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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: gunsmith on May 27, 2022, 04:52:04 AM
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/10oEaE44lzE/
I like styxx, been watching his stuff for a yr or so, he's not as much of a gun guy like we are tho
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I think he's just commenting on someone picking a particular point in the normal course of firearms development as the "origin" of a particular design, the development point here being the Nazi era.
That "particular design" in this case being a shoulder weapon of full automatic fire with a reduced power cartridge suitable for "walking fire" in an assault.
That is, an "assault weapon."
Going back to shooting rocks out of a bamboo tube was an apt example of picking a particular point in firearms development history in order to claim that the AR series was a Chinese invention --if that was the ax you wanted to grind this week.
Actually, I blame the whole thing on Roger Bacon.
Terry, 230RN
REF:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bacon
"Bacon's major work, the Opus Majus, was sent to Pope Clement IV in Rome in 1267 upon the pope's request. Although gunpowder was first invented and described in China, Bacon was the first in Europe to record its formula."
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Want to start a long drawn out argument that goes nowhere?
Ask on a gun forum what was the first 'assault" rifle and how to define one.
Then go on a naval forum and ask to define a Battlecruiser.
Problem is there's no solid straight line between what is and what isn't
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A good reply to "The AR15 is a Nazi gun!" is something along the lines of "The gun control you're proposing is based on Hitler's weapon laws that disarmed Jews!"
Weimar Germany had gun restrictions in place before Hitler, of course . . . but the Nazis built on them. Big time. Especially in conquered territories.
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One of the first (if not the first!) assault rifles was actually made in 1917, the Winchester Burton Machine Rifle.
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/371fb0989b0795806369df8f413f5811/tumblr_nwqav4Noao1s57vgxo2_r1_640.jpg)
https://www.historicalfirearms.info/post/139141156104/the-winchester-burton-machine-rifle-the
It is a weird gun!
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What many argue is the first
The Russian Fedorov Avtomat designed in 1913
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedorov_Avtomat
Here's Gun Jesus taking one apart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7yhQXFKHMc
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What many argue is the first
The Russian Fedorov Avtomat designed in 1913
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedorov_Avtomat
Here's Gun Jesus taking one apart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7yhQXFKHMc
Thomas Jefferson had one before that: the Girardoni air rifle.
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Then there was the "Pedersen Device," which was a substitute bolt for the .30-'06 Springfield '03 which allowed small .30 caliber cartridges to be semiauto fired from forty round magazines.
The slightly modified rifle itself had an ejection port cut into the side of the receiver.
Chapter XV, pp 361-380, the Notebook.
While not full-auto, the intent of developing a whirlwind of semi-auto fire was very impressive to the test board, circa 1917 CE.
This was intended for the walking fire of an assault, but was considered to be inadequate, because the pistol-sized bullets did not have the menacing supersonic crack of the full .30-06 and the enemy would not keep their heads down.
I always thought that was stupid because if they didn't keep their heads down, they would afford better targets. Duh. Maybe I'm missing something on that.
Oh, well, that's what Hatcher said.
Terry, 230RN