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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: ConstitutionCowboy on November 26, 2021, 03:20:24 PM
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This morning while powdering my undies with Goldbond powder - because "old man" - I noticed some of the powder filtered through the fabric. Seeing that, I wondered if the powder would filter through one of those blue paper masks, so I tested it and It will.
Now, those powder granules are very fine but many times larger than a virus. Conclusion: If the powder can filter through one of those filters, one of those filters isn't going to contain very many viruses.
Mask efficacy is zero in my observation.
I will admit it took a little bit of tapping on the filter for the powder to drift out in little puffs, but once it started showing up, it puffed with each tap. (Those masks are double layer so it had to penetrate the inside layer before it got to the outside layer. Breathing will likely create a forceful push through the filter carrying viruses aplenty.)
Again, it is like surrounding your house with a chain link fence to keep out mosquitoes.
Woody
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So two years in and there are still people that think virus particles travel around on their own? That to provide antiviral filtration something must stop particles that require a SEM to see?
This is the definition of willfully ignorant.
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So two years in and there are still people that think virus particles travel around on their own? That to provide antiviral filtration something must stop particles that require a SEM to see?
This is the definition of willfully ignorant.
Masks are useful but not perfect.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33087517/
Important takeaway:
Airborne simulation experiments showed that cotton masks, surgical masks, and N95 masks provide some protection from the transmission of infective SARS-CoV-2 droplets/aerosols; however, medical masks (surgical masks and even N95 masks) could not completely block the transmission of virus droplets/aerosols even when sealed.
Offering a sarcastic critique without explanation is retarded.
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While I probably wouldn't have been as brutal about it as dogmush... he isn't wrong.
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Offering a sarcastic critique without explanation is retarded.
The first 10 times someone spouted this basic idea on this site, I was nicer, provided critique, with sources, and verifiable percentages of efficacy for different types of masks. That info is all presented, politely, in the various COVID threads on this forum, as well as a 10 minute dive into google.
I wasn't being sarcastic in my response. To be that wrong about airborne viral transmission two years into a global pandemic is willful. You have to avoid learning.
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Masks are great compliance training devices.
It's just like in the military, they make you do pointless tasks frequently just to keep you tuned up to do what your told.
For those of us (now) living where there are no mask mandates it allows us to identify those who are most fearful, prone to believe propaganda or just do what the authorities tell them to do without question.
You're in FL aren't you dogmush? Do you wear a mask anywhere it's not required?
Last time I was in FL it was so incredibly liberating to not wear the stupid mask that I couldn't believe I put up with it in IL as long as I did. Where I'm at in IN seems to be halfway between IL and FL in mask wearing. For all practical purposes I'm still in a Chicago suburb, just one with no mask mandate.
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I don't like being ill. I wore the mask before I got vaccinated.
Now I don't unless I am forced to.
If the vaccine works, I won't get sick.
If it doesn't work, I'm going to get the disease eventually, so I might as well get it over with.
That is what I figure anyway.
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You're in FL aren't you dogmush? Do you wear a mask anywhere it's not required?
Last time I was in FL it was so incredibly liberating to not wear the stupid mask that I couldn't believe I put up with it in IL as long as I did. Where I'm at in IN seems to be halfway between IL and FL in mask wearing. For all practical purposes I'm still in a Chicago suburb, just one with no mask mandate.
I am, and *expletive deleted*ck no, I don't. I try to make realistic risk decisions based on what's happening locally, and not be somewhere I need PPE. Luckily most of my preferred recreation is outside, and solo, or with my wife. It hasn't been that big a deal for me to not go to movies (at all) or restaurants (very much). I did have to attend a couple large gatherings of people while the cases were surging locally where I would have worn a mask had it not been mandated, but it was. (One of those ended up being a kind of spreader event, where about 20% of the folks that attended got COVID, but they were *expletive deleted*ing off with PPE and distancing rules too, so [shrug])
Being a DOD employee and Reservist, I have had to deal with mandates at work and training, and even had to enforce them. I provided the stats and papers on effectiveness, gave the guidelines that I was given to enforce, and went about my day. We had one guy be a problem and that got kicked above my pay grade very quickly.
I don't think I ever was a staunch supporter of blanket mask mandates. In some localities at some times? They might make sense, but our various Executives in government have gotten pretty power happy.
The problem is people unable or unwilling to learn the actual usefulness (or not) of any given PPE hampers peoples ability to make realistic risk assessments and carry on with life. The ideologues either hamstring efficacy where it would be useful by not bothering to have or correctly wear PPE, or waste and unnecessarily impede people by insisting on PPE where it isn't warranted.
FWIW, wife, Pup and I are finishing up an 11 day Thanksgiving road trip this weekend.13 states and I put on a mask like 4 times. National parks and forests are the bomb.
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Pretty sure I saw that horse moving, maybe it was just twitching :laugh:
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Pretty sure I saw that horse moving, maybe it was just twitching :laugh:
I'm not sure that particular horse will ever be declared dead.
bob
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I wore a mask. I maintained the 6 foot rule. I greeted people with the elbow bump, etc. I take vitamin "C", "D3", CoQ10, and zinc. I caught the covid on my annual checkup at the VA hospital.
I'm fully recovered now and can boast that I now have natural immunity with the trained "B" cells at the ready to spring into action and produce the required antibodies when the next Covid-19 pathogen attempts to invade.
Nothing I did or wore in the first paragraph prevented me from contracting the Covid - even in the supposedly clean hospital environment.
Woody
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Out of curiosity, how do you know where you caught it?
I got it last year while doing all the things, but I have no idea where.
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The mask thing has some reasonable efficacy. Then the .gov stepped in with pointless and draconian mandates only the military could love. And here we are.
I laugh at every moron I see driving down the road, alone, wearing a mask.
Well done. We've taken a PPE measure that actually had the slightest bit of efficacy and turned it into a covid cult rite. *expletive deleted*ing morons.
Had we played this right, we could've ended up like the Japs, where wearing a mask while sick is the polite thing to do. Good *expletive deleted*ing luck now.
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As my wife Swmbo and I say...you are gonna get it or not. Nothing you do including getting the jab will negate that.
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Masks are useful but not perfect.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33087517/
Important takeaway:
Offering a sarcastic critique without explanation is retarded.
That second quote is pretty much what I figured. Larger droplets, etc. can be stopped or caught by the mask, but not everything. I still think the social distancing is the most effective thing done. Also, for whatever reason, coughing and sneezing in public seems to happen far far less than before.
The social distancing is about the only thing I still do for the most part. Most people I see still do it. They may not stick to 6 feet, but compared to 2019, it is a big difference. Very few people wear a mask here unless they are required to for work.
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As my wife Swmbo and I say...you are gonna get it or not. Nothing you do including getting the jab will negate that.
I mean... it's not a false dichotomy, because those are in fact the two outcomes. But I think fatalism ignores things we can do to shift odds. We can influence the probably towards a given outcome with our actions. And that's really all the mask thing is - reducing the probably of transmission my some amount.
Would you agree that the following statement is a good reason to not wear a seatbelt?
"You are gonna die in a car wreck or not. Nothing you do including wearing a seat belt will negate that."
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Seatbelts have actually been proven to save lives and reduce injury. Neither the vax or masks can say the same.
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We're planning a wake for a friend of mine who "did everything right."
I'm sure she wore a mask when she went to get her booster shot.
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Seatbelts have actually been proven to save lives and reduce injury. Neither the vax or masks can say the same.
Really? May I ask how you concluded that?
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I still cannot get adequate supplies of PPE for my body shop customers.
Nitrile gloves have doubled in price. And we don't have them where the walk-in customers can see them, and get pissed when we won't sell them to them.
A "covid mask" won't stop the stuff you need a real respirator for. And Karen keeps buying the supply.
I wonder how much cancer, etc., we're going to see in a few years because of the bullshit. Because people have kept working, doing the jobs that can't be "done from home."
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Simulations are pointless anyway. What matters is whether mask policies work as a public health measure, and what the costs are, and what the goals are.
Practically every test will show that wearing a bicycle helmet will protect your brain more than not wearing one. However, bicycle helmet laws have proven to be all but worthless, as public health measures, basically everywhere. They don't really save people or reduce injuries in any meaningful capacity, and that's totally ignoring the costs. Even if there were a benefit, it still wouldn't prove anything until the costs and goals were considered.
Personally, based on the data I've seen, I'm sure respirators work, I doubt surgical or cloth masks do anything, and it doesn't matter, because mask mandates are stupid and haven't been shown to be effective as a public health measure, and effectiveness hasn't even been defined.
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I don't believe masks work to stop viral transmission- There have been adjacent counties ,similar populations, one with mandate one without, no difference in infection. I can't see any real world success, it would be very hard to prove either a success or a failure with all the variables.
To open up the discussion from a works-don't work level- lets say I am wrong, and masks do work for this -
everything has a downside, or an opportunity cost- So what are we refusing to see? Other infections from the continuous wearing of a presumably contaminated mask? Weird social adaptations from children who never get to see a human face?
Everything has an unexpected consequence.
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I always figured one of the effects of a mask was to prevent spittle and sputum from ordinary speaking from getting around. Either to within the mask from without or vice-versa.
A particle of spittle due from pronouncing a fricative gets out, floats around, the moisture evaporates, and the bugs it contained float around for even longer and for a greater distance.
Sort of like salt air spray from the ocean, where the water evaporates, and the micro-micro particles of salt still float around for quite a distance inland.
Masks also tend to keep you from rubbing or touching your mouth and nose, which is a known transmission vector for nasties.
In my opinon (no science involved) the slight moisturizing from your breath helps to trap the actual germs, and I suspect if the "underwear experiment" were performed with even a very very slight dampness, the results would be much less than dramatized in the OP.
After all, analogously, they treat regular filters (as on your intake manifold or your furnace) with resins to help trap nasty particles from entering your engine or getting into your house.
Ninety percent isn't as good as 100% but it's still better than 80%.
Honestly, this silly actively looking for negatives about the masks is ridiculous, and if people think it is for control/training purposes, I don't know what to think of y'all. Bunch of "Typhoid Maries," as far as I can tell.
There. I said it and I ain't takin' it back.
In fact, I've said it before.
Terry, 230RN
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I'm 61 yrs old, and no one told me about no powders
gosh! I am always the last one in the darned loop!
anyway, i was so sure my supplement regimen was what kept me alive, it was just luck maybe.
I take ( except for when I am so sick from covid i cannot even open the vitamin jars ) 1 to 5 grams of C, more than the recommended dose of zinc/d3/b complex...or maybe it was what kept me from dying?........ It is illegal to throw virgins into the volcano, and active volcanoes seem to be far away - how can i avoid the rona's ??? i suspect its impossible and it is endemic......
I have asked a few of my liberal vaxx mandate friends about this brand new strain/variant called omnicon or omnicron or something
the vaxx is supposed to be 40% effective, but I am trying to get the friends I have that support a medical police state for a gentlemans bet
that there will be a whole new set of vaxxs by february, because the vaxxs taken last yr are ineffective ... they have yet to get back to me.
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There's still lingering confusion about masks thanks, in large part, to government - it seems that everyone from Biden and Pelosi to St. Fauci himself has changed their tune not based on the science, but on the politics.
St. Fauci went from no masks to endorsing the wearing 2 or even 3 masks - if it was science, that would say that St. Fauci and his minions had determined that 1 mask wasn't very protective. (St. Fauci claimed he initially lied about masks to preserve the supply for health care workers, so his credibility is not high.)
I've either been prudent or lucky in avoiding the Chinese virus - got the jabs earlier this year, avoided dense crowds like flea markets and gun shows :'( , washed my hands, kept hand sanitizer in my car and used it every time I got in after touching something like a gas pump or shopping cart, and I irradiate my mail & newspaper in a germicidal UV box I built, just in case a sickly mailman or paper boy sneezed on my stuff just before delivery.
And I'll close by saying that I expect to be mightily disappointed in all the "civilized" nations for not putting extreme sanctions on Red China for what they did to the world - it would seem the CCP got real value for all the money they spread around. :mad:
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They basically only provide a sense of security.
Unless the wearer is shaved, closely, and a mask of the proper material is fitted, tightly, they leak.
And then there are the folks who say "I'm doing this because I care for you," and they are wearing a vented mask.
Our politicians had to Do Something.
That's about it.
They also had to Do Something by rushing through the vaccines, boosters, etc... They had the play-acting quarantine - which involved everyone going at once to the store to buy all the toilet paper and everything on the shelves.
The Chinese took the common cold, and threw some really bad propaganda at it, and our media, along with the fat part of the bell curve, believed it.
People still think that we have folks collapsing in the street.
Why are there still essential workers left? Karen expected us to die first, but hey, he was okay with that.
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Personally, based on the data I've seen, I'm sure respirators work, I doubt surgical or cloth masks do anything, and it doesn't matter, because mask mandates are stupid and haven't been shown to be effective as a public health measure, and effectiveness hasn't even been defined.
Honestly, if we're talking mask mandates or full "stay in your home" lockdowns, I almost have to agree with DeSelby on full lockdowns. As many of us here have mentioned, the most ubiquitous example of stupid mandates that are more social than scientific is the restaurant mandate where we have to wear a mask to our table, then everybody gets to sit around maskless in an enclosed space and spread germs. That's not effective masking, but we didn't want restaurants to go out of business (though a great many did) so we decided to create a health mandate with exceptions. Just like on airplanes. We couldn't let airlines go broke, so people have to wear masks, but you take them off while eating or drinking while strangers sit even closer to you than in restaurants. Or like the latest egregious example - Hollywood parties - we have the special people going maskless, even though we know vaccines aren't magic shields, while their vaccinated servants have to wear masks and gloves. Or like at Costco the other day where the cashier politely turned away from me, pulled her mask down and sneezed, then put the mask back on and turned to finish checking me out. She did that two more times before we were done.
Like Dogmush, my preferred social interactions limited the incidents where I had to abide by ineffective mask mandates as there are in restaurants and airplanes. Though like Constitution Cowboy, I got covid after at least a week of either being by myself or going to places where I had to wear a mask and where I followed the guidelines.
The Idaho Health Dept girl, who called me to do contact tracing after my positive test was reported to them, couldn't figure out how I got it. I suspect it might have been as 230RN mentioned, I might have scratched my nose or face while driving home, because I don't wear a mask when I'm by myself, and it was extremely difficult for me to remember to sanitize my hands every freakin' ten minutes.
Otherwise, mask mandates are stupid because of the reasons I mentioned above and creating tribalism where someone wearing a mask below their nose is a better person than someone maskless.
Also, as Andiron mentioned and I have mentioned before, I actually like the idea of masks in certain situations, like when you're sick (non-covid) and sitting next to me in the doctor's waiting room when I'm healthy and just there for a physical. We could have been wearing masks "strategically" and voluntarily long before covid, just like some other countries do, when we're out and about and actually sick. But the same people yelling "mask up comrade!" now would have been making fun of someone with the flu wearing a mask five years ago.
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The Chinese took the common cold, and threw some really bad propaganda at it, and our media, along with the fat part of the bell curve, believed it.
As someone who had the CCP virus as well as one of the long-term aftereffects, I guarantee it's not the common cold. I think my historical postings put me well outside the "OMG covid we're all going to die!" camp, but comparing it to the common cold is just silly. Especially if you, like me, believe this was likely accidentally or purposely leaked from an experimental lab with a military component to it, rather than a random bat in an outdoor food market.
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If masks worked it would be easily shown in the data. Instead we get the studies that show how they should work in theory (droplets, viral load etc.) The theory unfortunately didn't survive contact with reality. There are a handful of studies that contradict my assertion, there are far more studies that I've linked to previously that support my assertion.
The "vaccines" may have shown a decrease in infections initially but the protection fades much faster than hoped and variants are already working around vaccine protection.
The "vaccines" do seem to be proven to lower severity and mortality from covid infection at least for 6-12 months after getting jabbed. Hello, annual boosters.
What we don't know is the long term unintended consequences of mRNA therapy vaccines.
Lockdowns just stall the inevitable. If the vaccines actually worked like the polio or measles vaccines (ie stopped the spread) maybe lockdowns make some sense. Unfortunately not only do the jabbed still get infected but they are laboratories for the virus to select for vaccine resistant strains.
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Coronaviruses are part of what we call "the common cold."
I do think that they played with it before they let it go... Their propaganda campaign was there to cover the disposal of their protesters (and the old men in Peking can afford to lose population), but our media just flat-out loved it...
A holy grail for pharma was discovering a cure for the common cold. If they could have reliably and safely done that, it would have happened...
Then this bug got loose, and every swamp creature in Washington figured to jump on the bandwagon. I just have to wonder how things would have been different if Trump had a family member into biotech... As it was, the administration had no choice but to believe the healthcare bureaucracy...
And we're going to have a helluva wake for my friend Kay, who didn't survive the booster that she wanted to believe in...
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Coronaviruses are part of what we call "the common cold."
I think you wrote that backwards.
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As someone who had the CCP virus as well as one of the long-term aftereffects, I guarantee it's not the common cold. I think my historical postings put me well outside the "OMG covid we're all going to die!" camp, but comparing it to the common cold is just silly. Especially if you, like me, believe this was likely accidentally or purposely leaked from an experimental lab with a military component to it, rather than a random bat in an outdoor food market.
I tend to agree with Ben on the engineered status of the virus. (edited to add, I'm not dogmatic on this. Starting at "is it possible?" and then seeing what has transpired these last two years I see no reason to dismiss it as probable.)
Even just being open to that possibility causes one to start questioning all the information/disinformation we're being fed.
My risk assessments have all been based on my not trusting anyone, high skepticism flirting with paranoid, LOL. In the short term I got pretty darn sick but recovered. We will see how I fare in the long term and see how the vaccinated fare in the long term. I'm one of the minority in the control group.
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Out of curiosity, how do you know where you caught it?
I got it last year while doing all the things, but I have no idea where.
I live out in the county, no neighbors closer than a tenth of a mile unless you count horses and cattle. I hadn't gone anywhere the previous week, and nowhere else after going in for my annual checkup until I went to the emergency room 11 days later due to feeling like crap. The doctor told me I had the Covid and I was about over it and he sent me home with an oxygen bottle and an O2 concentrator. After about a week and a half, I no longer needed the O2 concentrator.
Woody
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Be careful with the D3. I think that's one you can overdose on. Knock yourself with the C; you can't get too much of that. (well, you can, but you'll just harmlessly pee out the excess and that might even be good for your bladder.)
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I think you wrote that backwards.
https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/cold-guide/common_cold_causes
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https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/cold-guide/common_cold_causes
Ok. You made it sound like all coronaviruses are colds, vs some colds being some coronaviruses.
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/coronaviruses
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"A mask is a patriotic responsibility, for God's sake!!!"
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/11/27/pic-video-of-biden-blowing-off-indoor-mask-requirement-on-nantucket-speaks-rules-for-thee-but-not-for-me-volumes/
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steve
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@stillgray
Peppermint Psaki's spin will be he's vaccinated, other people were wearing masks and it was just for a moment.
"Peppermint Psaki". That's great! :rofl:
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99.8% overall survival, and that is including octogenarian invalids and terminally ill patients...
Here in St. Louis, we have ZERO deaths with it under age 30.
About the only folks wearing masks are low income (too much TV) and hipsters.
Their theme is "I'm doing my part, and you should too, whether it works or not, but it does, because it is magical."
Changed a battery for a doctor the other day... "Yeah, they make the patients feel better."
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Masks also tend to keep you from rubbing or touching your mouth and nose, which is a known transmission vector for nasties.
I'm not convinced of that. Everybody I've seen has to keep adjusting their masks if they've had it on for any amount of time. Even discounting the photo op "mask on-off-on" (and why would you disregard that?) that handling of the mask has to increase the risk of spreading nasties, not limit it. Think of it, the one thing that a sick person is guaranteed to contaminate with the virus is the mask, and he handles it many times a day. The virus has made thinking people conscious of a lot of potential risk reductions*, but mask mandates only make people conscious of the rules.
*Yes, I believe masks help reduce spread, along with hand washing and distance from others. But they aren't magic bullets.
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I'm not convinced of that. Everybody I've seen has to keep adjusting their masks if they've had it on for any amount of time.
I'll agree with that. I know that I scratch or touch my face throughout the day for an itch or whatever, often not even paying attention that I'm doing it.
With the mask, I am constantly adjusting it, know I'm doing so, but still adjust it because the *expletive deleted*ing thing is always moving out of place anytime I move my mouth or jaw. I wouldn't be surprised if I touch my face way, way more wearing a mask than when maskless.
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Talks about masks, jabs, and mandates just makes me go all "Ebenezer".
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Bah ! Humbug !
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I always figured one of the effects of a mask was to prevent spittle and sputum from ordinary speaking from getting around. Either to within the mask from without or vice-versa.
A particle of spittle due from pronouncing a fricative gets out, floats around, the moisture evaporates, and the bugs it contained float around for even longer and for a greater distance.
Sort of like salt air spray from the ocean, where the water evaporates, and the micro-micro particles of salt still float around for quite a distance inland.
Masks also tend to keep you from rubbing or touching your mouth and nose, which is a known transmission vector for nasties.
In my opinon (no science involved) the slight moisturizing from your breath helps to trap the actual germs, and I suspect if the "underwear experiment" were performed with even a very very slight dampness, the results would be much less than dramatized in the OP.
After all, analogously, they treat regular filters (as on your intake manifold or your furnace) with resins to help trap nasty particles from entering your engine or getting into your house.
Ninety percent isn't as good as 100% but it's still better than 80%.
Honestly, this silly actively looking for negatives about the masks is ridiculous, and if people think it is for control/training purposes, I don't know what to think of y'all. Bunch of "Typhoid Maries," as far as I can tell.
There. I said it and I ain't takin' it back.
In fact, I've said it before.
Terry, 230RN
On that first part, I always imagined it was the larger droplets where the bugs survive longer and can inadvertently get transferred from one person to another either directly or via an intermediate surface. That is why I figured that social distancing is having an effect on cold and flu transmission. I have no idea if COVID works the same way or not.
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Honestly, this silly actively looking for negatives about the masks is ridiculous, and if people think it is for control/training purposes, I don't know what to think of y'all. Bunch of "Typhoid Maries," as far as I can tell.
Who knows if it will do any good, but I have used the report function to call attention to your calling multiple forum members "Typhoid Maries"[sic].
You're trying to shame people for not taking the totally unreasonable step of wearing masks everywhere they go? Even after a year and a half, when vaccines are readily available? And for that you liken us to Typhoid Mary? For crying out loud, she actually had the disease, and was told that she did. And it was a far more serious disease. Do you want to reconsider that, perhaps?
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So... I gotta wear this thing, which is leaky as hell, so is ineffective, because my vaccinations don't work, and your vaccinations don't work either?
Some folks really go all religious fanatic when they hear that.
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I tend to agree with Ben on the engineered status of the virus. (edited to add, I'm not dogmatic on this. Starting at "is it possible?" and then seeing what has transpired these last two years I see no reason to dismiss it as probable.)
Even just being open to that possibility causes one to start questioning all the information/disinformation we're being fed.
My risk assessments have all been based on my not trusting anyone, high skepticism flirting with paranoid, LOL. In the short term I got pretty darn sick but recovered. We will see how I fare in the long term and see how the vaccinated fare in the long term. I'm one of the minority in the control group.
me too, i got really really sick and all the symptoms are gone except i get tired really easy,( two weeks from worst symptoms) but i just can't shake this feeling that 5 yrs from now i will be very grateful i took no jabs
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I figure that four years from now, they'll be asking for the vax card when I sign up for any revenant (not a typo...) of social security.
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me too, i got really really sick and all the symptoms are gone except i get tired really easy,( two weeks from worst symptoms) but i just can't shake this feeling that 5 yrs from now i will be very grateful i took no jabs
If I were you I'd worry about lung function. That is something you might want to speak with a doctor about.
I think the individual risk of a COVID vaccine is probably pretty minor, however it still remains to be seen how long term repeated use will change things and it wouldn't surprise me if some people had long term health complications stemming from them. That said, given your persistent symptom you may indeed be a case where COVID has caused persistent damage.
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Coupla years ago, after I caught the crud from the kiddies doing Santa, it took me about a month to recover.
Whooping cough was big that year.
Right now I'm drinking my morning coffee, so that I don't snap and waste cow orkers...
You should be drinking coffee too, so that mine works.
Their fates are in your hands.
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me too, i got really really sick and all the symptoms are gone except i get tired really easy,( two weeks from worst symptoms) but i just can't shake this feeling that 5 yrs from now i will be very grateful i took no jabs
SWMBO and I both had the bug last December. Caught it from her son when he came over for Thanksgiving. We were both quite fatigued after all the other symptoms had cleared up. For me the post-bug fatigue lasted about a month, then I was able to get back to normal activity levels.
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If I were you I'd worry about lung function. That is something you might want to speak with a doctor about.
I think the individual risk of a COVID vaccine is probably pretty minor, however it still remains to be seen how long term repeated use will change things and it wouldn't surprise me if some people had long term health complications stemming from them. That said, given your persistent symptom you may indeed be a case where COVID has caused persistent damage.
In the hospital I was told I have some lung scarring, not sure if that heals or not. If I don't get back to precovid cardio levels in the spring I may see if I can get another xray.
For hospitalized pneumonia patients it is not unheard of for it to be 6 months or even longer to regain full function. The Covid pneumonia was the tough part, it's bilateral.
I know I have lung damage from being a smoker for many years. When they did my my lung function test years ago as part of my sleep study, they told me my lung volume indicated I was a smoker but my good 02 uptake indicated I was an ex smoker.
I still have a little frog in the throat but have no problem knocking out a 20 mile bike ride on the road at a decent clip. My mountain biking isn't nearly as strong as it was, but the loss of muscle mass is probably the main cause of that, you need strong legs to climb hills.
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Interesting article on cloth mask effectiveness:
https://www.cato.org/regulation/winter-2021/2022/how-effective-are-cloth-face-masks (https://www.cato.org/regulation/winter-2021/2022/how-effective-are-cloth-face-masks)
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If I were you I'd worry about lung function. That is something you might want to speak with a doctor about.
I think the individual risk of a COVID vaccine is probably pretty minor, however it still remains to be seen how long term repeated use will change things and it wouldn't surprise me if some people had long term health complications stemming from them. That said, given your persistent symptom you may indeed be a case where COVID has caused persistent damage.
Here is a test of my "lung function" I took of my "own design." It has been 4 months since I got over the Covid and went off the supplemental O2 and I am able to hold my breath for more than a minute. That may have more to do with lung capacity than function, but that is the case. Those of you who have had the Covid might want to do that "self test" and chime in. It might be interesting to compare those results with some of you who have not had the Covid.
Woody
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To Save Time, Biden To Ship 500 Million Free Masks Directly To Landfill
https://babylonbee.com/news/to-save-time-biden-to-send-500-million-free-masks-directly-to-landfill
WASHINGTON, D.C.—The White House is releasing new details surrounding President Biden’s plan to send free facemasks to every American. In an effort to save time, the free masks will be shipped directly to landfills nationwide.
At press time, the White House was denying reports that Biden’s plan to purchase 500 million facemasks was in any way related to his son Hunter being named chairman of the board of a large Ukrainian facemask conglomerate.