Armed Polite Society
Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: MillCreek on July 29, 2022, 01:50:56 PM
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https://www.tactical-life.com/lifestyle/military-and-police/air-force-osi-selects-glock/?fbclid=IwAR2Se1nJgjJiucv3uMJ437SP-7_C8uoIRWCGkGXVhEdrKT-EMAlFW2aYqOU
Air Force Office of Special Investigations chooses Glock over the M17/18 series.
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Go AIR-FORCE!
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I carried a Smith 642 in a pocket holster for about a year.
I have carried a Glock 43 in a similar pocket holster for about two years.
The Glock looks damn near new. The 642, on the other hand, looks... used.
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Meh. I have a m17 and several Glocks. There's not a huge difference between them. I hope OSI trains with whatever Glock they get.
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I've carried a Smith 042 Centennial in a pocket holster for over 20 years.
I don't care how it looks. I care how it works, and I know it will always work.
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I carried a Smith 642 in a pocket holster for about a year.
I have carried a Glock 43 in a similar pocket holster for about two years.
The Glock looks damn near new. The 642, on the other hand, looks... used.
You see all sorts of complaints in the Innernet gun social media world about the 642's finish. it's like a thin plastic layer that wears through easily.
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I picked on up several years ago and on a 3 day hot weather motorcycle trip The finish pretty well failed around the grips and cylinder latch where it was up against my sweaty body. I was even wiping it down every evening. Still works fine but isn't particularly pretty anymore.
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My unit has been rather aggressively ordering M18 pistols. I've in-processed almost 100 in the last month. OSI can do what it wants, the rest of Security Forces seems committed to the Sig.
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When my dad was in the Air Force, he was on the pistol team. They took one of the .45's and put it in a vise and couldn't put seven shots on a target. They also carried the .30 Carbine for security duty. He did matches with his Rugar Standard that he got for paying for someone else's laundry one week.
Sig or Glock, carry what you can shoot well, and your armorer can repair.
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Met a guy at the range a dozen or so years ago that told me he had been a member of the (a) USAF pistol team. He had a Colt 1911 chambered in .38 Special. The magazine follower had a slot cut for the rimmed case.
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I have never met anyone from OSI. I assume they are similar to NCIS, or Never Could Investigate S___. I have met them and have a very negative opinion. So I will pass that on to OSI. They need to stop being special and use the issued gun that their parent service has. No idea how expensive they will make a cheap glock by the time procurement is done. They don't need a gun, the majority of their day is spent bullying service members.
After shooting competition and carrying primarily Glocks for twenty years or more I hope they stay in the OSI special office. Rank and file security forces have no business carrying them. Cops have plenty of oopsie holes to go around.
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You see all sorts of complaints in the Innernet gun social media world about the 642's finish. it's like a thin plastic layer that wears through easily.
The 642 is soulless steel, right? What really can go wrong with the finish on soulless steel other than it getting a bit dull?
My 042 is some sort of anodized or other finish over the aluminum frame. It's held up well. Not great, but well.
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Met a guy at the range a dozen or so years ago that told me he had been a member of the (a) USAF pistol team. He had a Colt 1911 chambered in .38 Special. The magazine follower had a slot cut for the rimmed case.
1911 Gold Cup National Match. Colt brought them out to compete with the Smith & Wesson Model 52 in ISSF matches.
Good article on them that fills in some of the knowledge gaps I had on the gun.
https://revivaler.com/colt-m1911-gold-cup-national-match-38-special/
I sold one back in the 1990s when I was working at the gunshop after NRA laid me off. I wanted that damned thing bad, but the owner knew what he had.
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The 642 is soulless steel, right? What really can go wrong with the finish on soulless steel other than it getting a bit dull?
Soulless aluminum alloy.
My 042 is some sort of anodized or other finish over the aluminum frame. It's held up well. Not great, but well.
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My 642 looks like something Ichiro Nagata would have nightmares about. My Gen II glock not much better. But then again they have been my go to carry beaters for twenty years, I may need to update. The 642 did one unkind stint as my tool belt gun, quite nice in the center front nail pouch. Encountered sawdust, plaster, construction adhesive.
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Soulless aluminum alloy.
Ah... that's right, the 42 means a lightweight alloy frame, while the 6 in front means a stainless cylinder.
OK.
Get a can of Krylon and give it a coat.
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Just make sure to do rainbow colors.
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Ah... that's right, the 42 means a lightweight alloy frame, while the 6 in front means a stainless cylinder.
OK.
Get a can of Krylon and give it a coat.
Naah. It gives it character, and it doesn't bother me.
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train the kids well so they keep their finger indexed properly and it is golden .
the only problem is now fanboys will be buying glocks - i have met a lot of nincompoops carrying berettas because uncle sam made the troops use them.
I have not been training last few yrs due to expense - which is why my edc is either a 642 or a glock - a manual safety is not for me
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I wonder what the price point was for buying the Glock pistols? I can't see the link if they mentioned it.
I was just thinking that I have a G19, a Sig P320, and a Beretta 92; none of them do I shoot particularly well. Okay, but not the best. I guess if that was all I was shooting, I would get better.
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I bought a beretta 92 when I had to carry one. Wish I never sold it. Almost all my practice was either DA, decock ,DA.... or DA-SA decock and repeat. Did it at 25 yards so any flaws would show. Great shooting gun.
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If I absolutely, positively have to hit a target at 25m with a pistol, I can only hope it's a Beretta 92FS.
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If I absolutely, positively have to hit a target at 25m with a pistol, I can only hope it's a Beretta 92FS.
The full size Walther PDP is pretty good at that.
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So what holster did they get as standard for the pistol. Doesn't it have to work well while sitting down?
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I'm blanking on the brand name, but my unit has been ordering Kydex thigh holsters for the M18. I'm like 99% sure they're Safariland.
Edit: This one looks right.
https://safariland.com/products/model-7004-sp10-7ts-sls-single-strap-tactical-holster-7004_sp10
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I will have to save that for later. I was given an Army holster rig for the Beretta 92 a while back. Never got around to using it.
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case in point, a nimrod in the local AA club open carries a Beretta 92 - in the cheapest Walmart holster he can find - which leads me to believe he is either real dumb or somehow got the gun free and never ever got more training that shooting beer bottles in the desert.
he once threatened to beat me up too, I'm 62 and he's early thirties ( I know I could beat him, but I just rolled my eyes ) .
Only genuinely stupid gun owners threaten people .
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I guess I will move forward as if the lost posts are gone.
Anyone that makes it to their 30's and still threatens to beat people up needs to get the head examined.
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I guess I will move forward as if the lost posts are gone.
Anyone that makes it to their 30's and still threatens to beat people up needs to get the head examined.
Or have their parole revoked.
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Our M17's come with the Modular Holster System as part of the initial issue. It's a Safariland 7TS Level III retention holster on a QLS fork, and it comes with a belt mount, a mid-ride mount, thigh mount, and MOLLE adapter for a plate carrier. According to the bag they come in the whole kit is supplied by Atlantic Diving Supply.
You can see all the pieces of the Modular Holster System in this pic:
(https://cdn.athlonoutdoors.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2018/08/Army-M17-1.jpg)
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If I am remembering correctly, Air Force OSI are military personnel who work as criminal investigators, and are authorized to wear civilian/plain clothes. As a result, they are looking for a concealment gun, which explains the desire for a smaller handgun. That said, I don't know why they don't just get a smaller P320. Would make sense from a logistics stand point.. but when has that mattered to .mil?
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The M18 is the smaller P320. It's a P320 Carry size. I suspect OSI either just wants to be special and can, has a Glock True Believer as an armorer, or both.
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If I absolutely, positively have to hit a target at 25m with a pistol, I can only hope it's a Beretta 92FS.
I'm shooting a match at Sig this week. One stage has IPSC C-zone steel at 70, 50, and 15 yards. I hit the 70 and 50 with my Sig 365 with a RDS.
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I had similar simpatico in years past with a P226. I currently own a P229, but I haven't put it through its paces in years. Both were in .40.
Exeter isn't ridiculously far from me. How do I sign up for these matches, and what do I need to bring?
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I had similar simpatico in years past with a P226. I currently own a P229, but I haven't put it through its paces in years. Both were in .40.
Exeter isn't ridiculously far from me. How do I sign up for these matches, and what do I need to bring?
For this match, you need a Sig P365 and sign up at https://www.sigsauer.com/everyday-carry-edc-championship
I don't know if there is room left for this match. If you want to drop by and take a look, the match is open to spectators. I'm working in Bay 6.
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Whelp, due to an expired pistol permit, procuring a P365 is impossible in Connecticut right now. They don't consider a P229 an EDC?
Edit: I should have looked at the link you posted. How odd that an entire match would be limited to one model. I'm sorry, but I have drill this weekend so even as a spectator I can't make it.