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Title: 2000 Mules
Post by: Bogie on May 09, 2022, 01:30:43 PM
What do y'all think?
 
I'm seeing a lot of people screeching that "to within a few yards from a ballot box" is not acceptable...
 
And they are conveniently ignoring "to within a few yards from dozens of ballot boxes in one night."
 
And yeah, you are getting tracked by your phone...
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: Pb on May 09, 2022, 01:35:43 PM
I have just seen the preview... I would like to know more about what you all think.

This appears to be some actual hard evidence of illegality during the election... something that appeared to be absent until now.
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: Fly320s on May 09, 2022, 06:32:30 PM
Can you guys try using English in a clear manner?

I have no idea what you are talking about.
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: dogmush on May 09, 2022, 06:52:44 PM
2000 Mules is a movie released last week that purports to offer evidence of ballot box stuffing in the 2020 election. In this case "Mules" refers to people hired to drive around and stuff ballot boxes with [presumably] fraudulent ballots.

The left side of social media is calling it fake and out of context.  The right side of social media is calling it proof of fraud.  In general the usual suspects are kinda wound up.

Trailer can be seen here:  https://youtu.be/WiZ9qJZUqrI
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: bedlamite on May 09, 2022, 10:37:04 PM
https://odysee.com/@AndreCorbeil:2/he0_d.caa:1
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: Bogie on May 10, 2022, 01:32:40 AM
Watch it - and ask yourself why thousands of folks are trying to shut it down.
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: Boomhauer on May 10, 2022, 09:42:55 AM
nO wIdEsPreAd fRaud
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: DittoHead on May 10, 2022, 12:15:26 PM
Watch it - and ask yourself why thousands of folks are trying to shut it down.
I'm guessing you didn't pay the $20 to rent it? [popcorn]
While I do think that Mike Lindell is off his rocker, at least he doesn't try to charge $$ to see his "evidence".  That makes it look awful grifty.
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: fifth_column on May 10, 2022, 12:33:24 PM
I'm guessing you didn't pay the $20 to rent it? [popcorn]
While I do think that Mike Lindell is off his rocker, at least he doesn't try to charge $$ to see his "evidence".  That makes it look awful grifty.

The link bedlamite posted is free.
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: DittoHead on May 10, 2022, 12:44:37 PM
The link bedlamite posted is free.

I understand that free (pirate) versions are available, my point is that Dinesh & Salem Media did not release it for free. Send them that link and a cease & desist letter will probably show up. My understanding is that they haven't released the underlying data yet either. Mike Lindell is spending his own money and sharing all his evidence as widely and freely as he can - that makes for a much better impression of his motives even if his theories are a bit "out there".
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: 230RN on May 10, 2022, 01:47:11 PM
2000 Mules is a movie released last week that purports to offer evidence of ballot box stuffing in the 2020 election. In this case "Mules" refers to people hired to drive around and stuff ballot boxes with [presumably] fraudulent ballots.

The left side of social media is calling it fake and out of context.  The right side of social media is calling it proof of fraud.  In general the usual suspects are kinda wound up.

Trailer can be seen here:  https://youtu.be/WiZ9qJZUqrI

Thank you.

How hard is it to provide a link in the OP?

We're here to communicate, not mystify.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: Jim147 on May 10, 2022, 02:19:53 PM
They announced a couple days ago they are releasing all the data.
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: DittoHead on May 10, 2022, 02:27:33 PM
They announced a couple days ago they are releasing all the data.

Excellent, I'll keep an eye out for it. Hopefully there is a decent written report, I don't do video even if it is free.
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: Pb on May 11, 2022, 11:04:23 AM
The film is supposed to be revealing illegal ballot harvesting- where operatives collect and drop off absentee ballots.  The ballots themselves could be legitimately filled out by the voter or completely fraudulent. 

Ballot harvesting is legal in some states (CA, of course) and illegal in others.  The film is trying to prove illegal ballot harvesting was widespread in some states.

You can imagine if one party did a lot of illegal ballot harvesting and the other obeyed the law, it would give the lawbreaking side a large advantage.

I haven't seen the film.
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: Bogie on May 11, 2022, 07:10:38 PM
Some of it was also about redirected absentee ballots, or ballots which were filled out by the true believers for people who wouldn't/couldn't vote.
 
"So you look at the voter rolls for the past 10 years, and you see someone hasn't voted - you can be pretty sure that they aren't going to show up, so you make sure their vote is counted."
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: Pb on May 11, 2022, 10:11:35 PM
Bogie, can you tell us more about the film, for those of us who haven't seen it?
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: Bogie on May 11, 2022, 11:59:36 PM
Basically, the "True the Vote" folks were able to get "big data." Cell phone tracks, voter registration records, etc... They're for sale...
 
Then, they winnowed things down until they saw patterns... People who hadn't voted in a decade suddenly doing absentee ballots, and not just a few. They got video (FOIA type availability) from dropbox sites, etc...
 
Seems that there were a lot of people who would visit a ballot aggregation site (such as a local campaign HQ), and then drive by 20-30 dropboxes, dumping a few into each.
 
Some of them took pictures, presumably to prove that they were doing so.
 
I suspect that it will be even more spread out next election...
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: Pb on May 12, 2022, 10:34:38 AM

Seems that there were a lot of people who would visit a ballot aggregation site (such as a local campaign HQ), and then drive by 20-30 dropboxes, dumping a few into each.


Why would the mule not drop all the ballots into one box?  And did the movie interview any of the mules?
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: bedlamite on May 12, 2022, 05:36:46 PM
https://tv.gab.com/channel/rocco_1776/view/2000-mules-627b388ba4432ab5c245ce43

Can't stop the signal.
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: Pb on May 12, 2022, 06:46:07 PM
I'm guessing you didn't pay the $20 to rent it? [popcorn]
While I do think that Mike Lindell is off his rocker, at least he doesn't try to charge $$ to see his "evidence".  That makes it look awful grifty.

I am guessing they want to earn profit on it, or at least pay their expenses.  Supposedly, they spent two million dollars to get the cell phone data. 
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: DittoHead on May 18, 2022, 02:35:14 PM
DíSouza did a pretty long & adversarial interview about the movie with a Washington Post reporter.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/17/discussing-gaps-2000-mules-with-dinesh-dsouza/
When pressed on a specific items, he tended to fall back on True the Vote having the data/proof/hard evidence and the movie was not meant to convey all of it in detail.
Quote
There are things that you canít do in a movie that are nevertheless being done on the ground that are part of the research process. I canít take the True the Vote report to the state of Georgia and include all that information in the movie. The movie is driven in part by decisions about what makes the movie work well. Thereís an emphasis, for example, on video because video is visual and you can see whatís going on with your two eyes.
...
what youíre asking me to do is unfair, which is youíre asking me to unfurl that geotracking evidence, mule by mule, in the movie. And what Iím trying to say is that is putting impossible demands on the movie. Itís kind of like, you bring out a ballistics expert and he says something about the gun, and then youíre saying, ďProve to me that that particular gun has those exact qualities, even though thatís uncontested in this debate.Ē The investigators accept it as true. And so youíre putting a burden on the movie that no movie can bear.
...
no movie by itself is the, quote, ďcase for the prosecution.Ē What the movie does is itís a spur to the prosecution to do its job. So what Iím saying is Iím hoping that [Attorney General Mark] Brnovich in Arizona or Raffenspergerís office in Georgia or the guys in Philadelphia will dive into this.

Which I think is fair, a movie isn't a great way to provide a lot of specific & detailed evidence (still waiting for that).
It is a good way to persuade people, which is a big reason I don't do video  :old:.
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: kgbsquirrel on May 18, 2022, 03:33:15 PM
Why would the mule not drop all the ballots into one box?  And did the movie interview any of the mules?

To make the box stuffing less noticeable.
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: DittoHead on June 01, 2022, 04:25:25 PM
They announced a couple days ago they are releasing all the data.

Any update on this? I haven't been able to find any data release.
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: RocketMan on June 01, 2022, 05:01:52 PM
Any update on this? I haven't been able to find any data release.

My guess would be they are waiting for the theatrical release, such as it was, to end.  And they may wait a bit for DVD and streaming sales to taper off.  Releasing the data could give them a brief bump in sales.
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: Pb on June 01, 2022, 09:44:48 PM
To make the box stuffing less noticeable.

Couldn't you just mail in ballots?
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: HankB on June 03, 2022, 12:40:44 PM
Couldn't you just mail in ballots?
People stuffing ballot boxes wouldn't want to commit mail fraud?
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: JTHunter on June 03, 2022, 02:41:06 PM
There was an article I read yesterday about a woman in AZ whow was either charged with of convicted of voter fraud.  I'm not at my computer now so I don't have the link from Yahoo.
While this woman may just be a "low level operative", it was interesting to note that the article DID identify her as a democrat.
  >:D
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: Bogie on June 03, 2022, 03:28:55 PM
I haven't seen one of the mailed ballots, but...
 
They aren't going to be comparing every signature. Even a small amount. And machines can't do that with any sort of reliability.
 
And if it can be printed, it can be... printed.
 
The first one is expensive. After that one, hell, run it 24/7...
Title: Re: 2000 Mules
Post by: JTHunter on June 04, 2022, 12:13:10 AM
Here's that link.
https://news.yahoo.com/records-show-coordinated-arizona-ballot-185435492.html