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Title: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on July 07, 2022, 11:31:13 PM
Reportedly shot in the back while giving a speech. Reported inured.
Not something you see very often in Japan.

Developing story

Japan ex-PM Abe injured after reported gunshot attack
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-62089486
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on July 07, 2022, 11:49:25 PM
"Photo of the suspect that shot Japanese former PM Shinzo Abe. The weapon looks like a custom sawed-off shotgun."
https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1545249495398719488/photo/1
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on July 07, 2022, 11:58:52 PM
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Ex-Tokyo governor Yoichi Masuzoe said in a tweet that Mr Abe was in a state of cardiopulmonary arrest.

The term is often used before a death is officially confirmed in Japan.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on July 08, 2022, 12:06:49 AM
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Second video shows the attempted assassination of former Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1545255739345850368(http://)
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: BobR on July 08, 2022, 01:16:38 AM
"Photo of the suspect that shot Japanese former PM Shinzo Abe. The weapon looks like a custom sawed-off shotgun."
https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1545249495398719488/photo/1

Homemade, custom, same thing.

bob
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: 230RN on July 08, 2022, 04:49:36 AM
Hard to tell what it is.

Home made, "ghost" gun, whatever.  Wouldn't it be an ideal time to set up some addled dude to attempt a killing with a home made gun?

Yeah, I know, Japan, 6k miles away, but something like this would sure fit into the current PTB goals here in the US, and news is instantly world-wide nowadays.  It could have happened the next town over.

Jes' spitballin', skylarkin'.

Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: Phyphor on July 08, 2022, 06:12:22 AM
He has died.

Wonder what's going to happen next?
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: K Frame on July 08, 2022, 06:32:32 AM
Just goes to show that we need MORE gun control, confiscation, and anti-Trump measures here in the United States!
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: Bogie on July 08, 2022, 07:12:48 AM
Just what did he do to piss folks off that much?
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on July 08, 2022, 08:00:39 AM
Looks like a couple of pipes taped together to a board.
Would like to see how he rigged up the trigger and firing mech. Wonder if the Japanese will keep details of the gun under wraps to limit letting people know how to make their own.
Appears to be RC batteries underneath in the 2nd photo

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/FXHgSEjUcAAjny4(1).jpg)



(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/To-kill-Shinzo-Abe-the-attacker-made-a-3-D-printed.webp)
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: Ben on July 08, 2022, 08:02:09 AM
RIP. He seemed like one of the more decent world leaders.

So the shooter allegedly made the shotgun. I'm wondering where he got the ammo components?

I see most everyone in the world has sent condolences at this time except for Biden and Harris.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: Bogie on July 08, 2022, 08:11:06 AM
Propellant is easy. Lighting it off was the hard part.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on July 08, 2022, 08:12:03 AM
Propellant is easy. Lighting it off was the hard part.

Making black powder is easy.
As far as lighting off note the batteries and wires in the 2nd  photo above
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: Ben on July 08, 2022, 08:17:40 AM
Do we know it was black powder? Black powder is easy in the US. I don't know how easy it is to acquire the chemicals in Japan. Also the ignition source.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on July 08, 2022, 08:22:18 AM
Do we know it was black powder? Black powder is easy in the US. I don't know how easy it is to acquire the chemicals in Japan. Also the ignition source.

I was just saying black powder is easy not that it was black powder and I haven't heard anything official but from the smoke in the videos I would say black powder and given how restrictive Japan is in regards to firearms likely.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: RocketMan on July 08, 2022, 08:22:33 AM
Do we know it was black powder? Black powder is easy in the US. I don't know how easy it is to acquire the chemicals in Japan. Also the ignition source.

An RC car battery is visible under the makeshift shotgun.  An electrical igniter isn't all that difficult to fashion from various types of readily available wire with more resistance than copper.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on July 08, 2022, 08:28:15 AM
RIP. He seemed like one of the more decent world leaders.

So the shooter allegedly made the shotgun. I'm wondering where he got the ammo components?

I see most everyone in the world has sent condolences at this time except for Biden and Harris.


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Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: HankB on July 08, 2022, 08:31:28 AM
From the pictures, don't be surprised if duct tape is going to be restricted as a firearm precursor component . . .
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 08, 2022, 08:57:20 AM
Who shoots a former world leader? Makes one wonder what he was up to in retirement.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: HankB on July 08, 2022, 09:00:20 AM
Who shoots a former world leader? Makes one wonder what he was up to in retirement.
You can't lead a big nation without pissing SOME people off - that's why former US Presidents get lifetime Secret Service protection. And they should.

I wonder how long the shooter is going to stay in a Japanese prison - what little I know about Jap prisons says they're highly regimented and not pleasant.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on July 08, 2022, 09:03:48 AM
Who shoots a former world leader? Makes one wonder what he was up to in retirement.

According to a short article on BBCNews the shooter had some sort of grudge against a "specific organisation" that he "believed" Abe was a member of

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-62088876?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=62c825679db6d5693fa589ce%26Shooter%20had%20grudge%20against%20%27specific%20organisation%27%20-%20police%262022-07-08T12%3A41%3A33.159Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:90853d0e-fa45-4d22-a71a-fa7ede3523b9&pinned_post_asset_id=62c825679db6d5693fa589ce&pinned_post_type=share
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on July 08, 2022, 09:05:55 AM
Also being reported several "handmade" weapons found at his home.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: Fly320s on July 08, 2022, 09:06:09 AM
Do we know it was black powder? Black powder is easy in the US. I don't know how easy it is to acquire the chemicals in Japan. Also the ignition source.

Fireworks.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on July 08, 2022, 09:10:40 AM
Fireworks.

IIRC the Boston bombers use the powder from fireworks.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: MillCreek on July 08, 2022, 09:13:49 AM
I wonder how long the shooter is going to stay in a Japanese prison - what little I know about Jap prisons says they're highly regimented and not pleasant.

I wonder if the assailant will get the death penalty.  I saw a documentary on how Japan does executions.  It is by hanging, and the condemned is not told of the execution date until the morning of the day and the family is not told until after it is done.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: K Frame on July 08, 2022, 09:15:52 AM
"I wonder how long the shooter is going to stay in a Japanese prison - what little I know about Jap prisons says they're highly regimented and not pleasant."

Japan still has the death penalty.

My guess is that this guy is going to have a pretty quick appointment with the rope.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: sumpnz on July 08, 2022, 09:16:53 AM
Who shoots a former world leader? Makes one wonder what he was up to in retirement.

He was campaigning for another office.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on July 08, 2022, 09:17:06 AM
Someone finally woke up Joe B
Of course he makes a "gun violence" reference which means we need more gun control.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-62088876?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=62c82c07c5f5c122c9fc2177%26Gun%20violence%20always%20leaves%20a%20deep%20scar%20-%20Biden%262022-07-08T13%3A09%3A10.957Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:5add6f72-29f2-49a5-9f2f-fa2a312a8a6b&pinned_post_asset_id=62c82c07c5f5c122c9fc2177&pinned_post_type=share
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: sumpnz on July 08, 2022, 09:18:43 AM
"I wonder how long the shooter is going to stay in a Japanese prison - what little I know about Jap prisons says they're highly regimented and not pleasant."

Japan still has the death penalty.

My guess is that this guy is going to have a pretty quick appointment with the rope.

I don’t think they worry overmuch about preventing suicide.  The guy that ran through a politician with a sword in 1960 hanged him self.  They likely see that as a preferable outcome.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: Ben on July 08, 2022, 09:57:48 AM
IIRC, Japan is on the "guilty unless proven innocent" train, and their trials are pretty swift.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: Lennyjoe on July 08, 2022, 10:12:21 AM
Public execution with a sword perhaps? 
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on July 08, 2022, 10:13:36 AM
Public execution with a sword perhaps?

Hanging is their preferred method nowadays
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: Lennyjoe on July 08, 2022, 10:15:04 AM
Hanging is their preferred method nowadays
No fun….
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: MillCreek on July 08, 2022, 10:22:03 AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/inside-harrowing-death-row-jails-22071630
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: Ben on July 08, 2022, 10:29:24 AM
Abe was one of them right wingers, so it's okay that he died.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/07/08/cbs-mornings-works-hard-for-that-enemy-of-the-people-title-with-their-coverage-of-shinzo-abes-assassination/
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on July 08, 2022, 10:38:39 AM
No fun….

Depends on who's doing it.

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The trap door was small, causing head injuries to Keitel and several other condemned men as they dropped.[53] Many of the executed Nazis fell from the gallows with insufficient force to snap their necks, resulting in convulsions that in Keitel's case lasted 24 minutes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Keitel

His hanging was performed by John C. Woods who became famous for apparently having zero clue on how to a perform a hanging other than knowing  a rope was somehow involved. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Woods
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: K Frame on July 08, 2022, 10:40:18 AM
Public execution with a sword perhaps? 

Pretty sure beheading was dropped as an execution method in the aftermath of World War II.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on July 08, 2022, 10:45:11 AM
Abe was one of them right wingers, so it's okay that he died.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/07/08/cbs-mornings-works-hard-for-that-enemy-of-the-people-title-with-their-coverage-of-shinzo-abes-assassination/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXJTsjiXEAEppyL?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on July 08, 2022, 10:59:26 AM
Video towards the top.
You can see him turn to look behind him after the first shot right before the 2nd
Clearest video I have yet to see of the incident. all the other show almost nothing but an extreme close up of his head.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10994501/Shinzo-Abe-dead-Japans-former-prime-minister-dies-shot.html
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on July 08, 2022, 11:13:04 AM
Abe was one of them right wingers, so it's okay that he died.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/07/08/cbs-mornings-works-hard-for-that-enemy-of-the-people-title-with-their-coverage-of-shinzo-abes-assassination/

Friends with Orange Man
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on July 08, 2022, 12:41:45 PM
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Hospital press conference

    A doctor revealed Abe bled out after medical staff spent more than four hours trying to save his life

    Two wounds were found towards the front of Abe's neck on the right side, the doctor said, with one deep enough that it reached his heart
    There was also damage to Abe's shoulder but no bullets were found during surgery
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The suspect

    The shooter, quickly identified as unemployed Tetsuya Yamagami, was arrested on suspicion of attempted murder
    Police later said that the 41-year-old admitted to having an issue with an "specific organisation", which he believed Abe to be a part of
    Investigations are ongoing to ascertain if Yamagami acted alone

Police press conference

    Police said their investigation had a dedicated 90-person taskforce
    Yamagami admitted to shooting Abe with a homemade gun, they said, but wouldn't confirm whether a 3D printer was used to make it
    He travelled to Nara by train, but police could not say when he arrived
    As well as guns, explosives were found in Yamagami's home, prompting police to evacuate the area until it was declared safe
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-62088876
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: JTHunter on July 08, 2022, 01:01:14 PM
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1545255739345850368(http://)

Considering the cloud of grayish-white smoke when that gun was fired, it may have used black powder.  As far as igniters, the electrically-powered ones they use for model rockets should work well for that use.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: RocketMan on July 08, 2022, 01:38:50 PM
Considering the cloud of grayish-white smoke when that gun was fired, it may have used black powder.  As far as igniters, the electrically-powered ones they use for model rockets should work well for that use.

As recently as 2000, to the best of my knowledge, model rockets were not allowed in Japan.  My Japanese boss' son went nuts over the rocketry hobby here in the USA when I introduced him to it.  My boss told me that they could not fly model rockets in Japan.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: K Frame on July 08, 2022, 01:42:28 PM
You can set off black powder with a twist of 0000 steel wool wired into a battery.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 08, 2022, 02:43:40 PM
Abe was one of them right wingers, so it's okay that he died.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/07/08/cbs-mornings-works-hard-for-that-enemy-of-the-people-title-with-their-coverage-of-shinzo-abes-assassination/

They even managed to drag T-R-U-M-P-! into it.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 08, 2022, 03:12:28 PM
nipponese are weird
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: JTHunter on July 08, 2022, 05:09:49 PM
You can set off black powder with a twist of 0000 steel wool wired into a battery.

I've heard of that as an option for preppers as a 9V battery can be used when the steel wool is wrapped around some kind of tinder to keep the initial fire going.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on July 08, 2022, 06:56:08 PM
Herrrrrrrrre's Joe B

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    Joe Biden claims that the assassination of Former Prime Minister of Japan Shinzo Abe is "is the first use of a weapon to murder someone in in Japan." pic.twitter.com/YOHWTv90K0

    — Townhall.com (@townhallcom) July 8, 2022
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/07/08/hopelessly-lost-joe-biden-attempts-to-use-statistics-in-order-to-make-shinzo-abe-assassination-all-about-americas-history-of-violence-video/

 :facepalm:

Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on July 08, 2022, 10:12:16 PM
Made the mistake of taking a peek at the comment section for The Truth About Gun's article on this.
No shortage of booger eating morons on both sides.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: zahc on July 09, 2022, 12:53:21 AM
The sentiment in the news sources above, which try to pass Abe as a right-wing Trump counterpart, are way way off.

Japan is generally a conservative country when it comes to social order. Abe was considered one of the most progressive prime ministers in a long time, committed to pulling Japan towards globalization, which is sold as one potential solution to Japan's concerns about staying relevant in the modern world.

Abe was pro-trump because trump was anti-china. That's it; it's that simple. Japan relies on US for its security guarantee and instability in the US and pro-china sentiment makes them very nervous. That's easy and as far as tge Trump link goes.

Abe was generally progressive and globalist. He opened up to cheaper rice imports from abroad. He opened up tourism, especially for the rest of Asia. When I went to Kyoto in about 2019, the usual serene tourist spots were swarming with Chinese and Korean tourists wearing fake kimonos and taking selfies in rude spots. He also loosened immigration, or at least what's considered loosening in Japan.

Right now visas are still shut down with Covid as the excuse and I think they like it that way.

If this guy that shot him was politically motivated, it's probably more likely to be someone who disagrees with his globalists policies. I.e. someone more right wing. Not somebody who assassinated him for being too right wing.



Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: HeroHog on July 09, 2022, 01:13:15 AM
The Homemade Gun That Killed Shinzo Abe! - mark serbu

https://youtu.be/bdqufrO30mE
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 09, 2022, 01:49:58 AM
Herrrrrrrrre's Joe B
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/07/08/hopelessly-lost-joe-biden-attempts-to-use-statistics-in-order-to-make-shinzo-abe-assassination-all-about-americas-history-of-violence-video/

 :facepalm:

The world's first murder victim: Abel

Japan's first murder victim: Abe

 Coincidence?

(https://imgs.search.brave.com/h_e8CpbZeko3UNs4SS3bhLLrXXw6gMqpgpoGkGlO7S4/rs:fit:480:360:1/g:ce/aHR0cHM6Ly9pLnl0/aW1nLmNvbS92aS84/Z0ticmFWYkd5US9o/cWRlZmF1bHQuanBn)
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: Ben on July 09, 2022, 02:38:53 PM
The crackerjack unbiased team at the AP:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/07/09/aps-crack-fact-check-team-lets-us-know-shinzo-abe-did-not-recently-tweet-i-have-information-that-will-lead-to-the-arrest-of-hillary-clinton/
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: gunsmith on July 09, 2022, 06:07:43 PM
I've heard of that as an option for preppers as a 9V battery can be used when the steel wool is wrapped around some kind of tinder to keep the initial fire going.

oooh, that's cool, thanks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbwNJhJwnSs
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: gunsmith on July 09, 2022, 06:29:57 PM
Ferfal has an excellent analysis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyJCJAHEXYI
at 5:26 you see, in upper left hand side of frame, his security detail wears an old fashioned snap secured leather holster - straight out of the seventies - ridiculous for modern security, I wouldn't even use that for open carry
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: JTHunter on July 12, 2022, 03:24:35 PM
The Homemade Gun That Killed Shinzo Abe! - mark serbu

https://youtu.be/bdqufrO30mE

"Video removed by uploader."
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: MechAg94 on July 12, 2022, 04:16:11 PM
Ferfal has an excellent analysis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyJCJAHEXYI
at 5:26 you see, in upper left hand side of frame, his security detail wears an old fashioned snap secured leather holster - straight out of the seventies - ridiculous for modern security, I wouldn't even use that for open carry
I heard someone mention (may have been here) that his security detail just stood there after the first shot.  If they had either surrounded the victim or charged the shooter, they might have prevented it. 
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: Jim147 on July 12, 2022, 04:18:05 PM
They got police training in the US.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on July 25, 2022, 08:59:56 PM
A bit more info on the gun

Abe shooter test-fired guns in mountains around 10 times
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/07/24/national/abe-shooter-tested-gun/
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: sumpnz on July 27, 2022, 12:25:55 PM
AK guy replicates the pipe gun.

https://youtu.be/RaZKjAPm8bc
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on July 27, 2022, 07:58:47 PM
AK guy replicates the pipe gun.

https://youtu.be/RaZKjAPm8bc

Perhaps someone should have reminded Brandon that you're suppose to start low and work the charge up and not the other way around.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on August 04, 2022, 07:29:02 AM
The above Brandon Herrera video got taken down and him suspended.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: French G. on August 04, 2022, 07:45:57 AM
The above Brandon Herrera video got taken down and his account locked.

That’s tragic because that’s an OSHA how to do safety right vid if I ever saw one.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on August 06, 2022, 12:25:02 PM
He's back after a little "vacation"

I (Accidentally) Made The World’s Most Expensive Pipe Gun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEWoARiEofY
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: 230RN on August 06, 2022, 01:00:23 PM
Ahhh, censorship.


"If a book is worth banning, it must be worth reading."  (Asimov)

"There's something fundamentally wrong with 'community standards' if you have to force them on people."  (Terry, 230RN)
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: K Frame on August 06, 2022, 01:06:47 PM
"I remember when "A Stone For Danny Fisher" was banned in Boston, my friends and I (in New York) immediately bought copies.  Heck, it wasn't even that salacious."

But he was a Jew dating a Catholic.

That was horrific to the sensibilities of good Catholic Boston.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: 230RN on August 06, 2022, 01:29:53 PM
^ I deleted that part of the post right after posting it.

Not quite quick enough.
Title: Re: Japan ex-PM Abe shot
Post by: WLJ on September 02, 2022, 01:22:41 PM
In the Brandon Herrera shop

https://www.bunkerbranding.com/products/japanese-pipe-gun-t-shirt

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2788/8404/products/PIPECM100_1280x.jpg?v=1659457567)