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Title: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 12:42:16 PM
Highland Park, Il which is outside Chicago.

Developing story.
Reports of multiple people down

Illinois 4th of July parade erupts into chaos after multiple people shot: Report
https://www.foxnews.com/us/chaos-erupts-multiple-people-are-shot-4th-july-parade

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Miles Zaremski, a Highland Park resident, told the Sun-Times: “I heard 20 to 25 shots, which were in rapid succession. So it couldn’t have been just a handgun or a shotgun.”

Zaremski said that after the shots at Central Avenue around Second Avenue in downtown Highland Park, he saw “people in that area that got shot,” including “a woman covered with blood . . . She did not survive.”
Mass shooting at Highland Park Fourth of July parade, multiple people shot
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2022/7/4/23194354/highland-park-fourth-july-parade-gunfire
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 12:58:36 PM
Suspect still on the loose
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 01:16:28 PM
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Dan Ponce
@DanPonceTV
Witnesses say the shooter was on the roof of Uncle Dan’s and fired into parade.  5 or 6 shots, then a pause, then 5 or 6 more shots.  The shooter is still at large and North Shore residents are being asked to stay inside.  #highlandpark @WGNNews
https://twitter.com/DanPonceTV/status/1543994880594247682
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 01:28:12 PM
Reported now 5 dead, 16 hospitalized
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2022/7/4/23194354/highland-park-fourth-july-parade-gunfire
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 01:37:21 PM
Sick and tired of this *expletive deleted*it
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 02:04:13 PM
Police report 6 dead ~2 dozen seriously injured
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Jim147 on July 04, 2022, 02:20:35 PM
That is a well to do area outside of Chicago, so I'm guessing white guy with an AR maybe even an 80% lower.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 02:39:27 PM
That is a well to do area outside of Chicago, so I'm guessing white guy with an AR maybe even an 80% lower.


Agenda-Free TV kept emphasizing "wealthy area" over and over again.
Agenda-Free should be quotes since the guy can be a full on agenda leftest from time to time but if you can ignore that he's good for raw info.
Sometimes people push the right buttons in chat and he has had on screen meltdowns and his inner leftest comes out.  :rofl:
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 02:48:43 PM
Still looking for the guy

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The gunman, who has not yet been identified, was described by Highland Park police as a white man between 18 and 20 years old with a small build and "longer" black hair. He is wearing a white or blue T-shirt, according to Highland Park Police Cmmd. Chris O'Neill.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Jim147 on July 04, 2022, 04:44:12 PM
Reading he left the weapon behind. 25-30 rapid shots.

I wish all these people would just off themselves and leave everyone else alone.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Brad Johnson on July 04, 2022, 05:03:17 PM
Reading he left the weapon behind. 25-30 rapid shots.

Left it behind? How convenient. Knee-jerk first thought on that is some lefty sicko trying for a frame-up of conservatives, scary black rifles, and "high capacity" mags.

Brad
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 05:07:49 PM
Left it behind? How convenient. Knee-jerk first thought on that is some lefty sicko trying for a frame-up of conservatives, scary black rifles, and "high capacity" mags.

Brad

Probably so he could blend in with the running crowd.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Brad Johnson on July 04, 2022, 05:11:13 PM
Probably so he could blend in with the running crowd.

Yeah, I know. That's logical analysis, but what with all the sociopolitical chaos right now, the tin foil is pulled a bit tight.

Brad
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 05:11:47 PM
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After deadly parade shooting, David Hogg’s buddy asks if anyone’s seen Kyle Rittenhouse recently
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/07/04/after-deadly-parade-shooting-david-hoggs-buddy-asks-if-anyones-seen-kyle-rittenhouse-recently/

Saw people blaming Rittenhouse in chats. You would think they're trolling but you got to wonder some days

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Jim147 on July 04, 2022, 05:38:09 PM
Yeah, I know. That's logical analysis, but what with all the sociopolitical chaos right now, the tin foil is pulled a bit tight.

Brad

I had to go find my tin foil when I made my first post. I spent a lot of time in the Chicago area, grew up in fly over land and have been to the south many times. The most racist people I ever meet are in Chicago. 
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: BobR on July 04, 2022, 05:41:24 PM
I had to go find my tin foil when I made my first post. I spent a lot of time in the Chicago area, grew up in fly over land and have been to the south many times. The most racist people I ever meet are in Chicago.

Haven't spent much time in Hawaii interacting with Pacific Islanders I see.  =|

bob
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 05:44:01 PM
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Temple says that 19 of the 25 gunshot victims were treated and have been discharged home.
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/illinois-shooting-july-fourth-parade-07-04-22/index.html 

 ???

Seems a bit odd IMHO
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: BobR on July 04, 2022, 05:50:54 PM
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/illinois-shooting-july-fourth-parade-07-04-22/index.html 

 ???

Seems a bit odd IMHO

A lot of those may have been self transport. It could be anything from anxiety attack, scraped knees from falling down to much more serious. Usually most, if not all, of the self transporters are treated and released.

bob

eta: It is also a lot harder to get compensated by the state or other methods if you don't show some type of immediate injury, says the cynical me.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 05:54:01 PM
A lot of those may have been self transport. It could be anything from anxiety attack, scraped knees from falling down to much more serious. Usually most, if not all, of the self transporters are treated and released.

bob

What I thought but it says "gunshot victims "
Could be a reporter being a "reporter"
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 05:56:24 PM
A suspect has been named Something Something the III
22 year old
Driving a 2010 Honda Fit IL plates
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 06:01:10 PM
In a chat
" Honda Fit = incel car"
 :rofl:
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: BobR on July 04, 2022, 06:08:28 PM
What I thought but it says "gunshot victims "
Could be a reporter being a "reporter"

I read that also, it does seem odd. It could also be something like scratches or minor wounds from shrapnel or pieces of concrete, etc hitting them. We will never know for sure, that I am sure of.

bob
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Ron on July 04, 2022, 06:09:40 PM
There is a photo out there of the AR mounted on a tripod up on a roof. Just from a casual look at it it appears to be a spendy looking set up.

Highland Park is northside, very Jewish. It wouldn't surprise me if this gets spun as a hate crime.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 06:13:47 PM
He has a YT channel
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 06:20:03 PM
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Michael Ruiz
@mikerreports
Law enforcement sources said they recovered an AR-15 and that he may have at least three other firearms in his possession Anyone with information on his whereabouts is asked to call authorities.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 06:25:12 PM
This is suppose to be him
I copied and pasted the whole thing because they'll probably take it down

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm10487202/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

Known For
On My Mind
On My Mind
Director
2019
Love Me Even Though I Don't Love Myself
Love Me Even Though I Don't Love Myself
Director

Bobby Crimo
Biography
Showing all 3 items
Jump to: Overview (1)  | Mini Bio (2)
Overview (1)
Height    6' (1.83 m)
Mini Bio (2)

Bobby Crimo (Born September 20, 2000), known professionally as Awake The Rapper, is an American rapper, singer, songwriter, actor and director from Chicago, IL. The hip hop phenom is mostly known for his hit song On My Mind which was released on October 8, 2018. The track has amassed millions of plays so far across online streaming platforms.

- IMDb Mini Biography By: Ruby Sparks (Sleepy Squad)

The six foot Hip hop phenom Awake The Rapper was born Robert Eugene Crimo III on September 20, 2000 in Chicago, Il. He's the middle child of three and of Italian descent.

Bobby began uploading his music to the internet when he was 11. The world first started turning their heads with the release of his 2016 track By The Pond featuring Atlas. Directly Following that Awake released his fan favorite mixtape "messages" on December 23, 2017. The Lo-fi sad boy then went on to release a second mixtape entitled "observer" on August 10, 2018 and an Ep. called "The Future Is Dope" on his 18th birthday. Fast Forward a couple months and Awake releases his hit song "On My Mind".

Awake The Rappers Net worth is estimated at $100 thousand.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 06:31:36 PM
His YT videos have been taken down but someone just put this up
Yeah, he looks stable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR19IRWwiTM
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 06:42:51 PM
News conference

The gun violence crises!
Blaming the gun blah blah blah...............blah
This madness must stop
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 06:46:20 PM
Gov calling for gun control
"We allow this to happen"
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Jim147 on July 04, 2022, 06:46:40 PM
Seeing his picture, I don't think this will stay in the news as long as it should.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 06:47:54 PM
"Our founders carried muskets not assault weapons!"
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 06:50:09 PM
Senator Duckworth
"Last time I heard a weapon like that was in Iraq"
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Jim147 on July 04, 2022, 06:52:20 PM
That makes the second time I have heard reference to full auto. Maybe a bump stock or people just don't understand how fast simi-auto can be.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 06:52:33 PM
Bet more are shot in Chicago this evening and they will say nothing.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Jim147 on July 04, 2022, 06:55:01 PM
Just put my foil back on. 80% lower with a 3D printed happy switch.

I'm not a tin foil guy but it just pisses me off when someone kills kids.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 06:55:54 PM
Seeing his picture, I don't think this will stay in the news as long as it should.

Seen some calling him Alt Right
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 06:58:50 PM
With those tattoos it's going to hard as    for him not to be noticed
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 07:01:50 PM
FBI put this up

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/law-enforcement-assistance/robert-e-crimo-iii
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: MillCreek on July 04, 2022, 07:03:38 PM
I will be interested to hear if the tattoos have any significance or are just random body art.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 04, 2022, 07:05:26 PM
FBI put this up

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/law-enforcement-assistance/robert-e-crimo-iii

Wonder if he's really 120 pounds. He'd slip out between the jail cell bars.

Also, I want Doocy to ask if the VP has set up a bail fund yet.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Ben on July 04, 2022, 07:06:51 PM
Haven't spent much time in Hawaii interacting with Pacific Islanders I see.  =|

bob

No *expletive deleted*it. It's certainly not all of them, but they definitely have their own version of la raza.

The last time I visited Hot Ukrainian ex-coworker, we were heading to the beach, and a home boy in a ratty old Toyota pickup broke down on 50 on an uphill a couple of cars in front of us blocking traffic. He was trying to push his truck, but no go, and the people in front of us were just watching, so her brother and me ran up and helped push him two driveways up, which was apparently his house. He never even looked at us as we came up and helped.  We got him in the driveway, and he just slammed the car door shut and went in the house, leaving us haoles just standing there. All we could do was shake our heads, smile, and be on our way.  :laugh:
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 07:17:34 PM
Wonder if he's really 120 pounds. He'd slip out between the jail cell bars.

Also, I want Doocy to ask if the VP has set up a bail fund yet.

Throw him in the back of a hot truck along with that truck driver

Have to burn down a police station to qualify for the Kamala bail fund program
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 04, 2022, 07:25:04 PM
Throw him in the back of a hot truck along with that truck driver

Have to burn down a police station to qualify for the Kamala bail fund program

Day's not over...
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 07:47:13 PM
Senator Duckworth
"Last time I heard a weapon like that was in Iraq"

I wasn't going to be cruel but screw it

Looks like she ate Iraq
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 07:58:11 PM
Got em
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: charby on July 04, 2022, 07:58:53 PM
Breaking news on CBS, he's in custody.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 08:00:16 PM
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WGN TV News
@WGNNews
#BREAKING: Man wanted in Highland Park parade shooting taken into custody:  https://wgntv.com/news/highland-
https://twitter.com/WGNNews/status/1544105503290171392?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Jim147 on July 04, 2022, 08:14:41 PM
Taken alive. I'm glad I'm not a cop. This would be one of those he moved moments. Why do those only seem to happen to some people?
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 08:15:21 PM
Someone in chat
"Good thing he didn't kill himself because now he has a chance to get an education and improve himself"

IMHO killing himself would have been improving himself

Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: MillCreek on July 04, 2022, 08:16:42 PM
Robert E. Crimo III did not kill himself.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 08:17:41 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FW3F8zRWIAAkQvm?format=jpg&name=medium
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FW3F8zRWIAAkQvm?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 04, 2022, 08:24:43 PM
Someone on twitter posted a photo of what could be him with a Trump flag follow by posts of "that explains it!".
Looks to me he's fooling around with a Trump flag but I suppose that won't matter to the libs and MSM.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Bogie on July 05, 2022, 07:36:06 AM
I'd really like to see a blood chemistry workup immediately post booking, but that won't happen...
 
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: RocketMan on July 05, 2022, 08:30:15 AM
As happens so often, the shooter is being reported as having been known to law enforcement, with mental health issues going back to middle school, and very troubling social media postings.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: cordex on July 05, 2022, 09:14:30 AM
As happens so often, the shooter is being reported as having been known to law enforcement, with mental health issues going back to middle school, and very troubling social media postings.
One of these days that may well be sufficient for incarceration.

And it won't be an improvement.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 09:39:17 AM
Bet more are shot in Chicago this evening and they will say nothing.

Meanwhile

Chicago shootings: 71 shot, 8 killed in 4th of July weekend violence, CPD says
https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shooting-weekend-shootings-violence-crime/12019829/

The same politicians and MSM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17Jq0QqK4k0
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Boomhauer on July 05, 2022, 09:43:17 AM
So who else finds it suspicious that the same .gov personnel who can’t do their jobs of investigation in the first place can ID, announce they know who did it, and catch them quickly after such an incident? Just like wrapping up an investigation in a police procedural show?
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 09:50:03 AM
As happens so often, the shooter is being reported as having been known to law enforcement, with mental health issues going back to middle school, and very troubling social media postings.

One of these days that may well be sufficient for incarceration.

And it won't be an improvement.

Very thin line between where red flag laws can be a good thing and where they can be bad a thing.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Ron on July 05, 2022, 10:13:30 AM
So who else finds it suspicious that the same .gov personnel who can’t do their jobs of investigation in the first place can ID, announce they know who did it, and catch them quickly after such an incident? Just like wrapping up an investigation in a police procedural show?
Are you not entertained?

Enjoy the show.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: RocketMan on July 05, 2022, 10:30:32 AM
One of these days that may well be sufficient for incarceration.

And it won't be an improvement.

Agreed.  There is often much information available that points to an individual being a potentially violent nutjob, before said individual ever acts.  I just wish something worthwhile could be done when folks like this pop up on the LE radar.  What that something would or could be that does not infringe on basic civil liberties, I haven't a clue.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Brad Johnson on July 05, 2022, 10:35:11 AM
What that something would or could be that does not infringe on basic civil liberties, I haven't a clue.

Therein lies the problem. What appears in hindsight as proof of one nutjob's intent might be another's innocent personal quirk. Short of a fundamental change to presumption of guilt in all cases, there's no way to know until the action occurs.

Brad
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 10:46:08 AM
Photos floating around purporting to show a ANTIFA tattoo on his neck. I've not seen it in any photos I've seen of him and it is been reported the photos are of someone else's neck.

Quote
This picture collage showing his face and purporting to prove he's antifa shows some completely random other person's rose tattoo
https://www.thefocus.news/culture/robert-crimo-tattoos/
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 12:32:32 PM
WATCH: Highland Park police hold news conference on shooting investigation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwbQ1cK8ZHg
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 12:41:02 PM
Consider everything below to be in quotes

Preplanned the attack for weeks
He bought a "high powered" rifle
Purchased legally in IL by Crimo
Fired more than 70 rounds
He was dress in woman's clothing
He "borrowed" his mother's vehicle
2nd rifle found in vehicle.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 12:44:00 PM
Rifle was purchased locally
Had other firearms other than the two rifles.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 12:46:16 PM
No info to suggest racial or religious motive
Similar to an AR15
High powered rifle that fired high vel rounds
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 12:51:15 PM
Mayor surprisingly stayed non political. Mostly talked about memorial services
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: MillCreek on July 05, 2022, 01:07:02 PM
No info to suggest racial or religious motive

So I will be interested to see if he has an actual psych history.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Brad Johnson on July 05, 2022, 02:08:08 PM
So I will be interested to see if he has an actual psych history.

StyxHex's take on it. Seems a pretty solidly logical analysis.

Brad
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 03:01:49 PM
He Who Sleeps With Chinese Spies being an ass

https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1544336285040508931
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Brad Johnson on July 05, 2022, 03:36:45 PM
Fox News reporting that shooter wasn't necessarily known to the police, but the family certainly was. Known history of dysfunction, including multiple instances of police cars at their house because parents were fighting. Mentions of constantly being late to pick up kids after-school sports, so much that calls had to be made to remind them.

Nothing much specific to Dad other than one mention of seeming benevolence towards local yutes. Mom is a piece of work, a complete flake. Known for her temper, for her home being an eyesore, and for being an "energy healer".

https://www.foxnews.com/us/highland-park-shooting-suspects-parents-problem-says-former-coach

Brad
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 03:45:49 PM
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Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Brad Johnson on July 05, 2022, 03:47:53 PM
I guess his vibrational frequencies weren't resonating properly.

Brad
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 03:49:33 PM
I guess his vibrational frequencies weren't resonating properly.

Brad

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Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Jim147 on July 05, 2022, 05:07:03 PM
Yeah this guy was stable and still able to get a fudd card.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/police-two-prior-contacts-alleged-highland-park-shooter
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: MechAg94 on July 05, 2022, 05:11:57 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CfmsTaRDqPv/
Mrgunsngear posted this on his Instagram.  Video of the parade area (not the shooting itself) and you can hear the shots.  Sounds like someone doing a mag dump in semi-auto, not really aiming. 

Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Brad Johnson on July 05, 2022, 05:16:56 PM
Yeah this guy was stable and still able to get a fudd card.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/police-two-prior-contacts-alleged-highland-park-shooter

So the vaunted FOID card, fixer of all things firearms-related and guarantor of absolute peace amongst man, did nothing to stop this incident?

Brad
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Jim147 on July 05, 2022, 05:26:37 PM
So the vaunted FOID card, fixer of all things firearms-related and guarantor of absolute peace amongst man, did nothing to stop this incident?

Brad

They also already have red flag laws and parades are gun free zones so there is all that stuff that worked to stop this.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 05:36:25 PM
Highland Park police hold news conference on shooting investigation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS4yLdgGqQM

7 dead now
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 05:44:06 PM
Still no motive
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 05:44:37 PM
Rifle was found in a red blanket behind Ross's (sp?)
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: sumpnz on July 05, 2022, 05:45:22 PM
Rather than wade through all the prior posts can someone give a highly condensed summary of the events?  Missed most coverage as I was busy trying (and only modestly succeeding at) to catch crab over the weekend.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 05:53:12 PM
He drove to Wisconsin before going back to Il
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 05:54:12 PM
Press keeps asking about his FOID card
No real info
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 05:57:19 PM
End
No new info other than above
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Brad Johnson on July 05, 2022, 06:09:43 PM
From the Fox News update feed. Story by Bradford Betz. Posted 07/05/2022.

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/highland-park-illinois-fourth-of-july-parade-shooting

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Highland Park mass shooting suspect had two prior incidents, police said
Robert Crimo, the suspect in the Highland Park Fourth of July parade shooting that killed seven and wounded dozens, was involved in two incidents prior to the massacre, police said Tuesday.

In April 2019, an individual called police a week after learning of Crimo attempting suicide, authorities said. Police said the matter was handled by mental health professionals with no law enforcement.

In September 2019, a family member reported Crimo had a collection of knives and “was going to kill everyone,” authorities said. Police responded to the incident and removed the weapons from Crimo’s possession, police said. Highland Park police notified State Police of the incident but no further actions were taken.

So... not one but two discrete events which should have triggered an Ill Annoy FOID card rejection or revocation, yet he still had one?

Brad
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 06:20:40 PM
And IL has red flag laws
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 06:22:53 PM
Both parents

Toddler found at Highland Park scene orphaned in shooting
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/3546775-toddler-found-walking-around-highland-park-scene-alone-orphaned-in-shooting/
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 06:27:35 PM
Blames guns, the NRA, and manages to throw Rittenhouse and Trump in.

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When the Kyle Rittenhouses of the world are acquitted on all charges and afterward invited by the ex-president to visit him at his luxury resort and military style weapons are made more and more available to just about anyone who wants them, these mass shootings are only going to get worse. We are teaching those who may have leanings toward this kind of behavior that there are no consequences for their actions. In fact, they are now being hailed as heroes, well at least at Mar-a-Lago, where this kind of behavior is encouraged and applauded.

Highland Park tragedy proof that gun violence is not just a Chicago problem
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2022/7/5/23195295/highland-park-chicago-mass-shooting-gun-violence-assault-weapon-robert-bobby-crimo
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 06:28:16 PM
 WATCH: Illinois State’s Attorney’s office to discuss charges in Fourth of July shooting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7HAfchVZAE
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 06:51:04 PM
SA is proposing red flag laws (Il already has them) and calling for the banning of assault weapons
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 06:58:58 PM
Meanwhile

Chicago shootings: 71 shot, 8 killed in 4th of July weekend violence, CPD says
https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shooting-weekend-shootings-violence-crime/12019829/

The same politicians and MSM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17Jq0QqK4k0

Make that 92 shot and 15 dead
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 07:33:26 PM
Yep, looks like your typical Trump supporting extreme far right wing white supremacist

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Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 07:34:57 PM
His disguise that day

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Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 07:41:38 PM
Something keeps bugging me and it could the audio quality of the videos but I keep thinking the shots sounded more pistol cal like to me. Something along the lines of a Sub 2000 would make sense in sneaking a gun in.
I do notice what appears to be backpack straps in the above photo
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 07:46:32 PM
Noticed google may be limiting access to photos of him. Only 7 just came up now whereas earlier a hundred or more came up. Duck Duck go still works fine
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 07:56:52 PM
His mother yelling at police. Yeah, she looks real stable.  Note how they felt the need to blur out a certain part of her body.
Anyway... Apparently a UPS store where she has a box has been close by the police. Hmmmm

 Highland Park mass shooting suspect's mother at center of some police contact
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhy4LlJAPBE
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: MechAg94 on July 05, 2022, 07:58:14 PM
Something keeps bugging me and it could the audio quality of the videos but I keep thinking the shots sounded more pistol cal like to me. Something along the lines of a Sub 2000 would make sense in sneaking a gun in.
I do notice what appears to be backpack straps in the above photo
Pistol was my first thought, but rifle is possible.  Could also be an AR style pistol or something real short. 

I am a bit surprised no one saw him pulling the weapon out and making it ready.  Maybe they did. 
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 08:08:48 PM
Pistol was my first thought, but rifle is possible.  Could also be an AR style pistol or something real short. 

I am a bit surprised no one saw him pulling the weapon out and making it ready.  Maybe they did.

Thought about an AR pistol or something along the lines of a Draco. But they do keep saying rifle and I'm hoping the police can at the very least get that right. Yeah, I know...
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 08:25:42 PM
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Crimo is also accused of 'sizing up' the Central Avenue Synagogue in Highland Park, Illinois, according to the Times of Israel.

Rabbi Yosef Schanowitz is quoted by the website as saying that he recognized the suspect from an incident that occurred in April 2022. The rabbi said: 'During the last Passover holiday, that person entered the Chabad synagogue. We have an armed security guard sitting in front… I approached him and sternly asked him to leave as I noticed he was not a member of our community.'

In a separate interview with Forward.com, the congregation's head of security Martin Blumenthal said of Crimo: 'He was definitely sizing up the synagogue.'

Also note the numerous occurrences of the number 47. No only the tattoo but also on his car and social media posts
AK-47? 47 as in 4th of July? 47 as in 1947 when the UN  approved the plan to partition Palestine into a Jewish and Arab state? That would connect with the above.

Highland Park shooter Robert Crimo is charged with seven counts of first-degree murder: Interviewed by cops twice in 2019 after he threatened to 'kill everyone' and had 16 knives, dagger and sword confiscated - but wasn't arrested
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10985319/Highland-Park-shooter-interviewed-cops-TWICE-2019.html
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Bogie on July 05, 2022, 08:45:42 PM
I saw something that said he left a tripod-mounted firearm behind? Any corroboration?
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 08:49:02 PM
I saw something that said he left a tripod-mounted firearm behind? Any corroboration?

I heard that but in a press conferences they said the rifle was found wrapped in a red blanket behind Ross's (store/shop)
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Bogie on July 05, 2022, 10:15:35 PM
So I figure someone didn't have their story straight....
 
Did anyone else read John D. McDonald's Grim Reaper? It described a group of "commie hippies" back around 1970 or so, that their handlers trained to spray and pray... Sounds like more than a few "mass shooters."
 
Because... Gee, if I had been doing something like that? Or Vegas? Or...
 
I WOULD NEVER DO THAT - THIS IS ONLY A MENTAL EXERCISE INTO THE TACTICS OF THE ACTUAL PERPETRATORS!!!!!!
 
Damn, they didn't do it all that well... It's like they never even heard of the concept of the L-shaped ambush, much less grazing fire.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2022, 10:22:26 PM
Anyone else wondering how they named him as a suspect so soon afterwards if he was disguised?
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Jim147 on July 05, 2022, 11:08:43 PM
Anyone else wondering how they named him as a suspect so soon afterwards if he was disguised?

They already said it was a social media search.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 06, 2022, 08:26:18 AM
They already said it was a social media search.

The speed with which they did so is almost enough to make me think they had a few ideas on who to look for.
I would be willing to bet at this point his pass troubles put him toward the top of certain lists while SOMEHOW failing to disqualifying him for a FOID card at the same time.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 06, 2022, 08:37:10 AM
His father co-signed his FOID card in 2019 despite knowing the kid had serious issues
Some question just how much effect, if any, this possibly had in over riding FOID red flags

How the Highland Park Shooter Reportedly Obtained His Guns Is Beyond Ridiculous
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2022/07/06/how-the-highland-park-shooter-got-his-gun-n2609795

Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 06, 2022, 09:07:07 AM
Lord help us

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Vice President Kamala Harris just spoke at the scene of the Highland Park mass shooting.

“We have to take this stuff seriously, as seriously as you are because you have been forced to take this seriously,” she said.
https://twitter.com/JakeSheridan_/status/1544479335008051200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1544479335008051200%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Ffoundersgirl-313133%2F2022%2F07%2F06%2Fkamala-harris-seriously-bumbles-through-another-seriously-redundant-press-conference-seriously%2F

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Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Battle Monkey of Zardoz on July 06, 2022, 09:22:00 AM
What wespon(s) were used?  If LE has made that public, I’ve missed it.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 06, 2022, 09:26:25 AM
What wespon(s) were used?  If LE has made that public, I’ve missed it.

Couple pages back
"Similar to an AR-15" is all we've gotten so far.
Could mean anything from an AR-15 variant to it's black and has a long magazine.

My guess is that they're keeping quiet about it because this way only the shooter would know certain details about it and that can be used against him as evidence.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 06, 2022, 10:14:56 AM
Lord help us
https://twitter.com/JakeSheridan_/status/1544479335008051200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1544479335008051200%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Ffoundersgirl-313133%2F2022%2F07%2F06%2Fkamala-harris-seriously-bumbles-through-another-seriously-redundant-press-conference-seriously%2F


https://twitter.com/LexerD1986/status/1544480407806263297
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: MechAg94 on July 06, 2022, 10:26:57 AM
The White House normally has speech writers to help with stuff like that.  Hers must be pretty bad. 

However, this really sounds like she was trying to speak off the cuff and is just bad at it.  I am surprised she didn't break into laughter as she has done in the past.  Maybe people have been working with her to stop doing that. 
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: cordex on July 06, 2022, 10:30:57 AM
The White House normally has speech writers to help with stuff like that.  Hers much be pretty bad. 

However, this really sounds like she was trying to speak off the cuff and is just bad at it.  I am surprised she didn't break into laughter as she has done in the past.  Maybe people have been working with her to stop doing that.
She's just following the old adage relating to presentations about telling them three times (tell them what you're going to tell them; tell them; tell them what you told them).  She's just being efficient and doing it in one sentence.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 06, 2022, 10:32:21 AM
The White House normally has speech writers to help with stuff like that.  Hers much be pretty bad.

I have yet to see a single person in this admin that isn't totally incompetent and isn't confused as blank in some way.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 06, 2022, 10:57:42 AM
As much as I hate FOIDs and Red Flag laws somebody dropped the ball hard.
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    Illinois State Police said they received a Clear and Present Danger report in September 2019 about Crimo.

    The report was in connection to a threat he allegedly made against his family. No one, including members of his family, was willing to move forward on a complaint, ISP said.

    No arrests were made at that time.

    At the time of the incident, Crimo did not have a FOID card to revoke, and did not have a pending FOID application to deny, police said.

    Then, in December 2019, at 19, Crimo applied for a FOID card and was sponsored by his father.

    At the time, ISP said there were insufficient basis to establish a clear and present danger and deny the application.
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/07/06/how-the-highland-park-suspect-got-guns-legally-despite-threats-of-violence-n60089

Two months after getting a Clear and Present Danger report on Crimo they issue him a FOID
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 06, 2022, 11:36:35 AM
He drove to Wisconsin before going back to Il

And on the heels of that info coming out

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Michael Beschloss
@BeschlossDC
Replying to @BeschlossDC
Any possibility that Highland Park person drove to Wisconsin after yesterday's atrocity in the knowledge that Kyle Rittenhouse was "acquitted of all charges" after shootings there?
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/07/06/nbc-news-presidential-historian-floats-theory-for-why-highland-park-gunman-had-been-in-wisconsin/

Words fail me.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 06, 2022, 11:57:50 AM
According to Richmond police they narrowly avoided their own 4th of July shooting. Suppose to hold a new conference at 14:00

Police received tip of planned Fourth of July mass shooting in Richmond, multiple arrests made
https://www.nbc12.com/2022/07/06/police-received-tip-planned-fourth-july-mass-shooting-richmond-multiple-arrests-made/
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 06, 2022, 01:12:18 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/highland-park-shooting-suspect-contemplated-carrying-out-another-attack-in-madison-wisconsin-authorities-say/ar-AAZgZmz

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Covelli said that the suspect considered carrying out a second attack at a "celebration" in Madison but chose to turn around and drive back to the Chicago suburbs instead because he hadn't fully planned an attack.

Covelli said the suspect had planned to use one of the firearms still in his car, including a Kel Tec Sub 200[sic], a Remington 700, a shotgun, and a Glock.

No confirmation on the type of firearm used in the Highland Park murder spree.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 06, 2022, 01:23:40 PM
Lord help us
https://twitter.com/JakeSheridan_/status/1544479335008051200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1544479335008051200%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Ffoundersgirl-313133%2F2022%2F07%2F06%2Fkamala-harris-seriously-bumbles-through-another-seriously-redundant-press-conference-seriously%2F

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Clown world.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 06, 2022, 01:31:36 PM
Clown world.

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Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 06, 2022, 02:30:06 PM
According to Richmond police they narrowly avoided their own 4th of July shooting. Suppose to hold a new conference at 14:00

Police received tip of planned Fourth of July mass shooting in Richmond, multiple arrests made
https://www.nbc12.com/2022/07/06/police-received-tip-planned-fourth-july-mass-shooting-richmond-multiple-arrests-made/

They updated the story

Two "non-citizens" were arrested after a tip for plotting a 4th of July mass shooting at Dogwood Dell.(not sure where or what that is) A-Riles and ammo were seized.

No much else so far.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 06, 2022, 02:50:07 PM
M&P 15

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Crimo used a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 which he bought in 2020, firing 83 rounds in total
Quote
He contemplated a second shooting in Wisconsin at a different parade because he had 60 rounds left 

How they traced the shooting to him so fast
Quote
Police used the serial number on that gun to find Crimo and his family

And perhaps an explanation of the number 47.
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Police do not yet know exactly what his motive for the killing spree was but on Wednesday they confirmed his fixation on the numbers 47 - the inverse of 7/4, the date of July 4th.
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10987379/Lawyer-Highland-Park-shooters-parents-claims-no-red-flags.html
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 06, 2022, 02:59:57 PM
Family is saying there were no police calls to the house

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Meanwhile, his parents' attorney has spoken out in their defense to insist there were 'no red flags' for them to report to police.

Quote
On Tuesday night, he appeared on NewsNation to insist his clients Bob Crimo and Denise Pesina have done nothing wrong, and to deny claims by police that they were called to the family house twice in 2019.

Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 06, 2022, 03:10:27 PM
NY Post reports the firearm used in Highland Park is a Smith & Wesson M&P15:

https://nypost.com/2022/07/06/highland-park-suspect-robert-crimo-bought-rifle-online-report/
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 06, 2022, 11:03:23 PM
NY Post reports the firearm used in Highland Park is a Smith & Wesson M&P15:

https://nypost.com/2022/07/06/highland-park-suspect-robert-crimo-bought-rifle-online-report/

Isn't that the model Rittenhouse used?

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Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: HeroHog on July 06, 2022, 11:17:52 PM
Reports I saw said a SUB2000 KelTek!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G80JPDX8q_E
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 07, 2022, 12:12:12 AM
M&P 15 used for the shooting
A Sub 2000 was found in the car
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Ben on July 07, 2022, 07:55:33 AM
And the media continues to make it sound like Amazon delivers guns to your door with the "bought online" bullshit. Even when they, well down in the story, mention that it was "picked up" at a brick and mortar, they never make it clear that a background check was done. Plus these days most people only read the headlines.

The NY Post is not even one of the far left papers, and they did it too.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 07, 2022, 09:57:10 AM
And the media continues to make it sound like Amazon delivers guns to your door with the "bought online" bullshit. Even when they, well down in the story, mention that it was "picked up" at a brick and mortar, they never make it clear that a background check was done. Plus these days most people only read the headlines.

The NY Post is not even one of the far left papers, and they did it too.

Waiting for a Prime Drone to deliver my full auto Barret 50bmg with a shoulder thing that goes up and 15,000 rds of ammo. I think I hear it now.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 07, 2022, 10:12:31 AM
They were blown up

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A local doctor who rushed into the carnage described the shooting victims as being 'blown up' by the attacker's high-powered weapon.
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'The people who were gone were blown up by that gunfire,' Baum said. 'The horrific scene of some of those bodies is unspeakable for the average person.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10989893/Dad-Highland-Park-gunman-says-son-talked-mass-shooting-night-massacre.html
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on July 07, 2022, 10:31:33 AM
Reports I saw said a SUB2000 KelTek!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G80JPDX8q_E

Okay, made the mistake of actually trying to watch that and oh boy  [tinfoil]

Like me he though the sound of the gun firing sounded off for an AR but I left the door open to that being due to the audio quality of most cell phone recordings. I even speculation it could have been something like a S2000 at the time since they're so easy to hide.

A S2000 was found but in the car after he was stopped.
A M&P15 was found at the scene of the shooting behind a building wrapped in a blanket and they reportedly traced the S/N to him which would explain how they named him as a suspect so fast

Now unless someone produces evidence the spent shell casings are pistol cal I have no reason to doubt he used the M&P15 at this point.

 
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: HeroHog on July 07, 2022, 01:03:36 PM
Yeah, he issued a correction.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on September 29, 2022, 10:23:32 AM
S&W being sued

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Plaintiff Liz] Turnipseed argues that Smith & Wesson ads mimic the shooter’s-eye view popularized by video games, use misleading imagery of apparent military or law enforcement personnel and emphasize the M&P 15′s combat features — all with a dangerous appeal to “impulsive young men with hero complexes and/or militaristic delusions.”

Advertising text also billed the rifle as “capable of handling as many rounds as you are” and providing “pure adrenaline.” One ad shows the M&P 15 on a dark background above the phrase “kick brass” in a bold red font and capital letters.

“The advertisements and marketing tactics described above demonstrate that Smith & Wesson knowingly marketed, advertised, and promoted the Rifle to civilians for illegal purposes, including to carry out offensive, military style combat missions against their perceived enemies,” her attorneys argue.

Can we start blaming car deaths on ads?

Smith & Wesson sued over advertising by Highland Park victims
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/09/29/smith-wesson-sued-over-advertising-by-highland-park-victims-n62793
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: MechAg94 on September 29, 2022, 12:18:33 PM
S&W being sued

Can we start blaming car deaths on ads?

Smith & Wesson sued over advertising by Highland Park victims
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/09/29/smith-wesson-sued-over-advertising-by-highland-park-victims-n62793
If they succeed with these lawsuits, I am sure it will come around.  I think judges are more likely throw out those cases as there is less political stigma against cars.  With the push for zero emissions, I can see that changing.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: Devonai on September 30, 2022, 05:43:41 AM
Emboldened by the Connecticut lawsuit, for sure.
Title: Re: 4th of July parade shooting
Post by: WLJ on December 11, 2023, 05:02:42 PM
Guess what's back in the news
And would you describe his hair style as rather feminine in the photos?

Highland Park mass shooting suspect Robert Crimo III plans to defend HIMSELF during his 2024 trial for massacring seven people and injuring 50 more during Fourth of July parade
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12851373/Highland-Park-Robert-Crime-III-Illinois-murder-shooting.html