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Title: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Ben on November 21, 2021, 06:21:28 PM
I know it's a year away, but how is a guy running on an "I'll take your guns" platform only six points behind Abbott in Texas, even in early polling? Seems like there should be a one or even two in front of that six.

You guys on the ground there wanna clue me in? I know Texas is getting less red with the commies moving in, but I can't believe it's this close to turning yet.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/beto-orourke-stands-by-infamous-pledge-take-guns-from-americans-if-elected-governor
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: French G. on November 21, 2021, 06:42:42 PM
Abbott isn't much and tRuE CoNserVativeS!!! would rather stay home and help elect spoiled rich brat Robert Francis. He went to school in my county and graduated a few years before me. Only I was at the poor kid public school and he was at the rich kid boarding school. I pre-judge everyone who went to that school and I am right more often than not. A true man of the people.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Jim147 on November 21, 2021, 06:52:55 PM
Who's at home to answer the poll calls?
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Pb on November 21, 2021, 07:30:04 PM
Cruz only beat Beto by a little. 

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/texas-senate

Big cities are usually leftist, and Texas has some huge cities, as well as lots of Mexicans.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Bogie on November 21, 2021, 09:18:41 PM
Do the Texicans still think that "Beto" is one of them?
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: MechAg94 on November 22, 2021, 10:20:50 AM
Hard say what the poll means without all the background details of the poll.  I don't generally trust polls these days.

Beto nearly beat Ted Cruz for Senate back when Beto was thought to be a centrist Democrat and trying to be a modern JFK.  He showed who he was in the Presidential run.  I really doubt he would do better this time.  He has a lot of money to spend so he will be loud and in the news regardless of whether anyone likes him or not. 

The issue to me is Abbott didn't make any friends last year.  He ended the COVID restrictions earlier than most states, but most wanted him to end them a lot sooner.  There were a lot of people upset about rules shutting down small businesses while leaving big businesses open. 

The joke I hear is Abbott does whatever Desantis does, but about 3 weeks later after focus grouping the decision to be sure. 

The question is could we do better or worse than Abbott?  I don't know who else is running in the R primary, but I had heard Allen West might run so we could do a bit worse. 
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Brad Johnson on November 22, 2021, 10:35:27 AM
You guys on the ground there wanna clue me in? I know Texas is getting less red with the commies moving in, but I can't believe it's this close to turning yet.

In Austin, the DFW area, some border counties, and most university towns, you'll see a higher instance of Prii, Volvos, Subaru wagons, and questionably insured wrecking yard rejects with requisite BETO! stickers. Liberals love him because he's not a conservative and he supposedly hates guns. Welfare recipients love him because he promises free *expletive deleted*it. Millennials love him because he's not an Old Heterosexual White Guy. Otherwise most everyone thinks he's a moron.

True Mexicans (as in people from Mexico, not the generalized ethnic inference) are outright insulted by his ethnicity claims. "Latinos" who are just in it for the ethnic branding think he's cool because Not Trump.

MechAg nailed it when he mentioned Abbott's handling of COVID restrictions, businesses especially. While he did roll restrictions back early, the fact that he did it at all significantly soured a lot of attitudes. I have a real burr under my saddle about it, but I do have to grudgingly admit he's otherwise done well at generally keeping the state on a pro-business and pro-personal liberties track.

Brad
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: MechAg94 on November 22, 2021, 01:30:57 PM
Abbott has pretty much signed every pro-gun bill sent his way included constitutional carry and expressed support for them.  I have a hard time saying I would oppose him.  I would just say I will vote for him unless someone demonstrably better comes along.
Title: Re: Abbott vs Beto
Post by: Lennyjoe on November 22, 2021, 10:29:58 PM
I like this guys angle to talk to Beto..

 https://rumble.com/vpmeup-you-aint-taking-my-guns-beto-orourke-confronted-at-rally.html (https://rumble.com/vpmeup-you-aint-taking-my-guns-beto-orourke-confronted-at-rally.html)