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Title: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Ben on July 09, 2022, 08:43:24 AM
I was very surprised to read the comments at the video link. Responses by far were in favor of her facing the repercussions of her actions. I don't know more about her than what I have read, but she seems to be a combination of the worst elements of entitled celebrity and entitled millennial, with the real world ignorance that accompanies both.

I mean, what kind of a moron sneaks drugs into a country like Russia? She (or "he" from the sound of her voice?) claims the hash "accidently" got in her luggage.

https://youtu.be/LKTmrlI5PwE

Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: MechAg94 on July 09, 2022, 09:18:24 AM
I am generally not sympathetic to people who break the law in other countries.  Especially when what they did would be illegal in much of the US. 

At the present time, what would Biden have to do to get Putin to release her?  Would he lift sanctions from the Ukraine War to get her released?  About the only thing Biden could do to punish Russia now is to remove all the oil and gas restrictions in the US and try to reduce the world market price.  That would hurt Russia, but not quickly. 
Does the US have any Russian citizens in jail here that they would want back?


Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 09, 2022, 09:24:34 AM
I was very surprised to read the comments at the video link. Responses by far were in favor of her facing the repercussions of her actions.

Intersectionality. If she(?) were a white man, you'd be all for sending in SEAL team 6. You bigot.  =)
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Ben on July 09, 2022, 09:51:16 AM
Intersectionality. If she(?) were a white man, you'd be all for sending in SEAL team 6. You bigot.  =)

I recognize the comedy, but in all seriousness, I have zero sympathy for anyone who goes to another country completely ignorant of at least the prevalent and well-known laws. Haven't there been enough B-movies about Americans and drugs in other countries?

I'm certainly sympathetic to someone who is arrested for some obscure law abroad. Drugs aren't it. In fact I think drugs are pretty much the poster children for stuff not to be lackadaisical about abroad.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: HankB on July 09, 2022, 10:20:39 AM
Intersectionality. If she(?) were a white man, you'd be all for sending in SEAL team 6. You bigot.  =)
We have to do whatever it takes to protect our Black lesbian druggies, whether home or abroad.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: K Frame on July 09, 2022, 10:28:26 AM
Griner then: I don't think we should be playing the National Anthem before games.

Griner now: SAVE ME, UNCLE SAM! SAVE ME!
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: MechAg94 on July 09, 2022, 10:29:39 AM
Griner then: I don't think we should be playing the National Anthem before games.

Griner now: SAVE ME, UNCLE SAM! SAVE ME!
I was just about to mention that.  You said it better than I would have.   =)
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: MillCreek on July 09, 2022, 10:47:31 AM
I have read some stories suggesting that Russia will be offering to swap her for Viktor Bout, the Russian arms merchant currently in the Marion Federal Penitentiary, or some Russians being held in the US on espionage charges.  The Soviets/Russians have a long-standing tradition of capturing Westerners to use for spy swaps.

Ms. Griner is still an idiot, though.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 09, 2022, 10:49:16 AM
Let her rot.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 09, 2022, 11:17:11 AM
I'm in favor of a swap. They give her back (is she a she or a he?), and we give them Bowe Berghdal.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: MillCreek on July 09, 2022, 11:40:10 AM
I'm in favor of a swap. They give her back (is she a she or a he?), and we give them Bowe Berghdal.

I like the way you think!
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 09, 2022, 11:58:27 AM
I recognize the comedy, but in all seriousness, I have zero sympathy for anyone who goes to another country completely ignorant of at least the prevalent and well-known laws. Haven't there been enough B-movies about Americans and drugs in other countries?

I'm certainly sympathetic to someone who is arrested for some obscure law abroad. Drugs aren't it. In fact I think drugs are pretty much the poster children for stuff not to be lackadaisical about abroad.

This wasn't her first trip to Russia. She wasn't happy with earning more in the WNBA than 98% of black Americans can ever hope to earn, she was moonlighting during the WNBA off season playing for a team in Russia and being paid millions of dollars for doing so. She knew the cannabis was in her luggage and she knew it was illegal, but she assumed her star status made her immune to the laws.

I have zero sympathy.

First time I've seen her arms with all tha tats. What's the saying? "You can take the gangsta out of the 'hood, but you can't take the 'hood out of the gangsta."
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 09, 2022, 12:15:16 PM
Do we expect a drug-abuser to make reasonable, non-self-destructive decisions about drugs?
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: BobR on July 09, 2022, 12:26:23 PM
If we are going to do prisoner swaps we need to start with the ones who have been there the longest. Kind of a first in, first out policy. We may get to her eventually. She should not be considered more important than any other American citizens held in Russian prisons.
 
bob
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Ben on July 09, 2022, 01:19:35 PM
Do we expect a drug-abuser to make reasonable, non-self-destructive decisions about drugs?

I firmly believe that besides "drug abuser" she was filled with hubris that comes from celebrity and failure of the world to have knocked her down a peg before now. As mentioned above, she might be pondering her past thoughts on what a terrible place the United States is. Probably not though. In fact she'll probably find a way to blame America for her Russian arrest.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: HankB on July 09, 2022, 01:35:47 PM
I firmly believe that besides "drug abuser" she was filled with hubris that comes from celebrity and failure of the world to have knocked her down a peg before now. As mentioned above, she might be pondering her past thoughts on what a terrible place the United States is. Probably not though. In fact she'll probably find a way to blame America for her Russian arrest.
Trump's fault no doubt.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: French G. on July 09, 2022, 02:28:03 PM
Meh. She's an idiot but she's our idiot. If she was, with the same charges, labeled a veteran instead of a lesbian sportsball person then a lot of people would be wanting to get her home. Anything we can do that doesn't make us look weak, which of course rules out the current admin.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: sumpnz on July 09, 2022, 03:09:02 PM
Meh. She's an idiot but she's our idiot. If she was, with the same charges, labeled a veteran instead of a lesbian sportsball person then a lot of people would be wanting to get her home. Anything we can do that doesn't make us look weak, which of course rules out the current admin.

I don’t much care if it’s a MOH winner.  Have your own drugs in your own luggage and get busted our goobermint shouldn’t go to any special lengths to get him/her back.

If it’s a frame job that’s different.  But it doesn’t appear that Ms Griner was framed.  She was just felony stupid.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: grampster on July 09, 2022, 04:56:45 PM
"(is she a she or a he?)"

I think there is some confusion there.  Her wife calls her her wife, so they are both wife?   As for me, she/he made his/her bed, she/he can sleep in it.  I don't seem to understand why she's/he's crying to America to save her/him, as she/he doesn't seem to like America all that much.  The fact he/she plays for a women's basketball team is, nowadays it seems, not much of an indicator of her actual gender.  As the old song goes changed up a bit for the times;  "I don't want her/him, you can have her/him, she's/he's too fat tatted for me...."
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: zxcvbob on July 09, 2022, 05:07:59 PM
"(is she a she or a he?)"

I think there is some confusion there.  Her wife calls her her wife, so they are both wife?   As for me, she/he made his/her bed, she/he can sleep in it.  I don't seem to understand why she's/he's crying to America to save her/him, as she/he doesn't seem to like America all that much.  The fact he/she plays for a women's basketball team is, nowadays it seems, not much of an indicator of her actual gender.  As the old song goes changed up a bit for the times;  "I don't want her/him, you can have her/him, she's/he's too fat tatted for me...."

The Too Tat Polka!  :laugh:  Did Frankie Yankovic record that one?   :rofl:  (seriously, that's a good one)
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: RocketMan on July 09, 2022, 05:24:31 PM
I'm in favor of a swap. They give her back (is she a she or a he?), and we give them Bowe Berghdal.

How about we give the Russians Bowe Berghdal and let them keep Griner?
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Bogie on July 09, 2022, 05:25:23 PM
Uh... I'm not really all that interested in Brittney Griner's "thing."
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: sumpnz on July 09, 2022, 05:28:48 PM
"(is she a she or a he?)"

I think there is some confusion there.  Her wife calls her her wife, so they are both wife?   As for me, she/he made his/her bed, she/he can sleep in it.  I don't seem to understand why she's/he's crying to America to save her/him, as she/he doesn't seem to like America all that much.  The fact he/she plays for a women's basketball team is, nowadays it seems, not much of an indicator of her actual gender.  As the old song goes changed up a bit for the times;  "I don't want her/him, you can have her/him, she's/he's too fat tatted for me...."

Griner is a biological female.  Fairly masculine for a woman, but a woman.  “Married” to another woman. 
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: gunsmith on July 09, 2022, 05:58:18 PM
 I had never heard of her before this, I am aware that there is a women's basketball league but I am not interested.
  There is some kind of push to have this mean something, I hear a lot about it on the talk radio I listen to at work.
 It's featured on drudge often too.
   I don't wish her any harm, but I really don't care either.
 I bet there are quite a few African American lesbians that are veterans going thru hard times - why can't the media care about them?
 If I was in Russia at the same time and I wanted to leave ( which I would ) I would have traveled to some very rural border crossing into Mongolia and made dang sure I had nothing suspicious on me.
 As someone mentioned earlier, she's entitled and dumb - it was profitable for her to be that way in yesterday's world.
 I have a feeling she is now learning more about the world she lives in.  Harsh lessons to be sure, but I do not care about any sportsball stars at all, really.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: WLJ on July 09, 2022, 07:51:29 PM
This wasn't her first trip to Russia. She wasn't happy with earning more in the WNBA than 98% of black Americans can ever hope to earn, she was moonlighting during the WNBA off season playing for a team in Russia and being paid millions of dollars for doing so. She knew the cannabis was in her luggage and she knew it was illegal, but she assumed her star status made her immune to the laws.

I have zero sympathy.


This
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Bogie on July 09, 2022, 08:37:21 PM
If you don't want to be noticed, leave on Friday afternoon rush hour...
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 10, 2022, 08:50:50 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/3VNKSFCl.jpg)
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Lennyjoe on July 11, 2022, 10:10:59 AM
She shows disrespect to our nation by kneeling and sometimes not even coming out of the locker room for the Anthem.  Does bode well with most Americans.  Now she’s begging for help because of her stupid mistake so she can fend for herself.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: WLJ on July 11, 2022, 11:38:39 AM
Maybe BLM and/or Harris can bail her out.




Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: HankB on July 11, 2022, 01:48:19 PM
Maybe BLM and/or Harris can bail her out.
I think a planeload of BLM activists would be just the thing to draw attention to her plight - just think of the scene they'd make when their charter flight touched down in Moscow.

They could fly out of Denver, only coincidentally a state where recreational marijuana is legal and readily available.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 11, 2022, 02:02:58 PM
I think a planeload of BLM activists would be just the thing to draw attention to her plight - just think of the scene they'd make when their charter flight touched down in Moscow.

They could fly out of Denver, only coincidentally a state where recreational marijuana is legal and readily available.

Is there a "Go Fund Me" set up for that yet?
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: gunsmith on July 11, 2022, 11:42:30 PM
If you don't want to be noticed, leave on Friday afternoon rush hour...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: K Frame on July 12, 2022, 08:40:24 AM
This wasn't her first trip to Russia. She wasn't happy with earning more in the WNBA than 98% of black Americans can ever hope to earn, she was moonlighting during the WNBA off season playing for a team in Russia and being paid millions of dollars for doing so. She knew the cannabis was in her luggage and she knew it was illegal, but she assumed her star status made her immune to the laws.

I have zero sympathy.

First time I've seen her arms with all tha tats. What's the saying? "You can take the gangsta out of the 'hood, but you can't take the 'hood out of the gangsta."

Well the WNBA, like the NFL, is akin to slavery, don't you know.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: K Frame on July 12, 2022, 08:42:30 AM
"If she was, with the same charges, labeled a veteran instead of a lesbian sportsball person then a lot of people would be wanting to get her home."

Of course we'd want a veteran back.

As long as that veteran honorably served his/her country.

What has this individual really done?

Trashed her country while being paid millions of dollars?

*expletive deleted*ck her. She can stay in Russia and pay for her crimes, to which she has confessed.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Ben on July 12, 2022, 08:51:48 AM

Of course we'd want a veteran back.

I think what French was suggesting was that we'd want the vet back if they did the same thing she did. Perhaps "we" as a country would, but I wouldn't. I don't care if they were a door kicker in Fallujah, if they come back and start talking about what a crappy country we have* and start doing drugs, and are stupid enough to take drugs to a foreign country, they don't need any special consideration. Just like the vets who tell me that if I want an AR, I should join the military, otherwise I don't get a gun. A jackass is a jackass.


*It's everyone's right to complain about the country, but don't expect special consideration for it based on your background.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: MillCreek on July 12, 2022, 09:07:15 AM
^^^I agree with Ben.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: WLJ on July 12, 2022, 09:17:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn0WdJx-Wkw
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 12, 2022, 01:13:32 PM
In her defense, Griner is a survivor of the War on Women.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: AJ Dual on July 12, 2022, 02:21:39 PM
In her defense, Griner is a survivor of the War on Women.

Please...  ;/

Ted Kennedy has been dead for 13 years now.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: MechAg94 on July 13, 2022, 04:09:47 PM
Americans Offer To Trade LeBron To Russia For Brittney Griner
https://babylonbee.com/news/americans-offer-to-trade-lebron-to-russia-for-brittney-griner

Quote
Upon hearing the news, LeBron immediately cried out in pain and flopped down to the ground.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 13, 2022, 04:50:01 PM
Americans Offer To Trade LeBron To Russia For Brittney Griner
https://babylonbee.com/news/americans-offer-to-trade-lebron-to-russia-for-brittney-griner

I'm pretty sure LeBron would rather go to China.

Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Brad Johnson on July 15, 2022, 11:36:30 AM
But... but... but... I have a doctor's note!

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/brittney-griner-doctors-recommendation-medical-cannabis

Yet another case of foolhardy presumption. "Hey, it's okay where I live so it has to be okay everywhere else!"

Not.

Brad
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: WLJ on July 15, 2022, 11:51:42 AM
But... but... but... I have a doctor's note!

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/brittney-griner-doctors-recommendation-medical-cannabis

Yet another case of foolhardy presumption. "Hey, it's okay where I live so it has to be okay everywhere else!"

Not.

Brad

(https://c.tenor.com/TYBZf7PJvtoAAAAd/laughing-putin.gif)
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: RocketMan on July 15, 2022, 01:20:45 PM
But... but... but... I have a doctor's note!

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/brittney-griner-doctors-recommendation-medical-cannabis

Yet another case of foolhardy presumption. "Hey, it's okay where I live so it has to be okay everywhere else!"

Not.

Brad

A post dated doctor's note, maybe?
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 15, 2022, 02:44:06 PM
Yeah, kind of odd we're just now hearing about that.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Ben on July 15, 2022, 02:47:49 PM
Yeah, kind of odd we're just now hearing about that.

Exactly. If it were real, they would have been waving that note on Day 1 to the ruskies and the US Consulate. My guess is, going with the overall theme of the thread, is that she and her handlers figured she'd be breezing through on her celebrity, race, gender, and all the other stuff that works for her in the US, so never even thought about coming up with a defense.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Ben on July 27, 2022, 05:38:45 PM
Apparently they are working on a deal for her release.

"Wrongfully detained". Says who?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmvoN3cuptQ
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: WLJ on July 27, 2022, 05:43:25 PM
Apparently they are working on a deal for her release.

"Wrongfully detained". Says who?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmvoN3cuptQ

She had diplomatic celebrity immunity.

 
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 27, 2022, 07:02:27 PM
Apparently they are working on a deal for her release.

"Wrongfully detained". Says who?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmvoN3cuptQ

I'm failing to comprehend how Griner is being "wrongfully" detained. She has admitted that she did what she was arrested for doing. How is her detention in any way "wrongful"?
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on July 27, 2022, 07:07:09 PM
Evidently now Biden wants to trade Nicholas Cage for Griner and some marine the Russians arrested on espionage charges 5 years ago.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/27/americas/viktor-bout-profile-intl/index.html

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/92/Lordofwar.jpg)
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: gunsmith on July 27, 2022, 07:21:30 PM
on the radio news today, they were saying she didn't get a Miranda warning   :facepalm:  :rofl:
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Bogie on July 28, 2022, 01:46:49 PM
So they're talking about trading some arms dealer (cue movie bad guy #1) for the pothead who couldn't quit, and... An Ex-Marine who got a bad discharge and who was doing some sort of security gig or something who got popped for spying (great catch-all charge...)...
 
Let 'em stay in the lovely Russian jails...
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Pb on July 28, 2022, 01:48:24 PM
So we release a man who sells arms to terrorists to get a famous athlete out of prison for importing drugs to Russia.

The rule of law is dead, dead, dead.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: MillCreek on August 04, 2022, 11:50:32 AM
https://people.com/sports/brittney-griner-sentenced-to-9-years-in-russian-prison/

A guilty verdict and a nine year sentence for Ms. Griner.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: sumpnz on August 04, 2022, 12:25:03 PM
https://people.com/sports/brittney-griner-sentenced-to-9-years-in-russian-prison/

A guilty verdict and a nine year sentence for Ms. Griner.

I’m sure she will take it like a man.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: WLJ on August 04, 2022, 12:27:10 PM
Could trade Hunter
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 04, 2022, 12:35:23 PM
Could trade Hunter

The Russians aren't that stupid.

Besides, they probably own him already.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: K Frame on August 04, 2022, 12:58:16 PM
She pleaded guilty?

Let her serve her time, then.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: MillCreek on August 04, 2022, 01:28:02 PM
One potential sticky wicket for a prisoner swap:  for years, the Soviets and then the Russians have wanted Aldritch Ames released to Russia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldrich_Ames). Mr. Ames, a CIA officer working for the KGB caused more deaths of Soviet agents working for the CIA until Robert Hanssen came along.  The Feds have consistently said they will not give up Mr. Ames.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 04, 2022, 08:47:24 PM
She pleaded guilty?

Let her serve her time, then.

She was also convicted (in Russia, there's a trial even if the defendant pleads guilty), and she has been sentenced to nine years in prison.

That would effectively end her WNBA career. She's 31 now, so she'd be 40 when she gets out.

I don't buy her "confession." She admits she had cannabis oil and paraphernalia in her luggage, but she claims it was a mistake and that she knew it was illegal and she didn't intend to break any Russian laws. IMHO, she knew perfectly well it was in her luggage, because she put it there -- and she knew it was illegal but she assumed that because of her celebrity status she was immune to the laws.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 04, 2022, 09:05:30 PM
On the bright side ...

https://babylonbee.com/news/brittney-griner-rewarded-with-9-years-of-not-hearing-the-us-national-anthem

Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Bogie on August 04, 2022, 11:44:10 PM
She was making pretty good money, right? Why didn't she have her adams apple shaved down? I understand that that is not a difficult surgery...
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Andiron on August 05, 2022, 12:05:18 AM
The schadenfreude on this one makes me smile.  She's awful, and awful things happening to her make me happy.

See you in a decade or so,  retard.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Ron on August 05, 2022, 05:04:13 PM
My hope is the Russians will us as an alarm every morning the American National Anthem.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: sumpnz on August 05, 2022, 05:07:32 PM
My hope is the Russians will us as an alarm every morning the American National Anthem.

That will just be when the guard wants a blow job.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Ben on August 05, 2022, 05:27:46 PM
Interestingly, I'm seeing some conservatives come out in favor of a prisoner swap, claiming that the ruskies gave her a harsh sentence as leverage for getting their people back. Stuart Varney did a whole spiel on Fox Business this morning.

I'm willing to concede that the sentence may be harsher than normally called for there (but maybe not), but there wouldn't be a sentence if she didn't bring drugs into freakin' RUSSIA.

Varney ended his spiel saying "Who would travel to Russia? Don't travel to Russia!" I would simply say, don't travel to Russia (or any foreign country) with illegal drugs. Or with an IQ of 74.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: WLJ on August 05, 2022, 06:00:55 PM
Interestingly, I'm seeing some conservatives come out in favor of a prisoner swap, claiming that the ruskies gave her a harsh sentence as leverage for getting their people back. Stuart Varney did a whole spiel on Fox Business this morning.

I'm willing to concede that the sentence may be harsher than normally called for there (but maybe not), but there wouldn't be a sentence if she didn't bring drugs into freakin' RUSSIA.

Varney ended his spiel saying "Who would travel to Russia? Don't travel to Russia!" I would simply say, don't travel to Russia (or any foreign country) with illegal drugs. Or with an IQ of 74.

She's lucky it's wasn't a ME country or many E. Asian ones.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Jim147 on August 05, 2022, 06:34:49 PM
Look, she's flying.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Andiron on August 05, 2022, 07:45:16 PM
Interestingly, I'm seeing some conservatives come out in favor of a prisoner swap, claiming that the ruskies gave her a harsh sentence as leverage for getting their people back. Stuart Varney did a whole spiel on Fox Business this morning.

I'm willing to concede that the sentence may be harsher than normally called for there (but maybe not), but there wouldn't be a sentence if she didn't bring drugs into freakin' RUSSIA.

Varney ended his spiel saying "Who would travel to Russia? Don't travel to Russia!" I would simply say, don't travel to Russia (or any foreign country) with illegal drugs. Or with an IQ of 74.

When the " I'm famous and have a Race Card to play"  runs into reality.  She'd been told she can do whatever she wants, all the time for so long she's shocked when the rest of the world treats her as she deserves.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Boomhauer on August 06, 2022, 08:09:55 AM
One potential sticky wicket for a prisoner swap:  for years, the Soviets and then the Russians have wanted Aldritch Ames released to Russia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldrich_Ames). Mr. Ames, a CIA officer working for the KGB caused more deaths of Soviet agents working for the CIA until Robert Hanssen came along.  The Feds have consistently said they will not give up Mr. Ames.

The feds may have said that but theirs a certain Alzheimer’s patient that will sign anything out in front of him much like Ron Burgundy will say anything you put on a teleprompter and his administration is full of Good Little Communists.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: WLJ on August 12, 2022, 01:50:37 PM
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/FB_IMG_1660115414112.jpg)
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: WLJ on November 18, 2022, 02:13:26 PM
Talk of a  prisoner swap again.
So we're going to trade this guy for someone who hates the country that gave her everything and got herself in the spot she's in?
I say fry him and let her rot.

Viktor Bout: Russia hopeful for arms dealer prisoner swap with US
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63675119
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Ben on November 18, 2022, 02:23:55 PM
I saw a week or so ago that she was sent to a penal colony. Likely to put pressure on the US for this swap, since I'm sure the Biden admin is getting swamped by lefty groups at this point to get her back.

Edit: Meant to say "was sent" not "wasn't sent". Sometimes my brain doesn't work right.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: MillCreek on November 18, 2022, 04:49:49 PM
She was sent to a penal colony this week:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/europe/brittney-griner-russia-prison-colony
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: HankB on November 18, 2022, 04:59:49 PM
If she came back, could she even continue to PLAY professional sports?

Aren't there drug tests involved in women's sports?

I can't help but think about how they went after Lance Armstrong, Roger Clemens, and others even after they'd stopped competing professionally. IIRC, Clemens - a baseball player, a mere entertainer - was actually called up to testify before a congressional committee.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Ben on December 08, 2022, 08:23:46 AM
Well, they traded her for the arms dealer:

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/brittney-griner-released-russian-prison-swap-convicted-arms-dealer

I'm sure that now she'll make a few million on a movie and book deal.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: WLJ on December 08, 2022, 08:43:46 AM
Bet Oprah already has her booked for a show where we can hear her cry all about it.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: WLJ on December 08, 2022, 10:33:02 AM
Sure it'll all be America's and Trump's fault she was in prison
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: grampster on December 08, 2022, 10:37:38 AM
In a way her release is a shame.  Are there not other Americans held in Russia?  What about them?  Griner is an embarrassment to America.  She has displayed and spoken that she dislikes her country and an arrogant, self absorbed person who carried a prohibited substance into Russia.  Why not get the releases of other American captives who have done nothing to shame our country first and Griner last.  I have nothing personally against Griner as she is free to speak and act her mind in our America...but to prioritize her over others is shameful virtue signaling.  Just my 2cents.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 08, 2022, 10:38:49 AM
In a way her release is a shame.  Are there not other Americans held in Russia? 

Paul Whelan, for one.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Boomhauer on December 08, 2022, 10:39:18 AM
In a way her release is a shame.  Are there not other Americans held in Russia?  What about them?  Griner is an embarrassment to America.  She has displayed and spoken that she dislikes her country and an arrogant, self absorbed person who carried a prohibited substance into Russia.  Why not get the releases of other American captives who have done nothing to shame our country first and Griner last.  I have nothing personally against Griner as she is free to speak and act her mind in our America...but to prioritize her over others is shameful virtue signaling.  Just my 2cents.

The very reasons we all hate her is why Biden got her sprung.

She’s a far left black lesbian athlete who hates the US. She checks ALL of the boxes for diversity and worship for the left.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: dogmush on December 08, 2022, 10:44:23 AM
I have already noticed the talking heads have shifted to her being arrested for "suspicion of"  or "alleged" drug smuggling.  Blame is already being diverted from her to the evil, nazi, fascist, horrible Russians.  We're just going to ignore the fact that she did, in fact, try to smuggle drugs into Russia.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: HankB on December 08, 2022, 10:44:40 AM
The very reasons we all hate her is why Biden got her sprung.

She’s a far left black lesbian athlete who hates the US. She checks ALL of the boxes for diversity and worship for the left.
Exactly. But don't forget she's also a druggie, which is probably a bonus box to check on Biden's diversity checklist.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Ben on December 08, 2022, 11:00:17 AM
Paul Whelan, for one.

And this trade severely kiboshed his release. He is being held as a spy. Bout should have been his trade. Knight for knight. Trading Bout for Griner is like trading your queen for a pawn.

I don't think we have any other "big names" handy to use for Whelan, who actually broke no Russian laws. I heard Biden's speech on this earlier today. He pretty much insinuated she was innocent and pure as the fresh driven snow (is that racist?) and had committed no crimes.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 08, 2022, 11:10:10 AM
In a way her release is a shame.  Are there not other Americans held in Russia?  What about them?  Griner is an embarrassment to America.  She has displayed and spoken that she dislikes her country and an arrogant, self absorbed person who carried a prohibited substance into Russia.  Why not get the releases of other American captives who have done nothing to shame our country first and Griner last.  I have nothing personally against Griner as she is free to speak and act her mind in our America...but to prioritize her over others is shameful virtue signaling.  Just my 2cents.

I suspect you're preaching to the choir, bro.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/wnba-star-brittney-griner-released-from-russian-custody-in-a-high-profile-prisoner-swap-between-the-us-and-moscow/ar-AA152Z5I

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President Joe Biden signed off on the trade, which took place in the United Arab Emirates, even though it meant leaving behind Paul Whelan, an American corporate security executive who remains jailed in Russia.

Whelan should have been first, for sure.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Ben on December 08, 2022, 11:14:34 AM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/wnba-star-brittney-griner-released-from-russian-custody-in-a-high-profile-prisoner-swap-between-the-us-and-moscow/ar-AA152Z5I


The first time in the history of the world that anyone associated with the WNBA has been called "high profile".
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Ben on December 08, 2022, 12:29:21 PM
Biden's next stop after his Griner speech announcing the release of an arms dealer was a gun violence love in.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/12/08/heres-what-biden-did-after-releasing-an-arms-dealer-to-secure-brittney-griners-return/
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: HankB on December 08, 2022, 01:03:59 PM
Whelan should have been first, for sure.
You mean the ex-marine who was booted out of the USMC with a bad conduct discharge?
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 08, 2022, 01:27:18 PM
You mean the ex-marine who was booted out of the USMC with a bad conduct discharge?

Still a better candidate for prisoner swap than Griner.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: HankB on December 08, 2022, 02:44:44 PM
Still a better candidate for prisoner swap than Griner.
Instead of the arms dealer, I would've offered Chelsea Manning or Bowe Bergdahl for Whelan and left Griner on the table.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 08, 2022, 04:48:46 PM
Trivia note: Viktor Bout was the inspiration for the protagonist in Lord of War.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: gunsmith on December 08, 2022, 05:08:54 PM
Trivia note: Viktor Bout was the inspiration for the protagonist in Lord of War.

 I was wondering if that's the same guy-I bet he's LOL ing how this worked out
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Pb on December 08, 2022, 08:44:22 PM
If Viktor Bout has been executed years ago this would be a  non-issue. 

Clown world.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Andiron on December 08, 2022, 10:58:11 PM
If Viktor Bout has been executed years ago this would be a  non-issue. 

Clown world.

Guy should be laughing his ass off.  He won.  All because of some dumb *expletive deleted*ing WNBA deviant.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: cordex on December 09, 2022, 09:27:31 AM
The very reasons we all hate her is why Biden got her sprung.

She’s a far left black lesbian athlete who hates the US. She checks ALL of the boxes for diversity and worship for the left.
I think I know what you're trying to say, but if taken literally the implication here seems to be that you hate her in part for her race and sexual orientation.

As for myself, I don't hate her.  Mild distaste is as far as my emotions toward her go. 
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Pb on December 09, 2022, 09:44:25 AM
Guy should be laughing his ass off.  He won.  All because of some dumb *expletive deleted*ing WNBA deviant.

I was reminded of this scene in Lord of War...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTK8torOylM
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Ben on December 09, 2022, 09:47:36 AM
I think I know what you're trying to say, but if taken literally the implication here seems to be that you hate her in part for her race and sexual orientation.

As for myself, I don't hate her.  Mild distaste is as far as my emotions toward her go.

I won't speak for what I think Boomhauer is saying, but for myself, I don't hate her for being black - you don't hate someone for their skin color. I don't hate her for being gay. She's an adult, and she can do things that I don't approve of (with the usual "not hurting anyone" caveats).

I do perhaps dislike rather than hate that she is a stupid moron, or perhaps arrogant, or efficiently, a combination of arrogant and stupid. So stupid and arrogant that she travels to Russia with drugs on her. So stupid and arrogant the she is a "kneeler" and hates the country that just rescued her.

I do hate the people and culture that made "black and gay and woman" a special class of citizen that we all know made her a priority for the exchange. If she were a white hetero male, not only would she still be in a ruskie pokie, but most likely none of us would even know about it.

For the future, I will be interested to see if she continues to kneel and hate the country that came to her rescue at great cost now, and perhaps more in the future if good old Vik goes back in business. I will also be interested to see if, as a "high profile celebrity", she speaks publicly about helping the forgotten others still being held.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: cordex on December 09, 2022, 10:12:21 AM
I won't speak for what I think Boomhauer is saying, but for myself, I don't hate her for being black - you don't hate someone for their skin color. I don't hate her for being gay. She's an adult, and she can do things that I don't approve of (with the usual "not hurting anyone" caveats).
Agreed, but on the flip side, bigots like Democrats do care an awful lot about the color of people's skin and their sexual orientation.

I agree with Boomhauer that she was released largely because of her race, gender, sexual orientation, and political leaning.  Only one of those impacts my feelings toward her. 

Of course, while not entirely deterministic, race, gender, and sexual orientation do certainly have a significant relationship with political leanings in the US.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 09, 2022, 11:46:46 AM
 [tinfoil]

I wonder if this was the Russians' game plan all along: arrest some semi-famous American and wait for Biden to offer a trade.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: sumpnz on December 09, 2022, 11:48:45 AM
[tinfoil]

I wonder if this was the Russians' game plan all along: arrest some semi-famous American and wait for Biden to offer a trade.


Probably.  He just got lucky that it was someone both profoundly stupid and also checked all the intersectionality boxes.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: WLJ on December 09, 2022, 12:35:39 PM
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Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 09, 2022, 01:12:28 PM
^^  :rofl:
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 09, 2022, 01:16:58 PM
I agree with Boomhauer that she was released largely because of her race, gender, sexual orientation, and political leaning.  Only one of those impacts my feelings toward her.

You left out celebrity. Even if she checked all those other boxes, I have to wonder if Biden & Co. would have been so hot to bring her home if she were, for example, a burger slinger at McDonald's or a sandwich artist at Subway.
Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Angel Eyes on December 09, 2022, 01:23:21 PM
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Title: Re: The Brittney Griner Thing
Post by: Ben on December 09, 2022, 03:22:07 PM
This could be interesting:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/12/09/karine-jean-pierres-insistence-that-it-was-either-brittney-griner-or-no-one-doesnt-pass-smell-test/

NBC originally reported that the US was offered a deal of Griner OR Whelan. That was edited by them to make it Griner only. It's the MSM, so of course you can't really trust NBC. Nevertheless, common sense would dictate that we came in with the offer of Griner AND Whelan for the big fish, with Russia counteroffering one for one instead of one for two.

We may never know, and it may make no difference to the public, but I sure would like to know.