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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: WLJ on April 14, 2022, 05:51:40 PM
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I just came across this so bear with me and well, *expletive deleted*it
USS The Sullivans partially sinking at Buffalo and Erie County Naval and Military Park
https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/uss-the-sullivans-appears-to-be-sinking-at-buffalo-and-erie-county-naval-and-military-park
USS The Sullivans taking on water rapidly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fjyk2vosUs
USS The Sullivans navy ship sinking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhIWGNuDcUI
(https://ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/1d88f17/2147483647/strip/true/crop/2048x1152+0+192/resize/1280x720!/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fewscripps-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F1d%2F46%2F5984c76649639b6d2350b3dbf36b%2Fsullivans-2.JPG)
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Someone forgot to put the bilge drain plug in.
Brad
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Park Naval park leadership reports a major breach in the hull has caused the ship to take on water.
Emergency repair crews from Bidco Marine Group, including an underwater diving team, are at the scene working to determine what caused the breach. Another crew is pumping water on the deck.
The naval park says the breach is aft of midship on the starboard side, causing the ship to tilt back and to the right.
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How do you get a major hull breach on a ship parked at the dock?
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Langoliers
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How do you get a major hull breach on a ship parked at the dock?
Corrosion is a bitch.
Expect to see a lot more of this in museum ships. Few have the resources for drydocking and maintenance.
The one in my state (Patriot’s Point) is going to scrap their submarine (Clagamore) and the carrier (Yorktown) is in poor shape hull wise.
The channel that I cannot recommend enough, Battleship New Jersey talks a lot about operating museum ships and the challenge of doing so.
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I was just about to post about this. It's a sad fate for a famous ship. Even sadder is that the park has collected over $1 million to restore the hull of The Sullivans, but they apparently didn't start the project soon enough.
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They are preparing the Battleship Texas to move to a dry dock in Galveston this year for a $35 Million hull repair project.
I think the ship's internal structure was getting bad. There was/is concern the ship would sink trying to get it to a dry dock.
https://battleshiptexas.org/battleship-updates/
There has been talk about the ship moving to a permanent dry dock after the repair so it won't be in the water at all. The location might change.
Either way, I am glad the money was raised as it might have sunk into the mud in its current location soon.
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I didn't realize corrosion was such a huge problem. Makes sense though. We used to have the "ghost fleet" in the James River, but I guess it was a losing battle with ships that were 40-50 years old. Makes me wonder about the USS Wisconsin parked in Norfolk. A very impressive thing.
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I'm sure not a video Drach wanted to be in while on his US trip
What Happened To USS The Sullivans (DD-537) with Drachinifel and Ryan Szimanski
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZvY2s5rRQI
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One of the articles said the epoxy they wanted to use to repair the hull wouldn't set until the water temperature got warmer.
Hmmm . . . fixiing it with epoxy? Should have used FlexSeal, they make entire small boats out of that according to the TV commercials!
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I didn't realize corrosion was such a huge problem. Makes sense though. We used to have the "ghost fleet" in the James River, but I guess it was a losing battle with ships that were 40-50 years old. Makes me wonder about the USS Wisconsin parked in Norfolk. A very impressive thing.
Considering that the USS Olympia, a Spanish American War vintage armored cruiser, has been in the water continuously since 1945 with rather limited maintenance it's amazing that she's still afloat.
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anyone safe the depth charge rack? [popcorn]
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One of the articles said the epoxy they wanted to use to repair the hull wouldn't set until the water temperature got warmer.
Hmmm . . . fixiing it with epoxy? Should have used FlexSeal, they make entire small boats out of that according to the TV commercials!
Funny, but sad.
I guess wooden ships don't corrode, but have other maintenance problems.
Launched 1797:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution
And her guns still work.
Shows a little big-gun wrestling:
https://youtu.be/OC5NfQW7h_k (3:10)
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Funny, but sad.
I guess wooden ships don't corrode, but have other maintenance problems.
Launched 1797:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution
And her guns still work.
Shows a little big-gun wrestling:
https://youtu.be/OC5NfQW7h_k (3:10)
Approx 85-90% of the original wood has been replaced on the USS Constitution over the years.
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And the USS Constitution is still a U.S. Navy commissioned ship, so the gummint pays to maintain her.
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And the USS Constitution is still a U.S. Navy commissioned ship, so the gummint pays to maintain her.
Its combat systems probably are more resistant to EMP than those on any of our other warships.
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I'm sure not a video Drach wanted to be in while on his US trip
What Happened To USS The Sullivans (DD-537) with Drachinifel and Ryan Szimanski
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZvY2s5rRQI
I saw a notification on that earlier. Thanks for posting.
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Its combat systems probably are more resistant to EMP than those on any of our other warships.
Yes, but the CIWS is a bit slow to fire.
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Looking better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVm6NmPN69k
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Hopefully, they can get it to the point of a full on dry dock repair.
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How do you get a major hull breach on a ship parked at the dock?
From the latest update, it appears they didn't have a major hull breach, they had 34 minor hull breaches. Which means there are probably hundreds more just waiting to happen.
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From the latest update, it appears they didn't have a major hull breach, they had 34 minor hull breaches. Which means there are probably hundreds more just waiting to happen.
They said wooden plugs were used . . . so they're in essence driving in corks. Hope they have something more permanent in mind.
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They said wooden plugs were used . . . so they're in essence driving in corks. Hope they have something more permanent in mind.
Wood plugs, oakum, and shoring are immediate damage control (first aid and bandages) for the ship. After that comes the welding.
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I often view the weather on my phone. Last week - or so - it was claimed that Climate Change (gasp!) was responsible for the ship taking on water.
Apparently, (a word I’ve since forgotten, but meaning strong straight wind for an extended period) can push lake water as though a tide does, raising the water level downwind. That’s what is sinking the Sullivan.
JB
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Straight line winds?
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I often view the weather on my phone. Last week - or so - it was claimed that Climate Change (gasp!) was responsible for the ship taking on water.
Apparently, (a word I’ve since forgotten, but meaning strong straight wind for an extended period) can push lake water as though a tide does, raising the water level downwind. That’s what is sinking the Sullivan.
JB
I guess thinking rust had anything to do with it makes me a science denier
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I was thinking egregious lack of maintenance due to gross incompetence and negligence.
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I often view the weather on my phone. Last week - or so - it was claimed that Climate Change (gasp!) was responsible for the ship taking on water.
Apparently, (a word I’ve since forgotten, but meaning strong straight wind for an extended period) can push lake water as though a tide does, raising the water level downwind. That’s what is sinking the Sullivan.
But ... but ... but ... the USS The Sullivans is a ship. It's supposed to float. The water level shouldn't matter (unless, of course, there are 34 holes in the hull).
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I was thinking egregious lack of maintenance due to gross incompetence and negligence no money.
The facts of the matter.
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Efforts to preserve the artifacts on board the ship
Despite 'considerable' damage in USS The Sullivans, Buffalo Naval Park hopes to preserve artifacts
https://buffalonews.com/news/local/despite-considerable-damage-in-uss-the-sullivans-buffalo-naval-park-hopes-to-preserve-artifacts/article_e8dd09a4-d068-11ec-8d46-eb7ff054f77f.html
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But ... but ... but ... the USS The Sullivans is a ship. It's supposed to float. The water level shouldn't matter (unless, of course, there are 34 holes in the hull).
Not all museum ships are floating. The Yorktown (CV-10) is sunken into the mud riverbed and has significant holes at the wind/waterline.
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Not all museum ships are floating. The Yorktown (CV-10) is sunken into the mud riverbed and has significant holes at the wind/waterline.
I think I remember that the battleship Texas is similarly landlocked.
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I think I remember that the battleship Texas is similarly landlocked.
In Texas' case it is welded to pilings.
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In Texas' case it is welded to pilings.
I must have it confused with another old warship. I have a fuzzy recollection of reading about a ship that had a "dockage" dredged, the ship was moved in, and then the lagoon was filled around the ship. Just read an article about the Texas, and there is a plan in progress to restore the hull and then find a new location for her.
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In any case, these ships really need to go into permanent graving docks where they are out of the water while also having the sides of the hull held in place by horizontal supports. They can't stay in the corroding environment forever. No matter what you do it will eventually dissolve the ship's hull.
Probably the cheapest way to do this is to coffer dam the vessels in situ, stabilize the hull with temporary shoring and then build the graving dock around them. Some of these ships are in such a bad way that this is really the only option as they are unmovable, as in they would break up under the stresses of being moved.
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The USS Batfish (SS 310) at Muskogee, OK is land locked. A couple of years ago we had historic flooding 8n the area and the Batfish was refloated in the flood waters. It damn near took off down the river. It suffered considerable damage from water incursion. Last I heard they plan to move it a few miles down the river to a better/safer location.
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Re the USS Constitution:
Its combat systems probably are more resistant to EMP than those on any of our other warships.
And even IBPs. (Iron Ball Pulses.) :)
Interesting to find out that since she's still Commissioned, she's maintained in terms of seaworthiness. I knew she was still Commissioned, I just didn't realize that the maintenance went along with it. She probably brings in a pretty penny in admission fees, too.
Back to Topic:
Kind of a tragic story about the sinking of the Sullivan brothers' ship the USS Juneau. They joined the Navy the January following the Pearl Harbor sneaky attack with the provision that they served together:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_brothers#History
Sad story for all the ship's survivors. The ten remaining in the water were rescued by --naturally -- a PBY*, and thus there were ten more short prayers going "Thank G-d for the PBY."
Terry, 230RN
* Consolidated Catalina Seaplane
https://youtu.be/xTWp-iNyw0U (0:49)
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In Texas' case it is welded to pilings.
The story I heard was the Texas has had flooding issues for a while and pumps were in place to keep the water under control. The corrosion isn't just to he hull, but the support structure inside. If they tried to dry dock the ship, it would collapse. I believe that has been the efforts over the last year or more is to shore things up so the ship could survive the trip to the dry dock. Last update the ship was almost ready, but the dry dock in Galveston was still getting set up and ready. That was from February and it was supposed to be in dry dock by now. Delays I guess.
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Drach live
Impromptu Live From USS The Sullivans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtZ8slvEwNI
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I thought he was already back from his US trip. What was the original live date?
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I thought he was already back from his US trip. What was the original live date?
He's currently on his Canada trip and made a short trip across the border to see the USS TS.
He was saying in a video or two that was his plan while in Canada.
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I had forgotten about his Canada trip. I haven't listened to the last dry dock so I am behind. Thanks. =)
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58 holes plugged