just because Completely counter to what witnesses and evidence say happened
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on November 20, 2021, 10:01:20 AM
Jury acquits Gifford man who claimed self-defense after girlfriend killed by sheriff's SWAT team in 2017 raid
https://news.yahoo.com/jury-acquits-gifford-man-claimed-195415308.html

A separate case, but I saw someone point this one out as another case where a man was acquitted.  Only this man was black and he actually shot at police.  So self defense isn't just a white thing. 

It does look like he was tagged for a felon in possession charge.

The difference between a no-knock and an announced dynamic entry raid is a whisper in a hallway at 3AM.

That bullshit has to stop.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 20, 2021, 10:17:16 AM
The difference between a no-knock and an announced dynamic entry raid is a whisper in a hallway at 3AM.

That bullshit has to stop.

In the Taylor case several witnesses (her neighbors)  have stated the police did knock and ID themselves, the boyfriend then started shooting through the door.
Wasn't clear about that fact above so I added it. 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: bedlamite on November 20, 2021, 11:06:06 AM
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Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 20, 2021, 11:17:53 AM

And in THIS instance, the cops were actually raiding his place with a WARRANT! I still don't understand...

I have never understood the concept of "serving" a warrant by smashing your way into a residence at oh-dark-thirty, rather than knocking on the door like a civilized person and displaying a copy of the warrant so the occupant(s) can read it and verify that it's a legal warrant. It's one thing to do a no-knock warrant "service" when trying to apprehend an armed and known violent felon. It's uncalled for when searching for inanimate objects.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 20, 2021, 12:15:12 PM
New Headlines on MSNBC this morning. If they're not actively trying incite riots and start a race war then what are they doing?

Malcolm Nance: White nationalists are high-fiving over the Rittenhouse verdict

Where the prosecutor in the Rittenhouse case went wrong, according to a civil rights lawyer

The judicial system 'was designed to do exactly what it did' for Rittenhouse

The Rittenhouse verdict exposes how America's become more comfortable with violence

Why Kyle Rittenhouse's not guilty verdict actually makes perfect sense. (The article makes it clear what they mean by that)

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 20, 2021, 12:36:36 PM
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The judicial system 'was designed to do exactly what it did' for Rittenhouse

So the judicial system was designed to harass an obviously innocent young man (a white man for our racist friends on the left), while failing to punish a criminal who illegally had and illegally used a firearm, and another creep that admitted to assault, apparently. Such breathtaking insight from MSNBC...
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: gunsmith on November 20, 2021, 02:26:27 PM
omg I am friends with one of Bob's Dylans girlfriends , she is in her seventies and all her friends are hollywood and Rock elite..
I'm having so much fun. I am remaining calm,nice, and asking them questions and their screaming and pulling out their hair LOL LOL.
 she wants to block me but we have been friends since the seventies and can't, bwaahahahahahah.
 Asking hollywood and rocks elites to defend their evil , without their writers and advisors is such a hoot!!
its really enjoyable!!
They're really freaking out. they have a lot of power so it scares me a bit.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: BobR on November 20, 2021, 02:37:46 PM
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/FB_IMG_1637367633429.jpg)

Shouldn't that be at least 7 shots?  ;)

bob
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: grampster on November 20, 2021, 02:40:03 PM
Somewhat similar to the Breonna Taylor case here in Louisville.
But in this case her boyfriend, a felon, open fire on the still outside police through the door AFTER they knocked and IDed themselves* striking one. The police returned fire and the reason she was struck was because he was firing from behind her in the hallway at the time. Despite the fact he was a felon with a gun and had fired on police striking one he was let go due to political pressure
The police were at time looking for her other boyfriend a drug dealer.

*Confirmed by some of her neighbors

The street narrative is that the police just barged in and shot her in bed just because Completely counter to what witnesses and evidence say happened

City Officials here in Grand Rapids, Mi. even named a street after Taylor.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 20, 2021, 02:47:08 PM
Lots of people are suddenly "clarifying" stuff since the not guilty verdict. Here's Gofundme:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/11/20/damage-control-allow-gofundme-to-clarify-something-in-light-of-the-rittenhouse-trial-result/

I actually don't remember exactly what happened with them and the Rittenhouse Gofundme, but their "clarification" is not believable to me. I'm betting there are a bunch more Gofundmes besides the examples in the link that were used to collect money for someone defending themselves in court after being accused of a violent crime. They are just politically acceptable recipients.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 20, 2021, 03:36:58 PM
... and the memes keep coming:

(https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/afb112021dAPC20211120014506.jpg)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 20, 2021, 04:04:41 PM
City Officials here in Grand Rapids, Mi. even named a street after Taylor.

I haven't even said anything about what the MSM covers up about her.

She was forced out of her paramedic job for stealing drugs from hospitals and other reported infractions.
Was reportedly running BF #1's drug business while he was in jail.
Was a murder suspect.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: zxcvbob on November 20, 2021, 04:20:32 PM
I haven't even said anything about what the MSM covers up about her.

She was forced out of her paramedic job for stealing drugs from hospitals and other reported infractions.
Was reportedly running BF #1's drug business while he was in jail.
Was a murder suspect.

1) When the left gets a purely innocent victim (like I think John Crawford III was) they couldn't care less.  They only want "victims" who the right will reject because what they really want is controversy not justice.

2) I am not really familiar with the Taylor case, but her past is irrelevant if the cops that shot her didn't know it (and is probably irrelevant if they did.)  After the fact, maybe the world is a better place without her in it; again irrelevant to the case but maybe consolation to the ones involved.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 20, 2021, 04:41:37 PM
Brandon Herrera weighs in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSdsxyi6I6I
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 20, 2021, 04:44:35 PM
Live feed from Chicago
Holding up a banner "End The Trump Era"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LR-SZmp4oM
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 20, 2021, 04:55:20 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/KAEgCbc.png)




(https://i.imgur.com/CskU4p2.jpg)

(Raylan Givens approves)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 20, 2021, 04:55:55 PM
1) When the left gets a purely innocent victim (like I think John Crawford III was) they couldn't care less.  They only want "victims" who the right will reject because what they really want is controversy not justice.

2) I am not really familiar with the Taylor case, but her past is irrelevant if the cops that shot her didn't know it (and is probably irrelevant if they did.)  After the fact, maybe the world is a better place without her in it; again irrelevant to the case but maybe consolation to the ones involved.

The biggest thing the police did wrong in this is firing blindly back into the apartment not knowing her BF was apparently firing from behind her in the hallway. Take from that what you will about the BF. And yes the police can be faulted for firing blindly.
There is some question about how the warrant was obtained but it's all been too shrouded in a fog of distortions and lies to tell what's true what's not.
The media keeps making hay about it being a no-knock warrant but apparently they didn't use that way and it is confirmed by her neighbors they did knock and IDed themselves as police before the BF started firing through the door.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 20, 2021, 06:02:58 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/HHpRa9el.jpg)



(https://app.photobucket.com/u/SVT-40/a/7b908000-4823-4918-9fda-3e8bb695c73b/p/a6453ce9-bc94-4d05-9dc8-524d65dacf6b)



(https://i.imgur.com/9kAZzPV.jpg)

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on November 20, 2021, 07:09:14 PM
When you're talking to them, and the first thing that you say is... "Yeah, well, first this baby raper was coming after the kid and trying to grab his firearm..."
 
They get confused.
 
"Well, yeah - the guy had a record. With kids. If he had gotten that AR-15, what do  you think he planned to do with it?"
 
They get more confused.
 
Open their minds.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 20, 2021, 07:09:36 PM
Now we have to hear from this racist jackass as well?

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/20/white-supremacy-cannot-be-reformed-colin-kaepernick-says-the-rittenhouse-verdict-validates-the-need-to-abolish-our-current-system/

A couple of the better comments:

Quote
Yet you applauded that same system when it convicted Derek Chauvin.

Quote
You'd think this guy would be more upset about a white guy running around shouting the n-word at everybody than a case of white-on-white crime.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 20, 2021, 07:13:12 PM
Quote
Gov. Gavin Newsom (D-CA): “America today: you can break the law, carry around weapons built for a military, shoot and kill people, and get away with it. That’s the message we’ve just sent to armed vigilantes across the nation.”

Pretty sure that's a basic right enshrined in our constitution, but I guess it bothers some people.

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Gov. J.B. Pritzker (D-IL): “Carrying a loaded gun into a community 20 miles from your home and shooting unarmed citizens is fundamentally wrong.”

No, not really. Funny that you put it that way, though. You'd be OK with Kyle popping green card workers from his windowsill at home?



Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on November 20, 2021, 07:55:55 PM
Oops - I just figured out a way to crank it up a notch...
 
"skinhead baby raper."
 
There. That's gonna be SO much better...
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 20, 2021, 08:46:45 PM
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/skate.jpg)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Nick1911 on November 20, 2021, 09:01:04 PM
Quote
Gov. Gavin Newsom (D-CA): “America today: you can break the law, carry around weapons built for a military, shoot and kill people, and get away with it. That’s the message we’ve just sent to armed vigilantes across the nation.”
Pretty sure that's a basic right enshrined in our constitution, but I guess it bothers some people.

I also take issue with the first part of the statement.  Kyle was found not guilty by a jury of his peers.  I would argue that he, by definition, didn't break any laws.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on November 20, 2021, 09:24:01 PM
The trial was supposed to redefine the laws.
 
Sigh.
 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: bedlamite on November 20, 2021, 09:41:04 PM
(https://i.redd.it/z1hvrzqv4t081.jpg)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on November 21, 2021, 01:06:45 AM
(https://i.redd.it/z1hvrzqv4t081.jpg)

Close. I will not be surprised if a former jury hold-out gives and interview and says the other intimidated them into changing their vote.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 21, 2021, 08:01:15 AM
"Jo Jo"?!?

Hollywood is going to make a child rapist into a rock star hero. These people are disgusting.

Quote
We come together to mourn the lives lost to the same racist system that devalues Black lives and devalued the lives of Anthony and JoJo. #ReimagineKenosha

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/20/mark-ruffalo-says-anthony-and-jojo-were-more-afraid-of-an-armed-kyle-rittenhouse-than-he-was-of-them/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 21, 2021, 08:24:25 AM
"Jo Jo"?!?

Hollywood is going to make a child rapist into a rock star hero. These people are disgusting.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/20/mark-ruffalo-says-anthony-and-jojo-were-more-afraid-of-an-armed-kyle-rittenhouse-than-he-was-of-them/

At this point I would only be shocked if they didn't.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ron on November 21, 2021, 09:22:34 AM
Rapists, pedophiles and murderers have been running the country all our lives, of course they would promote their own.

 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: cordex on November 21, 2021, 09:35:25 AM
Rapists, pedophiles and murderers have been running the country all our lives, of course they would promote their own.
I don’t think for even a second that the scummy elite care one whit for Rosenbaum just because some of them share his preferences.

Their defense of him is simply an attack on another tribe.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Boomhauer on November 21, 2021, 09:36:19 AM
"Jo Jo"?!?

Hollywood is going to make a child rapist into a rock star hero. These people are disgusting.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/20/mark-ruffalo-says-anthony-and-jojo-were-more-afraid-of-an-armed-kyle-rittenhouse-than-he-was-of-them/

The people that are saying “But Rosenbaum was a child rapist!” do not grasp that the people that think Rosenbaum was a hero also love and support pedophiles, or as they call them, Minor Attracted Individuals.

I’m telling you within a decade pedophilia will be legal on the left coast.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 21, 2021, 09:39:57 AM
I don't know that "giving benefit of doubt" is the appropriate phrase to use, but I wouldn't be surprised if these Hollywood people and others have either zero knowledge of the pedo's background, or believe the rap sheet is fake and some kind of conservative plot. There are a number of MSM outlets from which you would never know what his background is. Others simply use the euphemistic term "sexual conduct" (not even "sexual MISconduct") when referring to his disgusting background. They just interview his whacko girlfriend who tells them what a great and kind person he was.

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: lee n. field on November 21, 2021, 10:13:49 AM
https://nypost.com/2021/11/18/anthony-hubers-girlfriend-has-a-lot-of-sympathy-for-kyle-rittenhouse/ (https://nypost.com/2021/11/18/anthony-hubers-girlfriend-has-a-lot-of-sympathy-for-kyle-rittenhouse/)

Girlfriend of Huber, the beater of girlfriends?  Boy, she can pick 'em.  Real judge of character, there.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ron on November 21, 2021, 10:31:23 AM
I don’t think for even a second that the scummy elite care one whit for Rosenbaum just because some of them share his preferences.

Their defense of him is simply an attack on another tribe.

Probably true, it's always the ends justify the means with them. They will use whatever or whomever furthers their goals.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MillCreek on November 21, 2021, 11:37:20 AM
I don't know that "giving benefit of doubt" is the appropriate phrase to use, but I wouldn't be surprised if these Hollywood people and others have either zero knowledge of the pedo's background, or believe the rap sheet is fake and some kind of conservative plot.

I am pretty sure that Mr. Rittenhouse had no knowledge of his background either.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 21, 2021, 12:10:31 PM
I am pretty sure that Mr. Rittenhouse had no knowledge of his background either.

Irrelevant. We're discussing people who are, after the event, via either ignorance or willfully lying, making Rosenbaum out to be a caring hero who helped little old ladies across the street.

Also, Rittenhouse did have background information on Rosenbaum. He had firsthand knowledge of Rosenbaum's maniacal tendencies.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 21, 2021, 12:21:06 PM
https://nypost.com/2021/11/18/anthony-hubers-girlfriend-has-a-lot-of-sympathy-for-kyle-rittenhouse/ (https://nypost.com/2021/11/18/anthony-hubers-girlfriend-has-a-lot-of-sympathy-for-kyle-rittenhouse/)

Girlfriend of Huber, the beater of girlfriends?  Boy, she can pick 'em.  Real judge of character, there.

Hmmm ... yeah.

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“This kid was walking around like hot s–t, looking for a reason to say, ‘Oh, I gotta do something about this,’” she said.

"This" being the [mostly peaceful] burning and looting of a large chunk of Kenosha. So, yeah, Rittenhouse was looking to do something about "this." And her dirtbag BF was contributing to "this."

Quote
“You are not going to tell me that these motherf–kers did not know that this militia was here. You’re not gonna tell me that,” she continued, adding that a special prosecutor outside of Kenosha County should’ve been appointed to the case.

“They gotta put some heat on this kid because if they let him completely off the hook, then they have to totally take responsibility for allowing what happened to happen.”

I do agree that the City of Kenosha is responsible. If the city's police had done their job and shut down the [mostly peaceful] riots, private citizens like Kyle Rittenhouse would not have felt it necessary to step into the void and deploy to protect private property.

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 21, 2021, 12:23:06 PM
Is there anyone in the past 20-30 years or so that the left has elevated to saintly hero status that wasn't a career criminal and/or a disgusting excuse for a human being overall?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on November 21, 2021, 12:35:59 PM
 Palmetto State needs to do a model KR-15, be some fun choices for selector labeling. Clean graffitti, Arson, and I see Pedos is my vote.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Boomhauer on November 21, 2021, 12:41:43 PM
Palmetto State needs to do a model KR-15, be some fun choices for selector labeling. Clean graffitti, Arson, and I see Pedos is my vote.

Model KR-15
“Kenosha Miracle”
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: bedlamite on November 21, 2021, 12:47:24 PM
Palmetto State needs to do a model KR-15, be some fun choices for selector labeling. Clean graffitti, Arson, and I see Pedos is my vote.

Kenosha hat trick.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: bedlamite on November 21, 2021, 06:51:14 PM
(https://i.redd.it/bhw261k1jy081.jpg)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 21, 2021, 07:35:54 PM
Someone drove a SUV into a parade in Waukesha, Wisconsin. Gun fire reported as well.

Didn't know if I should have started a new thread or not. Posted here because it could be related to the trial
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 21, 2021, 07:42:04 PM
Quote
Eyewitnesses indicate the driver of the car also fired shots out of the window while they sped through the parade.
Multiple injuries reported after car drives through crowd at Waukesha holiday parade
https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/car-drives-through-crowd-at-waukesha-holiday-parade-multiple-injured

Multiple People Injured At Waukesha Christmas Parade: Report
https://patch.com/wisconsin/waukesha/incident-reported-waukesha-christmas-parade-report
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 21, 2021, 07:54:07 PM
You can hear gun shots in the video. Not sure if they were coming from the SUV or police.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 21, 2021, 08:04:16 PM
Son of a *expletive deleted*ing bitch
Guy floored it and plowed straight into a group of 20 children dancers in the parade and sped off
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Andiron on November 21, 2021, 10:10:33 PM
No name or description of the "person of interest" says volumes...
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: sumpnz on November 22, 2021, 03:46:38 AM
Multiple injuries reported after car drives through crowd at Waukesha holiday parade
https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/car-drives-through-crowd-at-waukesha-holiday-parade-multiple-injured

Multiple People Injured At Waukesha Christmas Parade: Report
https://patch.com/wisconsin/waukesha/incident-reported-waukesha-christmas-parade-report


IDGAF if the driver was a random idiot, drunk, targeting someone for revenge, bat-guano crazy, a jihadi, antefa, BLM supporter, or even a Rittenhouse supporter.  They should be hung from the nearest lamppost.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 22, 2021, 07:43:27 AM
Hey mods, If this had no connection to the Rittenhouse trial can you please delete my posts above since we have another thread going? I may have had bit of a knee jerk reaction.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 22, 2021, 10:10:58 AM
Palmetto State needs to do a model KR-15, be some fun choices for selector labeling. Clean graffitti, Arson, and I see Pedos is my vote.
Hank Strange had some Palmetto State Armory guys on show last Friday.  When asked about a Rittenhouse lower, they said absolutely not.  They did not want do anything that would keep Rittenhouse in the spotlight any longer than he had to be.  Let him attempt to go back to a normal life.  I can agree with that.

I am sure another issue will come up.  They have a Peacuck-15 which is supposed to be a criticism of NBC and media.  Has a logo that looks like a retarded peacock. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8gNjTsCynw
He started doing his show live on Utreon as they allow guns to be shown on a livestream.  He uploads it to youtube afterward.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 22, 2021, 01:33:02 PM
"Jo Jo"?!?

Hollywood is going to make a child rapist into a rock star hero. These people are disgusting.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/20/mark-ruffalo-says-anthony-and-jojo-were-more-afraid-of-an-armed-kyle-rittenhouse-than-he-was-of-them/

I think about what I see in movies the last several years.  Hollywood seems to have trouble writing and playing good heroes for the most part.  Most heroes are deconstructed and "flawed" in some way.  However, they write good villains and seem to like playing them. 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on November 22, 2021, 02:11:00 PM
I posted a remark on Ruffalo's twitter...
 
"Why are you cheering for a baby raper?" or something like that...
 
I'm about 5 hours into a 12 hour time-out...
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: bedlamite on November 22, 2021, 05:24:23 PM
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Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: bedlamite on November 22, 2021, 09:10:26 PM
Yep, his mouth is going to get him into more trouble.  :facepalm:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/blm-disses-kyle-rittenhouse-after-he-says-he-supports-movement-i-dont-f-with-you/ar-AAR0tw4
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 22, 2021, 09:16:59 PM
Yep, his mouth is going to get him into more trouble.  :facepalm:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/blm-disses-kyle-rittenhouse-after-he-says-he-supports-movement-i-dont-f-with-you/ar-AAR0tw4

Yup, I saw that. I'm wondering if he has "handlers" right now and if they got him to say that? Wrong move, IMO. If he's gonna talk, he should have said something like "I support people's first amendment right to peacefully protest." Saying "BLM" only plays right into the hands of everyone saying he's a white supremacist when his trial had nothing to do with race.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 22, 2021, 09:31:31 PM
I guess he will have to learn that nothing he can say will convince some of these people that he is not a racist (or pick your word). 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 22, 2021, 09:32:28 PM
NBC News Supplies YouTube a List of Videos to Delete & Channels to Demonetize
https://www.ammoland.com/2021/11/nbc-news-supplies-youtube-list-videos-delete-channels-demonetize/

I wonder if the MSM is going after the competition.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: French G. on November 23, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
MSNBC, the second amendment threatens the first amendment.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/kyle-rittenhouse-s-not-guilty-verdict-gives-protesters-new-threat-n1284416 (https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/kyle-rittenhouse-s-not-guilty-verdict-gives-protesters-new-threat-n1284416)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 23, 2021, 04:18:33 PM
MSNBC, the second amendment threatens the first amendment.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/kyle-rittenhouse-s-not-guilty-verdict-gives-protesters-new-threat-n1284416 (https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/kyle-rittenhouse-s-not-guilty-verdict-gives-protesters-new-threat-n1284416)

Tit for tat. They use the first to attack the second every day.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on November 23, 2021, 05:48:45 PM
From French G's article:

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Vigilantism, not protesting, is becoming the preferred form of dissent in America.

I think they're confusing arson with vigilantism.  Been a fückton more malicious fires than shot commies.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on November 23, 2021, 06:20:30 PM
There was a guy here in St. Louis lighting black churches on fire.
 
Definitely not a white supremacist...
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 23, 2021, 07:28:10 PM
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Vigilantism, not protesting, is becoming the preferred form of dissent in America.

Not true, but sadly, that would be an improvement over the status quo.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on November 23, 2021, 08:17:16 PM
Since "protesting" seems to have been redefined as "we're gonna get some new TVs and some new shoes..."
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 23, 2021, 10:29:48 PM
https://twitter.com/GulagGoblin/status/1462958875011792905

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 24, 2021, 01:04:55 AM
Question for those more familiar with the case, or with Wisconsin law: would Kyle have been legal to carry a handgun, openly or concealed, instead of  the rifle?

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: bedlamite on November 24, 2021, 01:13:15 AM
Question for those more familiar with the case, or with Wisconsin law: would Kyle have been legal to carry a handgun, openly or concealed, instead of  the rifle?

Nope. Not legal to carry pistol, sbr, or sbs under 18.

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/60/3/c
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 24, 2021, 08:46:40 AM
Add Meathead to the lawsuit list

 Rob Reiner melts down over Kyle Rittenhouse’s visit to Mar-a-Lago
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/11/24/rob-reiner-melts-down-over-kyle-rittenhouses-visit-to-mar-a-lago/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: BobR on November 24, 2021, 01:12:26 PM

 Rob Reiner melts down over Kyle Rittenhouse’s visit to Mar-a-Lago
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/11/24/rob-reiner-melts-down-over-kyle-rittenhouses-visit-to-mar-a-lago/

One part of me (a very small piece) says "what was he thinking?"

The rest says "How awesome for the kid!!"

He is a private citizen, he can do whatever he wants. I think it is even more awesome that liberal heads are exploding all over the place because of this.

My only complaint is Melania wasn't in the pictures. ;)

bob
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 24, 2021, 01:25:59 PM
Party poopers

Folks behind Rittenhouse Straight Rye Whiskey ‘have been disheartened’ by some people using their product to toast to Kyle Rittenhouse not-guilty verdict
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/24/folks-behind-rittenhouse-straight-rye-whiskey-have-been-disheartened-by-some-people-using-their-product-to-toast-to-kyle-rittenhouse-not-guilty-verdict/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 24, 2021, 01:31:27 PM
Party poopers

Folks behind Rittenhouse Straight Rye Whiskey ‘have been disheartened’ by some people using their product to toast to Kyle Rittenhouse not-guilty verdict
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/24/folks-behind-rittenhouse-straight-rye-whiskey-have-been-disheartened-by-some-people-using-their-product-to-toast-to-kyle-rittenhouse-not-guilty-verdict/

I guess no one at these companies knows how to stay neutral anymore.  It wouldn't have been hard, but it requires a bit of thought. 

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I suppose a dead pedophile and a dead domestic abuser could be considered a "profound loss of life" if one had just downed an entire fifth of straight rye whiskey, or if one wasn't raised with the greatest set of morals and values.

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There was a way to say this that didn’t sound sanctimonious nor like you’ve picked sides. You’ve failed at that.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 24, 2021, 01:35:25 PM
That one commenter had another post on Twitter that was on point.   =)
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You should put out a commemorative Rosenbaum Rye. Aged between five and ten years, just like his rape victims.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 24, 2021, 04:06:54 PM
Will they be offering counseling services after the Arbery verdict?
Yeah, I know the answer to that

Best Buy offers employees counseling services after the Rittenhouse verdict
https://thepostmillennial.com/best-buy-offers-employees-counseling-services-after-the-rittenhouse-verdict



Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 24, 2021, 04:13:49 PM
Nope. Not legal to carry pistol, sbr, or sbs under 18.

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/60/3/c

So carrying a big, scary-looking rifle was actually a very sensible means of protecting himself in the dangerous situation created by Rosenbaum, et al.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 24, 2021, 04:19:02 PM
Will they be offering counseling services after the Arbery verdict?
Yeah, I know the answer to that

Best Buy offers employees counseling services after the Rittenhouse verdict
https://thepostmillennial.com/best-buy-offers-employees-counseling-services-after-the-rittenhouse-verdict

It would be nice if everyone who showed up wanted to work through their outrage and grief at an innocent young man being attacked, vilified, and nearly railroaded. A fella can dream...
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 24, 2021, 04:41:31 PM
Did someone just red pill MSNBC or at least JS ?

 ‘Shocking to hear from MSNBC’: Joe Scarborough lets Al Sharpton and others know Dem-run cities are ‘out of control’
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/11/24/shocking-to-hear-from-msnbc-joe-scarborough-lets-al-sharpton-and-others-know-dem-run-cities-are-out-of-control/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 24, 2021, 07:41:00 PM
Did someone just red pill MSNBC or at least JS ?

 ‘Shocking to hear from MSNBC’: Joe Scarborough lets Al Sharpton and others know Dem-run cities are ‘out of control’
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/11/24/shocking-to-hear-from-msnbc-joe-scarborough-lets-al-sharpton-and-others-know-dem-run-cities-are-out-of-control/

But wait! There's more!

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/11/24/nyt-video-democratdominated-states-are-the-problem-n2599632
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: MechAg94 on November 24, 2021, 09:08:43 PM
But wait! There's more!

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/11/24/nyt-video-democratdominated-states-are-the-problem-n2599632
I am sure they have a plan to fix it.  More Govt Regulation and Spending.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 24, 2021, 10:31:42 PM
 :rofl:

talking to your leftist about rittenhouse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOUrwTEZAjU
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 25, 2021, 12:58:24 AM
I am sure they have a plan to fix it.  More Govt Regulation and Spending.

If that means re-funding the police and going back to that old, boomer tradition of regulating crime, that might just be crazy enough to work. Right now the Left is deregulating crime, and trying to outlaw everything else. Guess that's what happens after a few decades of calling good evil, and evil good.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 25, 2021, 06:54:48 AM
I'm dying here  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

RITTENHOUSE FOUND NOT GUILTY!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpHuRO1QXgw

The Legend of Kyle Rittenhouse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBtBy4nJ_P0
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 25, 2021, 07:13:29 AM
Almost amazed YT hasn't shut them down.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 25, 2021, 09:51:00 AM
Rittenhouse trial demonstrates the need for the rule of law:

https://www.newsweek.com/rittenhouse-trial-reminded-america-why-we-need-rule-law-opinion-1652011

Unfortunately, it is Newsweek, so most of the comments are straight out of the loony bin.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 25, 2021, 09:54:31 AM
Rittenhouse trial demonstrates the need for the rule of law:

https://www.newsweek.com/rittenhouse-trial-reminded-america-why-we-need-rule-law-opinion-1652011

Unfortunately, it is Newsweek, so most of the comments are straight out of the loony bin.

WWOOOO AWHOOOO AWWOOOOOOOWOOOOWOOOOO
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 25, 2021, 11:34:41 AM
Rittenhouse trial demonstrates the need for the rule of law:

https://www.newsweek.com/rittenhouse-trial-reminded-america-why-we-need-rule-law-opinion-1652011

Unfortunately, it is Newsweek, so most of the comments are straight out of the loony bin.

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We saw these qualities on display in the trial. Rather than wishing that principles of justice did not apply to Rittenhouse, we should mourn that they didn't extend farther—to those who were shot in the police confrontations precipitating last summer's unrest.

Like the Blake guy whose shooting spawned the riots Rittenhouse responded to. I'm sure I don't have to remind members here that Blake was shot by the police because he was resisting arrest while armed with a knife -- which he refused to relinquish when ordered to do so.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 25, 2021, 04:29:23 PM
My sig line on another forum

There are criminals among us who are both homicidal and incorrigible. Their parents took a shot at civilizing them and failed. Their school teachers took a shot at them and failed. The odds are overwhelming that government welfare programs and penal institutions took a shot at them and failed. If it ever becomes your turn to take a shot at them, don’t fail.

Fits here IMHO
For the life of me I can't remember where it came from.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on November 25, 2021, 06:53:30 PM
Kinda long-winded... Here's the South St. Louis City version...
 
"Stay strapped, or get clapped."
 
Had a couple of customers in my store today. Nice, fine upstanding young men, polite, paid attention to the car guys. Were in several times, because they were working on a project.
 
And they were happy to make sure that the stendo that one was carrying, and the other guy's poorly-belted firearm were concealed when asked to do so... Boomsticks tend to scare the "gentrified" customers.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: bedlamite on November 26, 2021, 11:04:10 AM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/24/oklahoma-lawmaker-files-kyles-law-compensate-victims-malicious-prosecution/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: HankB on November 26, 2021, 11:38:14 AM
. . . make sure that the stendo that one was carrying . . .
Learned a new slang word today - thanks.   ;)
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on November 26, 2021, 11:30:00 PM
No prob... They like the sticks.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on November 26, 2021, 11:30:55 PM
Oh, and the conversation went something like "Guys, that scares the hipsters - concealed is concealed, okay?"
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ben on November 27, 2021, 07:09:15 PM
Looks like Marjorie Taylor Greene is becoming the Rashida Tlaib of the republican party. I mean, this is pretty, how you say, cuckoo.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/27/this-is-profoundly-ridiculous-rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-wants-to-award-kyle-rittenhouse-the-congressional-gold-medal/
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ron on November 27, 2021, 08:04:00 PM
Loonies and grifters populate both sides of the uniparty.

It's all part of the show.


 
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: WLJ on November 27, 2021, 08:14:44 PM
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 27, 2021, 09:19:23 PM
Looks like Marjorie Taylor Greene is becoming the Rashida Tlaib of the republican party. I mean, this is pretty, how you say, cuckoo.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/27/this-is-profoundly-ridiculous-rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-wants-to-award-kyle-rittenhouse-the-congressional-gold-medal/

What's the counterargument?
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Ron on November 27, 2021, 09:29:37 PM
What's the counterargument?
Wiki
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It is Congress's highest expression of national appreciation for distinguished achievements and contributions by individuals or institutions.[1] The congressional practice of issuing gold medals to occasionally honor recipients from the military began during the American Revolution. Later the practice extended to individuals in all walks of life and in the late 20th century also to groups. The Congressional Gold Medal and the Presidential Medal of Freedom are the highest civilian awards in the United States.[2] The congressional medal seeks to honor those, individually or as a group, "who have performed an achievement that has an impact on American history and culture that is likely to be recognized as a major achievement in the recipient's field long after the achievement."[3]

Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 27, 2021, 09:33:02 PM
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The congressional medal seeks to honor those, individually or as a group, "who have performed an achievement that has an impact on American history and culture that is likely to be recognized as a major achievement in the recipient's field long after the achievement."

That sounds like our boy.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Bogie on November 27, 2021, 09:51:16 PM
He missed one.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: zahc on November 27, 2021, 10:50:39 PM
Yeah but two out of three ain't bad.
Title: Re: Rittenhouse trial
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 27, 2021, 11:58:56 PM
MTG is obviously trolling the Left, with predictably screechy results.

Part of me wants everyone to leave the kid alone.

Part of me wants him to get the medal just so I can watch heads explode.