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Title: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Brad Johnson on July 28, 2022, 03:36:31 PM
Illegal immigrants there? Not a problem. Illegal immigrants here? BIG PROBLEM!!

Illegal immigrants flooding into southern border states and bringing a wave of crime with them doesn't seem to be an issue. However, bus them to DC and it's suddenly so bad you need to call out the National Guard.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dc-mayor-bowser-asks-national-guard-help-migrant-busses-southern-border-humanitarian-crisis

Effing hypocrits.  :mad:

Brad
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on July 28, 2022, 05:16:55 PM
Yeah DC has a population of over 700K, gets around 4000 illegals, and it's a disaster. Meanwhile all those Southern border towns with 20K-50K populations are getting thousands of immigrants each and, "Why are those white supremacists complaining?!?"
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: HankB on July 28, 2022, 05:55:34 PM
A couple of years ago when there was a big outflux from North Africa to Europe, the German government was assigning illegals to various German towns. One small town in, IIRC, Bavaria was assigned a LOT of them, and the German government wanted to know all kinds of stuff - how many hotel rooms were available, even how many PRIVATE homes had an extra room.

The little town's leaders didn't respond. The first trainload of illegals showed up late at night to a train station that was all closed up - and it was cold. The bureaucrats riding along were upset. Little town kept ignoring them and IIRC, they had the German army come and set up tents, field mess kitchens, etc. for all the illegals.

Never heard a follow up of how the situation was resolved - or if it was. Maybe that little German town can teach the rest of us something about dealing with illegals.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Bogie on July 28, 2022, 11:22:27 PM
I sell a LOT of car parts to people who only speak Spanish.
 
Why is that?
 
They are WORKING. Maybe you don't want to cut your own grass or trim your own trees or asphalt your own flat roof.
 
They're doing that. And they are looking to the future.
 
Some other folks are just waiting until the next opportunity to loot happens.
 
I figure that the criminal element is pretty small, overall, and has probably centralized in much larger cities.
 
I've had a lot more problems with white tweakers than I have with the mexicans.
 
Had a guy the other night had a frickin' mobile lab in my parking lot... GTFO...
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: HankB on July 29, 2022, 07:25:20 AM
Bogie, just because people speak Spanish doesn't mean they're here illegally - an awful lot of people from south of the border have entered this country the proper way, following the rules and obeying the law.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on July 29, 2022, 07:12:22 PM

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    REPORTER: "What's the difference between Texas busing migrants to DC, and the federal government flying migrants to, say New York, in the middle of the night?"

    KJP: "It's very different, because we're not using migrants as a political pawn." pic.twitter.com/U3rABzadSK

    — Townhall.com (@townhallcom) July 29, 2022
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/07/29/karine-jean-pierre-explains-why-texas-busing-illegals-to-dc-and-the-federal-govt-flying-them-around-the-country-is-very-different/

Sure you don't
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Jim147 on July 29, 2022, 09:57:53 PM
Very (D)ifferent.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 30, 2022, 12:58:34 AM
Bogie, just because people speak Spanish doesn't mean they're here illegally - an awful lot of people from south of the border have entered this country the proper way, following the rules and obeying the law.

And a lot have NOT entered the proper way.

My church (Episcopal) has a large enough Latino component among the parishioners that there's a separate mass in Spanish every Sunday. There's a Roman Catholic church a few blocks way that has changed its name to the Spanish version, and I think its congregation is now about 90% Latino.

Nobody ever speaks about it, but the Latino assistant pastor is a friend, and from various clues he has let slip I'm pretty certain that most of out Latino parishioners are illegals.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: HankB on July 30, 2022, 09:41:31 AM
And a lot have NOT entered the proper way.
I agree with that 100%. My point was that there are Spanish speaking people that HAVE immigrated the right way - and some of those I've talked to are very, very upset with illegals.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Pb on July 30, 2022, 06:58:16 PM
Bogie- if the Spanish speaking people buying your car parts are illegals, they are criminals already.  Most illegals have fake documents to allow them work (illegally).  That is a felony, but no one in the government cares.

Our government is using immigration, both legal and illegal, to transform the demographics of the country into one that tolerates crooked and power-mad leftist rule in return for welfare payments.

Most countries in the world that are non-european in derivation are tribalist with governmental corruption as a norm.  That is what the federal government wants.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: JTHunter on August 01, 2022, 01:54:33 PM
Bogie- if the Spanish speaking people buying your car parts are illegals, they are criminals already.  Most illegals have fake documents to allow them work (illegally).  That is a felony, but no one in the government cares.
Our government is using immigration, both legal and illegal, to transform the demographics of the country into one that tolerates crooked and power-mad leftist rule in return for welfare payments.
Most countries in the world that are non-european in derivation are tribalist with governmental corruption as a norm.  That is what the federal government wants.

 :rofl: >:D
Sad but true.
As an example of that "lawlessness", local St. Louis TV news stations were reporting of multiple people and vehicles being shot and shot at last night by several groups of "young people", some of whom were using what the reporters described as "AK pistols".  The reporter then had to go on and explain how these were "smaller" but built to "look like" the rifles and he didn't know if they were "fully automatic or not".
  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2022, 02:24:23 PM
Guess being a sanctuary city isn't so hot after all after immigrants actually start showing up.

DC Mayor Declares 'Public Emergency' Over Illegal Immigrants in Her Sanctuary City
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2022/09/08/dc-mayor-declares-public-emergency-over-illegal-immigrants-in-her-sanctuary-city-n2612824
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Pb on September 08, 2022, 09:09:02 PM
Call me crazy, but instead of busing illegal aliens around the country, why don't we bus them to... Mexico?
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2022, 09:12:53 PM
Call me crazy, but instead of busing illegal aliens around the country, why don't we bus them to... Mexico?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Texas can deport people to another country. I think only the feds can do that and they're not in the least bit interested in doing so.
Besides Mexico doesn't like people crossing their border from the north uninvited
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: K Frame on September 09, 2022, 07:46:30 AM
Call me crazy, but instead of busing illegal aliens around the country, why don't we bus them to... Mexico?

Well that would just be cruel! You can't kick people out of the United States!

Ben is correct -- expelling someone from the country is a Federal thing -- the states can't do it.

So Abbot came up with the next best, and perfectly legal, answer.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 09, 2022, 07:49:39 AM
I just saw that the Chicago Mayor packed her illegals back up on another bus and sent them to a small village in the next county over, which apparently is not in a sanctuary county, like her city and county is.

It's a little confusing to see a sanctuary city mayor be NIMBY, but she's a progressive after all.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on September 09, 2022, 07:59:05 AM
Call me crazy, but instead of busing illegal aliens around the country, why don't we bus them to... Mexico?

Because Mexico doesn't let people just cross their border without documents, or a plan to leave.  Same with Canada, you can't just cross the border with a bunch of folks and dump them off.  It's almost like those countries believe borders mean something.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: lee n. field on September 09, 2022, 08:06:52 AM
I just saw that the Chicago Mayor packed her illegals back up on another bus and sent them to a small village in the next county over, which apparently is not in a sanctuary county, like her city and county is.

It's a little confusing to see a sanctuary city mayor be NIMBY, but she's a progressive after all.

Chicago likes to ship its problems downstate.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 09, 2022, 08:19:10 AM
https://twitter.com/DefiantLs/status/1567975315821019137
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcKRPU7X0AA0TZY?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: MechAg94 on September 09, 2022, 11:30:41 PM
"border town"    :rofl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb-WFIpF36A



Don't worry, VP Kamala will solve the problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oBPFMZzNVA
Deep Thoughts With The Veep
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on September 10, 2022, 12:52:41 AM
*Capitol.

How can profeshunal journalists be so gorram bad at so simple a job?
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ron on September 10, 2022, 08:35:55 AM
I just saw that the Chicago Mayor packed her illegals back up on another bus and sent them to a small village in the next county over, which apparently is not in a sanctuary county, like her city and county is.

It's a little confusing to see a sanctuary city mayor be NIMBY, but she's a progressive after all.
Dupage County, former Republican county. County Line Rd is the border between Cook County and Dupage County. Under 15 miles to downtown Chicago. Burr Ridge is the home to Chicago professional athletes, rock stars, assorted millionaires and most everyone makes six figures and up (Estimated median household income in 2019: $165,505). The median is driven down by old sections that haven't been gentrified yet.
That's the south eastern part of Dupage county. That area is my old stomping grounds where I grew up and escaped from just recently. Went to the same high school with Burr Ridge kids. It is heavily wooded and had both rich estates and Illinois rednecks back when I was in HS. As a matter of fact the Midwests last remaining 1/2 mile clay oval short track was on the edge of Burr Ridge (closed in the early 90's). I could hear the races in the summer if my bedroom window was open, went to plenty of races while growing up. The region was pretty nice to grow up in and it's a dual tragedy of progress and wokeness in what it has become.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 10, 2022, 09:05:03 AM

Don't worry, VP Kamala will solve the problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oBPFMZzNVA
Deep Thoughts With The Veep

Veep Thoughts

Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: lee n. field on September 10, 2022, 10:18:01 AM

Don't worry, VP Kamala will solve the problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oBPFMZzNVA
Deep Thoughts With The Veep

Somebody said, and I think it's true, that she talks like someone in school trying to bullshit their way through an oral book report without having read the book.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 10, 2022, 02:41:30 PM
Somebody said, and I think it's true, that she talks like someone in school trying to bullshit their way through an oral book report without having read the book.

And she ain't particularly good it. And she doesn't seem to care.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: MechAg94 on September 10, 2022, 08:16:56 PM
Chicago Mayor Lightfoot Calls TX Governor a Racist for Busing Illegals into Her City without Permission – Then She Quickly Busses Them to Affluent Suburb Nearby Without Permission
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/09/chicagos-mayor-lightfoot-promises-illegal-immigrants-bussed-texas-receive-shelter-food-sends-nearby-town-without-informing-mayor/

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“This is not new; Chicago welcomes hundreds of migrants every year to our city and provides much-needed assistance. Unfortunately, Texas Governor Greg Abbott is without any shame or humanity. But ever since he put these racist practices of expulsion in place, we have been working with our community partners to ready the city to receive these individuals,” she added.

Now, several local news outlets are reporting that Mayor Lightfoot bused illegal immigrants from Texas last week to the suburb of Burr Ridge.

 =)
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: cordex on September 10, 2022, 08:56:30 PM
And she ain't particularly good it. And she doesn't seem to care.
Because she has already done some favors for the teacher and she knows she is going to pass.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 11, 2022, 12:08:44 AM
Because she has already done some favors for the teacher and she knows she is going to pass.

Maybe in her early days. Now, she knows she'll be OK, because the media covers for their toadies, and her skin is the holy color, with the body parts of virtue.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: HankB on September 11, 2022, 03:28:47 PM


Chicago Mayor Lightfoot Calls TX Governor a Racist for Busing Illegals into Her City without Permission – Then She Quickly Busses Them to Affluent Suburb Nearby Without Permission
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/09/chicagos-mayor-lightfoot-promises-illegal-immigrants-bussed-texas-receive-shelter-food-sends-nearby-town-without-informing-mayor/

 =)
As an update . . . my cousin lives in another suburb of Chicago, Elk Grove Village. (It's NW of Chicago, just west of O'Hare Airport.)

She reports that 90 illegals just arrived there - their mayor doesn't really know what to do with them.

https://abc7chicago.com/elk-grove-village-texas-migrants-chicago-news-lori-lightfoot/12219396/

I think what all cities (including those here in TX should do) is - ignore them. Provide NOTHING - no food, no shelter, no meetings, nothing. Except maybe a one way bus ticket to some D stronghold.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 15, 2022, 07:39:36 AM
Flown in to Martha's Vineyard.  :rofl:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/massachusetts-dems-react-desantis-transports-migrants-ritzy-marthas-vineyard-evil-inhumane

Whatever you think of DeSantis, he's doing good works here.  :laugh:

I also saw on the teevee that a busload was dropped off in front of Kamala's house.

Edit: DeSantis, not Abbott. They are both doing good works on immigration.  =)
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on September 15, 2022, 08:34:21 AM
I would call out those MA lawmakers on Twitter.

In what way is this evil and inhumane?  FL's migrant service programs are pretty much tapped out by the ones we have here.  How is it bad to transport the folks we don't have the resources to support to states that have both the resources and, apparently, the desire to bring in and support refugees?
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 15, 2022, 08:38:00 AM
But wait there's more

2 migrant buses arrive outside Vice President Kamala Harris' Naval Observatory residence in DC
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2-migrant-buses-arrive-vice-president-kamala-harris-naval-observatory-residence-dc

Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Lennyjoe on September 15, 2022, 08:38:07 AM
Just dropped off 2 bus loads outside of Kamala Harris’s place in DC this morning
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Lennyjoe on September 15, 2022, 08:40:00 AM
But wait there's more

2 migrant buses arrive outside Vice President Kamala Harris' Naval Observatory residence in DC
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2-migrant-buses-arrive-vice-president-kamala-harris-naval-observatory-residence-dc

Gah, you beat me to it.

I can tell ya that there’s quite an Influx of Hispanic immigrants here in my small town of Springfield Ohio the last few months.  We got Haitian and French Polynesian in the last few years as well. 
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 15, 2022, 08:51:39 AM
Dropping them off in dem strongholds I guess could be called "evil and inhumane"

Massachusetts Dems react after DeSantis transports migrants into ritzy Martha's Vineyard: 'Evil and inhumane'
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 15, 2022, 08:52:59 AM
I would call out those MA lawmakers on Twitter.

How dare you make them practice what they preach! Leave them alone! Don't you know that they have NRDC wine and cheese parties to go to where they need to make more declarations that (they think) won't affect them?
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 15, 2022, 09:40:52 AM
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Over the years, dedicated humanitarians at the border like Sister Norma Pimental have built a network of shelters and service providers to help migrants get to their ultimate destination.

These services DO NOT EXIST in places like Martha's Vineyard.

Why not? If you pride yourself on your "sanctuary city" designation, shouldn't you be prepared with sanctuary services?
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 15, 2022, 09:54:08 AM
Why not? If you pride yourself on your "sanctuary city" designation, shouldn't you be prepared with sanctuary services?

Dems: Put an open house and free food and free room and board sign on their house.
Also Dems: Criticized their neighbors for not doing the same.
Also Also Dems: Are shocked to find people expecting free food and free room and board in their house going through their refrigerator. Blame their neighbors
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on September 15, 2022, 10:05:01 AM
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Over the years, dedicated humanitarians at the border like Sister Norma Pimental have built a network of shelters and service providers to help migrants get to their ultimate destination.

These services DO NOT EXIST in places like Martha's Vineyard.


Why not? If you pride yourself on your "sanctuary city" designation, shouldn't you be prepared with sanctuary services?

[Looks around FL]  The border with .......Georgia? 


Besides, we did exactly that.  Floridians helped migrants get to their ultimate destination.......Martha's Vineyard. 
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 15, 2022, 10:16:53 AM
[Looks around FL]  The border with .......Georgia? 

Regarding Florida and its "other" border, I have always found it interesting that fed.gov, across administrations, has enforced the border regarding migration from Cuba, which actually has a stronger case for asylum than "asylum seekers" from Mexico who are actually people either looking for a job or free stuff.

I'm not even sure what the status of "feet dry" is anymore.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on September 15, 2022, 10:55:16 AM
Regarding Florida and its "other" border, I have always found it interesting that fed.gov, across administrations, has enforced the border regarding migration from Cuba, which actually has a stronger case for asylum than "asylum seekers" from Mexico who are actually people either looking for a job or free stuff.

I'm not even sure what the status of "feet dry" is anymore.

Obama killed it.  Cubans that make it here now are "undocumented" (illegal) just like any other nationality.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: MillCreek on September 15, 2022, 11:12:37 AM
Why not? If you pride yourself on your "sanctuary city" designation, shouldn't you be prepared with sanctuary services?

True dat.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 15, 2022, 11:17:40 AM
Why not? If you pride yourself on your "sanctuary city" designation, shouldn't you be prepared with sanctuary services?

Why? They're far enough from the border where they shouldn't have to. This was suppose to 100% virtue signaling. Then those evil border states had to go and ruin it.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on September 15, 2022, 11:20:25 AM
Why? They're far enough from the border where they shouldn't have to.

Todos en la cama, o todos en el suelo

The residents of The Vineyard can ask their new neighbors what that means.   >:D
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 15, 2022, 11:51:25 AM
Dems get mad when they're forced to put THEIR money where their mouth is.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 15, 2022, 04:05:25 PM
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Dana Loesch
@DLoesch
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Biden sent 70 flights of illegal entrants to Florida. Democrats were silent.

DeSantis sent 2 to Martha's Vineyard. Democrats lost their minds.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/09/15/this-dana-loesch-buries-democrats-losing-their-freakin-minds-over-illegal-immigrants-in-marthas-vineyard-with-1-perfect-reminder/
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 15, 2022, 04:38:28 PM
WE DON'T HAVE THE SERVICES TO TAKE CARE OF FIFTY IMMIGRANTS!!!!!!!!!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1570456702390267905

Once again, what Abbott and DeSantis are doing is simply brilliant.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/09/15/they-have-to-move-on-sanctuary-city-marthas-vineyard-resident-says-they-cant-deal-with-50-illegal-immigrants-because-reasons-watch/

By the way, that's the Martha's Vineyard HOMELESS COORDINATOR in the video.

Also a great twitter comment:

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A quick Air BNB search came up with 297 homes currently avaliable. I'm sure they have a lot of empty summer homes avalible.

Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 15, 2022, 04:42:12 PM
(https://preview.redd.it/0zjg5dwc4as61.jpg?auto=webp&s=b86d47cd86e46918d6bb6e7a4894bf7208e61d47)
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 15, 2022, 04:56:23 PM
Time for 3 or 4 bus loads to be dropped off at Newsom's house

Gavin Newsom asks DOJ to consider 'kidnapping' charges after GOP governors ship migrants out of state
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gavin-newsom-asks-consider-kidnapping-charges-gop-governors-ship-migrants-out-state
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 15, 2022, 06:20:16 PM
They are apparently mixing up Martha's Vineyard with Gilligan's Island.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/09/15/nbc-news-chuck-todd-marthas-vineyard-is-a-literal-island-that-doesnt-have-any-infrastructure/
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 15, 2022, 06:28:50 PM
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Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 15, 2022, 06:36:55 PM
They could have ICE come and get them

Oh wait

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/BVNQPNKAJVE4VOMYDFBLCQAV3A.jpg)
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 15, 2022, 07:09:39 PM
More immigrants being sent to where the dems said they're welcome is a crime against humanity.

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Nikki Fried
@NikkiFried
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Just got off the phone with the @WhiteHouse. I’m asking the @TheJusticeDept to investigate Ron DeSantis’ political human trafficking.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/09/15/floridas-checks-notes-agriculture-commissioner-asks-doj-to-investigate-ron-desantis-human-trafficking/
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 15, 2022, 07:17:57 PM
Martha's Vineyard Resident Calls Police To Report A Hispanic In The Neighborhood Not Operating A Leaf Blower
https://babylonbee.com/news/marthas-vineyard-resident-calls-police-to-report-a-latino-in-the-neighborhood-not-operating-a-leaf-blower/

Obamas Construct New Cages At Martha’s Vineyard To Hold Arriving Migrants
https://babylonbee.com/news/obamas-construct-new-cages-to-hold-arriving-migrants-at-marthas-vineyard-estate
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 15, 2022, 11:21:24 PM
Martha's Vineyard gets diversity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L2eCll6L8s
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: HankB on September 16, 2022, 07:57:05 AM
Saw a clip of some nitwit on CNN or MSNBC saying that sending illegals to liberal sanctuary cities was JUST LIKE the Holocaust.

So I guess tour buses and jet aircraft are JUST LIKE cattle cars, and there are gas chambers and ovens in Martha's Vineyard, New York City, Washington D.C., and Chicago.

Just more proof that liberals aren't merely people with different opinions, they're stark raving lunatics.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 16, 2022, 09:05:00 AM
I know I've already said this in my last three posts, but this is just such a brilliant move, especially using Martha's Vineyard, that it's just making my month. Every time I see the usual suspects yell "humanitarian crisis!" I just smile.

Since Brandon has been in office, FIVE MILLION illegals have entered the country at the Southern border, overwhelming all the poor communities there. The fact that fifty illegals in one of the richest communities in the US, if not the world, is causing such an uproar by the people who told poor towns in red states to suck it up is just UltraMagaSchadenfreude.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 16, 2022, 09:12:35 AM
Saw a clip of some nitwit on CNN or MSNBC saying that sending illegals to liberal sanctuary cities was JUST LIKE the Holocaust.

So I guess tour buses and jet aircraft are JUST LIKE cattle cars, and there are gas chambers and ovens in Martha's Vineyard, New York City, Washington D.C., and Chicago.

Just more proof that liberals aren't merely people with different opinions, they're stark raving lunatics.

Not uncommon to finds posts going on how about the US is the most repressive country ever. Usually by the same people who equate themselves with Jews in Nazi Germany if someone uses the wrong pronoun
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on September 16, 2022, 09:14:34 AM
Twitter thread of screenshots from a Martha's Vineyard FB group:  https://twitter.com/DoctorTurtleboy/status/1570571488956395521

It's hilarious to watch so many folks trying to remain compassionate and caring while making sure those 50 folks GTFO.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: HankB on September 16, 2022, 09:24:18 AM
A couple of years ago, Europe was having its own illegal alien crisis with an influx from North Africa and the Middle East. Germany was accepting them, and sending them to different towns.

One fairly small town (tourism and skiing in the winter were the main businesses) was notified they were going to get a LOT of these illegals - amounting to a very significant fraction of their population. The German government demanded a list of all available hotel rooms, vacant office space and private homes with extra bedrooms.  The mayor (burgermeister?) pointed out that the last in particular was prohibited since the German constitution prohibits taking people's homes to house others, and as for the other info demanded, well, they had no information on that. There was some back-and-forth on this.

Well, eventually, a train full of illegals pulled in late, along with some bureaucrats. They found the train station closed, locked, and dark, with nobody there except a janitor. No food, no transportation, no housing arrangements, no welcome committee - nothing. Phone calls to town offices got recordings saying they were closed.

Bureaucrats were furious - but the town was doing nothing. Ultimately they called the German army who came out and set up a tent city in a vacant field, along with field kitchens, latrines, etc. Last I heard, they were looking elsewhere for housing to accommodate the illegals . . . a situation that was due to get worse, since another trainload was supposed to come in soon.

Never saw a follow up, but I wonder if some border communities and border states here should do the same as that little German town.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 16, 2022, 09:32:53 AM
Twitter thread of screenshots from a Martha's Vineyard FB group:  https://twitter.com/DoctorTurtleboy/status/1570571488956395521

It's hilarious to watch so many folks trying to remain compassionate and caring while making sure those 50 folks GTFO.

That link is making my morning.  :rofl:

"My husband was activated as a Spanish interpreter." They're going to war, man!

Which, it looks like they, in the usual use of the word, activated a few hundred National Guard to collect fifty people.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 16, 2022, 10:00:14 AM
If Martha's Vineyard was a predominantly R community you know what the MSM and pols reaction would be.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 16, 2022, 11:11:21 AM
Biden to the rescue

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Migrants who landed on the island about 48 hours ago, are reportedly being moved to Joint Base Cape Cod, a military base on the mainland.
https://twitchy.com/mike-313136/2022/09/16/that-was-quick-migrants-already-being-moved-off-marthas-vineyard/
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 16, 2022, 11:36:53 AM
Biden to the rescue
https://twitchy.com/mike-313136/2022/09/16/that-was-quick-migrants-already-being-moved-off-marthas-vineyard/

Thereby greatly strengthening the case DeSantis and Abbott are making. At least to all but the most virulent TDSers.

Thanks Brandon!  =D
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: DittoHead on September 16, 2022, 11:42:34 AM
DeSantis is definitely running for president. He must have been a bit jealous of Abbot's headlines, not only copied his stunt but he had to "borrow" some migrants from him. :laugh:
Quote from: https://www.businessinsider.com/migrants-ron-desantis-flew-marthas-vineyard-from-texas-not-florida-2022-9
The migrants who Gov. Ron DeSantis flew to Martha's Vineyard this week were not transported from the state he actually governs, but from Texas.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 16, 2022, 11:45:43 AM
DeSantis is definitely running for president. He must have been a bit jealous of Abbot's headlines, not only copied his stunt

How is sending illegals from non-sanctuary cities to sanctuary cities a stunt? Isn't that what sanctuary cities were designated for?

A stunt is more like a president sending thousands upon thousands of illegals to non-sanctuary cities in the middle of the night.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 16, 2022, 11:50:36 AM
How is sending illegals from non-sanctuary cities to sanctuary cities a stunt? Isn't that what sanctuary cities were designated for?


Only the most evil Nazi would subject immigrants to the horrors of being sent to cities that welcome them.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: cordex on September 16, 2022, 11:55:45 AM
How is sending illegals from non-sanctuary cities to sanctuary cities a stunt? Isn't that what sanctuary cities were designated for?

A stunt is more like a president sending thousands upon thousands of illegals to non-sanctuary cities in the middle of the night.
No, DittoHead is right.  This is a political stunt, in much the same way that declaring a city a sanctuary city is a political stunt.  I think I like it, but it remains to be seen how it will play out.

The government seeding illegals throughout the US is not supposed to be visible, so it is not a political stunt.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: DittoHead on September 16, 2022, 11:56:05 AM
How is sending illegals from non-sanctuary cities to sanctuary cities a stunt? Isn't that what sanctuary cities were designated for?
A stunt is more like a president sending thousands upon thousands of illegals to non-sanctuary cities in the middle of the night.
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Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 16, 2022, 12:00:14 PM
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stunt
3 of 4
noun (2)
1
: an unusual or difficult feat requiring great skill or daring
especially : one performed or undertaken chiefly to gain attention or publicity
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stunt

Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: cordex on September 16, 2022, 12:01:50 PM
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stunt
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/publicity%20stunt
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Definition of publicity stunt
: something done just to get the attention of the public
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 16, 2022, 12:02:16 PM
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/692/19789999.jpg)

You guys at the Bulwark crack me up.  =)
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 16, 2022, 12:03:14 PM
How is sending illegals from non-sanctuary cities to sanctuary cities a stunt? Isn't that what sanctuary cities were designated for?

A stunt is more like a president sending thousands upon thousands of illegals to non-sanctuary cities in the middle of the night.

Of course it's a stunt. Of course it's political theater. It's about time some high-profile Republican pols starting playing that game.

The governors are drawing attention to a problem, which is absolutely necessary, if we're to really address a problem like this one.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 16, 2022, 12:09:27 PM
Here's everyone favorite Hogg

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David Hogg
@davidhogg111
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Follow
Good Christians don’t use immigrants as political pawns and oppress them.
8:08 AM · Sep 16, 2022
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/09/16/david-hoggs-take-today-on-how-good-christians-treat-immigrants-has-already-aged-like-fine-milk-in-the-florida-sun/

Oppress them? By sending them to a place that welcomes them?
Moron
Idiot
Tool

Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 16, 2022, 12:13:50 PM
Saw a clip of some nitwit on CNN or MSNBC saying that sending illegals to liberal sanctuary cities was JUST LIKE the Holocaust.

So I guess tour buses and jet aircraft are JUST LIKE cattle cars, and there are gas chambers and ovens in Martha's Vineyard, New York City, Washington D.C., and Chicago.

Just more proof that liberals aren't merely people with different opinions, they're stark raving lunatics.

I think the clip in question was an interview with Ken Burns. I can only assume his next documentary will feature interviews with residents of Martha's Vineyard, who were there when Hitler shipped in the boatloads of Jewish prisoners.

"They lined them up on the beach. Made them do yoga, and drink chardonnay. The images are still seared into my memory. [weeping]"
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 16, 2022, 12:15:52 PM
Good examples of much of the hypocrisy coming out of "sanctuary" cities

The Sanctuary City Democrats Who Changed Their Tune Once Illegals Showed Up
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2022/09/16/the-sanctuary-city-democrats-who-changed-their-tune-once-illegals-showed-up-n2613191
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 16, 2022, 12:15:58 PM
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The difference between the Democrats and the rest of America is what they want to do with everyone else’s property. Most Americans would rather be left in peace to follow their own dreams and desires—you might call that the “pursuit of happiness.” But a Democrat sees everyone else’s property as underused resources that he, in his wisdom, might put to better use. (Underused resources are a crime against “the people,” by which a leftist always means himself.)

https://amgreatness.com/2022/09/15/send-all-of-the-illegals-to-marthas-vineyard/
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 17, 2022, 12:17:01 AM
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Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 17, 2022, 02:50:19 AM
DeSantis is definitely running for president. He must have been a bit jealous of Abbot's headlines, not only copied his stunt but he had to "borrow" some migrants from him. :laugh:

Low quality muck raking as usual. 
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 17, 2022, 12:57:26 PM
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Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: grampster on September 17, 2022, 04:19:05 PM
https://amgreatness.com/2022/09/15/send-all-of-the-illegals-to-marthas-vineyard/

I posted that on Fecesbook.  See if I get banned.  I will be blocked by a few alleged friends, I suppose.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 17, 2022, 08:57:29 PM
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The sign needs updating:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcymvqUXgAEdweq?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 17, 2022, 09:10:06 PM
Just Kidding
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 17, 2022, 09:44:53 PM
"We stand with immigrants ... until they show up."
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 17, 2022, 09:47:05 PM
(https://media.patriots.win/post/DNzf7Qj42zX3.jpeg)
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 17, 2022, 11:18:23 PM
https://amgreatness.com/2022/09/15/send-all-of-the-illegals-to-marthas-vineyard/

Won't the island tip over?
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 18, 2022, 09:49:08 AM
https://babylonbee.com/news/migrants-decline-newsoms-offer-of-asylum-in-ca-since-they-just-came-from-a-collapsing-communist-hellhole-with-no-electricity
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 18, 2022, 09:50:57 AM
https://babylonbee.com/news/migrants-decline-newsoms-offer-of-asylum-in-ca-since-they-just-came-from-a-collapsing-communist-hellhole-with-no-electricity

The best satire is when it isn't satire
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 18, 2022, 11:49:46 AM
Gutfeld:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6VgvEhnkJs
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Fly320s on September 18, 2022, 11:58:59 AM
Won't the island tip over?

No, the high-speed internet cables anchor it to Massachusetts.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 19, 2022, 08:34:16 AM
How to make this about gun control

NYC's Adams says DeSantis, Abbott trying to deflect from guns
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/09/19/adams-desantis-abbott-n62454
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 19, 2022, 08:36:28 AM
How to make this about gun control

NYC's Adams says DeSantis, Abbott trying to deflect from guns
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/09/19/adams-desantis-abbott-n62454

I also saw that Adams is blaming Abbott for the open borders.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 19, 2022, 11:07:26 AM
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Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: K Frame on September 19, 2022, 11:39:14 AM
Whelp, DeSantis is well and royally screwed.

Martha's Vineyard just sent 50 Karens in retaliation.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 19, 2022, 12:48:01 PM
I also saw that Adams is blaming Abbott for the open borders.  :rofl:

And the same dems scream bloody murder if Texas tries to do anything on it's own.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 19, 2022, 01:15:54 PM
I mean...  :rofl:


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fc8-AtSWYAAI8XO?format=jpg&name=small)

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/09/19/cnn-reports-how-illegal-immigrants-enriched-marthas-vineyard-before-being-quickly-removed/

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New England progressives nominating themselves for a Nobel Peace Prize after commingling w/ migrants for nearly 2 full days
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 19, 2022, 01:21:33 PM
The left just can't deal with how badly they're getting owned in this.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 19, 2022, 01:23:56 PM
DeSantis tried to overthrow Martha's Vineyard. It's an insurrection!
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on September 19, 2022, 01:30:08 PM
https://twitter.com/Yankee_Blu_Girl/status/1570424042619895808?s=20&t=0P7MQu_XkrKQM-Rwa_ssWg

The amount of Dems that are suddenly experts on immigration law is truly astounding.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 19, 2022, 07:21:26 PM
We're just at the end of the fiscal year, and have already had 2 million illegals enter the country. That's more people than the entire population of my state, and it's not counting around a half million more who didn't get caught. Martha's Vineyard better make some more room.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/09/19/augusts-migrant-encounter-numbers-will-put-us-well-over-2-million-for-fiscal-year-2022/
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Pb on September 19, 2022, 08:15:47 PM
The Great Replacement is moving at warp speed.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 19, 2022, 08:59:32 PM
Whelp, DeSantis is well and royally screwed.

Martha's Vineyard just sent 50 Karens in retaliation.

Martha's Vineyard Takes Revenge On DeSantis By Shipping Him 50 Karens
https://babylonbee.com/news/marthas-vineyard-takes-revenge-on-desantis-by-shipping-him-50-karens

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"Perhaps now DeSantis will think twice before he sullies our pristine white island with brown migrant people," said Martha's Vineyard HOA President Karen VonSchnitzel. "Once the charter flight filled with our neighborhood's most insufferable Karens touches down in Tallahassee, he will rue the day he made us look like heartless racists in front of the entire country. HAHAHAHAHA!"

The group of 50 Karens was selected from over 478 Karens who volunteered for the flight, as most women who live on the island are named Karen. "Hopefully this political stunt will help DeSATAN see the error of his ways," said HOA Vice President Karen Bohannan. "If not, we'll send even more. There are plenty more Karens where that came from!"

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At publishing time, DeSantis confirmed the Karens had been apprehended by the Florida National Guard and were on their way to Gitmo.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 19, 2022, 10:04:42 PM
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Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 19, 2022, 10:10:19 PM
Waiting on them to start the same spin they tried recently with San Francisco, that the problem with Martha's Vineyard is that it's been run by Rs for far too long
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 20, 2022, 09:24:00 AM
What's with a Texas Sheriff investigating DeSantis? I can see some police chief doing so, but a Texas Sheriff? Even in whatever county commie San Antonio is in? I thought pretty much all the Texas Sheriffs were pro secure borders?

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/09/20/unlike-the-53-immigrants-who-died-in-a-truck-desantis-fires-back-at-sheriff-investigating-him-over-marthas-vineyard-and-its-straight-fire/
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 20, 2022, 11:15:18 AM
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Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 20, 2022, 05:53:20 PM
Border Town Puts Up 'Martha's Vineyard' Sign In Hopes Government Will Come Pick Up All Their Illegal Immigrants
https://babylonbee.com/news/border-town-puts-up-marthas-vineyard-sign-so-immigrants-will-know-theyre-not-welcome-there
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 21, 2022, 06:18:15 PM
An ambulance chaser (and or lefty operatives) apparently found three illegals (all related) willing to sue DeSantis. I will reiterate one of the comments: You traveled over a thousand miles on foot and snuck across a border, working with coyotes and other dangerous people, and being placed in Martha's Vineyard was too much for you and you're suing for lost sleep? Okay then.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/09/21/plaintiff-says-she-suffered-from-lack-of-sleep-and-vertigo-upon-arriving-in-marthas-vineyard/
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 21, 2022, 06:40:22 PM
An ambulance chaser (and or lefty operatives) apparently found three illegals (all related) willing to sue DeSantis. I will reiterate one of the comments: You traveled over a thousand miles on foot and snuck across a border, working with coyotes and other dangerous people, and being placed in Martha's Vineyard was too much for you and you're suing for lost sleep? Okay then.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/09/21/plaintiff-says-she-suffered-from-lack-of-sleep-and-vertigo-upon-arriving-in-marthas-vineyard/

I want to be on the jury. How do I volunteer?
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 21, 2022, 06:42:56 PM
An ambulance chaser (and or lefty operatives) apparently found three illegals (all related) willing to sue DeSantis. I will reiterate one of the comments: You traveled over a thousand miles on foot and snuck across a border, working with coyotes and other dangerous people, and being placed in Martha's Vineyard was too much for you and you're suing for lost sleep? Okay then.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/09/21/plaintiff-says-she-suffered-from-lack-of-sleep-and-vertigo-upon-arriving-in-marthas-vineyard/

However else he responds, he should congratulate the aliens on trying to assimilate to America's litigious culture.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 23, 2022, 11:01:01 AM
Venezuela is sending its prison population to the US via the open border. Premium subscriber story, but here's the gist:

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Venezuela is deliberately releasing prisoners, among them violent criminals, and has them travel to the U.S. southern border, a development that prompted 14 House Republicans to write to Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas.

Rep. Troy Nehls (R-Texas), who is leading the Republican effort to have Mayorkas answer questions, said in the Sept. 22 letter that the decision by the Nicolas Maduro regime has put the United States “in grave danger.”

“We write you with serious concern about a recent U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) intelligence report received by Border Patrol that instructs agents to look for violent criminals from Venezuela among the migrant caravans heading towards the U.S.-Mexico border,” the letter says, citing a recent report from Breitbart.

The outlet reported on Sept. 18 that it had reviewed the DHS intelligence report from an unnamed source within the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP). The report warned that released prisoners—including those convicted of murder, rape, and extortion—had been seen within migrant caravans traveling from Tapachula, Mexico, to the southern border, as recently as July.

The report also said the Bolivarian National Intelligence Service, Venezuela’s intelligence agency, may have played a role in deliberately releasing prisoners.

Hours after Breitbart published the report, Nehls took to Twitter to announce that he had obtained confirmation from the DHS.

“DHS confirms that Venezuela empties prisons and sends violent criminals to our southern border,” Nehls wrote. “President Trump warned us about this years ago.”

https://www.theepochtimes.com/venezuela-empties-prisons-and-sends-criminals-to-us-border-house-republicans_4750105.html
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 23, 2022, 11:01:52 AM
Venezuela is sending its prison population to the US via the open border. Premium subscriber story, but here's the gist:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/venezuela-empties-prisons-and-sends-criminals-to-us-border-house-republicans_4750105.html

Isn't that basically what Cuba did?
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: K Frame on September 23, 2022, 11:14:50 AM
Isn't that basically what Cuba did?

Yes.

Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 23, 2022, 12:59:51 PM
Suddenly we have a border problem and since blaming Abbot didn't put Buttigieg ahead by 40 points in the polls lets try blaming DeSantis as well.

Pete Buttigieg Manages to Blame Ron DeSantis for Biden's Border Crisis
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2022/09/23/pete-buttigieg-manages-to-blame-ron-desantis-for-bidens-border-crisis-n2613509
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 23, 2022, 04:55:46 PM
FreedomToons

If you give Martha's Vineyard a Migrant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR-iPlTB0Is
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 24, 2022, 09:04:44 AM
I just saw on the teevee that Mayor Adams of NYC is putting forward a request for a half billion dollars to help with the bussed-in migrants.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Angel Eyes on October 03, 2022, 11:12:21 PM
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Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on January 30, 2023, 05:10:00 PM
They won't leave
You know, AOC may have a spare room or two.

Illegal migrants refuse to leave NYC hotel for Brooklyn migrant relief center, sleep in the street
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/illegal-migrants-refuse-leave-nyc-hotel-brooklyn-migrant-relief-center-sleep-street
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: JTHunter on January 31, 2023, 03:39:35 PM
Why should they leave?  After all, they have a roof over their heads, they are given food and clothing, all without having to do any "work" at all.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 31, 2023, 04:07:28 PM
They won't leave
You know, AOC may have a spare room or two.

Illegal migrants refuse to leave NYC hotel for Brooklyn migrant relief center, sleep in the street
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/illegal-migrants-refuse-leave-nyc-hotel-brooklyn-migrant-relief-center-sleep-street


How many migrants are staying at Gracie Mansion right now?
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 31, 2023, 04:52:46 PM
https://hotair.com/karen-townsend/2023/01/31/judge-dismisses-lawsuit-over-desantis-migrant-flight-to-marthas-vineyard-n527567
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on May 12, 2023, 05:50:48 PM
Now imagine the outrage if they had said "White communities"

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"Why would any leader put our Black communities already riddled with crime, at further risk by placing unvetted, non-taxpayers steps away from our seniors, our children, and our homes we've worked so hard on our own to secure," said J. Darnell Jones, a resident of South Shore.

Migrants ‘dumped’ in Chicago shelter could 'destroy' Black communities, residents say
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/migrants-dumped-chicago-shelter-would-destroy-black-communities-residents-say
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Pb on May 13, 2023, 09:02:27 AM
I've read speculation that one of the reasons the rich love importing illegal aliens to a city is that they drive blacks out of the area.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 13, 2023, 03:01:22 PM
https://hotair.com/karen-townsend/2023/01/31/judge-dismisses-lawsuit-over-desantis-migrant-flight-to-marthas-vineyard-n527567

How does ANYTHING Vertol has qualify as a public record? Vertol isn't a public agency, it's a private company. If there are written or e-mail exchanges between Vertol and some Florida state agency, those records are public records on the Florida government end, but they aren't public records on the Vertol end.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on May 15, 2023, 07:27:18 PM
Poll: Most Democrats In Favor Of Welcoming Immigrants Into Someone Else's Neighborhood
https://babylonbee.com/news/poll-most-democrats-in-favor-of-welcoming-immigrants-into-someone-elses-neighborhood
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 07, 2023, 10:07:43 AM
This is awesome:

https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/09/07/eric-adams-about-to-lose-the-city-we-love-illegals-immigrants-n2386927

It's hard being a sanctuary city when you actually have to be one, not just say that you are one.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: K Frame on September 07, 2023, 10:52:07 AM
Poll: Most Democrats In Favor Of Welcoming Immigrants Into Someone Else's Neighborhood
https://babylonbee.com/news/poll-most-democrats-in-favor-of-welcoming-immigrants-into-someone-elses-neighborhood


Yeah, that's NOT satire. The BIGGEST, most disgusting NIMBYs I've ever seen have all been liberals.

A friend's mother was horrified at the thought that a homeless shelter might be put in her neighborhood because, well, those people just weren't right for the high class tone of the neighborhood. But she was definitely all for a homeless shelter in a less affluent area.  ;/


And let's not forget the Massachusetts liberals losing their minds over a proposed offshore wind power project because, well, it might spoil their high dollar views.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 07, 2023, 01:34:46 PM
This is awesome:

https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/09/07/eric-adams-about-to-lose-the-city-we-love-illegals-immigrants-n2386927

It's hard being a sanctuary city when you actually have to be one, not just say that you are one.  :rofl:

*cough*

Quote
    "We should protect our immigrants." Period.

    Yes, New York City will remain a sanctuary city under an Adams administration. #EricOnNBC
    — Eric Adams (@ericadamsfornyc) October 20, 2021

Quote
    A reminder to the tired, the poor, and the huddled masses yearning to breathe free: pic.twitter.com/fkUZHOqNPL
    — Mayor Eric Adams (@NYCMayor) August 5, 2017
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/09/07/heres-another-tweet-from-eric-adams-that-has-aged-like-milk-in-the-summer-sun-n2386944

Talk is cheap until you're forced to put your money where your mouth is
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 07, 2023, 05:39:10 PM
Eric Adams Calls Texas To Ask If They Have Any More Of Those Cowboy Guys With The Whips
https://babylonbee.com/news/eric-adams-calls-texas-to-ask-if-they-have-any-more-of-those-cowboys-with-the-whips
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: JTHunter on September 07, 2023, 07:22:26 PM
Talk is cheap until you're forced to put your money where your mouth is.

But it is not "his" money.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: grampster on September 07, 2023, 07:27:56 PM
Democrats surely want their votes, but not living in their backyard.  I think/hope that the irony of the future is that all of those illegals who finally get to be Americans wind up not voting for Democrats.

Where's the media hounding the congress critters and El Presidente to do their duty and secure the border and create a rational immigration policy?  Crickets.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: HankB on September 08, 2023, 11:42:51 AM
I'm sick and tired of nearly everyone on TV - including Fox News hosts and commentators - using the term "migrants" when they're talking about illegal aliens.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on September 08, 2023, 12:35:04 PM
Fresh on the heels of NYC actually seeing illegal immigrants:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-administration-considering-plan-forcing-migrants-remain-texas

The link conveys the gist of it, but I especially like the use of GPS monitoring.  Next Biden will start treating them like criminals or something!

Quote
The Biden administration is considering forcing migrants who cross into the United States illegally to remain in Texas while they wait out their asylum screening.

Administration officials cite the proposed plan as a way to curb the flow of illegal immigrants at the southern border, The Los Angeles Times reported, citing three U.S. officials not authorized to discuss the matter.

The plan would force migrants to remain in Texas, or possibly other border states by tracking their location through GPS monitoring devices, such as ankle bracelets, the officials told the Times. 
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Pb on September 08, 2023, 04:31:29 PM
Of course its unthinkable that they all be ejected from the country.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: JN01 on September 10, 2023, 02:10:40 AM
Democrats surely want their votes, but not living in their backyard. 
Maybe they can start sending absentee ballots to Mexico.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 18, 2023, 08:39:13 PM
 [popcorn]

Quote
End Wokeness
@EndWokeness
Residents are now begging local politicians to “close the borders of Chicago” to stop illegals coming from Texas

96% of this neighborhood voted for Biden
https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1703874950023508456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes! Chicago residents begging local politicians to close their borders
https://twitchy.com/laura-w/2023/09/18/play-stupid-games-win-stupid-prizes-chicago-residents-begging-local-politicians-to-close-their-borders-n2387431
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 20, 2023, 08:45:35 AM
More popcorn  [popcorn]

Eric Adams slams Joe Biden again over New York City's migrant crisis - as the president REFUSES to meet mayor while in town for the UN Assembly
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12538117/eric-adams-joe-biden-nyc-migrants.html
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 20, 2023, 08:50:48 AM
Don't you guys realize we need illegal immigrants to put us in our place? Enlightened societies seek third world status.

https://twitchy.com/coucy/2023/09/19/louis-ck-has-an-interesting-take-on-us-border-let-em-all-in-americans-have-it-too-good-n2387480
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: cordex on September 20, 2023, 09:16:24 AM
Don't you guys realize we need illegal immigrants to put us in our place? Enlightened societies seek third world status.

https://twitchy.com/coucy/2023/09/19/louis-ck-has-an-interesting-take-on-us-border-let-em-all-in-americans-have-it-too-good-n2387480
So, just to be clear, this racist thinks immigrants make things worse, but that's a good thing.  Also, as others have noted, he is well insulated from the negative impacts of immigration he predicts.

As far as "It's not a good way to live - in a gated community", I'm curious when he would like to start living his prescription for everyone else.  Or does he think that living in a multi-million dollar apartment with good security is totally not the same thing?
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 21, 2023, 08:28:29 AM
Biden admin (I'm assuming Border Patrol) is removing razor wire barriers that Texas put up. The Governor has ordered it all replaced ASAP. Interesting dynamic between feds and state. Can state LE arrest fed LE? I would imagine a whole lot of the CBP people are not happy about being sent out to do this.

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/09/20/biden-administration-cuts-razor-wire-in-texas-meant-to-stop-illegal-crossings-n2387521
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: HankB on September 21, 2023, 10:04:55 AM
Biden admin (I'm assuming Border Patrol) is removing razor wire barriers that Texas put up. The Governor has ordered it all replaced ASAP. Interesting dynamic between feds and state. Can state LE arrest fed LE? I would imagine a whole lot of the CBP people are not happy about being sent out to do this.

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/09/20/biden-administration-cuts-razor-wire-in-texas-meant-to-stop-illegal-crossings-n2387521
IANAL, but if the razor wire was deployed on state land, I would think the people removing it - Federal or not - would be subject to arrest.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 21, 2023, 12:41:19 PM
IANAL, but if the razor wire was deployed on state land, I would think the people removing it - Federal or not - would be subject to arrest.

Does the feral government OWN any land along the border in Texas? If not, the Border Patrol would not appear to have any legal authority to remove anything installed by either private property owners or the State.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: MechAg94 on September 21, 2023, 02:15:50 PM
Does the feral government OWN any land along the border in Texas? If not, the Border Patrol would not appear to have any legal authority to remove anything installed by either private property owners or the State.
I doubt the land confiscated for the border wall was given back. 

Also, I am sure there is some law that gives the Feds access to the border areas.  I am sure some federal judge would say it doesn't matter what they are doing.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 22, 2023, 09:44:42 AM
This speaks for itself

Quote
    Doocy: “What do you call it when 10,000 illegals cross the border in a single day.”

    Jean-Pierre: “What do you call it when republicans…”

    Doocy: You’re not answering

    Jean-Pierre: “We’re moving on”
    pic.twitter.com/rvKDTDLUt9
    — Greg Price (@greg_price11) September 21, 2023

Mayor of TX border town does NOT agree with KJP about who's responsible for the border crisis
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/09/22/mayor-of-tx-border-town-does-not-agree-with-kjp-about-whos-responsible-for-the-border-crisis-n2387591
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: JTHunter on September 23, 2023, 03:30:54 PM
This speaks for itself.

That's because not only are they clueless (and unconcerned) about what most Americans want, they don't have any answers that won't implicate them in their skullduggery.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 25, 2023, 04:06:10 PM
Anyways, nothing to see here. Just asylum seeking immigrants who want to assimilate.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1706363972776038734
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 25, 2023, 06:34:42 PM
YOUNG CHILDREN HOWLING IN PAIN AS THEY CRAWL THROUGH RAZOR WIRE! INHUMAN!!!

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/09/25/photographers-show-migrant-children-howling-in-pain-as-they-crawl-through-razor-wire-n2387724

Tip: Don't forces your kid to crawl through razor wire.

As mentioned in the comments, fortunately professional photographers were on hand to record this heinous crime.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 25, 2023, 06:44:31 PM
YOUNG CHILDREN HOWLING IN PAIN AS THEY CRAWL THROUGH RAZOR WIRE! INHUMAN!!!

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/09/25/photographers-show-migrant-children-howling-in-pain-as-they-crawl-through-razor-wire-n2387724

Tip: Don't forces your kid to crawl through razor wire.

As mentioned in the comments, fortunately professional photographers were on hand to record this heinous crime.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQSsCXr4gaxOT_-VArtqWerq90zxFjIRgPcbQ&usqp=CAU)
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 25, 2023, 07:06:36 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQSsCXr4gaxOT_-VArtqWerq90zxFjIRgPcbQ&usqp=CAU)

There's actual cages full of children right now under Biden, unlike the empty lots behind that photo. Yet somehow our intrepid journalists and photographers have not stumbled upon them yet.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 26, 2023, 10:04:39 AM
Elon has had enough.
Bet the FAA will come up a whole new list of reasons to F with SpaceX.

It's so ON! Elon Musk has HAD IT, set to expose Biden's southern border crisis to M(B)ILLIONS of people
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/09/26/elon-musk-doing-bidens-job-for-him-says-he-will-be-visiting-the-southern-border-n2387756
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on September 26, 2023, 02:30:35 PM
 Related:

With the thousands of young women flooding NYC, unable to legally work, new Red Light districts have popped up and the World's Oldest Profession is being openly plied. (video at link)

https://x.com/RebsBrannon/status/1706479215007199338?s=20

Quote
New York City’s Red Light District:

Residents and businesses owners fume as prostitutes continue to openly peddle themselves and pull men into brothels on sex-plagued Roosevelt Avenue.

A friend who walked with me was propositioned numerous times -
prostitutes quickly let go of him and walked away when they realized I was recording. #NYC

I am entertained the the lady is wearing a mask outside to (presumably) prtect from viruses, then takes a stranger upstairs, where (again presumably) there will be plenty of heavy breathing.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on September 26, 2023, 02:44:34 PM
^^^

It looked like almost every one of them in the video was Asian. Seems like maybe some human traffiking going on as well "not enough jobs".
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 27, 2023, 06:06:06 PM
Quote
    Wow.

    Fox colleague @hillary__vaughn asked Democratic Congressman @RepHankJohnson about record high illegal crossings at border.

    His response?

    “They’re not crossing into the U.S. illegally. They're sitting at the border seeking asylum.”

    Completely detached from reality.
    — Bill Melugin (@BillMelugin_) September 27, 2023
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/09/27/heres-more-proof-that-rep-hank-johnson-is-completely-detached-from-reality-n2387830

Yeah, WOW!
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 28, 2023, 01:10:20 PM
And more wow

"the border is secure"

Massachusetts Democrat shocks reporter by repeatedly insisting the 'border is secure'
https://www.foxnews.com/media/massachusetts-democrat-shocks-reporter-repeatedly-insisting-border-secure

Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: JTHunter on September 28, 2023, 06:06:13 PM
Ooo, I like this comment !!

Quote
I don't see old men and women with young children escaping tyrannical regimes.

I see military aged, fit men invading a country under the guise of asylum.

I see the foundations of dangerous sleeper cells being formed here 14 months away from the biggest election of our lives.
    — JD Sharp (@imjdsharp) September 27, 2023
(emphasis added)
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 28, 2023, 07:35:42 PM
 [popcorn]

Quote
    Just arriving at Eagle Pass. Will start X livestream soon, so you can see the border situation in real-time.
    — Elon Musk (@elonmusk) September 28, 2023
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/09/28/elon-musk-starts-live-streaming-from-eagle-pass-n2387906

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1707524211567116565?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

But for some strange reason X(twitter) is overloaded all of a sudden.  [tinfoil]

Quote
The good news is that Elon Musk has arrived in Eagle Pass to get a look for himself at the situation at the border. The bad news is that we don't have much to share with you, as X seems to be overloaded. We have about 4 minutes of footage. Hopefully, he'll shoot some video and upload it later.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on September 28, 2023, 08:43:19 PM
I wonder what mechanisms the .Gov could deploy to overload and shut down a targeted website.

More importantly I wonder if they can cover their tracks from the tech bros at X.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: RocketMan on September 29, 2023, 10:24:22 AM
I wonder what mechanisms the .Gov could deploy to overload and shut down a targeted website.

More importantly I wonder if they can cover their tracks from the tech bros at X.

What makes you think it was the .gov causing problems at X?  There's enough flaming lefty tech bros still at X to throttle things back.  Can't have their ideology, worldview and agenda threatened.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 29, 2023, 10:28:14 AM
What makes you think it was the .gov causing problems at X?  There's enough flaming lefty tech bros still at X to throttle things back.  Can't have their ideology, worldview and agenda threatened.

Elon is still playing whack-a-mole with them.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 29, 2023, 10:35:15 AM
Elon at the border
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1707565081750290910

Over 11,000 daily.
Meanwhile sanctuary cities who voted for this *expletive deleted*it get a handful in comparison and they start screaming no fair
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on September 29, 2023, 11:19:04 AM
What makes you think it was the .gov causing problems at X?  There's enough flaming lefty tech bros still at X to throttle things back.  Can't have their ideology, worldview and agenda threatened.

Because fed.gov has the largest vested interest in making sure that the conditions at the border remain deniable, and that's what was blocked.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 29, 2023, 12:19:13 PM
Quote
    Why do so many American politicians from both parties care 100 times more about the Ukraine border than the USA border?
    — Elon Musk (@elonmusk) September 29, 2023
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/09/29/elon-musk-made-social-media-explode-with-this-simple-question-about-border-priorities-n2387913
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Pb on September 29, 2023, 01:21:03 PM
What difference does it make that this point.  Virtually none of them will ever be deported.  They will have anchor babies, get on welfare and eventually be amnestied to vote for democrats.  In the event of no amnesty, all their millions of kids will be voting for democrats anyway, it will just take a little longer.

The GOP committed slow motion suicide years ago with its refusal to crack down on immigration, legal and illegal.  The entire country will eventually have the political sensibilities of California.  If some states are holdouts, the Feds will just screw them over.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on September 29, 2023, 02:27:45 PM
What difference does it make that this point.  Virtually none of them will ever be deported.  They will have anchor babies, get on welfare and eventually be amnestied to vote for democrats.  In the event of no amnesty, all their millions of kids will be voting for democrats anyway, it will just take a little longer.

The GOP committed slow motion suicide years ago with its refusal to crack down on immigration, legal and illegal.  The entire country will eventually have the political sensibilities of California.  If some states are holdouts, the Feds will just screw them over.

That's overly optimistic.  Among other things we've imported is the numbness to and willingness to use violence so rampant in Africa and South America.  We'll be shooting each other long before those anchor babies reach voting age.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Pb on September 29, 2023, 03:39:00 PM
We'll be shooting each other long before those anchor babies reach voting age.

That hasn't happened in CA. 
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on September 29, 2023, 03:50:55 PM
That hasn't happened in CA.

Go to Oakland.   =D


Kidding aside, the Mexicans that came in in the 90s and 2000s are very different culturally than The Africans and South Americans coming in now.  Sweden and France are better indicators of what happens when African 20 somethings fail to aculturize.  And the only reason they aren't shooting each other, is the natives don't have guns.

Also look at things like the recent machete attacks in NYC, the ongoing low-level Somali violence in MSP and Chicago's steady escalation of violence.  Contrast that with the native Urban Americans cultural belief that they can do whatever they want, to whomever they want and any response is racism.  Those cultures will collide violently in the near future.  Honestly the native Urbanites are lucky (or wiley) that they have been picking on mostly older north-east Asians.  That culture is much more likely to just take getting beat up.  I promise some youths playing the knockout game with Somali's or Algerians will end differently.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 29, 2023, 08:25:55 PM
Biden Administration Reports Dangerous African Immigrant At Border
https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-administration-reports-dangerous-african-immigrant-at-border

Quote
"This is serious, folks," President Joe Biden said in brief remarks to reporters. "We've received reports of a very menacing African man roaming the region. Everyone knows I'm a long-time advocate for keeping an eye on these African fellas. This one is especially dangerous. He's here to…here to…he's got all of the…he runs the…the...the thing. Rocketship."

Know who he's talking about?  :rofl:
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: JTHunter on September 29, 2023, 11:48:48 PM
Go to Oakland.   =D

Kidding aside, the Mexicans that came in in the 90s and 2000s are very different culturally than The Africans and South Americans coming in now.  Sweden and France are better indicators of what happens when African 20 somethings fail to aculturize.  And the only reason they aren't shooting each other, is the natives don't have guns.

Also look at things like the recent machete attacks in NYC, the ongoing low-level Somali violence in MSP and Chicago's steady escalation of violence.  Contrast that with the native Urban Americans cultural belief that they can do whatever they want, to whomever they want and any response is racism.  Those cultures will collide violently in the near future.  Honestly the native Urbanites are lucky (or wiley) that they have been picking on mostly older north-east Asians.  That culture is much more likely to just take getting beat up.  I promise some youths playing the knockout game with Somali's or Algerians will end differently.

So instead, they gather in gangs and run around beating the living daylights out of the citizens of those countries.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: RocketMan on September 30, 2023, 10:14:48 AM
Because fed.gov has the largest vested interest in making sure that the conditions at the border remain deniable, and that's what was blocked.

The point being why would the fed.gov have to do the work when the lefty tech bros at X would likely do it without being asked.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on September 30, 2023, 12:41:34 PM
Biden Administration Reports Dangerous African Immigrant At Border
https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-administration-reports-dangerous-african-immigrant-at-border

Know who he's talking about?  :rofl:

Elon playing along with the Babylon Bee   :rofl:

https://twitter.com/ElonMuskAOC/status/1707865213008322669?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on October 03, 2023, 05:49:50 PM
More voters in Minnesota:

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/10/03/illegal-immigrants-can-now-obtain-drivers-licenses-in-minnesota-n2388090
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: JTHunter on October 04, 2023, 12:07:06 AM
More voters in Minnesota:

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/10/03/illegal-immigrants-can-now-obtain-drivers-licenses-in-minnesota-n2388090

IL-ANNOY's Gov. "Jabba" is doing the same thing, drive & vote to noncitizens.  :facepalm:  [barf]
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: RocketMan on October 05, 2023, 09:38:12 AM
Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas has decided that there is an immediate need additional border wall to be installed.

https://justthenews.com/government/security/mayorkas-waves-environmental-laws-build-border-wall-amid-surge-illegal (https://justthenews.com/government/security/mayorkas-waves-environmental-laws-build-border-wall-amid-surge-illegal)

I think his real motivation is that he thinks the additional wall will allow better control over his "catch and release" program for illegals entering the country.  It will funnel illegals into areas where the DHS can more efficiently process them before being released into the USA.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on October 05, 2023, 09:48:03 AM
Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas has decided that there is an immediate need additional border wall to be installed.

https://justthenews.com/government/security/mayorkas-waves-environmental-laws-build-border-wall-amid-surge-illegal (https://justthenews.com/government/security/mayorkas-waves-environmental-laws-build-border-wall-amid-surge-illegal)

I think his real motivation is that he thinks the additional wall will allow better control over his "catch and release" program for illegals entering the country.  It will funnel illegals into areas where the DHS can more efficiently process them before being released into the USA.

Smoke and mirrors with the election just a little over a year away and they've noticed some solid blue areas are starting to get POed about illegals showing up there.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: charby on October 05, 2023, 10:04:19 AM
I saw an article that due to the influx of migrants into Foxboro, MA, many hotel rooms for the Army-Navy game are being cancelled since the hotels have a contract with the state to house refugees.

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/army-navy-hotel-rooms-migrants-massachusetts-foxboro/
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on October 05, 2023, 10:35:10 AM
hotels have a contract with the state to house refugees illegal immigrants.

Pretty much none of them are refugees.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on October 05, 2023, 10:36:59 AM
Of note in the above article

Quote
The Department of Homeland Security announced the plan to bypass long drawn-out environmental reviews in order to expedite border wall construction in Starr County, TX as the administration struggles to handle an ongoing migrant crisis that has strained local and federal resources.

Elon: "Must be nice"
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on October 05, 2023, 10:40:06 AM
Genius: Vacationing Family Poses As Illegal Immigrants To Get Free Hotel Room In New York City
https://babylonbee.com/news/genius-frugal-family-poses-as-illegal-immigrants-to-get-free-hotel-oom-in-nyc
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on October 05, 2023, 10:40:25 AM
Of note in the above article

Elon: "Must be nice"

Yup. "Waiving 26 Federal laws". Isn't that impeachable for a Republican President?

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/mayorkas-to-expedite-construction-of-border-wall-in-texas-amid-illegal-immigration-surge-5504330
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: charby on October 05, 2023, 11:26:49 AM
Pretty much none of them are refugees.

I disagree, parts of southern Mexico and into central America are not the nicest places to live if you aren't connected to the cartels. They really don't have any options, governments are corrupt there, US isn't going to declare all-out war on the cartels, so what are they supposed to do? If you are a true believer of Christ, it is extremely un-Christian to ignore their plight.

Also, whitey isn't pumping out children anymore either, so we do need the bodies to fill employment.

All the 20th century US meddling around in Latin America and the US war on drugs created that environment that the people are fleeing from.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on October 05, 2023, 01:22:56 PM
EPIC Thread HUMILIATES Lefties/Dems who attacked Trump for building the wall Biden NOW wants built
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/05/thread-humiliates-lefties-who-once-claimed-trumps-wall-was-racist-is-it-still-racist-under-biden-n2388157

And for those with VIP access a rather striking comparison to opinions about a border wall past and present coming from Biden and gang

Biden & KJP's takes on border walls have changed a LOT in a very short time
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/10/05/biden-whs-take-on-border-walls-has-changed-a-lot-in-just-12-short-months-kjp-shotchaser-n2388156

(https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/tw/images/up/2023/278/76fc27ea-d228-45f6-b417-bccf43cb18fc-650x0.JPG)
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on October 05, 2023, 01:29:07 PM

All the 20th century US meddling around in Latin America and the US war on drugs created that environment that the people are fleeing from.

Citation needed. 

All the 20th Century Latin American flirting with Socialism and Communism combined with a cultural tolerance for corruption created that environment.  The US is under no moral obligation to accept anyone that shows up at our border with a claim that they are fleeing a country not as good as ours.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on October 05, 2023, 01:34:42 PM
So I guess Republicans are letting Joe close the border now?  [popcorn]
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on October 05, 2023, 01:38:49 PM
Citation needed. 

All the 20th Century Latin American flirting with Socialism and Communism combined with a cultural tolerance for corruption created that environment.  The US is under no moral obligation to accept anyone that shows up at our border with a claim that they are fleeing a country not as good as ours.

In fact if I recall correctly, the international standard is "first free country", not "whatever country I want".

My mother was an actual refugee in WW2, and I still recall her story of the choice of either going barefoot, or taking the boots off one of the bloated dead guys on the side of the road, as everyone in their group had to do.

The "refugees" that show up at our border wear Nikes, logo t-shirt, and more often than not, have a phone in one hand and a bag from the Burger King in Ciudad Juarez in the other. Because Mexico has a thriving economy and large middle class with suburbs and everything, and that's where the "refugees" should have stopped.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on October 05, 2023, 01:44:27 PM
But Joe and gang have been saying the border was closed and safe and secure for months/years.
Note how it's the Texas Rangers doing this and not the feds

America's border war has begun: TODD BENSMAN's dramatic eyewitness report on Texas' invasion of a Mexican cartel island crawling with gang members and ringed with sniper nests... and it's all happening INSIDE the U.S.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12589871/mexico-cartel-texas-invasion-border-war-todd-bensman.html
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: charby on October 05, 2023, 01:49:46 PM
Citation needed. 

All the 20th Century Latin American flirting with Socialism and Communism combined with a cultural tolerance for corruption created that environment.  The US is under no moral obligation to accept anyone that shows up at our border with a claim that they are fleeing a country not as good as ours.

https://jsri.msu.edu/publications/nexo/vol-xxii/no-2-spring-2019/manmade-immigration-crisis-caused-by-u-s-intervention-in-latin-america
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on October 05, 2023, 02:09:17 PM
https://jsri.msu.edu/publications/nexo/vol-xxii/no-2-spring-2019/manmade-immigration-crisis-caused-by-u-s-intervention-in-latin-america

There's certainly no bias issues with the staff there.  ;/
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: charby on October 05, 2023, 02:10:47 PM
In fact if I recall correctly, the international standard is "first free country", not "whatever country I want".

My mother was an actual refugee in WW2, and I still recall her story of the choice of either going barefoot, or taking the boots off one of the bloated dead guys on the side of the road, as everyone in their group had to do.

The "refugees" that show up at our border wear Nikes, logo t-shirt, and more often than not, have a phone in one hand and a bag from the Burger King in Ciudad Juarez in the other. Because Mexico has a thriving economy and large middle class with suburbs and everything, and that's where the "refugees" should have stopped.

Many of our expensive goods are cheap AF in other countries. I was just in Puerto Vallarta area of Mexico 2 weeks ago, smart phones are cheap and so are plans (internet too). We are really getting screwed in the US. The few street markets I went to had copies of designer goods for cheap AF, I doubt you can tell the difference in a picture.

What I saw in Mexico was every little of the thriving middle class economy you are mentioning. All the nice places were owned (99 year bank trust leases) by Ex-Pats or seasonal tourists from the US and Canada. I'll be back there in 47 days, I can report more on the lack of thriving Mexican middle class if you would like.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on October 05, 2023, 02:11:35 PM
https://jsri.msu.edu/publications/nexo/vol-xxii/no-2-spring-2019/manmade-immigration-crisis-caused-by-u-s-intervention-in-latin-america

An opinion piece only proves that others share your opinion, it does not provide evidence.  An anonymous opinion piece lacks even that shred of credibility.

There are many that believe as you do, that the US caused the current problems with Latin America, and while I never defend the War on [some] Drugs, and it hasn't helped the situation, it's not the driving factor.

Indeed the US Intellectual class' determination to overlook other folk's self determination is one of the few bastions of real racisms left in this country.  Latin America had help from the US and Europe, but their people, their culture, and to a great extant their Criminals are what led them to where they are now.  If they don't fix those issues, no amount of action or inaction from the US will fix it.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: charby on October 05, 2023, 02:22:11 PM
An opinion piece only proves that others share your opinion, it does not provide evidence.  An anonymous opinion piece lacks even that shred of credibility.

There are many that believe as you do, that the US caused the current problems with Latin America, and while I never defend the War on [some] Drugs, and it hasn't helped the situation, it's not the driving factor.

Indeed the US Intellectual class' determination to overlook other folk's self determination is one of the few bastions of real racisms left in this country.  Latin America had help from the US and Europe, but their people, their culture, and to a great extant their Criminals are what led them to where they are now.  If they don't fix those issues, no amount of action or inaction from the US will fix it.

You're not going to change my mind on that US Foreign Policy in Latin America caused the current problems and the immigration issues.

Just like Britian caused all the modern issues in the Middle East. Also the geopolitical problems in Africa stem from the European colonialism era.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on October 05, 2023, 02:31:56 PM
You're not going to change my mind on that US Foreign Policy in Latin America caused the current problems and the immigration issues.

Just like Britian caused all the modern issues in the Middle East. Also the geopolitical problems in Africa stem from the European colonialism era.

Right.  Because you believe brown people have no ability to self-determine, self-govern, or shape the future of any government or society they are a part of for decades, or centuries.  They can only react to what the white man does to them.  They have no ability to adapt their culture successfully.

Like a racist.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: charby on October 05, 2023, 02:41:32 PM
Right.  Because you believe brown people have no ability to self-determine, self-govern, or shape the future of any government or society they are a part of for decades, or centuries.  They can only react to what the white man does to them.  They have no ability to adapt their culture successfully.

Like a racist.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on October 05, 2023, 02:45:13 PM
Have a friend from the Dominican Republic.
In his opinion the only time the country was worth a darn was when the US occupied it.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on October 05, 2023, 03:00:10 PM
What I saw in Mexico was every little of the thriving middle class economy you are mentioning. All the nice places were owned (99 year bank trust leases) by Ex-Pats or seasonal tourists from the US and Canada. I'll be back there in 47 days, I can report more on the lack of thriving Mexican middle class if you would like.

Certainly as you are the only APS member, or American even, to have spent any time in Mexico or Central America, I look forward to your report.

Certainly Mexico is very third world. No Burger Kings, KFCs, Walmarts, or Costcos.

https://www.google.com/maps/@31.699999,-106.4331871,14.03z?authuser=0&entry=ttu
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on October 05, 2023, 03:11:03 PM
Also the geopolitical problems in Africa stem from the European colonialism era.

Wow. Those are some powerful drugs you're popping there.

Africans have been killing and enslaving Africans for as long as there have been Africans. If anything, the iron hand of European colonialism slowed down the slaughter and tribal ethnic cleansings.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: charby on October 05, 2023, 03:25:28 PM
Wow. Those are some powerful drugs you're popping there.

Africans have been killing and enslaving Africans for as long as there have been Africans. If anything, the iron hand of European colonialism slowed down the slaughter and tribal ethnic cleansings.

Yep, because they pacified with the barrel of a gun while they exploited the resources they wanted. They also genocided people that wouldn't play ball too. Pitted tribes against each other, drew lines on a map that didn't fit the historic tribal boundaries, etc.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: cordex on October 05, 2023, 03:46:09 PM
Iron Eyes Charby sadly watching the white man cause all the world’s problems while a single tear inches down his face.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: charby on October 05, 2023, 03:55:16 PM
Iron Eyes Charby sadly watching the white man cause all the world’s problems while a single tear inches down his face.

Absolutism Cordex is joining the party too. 
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: cordex on October 05, 2023, 04:00:47 PM
Absolutism Cordex is joining the party too.
???

“Autism Cordex” would have been funnier. Not as funny as Iron Eyes Charby though.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on October 05, 2023, 07:40:56 PM
Iron Eyes Charby sadly watching the white man cause all the world’s problems while a single tear inches down his face.

I didn't know Charby was Italian



In case you don't get it Iron Eyes Cody's real name was Espera Oscar de Corti and his parents were Italian. Mother Sicilian technically
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on October 06, 2023, 08:36:30 AM
Quote
    "Reversal" is absolutely false.

    Fact: Congress is forcing us to do this under a 2019 law.

    Fact: We called on Congress to cancel these funds. They didn't.

    We follow the rule of law.

    Congress needs to stop delaying the effective border solutions @POTUS proposed. https://t.co/drg03djpGe
    — Andrew Bates (@AndrewJBates46) October 5, 2023
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/10/05/white-house-spox-says-theyre-been-no-reversal-we-follow-the-rule-of-law-n2388179


There was no reversal! Got it?

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Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: RocketMan on October 06, 2023, 08:47:32 AM
Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas has decided that there is an immediate need additional border wall to be installed.

https://justthenews.com/government/security/mayorkas-waves-environmental-laws-build-border-wall-amid-surge-illegal (https://justthenews.com/government/security/mayorkas-waves-environmental-laws-build-border-wall-amid-surge-illegal)

I think his real motivation is that he thinks the additional wall will allow better control over his "catch and release" program for illegals entering the country.  It will funnel illegals into areas where the DHS can more efficiently process them before being released into the USA.

According to this story in Breitbart, I may have been correct.  Sec. Mayorkas is only building a few more miles of wall to redirect illegal immigrants to border crossing areas where they can be processed more efficiently and then released into the country.

Quote
The extra miles of border are not intended to stop the job-seeking economic migrants. Instead, Alejandro Mayorkas, the Cuban-born Secretary of Homeland Security, is asking migrants to safely register at the official gates along the border so they can be quickly released into U.S. society.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/10/04/mayorkas-sets-plan-build-more-border-wall/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/10/04/mayorkas-sets-plan-build-more-border-wall/)
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: MechAg94 on October 06, 2023, 11:00:39 AM
That sounds more like Democrats.  They will still let them in.  They just have to do something about the optics. 
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on October 06, 2023, 11:51:41 AM
AOC is not happy (surprise!) and according to this they are restarting deporting Venezuelans

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The Biden administration will resume deporting Venezuelans in another stark reversal on migration policy - as staunch Democrat Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez slammed the president for his 'cruel' move to resume border wall construction.

Ocasio-Cortez shamed Joe Biden and urged him to 'reverse course' after he launched new stretches of border barriers, a signature policy of Donald Trump that the president previously decried.

Quote
Meanwhile, the US will resume deporting Venezuelan migrants, the largest single group encountered at the southern border last month, back to their economically troubled socialist country.

AOC demands Biden 'takes responsibility and reverse' border wall construction - as president U-turns AGAIN and starts deporting thousands of Venezuelans to combat migrant surge
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12600653/AOC-Biden-border-wall-deporting-Venezuelans.html
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on October 06, 2023, 07:06:13 PM
Biden Approves Continuation Of Border Wall After Getting 10% Kickback From Construction Company
https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-approves-continuation-of-border-wall-after-getting-10-kickback-from-construction-company



BTW:Babylon Bee
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: HankB on October 06, 2023, 08:54:52 PM
Biden Approves Continuation Of Border Wall After Getting 10% Kickback From Construction Company
https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-approves-continuation-of-border-wall-after-getting-10-kickback-from-construction-company



BTW:Babylon Bee
I wonder if the uninstalled sections of wall that the Biden Administration has been selling off for pennies on the dollar are going to be bought back at a higher price, with "someone" pocketing the difference . . .
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: K Frame on October 07, 2023, 07:58:06 AM
And, of course, AOC is losing her *expletive deleted*it over this...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-demands-biden-reverse-course-border-wall-construction-migrant-surge-cruel-policy
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: JN01 on October 07, 2023, 04:31:58 PM
They have to show they are doing something, I bet they put up 500 miles of new wall--- a foot high. =)
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on October 07, 2023, 04:33:39 PM
They have to show they are doing something, I bet they put up 500 miles of new wall--- a foot high. =)

Will effect little people of color the most.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: HankB on October 08, 2023, 08:07:15 AM
Will effect little people of color the most.
They won't be happy about it.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/t3VO3I1VRm8/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on October 08, 2023, 08:08:40 AM
They won't be happy about it.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/t3VO3I1VRm8/maxresdefault.jpg)

Blue Lives Matter
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: JTHunter on October 09, 2023, 10:12:29 PM
 :facepalm: Good grief !  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on October 26, 2023, 05:20:34 PM
There are 38 states with a smaller population than the number of illegals entering the country since Biden. Imagine if they were their own state - they would have election swaying electoral votes.

https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/10/26/yikes-under-biden-number-of-immigrants-whove-crossed-the-border-larger-than-population-of-38-states-n2389017
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: RocketMan on October 26, 2023, 05:25:15 PM
There are 38 states with a smaller population than the number of illegals entering the country since Biden. Imagine if they were their own state - they would have election swaying electoral votes.

https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/10/26/yikes-under-biden-number-of-immigrants-whove-crossed-the-border-larger-than-population-of-38-states-n2389017

I'm sure enough of them vote to already sway elections in some states.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on October 26, 2023, 05:40:57 PM
I'm sure enough of them vote to already sway elections in some states.

Word.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ron on October 26, 2023, 09:22:01 PM
You must shoulder the white mans burden throughout the world and flood your own land with violent fighting age males, destroying your country and culture because reasons and feels.

Waging war across the globe and swamping the country with third world violent thugs is the Christian thing to do!

None dare call it treason and apostasy.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on October 27, 2023, 12:59:34 PM
Quote
    "We should protect our immigrants." Period.

    Yes, New York City will remain a sanctuary city under an Adams administration. #EricOnNBC
    — Eric Adams (@ericadamsfornyc) October 20, 2021

After they actually show up

Quote
    NYC is offering migrants one-way plane tickets to leave the city https://t.co/0CRYeC1sLW
    — Axios (@axios) October 27, 2023


Mayor Adams' Offer to 'Migrants' Means NYC's Sanctuary City Status is False Advertising
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/10/27/mayor-adams-offer-to-migrants-makes-nycs-sanctuary-city-status-look-like-false-advertising-n2389091
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on October 31, 2023, 01:15:54 PM
Meanwhile while we're distracted by Ukraine's and Israel's border problems.

U.S. migrant crisis: 5,000 march toward the border in the BIGGEST caravan of undocumented immigrants in more than a year amid delays at immigration centers in Mexico
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12693327/Caravan-5000-migrants-Mexico-United-States-border.html

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/31/15/77224589-12693327-image-a-1_1698765302164.jpg)
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on November 02, 2023, 01:29:47 PM
FBI raids Brooklyn home of Brianna Suggs, NYC Mayor Eric Adams' fundraising chief
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12703487/FBI-raids-home-Eric-Adams-fundraising-chief-Brianna-Suggs.html

Right after Adams started publicly slamming the Biden admin over immigration

(https://i.imgur.com/Ffl7MTN.png)

Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on November 12, 2023, 10:41:48 AM
Chicago sucks!

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Since August last year, 20,700 migrants have arrived in Chicago from Texas. The Lone Star State's Governor Greg Abbott sent migrants to Chicago and other Democrat-run cities because of their proud status as 'sanctuary cities.' They offer enhanced protection against detention or deportation for undocumented migrants.

Now, Illinois' harsh winters, lack of migrant infrastructure, and ambivalent support from locals has made many people, who undertook the harsh US-Mexico border journey, actually turn around and go back home.

Venezuela-born Michael Castejon, 39, and his family have been sleeping on the floors of police stations and shelters after he could not afford to pay rent in Chicago - because his work permit was taking so long to arrive.

Quote
Castejon said the failed journey to settle in the US had not been worth it, despite the extreme poverty and an authoritarian regime they were living under in Venezuela.

After months of begging for money and crossing borders, the dreams that he had heard of from other migrants had failed to materialize for him, he revealed.

Michael Castejon, 39, told the Chicago Tribune: 'The American Dream doesn't exist anymore. There's nothing here for us.

Chicago is so unpleasant migrants are fleeing BACK to Venezuela after being dumped in shelters and refused jobs, with 20,700 border crossers so-far bused to Dem-run 'sanctuary city'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12739955/Chicago-unpleasant-migrants-fleeing-Venezuela-shelters.html
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on November 24, 2023, 09:58:12 AM
FBI raids Brooklyn home of Brianna Suggs, NYC Mayor Eric Adams' fundraising chief
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12703487/FBI-raids-home-Eric-Adams-fundraising-chief-Brianna-Suggs.html

Right after Adams started publicly slamming the Biden admin over immigration

(https://i.imgur.com/Ffl7MTN.png)

But wait, there's more

Quote
End Wokeness
@EndWokeness
Mayor Eric Adams finally had the guts to call out Biden for the border crisis.

Almost immediately after, the FBI opened a bribery investigation against him.

Then they seized his phones and iPads.

Now a liberal activist came forward and is accusing him of sexual assault from 3 decades ago.
https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1727758682568499352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

What We're Watching Happen to Eric Adams in Real-Time Sure Looks like Dems are Eating Their OWN
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/11/24/eric-adams-n2390121

 [tinfoil] [popcorn]

Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: 230RN on November 24, 2023, 11:27:59 AM
I just wish to hell the media (and others) would stop calling them "migrants."  While technically correct in the sense that they are people who are moving around, it is incorrect since it does not include the fact that they are illegal.

To me, that's lying by omission.

They are illegal migrants or immigrants, and let's not let the media and dumb *expletive deleted*it politicians forget that.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ron on November 24, 2023, 11:57:45 AM
Mass immigration, legal or not is war upon the people of the country.

Unfortunately, we've already lost that stage of the war.

Not looking forward to the next phase of what they have in store for us.

Importing low IQ third worlders with low impulse control and no cultural connection to the nation as "foot soldiers" is probably not going to lead to times of peace and prosperity.

Heritage America was already being outbred, TPTB just turned the dial to 11.

If you reject the concept of replacement theory you have your head in your butt.

Demoralize and destroy the native populations culture, import new citizens is a time tested tactic of destroying nations and empires. At the very least, in the short term, it will consolidate TPTBs control of the land and resources. 
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on November 24, 2023, 01:07:37 PM
I just wish to hell the media (and others) would stop calling them "migrants."  While technically correct in the sense that they are people who are moving around, it is incorrect since it does not include the fact that they are illegal.

To me, that's lying by omission.

They are illegal migrants or immigrants, and let's not let the media and dumb *expletive deleted*it politicians forget that.

The vast majority of the current wave, and almost certainly the Venezuelan quoted in that story aren't illegal.

They presented themselves at the border, requested asylum in the US, and are waiting for their determination to work it's way through the system.

That is allowed under current US immigration laws.  We no longer require asylum to be asked for in the first country they get to, or while still in their own country.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: RocketMan on November 24, 2023, 01:17:15 PM
The vast majority of the current wave, and almost certainly the Venezuelan quoted in that story aren't illegal.

They presented themselves at the border, requested asylum in the US, and are waiting for their determination to work it's way through the system.

That is allowed under current US immigration laws.  We no longer require asylum to be asked for in the first country they get to, or while still in their own country.

No, they are being allowed into the country by executive orders upending and bypassing legislation passed by congress and signed into law.  Hence, illegal.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on November 24, 2023, 01:20:27 PM
That is allowed under current US immigration laws.  We no longer require asylum to be asked for in the first country they get to, or while still in their own country.

Which is absolutely stupid. Besides the fact that 90% of these individuals are job and free stuff seekers despite their "asylum" claim, asylum should mean "I need to GTFO to the first safe place". It shouldn't be a menu of countries.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on November 24, 2023, 05:24:10 PM
I didn't say it wasn't stupid, I said it was in compliance with current US immigration policy.

Rocketman, I am willing to learn but it was my understanding that the current migrant surge was following current immigration policy. That's why Border Patrol was cutting the barbed wire, because those folks were making an asylum claim and had to be processed.

I know the various changes in where asylum can be requested are coming from the executive branch, but I have to think of they were flat breaking immigration law DHS would be in court over it and to my knowledge they aren't.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 24, 2023, 06:26:52 PM
A federal cabinet level agency doesn't take the federal government to court without a sign-off from the head of the agency. Who do you think is issuing the marching orders?
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on November 24, 2023, 06:33:47 PM
A federal cabinet level agency doesn't take the federal government to court without a sign-off from the head of the agency. Who do you think is issuing the marching orders?

Texas would have.


I don't really want to get into a multi post back and forth on an immigration policy I also disagree with.

I was responding directly to Terry's post complaining that the conversation had lessened the impact by dropping the illegal adjective from the description.  And more widely since Terry has been on a roll advocating for precision in language on here recently. (A goal I also agree with)

For all that it's retarded and destructive,  the current wave of South American migrants seem to be complying with current US asylum policy and are not illegally in the country once they have been processed and released. Another reason why shipping them to Sanctuary Cities is so poetic.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: JTHunter on November 24, 2023, 10:42:34 PM
Face it people, these are NOT "migrants, legal or otherwise !!   :facepalm:
These are INVADERS, sent by their countries and allowed by ours, to undermine and destroy our economy and political system.
  [barf]
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: 230RN on November 25, 2023, 07:43:09 AM
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The Constitution, however, is silent on immigration. That is, the federal government is not explicitly granted a general power to exclude or remove noncitizens from the United States. Nevertheless, U.S. courts have allowed the federal government to exercise such a power.
https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/federal-role-immigration/

But:
10th Amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Ratified by Required Number of States, December 15, 1791.

The Courts, unhappily,  often ignore the provisions of the Constitution to our detriment. They are frequently intoxicated by their own verbosity.

I doubt that Texas (or New Mexico, or Arizona) would have allowed this... invasion... if it had retained the power to regulate international "immigration" to itself, per 10A, after 1845.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on December 02, 2023, 07:51:46 AM
Guess Malibu beach is going to need a wall

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Astonishing footage captured a boat filled with migrants landing on the beach in ritzy Malibu - close to the home of famed bleeding-heart liberal Barbra Streisand.

Around 25 people were seen leaping out of the vessel around 1am November 28, near the $100 million compound of Streisand an arch critic of Donald Trump, who called his border wall a 'monument to himself'.

The migrants all appear to have quickly fled the scene, meaning neither Streisand nor the scores of other wealthy, anti-border wall stars living in the area had to help them out, or offer shelter.

 Barbra Streisand has lots of spare room! Astonishing moment boat full of migrant lands on MALIBU beach over 100 miles from Mexico-California border, close to home of megastar who lashed Trump's wall
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12816261/migrants-malibu-boat-barbra-streisand-trump-wall.html
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on December 02, 2023, 08:03:09 AM
Guess Malibu beach is going to need a wall

 Barbra Streisand has lots of spare room! Astonishing moment boat full of migrant lands on MALIBU beach over 100 miles from Mexico-California border, close to home of megastar who lashed Trump's wall
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12816261/migrants-malibu-boat-barbra-streisand-trump-wall.html

That has been going on for around 15 years, from San Diego all the way up to Vandenberg. Pangas like that are mostly people with some drugs, while the cartel super pangas are mostly drugs with some people.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on December 02, 2023, 08:05:07 AM
That has been going on for around 15 years, from San Diego all the way up to Vandenberg. Pangas like that are mostly people with some drugs, while the cartel super pangas are mostly drugs with some people.

And they've been welcoming them into their homes right? They have plenty of room in those mansions right?. I mean why have 10 extra bedrooms and not use them?
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on December 05, 2023, 08:02:25 AM
More Chinese "immigrants" walking across the border. I'm positive that none of them are South China Swords or MSS.

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/12/04/large-group-of-chinese-nationals-crosses-illegally-into-california-n2390483
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on December 05, 2023, 08:20:51 AM
And here's Dick Durbin wanting to lower the standards for the military even lower.

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    Senator Dick Durbin wants to make it possible for illegal immigrants to join the US military: "Do you know what the recruiting numbers are at the Army, the Navy, and the Air Force? They can't reach their quotas each month. They can't find enough people to join." pic.twitter.com/UWuGSfrSkF
    — TheBlaze (@theblaze) December 4, 2023

Yeah, I can see that going well.

Rome Falls a Second Time: Dick Durbin Proposes Letting Illegal Immigrants Into the Military
https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2023/12/05/dick-durbin-illegal-immigrants-in-the-military-n2390487

Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on December 05, 2023, 08:33:32 AM
Yeah, I can see that going well.

Certainly if you're a "We have F15s and nukes" politician, it's a good way to recruit people more likely to follow your orders, regardless of their constitutionality.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on December 07, 2023, 06:13:57 PM
I'm just going to drop this here and go pour myself a drink

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    Karine Jean-Pierre says it's "stunning" that Republicans are demanding a secure border: "History will remember them harshly!" pic.twitter.com/U53xqtnjKn
    — RNC Research (@RNCResearch) December 7, 2023

"Stunning"  :facepalm:

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/12/07/karine-jean-pierre-says-its-stunning-that-the-gop-is-demanding-border-control-n2390604
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on December 11, 2023, 07:58:08 PM
Chicago mayor suing bus companies

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Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson has begun filing dozens of lawsuits against "rogue" bus companies transporting migrants from the southern border.
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"The care of more than 24,400 migrants who have arrived in Chicago since August 2022 has taken on heightened urgency as winter sets in, and tested the limits of how welcoming the city can be," The Tribune reported. "The city has filed 55 lawsuits since it implemented new rules about when and where buses can arrive in mid-November, the Law Department said. The lawsuits address 77 total buses accused of violating the rules, and public records show at least some cases are seeking fines against the bus companies."

Mayor’s office spokesman Cassio Mendoza, in a statement to The Tribune, slammed "rogue, uncoordinated" buses, claiming they are endangering the lives of migrants, and called for bus companies to be held accountable.

Chicago mayor launches lawsuits against companies transporting 'rogue buses' of migrants to city
https://www.foxnews.com/media/chicago-mayor-launches-lawsuits-companies-transporting-rogue-buses-migrants
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: 230RN on December 13, 2023, 10:16:41 AM
My G-d, how the voters roll in...

https://youtu.be/xcBTULF2PEc
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on December 14, 2023, 05:18:25 PM
Can't let the people vote on it

 Chicago lawmakers are slammed for blocking efforts to put sanctuary city status on ballot after Windy City was inundated by 20,000 migrants
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12865715/Chicago-migrants-sanctuary-brandon-johnson-ballot-anthony-beale.html
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 18, 2023, 07:56:25 PM
This could be interesting:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gov-greg-abbott-signs-bill-that-lets-police-arrest-migrants-who-enter-us-illegally/ar-AA1lHh8J

Texas has enacted legislation authorizing Texas law enforcement to arrest illegal immigrants aliens, and authorizing Texas judges to deport them.

I can hardly wait to see what "I closed the border" Brandon will do about this.  [popcorn]
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: charby on December 19, 2023, 10:21:37 AM
This could be interesting:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gov-greg-abbott-signs-bill-that-lets-police-arrest-migrants-who-enter-us-illegally/ar-AA1lHh8J

Texas has enacted legislation authorizing Texas law enforcement to arrest illegal immigrants aliens, and authorizing Texas judges to deport them.

I can hardly wait to see what "I closed the border" Brandon will do about this.  [popcorn]

The question that should be asked/answered...

If an alien waiting for their immigration court date, are they an illegal alien?

As per the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), it is supposed to be 45 days for an interview and 180 days for a decision. Apparently, it is running at close to 2 years for the process to start.

Something else: Asylum seekers are also eligible for work authorization (including receiving a SSN card) if their case has been pending for more six months.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: K Frame on December 19, 2023, 11:17:04 AM
This could be interesting:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gov-greg-abbott-signs-bill-that-lets-police-arrest-migrants-who-enter-us-illegally/ar-AA1lHh8J

Texas has enacted legislation authorizing Texas law enforcement to arrest illegal immigrants aliens, and authorizing Texas judges to deport them.

I can hardly wait to see what "I closed the border" Brandon will do about this.  [popcorn]

Federal injunction in 3, 2, 1....
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 19, 2023, 08:34:49 PM
Chicago mayor suing bus companies

Chicago mayor launches lawsuits against companies transporting 'rogue buses' of migrants to city
https://www.foxnews.com/media/chicago-mayor-launches-lawsuits-companies-transporting-rogue-buses-migrants

Last I knew, our southern border didn't touch Chicago or any part of Illinois. I don't think the City of Chicago has any authority to try to regulate interstate transit.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on December 20, 2023, 09:27:17 AM
I just now saw an interview at the border with some "asylum seekers". It was a group of Indians. They all said the same thing regarding why they are crossing the border: "My life is in danger". Sounds like everyone is being prepped with talking points to work our ridiculously misused asylum laws. Also they were given appointment dates eight years out.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on December 20, 2023, 10:24:20 AM
A sad part is that these people are also being held hostage to AMeriacn Political whims.  No one knows what the American Federal Governmetn will look like in 8 years.  It is not impossible that their hearing comes up, the current fed.gov is doing asylum reform, they are all blanket denied and deported, despite us letting them live here and build a life for damn near a decade.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 20, 2023, 08:13:46 PM
A sad part is that these people are also being held hostage to AMeriacn Political whims.  No one knows what the American Federal Governmetn will look like in 8 years.  It is not impossible that their hearing comes up, the current fed.gov is doing asylum reform, they are all blanket denied and deported, despite us letting them live here and build a life for damn near a decade.

Yep.

It's just plain wrong. They shouldn't be admitted in the first place.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: HankB on December 22, 2023, 07:01:36 AM
The question that should be asked/answered...

If an alien waiting for their immigration court date, are they an illegal alien?

As per the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), it is supposed to be 45 days for an interview and 180 days for a decision. Apparently, it is running at close to 2 years for the process to start.

Something else: Asylum seekers are also eligible for work authorization (including receiving a SSN card) if their case has been pending for more six months.
Just saw a story that in at least one case a court date in 2031 was scheduled for the illegal. That's over 7 years - isn't that de facto amnesty?
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on December 22, 2023, 07:51:34 AM
One of the issues is that our existing Asylum Program is being raped hard.

In theory, I don't have a problem with the idea that folks that are in truly dire straights in other countries could apply for, and receive refuge in the US.  In practice, there's a number of problems with the program including the length of time that it takes to get approval to travel out of somewhere supposedlly dangerous, to the US's inability to decide amongst ourselves how many refugees we'd care to shelter.

On top of that, the current administration is using that frame work to allow anyone that shows up at the border from anywhere slightly poorer or more dangerous than the US to enter the Asylum system, regardless of the actual state of the people at home.  Hence the economic migrants seeking "asylum".  But everyone that says the magic words gets a hearing.

From 1991 to 2021 The US admitted 797,950 asylum seekers (https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-people-seek-asylum-in-the-us/)  and it can be assumed that the system is set up to handle that flow with the normal fed.gov efficiency.  Which is to say, not very well, but not a crisis.  By May of 2023 1.3 million asylum applications waited (https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/refugees-and-asylees-united-states) the 700 or so judges that do this.  There are slightly more than double the number of applications processed in 20 years currently waiting to be looked at.  By that standard 7 years out is looking pretty decent actually.

I'm not making excuses for the politicians whose cynical grab for more voters, bleeding hearts, or incompetency got us here, and Congress needs to put on it's adult pants and actually overhaul immigration policy, while making sure that the Executive actually starts enforcing laws.  But even if we magically dropped a forcefield over the border today, we have a decade of processes and applications to wade through for approval or denial and subsequent deportation.  In the meantime these folks, not all of whom are locust like invaders, will be living here, getting jobs, building businesses, paying taxes, marrying and having kids, etc.  Joe Biden, in the last three years, has bought us an actual Humanitarian Crisis out of the one the Dems fabricated with staged pictures at empty fences.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Pb on December 22, 2023, 09:25:48 AM
They will eventually all vote for democrats, so its all good.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Pb on December 22, 2023, 09:37:16 AM
I am friends with a Ukrainian refugee.  He left with his family when the Russians invaded, and before the government banned men from leaving.  He came in through the Mexican border.  I asked him why he didn't stay in Europe... he said none of the places in Europe he went gave him permission to stay.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on December 22, 2023, 10:15:24 AM
They will eventually all vote for democrats, so its all good.

You clearly don't know any Cuban refugees.

Does your Ukrainian friend lean left?  IME folks from Eastern Europe tend not to vote for the Communist Lite the Dems offer.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on December 22, 2023, 10:34:00 AM
One of the issues is that our existing Asylum Program is being raped hard.

In theory, I don't have a problem with the idea that folks that are in truly dire straights in other countries could apply for, and receive refuge in the US.  In practice, there's a number of problems with the program including the length of time that it takes to get approval to travel out of somewhere supposedlly dangerous, to the US's inability to decide amongst ourselves how many refugees we'd care to shelter.

On top of that, the current administration is using that frame work to allow anyone that shows up at the border from anywhere slightly poorer or more dangerous than the US to enter the Asylum system, regardless of the actual state of the people at home.  Hence the economic migrants seeking "asylum".  But everyone that says the magic words gets a hearing.

I'm not sure of its current state, or whether this was a UN or some other international agreement, but I'd still like to know whatever happened to "first safe country" for asylum seekers. It seems like in many instances, not only the first, but the second and third countries tell people to get lost, or else even help them reach our border, and then in they come with nary a glance.

I agree that our (and other countries - hello Mexico) system needs an overhaul, but part of that needs to include saying no to people that are gaming the asylum system, and telling them to get lost or get in line with the people legally migrating (and again, that needs to be streamlined). "Overhaul" should include a modern version of Ellis Island, where people are legally and medically screened. It wouldn't hurt to re-institute the old system, where people needed to show that they wouldn't be a financial burden, or else had a sponsor.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Pb on December 22, 2023, 10:37:12 AM
You clearly don't know any Cuban refugees.

Does your Ukrainian friend lean left?  IME folks from Eastern Europe tend not to vote for the Communist Lite the Dems offer.

OK, only 90% will vote for Democrats.

I haven't asked my friend about his politics, but he got a communist education as a kid, so I am not hopeful.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Pb on December 22, 2023, 10:44:43 AM


I haven't asked my Ukranian friend about his politics, but based on something he said I am not hopeful.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on December 22, 2023, 11:01:20 AM
I can't speak for the whole community, but the local (Central FL) Mulims are a strange bunch politically.  They tend to like big.gov, and are used to the government being heavy handed but tend to view the things our big.gov left does with something between horror and the burning hatred of 1000 suns.

Voting tends to be all over the place. The districts that include the large Islamic enclaves tend to go with whomever they are bunched with.  If the district reaches out rural it goes red.  If it encludes a bunch of liberals,or the hood, it goes blue.  That leads me to believe the Islamic areas don't have a real strong lean either way.

That's just local to me though.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on December 22, 2023, 11:08:56 AM
I can't speak for the whole community, but the local (Central FL) Mulims are a strange bunch politically.  They tend to like big.gov, and are used to the government being heavy handed but tend to view the things our big.gov left does with something between horror and the burning hatred of 1000 suns.

Voting tends to be all over the place. The districts that include the large Islamic enclaves tend to go with whomever they are bunched with.  If the district reaches out rural it goes red.  If it encludes a bunch of liberals,or the hood, it goes blue.  That leads me to believe the Islamic areas don't have a real strong lean either way.

That's just local to me though.

Many Muslims are horrified by the left's attacks on any traditional idea of family and pushing of LGB(insert letters) lifestyles as the norm.
On the other hand many of them dislike and are even offended by the right's idea of you're in America now, start acting like an American
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on December 23, 2023, 11:23:45 AM
Trespass at the capitol, 20 years in jail. Trespass at the border, free plane ticket and expedited TSA lines at the airport.

https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/12/23/does-this-airports-immigration-line-for-illegals-move-faster-than-the-one-for-legal-citizens-n2391095
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on December 30, 2023, 05:12:11 PM
Official count only, this doesn't count gotaways.

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/12/30/report-there-are-now-more-illegal-immigrants-entering-than-american-births-n2391252
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on January 03, 2024, 11:46:02 AM
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    Migrant encounters at the southern border over the last four Decembers. (3 Biden, 1 Trump).

    December 2023: 302,000+

    December 2022: 252,315

    December 2021: 179,253

    December 2020: 73,994
    — Bill Melugin (@BillMelugin_) January 2, 2024

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    JUST IN: With a straight face and blinking eyelashes, @WhiteHouse @PressSec Karine Jean-Pierre says President @JoeBiden has been doing all he can to protect the US border, but Republicans are standing in the way. WATCH pic.twitter.com/y1HqG9IaG6
    — Simon Ateba (@simonateba) January 2, 2024

Here's a Chaser to Go With Karine Jean-Pierre's Claim Biden's Doing All He Can to Secure the Border
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/01/03/heres-a-chaser-to-go-with-karine-jean-pierres-claim-bidens-doing-all-he-can-to-secure-the-border-n2391341

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on January 03, 2024, 05:06:20 PM
And on that note Mayorkas blames Texas

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"Let me identify one fundamental problem here, and that is the fact that we have one governor in the state of Texas who is refusing to cooperate with other governors and other local officials," Mayorkas said Wednesday on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." 

Emphasizing the need for the country to "stand united" on immigration, Mayorkas said that "it's a remarkable failure of governance to refuse to cooperate with one's fellow local and state officials."

DHS chief Mayorkas calls out Texas for 'failure of governance' amid illegal immigrant crisis and impeachment
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dhs-chief-mayorkas-calls-texas-failure-governance-illegal-immigrant-crisis-impeachment

Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on January 04, 2024, 04:13:20 PM
Chicago mayor suing bus companies

Chicago mayor launches lawsuits against companies transporting 'rogue buses' of migrants to city
https://www.foxnews.com/media/chicago-mayor-launches-lawsuits-companies-transporting-rogue-buses-migrants

And here comes Mayor Adams

NYC Mayor Adams sues Texas bus companies for transporting migrants to sanctuary city, seeks $700 million
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nyc-mayor-adams-sues-texas-bus-companies-for-transporting-migrants-sanctuary-city-seeks-700-million

Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on January 15, 2024, 03:02:57 PM
White Liberal In New York Quietly Removes ‘All Are Welcome Here’ Sign
https://babylonbee.com/news/white-liberal-in-new-york-quietly-removes-all-are-welcome-here-sign
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on January 18, 2024, 03:38:37 PM
Who are you going to believe, the narrative or your lying eyes? The border is secure!

Dan Goldman's FACE While Calling Southern Border Secure Shows Even HE Doesn't Believe His Own BS (Watch)
https://twitter.com/ProudElephantUS/status/1747993580944109600
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on January 18, 2024, 03:59:51 PM
Did CATO Institute go blue pill? I thought they were staunchly libertarian? Or maybe the libertarians are doing a "no borders" thing now?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1747692994487038432

https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2024/01/18/light-him-up-anna-paulina-luna-blasts-catos-david-bier-for-laughing-about-child-trafficking-n2391860
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on January 18, 2024, 04:05:06 PM

https://twitter.com/i/status/1747692994487038432


Some of the comments attacking her  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Pb on January 18, 2024, 07:11:12 PM
Or maybe the libertarians are doing a "no borders" thing now?


Libertarians have advocated unlimited immigration as long as I can recall, among other destructive ideas.  Libertarians are not conservatives.  Like the left, they have little respect for the law or traditional mores.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on January 18, 2024, 07:53:15 PM
Libertarians have advocated unlimited immigration as long as I can recall, among other destructive ideas.  Libertarians are not conservatives.  Like the left, they have little respect for the law or traditional mores.

[Looks at US Justice department, police bodycam videos, and large city DA's]

Yeah, that checks out.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on January 19, 2024, 08:09:51 AM
The next time any of you flies, tell TSA that you don't have ID and to let you on the plane anyway. If I were a terrorist, I'd just give some "asylum seeker" $1000 to tell me their Alien ID number, then freely travel around the country.

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/01/18/illegals-can-opt-out-of-having-their-photo-taken-by-tsa-at-the-airport-n2391911
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on January 19, 2024, 08:14:34 AM
The next time any of you flies, tell TSA that you don't have ID and to let you on the plane anyway. If I were a terrorist, I'd just give some "asylum seeker" $1000 to tell me their Alien ID number, then freely travel around the country.

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/01/18/illegals-can-opt-out-of-having-their-photo-taken-by-tsa-at-the-airport-n2391911

Saw that and this was my reaction  :facepalm:

In the comments

Quote
I think the trifecta would be identifying as an overweight, trans migrant.

- No I.D. required
- Mandatory upgrade to 1st class
- Extra seat provided at no cost.

Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on January 29, 2024, 07:54:22 AM
Interesting footnote on our divided politics: I ran into two separate threads on reddit where the OP included a photo or video, zoomed in, on a Texas "border crossing" that was empty. No migrants, no LE. The OPs claimed that this was the way the entire Texas border looked - that there were no migrants "pouring in". They had thousands of replies agreeing that the migrant crisis is fake news constructed by the Trumpers.

Nevermind the government's own monthly reports, I guess.  ;/
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Pb on January 29, 2024, 10:06:29 AM
[Looks at US Justice department, police bodycam videos, and large city DA's]

Yeah, that checks out.

Very true.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: K Frame on January 29, 2024, 10:29:31 AM
"where the OP included a photo or video, zoomed in, on a Texas "border crossing" that was empty."

All that means is that Greg Abbot has been VERY effective at bussing them to Chicago.   >:D
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on January 30, 2024, 04:56:08 PM
If Trump promises "alligator moats", I will vote for him.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1752370592131461338
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 30, 2024, 09:17:46 PM
If Trump promises "alligator moats", I will vote for him.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1752370592131461338

In 2015 he promised us a wall, and national concealed carry reciprocity.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on January 31, 2024, 07:01:40 AM
Interesting footnote on our divided politics: I ran into two separate threads on reddit where the OP included a photo or video, zoomed in, on a Texas "border crossing" that was empty. No migrants, no LE. The OPs claimed that this was the way the entire Texas border looked - that there were no migrants "pouring in". They had thousands of replies agreeing that the migrant crisis is fake news constructed by the Trumpers.

Nevermind the government's own monthly reports, I guess.  ;/

More on that note
It's all in your racist imagination.

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    There is no border crisis, except for the immigrants themselves. And their treatment isn't what the GOP cares about. They want to prevent them from coming to appease their racist base.
    — David Doney (@David_Charts) January 30, 2024
Quote
    The "border crisis" is a xenophobic mania rooted in the fact that our media mechanically repeats anything claim by the GOP or its partisan press as half true. This "crisis" has only been created to stir up anger and demographic panic and prepare the ground for a fascist president https://t.co/P3MMIcGNPZ
    — Will Stancil (@whstancil) January 30, 2024

Hot Take: There Is No 'Border Crisis,' Just Xenophobic Mania Ginned Up by the Press
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/01/30/hot-take-there-is-no-border-crisis-just-xenophobic-mania-ginned-up-by-the-press-n2392370

Went to that one guys twitter page and wow he's out there in La La land
Underlining mine

Quote
Will Stancil
@whstancil
The GOP has engineered a situation where Texas is quasi-seceding, there's an impeachment , and every member of the party is screeching about the fake border crisis at every opportunity. The Dems were like "Let's impeach Trump, but also... let's work with him."
https://twitter.com/whstancil/status/1752378576039710998

Quote
Will Stancil
@whstancil
It's unbelievable that Democrats still, still, STILL can't figure it out: the GOP is using its dominance of media narratives to lead them, and voters, around by their noses! Anything can be a crisis, anything can be ignored, if the media makes it so.
https://twitter.com/whstancil/status/1752377753913987398



Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on February 02, 2024, 10:08:16 AM
I mentioned above I was seeing a bunch of "This is all made up - there are no migrant hordes at the border" stuff, along with images of empty border crossings. Maybe they weren't propaganda after all. It appears that concertina wire works:



https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/02/02/texas-illegals-down-this-is-how-its-done-sorry-biden-n2392479
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on February 02, 2024, 10:13:17 AM
I mentioned above I was seeing a bunch of "This is all made up - there are no migrant hordes at the border" stuff, along with images of empty border crossings. Maybe they weren't propaganda after all. It appears that concertina wire works:



https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/02/02/texas-illegals-down-this-is-how-its-done-sorry-biden-n2392479

Just saw that. Will bet good money the Biden admin will take full credit and much of the MSM will back that up.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ron on February 03, 2024, 10:20:13 AM
Concerning the flood of legal and illegal immigrants/invaders.

They will soon find the joke is on them. I'm not confident the USA will even be a first world civilization 20 years from now. There are huge problems finding qualified people to keep basic infrastructure maintained and replaced as needed. Looks like the plan is to just run everything into the ground.

 
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Opportunity on February 05, 2024, 09:12:39 AM
Please tell me about this border with Mexico. If, nevertheless, the problem of illegal immigration exists (I do not believe that this is a made-up story) and has existed for so many years, why can’t we really install a reliable fence that prevents such illegal immigration?
I certainly understand that the border is large (I don’t remember, maybe 2 or 3 thousand kilometers), but a lot of time has already passed and during this time it would have been possible to build a new Great Wall of China (with modern technologies and financing opportunities)?
What is the reason?
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: MechAg94 on February 05, 2024, 09:26:23 AM
Please tell me about this border with Mexico. If, nevertheless, the problem of illegal immigration exists (I do not believe that this is a made-up story) and has existed for so many years, why can’t we really install a reliable fence that prevents such illegal immigration?
I certainly understand that the border is large (I don’t remember, maybe 2 or 3 thousand kilometers), but a lot of time has already passed and during this time it would have been possible to build a new Great Wall of China (with modern technologies and financing opportunities)?
What is the reason?
1.  Politics.  Means a portion (majority?) of elected officials support the illegal immigration and have managed to fill our immigration laws/regulations with more loop holes than you can shake a stick at.
2.  A great deal of money is being spent by unspecified parties to support more illegal immigration into 1st world countries.
3.  Free stuff being doled out to non-citizens (see #1). 
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: cordex on February 05, 2024, 09:27:44 AM
Yes, there are certainly obstacles that would need to be overcome in order to reduce illegal immigration through an effective barrier, but you are also correct that it is an issue that could be resolved.

The problem is that there is not a general desire to accomplish that goal.

Many politicians - of both parties, but primarily Democrats - see value in bringing in large quantities of poor immigrants.  While sometimes there is a vague pretense that this is for the moral good of improving the lives of said poor immigrants, the real reasons tend to be:
1. Some businesses benefit from a workforce of illegal immigrants who are willing to work for less than an ever-increasing minimum wage.  These businesses buy politicians.
2. Democrats see political benefit in importing large numbers of people they believe will eventually swell their voting base.
3. Some politicians think there is a net increase in tax revenue because illegal immigrants are unable to take advantage of some benefits while contributing some tax revenue.  I've seen this argued in both directions, though, and I'm not sure which is more correct.

So, lack of will, not of capability.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Opportunity on February 05, 2024, 09:43:43 AM
Thanks for the explanations, some reasons are clear to me, but some are absolutely ridiculous, for example:" they believe will eventually swell their voting base." -  Is there really such a reasoning?)))

In any case, this seems to me too ridiculous and absurd a problem for such a strong country...
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: HankB on February 05, 2024, 09:44:25 AM
1.  Politics.  Means a portion (majority?) of elected officials support the illegal immigration and have managed to fill our immigration laws/regulations with more loop holes than you can shake a stick at.
2.  A great deal of money is being spent by unspecified parties to support more illegal immigration into 1st world countries.
3.  Free stuff being doled out to non-citizens (see #1).
4. The goal is to diminish the West in general and America in particular. Since raising up countries with poor governance and substandard cultural norms isn't working, equity requires diminishing the successful.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on February 05, 2024, 10:20:52 AM
Thanks for the explanations, some reasons are clear to me, but some are absolutely ridiculous, for example:" they believe will eventually swell their voting base." -  Is there really such a reasoning?)))

In any case, this seems to me too ridiculous and absurd a problem for such a strong country...

It's really not that absurd in our political structure. Black people, for instance, have historically voted very heavily democrat. The Republicans would argue that much of that is because under democrat administrations, that population gets more free stuff courtesy of taxpayers.

The democrat reasoning for southern immigrants is that if they encourage illegal immigration, give the illegal immigrants money, housing, etc (which they are currently doing), then wave a magic wand and give them all amnesty and citizenship, that this group will vote democrat in thanks.

Whether that would work or not is debatable, I suppose. Further, there can be unintended consequences, such as currently, the traditionally black population isn't really happy about another group getting preferential treatment, and many of them are switching to vote Republican.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Pb on February 05, 2024, 10:37:41 AM
Thanks for the explanations, some reasons are clear to me, but some are absolutely ridiculous, for example:" they believe will eventually swell their voting base." -  Is there really such a reasoning?)))

Of course it is.  Most immigrants (legal and illegal) are leftist.  Massive immagration (of all sorts) tilts areas leftist.  There is literally nothing stopping non-citizens from registering to vote, no matter the fact that it is illegal for them to vote in a federal election.  Voter registeration works on the honor system.   ;/

Also, immigrants from below the border are far more tolerant of corrupt government, as the expect it to be the norm.  Politicians want to have a population that will keep re-electing them in return for welfare and racial preferences, no matter how corrupt and incompetent they are.

It is called the "great replacement theory" and is denounced as a racist consipiracy theory by every major media outlet, despite the fact that is blatantly true.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: cordex on February 05, 2024, 10:45:22 AM
... some are absolutely ridiculous, for example:" they believe will eventually swell their voting base." -  Is there really such a reasoning?)))
Yes.  As has already been mentioned, whether the reason is cultural, transactional, or social, many of the illegal immigrants are (or are at least almost universally believed to be) significantly more aligned with the left in the US.  There has been an ongoing push by the left to give illegal immigrants the ability to vote in local elections, as well as pushes to grant citizenship to various subsets of the group (most notably "dreamers", or illegal immigrants brought to the US as children).  In addition, children born in the US to illegal immigrant parents are eligible to vote when they reach the age of 18.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: 230RN on February 05, 2024, 11:21:56 AM

COMMUNISM IS THE SOLUTION TO COMMUNIST DISRUPTION

Concerning the flood of legal and illegal immigrants/invaders.

They will soon find the joke is on them. I'm not confident the USA will even be a first world civilization 20 years from now. There are huge problems finding qualified people to keep basic infrastructure maintained and replaced as needed. Looks like the plan is to just run everything into the ground.

 

Correct.  Long term always-successful strategy.  Wreck a country, then declare Communism as the solution to the (Communist-generated) problems.

Hide the "Communism" with more gentle words like "socialism," progressivism," "liberalism," "forward-looking," etc.  Simultaneously substitute fear words for common concepts.  "Assault rifle" and "military-style" weapons come to mind immediately.  Also "fascism."

We are cutting off our own cojones, Amigos.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Jim147 on February 05, 2024, 01:19:24 PM
Larry, I recommend tar and feathers.

https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/02/05/lankford-tries-damage-control-over-bill-he-helped-democrats-put-together-only-makes-things-worse-n2392581
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Hawkmoon on February 05, 2024, 08:01:16 PM
Thanks for the explanations, some reasons are clear to me, but some are absolutely ridiculous, for example:" they believe will eventually swell their voting base." -  Is there really such a reasoning?)))


Yes.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: RoadKingLarry on February 05, 2024, 08:04:19 PM
Larry, I recommend tar and feathers.

https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/02/05/lankford-tries-damage-control-over-bill-he-helped-democrats-put-together-only-makes-things-worse-n2392581


 :-[ :-[ :-[ :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on February 07, 2024, 08:12:07 AM
That train wreck of a bill isn't going anywhere
Meanwhile the MSM is reporting it as the "Rs refuses to pass the D supported bill Biden needs to secure the border" or some close variance there of
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on February 07, 2024, 08:15:01 AM
That train wreck of a bill isn't going anywhere
Meanwhile the MSM is reporting it as the "Rs refuses to pass the D supported bill Biden needs to secure the border" or some close variance there of

Biden and the press secretary are going full bore gaslighting that the immigrant surge that started in January of 2020 is all Trump's fault, and the current open border is all due to "Trump and maga".
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on February 07, 2024, 08:23:37 AM
Biden and the press secretary are going full bore gaslighting that the immigrant surge that started in January of 2020 is all Trump's fault, and the current open border is all due to "Trump and maga".

You mean 2021
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on February 07, 2024, 08:30:23 AM
You mean 2021

No proofreading allowed until Ben has had his second cup of coffee. One just doesn't do it anymore.  =D
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on February 07, 2024, 08:33:23 AM
No proofreading allowed until Ben has had his second cup of coffee. One just doesn't do it anymore.  =D

I'm on my 2nd extra strength cup this morning. Couldn't sleep worth ___ last night
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Cliffh on February 07, 2024, 05:13:13 PM
I was sent a link about this today.  It actually happened almost a decade ago, but if it worked then, there's no reason it wouldn't work these days - if the fed.gov weren't so dead set on their own agenda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_border_barrier

Hungary started building border fences long ago, there was one on the Hungary/Austria from 1950-1989, the latest one I found was built starting in 2015.  The latest one seems have been effective: 

Quote
Impact on the number of illegal migrants entering Hungary

Attempted border entries fell following the barrier's construction. During the month of September 2015 there was a total number of 138,396 migrant entries, and within the first two weeks of November the average daily number of intercepted migrants decreased to only 15, which is a daily reduction of more than 4,500.[42]

The fence pissed off a few people, UN, EU & eco-nuts included.  Hungary basically told them to F-off. 
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Blakenzy on February 07, 2024, 05:55:51 PM
Money is not a problem for securing the border. It's a lack of will, or more likely an intentional design to undermine American sovereignty. It's an America Last policy and both Democrats and Republicans are guilty.
 
Just look up the amounts of money being suggested to be destined for other countries' security, like Ukraine and Israel. Ridiculous.

This one https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-of-representatives-israel-aid-vote-mike-johnson/ didn't pass yesterday, but look at that amount. How much wall would that dollar figure cover if it were aimed at US security?
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on February 08, 2024, 07:15:39 PM
Suddenly he can do it after saying he couldn't for how long?

Quote
    NEW: The Biden administration is considering taking executive action to deter illegal migration across the southern border, according to two U.S. officials. https://t.co/qLT1D3NoUN
    — NBC News (@NBCNews) February 8, 2024
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/02/08/nbc-news-white-house-considering-executive-action-to-deter-illegal-immigration-n2392742
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on February 19, 2024, 05:41:12 PM
With Texas stepping up to the plate, much of the surge has moved to Calif, with significant contingents of Chinese, Middle Easterners, and others not from the American continents. They didn't walk here, and that's a lot of safe countries that they passed to seek asylum. Calif, of course, is letting them all in. I wouldn't care except they won't stay there. Especially the people on the terror watch list and the South China Swords.

https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/02/19/afghan-man-on-terror-watch-list-enters-us-illegally-via-california-n2393083
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Pb on February 20, 2024, 10:06:23 AM
Money is not a problem for securing the border. It's a lack of will, or more likely an intentional design to undermine American sovereignty. It's an America Last policy and both Democrats and Republicans are guilty.
 

That's right.  Congress could send most of them running back home.  E-verify to get a job, e-verify to get any welfare, end birthright citizenship, shut down the "refugee" loophole, build a wall.  Massive fines for employers hiring illegals.  No government money for sancutary states or cities.  Immediate deportation of any of them with contact with the police.

If they can't get a job or welfare, they will go home.

The leadership of the GOP and Democratic party want many millions of illegal aliens here.  Illegals drive down wages and tolerate government corruption.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: JTHunter on February 20, 2024, 03:21:14 PM
That's right.  Congress could send most of them running back home.  E-verify to get a job, e-verify to get any welfare, end birthright citizenship, shut down the "refugee" loophole, build a wall.  Massive fines for employers hiring illegals.  No government money for sancutary states or cities.  Immediate deportation of any of them with contact with the police.

If they can't get a job or welfare, they will go home.

The leadership of the GOP and Democratic party want many millions of illegal aliens here.  Illegals drive down wages and tolerate government corruption.

That is because of what they experienced in their home countries.  Unlike those that have lived in the U.S. for 1 or more generations, they have never experienced anything else.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on February 22, 2024, 09:33:47 AM
So now Biden and gang are talking about doing what that racist madman Trump wanted to do.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: MechAg94 on February 22, 2024, 11:18:56 AM
So now Biden and gang are talking about doing what that racist madman Trump wanted to do.
Well yeah.  Election year and it has become a major issue.  And everyone can see with their own eyes that they aren't doing anything about it. 
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: MechAg94 on February 22, 2024, 11:21:36 AM
That's right.  Congress could send most of them running back home.  E-verify to get a job, e-verify to get any welfare, end birthright citizenship, shut down the "refugee" loophole, build a wall.  Massive fines for employers hiring illegals.  No government money for sancutary states or cities.  Immediate deportation of any of them with contact with the police.

If they can't get a job or welfare, they will go home.

The leadership of the GOP and Democratic party want many millions of illegal aliens here.  Illegals drive down wages and tolerate government corruption.
I agree, but I think the government handouts is the most important.  I would expand it to ANY federally funded handouts which would cover a lot of state and local programs as well.  Also add that any federal employees involved (processing paperwork or approving the payout) are subject to immediate termination for cause. 

There is probably a big tangle of federal agency rules that have been pushed through that need to be purged as well.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Pb on February 22, 2024, 12:39:01 PM
That is because of what they experienced in their home countries.  Unlike those that have lived in the U.S. for 1 or more generations, they have never experienced anything else.

Government corruption is the norm for non-western societies (not all, but most).  The purpose of the government is to steal money from the treasury and direct it to favored groups.  When you import non-Westerners, that is what they expect... and they want to be the groups getting the loot.  Which the Democrats are eager to do, in return for their votes.

The WEIRDest People in the World by Joseph Henrich is enlightening.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Boomhauer on February 24, 2024, 07:10:34 AM
Was listening to Tim Pool’s Culture War podcast and he brought up an interesting point…that one of the sneakier purposes of illegals being allowed to run free in the US is to affect the apportioning of House seats. He cited a study that says that California may have gained up to 7 seats from this.

Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: JTHunter on February 25, 2024, 02:41:20 PM
Was listening to Tim Pool’s Culture War podcast and he brought up an interesting point…that one of the sneakier purposes of illegals being allowed to run free in the US is to affect the apportioning of House seats. He cited a study that says that California may have gained up to 7 seats from this.

Different source but I heard the same thing.  ALL people are counted regardless of "citizenship status" as that also affects distribution of things like disaster relief supplies, food stamps, etc.  As population density grows, districts become smaller but the number of "representatives" in Congress goes up.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on February 26, 2024, 12:57:54 PM
Oh look - Brandon is heading to the border. He has chosen a slow spot in Texas, where he will undoubtedly take credit for what he has sued Texas over. Meanwhile, in Arizona and California...

https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/02/26/border-patrol-post-about-consequences-for-illegal-border-crossers-sounds-like-mayorkas-wrote-it-n2393320
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on February 26, 2024, 01:21:21 PM
Yeah, won't be an illegal in sight.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on February 26, 2024, 06:09:01 PM
Facing Low Approval, Biden Promises To Start Pretending To Care About The Border
https://babylonbee.com/news/facing-low-approval-biden-promises-to-start-pretending-to-care-about-the-border

I know it's hard to tell but that's the Babylon Bee
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on February 27, 2024, 06:46:48 PM
Look, we're not firing you to pay for illegal immigrant programs. We're just changing your hours to zero.

https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/02/27/denver-lays-off-hourly-employees-for-illegals-n2393353
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Angel Eyes on February 27, 2024, 06:48:27 PM
I know it's hard to tell but that's the Babylon Bee

... which is more accurate than the MSM.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on February 28, 2024, 04:41:30 PM
Venezuelan crimes are at 22 year lows due to "migration to the US".

https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/02/28/venezuela-crime-rate-low-coming-to-us-n2393388
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on February 29, 2024, 03:34:38 PM
First the The Babylon Bee

Biden Arrives At Border To Address His Voters
https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-arrives-at-border-to-address-his-voters

Real life just a few hours later

Quote
The Biden White House is now referring to the millions of illegal aliens who have invaded our country as "newcomers."

Here's How the Biden WH Is Now Referring to People Who Entered the US Illegally
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/02/29/heres-how-the-biden-wh-is-now-referring-to-people-who-entered-the-us-illegally-n2393470
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on March 05, 2024, 06:01:17 PM
What could possibly go wrong?

California moves to allow illegals immigrants to 'buy' homes with no payment, zero-down loans
https://thepostmillennial.com/california-moves-to-allow-illegals-immigrants-to-buy-homes-with-no-payment-zero-down-loans

Quote
The bill allows illegal immigrants to qualify as first-time home buyers and get loans up to 20 percent of the price of a house and the loan does not accrue interest or require monthly payments.
Quote
This program allows first-time home buyers to get a loan up to 20 percent of the price of a house and the loan does not accrue interest or require monthly payments. Instead, what occurs is that the buyer may then refinance the mortgage or sell the house and then pay back the original loan plus 20 percent of the home's equity increase. It was originally for those Americans living in California who could not afford a home but did not extend to illegal immigrants. 

California proposes zero down, no payment home 'loans' for illegal immigrants
https://www.sfweekly.com/news/state/california-proposes-zero-down-no-payment-home-loans-for-illegal-immigrants/article_37819067-7005-51a7-9461-1495bf6dfcd3.html
Quote
The program in question — the California Dream for All Shared Appreciation Loans program administered by the California Housing Finance Agency — started in 2023 with $300 million set aside for 2,300 applicants, and ran out of funds in just 11 days. This year, the program will require applicants to be first-generation home buyers and reduce maximum income thresholds to 120% of county median household income. Under the program, applicants can secure “loans” of up to 20% of a home’s purchase price to first-time home buyers — the cost of a down payment — with zero down payment to the CHFA, and no payments on the “loan.”

Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on March 07, 2024, 10:42:30 AM
According to the AP, the report that the Biden admin is flying illegals into the country to bypass entry points is false, because it's not secret - they just don't talk about it. Stupid conservatives and your conspiracy theories.

https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/03/07/ap-fact-check-n2393705

Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on March 07, 2024, 10:50:45 AM
(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/187297348933913899/AF64403C41731B65A9C3DFC3785FFC995D16D8EF/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false)
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: MillCreek on March 07, 2024, 12:46:17 PM
https://mynorthwest.com/3953659/man-suspected-killing-wsp-trooper-country-illegally/

A Washington State Patrol trooper was killed on I-5 a few days ago.  An individual with alcohol and marijuana on board crashed his SUV, traveling at approximately 100 MPH, into the Patrol SUV that was parked on the shoulder of the freeway. Ironically, the trooper was doing a DUI emphasis patrol.  It turns out that the driver of the SUV is here illegally from Mexico.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on March 11, 2024, 10:30:42 AM
And we have ANOTHER PC term

"unlawfully present"

'New Democrat Term for Illegal Alien Just Dropped' Courtesy of This Media Report
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/03/11/new-democrat-term-for-illegal-alien-just-dropped-courtesy-of-the-media-n2393845

I am so tired of this *expletive deleted*it
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: cordex on March 11, 2024, 01:16:59 PM
I like it better than many of their other terms.  Unlike "migrant" and "new visitors" and suchlike, at least it admits that there is something transgressive about them being here.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on March 11, 2024, 02:31:33 PM
at least it admits that there is something transgressive about them being here.

And as soon as they figure that out, they'll memory hole it.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Kingcreek on March 11, 2024, 02:37:45 PM
Hey, just because they greet you at the border and give you a debit card, cell phone, free transportation, free food, free healthcare, free housing, and free education.... Doesn't mean you're not ILLEGAL!
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 11, 2024, 03:00:36 PM
Hey, just because they greet you at the border and give you a debit card, cell phone, free transportation, free food, free healthcare, free housing, and free education.... Doesn't mean you're not ILLEGAL!

If only they would use those free cell phones to track them down so they could deport them ...
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: RocketMan on March 11, 2024, 04:17:15 PM
If only they would use those free cell phones to track them down so they could deport them ...

The phones are probably set up so tracking them is not possible.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on March 11, 2024, 06:18:01 PM
The phones are probably set up so tracking them is not possible.

Zero chance the fed.gov gave up the chance to track that many people.   CBP might not have it, but someone has that list.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: JTHunter on March 11, 2024, 11:43:17 PM
THIS IS JUST A TEST I WANT TO RUN - - -
Thomas Crapper, alleged to be the designer of the first "flush" toilet.
What goes in the toilet? "Crap".
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: JTHunter on March 11, 2024, 11:45:47 PM
Interesting result.  >:D  :rofl:

We could always go back to the old term for those that cross the Mexican border illegally - wetbacks.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: MechAg94 on March 18, 2024, 09:24:05 PM
Illegal migrant from Lebanon caught at border admitted he’s a Hezbollah terrorist hoping ‘to make a bomb’ — and was headed for NY
https://nypost.com/2024/03/17/us-news/illegal-migrant-from-lebanon-admitted-terror-ties/

Quote
Basel Bassel Ebbadi, 22, was caught by the US Border Patrol on March 9 near El Paso, Texas. While in custody, he was asked what he was doing in the US, to which he replied, “I’m going to try to make a bomb,” according to a Border Patrol document exclusively obtained by The Post.

But Ebbadi later claimed in an interview that he had been trying to flee Lebanon and Hezbollah because he “didn’t want to kill people” and said “once you’re in, you can never get out,” according to internal US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) documents.

Quote
Border agents continue to see a surge in migrants whose names appear on the terror watchlist entering the US illegally as crossings continue at record levels.

Probably should keep this one in custody instead of buying him a bus ticket.  ... probably not the only one though.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on March 21, 2024, 05:52:56 PM
This is all fine. Nothing to see here.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1770886341879885952

https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/03/21/heres-video-of-illegals-biden-says-built-the-country-overrunning-the-tx-natl-guard-n2394246

They need to deploy water cannons or tear gas grenades (I would argue for bullets, but I know that won't fly). This is not people politely waiting in line to enter and get their free phone and stuff. This is invasion.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: BobR on March 21, 2024, 05:59:36 PM
I would be OK with towers (or other elevated positions) and guards bouncing birdshot off of the ground in front of them to slow them down or to disperse them. If it is good enough for dispersing prisoners getting rowdy it is good enough for these guys.

bob
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on March 21, 2024, 07:54:07 PM
I'm starting to come around to the "two fences and a minefield" border plan.

I pointed this out in a different chat, but look how many of them are charging the ECP with their hands raised so they can play the "Hands up, Don't Shoot" narrative.  They used to do that in Iraq too, right before they triggered the vests.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on March 22, 2024, 04:35:48 PM
This is all fine. Nothing to see here.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1770886341879885952

https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/03/21/heres-video-of-illegals-biden-says-built-the-country-overrunning-the-tx-natl-guard-n2394246

They need to deploy water cannons or tear gas grenades (I would argue for bullets, but I know that won't fly). This is not people politely waiting in line to enter and get their free phone and stuff. This is invasion.

KJP knows exactly who to blame  :facepalm:

 
Quote
   REPORTER: "Has the president seen that dramatic video of migrants surging past national guardsmen in Texas...?

    JEAN-PIERRE: "The Republican Governor of Texas...This is something that he should address!" pic.twitter.com/cvhNQniB1a
    — Townhall.com (@townhallcom) March 22, 2024
SHAMELESS: KJP Stomps on Another Rake Deflecting Blame for Illegals Overrunning TX Nat'l Guard
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/03/22/kjp-stomps-on-another-rake-deflecting-blame-for-illegals-overrunning-tx-natl-guard-n2394293
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Nick1911 on March 22, 2024, 05:37:46 PM
I'm starting to come around to the "two fences and a minefield" border plan.

Pretty much where I've been at with it.  Or, open the border and create a process for all the immigrants.  We need to either decide that the open border is okay, and deal with that accordingly, or decide that it is not, and shut it down accordingly.  It's not like we can't do area denial.  This middle ground is worse then either.  As it stands we have a de facto open border with no structure to deal with it because it is de jure closed. 

This and a fair number of other things I think are victim of a no long term strategy; a consequence of our political system.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Boomhauer on March 23, 2024, 08:49:34 AM
KJP knows exactly who to blame  :facepalm:

 https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/03/22/kjp-stomps-on-another-rake-deflecting-blame-for-illegals-overrunning-tx-natl-guard-n2394293


Governor of Texas: issues ammunition
KJP: this isn’t what we meant!!!
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 24, 2024, 05:13:19 PM
Someone in Denver has a sense of humor:

https://twitter.com/KimWexlerMAJD/status/1771550750503510354

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJXQA82WwAEBjdx?format=jpg&name=small)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJXQA8jXkAA1cez?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on March 28, 2024, 07:42:37 AM
I guess this could have gone in the squatters thread as well, but more on this Venezuelan asswipe who has been telling illegals to confiscate homes:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/freeloading-migrant-influencer-mocks-us-taxpayers-who-work-like-slaves-while-waving-cash-latest-videos

So this guy cut off his ankle monitor, makes no bones about letting people know where he can be found, and ICE has no comment? That better be because they're quietly planning to nab him. Seems like this crap he does should be making the pro-illegal immigration lefties as mad as those of us against illegal immigration, since he's a glaring example of what we complain about that the left says doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on March 28, 2024, 08:36:35 AM
I firmly believe that American Society is not entrenched in racisim, and reject the "All white people are racist, either covertly or overtly" crap.  THat said, there are SOME racist aholes in America still, and there are Small pockets of Neo-Nazis.

As big a name as this guy has made for himself, and as open as he is on how to find him, ICE picking him up might be his safest course.

He's quoted in the Daily Mail as saying he and his family have received threats, and I believe that.  Holmes is going to tick off a lot of aholes with antics like this.  I hope the rage baiting on Tik Tok/Instagram was worth it.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on March 29, 2024, 07:08:48 PM
Looks like ICE got him. Of course if they drop him in Mexico, he'll be back as a gotaway.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/illegal-migrant-went-tiktok-viral-urging-others-squat-peoples-homes-arrested-ice
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on April 01, 2024, 05:20:09 PM
This is all fine. Nothing to see here.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1770886341879885952

https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/03/21/heres-video-of-illegals-biden-says-built-the-country-overrunning-the-tx-natl-guard-n2394246

They need to deploy water cannons or tear gas grenades (I would argue for bullets, but I know that won't fly). This is not people politely waiting in line to enter and get their free phone and stuff. This is invasion.

Update
Released back into the wild
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    This is Insane. The illegals, who were arrested following scene at the border where they ambushed the National Guard, tore down razor wire, and knocked over guards, were released "on their own recognizance" by an El Paso judge yesterday.
    — Kambree (@KamVTV) April 1, 2024

Mob of Illegals Who Overpowered Texas National Guard Released by Judge
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/04/01/mob-of-illegals-who-overpowered-texas-national-guard-released-by-judge-n2394655
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on April 01, 2024, 07:32:29 PM
I'm starting to come around to the tinfoil conspiracy that some folks in the fed.gov are actively hoping for vigilante violence against immigrants to use as a cudgel in the press before the election.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on April 01, 2024, 09:29:20 PM
I'm starting to come around to the tinfoil conspiracy that some folks in the fed.gov are actively hoping for vigilante violence against immigrants to use as a cudgel in the press before the election.

I am as well, and for more hot button issues than just the illegal immigration. They are practically goading people at this point.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on April 04, 2024, 01:53:57 PM
Took over a tennis court, pitched tents, and raised the Venezuelan flag

Seattle scrambles to raise $5,000 DAILY hotel cost for 240 'threatening' asylum seekers who overtook school play area, erecting tents and flags and complaining of being 'traumatized'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13272047/Seattle-scrambles-hotel-threatening-asylum-seekers-overtook-school-tents-flags.html
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on April 04, 2024, 02:57:48 PM
Just put bike locks on the gates into the tennis court.  Ta Da, instant detention cage.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on April 09, 2024, 11:38:59 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlTqNMk5_Z8&t=463s

Interesting video out of NYC on some of the second and third order effects and issues now that NYC is giving asylum seekers 30 days to GTFO.

Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on April 16, 2024, 10:28:09 AM
Nothing to see here. Just an NGO instructing illegals to vote for Biden once they get across the border.

https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/04/16/ngo-pamphlets-tell-illegals-to-vote-biden-thread-n2395140

Oh, and apparently Mayorkas has had meetings with this NGO.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on April 16, 2024, 10:46:01 AM
What do you suppose happens when a plurality of the people in a "democracy" do not think the elections are legitimate?

Nothing good, I'd bet.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on April 16, 2024, 10:50:16 AM
I'm drawing a blank here, what's an NGO?
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on April 16, 2024, 10:53:16 AM
I'm drawing a blank here, what's an NGO?

Non-Government Organization.  In this context a non profit that operates independently from governments to address social or political issues.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on April 16, 2024, 11:56:28 AM
Non-Government Organization.  In this context a non profit that operates independently from governments to address social or political issues.

Accurate dictionary definition. That "independently" doesn't always play off IRL, with the NGO working the grey area and doing things for a gov agency that said agency would get an IG investigation for.

That really got its legs under Obama. in my AO of the gov, I first saw the political appointees with an NGO background, then they hired their NGO buddies at the SES level, then those guys hired GS-15s, and that's where the NGOs really get entrenched in a deep state kinda way. Within a couple of years, it was quite common for me to run into GS-11s thru 14s whose last gig was Environmental Defense Center or similar, and, "Yeah, GS-15 Bob who I used to work for brought me in."
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on April 16, 2024, 02:10:04 PM
From the Post Millennial:

Illegal immigrant stabs two others, flees back into Mexico after being shot by National Guardsman (https://thepostmillennial.com/illegal-immigrant-stabs-two-others-flees-back-into-mexico-after-being-shot-at-by-national-guardsman)

Headline kinda says it all.  I guess the National Guard has ammo after all.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: K Frame on April 16, 2024, 04:50:20 PM
Finally someone on the left side of the spectrum has called out mayors of Liberal cities who started to cry buckets when Texas started to ship them illegal immigrants so that they could have sanctuary.

Bill Maher even called them hypocrites.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bill-maher-rips-sanctuary-city-hypocrites-turning-away-migrants-abbott-desantis-called-bluff
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: WLJ on April 16, 2024, 05:23:08 PM
Finally someone on the left side of the spectrum has called out mayors of Liberal cities who started to cry buckets when Texas started to ship them illegal immigrants so that they could have sanctuary.

Bill Maher even called them hypocrites.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bill-maher-rips-sanctuary-city-hypocrites-turning-away-migrants-abbott-desantis-called-bluff

I'm of two minds about some on the left suddenly realizing the border is an issue

1) They feel like they've let in enough illegals to guarantee future elections including 2024.
2) They feel like they haven't let in enough but realized this issue could cost then in 2024 and they need to pause the inflow only to resume it afterwards.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Boomhauer on April 16, 2024, 09:22:50 PM
I’m in Tucson AZ as we speak

First time I came here under Orange Man Bad with Kids in Cages you saw the border patrol constantly, everywhere.

In 2024 under Biden the Great White Hope who Enforces the Border More Than Any Other President, I have yet to see a single border patrol vehicle or officer since arriving here on Sunday. 
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: JTHunter on April 16, 2024, 10:52:09 PM
I'm of two minds about some on the left suddenly realizing the border is an issue

1) They feel like they've let in enough illegals to guarantee future elections including 2024.
2) They feel like they haven't let in enough but realized this issue could cost then in 2024 and they need to pause the inflow only to resume it afterwards.

There is a quote by Arthur C. Clarke that is appropriate to your numbered theories.

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“Two possibilities exist. Either we are alone in the Universe, or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.” - - Arthur C. Clarke 12/16/1917 – 3/19/2008
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Pb on April 16, 2024, 11:16:34 PM
What difference does it make now.

The tens of millions of illegals here are never going to be shipped home.

There are already enough of them to ensure national dominance of the democratic party for decades once their offspring start voting.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: MechAg94 on April 17, 2024, 08:45:39 AM
I am less concerned about them voting than just fake voter registrations and fake votes.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: dogmush on April 17, 2024, 09:04:46 AM
They don't need to vote.  Just be settled in Blue States and be counted in the census.

It's actually better for the Dems if they don't vote.  They might have pesky family values or dislike communisum after their experiences with it.  If they pump up the electoral votes and congressional seats of places like CA, IL, and NY without risking changing the voter base, that meets the goal.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Ben on April 17, 2024, 09:16:19 AM
It's actually better for the Dems if they don't vote.  They might have pesky family values or dislike communisum after their experiences with it. 

This seems to be coming out more and more. Proven for legal immigrants. For the illegals, I think the "yay Biden" stuff we see with the illegals on the border is based on news and information they get on the South side. Not just from their own versions of the MSM, but as we have now seen, even NGOs and other manipulators.

Even those that come here looking for free stuff have "conservative" values on many social subjects. Often religion based. Whether Catholic or Muslim, those values are ingrained into them from an early age (Catholic here) and I think they trump any "free stuff" socialist views they have. The whole 100 genders and related stuff is abhorrent to them, and we've certainly seen the shocked faces of white liberals when, for example, they expect to find common ground on transgender rights with Muslim women.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: Pb on April 17, 2024, 09:44:26 AM
They don't need to vote.  Just be settled in Blue States and be counted in the census.

It's actually better for the Dems if they don't vote.  They might have pesky family values or dislike communisum after their experiences with it. 

They are going to have citizen kids, get huge amounts of welwelfare, and vote mostly left, just like every other non-white group in the entire country.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
Post by: RocketMan on April 17, 2024, 02:48:55 PM
I am less concerned about them voting than just fake voter registrations and fake votes.

Many years ago, 1996 to be specific, I actually witnessed illegals being given voter registration materials at the DMV in Oregon.  The DMV claimed they were required to because of the motor voter laws in effect.   At that time Oregon would issue drivers licenses to illegals.  OR.gov claimed to have stopped issuing licenses to illegals around 2000, but I believe they restarted the practice a few years later.