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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Nick1911 on November 18, 2021, 05:34:54 PM
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How much do you trust the branches and agencies that make up the US government?
Edited to add: Was there a time that you use to trust the government more? What happened to erode that trust?
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Trust thermometer: Zero Kelvin
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Sort of, I think they publish some truths, but will withhold some things for reasons that are not in the best interest of
the public themselves.
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This some sort of grad student project to determine the feasibility of remotely inducing death by laughing?
And I worked there for 22 years.
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Nope. If they tell the truth it is a: opps did we say that or b: this makes us look great.
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The government has no moral or legal obligation to tell the truth. Never has, never will. So why would they? They wouldn't, unless they directly benefit from telling the truth.
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How much do you trust the branches and agencies that make up the US government?
Edited to add: Was there a time that you use to trust the government more?
I was young.
What happened to erode that trust?
As I get older I see more of how the world works, and like it less.
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Never trust a government that doesn't trust it's people. Seems like the government trust it's people less and less as time goes on.
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First step is to understand that we don't have a US Government. We have a bunch of factions Boeing for power and the ability to work towards their goals for themselves, the country, and the world. Then understand that they will tell you what you need to gain your support in those endeavors.
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When the people are afraid of their government you have tyranny.
When the government fears the people you have liberty.
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The government or the media?
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The government or the media?
Both. I’m very Leary of anything government says and definitely don’t believe 90% of the media.
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Everything is anarchy, even government. There's a thin film of civility and fear of repercussions for most, and for a smaller percentage there's an actual moral compass.
The vast majority of "government" is self serving and operates under fixed-pie economics with no regard for repercussions.
Any truth that comes out of that is incidental.
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Some combination of the three NO's listed is about where I'm at these days.
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I trust our federal government marginally more than the CCP. Which is to say, any truth told is only done in service to their overarching goal of accruing more power. Occasionally someone of conscience will speak up here, whereas in China they won’t lest their family get billed for the ammo used in their execution, with no credit for the value of the organs harvested (not necessarily after they shot you either).
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"No, NO, and HELL NO !!"
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Is this a serious question? On this board???
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The government or the media?
Is there a difference, these days?
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Not since 1969.
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The government and the media are both bureaucracies, which are occupied largely by people whose sole goal involves their wallet... Those people are easily manipulated by people with other goals.
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Look at what this admin and members of congress are still saying about Rittenhouse
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I voted for the government.
I love them and promise to obey!
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I don't think anyone in power has told the whole, unadulterated truth in a long time.
I do think the mass media has contributed greatly to the problem. There is too much money and too much possibility to influence at stake. Once news became a marketable commodity, it became corruptible in a way we hadn't seen before.
I think that the only thing saving us from being completely screwed is that those with the power and money to control us don't typically work together and they are egotistical bastards. Their incompetency (and they have many) is what could be (and usually is) their downfall.
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Not since 1963.
Fixt.
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The US government could state that the sky was blue, and I'd look out the window before accepting it.
The real tragedy is I apply that to the "Justice" system too. Only a fool still believes in due process anymore. Your outcome will be determined by who you know and how big your warchest is.
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The US government could state that the sky was blue, and I'd look out the window before accepting it.
The real tragedy is I apply that to the "Justice" system too. Only a fool still believes in due process anymore. Your outcome will be determined by who you know and how big your warchest is.
The treatment of the Jan 6 spicy walkthrough tourists shows that. Purely political prisoners.
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For a while after the establishment of our Republic, we had a government of, by and for the people. Now we have a government of, by and for the government. The people are just resources for the government to consume.
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The coronavirus vaccine is a prime example of the government lying to us.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/11/vasko-kohlmayer/fauci-finally-admits-vaccines-dont-protect-against-serious-covid-or-death/
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Government officials take their inspiration from this honest guy when they're talking to us:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJMq_7alQpU&ab_channel=RichardArnold
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The coronavirus vaccine is a prime example of the government lying to us.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/11/vasko-kohlmayer/fauci-finally-admits-vaccines-dont-protect-against-serious-covid-or-death/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/11/18/fact-check-fauci-supports-covid-19-vaccines-and-booster-shots/8636827002/
Various people make various interpretations of Dr. Fauci's comments.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/11/18/fact-check-fauci-supports-covid-19-vaccines-and-booster-shots/8636827002/
Various people make various interpretations of Dr. Fauci's comments.
While I certainly agree that people have reinterpreted some of his statements, do you believe Dr. Fauci has been clear, consistent, and forthright in his public communication about COVID, treatments, and vaccines? In your opinion, has he done a good job in being the public face of health communication during this pandemic?
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/11/18/fact-check-fauci-supports-covid-19-vaccines-and-booster-shots/8636827002/
Various people make various interpretations of Dr. Fauci's comments.
Various apologists, you mean.
While Fauci recently warned of waning immunity in vaccinated people, that doesn't mean COVID-19 vaccines haven't been effective, as the article claims. Health officials have discussed the need for booster shots since the early stages of the U.S. vaccine rollout as protection can diminish over time.
This is also a lie. I gave in to the hype and the lies and I received the two doses of the Pfizer vaccine in January. When I was making that decision, there was NO mention or discussion of even a remote possibility that booster shots might be required, and certainly not that a booster might be required less than a year after being "fully" vaccinated. If health officials were discussing boosters early on, they were doing so behind closed doors -- the public was not part of that "discussion."
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While I certainly agree that people have reinterpreted some of his statements, do you believe Dr. Fauci has been clear, consistent, and forthright in his public communication about COVID, treatments, and vaccines? In your opinion, has he done a good job in being the public face of health communication during this pandemic?
Not always and meh.
How would you do a better job under the circumstances?
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Not always and meh.
How would you do a better job under the circumstances?
I would not have told people to shut down all public economic activity.
I would not have lied about masks.
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I no longer assume that Fauci and the Feds have the same goals in mind regarding the pandemic that the rest of us have, initially I assumed the best.
Carrying water for guys like Fauci is based on assuming the best of them.
That goes for President Operation Warpspeed also.
I may not have the answers but that doesn't mean I have to believe their lies or not question their motives.
I'm not blind or filled with delusions about our government.
People earn trust and lose trust by their actions.
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Not always and meh.
How would you do a better job under the circumstances?
1. Try to maintain humility and make clear the limits what is known instead of proclaiming as Truth everything I say. Even if that means people make decisions I wish they would not.
2. Refrain from branding everyone who disagrees with me as anti-The-Science. Especially when I have already changed my position multiple times.
3. Be honest and transparent instead of covering up missteps and playing ridiculous semantic games to conceal my own bad choices.
4. Require transparency from industry partners
Just for a start.
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1. Try to maintain humility and make clear the limits what is known instead of proclaiming as Truth everything I say. Even if that means people make decisions I wish they would not.
2. Refrain from branding everyone who disagrees with me as anti-The-Science. Especially when I have already changed my position multiple times.
3. Be honest and transparent instead of covering up missteps and playing ridiculous semantic games to conceal my own bad choices.
4. Require transparency from industry partners
Just for a start.
^^^ Yep, pretty much that.
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99.8%
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The State is going to save us from the various crises they've created.
This pretty much sums up every political/economic/foreign policy and cultural problem we are experiencing.
That the State ends up more powerful and that those in the State become rich along with those in the "private sector" that are "partnered" with the State is just an unintended byproduct ;)
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For a while after the establishment of our Republic, we had a government of, by and for the people. Now we have a government of, by and for the government. The people are just resources for the government to consume.
Fantastic quote !! :rofl: :rofl:
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I wonder what would have happened if Trump had had a doctor, or someone with experience in medicine, as a family member...