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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: RoadKingLarry on November 21, 2021, 08:13:05 PM
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Car plows through a Christmas parade in Wisconsin.
Reports of multiple dead and injured
https://www.foxnews.com/us/wisconsin-christmas-parade-interrupted-after-vehicle-reportedly-plows-into-crowd
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Removed as comment was in bad taste.
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:'( RIP to those who died. I feel for their families, friends... what a shock.
While it won't change what has happened, I hope that a through investigation is undertaken, and justice is served.
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Slo mo video of the incident:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E2APMq8gx0
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That's terrible. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but from the video, it sure looks like the driver was in control of the car versus someone having some kind of seizure or other medical emergency, or even being alcohol impaired.
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Driver in custody, and "very active" investigation, per the article.
Sudden jihad syndrome, or are we even worried about that anymore?
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Have they released a name yet?
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Sounds quite a bit like the rental truck driven through a parade in France a few years ago.
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Seeing talk on a live feed that they were fleeing a crime scene when they ran into the parade
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An SUV would be a good escape vehicle for a robbery - they all look the same.
If it is Dindu and Sumdood, it'll be off the news by tomorrow.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEwdNfpXEAk8Sox?format=jpg&name=small)
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https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/091/141/409/original/b796fd55c4cd0a0c.mp4
If accurate, it's clearly another one of those white supremist mofos...
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So the ride is backed into a parking spot? WIth the nasty hanging out in front?
WTF?
We get people who back into our spots at the store, but they are usually gonna try to steal something and run for it.
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double tap
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Saw a Fox News video that said there will be a press conference today, and there has been an arrest. Presumably a suspect and motive will be identified then.
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REPORT: Here are the alleged details of the suspect Waukesha Police have in custody
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/11/22/report-here-are-the-alleged-details-of-the-suspect-waukesha-police-have-in-custody/
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Reading at least 5 dead, 40 injured some critical.
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REPORT: Here are the alleged details of the suspect Waukesha Police have in custody
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/11/22/report-here-are-the-alleged-details-of-the-suspect-waukesha-police-have-in-custody/
"Defendant is indigent". So stolen vehicle, or was he living in it?
He seems to have current court cases in addition to his criminal history. If he's in fact the driver, it could be BLM / Kenosha revenge, or it could be mental illness. Or, of course, both.
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Saw some tweets shown on a live feed last night where someone had taken a photo of a white guy (aka white supremacist) in a car and photoshop changed the color of the vehicle to match the red SUV. Someone then found the original photo where the color was silver. Lot of BS floating around to push a _____ narrative. Got a feeling we'll be seeing more of that photo.
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According Karol Markowicz, a contributor to the NY Post, Fox News, and DC Examiner, the suspect in custody for today’s mass casualty event in Waukesha is identified as Darrell E Brooks Jr. Brooks is a Tier II sex offender from Reno, Nevada and according to recent court documents was released from Milwaukee County jail on November 19, 2021 on a $1,000 bail by Milwaukee County Circuit Court judge Michelle Havas. He was facing the following charges:
Domestic Abuse
Battery
Resisting or Obstructing an Officer
Bail Jumping
2nd-Degree Recklessly Endangering Safety
Disorderly Conduct
https://lynnwoodtimes.com/2021/11/21/red-suv-plows-into-wisconsin-holiday-parade/ (https://lynnwoodtimes.com/2021/11/21/red-suv-plows-into-wisconsin-holiday-parade/)
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I'm reading some stuff on alternative news sites that indicate we may be having another clown show like the Rittenhouse show.
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Note: I can't confirm anything stated in the link but here it is.
Darrell Brooks Jr.: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
https://heavy.com/news/darrell-brooks-jr/
Brooks raps under the name MathBoi Fly. He had a YouTube channel with rap music videos, but it’s been deleted. A red SUV could be seen behind him in one of the videos.
On another MathBoi Fly Facebook page belonging to Brooks, in the name Jay Brooks, he wrote about the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict. That trial occurred about an hour away from Milwaukee and Waukesha.
Arrest record from the above link
Note: In PDF format
https://heavy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/DOJ-WORCS.pdf
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A career thug and a Soro's backed bail reform DA.
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inquiring minds want to know, but did he cross state lines? ...
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My first impression is this is a guy who shouldn't have been out of jail. Sort of like the dead guys from the Rittenhouse trial. I could be wrong.
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Obviously a Good Boy Just Turning His Life Around with a 22 year record like that.
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1. Guy shouldn't have been out of jail. He was free on the revolving door that's Milwaukee/SE Wisconsin's court system.
2. From the videos I've seen, he was honking (warning people to get out of the way?) at least part of the time. So it seems like the "fleeing another crime" (a stabbing) might be at least partly true, and not just an attempt at "controlling the narrative".
3. There's obviously a lot of speculation that it was a revenge attack for the nearby Rittenhouse verdict last Friday.
4. The perp supposedly has pro-BLM, anti-white, anti Rittenhouse postings, plus something about "How to run people down in the street and get away with it."
My gut feeling is that it's a combination of #2 and #3. Possibly fleeing and not initially intentionally targeting the parade, making bad decisions etc. but turned into #3 at the end either out of just not caring, or possibly just out of opportunity.
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It's shaping up that this event will have something to enrage everyone! Honk Honk!
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According Karol Markowicz, a contributor to the NY Post, Fox News, and DC Examiner, the suspect in custody for today’s mass casualty event in Waukesha is identified as Darrell E Brooks Jr. Brooks is a Tier II sex offender from Reno, Nevada and according to recent court documents was released from Milwaukee County jail on November 19, 2021 on a $1,000 bail by Milwaukee County Circuit Court judge Michelle Havas. He was facing the following charges:
Domestic Abuse
Battery
Resisting or Obstructing an Officer
Bail Jumping
2nd-Degree Recklessly Endangering Safety
Disorderly Conduct
https://lynnwoodtimes.com/2021/11/21/red-suv-plows-into-wisconsin-holiday-parade/ (https://lynnwoodtimes.com/2021/11/21/red-suv-plows-into-wisconsin-holiday-parade/)
Sounds like a peach.
WTF is with releasing a guy on a meager $1000 bail for charges including previously jumping bail?
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Stuff like this is almost enough to make one think that constantly rereleasing violent career criminals back into society is a bad thing and could actually go a long way in explaining the recent explosion in crime since they started doing so.
Naa, that couldn't be it. Back to blaming white supremacy, Trump, and the police.
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Meanwhile we have people at nine months in solitary for spicy trespassing and we can’t even know when they get a trial.
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Meanwhile we have people at nine months in solitary for spicy trespassing and we can’t even know when they get a trial.
Their free room and board is white privilege. Meanwhile, LGBIPOC are turned out into the street. Shameful.
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Has anyone opined that parades are racist yet?
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Has anyone opined that parades are racist yet?
This is 2021. Everything is white supremacy until Master Kendi informs us otherwise. Even if the driver is black and most of the victims turn out to be white, this may still be another case of ubiquitous, white supremacist, Trumpian domestic terrorism. The Big Lie undoubtedly inspired these acts, in concert with systemic inequities that oppressed the driver. He was obviously just the chauffeur, driving in the employ of white Amerikkka.
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This is what happens when there are demonstrations on public property of religious sentiments.
If they would just keep their religious feelings private this kind of thing would never happen.
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We ought to register those SUVs.
And outright ban those Blood Red ones.
Good Lord, it's like handing a 250 horsepower SUV to a chimpanzee!
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She is from my home county in Illinois that I recently escaped. Her comments and the other comments in the article are pretty amazing. These are some really nasty humans.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/illinois-county-democratic-party-official-calls-sunday-parade-massacre-karma-rittenhouse
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She is from my home county in Illinois that I recently escaped. Her comments and the other comments in the article are pretty amazing. These are some really nasty humans.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/illinois-county-democratic-party-official-calls-sunday-parade-massacre-karma-rittenhouse
What if they find out he crossed state lines from Illinois?
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Let's not forget that many cisgendered, right-handed, neurotypical white men had a hand in making the SUV that committed the crime. We need to know how the victim became imprisoned in the vehicle, implicating him* in these crimes.
* I am assuming pronouns, and will change them once we learn how the victim identifies.
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$1000, out on bail
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mass-casualty-event-reported-waukesha-christmas-parade-after-car-plows-crowd-shoots
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She is from my home county in Illinois that I recently escaped. Her comments and the other comments in the article are pretty amazing. These are some really nasty humans.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/illinois-county-democratic-party-official-calls-sunday-parade-massacre-karma-rittenhouse
A disturbingly large segment of our society including much of the MSM and many politicians cry foul when a criminal is killed but will celebrate when children are spattered on a car's bumper and hood.
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He was out on bail for running over a lady. Just can't make this stuff up.
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He was out on bail for running over a lady. Just can't make this stuff up.
And apparently had social media posts about how to get away with running over people. It's interesting that what I'm seeing from many of the Joy Reid type of MSM pundits is that since he was fleeing another crime (if true) it somehow makes what he did here less serious. You know, running over children and stuff. Oh and by the way, he previously sold a child into the sex trade.
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Police say that he was in fact fleeing another crime - yet another domestic violence incident to add to the others on his rap sheet. Though I guess he has murder to worry about now.
The suspect, Darrell Brooks, will be charged with five counts of first-degree intentional homicide and other offenses, according to police chief Dan Thompson.
Moments before the tragedy, Brooks was involved in a domestic violence incident that he was fleeing. Authorities said that it is “not a terrorist event."
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The great injustice will be if he is held on cash bond, by the white supremacist system.
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Is there a Go Fund Me for him yet?
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Has anyone opined that parades are racist yet?
Actually I seem to recall something along those lines a few years ago because IIRC it's usually mostly white people that go to parades.
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Don't lose focus on the Ghislaine Maxwell trial.
Powerful people will be far more interested in having this race-baiting incident take national attention rather than the Epstein/Maxwell trial. Don't satisfy them.
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Police clarify that while he was fleeing another crime, he was NOT fleeing police. Apparently CNN and others were making it sound like cops were chasing him.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/22/but-cnn-said-yet-another-media-narrative-goes-up-in-smoke-as-waukesha-police-set-the-record-straight-on-suspect-darrell-e-brooks-video/
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Police say that he was in fact fleeing another crime - yet another domestic violence incident to add to the others on his rap sheet. Though I guess he has murder to worry about now.
https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1462607294445801472
There is speculation that the "fleeing another crime" story is a sham -- a cover-up for a racist/terroristic act by a BLM sympathizer/activist.
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The DA there said (I suppose because of the outrage over him being out on $1000 at time of the killings) that bail for Brooks will be set at a "rate too high for him to make". I'll be really interested to see if some BLM and/or Hollywood people post bail for him.
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https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1462607294445801472
There is speculation that the "fleeing another crime" story is a sham -- a cover-up for a racist/terroristic act by a BLM sympathizer/activist.
Yeah but it does seem to fit in with his past history
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The DA there said (I suppose because of the outrage over him being out on $1000 at time of the killings) that bail for Brooks will be set at a "rate too high for him to make". I'll be really interested to see if some BLM and/or Hollywood people post bail for him.
Kamala
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I would be disappointed if they didn’t post bail for him. Already a truthy fact that cash bail is raciss.
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Don't lose focus on the Ghislaine Maxwell trial.
Powerful people will be far more interested in having this race-baiting incident take national attention rather than the Epstein/Maxwell trial. Don't satisfy them.
Maxwell didn't kill herself.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5ziRrDBUwk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5ziRrDBUwk
Exactly what I was coming here to say. A BLM perpetrator, mostly white victims (I presume), and all at the feet of Democrat anti-bail policy. This story is done. ;/
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Some on the left thought they could lie their way into a juicy one here
BREAKING: A Trumper “emboldened by the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict” plows into a crowd of peaceful protesters marching against Rittenhouse's acquittal in Connecticut, injuring 6, including a 60-year old woman who is now fighting for her life. He got away. RT TO HELP POLICE FIND HIM!
— Occupy Democrats (@OccupyDemocrats) November 23, 2021
‘Show the video, LIARS’: Occupy Democrats FRICASSEED for claiming Rittenhouse verdict ’emboldened Trumper’ to run over crowd of protesters
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/11/23/show-the-video-liars-occupy-democrats-fricasseed-for-claiming-rittenhouse-verdict-emboldened-trumper-to-run-over-crowd-of-protesters/
But..Even CNN fact checked them
This tweet is wrong. Activist who organized the protest tells me 1) There were injuries, but nobody is fighting for their life and the 60-year-old was not hospitalized; 2) They don't know anything at the moment about the driver's politics or thoughts on the Rittenhouse verdict. pic.twitter.com/Dj5KePlZgD
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) November 23, 2021
‘RT if they should delete their account’! Occupy Democrats BACKPEDALS when CNN fact-checks their lying a*ses about a ‘Trumper running protesters over’
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/11/23/rt-if-they-should-delete-their-account-occupy-democrats-backpedals-when-cnn-fact-checks-their-lying-ases-about-a-trumper-running-protesters-over/
Cue the sad trombone
And the crickets
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I don't think it is generally a good idea to stand out in traffic.
But I'm also one of those awful people who doesn't think joggers should run in the street, so ...
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Death #6 today, a child. Bail set at $5 million. We'll see if anyone bails him out I guess.
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^^ "I don't think it is generally a good idea to stand out in traffic."
True as a generalization, but I thought he ran a blockade and there wasn't supposed to be any regular traffic on the street.
Somebody check me on this.
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^^ "I don't think it is generally a good idea to stand out in traffic."
True as a generalization, but I thought he ran a blockade and there wasn't supposed to be any regular traffic on the street.
Somebody check me on this.
Correct. Street was "closed."
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I'm pretty sure Cordex was referring not to the OP, but to WLJ's post regarding a BLM protest.
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Yes, sorry that I was unclear.
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Some on the left thought they could lie their way into a juicy one here
‘Show the video, LIARS’: Occupy Democrats FRICASSEED for claiming Rittenhouse verdict ’emboldened Trumper’ to run over crowd of protesters
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/11/23/show-the-video-liars-occupy-democrats-fricasseed-for-claiming-rittenhouse-verdict-emboldened-trumper-to-run-over-crowd-of-protesters/
But..Even CNN fact checked them
‘RT if they should delete their account’! Occupy Democrats BACKPEDALS when CNN fact-checks their lying a*ses about a ‘Trumper running protesters over’
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/11/23/rt-if-they-should-delete-their-account-occupy-democrats-backpedals-when-cnn-fact-checks-their-lying-ases-about-a-trumper-running-protesters-over/
Cue the sad trombone
And the crickets
So two days after the Waukesha massacre, we have another person running people over in the street - and it's Kyle that emboldened them? Why not, ya know, the Waukesha creep? ???
But donning my tinfoil hat for a moment: [tinfoil]
I'm not one to call everything a false flag, but we've seen enough documented hate crime hoaxes to imagine BLM doing this to themselves, just to distract from their friend in Waukesha, and his connections to them.
Or maybe I just like the idea of racist lefties running over one another. =|
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There isn't much I would put pass them at this point
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Everyone else is dancing around it, but this is clearly BLM mass terrorist attack #2. (Unless there's another beyond the guy targeting police in Houston.)
Those saying he was "fleeing" are trying to prevent "blowback", just like when they lie about Muslim terror.
Further, the lying bastards in education, politics, and the media have this blood on their hands. Demonizing an entire race, lying about the actual risk of death at the hands of police, and encouraging hatred OF COURSE causes the worst elements to act on those false beliefs. So many people deserve to be hung with this scumbag.
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Terrorism? But he didn't go anywhere near AOC. ???
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A few yrs ago ( im now 61, old demented I guess ) when I was still talking with in laws/relatives, I warned them ( on facebook )
to avoid crowds ... I would get back to them, to ask them if I was right or wrong ( but, I don't want to-they would know I was right and be angry)
One can day dream....
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It's the car's (SUV's) fault
What if instead of asking whether a tiny bit more jail would have fixed this person we ask whether fewer cars (SUVs) in America would lead to fewer people killed
— Shane (@shaneferro) November 24, 2021
Blue-checked lib law journo suggests future Waukeshas could be avoided not by ‘jacking up bail,’ but by banning SUVs, aka ‘climate destroying death machines’
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/11/24/blue-checked-lib-law-journo-suggests-future-waukeshas-could-be-avoided-not-by-jacking-up-bail-but-by-banning-suvs-aka-climate-destroying-death-machines/
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FE7Aw6bXoAE1GBa?format=jpg&name=small)
It is true that a lot of people who commit mass murders in the U.S. have DV histories, but what, actually, does that mean? It's a correlation, sure, but what kind of rational policy response can you create from that? How do you pick out the mass murderers from the aholes?
— Shane (@shaneferro) November 24, 2021
Nathan Wurtzel
@NathanWurtzel
Oooh I can: Darrell Brooks is a mass murderer and you're an ahole.
:rofl:
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FWIW, discussion of the Eighth Amendment:
https://law.justia.com/constitution/us/amendment-08/01-excessive-bail.html
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FWIW, discussion of the Eighth amendment:
https://law.justia.com/constitution/us/amendment-08/01-excessive-bail.html
I'm not sure what side of that you're on?
I don't believe in "political bail" where outrageous sums are set because someone is not liked, or an "enemy of the (current) state", or what have you. Just like it's an abomination that the 06JAN political prisoners are being held without bail.
However, in the case of this guy, what is the solution? He has a 50 page rap sheet full of felonies. He was out on $1000 bail for running someone else over just before this atrocity. How do you handle bail for someone like this, who has shown himself to be a flight risk and a menace to society?
I don't have any concrete answers, but letting him easily make bail to once again commit felonies in order to honor "reasonable bail" seems to be an imprudent choice here. In a sane society, someone would have already shot him long ago and he'd no longer be a problem.
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I tried to not state a position on that, being merely an informational post.
However, since you ask, I'm kind of ambivalent about it since 8A is a little ambiguous. Were I to defend the $5 mil, I would rely on this from the cited article:
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Instead, “[t]he only arguable substantive limitation of the Bail Clause is that the government’s proposed conditions of release or detention not be ‘excessive’ in light of the perceived evil.”23 “Detention prior to trial of arrestees charged with serious felonies who are found after an adversary hearing to pose a threat to the safety of individuals or to the community which no condition of release can dispel” satisfies this requirement.2
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To challenge bail as excessive, one must move for a reduction, and, if that motion is denied, appeal to the Court of Appeals, and, if unsuccessful, appeal to the Supreme Court Justice sitting for that circuit.
op cit, emphasis mine
END QUOTE
I'm concerned that abuse of bail can be used as a political weapon, but on the other hand, I understand the provisions for meeting the government's interest in shielding the population from this kind of previously-demonstrated dangerous behavior.
If it's "excessive," let him appeal it.
If some organization or person actually posts that amount, if I were them, I'd keep pretty darned close track of him after his release under that bail. To the point of effectively keeping him a "private" prisoner.
Terry, 230RN
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I don't like excessive bail in many cases, but some people like this guy should just be denied bail due to his history. I thought the Rittenhouse bail was set excessively high since he had no criminal record.
The bail issue would be less of an problem if we figured out how to complete investigations and have a trial within a few months instead of a year.
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Hmmm
BREAKING: Court documents confirm Darrel Brooks was observed first driving slowly and then sped up to hit parade participants in Waukesha
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1463292636593201158/photo/1
'This was an intentional act': $5 million bail set for suspect in Waukesha Christmas Parade tragedy
https://www.cbs58.com/news/this-was-an-intentional-act-5-million-bail-set-for-suspect-in-waukesha-holiday-parade-tragedy
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I wonder how long till we see the riots protesting his excessive bail.
The left sure seems to pick their heroes and martyrs from the bottom of the scum pool.
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MechAg94 opined:
"The bail issue would be less of a problem if we figured out how to complete investigations and have a trial within a few months instead of a year. "
<JOKE>
We'd probably have a more "speedy trial" if we had fewer criminals.
We'd probably have fewer criminals if we had a less severe criminal law system.
We'd probably have a less severe criminal law system if we got rid of a bunch of malum prohibitum criminal laws and stopped making lesser crimes felonies.
<I was kidding. This isn't really a joke.>
Terry, 230RN
REF:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malum_prohibitum
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MechAg94 opined:
"The bail issue would be less of a problem if we figured out how to complete investigations and have a trial within a few months instead of a year. "
<JOKE>
We'd probably have a more "speedy trial" if we had fewer criminals.
We'd probably have fewer criminals if we had a less severe criminal law system.
We'd probably have a less severe criminal law system if we got rid of a bunch of malum prohibitum criminal laws and stopped making lesser crimes felonies.
<I was kidding. This isn't really a joke.>
Terry, 230RN
REF:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malum_prohibitum
Too many felonies is a problem, but I don't think it is the only problem by far. And that doesn't even cover the prosecutorial misconduct and badly written laws.
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Most of the people in prison are there for violent crimes.
I have some fantasy ideas for rehabbing our legal system.
I suggest we rapidly execute anyone convicted of a serious violent crime (murder, attempted murder, armed robbery etc). At least a mandatory execution for murder. England used to do this up until the 50s or so.
Non-violent criminals are publicly caned immediately after conviction, and then released.
Prison only for lesser violent crimes and criminals who don't learn their lesson from being caned.
Would it work? Maybe.
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Would it work? Maybe.
We know for a fact what we're doing right now isn't
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The “execute all lawbreakers” thing has been tried. Wasn’t very successful.
If you look at violent crime rates, what we are doing now isn’t so bad all things considered.
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The “execute all lawbreakers” thing has been tried. Wasn’t very successful.
If you look at violent crime rates, what we are doing now isn’t so bad all things considered.
As mentioned above, what we're doing now would work better if we could ensure speedy trials. Also by ensuring we keep "diversity" and the law separate, especially for things like jury selection.
As for the death penalty, I (who was once sorta in the "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" camp) will reiterate my current feelings on the subject: Death penalty (quickly) only for heinous crimes with multiple, independent, concrete witnesses and forms of evidence. Mass shooters for whom there are multiple video recordings and/or who even proudly admit their crimes are an example).
DNA analysis has shown us that far too many innocent people have been sent to prison because of bad evidence, lying witnesses, and malicious police work. I'm currently firmly in the "better a hundred guilty men go free" camp - especially when you see things like what is happening to the 06JAN prisoners, no knock warrants, etc.
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The “execute all lawbreakers” thing has been tried. Wasn’t very successful.
Not what he said and I quote "anyone convicted of a serious violent crime"
Also not what I said and I quote "We know for a fact what we're doing right now isn't" which is not a full agreement of what he said just a statement in fact what we're doing now isn't working.
If you look at violent crime rates, what we are doing now isn’t so bad all things considered.
What all things considered? It's bad and getting worse.
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I'm pretty sure Cordex was referring not to the OP, but to WLJ's post regarding a BLM protest.
Sorry. I misunderstood.
That article was about a demonstration in Connecticut? You'd have to look for a long time to find a Trump supporter in Connecticut. There are probably a few there, but I doubt they're out driving through demonstrations.
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Voicing my thoughts on this whole situation would probably get me on some more lists...
The Milwaukee DA, John Chisolm, who played catch and release with this unrealized rap star, is the same DA that was using gestapo tactics against Governor Walker's supporters, using early morning SWAT raids against donors, confiscating their possessions, locking them up, and ignoring Appeals and WI Supreme Court rulings to stop harassing innocent people. IOW, he had no issue with destroying lives of innocent people for political purposes, but allows violent criminals free for the cause of 'equity.'
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Moreso, The Milwaukee DA's office declined to prosecute Gaige Grosskreutz's 2nd OWI that occurred in January of this year, and also sealed the records pertaining to Gaige's address.
I'm not sure if linky works, but I'll give it a shot. https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2021CT000032&countyNo=40&index=0&mode=details
I'm of the mind that when prosecutors belonging to a certain party refuse to detain and prosecute dangerous criminal activities, they are committing political violence against the people.
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Not what he said and I quote "anyone convicted of a serious violent crime"
Also not what I said and I quote "We know for a fact what we're doing right now isn't" which is not a full agreement of what he said just a statement in fact what we're doing now isn't working.
What all things considered? It's bad and getting worse.
Any crime is bad, and the past couple years have been disproportionately bad, but it has been significantly worse ever since about the 1960s. Recent murder rates are almost half what they were in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s. Robberies are at a third of where they were in the 90’s.
Yeah, we might be taking a turn for the worse, and that decrease may be largely do to massive incarceration rates but most serious violent crimes are far less common than they have been during most of my life.
Rape is the only outlier as it is only down 25% from its peak in the 90’s, but that may be because it is not as socially damaging to report rape as it once was.
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Moreso, The Milwaukee DA's office declined to prosecute Gaige Grosskreutz's 2nd OWI that occurred in January of this year, and also sealed the records pertaining to Gaige's address.
I'm not sure if linky works, but I'll give it a shot. https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2021CT000032&countyNo=40&index=0&mode=details
I'm of the mind that when prosecutors belonging to a certain party refuse to detain and prosecute dangerous criminal activities, they are committing political violence against the people.
Tar, feathers, rail, corrupt politician... Some assembly required.
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Any crime is bad, and the past couple years have been disproportionately bad, but it has been significantly worse ever since about the 1960s. Recent murder rates are almost half what they were in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s. Robberies are at a third of where they were in the 90’s.
Yeah, we might be taking a turn for the worse, and that decrease may be largely do to massive incarceration rates but most serious violent crimes are far less common than they have been during most of my life.
Rape is the only outlier as it is only down 25% from its peak in the 90’s, but that may be because it is not as socially damaging to report rape as it once was.
Let's us also not forget that there very well may be a good deal of creative accounting involved in modern crime stats.
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Any crime is bad, and the past couple years have been disproportionately bad, but it has been significantly worse ever since about the 1960s. Recent murder rates are almost half what they were in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s. Robberies are at a third of where they were in the 90’s.
Okay, lets do nothing until it reaches that level again. :O
Meanwhile we're locally having a record year for just about every crime stat
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Is there a Go Fund Me for him yet?
Well, there was one
GoFundMe pulls fundraiser for Waukesha suspect Darrell Brooks
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/gofundme-pulls-down-fundraiser-for-waukesha-suspect
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the woke shaw police dept are inept government bureaucrats that kneel to BLM.
the pictures of them kneeling to blm were all over the media
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RoadKingLarry said,
"Let's also not forget that there very well may be a good deal of creative accounting involved in modern crime stats."
I was about to offer something similar.
"Statistics don't lie. But statisticians do." Richard P. Runyon, PhD.
Too, there's the old adage "if it bleeds it leads" in re newspaper publishing, so things are weighted to "man bites dog" items.
The thing is, the character of crime seems to have changed due to unthinking dog-pack behavior. Nowadays, what defines a leader is whether or not he/she/it has a megaphone.
As I say, I wish these woke people would awaken to reality.
Terry. 230RN
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(https://i.redd.it/3v816ro71t181.jpg)
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Not the first time that technique has been used. I do b'leeves I noticed a lot of "darkening" around election time.
I thought I was being wun uh them paranoid right wingers so I didn't document any proof.
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Garbage photo comparison. Those are two different photos. Things look different in different lighting, different environments.
Here are several photos of the guy who plays Worf:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=michael+dorn&t=brave&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images
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Garbage photo comparison. Those are two different photos. Things look different in different lighting, different environments.
Here are several photos of the guy who plays Worf:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=michael+dorn&t=brave&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images
Right, because CNN would never do anything like that to push a narrative. ;/
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Right, because CNN would never do anything like that to push a narrative. ;/
Right, because CNN has never done anything like that to push a narrative.
Oh, wait...
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It's been observed that 3 people were murdered in the Boston Marathon bombing, and twice as many were killed in Waukesha. Many more casualties in Boston, of course.
Right, because CNN would never do anything like that to push a narrative. ;/
;/ right back atcha. Of course Big Media does that stuff. My point stands.
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Garbage photo comparison. Those are two different photos. Things look different in different lighting, different environments.
Here are several photos of the guy who plays Worf:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=michael+dorn&t=brave&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images
For the photos that come up on my computer, I don't see any differences that get near the level of that photo. It still could be lighting. I saw a similar comparison regarding a politician recently who was doing something the left didn't like.
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As I was saying earlier in the thread, this was political violence, or at least criminal incompetence… a county like Milwaukee can’t possibly criminally incompetent all of the time, could it?
https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2021/12/01/darrell-brooks-bail-hearing/?amp=1
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As I was saying earlier in the thread, this was political violence, or at least criminal incompetence… a county like Milwaukee can’t possibly criminally incompetent all of the time, could it?
https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2021/12/01/darrell-brooks-bail-hearing/?amp=1
Milwaukee county and Dane county are the reason WI is purple. If they were removed from the state we'd be much better off.
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Milwaukee county and Dane county are the reason WI is purple. If they were removed from the state we'd be much better off.
When I visited my son awhile ago at UW Madison, I noticed that there were ‘mail in ballot’ collection boxes at random locations around the campus. I could barely contain my disdain for the city and their illegal voting procedures.
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Apparently the driver of the SUV feels that he's being treated unfairly and is being demonized and dehumanized.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/waukesha-christmas-parade-suspect-im-being-demonized-dehumanized?utm_campaign=dw_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=housefile&utm_content=non_member
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Apparently the driver of the SUV feels that he's being treated unfairly and is being demonized and dehumanized.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/waukesha-christmas-parade-suspect-im-being-demonized-dehumanized?utm_campaign=dw_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=housefile&utm_content=non_member
Also I read that his mother said this is all the government's fault for not helping her little boy.
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(https://c.tenor.com/ZmeuDyR4qZAAAAAM/play-violin-violin.gif)
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Apparently the driver of the SUV feels that he's being treated unfairly and is being demonized and dehumanized.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/waukesha-christmas-parade-suspect-im-being-demonized-dehumanized?utm_campaign=dw_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=housefile&utm_content=non_member
He is being dehumanized. Legacy media keep calling him an SUV.
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He is being dehumanized. Legacy media keep calling him an SUV.
That's funny right there.
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It's easier to buy an SUV than it is to check out a library book. Close the SUV loophole, it's for the children.
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I bet that SUV was even an automatic. You know, it shifts with one push of the pedal.
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He is being dehumanized. Legacy media keep calling him an SUV.
=D
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I bet that SUV was even an automatic. You know, it shifts with one push of the petal.
But was it automatic, or semi-automatic?
Or was it a semi-automatic in FULLY semi-automatic mode?
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I bet that SUV was even an automatic. You know, it shifts with one push of the petal.
Petal?
So it was a floral SUV?
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Petal?
So it was a floral SUV?
Auto correct strikes again!
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He was pushing the petal to the medal.
(No fair making the correction without indicating that a change was made. :police: )
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I'm not sure what side of that you're on?
I don't believe in "political bail" where outrageous sums are set because someone is not liked, or an "enemy of the (current) state", or what have you. Just like it's an abomination that the 06JAN political prisoners are being held without bail.
However, in the case of this guy, what is the solution? He has a 50 page rap sheet full of felonies. He was out on $1000 bail for running someone else over just before this atrocity. How do you handle bail for someone like this, who has shown himself to be a flight risk and a menace to society?
I don't have any concrete answers, but letting him easily make bail to once again commit felonies in order to honor "reasonable bail" seems to be an imprudent choice here. In a sane society, someone would have already shot him long ago and he'd no longer be a problem.
The answer to this guy isn't going to be found in bail reform, but in speed of trial and sentencing reform.
Someone with dozens of felonies should be in prison. Not mowing one person over, getting a $1000 bail, and mowing down dozens more people while waiting trial on the first person he mowed down.
If bail were $1000 or $10,000 or $100,000 or even $1,000,000... if he put up $1 million and mowed down dozens of people while out on bail, we'd just be saying "why is he allowed bail at all?" with his record.
The process needs to be streamlined. Arrested, charged, tried, verdict, done. And the sentence carried out to completion, so he can't commit more felonies during that sentence.
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Re- review re excessive bail:
https://law.justia.com/constitution/us/amendment-08/01-excessive-bail.html
QUOTE
“...The only arguable substantive limitation of the Bail Clause is that the government’s proposed conditions of release or detention not be ‘excessive’ in light of the perceived evil.”23 “Detention prior to trial of arrestees charged with serious felonies who are found after an adversary hearing to pose a threat to the safety of individuals or to the community which no condition of release can dispel” satisfies this requirement.2
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To challenge bail as excessive, one must move for a reduction, and, if that motion is denied, appeal to the Court of Appeals, and, if unsuccessful, appeal to the Supreme Court Justice sitting for that circuit.
[Emphasis mine]
END QUOTE
I'm concerned that abuse of bail can be used as a political weapon, but on the other hand, I understand the provisions for meeting the government's interest in shielding the population from this kind of previously-demonstrated dangerous behavior.
If it's "excessive," let him appeal it.
If some organization or person actually posts that amount, if I were them, I'd keep pretty darned close track of him after his release under that bail. To the point of effectively keeping him a "private" prisoner.
Terry, 230RN
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That's funny right there.
Kidding aside, there are 6 innocent people who felt a little dehumanized when this guy turned them into lifeless ragdolls.
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Kidding aside, there are 6 innocent people who felt a little dehumanized when this guy turned them into lifeless ragdolls.
Very true.
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Darrell Brooks faces new charges; threatened, offered marriage to victim | FOX6 News Milwaukee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy8vnR0ZKl4
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Wait a minute, now. We can't keep talking about this. It does not serve the narrative, and must be forgotten. You will now discuss January 6th.
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Wait a minute, now. We can't keep talking about this. It does not serve the narrative, and must be forgotten. You will now discuss January 6th.
What do you think would have happened if the groups in the building had caught up with VP Pence?
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What do you think would have happened if the groups in the building had caught up with VP Pence?
Which ones? The people who were staying inside the roped off walk ways or the other people who initially crashed through the doors?
I figure it would be a bunch of words and not much else. However, I don't know what a bunch of panicky capital hill police or SS would have done.
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Which ones? The people who were staying inside the roped off walk ways or the other people who initially crashed through the doors?
I figure it would be a bunch of words and not much else. However, I don't know what a bunch of panicky capital hill police or SS would have done.
Yup. The only person killed that day was an unarmed woman protestor. Those most boisterous of those guys would have done nothing but yell at Pence, which, not much different than when progressives go and yell in front of Republicans homes and it gets covered by the MSM as free speech.
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What do you think would have happened if the groups in the building had caught up with VP Pence?
Maybe he'd tell his kids: "That's what freedom sounds like."
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What do you think would have happened if the groups in the building had caught up with VP Pence?
The FBI and their lackies would have left Pence alone =D
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I figure it would be a bunch of words and not much else. However, I don't know what a bunch of panicky capital hill police or SS would have done.
That is exactly what I was wondering about. if the Secret Service detail got to hear the chants of 'Hang Mike Pence', I wonder if things would have quickly gone downhill at that point, or would they think the chant was a harmless jape?
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What do you think would have happened if the groups in the building had caught up with VP Pence?
I'm curious as to why you would ask. Props for using the word jape, though. Love the deep cuts.
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I'm curious as to why you would ask. Props for using the word jape, though. Love the deep cuts.
I was driving from Texas to Minnesota earlier this week, and I was listening to Pandora a lot. I put it in "deep cuts" mode, so it was serving up some obscure music. One song was called "Don't Go There" by Asleep at the Wheel. It went into way too specific detail (ridiculous details) about Ozzy Osborne pissing on the Alamo. I thought to myself, "this can't just be a novelty song, it sounds like an actual historic event" And it was :laugh: Somehow I had never heard of it. Perhaps because it happened in the early 80's when I was finishing up my degree at Texas A&M. I didn't have much access to TV or other news sources at the time.
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I'm curious as to why you would ask. Props for using the word jape, though. Love the deep cuts.
I read this, and I thought 'deep cut'? So I Googled it, and then I saw zxcvbob's post below. I am now having very much of an 'ok, boomer' moment. ???
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What do you think would have happened if the groups in the building had caught up with VP Pence?
I figure there would have been a whole lot of yelling. I seriously doubt that the toy gallows or toy guillotine would have been brought into play. They were symbols.
Then again, the left believes that symbols have the power of the real thing.
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Which ones? The people who were staying inside the roped off walk ways or the other people who initially crashed through the doors?
I figure it would be a bunch of words and not much else. However, I don't know what a bunch of panicky capital hill police or SS would have done.
That's an odd way to describe Capitol Police opening doors from the inside to let people in.
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Yup. The only person killed that day was an unarmed woman protestor. Those most boisterous of those guys would have done nothing but yell at Pence, which, not much different than when progressives go and yell in front of Republicans homes and it gets covered by the MSM as free speech.
You forgot the guy pushed off the ledge by the cop outside who fell 30+ feet onto concrete and died later.
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There is the tunnel too... Google that... Or use duckduckgo...
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Fashionably late
So soon? First lady and second gentleman will visit Waukesha, Wisconsin next week
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/12/11/so-soon-first-lady-and-second-gentleman-will-visit-waukesha-wisconsin-next-week/
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Mary Lemanski sparked outrage with posts suggesting the Waukesha killer drove his SUV through paraders Sunday — killing five and injuring dozens — because he “probably felt threatened” like teen gunman Rittenhouse had during the state’s riots last year in Kenosha.
“It was probably just self-defense,” she also tweeted on her since-deleted page, suggesting the suspect — a convicted pedophile with a lengthy rap sheet — “came to help people,” again like Rittenhouse testified he had done.
“You reap what you sow,” she wrote, saying, “I just believe in Karma and this came around quick on the citizens of Wisconsin.”
:O
She has since been fired.
You really got to wonder what is going on in some people's heads nowadays.
Illinois Dem fired over ‘reprehensible’ tweets calling Waukesha Christmas parade ‘karma’
https://nypost.com/2021/11/23/illinois-dem-fired-over-tweets-calling-wisconsin-deaths-karma/
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That's an odd way to describe Capitol Police opening doors from the inside to let people in.
There was that one video that was released. Maybe it was windows they broke in.
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It's a bold strategy, Cotton.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/10/13/waukesha-parade-massacre-suspect-moves-for-trial-to-be-dismissed-because-none-of-his-victims-are-present/
Waukesha massacre suspect Darrell Brooks is asking for his case to be dismissed because the victims are not present in court.
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It's a bold strategy, Cotton.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/10/13/waukesha-parade-massacre-suspect-moves-for-trial-to-be-dismissed-because-none-of-his-victims-are-present/
Arguing he can’t “confront his accusers”?
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So they moved him to another room, where he could participate virtually. Amongst other shenanigans, he built himself a box fort, so they couldn't see him on the camera.
I can't imagine how much rage I'd be feeling if someone in my family were hurt or killed by this overgrown, snarling man-child.
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Considering how he's tried to turn his trial into a circus should be interesting to watch when they read the verdict. Jury is suppose to be in deliberation at the moment.
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He's calling for a mistrial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og7LRAlSaEY
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He's calling for a mistrial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og7LRAlSaEY
Of course he is. I imagine the judge and jury are going to very thrilled when this is over.
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Jury going home for now, will resume deliberations tomorrow.
What the _____ is taking so long?
Edit: scratch that. Reading it now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haQcE0mfBRY
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKZL2ogi2h4
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Guilty of first degree intentional homicide. All 6 counts.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/darrell-brooks-found-guilty-first-degree-intentional-homicide-waukesha-christmas-parade-massacre
Nice.
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Guilty of bail jumping too
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So far he's remained quiet and composed which actually surprises me.
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^^^I have not followed this case since it happened. Is the convicted perpetrator mentally ill or just malicious?
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^^^I have not followed this case since it happened. Is the convicted perpetrator mentally ill or just malicious?
"At this point, what difference does it make?"
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^^^I have not followed this case since it happened. Is the convicted perpetrator mentally ill or just malicious?
Little from column A, little from column B....
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So he was convicted on every count, apparently, even assaulting his girlfriend before the murders. Has Wisconsin the death penalty?
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" Has Wisconsin the death penalty?"
Nope. Not had the death penalty since... 1853.
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Well, he's certainly going all the way with it. It was God's fault, man.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1585034294174457858
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The guy is a for real moron, I've been following the case a bit.
He's one of those moorish sovereign citizens
He is not mentally ill, he is just really stupid and just clever enough to fool himself.
By the end of the trial he managed to at least learn some legal terms, he used the same strategy he used to win street arguments berate and mutter loudly under his breath and stare menacingly .
it really reminded me of this old SNL skit from when they were funny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We_Tu2kgbFA
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Darrell Brooks Jr., the man convicted of killing six people when he plowed his red Ford SUV through a Christmas parade last year in Wisconsin, was sentenced on Wednesday to six consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole for each count of first-degree intentional homicide.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/darrell-brooks-jr-wisconsin-christmas-parade-killer-sentenced-six-consecutive-life-sentences
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it really reminded me of this old SNL skit from when they were funny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We_Tu2kgbFA
Tim was an unsung hero of 90s SNL.
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"...was sentenced on Wednesday to six consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole for each count of first-degree intentional homicide. "
So, 36 life sentences?
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"...was sentenced on Wednesday to six consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole for each count of first-degree intentional homicide. "
So, 36 life sentences?
How’d you calculate that?
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How’d you calculate that?
That's what Fox news wrote. "six consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole for each count of first-degree intentional homicide. " times six counts of homicide is 36 life sentences.
I imagine that the sentence that Fox news was attempting to write was: "six consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole, one for each count of first-degree intentional homicide."
I also suspect that Terry was pointing out someone whose job it is to write clear English and at least one person whose job it is to edit articles for clarity managed to F up a pretty simple sentence.
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That's what Fox news wrote. "six consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole for each count of first-degree intentional homicide. " times six counts of homicide is 36 life sentences.
I imagine that the sentence that Fox news was attempting to write was: "six consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole, one for each count of first-degree intentional homicide."
I also suspect that Terry was pointing out someone whose job it is to write clear English and at least one person whose job it is to edit articles for clarity managed to F up a pretty simple sentence.
Do they even have editors, or even proof-readers anymore? I suspect the reporters write their own copy and it goes straight to publication. Editors and proof-readers are expensive. (there probably is someone with the title of editor, but basically an executive editor who draws a bigger salary but doesn't do anything)
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Expecting correct math is racist
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Werd problms iz hard!
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Well, they had a series of pruf readers for press releases and so on where eye wurjed, and I was the last of three to proofreed the wordiage. I still found errors.
Even 2day I can be a pain in the ass about it. I will forgive errors which actually increase readability (e.g, ending a sentence with a proposition, dangling modifiers) and communication in common speech, though.
Well, maybe I'm just a general pain in the ass anyway, proofreading skills notwithstanding.
But that 36 life sentences gave me a good laugh.
Well-deserved, though.
Terry, 230RN
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Well, they had a series of pruf readers for press releases and so on where eye wurjed, and I was the last of three to proofreed the wordiage. I still found errors.
Even 2day I can be a pain in the ass about it. I will forgive errors which actually increase readability (e.g, ending a sentence with a proposition, dangling modifiers) and communication in common speech, though.
Well, maybe I'm just a general pain in the ass anyway, proofreading skills notwithstanding.
But that 36 life sentences gave me a good laugh.
Well-deserved, though.
Terry, 230RN
yes, it was hilarious to watch!! I was laughing me buttoks off.
If I am correct, he has to finish one term at a time - for all the guilty verdicts - it's gotta be like 200 years or something - it is really really funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-98ufy-eyI
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To me the funny part was the 6 X 6 = 36 life terms according to the way the article was written.
Otherwise, there was nothing funny about the situation.
You are right, the actual punishment was 6 (same as number of dead victims) life sentences to be served sequentially, not concurrently, and without parole possible.
Sentences like "19 years to life" are possible, though. Such was Phil Spector's sentence for the murder of Lana Clarkson.
Terry
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I can't resist adding to a poster's question about them not having editors by pointing out that nowadays too much reliance is placed on automatic text editors. Thus the meme I saw recently: "Spellcheck is my worst enema."
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I wonder if a public defender would have or could have gotten him lesser charges or a lighter sentence.
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I wonder if a public defender would have or could have gotten him lesser charges or a lighter sentence.
I would bet it would have, Kenosha is an hour away iirc, It seems to be a very blue/woke area .
The Waukesha police kneeled to BLM, when that wave of woke police doing that happened I was truly sickened , I knew somehow that appeasing the violent left was a huge mistake-I feel it contributed to Brooks mindset ( i have no proof tho )
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I would bet it would have, Kenosha is an hour away iirc, It seems to be a very blue/woke area .
The Waukesha police kneeled to BLM, when that wave of woke police doing that happened I was truly sickened. I knew somehow that appeasing the violent left was a huge mistake-I feel it contributed to Brooks mindset ( I have no proof tho. )
Good insight. I wish more people would realize the cost of complicity with criminals. Like the old protection racket: "You need to buy our 'insurance' just in case 'something' happens to your grocery store. You wouldn't want that to happen, would you? Who knows... a fire, an earthquake..." (Releases grip on "client's" lapels and solicitously brushes off the "client's" now-wrinkled lapels with an evil grin "The 'premium' is only $175 once a week. Every week." he adds.)
Terry "Don't ask me about my business," 230RN