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Title: Raylan is Back
Post by: Ben on January 15, 2022, 09:13:49 AM
Looks like Raylan will be back in a limited series. An older and wiser(?) Raylan in Detroit. The Raylan character is apparently replacing another Leonard character that would have been in Detroit.

I'm glad to see Raylan will be back. I'm not sure how I feel about him in the Detroit setting. Kentucky and environs are obviously a good place for him. Even Miami works for him and his hat. I'm not sure how well the cowboy will play in Detroit.

https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/timothy-olyphant-justified.html
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: griz on January 15, 2022, 09:31:02 AM
Looking forward to it.  I only discovered the series last year but really enjoyed it.  A lot of colorful characters.  Detroit will probably create some more.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: RocketMan on January 15, 2022, 12:05:35 PM
Saw that article last night.  SWMBO and myself really liked Justified, so we're looking forward to this follow-on series.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 15, 2022, 12:40:23 PM
Quote
I'm not sure how well the cowboy will play in Detroit.

Did somebody in the studio catch a rerun of McCloud?

https://www.cozitv.com/shows/mccloud/
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: T.O.M. on January 15, 2022, 12:51:26 PM
Hope it's as good as the original series.  My worry is that so much of what was good in the series wasn't just Raylan, it was the whole ensemble and their interactions...Boyd, Ava, Dewy Crowe, the team of Marshalls.

Looking forward to seeing how things go.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: HankB on January 15, 2022, 02:08:42 PM
. . .  I'm not sure how well the cowboy will play in Detroit.  . . .
Well, from what I understand large parts of Detroit may as well be frontier wilderness these days . . .
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Ben on January 15, 2022, 02:25:11 PM
My worry is that so much of what was good in the series wasn't just Raylan, it was the whole ensemble and their interactions...Boyd, Ava, Dewy Crowe, the team of Marshalls.

My hope is that if it's the same production team, that they'll bring good characters to the new series as well.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Bogie on January 15, 2022, 08:45:34 PM
I grew up in Central Kentucky. Went to college at Eastern Kentucky University. I had a Hatfield living across the hall from me. I had a roomie from Eastern, Ky.  Yup, that's a "town."
 
Way the hell back in the hollers.
 
Guys would go home on the weekend to help out on the family business. And they'd come back on Sunday night with a mason jar of their grandfather's finest. Gunpowder proof. Put hair on your chest. Made for family, not for sale.
 
Some stuff from Justified didn't work for me. Because "you can't get there from here" goes a LONG way  describing driving from Harlan or Hazard to Lexington, Frankfort (capitol) or Louisville. That drive is gonna take a while.
 
But they had good bourbon. Blanton's is my overall favorite. Never had any of that pappy stuff - had never heard of it, to tell you the truth.
 
And Ale-8-One is a kickass soda from Winchester, KY.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: RocketMan on January 15, 2022, 08:49:26 PM
Unfortunately, Justified was originally filmed on location somewhere in...  California.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Bogie on January 15, 2022, 08:58:43 PM
Probably near Korea...
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Grandpa Shooter on January 15, 2022, 09:17:17 PM
A good friend of mine grew up in one of the coal town's in eastern Ky.  He told me Justified couldn't be filmed there because the locals would have shot up anyone looking like law enforcement just because.....
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Bogie on January 15, 2022, 09:20:34 PM
We sent NG personnel there after a spate of tornados, to document things photographically to make sure folks got that Washington money.
 
They made the mistake of driving "state cars." Which were basically state police cars without the light bars. A few times that got interesting.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: K Frame on January 16, 2022, 08:30:30 AM
 Margo Martindale as Mags Bennett... the single greatest female "bad guy" ever.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Ben on January 16, 2022, 09:44:42 AM
So while looking for video about the new show, I found this clip from the original series. I do not remember this in an episode (maybe I need to rewatch the whole dang thing) so maybe it was just a promo clip? Anyway, funny and typical Raylan.  :laugh:

https://youtu.be/3ekTLgp4JNA
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Devonai on January 16, 2022, 03:18:15 PM
Margo Martindale as Mags Bennett... the single greatest female "bad guy" ever.

Yup.  Give her all the Emmys.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: K Frame on January 16, 2022, 04:09:12 PM
So while looking for video about the new show, I found this clip from the original series. I do not remember this in an episode (maybe I need to rewatch the whole dang thing) so maybe it was just a promo clip? Anyway, funny and typical Raylan.  :laugh:

https://youtu.be/3ekTLgp4JNA

I don't remember that one, either. At all.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Big Hairy Bee on January 16, 2022, 06:10:23 PM
So while looking for video about the new show, I found this clip from the original series. I do not remember this in an episode (maybe I need to rewatch the whole dang thing) so maybe it was just a promo clip? Anyway, funny and typical Raylan.  :laugh:

https://youtu.be/3ekTLgp4JNA

It was just a promo.   But a great promo--much like this one!

https://youtu.be/wVT0B3pPsa8

Raylen later becomes a Marshall on Tatooine in the Mandalorian
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 16, 2022, 10:07:57 PM
Raylen later becomes a Marshall on Tatooine in the Mandalorian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3FFoCII3B4

Dialogue is not as snappy as Justified but still fun.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Bob F. on January 17, 2022, 08:13:48 PM
On FX? When?
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Bogie on December 27, 2022, 08:14:52 PM
And... Necromancy time...
 
Anyone see it yet? I understand that it is out on FX? Which is on Hulu? What's a cheap way to binge it over the next couple of days off?
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Bogie on December 28, 2022, 11:33:53 PM
so... Nobody's seen it yet?
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on December 28, 2022, 11:51:23 PM
I don't think it's been released yet.

https://www.outkick.com/justified-city-primeval-timothy-olyphant-production-update-fx/

As of two months ago in this article, there was no official release date.  Can't seem to find any official release date now.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Ben on December 29, 2022, 07:47:32 AM
Yeah, not yet released, no release dates other than "Summer 2023".
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: T.O.M. on December 29, 2022, 11:44:18 AM
I met a guy (friend of a friend kind of thing) who worked on a few seasons of Justified.  Fun fact, they used a ton of airsoft guns on filming, because so many shooting scenes were considered too close to be safe with blank rounds.  The airsoft with green gas are safe enough for close range shots.  Baldwin should have had this crew on set.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 28, 2023, 02:03:05 PM
Trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6KEgWSFfaE

Looks like same ol' Raylan in a new town.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Ben on July 18, 2023, 06:15:22 PM
Starts tonight. I've suspended both my Youtube TV and Hulu, but will reactivate Hulu in a month and then binge the whole thing. Here's the opening scene:

https://youtu.be/-JnpyNsWNqo
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Big Hairy Bee on July 19, 2023, 04:27:09 PM
First two episodes were excellent.  I didn't realize the kid is Olyphant's actual daughter.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: K Frame on July 20, 2023, 09:11:49 AM
Got my DVR set up to record the series. It pulled the first two episodes, I'll start watching them tonight, I think.

Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Ben on August 28, 2023, 09:23:06 PM
Well, I'm only one episode in, but I do not have high hopes. The first couple of minutes were Raylan being Raylan, but the rest of the episode was almost like Raylan being a background character in a "we hate whitey" bigot-fest. If they made the episode and switched black hate for the white hate, there would be calls to lock them up for hate crimes. Raylan is coming off as timid here.

Also, the lead bad guy is just too psycho over the top. In real life, a good guy with a gun would have just shot him and been done with it. There is just no "purpose" to him or the other bad guys, if that makes any sense. Not at all like Boyd Crowder or Mags Bennett, who at least seemed to have a purpose for being bad guys.

I'll stick it out for a few more episodes, but it's not looking great.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: cordex on August 28, 2023, 10:47:51 PM
I’m five episodes in.

It gets worse.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Big Hairy Bee on August 28, 2023, 11:04:06 PM
The problem is they put Raylan in a non-Raylan story.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: K Frame on August 29, 2023, 07:46:28 AM
Well, I'm only one episode in, but I do not have high hopes. The first couple of minutes were Raylan being Raylan, but the rest of the episode was almost like Raylan being a background character in a "we hate whitey" bigot-fest. If they made the episode and switched black hate for the white hate, there would be calls to lock them up for hate crimes. Raylan is coming off as timid here.

Also, the lead bad guy is just too psycho over the top. In real life, a good guy with a gun would have just shot him and been done with it. There is just no "purpose" to him or the other bad guys, if that makes any sense. Not at all like Boyd Crowder or Mags Bennett, who at least seemed to have a purpose for being bad guys.

I'll stick it out for a few more episodes, but it's not looking great.


Yeah, I've got to say that I largely agree with you. It's interesting, but it's just not grabbing my attention or interest in the same way that Justified did, especially season 2 of Justified.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: cordex on August 29, 2023, 08:21:34 AM
The problem is they put Raylan in a non-Raylan story.
They also didn't write him like Raylan.

I rewatched all the seasons of the first Justified before starting this one and ... eh.

I get that they're trying to show Raylan as older and with different priorities, but so far the character doesn't seem so much matured as lobotomized.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Ben on August 29, 2023, 08:38:55 AM
I get that they're trying to show Raylan as older and with different priorities, but so far the character doesn't seem so much matured as lobotomized.

Again, only one episode in, but this rings true. Something like the scene where he stops the cops from using the battering ram on the front door and just turns the knob instead is a mature and "experienced" Raylan. The other scenes (which seemed like most of them) are almost making Raylan a secondary character that they use to interact with and highlight the main character.

I was also thinking that the primary bad guy here, would, in Justified, be one of the bit part "gun thugs" (or perhaps red shirts) that would show up just so Raylan had somebody to shoot. An irritant quickly taken care of in Justified.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: dogmush on August 29, 2023, 08:45:41 AM
Yeah, We turned it off halfway through episode 3 or 4.  It just wasn't keeping our interest, nad our main complaint was the bad guys sucked compared to Justified v1. I agree with Ben, the little twerp guy in tighty whiteies would have been shot pretty quick in Harlan.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: K Frame on August 29, 2023, 10:03:32 AM
Just watched a bunch of highlights and recaps of Justified season 2.

Oh my God Margo Martindale was so freaking brilliant as Mas Bennett.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on August 29, 2023, 10:47:51 AM
They also didn't write him like Raylan.

I rewatched all the seasons of the first Justified before starting this one and ... eh.

I get that they're trying to show Raylan as older and with different priorities, but so far the character doesn't seem so much matured as lobotomized.

The villain isn't charismatic like Walton Goggins.

There haven't been any tense quick-draw shootouts.

Raylan allowed Sammy Tonin of the Detroit Mob to hit his rival, on an airport taxi way, right after Raylan got done talking to him.  Raylan would not mind the Armenian Mob taking out the main villain in this new show.

The daughter (Oliphant's daughter) is annoying AF.  She has that "I'm only 6 years old" voice despite being 15-ish.  And they had her parrot that white-hate garbage.  Shipping her off back to Florida was the best thing to happen to the show.  Especially since Raylan didn't gun down the villain in the hotel restaurant while he's sitting there next to his daughter, taunting/threatening him and her.  Haven't finished yet, about 2/3 through. 

Raylan was engaging because he had a familiar environment; his home town.  He'd take outsiders that want to do things the official way, and show them the Kentucky way.  His nemesis was someone he had respect for, because he "dug coal together."  Without that familiarity and without his swagger and attitude, this is just a CSI style show.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: cordex on August 29, 2023, 11:07:55 AM
Raylan allowed Sammy Tonin of the Detroit Mob to hit his rival, on an airport taxi way, right after Raylan got done talking to him.  Raylan would not mind the Armenian Mob taking out the main villain in this new show.
He was forced into the corner on with the Detroit mob stuff, it seriously impacted his relationship with Art because he wasn't able to lie about it, and the Armenian mob is apparently willing to go after innocents to get to the bad guy.  I can see him making a more conservative play later in life.

I'm not through the season ... and I'm not on track to finish it any time soon ... but exploring Raylan's existing connections to Detroit could have been interesting, but like Ben said, they seem to be really interested in just using Raylan to drag an existing fanbase into a non-Raylan story.
The daughter (Oliphant's daughter) is annoying AF.  She has that "I'm only 6 years old" voice despite being 15-ish.  And they had her parrot that white-hate garbage.  Shipping her off back to Florida was the best thing to happen to the show.
For sure.

Raylan's love interest was a bit of a surprise.  Definitely not his normal type.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: HankB on August 30, 2023, 09:45:08 AM
Watched the final episode for "this season" . . . the way it ended it looks like there might be another season in the works with the return of an old friend.

(I still have a hard time regarding a run of less than 10 episodes of any program as a "season.") 

My final take: There were too many episodes that included parts where I said "They wouldn't do things that way." Taken as a whole, it suffers by comparison to the original series.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Ben on August 30, 2023, 09:56:05 AM
Watched the final episode for "this season" . . . the way it ended it looks like there might be another season in the works with the return of an old friend.

What? Another cracker? That's too many crackers!
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 01, 2023, 02:00:56 PM
The most interesting part of the series was the last 15 minutes of the last episode.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: cordex on September 01, 2023, 02:04:37 PM
The most interesting part of the series was the last 15 minutes of the last episode.
Was that 15 minutes worth watching the rest of it?
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Ben on September 01, 2023, 02:43:56 PM
So I just finished all episodes. It wasn't as bad as the first episode led me to believe, but it just wasn't up to par, and I learned why you guys were calling him tighty whitey. Ugh.

I was kinda wondering if the writers were Walking Dead fans, because they gave the dipshit bad guy the "Negan shield", where there are a hundred opportunities to end the bad guy, but nobody takes them.

I will say that contrary to a couple of posts here, and 99% of the posts on IMDB, the daughter stuff didn't bother me that much. They could have left her out, but then Raylan had family problems in Justified as well.

On that last 15 minutes, it would almost be better if that was just a "what if?" and there was no second season focusing on that. I have to say that Justified had one of the better ending episodes to a series, and I'd hate to see these writers screw that up.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Devonai on September 02, 2023, 07:23:13 PM
I enjoyed it, for what it was. Timothy Olyphant was definitely sleepwalking through the series and had none of the Raylan charm or pluck we're used to. For that, it was disappointing. You could have replaced him with a totally generic marshal and have had the same show.

It is encouraging to see the way the series ended. Let's go back to another season of Raylan being himself.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Ben on September 02, 2023, 07:32:21 PM
You could have replaced him with a totally generic marshal and have had the same show.

I guess he replaced the main character in the written story. I wonder what that character was like and if they tried to write some of that into Raylan for the story?
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 02, 2023, 09:39:54 PM
Was that 15 minutes worth watching the rest of it?

Depends.  City Primeval wasn't bad (actually fairly good compared to most television dramas).  It just didn't hold up to the original series.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Devonai on September 03, 2023, 12:43:45 PM
I guess he replaced the main character in the written story. I wonder what that character was like and if they tried to write some of that into Raylan for the story?

I checked Wikipedia, and the novel's main character was Detective Raymond Cruz, a guest character in this season and an established Elmore Leonard character. I'm not familiar with the novel, but it's not much of a stretch to see how trying to pigeon-hole Givens into Cruz's role could have been the problem.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: cordex on September 08, 2023, 03:26:13 PM
Finally made myself finish it.  Whatever.

Depends.  City Primeval wasn't bad (actually fairly good compared to most television dramas).  It just didn't hold up to the original series.
If you say so.  I don't watch much TV these days but if you're right then it must be a sea of trash.

Absent the connection to the original series I doubt I would have bothered to watch it (which was, of course, the point) but it's hard for me to separate the story from the character, and the character was entirely wasted on this story.  If the story wasn't written for Raylan they shouldn't have stuck him in it.  Leave Raylan to his own stories.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Ben on September 08, 2023, 05:12:23 PM
I don't watch much TV these days but if you're right then it must be a sea of trash.

It is. I have been cancelling or suspending almost all my streaming services because each of them has like 50,000 shows and movies, releasing a dozen new series or movies a week, and I found myself literally spending over 30 minutes scrolling for something to watch before just turning the TV off or rewatching an episode of Justified, Arrested Development, or Firefly for like the 100th time. It's a big crapfest of GenZ DEI garbage.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: Cliffh on September 08, 2023, 06:41:51 PM
It is. I have been cancelling or suspending almost all my streaming services because each of them has like 50,000 shows and movies, releasing a dozen new series or movies a week, and I found myself literally spending over 30 minutes scrolling for something to watch before just turning the TV off or rewatching an episode of Justified, Arrested Development, or Firefly for like the 100th time. It's a big crapfest of GenZ DEI garbage.

We just switched over to streaming services, and that's what we're finding.  Spend too much time searching for something to watch, then end up watching reruns.
Title: Re: Raylan is Back
Post by: K Frame on September 09, 2023, 07:36:28 AM
The only streaming services I have are Hulu and Amazon Prime, and I really only watch Hulu since Amazon reconfigured a couple of years ago to make just about everything interesting an ADDITIONAL subscription fee.

Want to watch Dr. Who? Subscribe to Britbox!

Want to watch the weather? Subscribe to Weatherbox!

Want to watch a box? Subscribe to Boxbox!

Oh, and I also have Max, but I get that through my regular HBO subscription as well as through my AT&T phone plan.


I just discovered today that Penn State's home football game this afternoon is ONLY going to be telecast on Peacock streaming.

*expletive deleted*ck you with a baseball bat studded with nails, NCAA.