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Title: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2022, 08:30:05 AM
A few E1 and E2 clips of Picard season 2 came up in my YT feed and apparently Q is back and messing with Picard.

What I've got from it so far.
The Borg show up from an alternate timeline asking for Picard's help
Q shows up and does what Q does and sticks Picard and crew including 7 into this timeline.
Earth in this timeline has had it's climate wrecked.
The Picard in this Timeline keeps slaves
Humankind is rampaging across the galaxy enslaving and eradicating everyone. I think mostly the latter.
The problem is traced to something that happened in 2024.

I hope I'm just being paranoid but see where I'm going with this?


Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: HankB on March 13, 2022, 09:28:44 AM
You're probably not being paranoid at all, modern wokeness has been slowly creeping into the Star Trek franchise for a long time - IMHO, to the detriment of the writing and storyline.

Or else they figure shooting a good part of the film in 2024 - the present - is simply cheaper than making sets and CGI showing the 24th (23rd? 25th?) century.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: Ben on March 13, 2022, 09:56:41 AM
You're probably not being paranoid at all, modern wokeness has been slowly creeping into the Star Trek franchise for a long time - IMHO, to the detriment of the writing

I watched the first episode of Discovery when it first came out, and I might have watched more, but it immediately went behind a Paramount paywall, and it wasn't good enough for me to pay an, at the time, fledgling new pay service.

I just the other day, saw some comment from one of the gay actors who was talking about how great it was that Discovery was focusing on diversity, trans, and all the other dumbass stuff that destroys modern programming. I'm glad I didn't invest any more time than episode #1 in it.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2022, 10:04:36 AM

Or else they figure shooting a good part of the film in 2024 - the present - is simply cheaper than making sets and CGI showing the 24th (23rd? 25th?) century.

Don't forget 2024 is election time.
I fear it's going to be along the lines of Trump or a Trump like figure is elected and sends earth down a dark Nazi like path.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2022, 11:37:35 AM
Let me reword that a little

I fear it's going to be along the lines of Trump or a Trump like figure stealing/overthrowing the election and sending earth down a dark Nazi like path.
Their election opponent will more than likely be a Harris like black female.

Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: Pb on March 13, 2022, 12:58:31 PM
Let me reword that a little

I fear it's going to be along the lines of Trump or a Trump like figure stealing/overthrowing the election and sending earth down a dark Nazi like path.
Their election opponent will more than likely be a Harris like black female.

OK, I see what you are thinking!  I didn't make the connection with the date.

Star Trek has done the evil mirror universes before.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2022, 01:04:29 PM
OK, I see what you are thinking!  I didn't make the connection with the date.

Star Trek has done the evil mirror universes before.

I think it's the alternate timeline routine again rather than mirror universes in this case.
I'm very familiar with ST pre Kelvin Timeline or in other words before instead of creating his own ST story J.J. Abrams took a big dump on all pre existing ST . At that point I stopped watching because it ceased being ST to me.

I just hope I'm wrong this is where they're going.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2022, 01:25:08 PM
Climate change wrecking the planet + An obviously fascist government + The enslavement and extermination of all other races
And something happens in 2024 that sends us down that road. Hmmmmm

I hope I'm just being paranoid
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2022, 01:36:40 PM
Thank goodness they didn't get all woke and take a dump on Star Wars too.....oh wait, *expletive deleted*ing J.J. again! Who keeps handing this guy established beloved franchises to *expletive deleted*ck up??????????
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: MechAg94 on March 13, 2022, 10:40:37 PM
I think it's the alternate timeline routine again rather than mirror universes in this case.
I'm very familiar with ST pre Kelvin Timeline or in other words before instead of creating his own ST story J.J. Abrams took a big dump on all pre existing ST . At that point I stopped watching because it ceased being ST to me.

I just hope I'm wrong this is where they're going.
I sort of liked the first one, but it was mainly the differences in the way they showed the ships phasers and torpedoes and such.  Karl Urban playing McCoy was the main bright spot with the characters.  In hindsight, it sort of turned Star Trek into another Transformers movie in space.  I really get tired of the generic action movies these days where everyone is constantly running and talking and yelling.  The Khan redo butchered the entire universe with the way they showed beaming across lightyears among other things.  I never bothered to watch the last one.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: MechAg94 on March 13, 2022, 10:45:33 PM
Nerdrotic is reviewing Picard season 2.  He seems to think it is better than season 1.  He gives a rough synopsis if you want to know that without watching the show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCZxyb_kH90

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBrYy-ltS1k

Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: 230RN on March 15, 2022, 05:21:45 AM
You're probably not being paranoid at all, modern wokeness has been slowly creeping into the Star Trek franchise for a long time - IMHO, to the detriment of the writing and storyline.

Been going on for a long time.  Many of the great earlier shows like the Rifleman, M*A*S*H, Have Gun, etc got ruined for me as they devolved more into 1960s liberalism. Global Warming wasn't an issue yet, though fossil fuel pollution was just getting heard about.

So here we are today, with Trekkie stuff being vehicles for liberal propaganda.

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Or else they figure shooting a good part of the film in 2024 - the present - is simply cheaper than making sets and CGI showing the 24th (23rd? 25th?) century.

In other words, within the Thirty Mile Zone ("TMZ").

https://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=66295.msg1346413#msg1346413

ETA Oh, and I missed the 2024 connection, too.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: HankB on March 15, 2022, 11:22:45 AM
Been going on for a long time.  Many of the great earlier shows like the Rifleman, M*A*S*H, Have Gun, etc got ruined for me as they devolved more into 1960s liberalism. Global Warming wasn't an issue yet, though fossil fuel pollution was just getting heard about . . .
In addition to the shows you mentioned, creeping liberalism also helped kill Bonanza. Even as a youngster, I remember asking my father "Dad - what happened to their guns?"  (As I recall, Little Joe in particular - played by Michael Landon - was pretty handy with a sixgun.) And it got to the point where instead of running "squatters" off their land, they'd invite 'em home for dinner.  :facepalm:

And it got to be pretty easy to tell when Alan Alda directed a M*A*S*H episode - because it sucked. He was - and still is - a dyed in the wool leftist.

A good part of the problem is that nearly all leftist-messaging shows are so fixed on the messaging that they're poorly written. Just off the top of my head, the only well written left leaning show that comes to mind was The West Wing.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: Ron on March 15, 2022, 01:28:46 PM
Star Trek has always been on the vanguard of leftism. They've been pushing the culture to the left since the beginning. A more woke Star Trek shouldn't be a surprise but an expectation. 
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: MechAg94 on March 15, 2022, 04:22:13 PM
Star Trek has always been on the vanguard of leftism. They've been pushing the culture to the left since the beginning. A more woke Star Trek shouldn't be a surprise but an expectation.
I always thought the original series was much less so, but it was pushing boundaries for the time it was made. 

I feel like the original series did more of the "outthinking your opponent to win" type action and the Next Generation did more diplomacy and emoting.  The empath woman got to be a bit irritating to me.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: HankB on March 15, 2022, 06:25:49 PM
I always thought the original series was much less so, but it was pushing boundaries for the time it was made. 

I feel like the original series did more of the "outthinking your opponent to win" type action and the Next Generation did more diplomacy and emoting.  The empath woman got to be a bit irritating to me.
I kind of liked ST:DS9 because normal human behavior and common sense sometimes managed to creep in between the liberal nonsense - almost as if they had a regular guy on the writing staff who'd sneak something in when the libs were popping pills or smoking their dope.  ;)
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 15, 2022, 06:32:09 PM
Star Trek has always been on the vanguard of leftism. They've been pushing the culture to the left since the beginning. A more woke Star Trek shouldn't be a surprise but an expectation.

Nah.  TOS and TNG were "humanist."  They'd use carefully crafted allegory set in their fictional realm in order to hold a mirror up to the audience.

New Trek throws a hammer through the 4th wall and beats you over the head through the TV screen.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: Ben on March 15, 2022, 06:37:57 PM
Nah.  TOS and TNG were "humanist."  They'd use carefully crafted allegory set in their fictional realm in order to hold a mirror up to the audience.

I would mostly agree, though TNG was a good bit more preachy than TOS, and for at least the first season, yeah, they used a hammer. Picard was pretty insufferable for the first half of that season.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: Ron on March 15, 2022, 06:49:45 PM
Star Trek is very humanist.

Humanism by making man the measure of man is leftist or eventually devolves into leftism.

It is progressive practically by definition.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: 230RN on March 15, 2022, 09:30:28 PM
Hank B made me laugh:

" - almost as if they had a regular guy on the writing staff who'd sneak something in when the libs were popping pills or smoking their dope.  ;)
"

More like they're salting the plot with "token conservatism"  to claim they're even-handed politically.  They will pull stuff like that, and I suspect with the fear of a wipeout in 2024, you will see more of that TRW ("Token Right Wing") stuff in various propagandized media outlets to show they're fair and balanced.

On the other hand, maybe there's a regular guy on the writing staff who'd sneak something in when the libs were popping pills or smoking their dope.

Grinning Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: kgbsquirrel on March 15, 2022, 11:07:35 PM
Star Trek has always been on the vanguard of leftism. They've been pushing the culture to the left since the beginning. A more woke Star Trek shouldn't be a surprise but an expectation.

You said it far better than I could.  Star Trek was always socio-political commentary and propaganda served up in a science fantasy (not science fiction) setting.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: Pb on March 16, 2022, 10:48:34 AM
Yes, Ron is right.  I only watched "The Next Generation" and they were pretty leftist.  Star Trek sells itself with a humanist, optimistic view of the future, but I don't think that is very accurate.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: JTHunter on March 16, 2022, 03:13:23 PM
I would mostly agree, though TNG was a good bit more preachy than TOS, and for at least the first season, yeah, they used a hammer. Picard was pretty insufferable for the first half of that season.

And don't forget that for the first couple of seasons NG, the "Great Bird of the Galaxy" (Gene Roddenberry) was still in charge.
I never really warmed up to DS9 or Voyager as they were either locked into the location or there was little interaction with the "traditional villeins" or Starfleet.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: kgbsquirrel on March 16, 2022, 04:17:14 PM
And don't forget that for the first couple of seasons NG, the "Great Bird of the Galaxy" (Gene Roddenberry) was still in charge.
I never really warmed up to DS9 or Voyager as they were either locked into the location or there was little interaction with the "traditional villeins" or Starfleet.


The traditional villains were no longer relevant to the current climate.

TOS:
Federation - United Nations (even copied their flag)
Klingons - USSR
Romulans - PRC
Vulcans - post-WW2 Japanese

TNG:
Klingons - post-Soviet Russia (destruction of Kronos = the collapse)
Prime Directive - Nuclear non-proliferation

DS9:
Ferengi - Capitalism (treated as anathema to the United Federation of Communism)
Dominion - Islam
Bajorans - Jews
Cardassians - Arabs

And above all, a cashless, communal society.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: HankB on March 16, 2022, 04:35:11 PM
. . . And above all, a cashless, communal society.
Cashless? You watched these shows and never heard of gold-pressed latinum?    :rofl:
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: kgbsquirrel on March 16, 2022, 04:44:37 PM
Cashless? You watched these shows and never heard of gold-pressed latinum?    :rofl:

And how much of that did the Federation citizens use in their day to day lives?  Evidently you are the one who didn't pay attention.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: WLJ on March 16, 2022, 08:11:13 PM
And don't forget that for the first couple of seasons NG, the "Great Bird of the Galaxy" (Gene Roddenberry) was still in charge.
I never really warmed up to DS9 or Voyager as they were either locked into the location or there was little interaction with the "traditional villeins" or Starfleet.


Metric crap ton of Klingons and Romulans in DS9.
And DS9 gave us Garek,  the greatest side character ever in ST.

Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: HankB on March 16, 2022, 08:21:57 PM
And how much of that did the Federation citizens use in their day to day lives?  Evidently you are the one who didn't pay attention.
References to it - and its purchasing power - popped up on the TV show with some regularity.  See https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Latinum
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: kgbsquirrel on March 16, 2022, 08:28:26 PM
References to it - and its purchasing power - popped up on the TV show with some regularity.  See https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Latinum

United Federation: cashless utopia
Everyone Else: latinum based economy chaos

There's a message there and they rubbed it in with TNG.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: MillCreek on March 16, 2022, 09:58:02 PM
Metric crap ton of Klingons and Romulans in DS9.
And DS9 gave us Garek,  the greatest side character ever in ST.

You have my vote, sir.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: WLJ on March 16, 2022, 10:04:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FggqbNUZD8U
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: kgbsquirrel on March 16, 2022, 10:06:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FggqbNUZD8U

Yup.  Despite all the political BS the show was saddled with, that character was awesome. 
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: HankB on March 17, 2022, 10:59:15 AM
I remember when Garek set up a double (or was it triple?) deception in order to get the Romulans to join the Federation and Klingon Empire's side during the Dominion War.

Capt. Sisko figured things out and had an introspective soliloquy explaining the trickery . . . and then he decided to keep his mouth shut about it. (Picard would have notified the Romulans that they'd been tricked - since it was the leftist thing to do - and had them join the other side.)
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: WLJ on March 17, 2022, 11:04:11 AM
I remember when Garek set up a double (or was it triple?) deception in order to get the Romulans to join the Federation and Klingon Empire's side during the Dominion War.

Capt. Sisko figured things out and had an introspective soliloquy explaining the trickery . . . and then he decided to keep his mouth shut about it. (Picard would have notified the Romulans that they'd been tricked - since it was the leftist thing to do - and had them join the other side.)

In The Pale Moonlight.
Many consider it the best ST episode ever made
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 17, 2022, 11:06:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNCw_avF_Qg&list=PLxidGOcLnJh21CFCPcZ-iKDcAuAcuXeg8&index=7
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: MechAg94 on March 17, 2022, 12:27:02 PM
United Federation: cashless utopia
Everyone Else: latinum based economy chaos

There's a message there and they rubbed it in with TNG.
I wasn't sure if Star Trek ever really addressed how the replicators affected things.  You saw everyone just get whatever they want from the replicator, but they never really addressed what benefits there were for people who chose to work and join Starfleet and such. 

I recall O'Brien mentioned that his Mother didn't trust replicated food, but didn't mention how they acquired it or if they had to pay for it (or if ownership of land was at a premium or not). 

Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: MillCreek on March 17, 2022, 01:06:19 PM
In The Pale Moonlight.
Many consider it the best ST episode ever made

For a Garak-specific episode, The Wire has my vote.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: Ben on March 17, 2022, 01:25:25 PM
I recall O'Brien mentioned that his Mother didn't trust replicated food, but didn't mention how they acquired it or if they had to pay for it (or if ownership of land was at a premium or not).

It seems like it would be overly difficult, at least for meat. In the super duper preachy first season of TNG, I recall there was an episode where the crew made remarks about someone eating "real meat" as if they were a degenerate mutant cannibal.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: WLJ on March 17, 2022, 01:35:09 PM
It seems like it would be overly difficult, at least for meat. In the super duper preachy first season of TNG, I recall there was an episode where the crew made remarks about someone eating "real meat" as if they were a degenerate mutant cannibal.

Well from view point of a society where 99% of the population has probably never seen actual meat I could see that the idea of butchering an animal could be consider repulsive when you can just walk up to a machine and say "T-bone medium rare" and poof there it is.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: Ben on March 17, 2022, 03:12:45 PM
Stacey Abrams finally got elected. Tells me all I need to know about Discovery without watching it.



https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/03/17/she-got-elected-must-be-fiction-stacey-abrams-cameo-as-president-of-united-earth-on-star-trek-discovery-accidentally-hilarious/
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: WLJ on March 17, 2022, 03:21:04 PM
Just as real as her governorship of Georgia.

Sad to say but I would bet almost no one can name the actual Gov of Georgia. Even sadder is that many would no doubt say Adams
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: WLJ on March 17, 2022, 03:21:35 PM
Related
Sea Quest had the USS H.R. Clinton
When the ship was mentioned was the first and last 5 minutes of the show I watched.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: JTHunter on March 21, 2022, 10:21:28 PM
Andrew Robinson was perfect as Garak.  After all, he was the psychotic killer in the first Dirty Harry movie.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: Ron on March 22, 2022, 08:03:38 PM
Picard Suspended From Twitter For Saying He Sees Only Four Lights

Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: Ben on March 29, 2022, 09:49:21 AM
I was maybe going to get Paramount + for a month to watch Picard and a couple of other things just to have something to watch. I was watching youtube snippets of season 2 and thought there would be enough good content to cancel out the woke crap, but I think I'm wrong:

https://youtu.be/4xbPYIiUH0c

As some of the comments said, Star Fleet wears uniforms and the Federation enforces borders and requires IDs, but it's okay when they do it.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: Ben on March 31, 2022, 02:42:08 PM
Sounds like I'll be skipping Star Trek - Strange New Worlds as well.

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Christina Chong is an international television and film actress who stars in the brand-new CBS series "Star Trek: Strange New Worlds" (May 2022) alongside Anson Mount and Rebecca Romijn. As series regular La'an Noonien-Singh,' she channels her inner fighter, to win over adversity no matter what. The series will expand the iconic franchise, adding six new crew members on the USS Enterprise, alongside its familiar trio of lead characters. For Christina, the focus on equality and diversity in the Star Trek franchise very much leads back to her own personal journey in Hollywood.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 31, 2022, 10:06:01 PM
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La'an Noonien-Singh

Related to Khan?


(ETA: apparently so.    https://screenrant.com/strange-new-worlds-khan-laan-noonien-singh-canon/)
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: Boomhauer on April 01, 2022, 06:18:02 AM
Never forget that Star Trek is the reason we all have to suffer from George Takei and Will Wheaton running their *expletive deleted*ing mouths.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: Ben on April 16, 2022, 11:33:10 AM
Oh, apparently Seven of Nine is now a carpet muncher.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: dogmush on April 16, 2022, 08:24:32 PM
On the show, or Jeri Ryan?
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: Ben on April 16, 2022, 09:12:42 PM
On the show, or Jeri Ryan?

On the show.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: WLJ on April 21, 2022, 12:01:29 PM
Just caught a clip on YT
Apparently the Borg do what the Borg do because





The Borg Queen is lonely  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: WLJ on May 11, 2022, 08:35:21 PM
The Borg are not only lonely but are the good Borg now and want to join the Federation.

And just saw this
Gee wonder what they're trying to imply at 0:22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngLciMERwZk
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: MechAg94 on May 12, 2022, 09:03:29 AM
The Borg are not only lonely but are the good Borg now and want to join the Federation.

And just saw this
Gee wonder what they're trying to imply at 0:22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngLciMERwZk
Technically, they wanted the Federation to join their organization in the old series. 
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: MechAg94 on May 12, 2022, 09:30:28 AM
I was reflecting that we are further away from the The Next Generation series today than we were from the Original Series when the Next Generation came out.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: Ben on May 12, 2022, 09:33:43 AM
I was reflecting that we are further away from the The Next Generation series today than we were from the Original Series when the Next Generation came out.

It's like another universe. I haven't watched these new "start trek" shows, but I saw a pretty funny youtube video the other day showing all the discontinuity. As an example, the replicators that didn't exist in TOS are suddenly available in Discovery and I guess Strange New Worlds as well. At least Enterprise did stuff like have twitchy transporters, since it was a new technology.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: HankB on May 12, 2022, 11:03:06 AM
With all these changes and deviations from one ST series to the next, it would seem like the future isn't what it used to be.

Or maybe the writers and/or producers really don't really care about Star Trek - to them, it's just the gig before their next one.

Meh.

Not a good time to be a passionate Trekkie.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: Angel Eyes on May 12, 2022, 11:30:50 AM
Or maybe the writers and/or producers really don't really care about Star Trek - to them, it's just the gig before their next one.

This, plus the drive to push "The Message" in nearly every movie and TV series is ruining them as entertainment.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: WLJ on May 12, 2022, 11:33:20 AM
Not a good time to be a passionate Trekkie.

Just try to ignore anything made after Enterprise
But I will admit like watching a train wreck it's hard not to look once in awhile
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: MillCreek on May 12, 2022, 12:11:42 PM
I do think 'Lower Decks' is generally worth a watch.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: WLJ on May 12, 2022, 12:15:58 PM
I do think 'Lower Decks' is generally worth a watch.

Almost forgot about that
I've caught some clips of that on YT and the impression I've got is while woke to a certain extend it does respect old Trek for the most part and the rapid fire references they include to Trek lore is quite interesting.  There are YT videos where they try to spot them.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: MillCreek on May 12, 2022, 12:54:41 PM
I have only seen the first episode so far, but 'Strange New Worlds' looks promising.
Title: Re: Star Tred Picard, I hope they're not going where I think they're going with this
Post by: WLJ on May 12, 2022, 06:52:11 PM
Discovery doesn't even try to be intelligent

The Difference between TNG and Star Trek Discovery / Short Trek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnlxugk3Qb0