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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Lennyjoe on September 29, 2021, 06:43:10 PM
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Just received our company email outlining the mandate to get vax’d by 8 December or face termination. Since we work on government contracts it’s non-negotiable.
Covered employees must be fully vaccinated by December 8, 2021, unless a disability or religious accommodation has been approved. If you decide not to get vaccinated and you don’t have an approved accommodation, then you will be unable to continue working on or supporting covered federal government contracts and you will eventually be subject to progressive discipline, up to and including termination.
So there you have it. So much for the whole “my body, my choice” argument that the Left uses to fight abortion arguments.
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My plant manager just sent out an email today saying we have to load their Vaccine Digital Wallet on our cell phones and use it to upload our vaccine cards; then check a little box that we consent to them sharing the data with a company called TrustAssure that supposedly validates it. This is reiterating something that came from HR over Labor Day weekend. (I already replied "I will not comply" to HR, and never heard anything back from it)
I have been vaccinated, and I have the little card. I emailed my boss that will not do any of their digital wallet bullshit; I will show him or his boss (and just them) my card if they want to see it, but I'll be disappointed that they didn't take my word for it.* And they don't get to make a copy of it. I asked him if I should reply to the plant manager and tell him all this, or just ignore it and run the clock out. (I'm retiring in a few months. I'm also on the "essential employees" list so I am somewhat exempt from the mandates for now) Someone has to say "No".
Their app doesn't work anyway; a bunch of folks have complained about spending hours trying to upload their data.
*Boss remembers how much hassle I went thru to get the vaccine when I was taking care of my parents in Texas, although it wasn't available at all in Minnesota at the time and the department joked about me going to Texas just to get it. As far as I know, Minnesota does not even know that I'm vaccinated.
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Even though I’m vax’d, I’m totally against the mandate and will go no farther than “I’m vaccinated” verbally. If it goes beyond that I’ll re-evaluate my employment with them
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I got the first two shots in January, but now they're saying the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine tapers off after eight months so we should get a booster. I've read enough horror stories about side effects from the third jab that I don't think I want it.
I also have NO idea where my vaccination card is.
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https://www.npr.org/2021/09/29/1041500566/vaccine-mandate-quit-research?utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR3JEwRxiN_rzH9kejWPrhCwPsjhamhGnuLqV-CdZDZgKmD5KBR-usS_ww8
Most people don't actually quit.
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https://www.npr.org/2021/09/29/1041500566/vaccine-mandate-quit-research?utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR3JEwRxiN_rzH9kejWPrhCwPsjhamhGnuLqV-CdZDZgKmD5KBR-usS_ww8
Most people don't actually quit.
Why should I believe National Propaganda Radio? Why should I believe polls which have been shown time and time again to be lies? Why should I believe any of the msm excrement you continuously post?
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Why should I believe National Propaganda Radio? Why should I believe polls which have been shown time and time again to be lies? Why should I believe any of the msm excrement you continuously post?
QFT.
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https://www.npr.org/2021/09/29/1041500566/vaccine-mandate-quit-research?utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR3JEwRxiN_rzH9kejWPrhCwPsjhamhGnuLqV-CdZDZgKmD5KBR-usS_ww8
Most people don't actually quit.
Let's assume that is true. They don't quit, but they do now hate their employer and will look for ways to screw them over. And not without good reason. Is that really what Management wants?
One reason I'm retiring early is I am getting tired of constantly being reminded by Corporate that they think of us as expenses rather than assets. I know that already, they just keep pointing it out over an over as a show of disrespect. I expect my leaving to start a chain reaction of retirements of all the skilled people in the next year or so. I don't have such a high opinion of myself and I know anybody can be replaced -- but it will take them 5 years to train someone and there is nobody to do the training. Over 3/4 of my department is in the same boat; the only one left doing critical work with unique knowledge (here comes the punchline) and retirement eligible. 20 years of mismanagement coming home to roost. Should be glorious. :lol:
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Why should I believe National Propaganda Radio? Why should I believe polls which have been shown time and time again to be lies? Why should I believe any of the msm excrement you continuously post?
You probably shouldn't believe anything not within the scope of your own perceptions.
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Let's assume that is true. They don't quit, but they do now hate their employer and will look for ways to screw them over. And not without good reason. Is that really what Management wants?
One reason I'm retiring early is I am getting tired of constantly being reminded by Corporate that they think of us as expenses rather than assets. I know that already, they just keep pointing it out over an over as a show of disrespect. I expect my leaving to start a chain reaction of retirements of all the skilled people in the next year or so. I don't have such a high opinion of myself and I know anybody can be replaced -- but it will take them 5 years to train someone and there is nobody to do the training. Over 3/4 of my department is in the same boat; the only one left doing critical work with unique knowledge (here comes the punchline) and retirement eligible. 20 years of mismanagement coming home to roost. Should be glorious. :lol:
You need to do better. Corporate finally pissed off my dad enough in 1979 that he quit. And this was a corporate that had come to expect stuff from him that would be insta jail today. So he quit, but so did all but about 2-3 of the 40 person shop, he had found them all new jobs. Middle fingers should be prominent.
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My employer hasn't mentioned requiring the vaccine, but I heard a company my site deals with may do so, and they might try to apply that to anyone going through their guard shack. We'll see.
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My company came out with vax mandate maybe 2 months ago. Our customer (.gov) is following the administration's policy, so ours has morphed to follow .gov's. They're not talking about firing people -- yet -- but I'm sure that it will come down to it.
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We are a federal contractor but our owners are religious to the point that I don’t know if they do vaccines. A lot of our northern VA job sites will require vax. Which led to a crap tornado when HR girl cold called everyone last week and asked if they had it or did they plan to get it. Insta torches and pitchforks. The owner had to talk us all down from looting and pillage. No plan to mandate it but since customers require it we need to know who can we send to job sites. As one of probably three that have it I can just feel the giant green weenie aiming at me. Gotta be worth at least $5/hr more now right?
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Welp, just read an e-mail that all employees have to be vaccinated by February 2022 (or get an accommodation) or they're subject to discipline under the company's code of business conduct. I'm assuming that that means up to termination.
If anyone didn't get an exception under the old vaccine guidelines, they have until October 11 to be fully vaxed, get an exception, or face the code of business conduct.
I suspect that at least one of my coworkers is going to fight it tooth and nail the whole way and will end up leaving the company.
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My plant manager just sent out an email today saying we have to load their Vaccine Digital Wallet on our cell phones and use it to upload our vaccine cards; then check a little box that we consent to them sharing the data with a company called TrustAssure that supposedly validates it . . .
Is the company providing the cell phones? If not, by what right are they asserting partial ownership of the employee's own private property? What if the employee doesn't have a cell, or uses an older one or a cheapie (basic flip phone) that won't run their app? How is this requirement compatible with HIPPA?
FWIW, I've been vaccinated - my choice. And being retired, I didn't have an employer looking over my shoulder.
But I find these vax mandates and the heavy-handed enforcement odious, grotesque, and downright un-American.
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https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/workforce/8-states-cities-requiring-covid-19-vaccination-for-healthcare-workers.html
Hundreds of thousands of healthcare employees have been subject to vaccine mandates for months now. Here in Washington, the drop dead date is October 18th. No vaccine, no religious or medical exemption, you are not working.
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Is the company providing the cell phones? If not, by what right are they asserting partial ownership of the employee's own private property? What if the employee doesn't have a cell, or uses an older one or a cheapie (basic flip phone) that won't run their app? How is this requirement compatible with HIPPA?
FWIW, I've been vaccinated - my choice. And being retired, I didn't have an employer looking over my shoulder.
But I find these vax mandates and the heavy-handed enforcement odious, grotesque, and downright un-American.
I told my boss all this in the email. He said I'm not the only one who objected to being told to load their software on my personal phone, and there's a way to upload the data using my company-supplied laptop instead. Regarding the Protected Health Information, he agrees with me and will be raising that issue today at his weekly managers' meeting.
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I told my boss all this in the email. He said I'm not the only one who objected to being told to load their software on my personal phone, and there's a way to upload the data using my company-supplied laptop instead. Regarding the Protected Health Information, he agrees with me and will be raising that issue today at his weekly managers' meeting.
Wait... It's your personal phone? Are you reimbursed for its use at work? If not, tell them the only way you will load that damnable program on a phone is if they supply the phone. Otherwise, your personal property is off limits.
Or you could insist that you will load their program on your personal phone the moment they let you put your webcam in their personal living room.
Brad
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You probably shouldn't believe anything not within the scope of your own perceptions.
And should probably have a healthy dose of skepticism about those as well . . . .
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Wait... It's your personal phone? Are you reimbursed for its use at work? If not, tell them the only way you will load that damnable program on a phone is if they supply the phone. Otherwise, your personal property is off limits.
I am disappointed that anyone agrees to do that. Very few people seem to have any problem with it. =|
I told my boss if they give me a company phone, I'll load the software and test the user interface as far as I can without loading my personal data; I assume there are standard test images for that. My phone is off-limits unless they want to reimburse me for my data plan for the year (several hundred dollars)
It'll be interesting to see what he says after their management meeting today
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I loaded my company's emergency notification app onto my phone. It's how the company reaches out to employees in emergency situations, and how employees let the company know that they're safe and well in the event of a natural disaster. Guiven what happened in Tennessee at Christmas, and the recent hurricane strike on New Orleans, it's provide its worth as far as I'm concerned.
It also became the primary tool for vaccination recording, and it allows me to get in touch with the other members of my team even if I don't have their phone numbers in my contacts.
My company is also my cell phone service provider, and I get a SUBSTANTIAL discount because of that. So, I don't have much in the way of issues with loading the app on my phone.
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I loaded Slack on my phone so coworkers can contact me and I can get my messages while I'm on the road. But I chose to do that, nobody told me I had to, and that makes a difference.
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I am expected to be reachable 24/7 by phone, email, or text for urgent risk management matters. The company does not issue cell phones so I do this on my personal phone, realizing the risk that my phone may be subpoenaed and searched in the context of a malpractice or other legal matter. I accept that minimal risk.
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My company came out with vax mandate maybe 2 months ago. Our customer (.gov) is following the administration's policy, so ours has morphed to follow .gov's. They're not talking about firing people -- yet -- but I'm sure that it will come down to it.
Yep, we have contracts supporting .gov so our company is following the lead of the .gov mandate
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So far no indication of a vax mandate at my employer. They do require visitors (except from other company divisions) to show proof of vax, no exceptions. I won’t be surprised to see a mandate eventually, but that’s likely a ways away.
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FWIW HIPPA, in general, doesn't apply to employers. So an employer asking for a Vax card is not a HIPPA issue, and in that context the card is not PHI.
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Correct. If your employer called your doctor to see if you were vaccinated and the doctor answered, that would be a violation.
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I just made a passable fake. It's not like the stupid things are hard to copy, and the vax lot and expiration dates are easy to find. Worked for one round of international travel and the mask police at the Judas Priest concert couldn't tell/didn't care.
Short of the violent conflict both sides are just begging for, I find the best option is to make fun of the whole stupid mess.
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FWIW HIPPA, in general, doesn't apply to employers. So an employer asking for a Vax card is not a HIPPA issue, and in that context the card is not PHI.
HIPAA doesn't apply to employers, but it is still PHI. My employer pounds that into my head all the time, and I just had to take my annual mandatory refresher course on it. So I'm throwing it back at them; either it's sensitive data or it's not. They want to have it both ways
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"I just made a passable fake."
I've heard a rumor that someone at my company was walked out for providing fake vaccination credentials.
Doing the fake vaccine card is cowardly.
Either you have the balls to the stand up to and fight the power, or you're just a poser.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/30/us/california-vaccine-mandate-health-care.html
The data is showing that mandates seem to work in the healthcare industry.
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I just wish they were wallet size. The card I have is just a little too big to fit right.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/30/us/california-vaccine-mandate-health-care.html
The data is showing that mandates seem to work in the healthcare industry.
Yes, threatening people’s livelihoods is a great way to get them to fall in line. As is threatening their families and properties. Terrorism works.
But notice they won’t do jack *expletive deleted*it about forcing a mandate on welfare fucksticks. If I have to prove I’m vaccinated to work shouldn’t they have to prove they are vaccinated to get what I’m paying for with my taxes?
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"I just made a passable fake."
I've heard a rumor that someone at my company was walked out for providing fake vaccination credentials.
Doing the fake vaccine card is cowardly.
Either you have the balls to the stand up to and fight the power, or you're just a poser.
A fake vaccine card is standing up to and fighting the power.
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A fake vaccine card is standing up to and fighting the power.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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But notice they won’t do jack *expletive deleted*it about forcing a mandate on welfare fucksticks. If I have to prove I’m vaccinated to work shouldn’t they have to prove they are vaccinated to get what I’m paying for with my taxes?
You have my vote. ETA: Now that I think more about this concept, I wonder why some conservative governor somewhere has not issued a mandate in this regard. You would think it would be popular. I wonder if there is some legal issue that would prevent this.
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I am expected to be reachable 24/7 by phone, email, or text for urgent risk management matters. The company does not issue cell phones so I do this on my personal phone, realizing the risk that my phone may be subpoenaed and searched in the context of a malpractice or other legal matter. I accept that minimal risk.
Good case for a cheap burner phone from Walmart.
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Yes, threatening people’s livelihoods is a great way to get them to fall in line. As is threatening their families and properties. Terrorism works.
But notice they won’t do jack *expletive deleted*it about forcing a mandate on welfare fucksticks. If I have to prove I’m vaccinated to work shouldn’t they have to prove they are vaccinated to get what I’m paying for with my taxes?
Shouldn't illegal aliens grabbed by INS down by the Mexican border have to prove they're vaccinated before they're released into the USA?*
* - trick question, they should only be released back into Mexico.
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Shouldn't illegal aliens grabbed by INS down by the Mexican border have to prove they're vaccinated before they're released into the USA?*
* - trick question, they should only be released back into Mexico.
Didn't you hear? They are not planning on staying here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRKISbnpi_s
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Yes, threatening people’s livelihoods is a great way to get them to fall in line. As is threatening their families and properties. Terrorism works.
But notice they won’t do jack *expletive deleted*it about forcing a mandate on welfare fucksticks. If I have to prove I’m vaccinated to work shouldn’t they have to prove they are vaccinated to get what I’m paying for with my taxes?
Indeed it does. On some.
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You probably shouldn't believe anything not within the scope of your own perceptions.
Yeah, and?
One of our own last year said
"I'm glad that, if we had to have a plague, it arrived at a time when Americans' trust in our institutions is at an all-time high. At a time when we could trust Big Medicine to science impartially, instead of changing basic facts of human biology for political reasons. At a time when news organizations are clearly committed to ethics, integrity, and impartiality. At a time when no one could possibly have reason to be skeptical of official sources. At a time when both major political parties are clearly on the side of the citizenry. At least we can be thankful for that much."
Who does one trust, and why?
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Yes, threatening people’s livelihoods is a great way to get them to fall in line. As is threatening their families and properties. Terrorism works.
The most heinous atrocities must be committed in the guise of altruism. Nothing soothes the conscience like telling people it is for their own good.
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"I just made a passable fake."
I've heard a rumor that someone at my company was walked out for providing fake vaccination credentials.
Doing the fake vaccine card is cowardly.
Either you have the balls to the stand up to and fight the power, or you're just a poser.
Why is it cowardly for going to a concert and traveling? I should've demanded access and made a scene? Or I could make a mockery of the whole stupid thing and laugh at their pointless measures and enjoy some metal.
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When I read threads like this, it makes me glad that I'm retired and don't have to deal with this "excrement". :old: :rofl:
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When I read threads like this, it makes me glad that I'm retired and don't have to deal with this "excrement". :old: :rofl:
Until you want to go buy groceries.
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I'm sitting here wondering if/when the VA is going to require "the jab" if you want to enter their facilities for health care. It could easily happen...
[tinfoil] :old:
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I'm sitting here wondering if/when the VA is going to require "the jab" if you want to enter their facilities for health care. It could easily happen...
[tinfoil] :old:
The VA sent me a text message a couple of days ago asking if I want a booster. Boosters will be available mid-October.
Coincidentally, right about then I also saw a plethora or articles about people developing blood clots and dying within days (or hours) after getting a third jab of the Pfizer (which is what my VA hospital distributes). I think I'll take a pass this time around.
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I got both Maderna shots (last one in April) and I’m not interested in any boosters.
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Pfizer employees on natural immunity vs the vaccine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On5RYFbcxWY
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Pfizer employees on natural immunity vs the vaccine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On5RYFbcxWY
Project Veritas actually identified those employees. I wonder how long it took Pfizer to terminate them?
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Project Veritas actually identified those employees. I wonder how long it took Pfizer to terminate them?
I usually give Project Veritas a thumbs up, but didn't like this one. Usually the employees (Google, friendface, etc.) are fully Kool-Aid saturated regarding what their employer is doing. These interviewed employees were more in the whistleblower category and should have been protected by Project Veritas.
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https://www.npr.org/2021/09/28/1041017591/getting-a-religious-exemption-to-a-vaccine-mandate-may-not-be-easy-heres-whyf
In our healthcare system, the majority of vaccine exemption requests are religious. The current plan is to initially grant the exemption requests and then HR, Legal, and Pastoral Care will audit them to see if they hold up. Employees with an exemption will likely be accommodated by weekly testing and continued use of PPE. The Washington state mandate for healthcare employees leaves exemptions and accommodations thereto up to the discretion of the employer. Some healthcare and other employers in Washington are granting exemptions but then firing the employee on the basis that the unique requirements of their job cannot be safely accommodated.
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https://www.npr.org/2021/09/28/1041017591/getting-a-religious-exemption-to-a-vaccine-mandate-may-not-be-easy-heres-whyf
In our healthcare system, the majority of vaccine exemption requests are religious. The current plan is to initially grant the exemption requests and then HR, Legal, and Pastoral Care will audit them to see if they hold up. Employees with an exemption will likely be accommodated by weekly testing and continued use of PPE. The Washington state mandate for healthcare employees leaves exemptions and accommodations thereto up to the discretion of the employer. Some healthcare and other employers in Washington are granting exemptions but then firing the employee on the basis that the unique requirements of their job cannot be safely accommodated.
Sounds like religious discrimination to me.
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https://www.npr.org/2021/09/28/1041017591/getting-a-religious-exemption-to-a-vaccine-mandate-may-not-be-easy-heres-whyf
In our healthcare system, the majority of vaccine exemption requests are religious. The current plan is to initially grant the exemption requests and then HR, Legal, and Pastoral Care will audit them to see if they hold up. Employees with an exemption will likely be accommodated by weekly testing and continued use of PPE. The Washington state mandate for healthcare employees leaves exemptions and accommodations thereto up to the discretion of the employer. Some healthcare and other employers in Washington are granting exemptions but then firing the employee on the basis that the unique requirements of their job cannot be safely accommodated.
That is what my department has done since the vax was available to anyone of working age. If you are vaxxed, you don't need to wear a mask. If you aren't vaxxed, you have to wear a mask anytime you are in the office, unless you are at your desk and not within 6' of anyone. In the field if you are within 6' of anyone outdoors and anytime you are inside at a business/residence/farm. Same if you are in a vehicle for work business with others.
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In our healthcare system, the majority of vaccine exemption requests are religious. The current plan is to initially grant the exemption requests and then HR, Legal, and Pastoral Care will audit them to see if they hold up.
How are they going to audit? How can they determine whether or not someone's religious belief is sincerely held?
Employees with an exemption will likely be accommodated by weekly testing and continued use of PPE. The Washington state mandate for healthcare employees leaves exemptions and accommodations thereto up to the discretion of the employer. Some healthcare and other employers in Washington are granting exemptions but then firing the employee on the basis that the unique requirements of their job cannot be safely accommodated.
So the PPE was safe and effective as long as everyone was using it, but it's not safe and effective if only people with exemptions are using it? That might be a tough sell before an honest judge (if you can find one).
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How are they going to audit? How can they determine whether or not someone's religious belief is sincerely held?
I can not speak for Millcreek's organization, but from the FRAGO I've seen for DOD, requests for religious exemption have to go through a Command Chaplain who conducts an interview with the soldier requesting an exemption, looks at the soldiers immunization history, and then makes a recommendation to the approving authority on whether or not to approve the request.
So, Yes, they are going try and determine if it's a sincere belief or an excuse, as well as (I think) if the person is correctly interpreting what they claim is their faith.
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Until you want to go buy groceries.
Fortunately, the two women in my life (in matriarchy - mother and g'mother) were tight-fisted and frugal to an extreme and they taught me well.
My grandmother left Illinois at 16 and went to NYC for work. And this was about the time of the U.S. getting into WW1 and the "Spanish" flu. Then she survived the Depression, taking care of her husband and daughter, saving enough for that daughter to go to college.
These women also taught me to be "independent" in many other areas. I cook, occasionally from scratch, more frequently by modifying bought products, I do my own laundry and cleaning (just not as much as my mother THINKS I should!), and I can even run a sewing machine to hem up my pants or patch certain areas. I really thank my grandmother for that.
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https://www.bizjournals.com/portland/news/2021/09/29/oregon-vaccine-exemptions-rejections.html?utm_source=st&utm_medium=en&utm_campaign=nch&ana=e_n
According to this, one of our colleague healthcare systems in Oregon is being accused of a blanket denial of religious and most medical exemption requests.
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https://www.bizjournals.com/portland/news/2021/09/29/oregon-vaccine-exemptions-rejections.html?utm_source=st&utm_medium=en&utm_campaign=nch&ana=e_n
According to this, one of our colleague healthcare systems in Oregon is being accused of a blanket denial of religious and most medical exemption requests.
I hope they get the *expletive deleted*ck sued out of them
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Fortunately, the two women in my life (in matriarchy - mother and g'mother) were tight-fisted and frugal to an extreme and they taught me well.
My grandmother left Illinois at 16 and went to NYC for work. And this was about the time of the U.S. getting into WW1 and the "Spanish" flu. Then she survived the Depression, taking care of her husband and daughter, saving enough for that daughter to go to college.
These women also taught me to be "independent" in many other areas. I cook, occasionally from scratch, more frequently by modifying bought products, I do my own laundry and cleaning (just not as much as my mother THINKS I should!), and I can even run a sewing machine to hem up my pants or patch certain areas. I really thank my grandmother for that.
Sounds like you'll make some woman a good little wife someday. ;)
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Sounds like you'll make some woman a good little wife someday. ;)
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You sound like you're in the market, Hank... :rofl:
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The actual, official memo mandating the vaccine for DOD civilians got to my level today. Gonna be an emotional event for some folks in the next two weeks.
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The actual, official memo mandating the vaccine for DOD civilians got to my level today. Gonna be an emotional event for some folks in the next two weeks.
I'd be surprised if the Governor of Iowa issues an order than all state employees need to be vaccinated or take weekly covid tests. If she does, I'm going to make a lot of popcorn, the shitshow will be epic if people decide that this is the hill they chose to die on.
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Sounds like you'll make some woman a good little wife someday. ;)
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I was married for about 8 years in the 80s, and she was both a good cook and friend. Unfortunately, we found out after our divorce that she had been an undiagnosed manic-depressive and this may have contributed to our split.
A few years later, I entered into a LTR for almost 16 years. It was unfortunate that she was not nearly as helpful as my wife had been as she left me with an inordinate share of the chores in and around the house and yard.
Both have since passed away and I have been "baching it" for 15 years, so, as you see, I have to take care of everything.