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Title: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 02, 2021, 10:22:08 PM
My question is about alternative frames for Glock handguns, that have a different grip angle than the Glock-brand Glock. The question is, how can they use Glock magazines? I would think the change in angle would make it necessary to use a different magazine. Or a change in the slide, barrel, lockwork, etc. But apparently not. What is this devilry?
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: dogmush on October 03, 2021, 07:13:50 AM
You can adjust the grip angle a couple of degrees and keep the mag angle the same by playing with how much frame material, and it's  shape, is in front and behind the magwell. You can also move the grip a little in relation to the feed ramp and barrel to get some wiggle room.

The differences are all pretty small. So it's not the crazy enginerding it might seem at first.
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: lee n. field on October 03, 2021, 10:02:17 AM
Any one in particular you're looking at?
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 03, 2021, 10:14:40 AM
Any one in particular you're looking at?

Polymer 80
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: dogmush on October 04, 2021, 07:11:36 AM
If you have any specific  questions, let me know. I have 4 P80's, and one of them is my main run and gun pistol, so I use it pretty  hard.
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: MechAg94 on October 04, 2021, 10:47:10 AM
I have heard P80 frames have a slightly different grip angle.  Not the same as a 1911, but sort of halfway between that and a standard Glock.  Maybe it is just some frames.

I have looked around a little for Glock 20/21 frames, but I am not sure anyone makes them.  With Springfield releasing their new compact 10mm, I may look at that.
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 06, 2021, 01:08:08 AM
If you have any specific  questions, let me know. I have 4 P80's, and one of them is my main run and gun pistol, so I use it pretty  hard.

By run and gun you mean for competition, or defensive shooting classes or?
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: dogmush on October 06, 2021, 05:11:30 AM
By run and gun you mean for competition, or defensive shooting classes or?

Defensive shooting classes and my ranges weekly combo shooting/obstacle course competition. I'm on my 5th case of 9mm for the year, and 90% of that went through my one P80.
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: Big Hairy Bee on October 06, 2021, 11:31:33 AM
I just picked up a Shadow Systems DR920 (G17) and use the straighter backstrap.  Points much better for me as I naturally point low with Glocks.   This is more of a 1911 feel.
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: bedlamite on October 06, 2021, 03:09:56 PM
I have looked around a little for Glock 20/21 frames, but I am not sure anyone makes them.  With Springfield releasing their new compact 10mm, I may look at that.

https://www.armorally.com/shop/polymer80-pf45-pistol-frame-kit/

I picked one up a while back when they were on sale, but I haven't found a parts kit for it yet. Everyone is sold out. I've got a 6" 10mm slide waiting.
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: dogmush on October 06, 2021, 03:11:22 PM
I have a 10mm P80.  It's fun, but as bedlamite said, parts are hard to get.
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 06, 2021, 04:54:18 PM
Defensive shooting classes and my ranges weekly combo shooting/obstacle course competition. I'm on my 5th case of 9mm for the year, and 90% of that went through my one P80.

Cool. That's the kind of thing I was hoping to do with my P80. Still buying parts.
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: MechAg94 on October 06, 2021, 05:55:42 PM
https://www.armorally.com/shop/polymer80-pf45-pistol-frame-kit/

I picked one up a while back when they were on sale, but I haven't found a parts kit for it yet. Everyone is sold out. I've got a 6" 10mm slide waiting.
Thank You.  I have a G20 and G21.  I will have to see what if anything is different.
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: MechAg94 on October 06, 2021, 05:59:03 PM
I just picked up a Shadow Systems DR920 (G17) and use the straighter backstrap.  Points much better for me as I naturally point low with Glocks.   This is more of a 1911 feel.
I thought the 1911 was closer to square or a 90 degree angle than the Glock.  When I point a Glock and look, the front sight is high.

https://progunleaders.org/Grip/
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The 1911 grip angle (all 1911 variants, Springfield XD, etc.) is more nearly square to the slide (about 18 degrees off square), while the Glock grip angle (Luger, Steyr M series, H&K P7, Ruger Mk II, etc.) is more raked (about 22 degrees off square).
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: lee n. field on October 06, 2021, 06:40:23 PM
I always wonder if that's something folks genuinely have a problem with, or another example of Internet gunnies tendency to be fussy, obsessive and argumentative.
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: Big Hairy Bee on October 07, 2021, 11:47:20 AM
I thought the 1911 was closer to square or a 90 degree angle than the Glock.  When I point a Glock and look, the front sight is high.

https://progunleaders.org/Grip/

Must be remembering it backwards--it's been a while since I Glocked.  and I'm old...
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: French G. on October 07, 2021, 12:30:36 PM
I always wonder if that's something folks genuinely have a problem with, or another example of Internet gunnies tendency to be fussy, obsessive and argumentative.

9mm vs .45 all over again. Pick the gun up and shoot it. People are way too dramatic in all aspects of life. I am a horrible shot right now, I get to shoot maybe four times a year. No time and no ammo. Went to a bowling pin shoot last month with two differently gripped glocks, 3 1911s all different, and a revolver. Won half the strings I shot, second in the rest. See the target, hit it. Thatís why I always excelled shooting matches in horrible weather and set personal bests running 5ks in the rain. Everyone else invests in crying about the weather. Sucks for everyone, do the job.
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: MechAg94 on October 07, 2021, 12:59:44 PM
I always wonder if that's something folks genuinely have a problem with, or another example of Internet gunnies tendency to be fussy, obsessive and argumentative.
I own Glocks.  I can shoot them.  I am just used to the 1911 grip angle and most of my pistols use that angle.  So when I aim a Glock, there is always that split second where I have to readjust the front sight a little.  If all I shot was Glock, I am sure I would adjust. 
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: dogmush on October 07, 2021, 01:06:03 PM
I find the grip angle issue only rears up at the edge of performance.  When I am trying to get the Draw-Fire-A-zone hit down to .8 sec from .95 sec being used to the grip angle matters.  I can train for either, but I need to be on the one I've been working on for best results.

Trying to get a hit in under 1.5sec?  Yeah whatever battlefield pickup I have can probably make that happen.
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 07, 2021, 05:27:29 PM
9mm vs .45 all over again. Pick the gun up and shoot it. People are way too dramatic in all aspects of life. I am a horrible shot right now, I get to shoot maybe four times a year. No time and no ammo. Went to a bowling pin shoot last month with two differently gripped glocks, 3 1911s all different, and a revolver. Won half the strings I shot, second in the rest. See the target, hit it. Thatís why I always excelled shooting matches in horrible weather and set personal bests running 5ks in the rain. Everyone else invests in crying about the weather. Sucks for everyone, do the job.

I used to like a little rain while I was running. Back when I used to run.

The day I qualified with the M16 at Fort Benning, it was raining, and I ended up lying prone in about a half-inch of standing water. Most fun I'd had in weeks.

Yeah, I don't complain about the weather. Unless it gets above 60...
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: Battle Monkey of Zardoz on October 07, 2021, 05:45:27 PM
I have heard P80 frames have a slightly different grip angle.  Not the same as a 1911, but sort of halfway between that and a standard Glock.  Maybe it is just some frames.

I have looked around a little for Glock 20/21 frames, but I am not sure anyone makes them.  With Springfield releasing their new compact 10mm, I may look at that.

Look at Lonewolf Timberwolf frames. I purchased on 2 years ago for my Glock 20. Full size frame, all internals. Been pretty happy with it. No issues.
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: brimic on October 08, 2021, 09:39:40 AM
I used to think grip angle was a thing- itís not. If you can shoot a 1911 well, youíll shoot a Glock well too.
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: MechAg94 on October 08, 2021, 10:41:54 AM
IMO, it is a preference thing and not a show stopper by any means. 

However, there are so many quality firearms choices on the market these days that you can indulge your preferences and still get a good pistol.
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 12, 2021, 09:46:24 PM
Speaking of Glocks, some gun store folks made a whole video about how a bunch of their new gun buyers were bringing their guns back to exchange for something else. They said the most common reason was that they had purchased a Glock just because they know Glocks are super-duper guns used by everyone, and didn't realize there was no manual safety. Or they just couldn't get comfortable without a safety.

I guess it had never occurred to me before that people would either buy without knowing about the safety thing, or would change their minds about the need for a safety right off the bat.
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: French G. on October 12, 2021, 11:10:01 PM
I lol'd from the moment I bought a glock back in 2001 at the "safety." It is very much not a gun for casual users. You ought to know what you are doing to either not shoot yourself or to use it effectively. The re-holstering under stress and the pull bang switch to disassemble are the two glock weak points. Other than that the four rules covers you.
Title: Re: Question on Glock grip angle, magazines
Post by: MechAg94 on October 12, 2021, 11:14:35 PM
I imagine that new gun people are going on advice from others and just don't have firm opinions on any of it.  Probably never thought to research things much either. 

I can see that if someone isn't carrying the gun and just has it in the house or nearby, the fear of bumping the trigger is not completely unfounded.  If I am carrying, I don't think about a safety as the holster takes care of that.  If I just have one on the desk nearby, I prefer a double action trigger.  The 1911 is the only one where I depend on a traditional safety.  I was also thinking many gun people have taught themselves a measure of trigger discipline which helps with being comfortable with the striker fired trigger.  Some non-gun people also get confused by the whole loaded magazine versus loaded chamber issue because they don't practice or never got taught.


French G. summed it up concisely.  The striker fired pistol with no safety probably isn't the best gun for beginners without some instruction and practice.