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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ron on October 10, 2021, 09:54:58 AM
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News is reporting multiple reasons why ...
Yet, I've heard reports "Jacksonville Center ATC controllers walked out last night over the vaccine mandate. Shut the whole thing down.
If the controllers walked out last night then our news media is censoring that information.
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Wouldn't a walk-out affect everything flying out of there? If other carriers are facing the same thing, that would be evidence that controllers potentially walked out.
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Wouldn't a walk-out affect everything flying out of there? If other carriers are facing the same thing, that would be evidence that controllers potentially walked out.
https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/duval-county/flight-delays-blamed-limited-staffing-jacksonville-air-traffic-control-center-weather/OHOVJKKIHNHOHBNKHVVBZA34YI/
I figured I could get better info here at APS instead of believing the media!
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Jamis is on FB. You could message him and ask if he heard anything.
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I wonder how a walkout or strike by air traffic controllers TODAY would fare, compared to the PATCO strike during the Reagan administration.
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I wonder how a walkout or strike by air traffic controllers TODAY would fare, compared to the PATCO strike during the Reagan administration.
They are just expendable employees, probably mostly white males anyway, just fill the slots with H1B/diversity hires. Problem solved.
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Jamis is on FB. You could message him and ask if he heard anything.
Almost a year since I deactivated my account.
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Wouldn't a walk-out affect everything flying out of there? If other carriers are facing the same thing, that would be evidence that controllers potentially walked out.
Yes, all airlines would be affected. I have not heard anything from my company about cancellations to Flori-duh for any reason.
It looks to me like Southwest had a pilot sick-out, and JAX ATC is short-staffed, but there wasn't a controller walk-out AFAIK.
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The source was Jack Posobiec on Twitter, couldn't find much out there about it in regular media.
Did they say what the "sick out" was protesting?
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^^^I bet that all sick-outs these days are due to vaccine mandates.
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Hmmm
May be related or may not be. Also something about American Air
Two Amtrak trains canceled on Sunday due to ‘unforeseen crew issues’
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/10/10/two-amtrak-trains-canceled-on-sunday-due-to-unforeseen-crew-issues/
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Jamis says there was no ATC walkout, just the normal levels of short staffing and weather delays.
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Jamis says there was no ATC walkout, just the normal levels of short staffing and weather delays.
(https://www.memesmonkey.com/images/memesmonkey/db/db5960215c94c49608f92e7c8f98f4fe.jpeg)
Nurses, now pilots. Can't wait until national carriers try and pull some fuckery with truckers.
*fat fingered spelling
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. . . Nurses, now pilots. Can't wait until national carriers try and pull some fuckery with truckers.
Police, too.
I can't help wondering if Atlas is about to shrug . . .
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Police, too.
I can't help wondering if Atlas is about to shrug . . .
There may be other indications that it has already begun. We've discussed the inability of many places being able to hire people. might be an indicator of that rather than just folks too lazy to get off the government teat.
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Wishful thinking. Even if some folks are "shrugging", not enough, and not enough irreplaceable folks.
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Police, too.
I can't help wondering if Atlas is about to shrug . . .
Police here have already given up more or less unless it’s revenue generation or a high profile crime. The only thing somewhat keeping the peace is ordinary citizens haven’t realized that yet. The officers I talk to hate arresting the exact same people every week only for the judges to throw them right back out. There is no punishment for being a criminal in this day and time.
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Wishful thinking. Even if some folks are "shrugging", not enough, and not enough irreplaceable folks.
It started slow in Rand's book. I'm doing my part, are you?
=D
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Police here have already given up more or less unless it’s revenue generation or a high profile crime. The only thing somewhat keeping the peace is ordinary citizens haven’t realized that yet. The officers I talk to hate arresting the exact same people every week only for the judges to throw them right back out. There is no punishment for being a criminal in this day and time.
From what I have heard, minimum punishments have been happening for a good while. If they are going for zero punishment, that doesn't sound good for the future.
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I heard this story mentioned on the radio this morning. They didn't say anything about ATC walkouts. They talked about Southwest announcing vaccine mandates recently and a certain number of pilots and others deciding they didn't like that. They mentioned a pilots union, but no details. That radio show often gets stories half right so take it with a grain of salt.
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I heard this story mentioned on the radio this morning. They didn't say anything about ATC walkouts. They talked about Southwest announcing vaccine mandates recently and a certain number of pilots and others deciding they didn't like that. They mentioned a pilots union, but no details. That radio show often gets stories half right so take it with a grain of salt.
We are in the same position at my airline. Vaccines are mandated by Biden and enforced by the company. There are a bunch of pilots who are pushing back, but I think it is a losing battle to fight this mandate.
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We are in the same position at my airline. Vaccines are mandated by Biden and enforced by the company. There are a bunch of pilots who are pushing back, but I think it is a losing battle to fight this mandate.
Are they granting any medical or religious exemptions? Pilots have to be in good health, so I wouldn't expect any medical exemptions, but what about religious?
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Southwest pilots union says vaccine mandate not to blame for canceled flights
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/false-claims-southwest-pilots-vaccine-mandate-canceled-flights
The union hit at Southwest for the massive number of canceled flights, which continued into Monday. It said that while the problems were a “minor temporary event” for other airlines, Southwest was “devastated” because the company’s operation “has become brittle and subject to massive failures under the slightest pressure.”
The union also took Southwest to task for “putting profits ahead of people,” adding that SWAPA leadership has a meeting on Monday scheduled with Bob Waltz, the airline’s vice president of flight operations, to discuss the current issues and other monthslong complaints with the company.
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From what I have heard, minimum punishments have been happening for a good while. If they are going for zero punishment, that doesn't sound good for the future.
They are more or less. Good friend of mine had a bunch of stuff stolen multiple times. His cameras got clear video and he was able with community help to ID and track the mutt who of course had a long criminal record
He goes to the sherrif’s department they don’t care a bit. Another person on his Facebook thread about it said “Yeah we’ve had 100k worth of stuff stolen from us and they haven’t done anything about it”
My widowed mom asked three months ago about putting up cameras told her not to bother the police don’t care and if you are home no cameras mean no witnesses and nothing to betray your story when you engage them.
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Seems that some on the left are also reporting this as a vaccine walkout (also "domestic terrorists"). It'll be interesting to find out what's actually going on if it doesn't end up getting curated.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/10/11/being-this-dumb-should-be-painful-palmer-report-calls-striking-southwest-airlines-employees-domestic-terrorists-and-hello-backfire/
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Are they granting any medical or religious exemptions? Pilots have to be in good health, so I wouldn't expect any medical exemptions, but what about religious?
None granted yet, but the deadline to apply is this week. The company says that is an option, though.
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They are more or less. Good friend of mine had a bunch of stuff stolen multiple times. His cameras got clear video and he was able with community help to ID and track the mutt who of course had a long criminal record
He goes to the sherrif’s department they don’t care a bit. Another person on his Facebook thread about it said “Yeah we’ve had 100k worth of stuff stolen from us and they haven’t done anything about it”
My widowed mom asked three months ago about putting up cameras told her not to bother the police don’t care and if you are home no cameras mean no witnesses and nothing to betray your story when you engage them.
I know someone who works for the local Sheriff's Department. He had his truck broken into one night along with several others on his street. He talked to the a local deputy who knew who the likely suspects were plus the person left a flashlight in his truck with his name on it. The county DA prosecuted the guy but reduced the sentence if restitution was made. The thief made the first restitution payment then nothing more. He may have spent a week in the county jail then was let go. Pretty minimal punishment for a few theft and damage the homeowners won't get back.
Sounds like your situation is worse. I would say it is time to replace the Sheriff, but I don't know your local situation.
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And from the Palmer Report
This attempt by unvaccinated Southwest airline employees at crippling U.S. air travel is the latest reminder that it’s a very short distance from anti-vaxxer to domestic terrorist.
— Palmer Report (@PalmerReport) October 10, 2021
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/10/11/being-this-dumb-should-be-painful-palmer-report-calls-striking-southwest-airlines-employees-domestic-terrorists-and-hello-backfire/
Say Wut?
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And from the Palmer Report
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/10/11/being-this-dumb-should-be-painful-palmer-report-calls-striking-southwest-airlines-employees-domestic-terrorists-and-hello-backfire/
Say Wut?
I guess it means leftists were only pro-union when they were "fighting the establishment". Now that they are the establishment, they must suppress all dissent.
Remember some of them saying how Communism would work if they were in charge? :rofl:
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Weird: Many Southwest Planes Flying Banners Reading 'Let's Go Brandon'
https://babylonbee.com/news/weird-many-southwest-planes-flying-banners-reading-lets-go-brandon
Whatever the case, we can be assured that nothing is going on with Southwest's pilots, air traffic controllers, or any other members of their labor force. They're not on strike against any mandates or anything like that. That can't possibly be true because we haven't seen it on CNN yet.
Anyway, good for Southwest, and good for Brandon! Go, Brandon!
(https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-9674-1.jpg)
In other news.....
Southwest Airlines Offering Free Flights To All Passengers Who Are Vaccinated And Can Fly A Plane
https://babylonbee.com/news/southwest-airlines-offering-free-flights-to-all-passengers-who-are-vaccinated-and-can-fly-a-plane
The CEO then mentioned other skills that were not required, but beneficial: Experience calming herds of rabid, sleepless passengers, expertise in flying through mysterious, invisible weather events, and the ability to land the plane.
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"By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?" :rofl:
https://youtu.be/zXpFznXb_vI?t=37
(https://i.imgur.com/J544V2y.jpg?1)
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(https://c.tenor.com/GYK0gw2qlA4AAAAC/panicking-airplane-movie.gif)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBcxJKYX0AE8XqV?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/10/11/blame-the-weather-photo-of-gadsden-flag-hanging-from-a-certain-airlines-cockpit-window-is-making-the-rounds/
May or may not be an actual Southwest plane, but awesome if true.
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How does Abbots executive order banning vaccine mandates affect SW since they are based in Dallas?
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How does Abbots executive order banning vaccine mandates affect SW since they are based in Dallas?
I hope it will get them to rethink it. Not sure what consequences there will be to going against it (not sure about Biden's order either).
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Since this is related:
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/11/texas-greg-abbott-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott on Monday issued another executive order cracking down on COVID-19 vaccine mandates — this time banning any entity in Texas, including private businesses, from requiring vaccinations for employees or customers.
I guess it is just as good as Biden's executive order and Gov. Abbott probably has more valid emergency powers. Maybe it will give pause to companies who are thinking about a mandate. Or at least give them an excuse not to do it.
Local radio commented that Gov. Abbott seems to do whatever Gov. DeSantis does but a few weeks to a month later (at least with Covid stuff). Maybe some truth to that. =)
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Since this is related:
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/11/texas-greg-abbott-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/
I guess it is just as good as Biden's executive order and Gov. Abbott probably has more valid emergency powers. Maybe it will give pause to companies who are thinking about a mandate. Or at least give them an excuse not to do it.
Local radio commented that Gov. Abbott seems to do whatever Gov. DeSantis does but a few weeks to a month later (at least with Covid stuff). Maybe some truth to that. =)
Tangent, but the lefty pushback to this irritates me to no end, because their response is that Abbott, DeSantis, et. al, are "banning the vaccine", thus "murdering people". I can't fathom how stupid you have to be to believe that an order against forcing something is the same as banning something.
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Tangent, but the lefty pushback to this irritates me to no end, because their response is that Abbott, DeSantis, et. al, are "banning the vaccine", thus "murdering people". I can't fathom how stupid you have to be to believe that an order against forcing something is the same as banning something.
That response is consistent with their response to other things. And there will be a certain number of lefties who only see those news sources that will believe the vaccine was banned.
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It looks like Southwests staffing issues weren't related to a company wide walk out but due to unintended consequences.
I've read all the SW folks planning on not getting jabbed are trying to burn through vacation and sick days before they get fired in November.
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It looks like Southwests staffing issues weren't related to a company wide walk out but due to unintended consequences.
I've read all the SW folks planning on not getting jabbed are trying to burn through vacation and sick days before they get fired in November.
Effectively a pre-walkout before being thrown out. Assume everyone burning their leave now is preparing to walk. So, in present function and future effect, it was a company wide walk out.
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I'm not a fan of the mandates, and as the cheif executive of the state, telling .gov agencies (or at least state ones) they can't mandate a vaccine is appropriate and within his powers.
Telling private businesses what they can and can't do I don't like, regardless of which side of the vaccine issue the mandate is on.
Private businesses don't need government running their business.
And before anyone mentions a cake, "unvaccinated" is not a protected class under federal law.
Personally, I think Abbot, DeSantis, AND Biden are all well past their executive authorities. We have legislatures for a reason.
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I had to laugh this Tuesday morning. NBC was reporting the Southwest Airline thing as "Breaking News". I guess it took them 3 days to get the story straight.
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Effectively a pre-walkout before being thrown out. Assume everyone burning their leave now is preparing to walk. So, in present function and future effect, it was a company wide walk out.
Sort of an unorganized walk-out. That is interesting. They all know the company rules that take effect when they get fired.
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Tangent, but the lefty pushback to this irritates me to no end, because their response is that Abbott, DeSantis, et. al, are "banning the vaccine", thus "murdering people". I can't fathom how stupid you have to be to believe that an order against forcing something is the same as banning something.
They DON'T believe it - they're simply lying about it in the hopes that YOU will believe it.
It looks like Southwests staffing issues weren't related to a company wide walk out but due to unintended consequences.
I've read all the SW folks planning on not getting jabbed are trying to burn through vacation and sick days before they get fired in November.
Hmmm . . . at my old employer, unused vacation days had to be paid out if a person was terminated.
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They DON'T believe it - they're simply lying about it in the hopes that YOU will believe it.
Hmmm . . . at my old employer, unused vacation days had to be paid out if a person was terminated.
I would think that would be typical.
I took two weeks vacation before I put my resignation in at my last job. I used it to pack up the house and move things into storage.
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I got paid for unused vacation when I retired. But unused sick days were not. I burned up a good 60 days of sick time while malingering with my doctors collusion who gave me a good long extra recovery time to report to the short term disability outfit when I had my prostate surgery in 2015. I still had about a year of accrued sick time when I left that I didn't get compensated for.
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I got paid for unused vacation when I retired. But unused sick days were not. I burned up a good 60 days of sick time while malingering with my doctors collusion who gave me a good long extra recovery time to report to the short term disability outfit when I had my prostate surgery in 2015. I still had about a year of accrued sick time when I left that I didn't get compensated for.
A year plus 60 days of accrued sick time? Wow.
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Hmmm . . . at my old employer, unused vacation days had to be paid out if a person was terminated.
At my old employer, you only got paid for unused vacation if you retired. If you resigned or were terminated, you did not get paid for unused vacation.
That policy was changed some years back. Originally, if you resigned you would be paid for unused vacation. Termination however, resulted in a loss of unused vacation. There was no payout.
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When I retired from the VA I got paid for accrued annual leave but my sick leave was tacked onto my longevity for retirement. Before doing surgeries , chemo, etc for cancer I had nearly a year of sick leave saved up. After all of that I had not so much so I just used it all up before retirement. I was carrying my max annual leave from year to year (685 hours) but that took a hit also. I sold back about 400 hours when I retired.
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"I can't fathom how stupid you have to be to believe that an order against forcing something is the same as banning something."
They don't believe it. They know what they're saying is a lie. But the lie sounds FAR better than the actual truth of the matter.
Just like when Hobby Lobby was fighting against Obamacare's provisions on birth control. The left made it sound as if they were fighting against ALL birth control, wanting their female workers pregnant and barefoot. The truth was that they were fighting against providing a select few types of birth control. And for that they were waging all out genocidal war against women.
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Apparently, Southwest didn't have a sickout problem, they just had a lot of pilots who called in sick.
https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/11/a-southwest-pilot-explains-what-happened-over-the-weekend/
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I got my buddy fired from a job as I explained to him that his vacation would pay out when he quit but not sick time. How was I supposed to know he was still on double secret probation for attendance? We laughed, he was definitely quitting just happened about a month sooner.
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At my old employer, you only got paid for unused vacation if you retired. If you resigned or were terminated, you did not get paid for unused vacation.
That policy was changed some years back. Originally, if you resigned you would be paid for unused vacation. Termination however, resulted in a loss of unused vacation. There was no payout.
I think my employer will pay accrued vacation only. The only way to get all your vacation for the year is retirement. I have seen a few different people retire in January to get paid the full vacation.
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When I retired from the VA I got paid for accrued annual leave but my sick leave was tacked onto my longevity for retirement.
That's how it worked for me. I rarely used sick leave, so when I separated I got like 10 extra months counted towards time served.
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https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/11/a-southwest-pilot-explains-what-happened-over-the-weekend/
The carrier’s 10,000 pilots “are the most conservative collection of white collar employees in the country,” explained the pilot, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of reprisal. He estimated that at least 60 to 70 percent of pilots at Southwest are, like himself, former military.
The tyrannical mandate, he explained, erased all of the good will pilots and other conservative employees had felt toward their company.
That newfound ill will manifested itself over the three day weekend, not with an organized strike, but with many disgruntled employees calling in sick, or not signing up for overtime...
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That's how it worked for me. I rarely used sick leave, so when I separated I got like 10 extra months counted towards time served.
Texas TRS will let you do that, sorta. You can "buy" an extra year of of service but it's a combo of unused sick time and a lump sum amortized and charged against your annuity payments.
Brad
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That's how it worked for me. I rarely used sick leave, so when I separated I got like 10 extra months counted towards time served.
Interesting choice of words.
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Interesting choice of words.
I meant to say that. :laugh:
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I'm not a fan of the mandates, and as the cheif executive of the state, telling .gov agencies (or at least state ones) they can't mandate a vaccine is appropriate and within his powers.
Telling private businesses what they can and can't do I don't like, regardless of which side of the vaccine issue the mandate is on.
And before anyone mentions a cake, "unvaccinated" is not a protected class under federal law.
Personally, I think Abbot, DeSantis, AND Biden are all well past their executive authorities. We have legislatures for a reason.
I used to think the same thing but when most of these major companies started openly saying *expletive deleted*ck you to conservatives, went woke, trying to interfere in elections and so on I decided anything that hinders them in thaf regard is a good thing.
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I used to think the same thing but when most of these major companies started openly saying *expletive deleted*ck you to conservatives, went woke, trying to interfere in elections and so on I decided anything that hinders them in thaf regard is a good thing.
Sure, the end justifies the means, after all.
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Where I work, at separation you are paid out for any unused vacation. No sick leave payout if you leave before retirement.
At retirement eligibility you are paid cash up to $2000 for any unused sick leave, but...
If you retire before medicare age, you can cash unused sick leave in to pay for health insurance. If you have over 1500 hours saved, it is dollar for dollar towards health insurance premium. Under 1500 hours its a % of it.
I'm 47 and i have 930 hours of sick leave. Before 750 hours in the bank, I was accruing 144 hours per year, after 750 hours banked is 96 hours per year. My plan is after 62.5 years of age and when I have enough sick leave to cover my health insurance until I am Medicare eligible, I am going to retire from my employer. I'm hoping to have over 2100 hours in the bank of sick leave.
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Sure, the end justifies the means, after all.
You are defeated without even trying.
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Sure, the end justifies the means, after all.
Private companies aren't really private. For all practical purposes we are experiencing global fascism and our Fed Gov is on board with the system.
The government, financial and media corporations are pretty much using every lever of manipulation at their disposal to make sure all large corporations obey. They are obeying.
Defending corporate tyranny imposed by corporations under color of law is not defending freedom. It's defending government/corporate tyranny. Fascism.
You will obey. It won't be men with guns making you but corporations.
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sure, fine, it sucks. So let's all be happy OUR power freaks are forcing other people to obey. Yea our side!
You are defeated without even trying.
He literally said that. "Anything that hinders them in thaf[sic] regard is a good thing."
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Eventually, one resists, or one does not. Submit, or not. We will get as much tyranny as we are willing to submit to.
My father taught me something I have remembered to this day- "son, you cannot reason with a bully-the only thing they respect is force".
I don't like people pushing me around at all. Don't like being told what to do by people who obviously hate me.
Just want to be left alone to pursue my affairs in peace. I avoid confrontation. I happen to think the vax is very dangerous and will not take it- my choice. Somebody else wants it? Fine- their choice. Choice is the operative word here. Means the same thing as FREEDOM. Including the freedom to make mistakes.
A word one hears very seldom anymore. Remember when "hey, it's a free country " was used as a standard reply to someone doing something eccentric?, Rather than some jerk calling a swat team on them to kill their dog to save them from themselves? Anyone here remember the USSR, where every mothers son and daughter had their entire life planned by the state authorities?
Meddlers just want to meddle. *expletive deleted*ing control freaks.
A *expletive deleted*ing vaccine so effective the vaccinated are at risk from the unvaccinated. Right. i am not even gonna argue the stat or numbers of charts anymore, it has been so politicized that every study, every account is suspect by one side or the other. People believe what they want to believe. (thank you Tom Petty).
But what come down to is choice- if you do not have the right to refuse to have a substance injected into your body, you have no rights. They can do anything to you. And history says they will.
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Apparently there is a legislative special session going on right now in Austin. I saw an email today that said Abbott added the vaccine mandate issue to the list of things they can consider. SO maybe the legislature will pass something also. That would be better.
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Apparently there is a legislative special session going on right now in Austin. I saw an email today that said Abbott added the vaccine mandate issue to the list of things they can consider. SO maybe the legislature will pass something also. That would be better.
Yes, it would.
Tokugawa, I'm not going to quote your whole post, but I don't have any problems with it. While I am vaccinated, I have said several times I disagree with the mandates. But I can resist (or not) without cheering for other government entities interfering with peoples choices. If a mom and pop business owner says they only want to hire vaxxer people that's their choice. Freedom of association. I get we don't have a perfect (or even good) system, but I can only be responsible for my behavior. Cheering a governor telling private businesses what their employment practices have to be is a statist move, even if I agree with the particular policy being pushed.
I am not a statist, and won't cheer them. Resist, or don't.
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So the Sick-Out that wasn't a Sick-Out was a Sick-Out?
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So the Sick-Out that wasn't a Sick-Out was a Sick-Out?
No. The sick-out that wasn't a sick-out was NOT a sick-out ... it was just a bunch of pilots calling out sick. So it was an out-sick, not a sick-out.
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But I can resist (or not) without cheering for other government entities interfering with peoples choices.
The only thing being interfered with here is the left's attempt to force companies to have to require people to be vaccinated in order to be hired.
If a mom and pop business owner says they only want to hire vaxxer people that's their choice.
Who's saying they can't hire vaccinated people?
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Yes, it would.
Tokugawa, I'm not going to quote your whole post, but I don't have any problems with it. While I am vaccinated, I have said several times I disagree with the mandates. But I can resist (or not) without cheering for other government entities interfering with peoples choices. If a mom and pop business owner says they only want to hire vaxxer people that's their choice. Freedom of association. I get we don't have a perfect (or even good) system, but I can only be responsible for my behavior. Cheering a governor telling private businesses what their employment practices have to be is a statist move, even if I agree with the particular policy being pushed.
I am not a statist, and won't cheer them. Resist, or don't.
I agree with the sentiment, but while I don't want to live under a dictatorship, I also don't want corporations acting as a 3rd party to the govt dictatorship. Biden didn't even issue an executive order on this from what I remember. He just said it and all the big corporations started falling in line.
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I second Tokugawa's Lament, Reply # 64:
https://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=65432.msg1324528#msg1324528
Good job!
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The carrier’s 10,000 pilots “are the most conservative collection of white collar employees in the country,” explained the pilot, who asked to remain anonymous
More than 99% of United Airlines employees complied with the company’s requirement for everyone to receive a COVID-19 vaccine or apply for a medical or religious exemption, the company told employees Tuesday.
Chicago-based United has been among the most aggressive companies in the country at mandating COVID-19 vaccinations for employees as the global pandemic stretches into its 19th month. With the deadline for employees to submit proof of vaccination passing Monday, the company said that only 593 of its 67,000 U.S. workers didn’t comply, and United will start procedures to fire those workers in the coming days.
Is the culture / political leanings of Southwest pilots really that different than other airlines? I don't fly much, and even when I do I've never paid much attention to which carrier it is. Is there something unique about Southwest (or United) that attracts different pilots?
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Eventually, one resists, or one does not. Submit, or not. We will get as much tyranny as we are willing to submit to.
My father taught me something I have remembered to this day- "son, you cannot reason with a bully-the only thing they respect is force".
I don't like people pushing me around at all. Don't like being told what to do by people who obviously hate me.
Just want to be left alone to pursue my affairs in peace. I avoid confrontation. I happen to think the vax is very dangerous and will not take it- my choice. Somebody else wants it? Fine- their choice. Choice is the operative word here. Means the same thing as FREEDOM. Including the freedom to make mistakes.
A word one hears very seldom anymore. Remember when "hey, it's a free country " was used as a standard reply to someone doing something eccentric?, Rather than some jerk calling a swat team on them to kill their dog to save them from themselves? Anyone here remember the USSR, where every mothers son and daughter had their entire life planned by the state authorities?
Meddlers just want to meddle. *expletive deleted*ing control freaks.
A *expletive deleted*ing vaccine so effective the vaccinated are at risk from the unvaccinated. Right. i am not even gonna argue the stat or numbers of charts anymore, it has been so politicized that every study, every account is suspect by one side or the other. People believe what they want to believe. (thank you Tom Petty).
But what come down to is choice- if you do not have the right to refuse to have a substance injected into your body, you have no rights. They can do anything to you. And history says they will.
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Is the culture / political leanings of Southwest pilots really that different than other airlines? I don't fly much, and even when I do I've never paid much attention to which carrier it is. Is there something unique about Southwest (or United) that attracts different pilots?
Or maybe they're just lying about "more than 99%" polling to influence people. Seems more likely.
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Private companies aren't really private. For all practical purposes we are experiencing global fascism and our Fed Gov is on board with the system.
The government, financial and media corporations are pretty much using every lever of manipulation at their disposal to make sure all large corporations obey. They are obeying.
Defending corporate tyranny imposed by corporations under color of law is not defending freedom. It's defending government/corporate tyranny. Fascism.
You will obey. It won't be men with guns making you but corporations.
The Dems have figured this out perfectly. No need for big gov to force it when their close allies the big corporations will. Want to work? Good luck unless you follow our demands about whatever. Free speech? Gone, not by government action but speaking your mind will get you canceled and blacklisted from society. The landlords that are telling tenants they HAVE to have the vax? Now affecting your housing.
All this *expletive deleted*it has happened at this point.
In Nazi Germany the companies were as big of a driver of the policies and growth of the Third Reich as the government was, just like is happening today.
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<opinion>
Once you enter any PR field... spokesman, announcer, Media Relations, Press Secretary, Reichminister, whatever, there is no such a thing as a lie. That's why you get the big bucks.
There is truth, if it goes your client's way, but otherwise, there is no lie, no dishonor, no shame, no eternal punishment, no self-reproach.
</opinion>
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Is the culture / political leanings of Southwest pilots really that different than other airlines? I don't fly much, and even when I do I've never paid much attention to which carrier it is. Is there something unique about Southwest (or United) that attracts different pilots?
We pilots are all the same: Big egos, big watches, small dic fortunes.
Southwest pilots have an old reputation for flying fast and being cowboys, but that isn't too accurate anymore.
American is known for flying slow and taxiing slower.
Delta is known for "wind check." That must be in their SOPs.
United is known for complaining about everything.
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*chuckle* I'm sorry but I think it's a little silly to be worried about big businesses being unduly influenced by the current administration at the moment.
The reason being right at this moment it's not big business or any business holding the real power in the supply and demand chain. It's the workers. If this is about the vaccine, Southwest is going to change their tune or go under. There's just no way they can hold out long enough to replace skilled workers. They won't be able to get unskilled workers.
And I don't think we are so far gone that the federal government can step in and force people back to work.
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United is known for complaining about everything.
And smashing guitars.
And killing puppies.
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Seconded.
Welll said, Tokugawa
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*chuckle* I'm sorry but I think it's a little silly to be worried about big businesses being unduly influenced by the current administration at the moment.
The reason being right at this moment it's not big business or any business holding the real power in the supply and demand chain. It's the workers. If this is about the vaccine, Southwest is going to change their tune or go under. There's just no way they can hold out long enough to replace skilled workers. They won't be able to get unskilled workers.
And I don't think we are so far gone that the federal government can step in and force people back to work.
You have a point. Actually, airline pilots seem like a really good, visible hill to fight on. Pretty hard to explain it away when the planes can't take off and people need to get places. If only they would band together, but laborers in the US never flex their muscle, even when they have leverage. My counterparts in France consider US workers to be spineless pussies based on what they put up with and how they never strike or push back on anything.
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I have sick leave saved up. And about a week of vacation that I have to use in the next two-three months.
I may have to get covid-tested soon. Mandatory 10 day hiatus.
Anyone want a flash hider or muzzle brake? I will probably ramp that up again...
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More information about the weather related delays
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/southwest-caves-ditches-plan-put-unvaccinated-staff-unpaid-leave-dec
One day after hundreds of Southwest Airlines employees protested outside the carrier's Dallas headquarters against the company's pending Covid-19 vaccine mandate, the company has caved.
DALLAS TX: Southwest employees chant “LET’S GO BRANDON” in front of the South West headquarters to protest the airline vaccine mandate
— Drew Hernandez (@DrewHLive) October 18, 2021
According to CNBC, the airline has scrapped a plan to place unvaxxed employees who have applied for - but not yet received a religious or medical exemption, on unpaid leave starting Dec. 8.
Southwest Airlines and American Airlines are among the carriers that are federal contractors and subject to a Biden administration requirement that their employees are vaccinated against Covid-19 by Dec. 8 unless they are exempt for medical or religious reasons. Rules for federal contractors are stricter than those expected for large companies, which will allow for regular Covid testing as an alterative to a vaccination. -CNBC]
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American having issues
American Airlines cancels more than 1,000 flights over Halloween weekend
https://nypost.com/2021/10/31/american-airlines-cancels-more-than-1000-flights-over-halloween-weekend/
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We should make more use of US airlines - check our toxic and nuclear waste as baggage, and no human being will ever see it again. (Kind of like shipping guns through the USPS to a destination that means they'll be routed through Chicago.)
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Just heard from my friend. His son Derek is the newly hired pilot for American (he's not started his jet training yet).
They went to Albuquerque this weekend for a family trip before Derek starts work and moves to Dallas...
And now they're not sure when they're going to be able to get home.
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Just heard from my friend. His son Derek is the newly hired pilot for American (he's not started his jet training yet).
They went to Albuquerque this weekend for a family trip before Derek starts work and moves to Dallas...
And now they're not sure when they're going to be able to get home.
Uber?
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And it continues
"bad weather" is causing a shortage of pilots and flight attendants :O
American Airlines cancels hundreds of additional flights on Sunday
https://www.wlky.com/article/american-airlines-cancels-flights-sunday/38115887#
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I flew from Charlotte, NC to Portland, OR on Saturday to visit my Dad for a week. Due to family circumstances I haven't seen him in two years. Normally I fly American Airlines because they have non-stop flights between CLT and PDX. Glad I went United this time around.
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Apparently bad weather is causing about 1/10 of the issues.
Everything else is apparently resistance to the mandates.
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Apparently bad weather is causing about 1/10 of the issues.
Everything else is apparently resistance to the mandates.
While that's believable, that's the kind of statement that requires some evidence backing it up.
The explanation for the cancelled flights that the airline offered up in the linked article is also credible.
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While that's believable, that's the kind of statement that requires some evidence backing it up.
The explanation for the cancelled flights that the airline offered up in the linked article is also credible.
Well, that came from my nephew Derek, the pilot for American, so I'm assuming he got it through pilot channels.
Of course, that could be skewed by personal interests... then again, so could the "corporate explanation."
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More than 2,000 flights canceled on Christmas Eve
https://www.wlky.com/article/flight-cancellations-christmas-eve-2021/38606476