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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ron on August 08, 2022, 07:38:03 PM
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Moments ago, Donald Trump - who is still banned by Twitter - published a statement on Truth Social in which he said that his Florida home, Mar A Lago is “currently under siege, raided, and occupied by a large group of FBI agents", an assault which according to Trump "could only take place in broken, Third-World Countries." He is probably right. He also claims the Fed's presence was unannounced and the reason was politically motivated.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/donald-trump-says-mar-lago-raided-under-siege-fbi
The GAE will not tolerate dissent.
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Assuming this is true and he's not 1. Completely full of *expletive deleted*it, or 2. Blowing out of proportion a polite FBI visit that was coordinated beforehand with the secret service, this is going to end up like the Filibuster thing, where the Dems are so proud of themselves for overturning longstanding tradition, and then cry a river when the politicians switch and they are on the recieving end.
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That doesn't sound good. I guess we will see what happens with this.
There was a tweet quoted near the bottom talking about Trump mishandling classified documents. That is laughable considering what happened during Obama regime.
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/08/politics/mar-a-lago-search-warrant-fbi-donald-trump/index.html
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-details-emerge-about-what-fbi-agents-were-searching-for-in-raid-on-trump-home-report-says
Multiple reports later confirmed that the raid was connected to the missing White House records.
The report said that Trump delayed returning more than a dozen boxes of material to the National Archives which included documents that were “marked as classified national security information.”
Federal prosecutors opened a grand jury investigation back in May into Trump over whether classified material that ended up at his home in Mar-a-Lago was mishandled.
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IMHO, we should see if the sitting president's family can be vetted for even a Secret security clearance...
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This is one way to get civil war, I guess. This will absolutely create an 06JAN on steroids somewhere down the road.
It's hitting all the mainstream sites now. From what's out there now, they did it while he was traveling. It was a DC FBI unit and they only informed their Miami office as it was happening, which likely means Secret Service got the same last minute notification. It might have gone differently with SS if Trump was in residence.
They were just grabbing boxes without even opening them, so it sure sounds like a raid to me. "Potential classified information". That means they'll find something, even if they call it "classified" after the fact. Absolutely a witch hunt. This will end up getting Trump sympathy from people who don't necessarily like him, but without TDS.
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So, is the USA now a 3rd world shithole dictatorship?
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Also, we'll likely never find out, but I wonder who planned it? And I don't mean the FBI, I mean who gave the FBI their marching orders.
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See, this is why Trump was wise not to pursue criminal charges against Hillary Clinton, for mishandling classified information. It would have turned into a tit-for-tat, and they would have done the same thing to Trump, later on.
Oh, wait...
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I suspect virtually every has a chance to win R will be be indicted in some way in the comings weeks and months.
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So, is the USA now a 3rd world shithole dictatorship?
Has been one for a while now.
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Has been one for a while now.
Sure, but they ain't even tryin to hide it no more.
What do you suppose they would do differently if they wanted a violent uprising?
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Sure, but they ain't even tryin to hide it no more.
What do you suppose they would do differently if they wanted a violent uprising?
Dude, they haven't been hiding it since at least 2016 when Trump first ran. The corruption has been running full tilt in the open trying to get their plan back on track since its derailing.
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I suspect virtually every has a chance to win R will be be indicted in some way in the comings weeks and months.
When the hildabeast was nominated I predicted that if she it got elected we would never see another republican president let alone a conservative.
It is my opinion that the dems were so eaten up with hubris that they couldn't conceive of a Trump victory and didn't bother to spin up the fraud machine They corrected that error in 2020.
It is my current pessimistic prediction that the democrats communists with spin up their fraud machine for the mid terms and take the senate with a strong margin and add to their current majority in the house. I would not be surprised to see a supper majority in both houses.
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Sure, but they ain't even tryin to hide it no more.
What do you suppose they would do differently if they wanted a violent uprising?
Violent uprising?
You'll be fighting law enforcement and the Military. They've got families to feed. That's just the way it generally goes.
Nobody is getting close to anyone in authority. We don't even know who is running the show.
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This stinks to high heaven. Democrats must be terrified at what their internal polling tells them about the mid-terms and the 2024 elections.
The FBI apparently grabbed 15 boxes of stuff - some after breaking into Trump's safe - and took it all without even looking at it. Can you say "Fishing Expedition?"
As for possessing classified materials, Trump still has his security clearance, and they built/provided a classified SCIF area in Mar-A-Lago years ago. Not seeing an issue here.
I personally find it very sad to see what was once touted as the world's premier law enforcement agency co-opted into a political weapon like you'd expect in some backward s**thole country.
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The White House found out about it on twitter. ;/
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/08/08/biden-wh-claims-they-had-no-idea-about-fbi-raid-on-trumps-mar-a-lago-home-until-they-saw-it-on-twitter-but-aint-nobody-buyin-it/
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Looks like the Antichrist guy from those cheesy Left Behind movies.
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That pathetic, commie piece of *expletive deleted*it only wishes he had that kind of mojo.
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This stinks to high heaven. Democrats must be terrified at what their internal polling tells them about the mid-terms and the 2024 elections.
The FBI apparently grabbed 15 boxes of stuff - some after breaking into Trump's safe - and took it all without even looking at it. Can you say "Fishing Expedition?"
As for possessing classified materials, Trump still has his security clearance, and they built/provided a classified SCIF area in Mar-A-Lago years ago. Not seeing an issue here.
I personally find it very sad to see what was once touted as the world's premier law enforcement agency co-opted into a political weapon like you'd expect in some backward s**thole country.
Welcome to Amerika comrade.
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Trump's been being cagey about whether he's going to run in 2024 or not.
If it were me, this *expletive deleted*it would tip the scales to running. And winning in whatever way it took.
Then it would time for some real house cleaning.
Will he or won't he???
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You'll be fighting law enforcement and the Military. They've got families to feed. That's just the way it generally goes.
Frankly - if it gets to that, we'll know where they are. That's just the way it generally goes.
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https://babylonbee.com/news/hunter-biden-breathes-sigh-of-relief-as-fbi-raid-team-passes-by-his-house-on-way-to-mar-a-lago
... things got awkward after the FBI raid team ran into the FBI evidence planting team due to a scheduling mistake.
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What do you suppose they would do differently if they wanted a violent uprising?
The left thinks a "violent uprising" is something where people bring scale models of guillotines and gallows to a protest march.
Can they transfer that to the thinking of the vast majority? Possibly.
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I don't know about KGB... More like PRC...
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I heard about it on the way home from work, but have not looked at anything yet or read anything either.
THIS IS BOVINE EXCREMENT...
All the crud we have put up with over the years, from JFK to Biden, and they pull a stunt like this.
I'm really angry, I hope this backfires big time and Trum does a real housecleaning if/when he gets in office again
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I seem to remember that one of the reasons Caesar seized power in Rome was because his enemies in the Senate were planning to convict him as soon as he was no longer Consul. IMO, when a leader thinks he will be put in prison or killed after leaving office, will he leave office peacefully?
Not quite the same thing here, but still a bad precedent.
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The White House found out about it on twitter. ;/
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/08/08/biden-wh-claims-they-had-no-idea-about-fbi-raid-on-trumps-mar-a-lago-home-until-they-saw-it-on-twitter-but-aint-nobody-buyin-it/
Gotta give the Big Guy cover.
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Me? I'm guessing that there is some sort of procedural paperwork error someplace.
And that will be used to try to put nails in...
Will that work for, or against, the Democrats? Are they betting that they STILL have enough people hating Teh Trump?
I know they want to...
And they're hoping that all the people 10% of the people talking *expletive deleted*it aren't going to go out and do *expletive deleted*it...
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The provisional IRA (commies though they were) had, what, a couple hundred active fighters at any one time during The Troubles? And they tied up, what, 25,000 British troops at any given time?
They go full jackboot here and and it’ll make 1992-1993 Sarajevo look like a Girl Scout meeting, never mind any comparisons to Northern Ireland.
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Call it 1mil LEOs if all jurisdictions in the USA. Another basically 2mil active and reserve military. Disregarding the constitutional limits on using the military domestically, and assuming their paychecks matter more than their honor or oath to defend the constitution for 100% of the members. That’s at most 3mil jackboots. Let’s also ignore any political ramifications.
At the same ratio as Northern Ireland that means a mere 30,000 “domestic terrorists” could keep all the jackboots rather busy. That less than 0.05% of gun owners.
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There are approximately 5,000,000 NRA members, right?
1% of those is 50,000
Considering it took two committed jihad monkeys to lock down Washington, DC for close to two weeks...
I suspect that a few folks may commit a massive error of hubris.
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Like the spending bill that no one has read that was just rammed through, lube free, wasn't enough to make ya wanna "lock and load".
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Trump's been being cagey about whether he's going to run in 2024 or not.
If it were me, this *expletive deleted*it would tip the scales to running. And winning in whatever way it took.
Then it would time for some real house cleaning.
Will he or won't he???
Plot-twist: Trump wins 2024 only for the corrupt establishment to reveal he really did win in 2020, so he can't win a third time be president again.
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Plot-twist: Trump wins 2024 only for the corrupt establishment to reveal he really did win in 2020, so he can't win a third time be president again.
Constitution says he can’t serve more than 2 terms (VP succession doesn’t apply). Doesn’t say anything about winning the election more than twice.
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https://twitter.com/SebGorka/status/1556794940344176640
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https://twitter.com/SebGorka/status/1556794940344176640
That guy is exhibit A on why I will never vote Trump again. He means well and then surrounds himself with idiots. Unlike Biden who means evil but surrounds himself with idiot henchmen incapable of doing the deeds. Way more comical that way.
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Constitution says he can’t serve more than 2 terms (VP succession doesn’t apply). Doesn’t say anything about winning the election more than twice.
Hey! It says whatever the hell they want it to say!
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This guy says it would be difficult for this to be corruption/political because of all the individual steps to get the warrant. Yet he does say that there is a high probability this went all the way to the AG for sign off. It will be interesting to see what's in the warrant when it becomes public.
Which aside from this particular bullshit, makes me glad Garland never made it to the SC. Between his attacks on parents and his continually identifying everyone and their brother as extremists, he appears to have quietly become one of the most political AGs ever.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-raids-trumps-mar-a-lago-unprecedented-agency-execute-search-warrant-former-president
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Also, side note, this was executed on the anniversary of Richard Nixon's resignation. Even if 100% coincidental, I'm sure it will spark conspiracy theories.
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What makes you think the warrant will become public?
It concerns classified material, and I'd be shocked if they didn't detail exactly what just so they could classify the warrant itself. Derivative Classification for the win!!
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The White House found out about it on twitter. ;/
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/08/08/biden-wh-claims-they-had-no-idea-about-fbi-raid-on-trumps-mar-a-lago-home-until-they-saw-it-on-twitter-but-aint-nobody-buyin-it/
Honestly I can believe that.
At least the part Biden didn't know
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Normies still trust the AG, the FBI and the rest of the system. My neighbor, a blue collar union guy is laughing and happy about this raid. He's a union Dem and is sure Trump is the bad guy. He called me up to gloat! I don't even talk politics with him at all. The only thing he knows about my political views is that I've voted Republican.
There will be plenty of political and social cover for the American jackboots when the time comes. They will be held up as the heroic standard of protecting Democracy.
Americans minds have been broken by the govmnt/education/media complex. They not only believe two contradictory things at the same time they believe dozens of impossible and contradictory things at the same time.
My Republican despising union neighbor conceal carries and even open carries. He 100% supports the Democrats. He knows I've supported Republicans because I've asked him why he supports the Democrat gun grabbers. You start talking to folks and you realize you can make long lists of common but incoherent beliefs/positions that contradict each other.
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If the goal was to make sure every able-bodied conservative voter votes come November, they're doing it right.
Brad
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Normies still trust the AG, the FBI and the rest of the system. My neighbor, a blue collar union guy is laughing and happy about this raid. He's a union Dem and is sure Trump is the bad guy. He called me up to gloat! I don't even talk politics with him at all. The only thing he knows about my political views is that I've voted Republican.
There will be plenty of political and social cover for the American jackboots when the time comes. They will be held up as the heroic standard of protecting Democracy.
Americans minds have been broken by the govmnt/education/media complex. They not only believe two contradictory things at the same time they believe dozens of impossible and contradictory things at the same time.
My Republican despising union neighbor conceal carries and even open carries. He 100% supports the Democrats. He knows I've supported Republicans because I've asked him why he supports the Democrat gun grabbers. You start talking to folks and you realize you can make long lists of common but incoherent beliefs/positions that contradict each other.
I wouldn't call that guy a "normie", but he does represent a subset of people that exist. That is why Biden still has 30% or so approval rating when it should be much less. People like him are part of that 30%. And yes, some of them are armed.
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From the cnn article:
A White House official said it was not notified about the search. President Joe Biden, a senior administration official said, was unaware of the search of Mar-a-Lago until after it was reported on the news.
Either this is BS and both the white house and biden knew, or they have no problem admitting to their own incompetence in allowing the fbi to go rogue. Reminds me of the Firefly quote: "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned."
Those in power don't even bother pretending anymore that there are any restraints on their behavior whatsoever. They know they can get away with just about anything anytime with no consequence.
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Nancy Pelosi is squawking about how no one is above the law...
I wonder how she feels about her husband's recent legal issues?
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Unfortunately the Miami Herald article is behind a paywall but... Oh Boy, it's a small world isn't it?
SIREN: Judge who signed off on search warrant for Trump home raid apparently has some *very* interesting connections to Jeffrey Epstein
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/08/09/siren-judge-who-signed-off-on-search-warrant-for-trump-home-raid-apparently-has-some-very-interesting-connections-to-jeffrey-epstein/
Judge Who Approved Mar-A-Lago Raid Represented Epstein Employees
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2022/08/09/judge-who-approved-maralago-raid-tied-to-epstein-obama-n2611480
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Nancy Pelosi is squawking about how no one is above the law...
I wonder how she feels about her husband's recent legal issues?
Was she looking in the mirror when she said it?
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Nancy Pelosi is squawking about how no one is above the law...
I wonder how she feels about her husband's recent legal issues?
Or Hillary. Or Hunter. Or...
Brad
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Or Hillary. Or Hunter. Or...
Brad
And the list goes on and on….
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Was she looking in the mirror when she said it?
There are now some people looking at Nancy's adult son who it seems has had some OUS business deals, possibly leveraging his connection to the Speaker of the House . . . maybe more to come?
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Judge that signed off on the warrant is a former Epstein lawyer.
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They want you to stop using the word Raid because raid is such a bad word.
Okay, how about "Medieval blood Bath"?
So a RAID: Lefties and the FBI want everyone to stop calling their raid on Trump’s home a RAID because saying raid makes them look bad
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/08/09/so-a-raid-lefties-and-the-fbi-want-everyone-to-stop-calling-their-raid-on-trumps-home-a-raid-because-saying-raid-makes-them-look-bad/
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Andrew Yang catches plenty of heat from lib blue-checks for his take on FBI raiding Trump’s home
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/08/09/andrew-yang-catches-plenty-of-heat-from-lib-blue-checks-for-his-take-on-fbi-raiding-trumps-home-hopefully-he-wont-back-down/
Yang actually shows that he is not an idiot, but plenty of other people are.
If this was about classified documents, at some point someone will talk about all the things these FBI agents did to find/acquire these classified documents before getting a court order. I guess that assumes that was the reason for the raid in the first place which is a poor assumption.
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https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-thanks-fbi-for-kicking-off-his-2024-reelection-campaign
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Spotty reports that he declassified all this stuff before taking it.
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Attorney Harmeet K. Dhillon lists each and every DAMNING thing this FBI has actually done
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/08/09/americans-deserve-better-attorney-harmeet-k-dhillon-lists-each-and-every-damning-thing-this-fbi-has-actually-done-in-brutal-thread/
This FBI:
* Pushed Russia collusion hoax
* Spied on law-abiding Americans
* Lied to FISA court
* Ignored Hillary's server escapades
* Ignored Biden Family criminal activity
* Persecutes journalists at Project Veritas
* Treats J6 trespassers like terrorists
* Goes after PTA moms/
I like the Aliens gif at the end. Something to save.
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They want you to stop using the word Raid because raid is such a bad word.
Okay, how about "Medieval blood Bath"?
So a RAID: Lefties and the FBI want everyone to stop calling their raid on Trump’s home a RAID because saying raid makes them look bad
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/08/09/so-a-raid-lefties-and-the-fbi-want-everyone-to-stop-calling-their-raid-on-trumps-home-a-raid-because-saying-raid-makes-them-look-bad/
I love the "RAID, RAID, RAID....." responses echoing the "Gay, Gay, Gay..." crap from a couple months ago. =)
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So, is the USA now a 3rd world shithole dictatorship?
Yup.
I regret that I have but one pitchfork to clear a path before me.
Woody
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If it was me and I knew they were coming I would be standing there wiping down a computer with a rag when they came in.
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If it was me and I knew they were coming I would be standing there wiping down a computer with a rag when they came in.
Could always use bleachbit (or whatever Hillary used) and a hammer….
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There are no white hats in law enforcement, military or intelligence apparently.
A lawless government will eventually have to deal with anarchy and a rebellious citizenry.
Time to head for the hills.
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If this is not related, it's certainly going to end up looking related:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-ally-rep-scott-perry-says-fbi-seized-cell-phone-one-day-after-mar-a-lago-raid
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Oooookay
In October 2016 I predicted that Trump would end after he would flee to Russia seeking asylum.
Feeling good about that prediction now.
— Grant Stern is boosted! (@grantstern) August 9, 2022
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/09/grant-stern-feeling-pretty-good-about-his-prediction-that-donald-trump-will-seek-asylum-in-russia/
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"We would ask Americans to remain peaceful at this time," Karine Jean-Pierre says when asked if Biden is concerned about politically fueled violence after the Trump raid.
— Charlie Spiering (@charliespiering) August 9, 2022
In other words don't go all BLM and ANTIFA
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/09/karine-jean-pierre-asks-americans-to-remain-peaceful-after-fbi-raid-on-mar-a-lago/
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In other words don't go all BLM and ANTIFA
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/09/karine-jean-pierre-asks-americans-to-remain-peaceful-after-fbi-raid-on-mar-a-lago/
Yet again, they forget the right doesn’t have a dial for political violence. It’s a binary switch with settings of “live peaceably” and “kill *expletive deleted*ing everyone”. When they succeed in flipping that switch it won’t matter what the White House spokes idiot says.
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Yet again, they forget the right doesn’t have a dial for political violence. It’s a binary switch with settings of “live peaceably” and “kill *expletive deleted*ing everyone”. When they succeed in flipping that switch it won’t matter what the White House spokes idiot says.
More accurately, there are no paramilitary terrorist organizations employed by the right to cause violence when it is politically suitable. Antifa/BLM/Et Alii are owned and operated by the establishment. The violence they cause is not spontaneous action by restless citizens, it is politically commanded.
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Oooookay
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/09/grant-stern-feeling-pretty-good-about-his-prediction-that-donald-trump-will-seek-asylum-in-russia/
I love the first response.
What if :::does gigantic bong rip:::the planets are all just atoms in some giant’s stapler.
:rofl:
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If this is not related, it's certainly going to end up looking related:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-ally-rep-scott-perry-says-fbi-seized-cell-phone-one-day-after-mar-a-lago-raid
Business opportunity: provide strong encryption for cell phones with no "back door."
(Wasn't there a controversy a couple of years ago when fed.gov was unable to crack an I-Phone they'd seized - and Apple wouldn't help them?)
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Business opportunity: provide strong encryption for cell phones with no "back door."
(Wasn't there a controversy a couple of years ago when fed.gov was unable to crack an I-Phone they'd seized - and Apple wouldn't help them?)
I can't remember the link anymore, but like a year or two ago, perd posted a link to some guy who tells you how or will do it for you and also sells smartphones that are completely locked down from snoopers. I've on occasion thought that would be a good investment.
I'm still befuddled that Blackberry is essentially out of business in the consumer phone marketplace. They (and Nextel) used to be the standard when I first started getting issued a gov phone. One would think given the environment today, that somebody offering a secure phone that still lets you do most smart phone stuff would be making a killing.
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Samsung makes Galaxy phones that meet DOD encryption standards for holding Secret info, accessing SIPR, and access to TS LAN networks (think local vehicle information sharing and drone feed access) I'd bet we don't do that on stuff the FBI can get into.
ETA: You can't buy one, of course, I was just pointing out that such security does exist on Android, so someone could build the same level of security into a phone and sell it to the public. I suspect if you tried though, you'd find yourself on the receiving end of your own FBI raid.
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Business opportunity: provide strong encryption for cell phones with no "back door."
(Wasn't there a controversy a couple of years ago when fed.gov was unable to crack an I-Phone they'd seized - and Apple wouldn't help them?)
IIRC I believe you're referring to the San Bernardino Islamic terrorism shooting where they found the guy's phone and they wanted to know who he and his wife had been in contact with and Apple wouldn't give them the access.
It was later reported cracked by an Israeli firm
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Samsung makes Galaxy phones that meet DOD encryption standards for holding Secret info, accessing SIPR, and access to TS LAN networks (think local vehicle information sharing and drone feed access) I'd bet we don't do that on stuff the FBI can get into.
ETA: You can't buy one, of course, I was just pointing out that such security does exist on Android, so someone could build the same level of security into a phone and sell it to the public. I suspect if you tried though, you'd find yourself on the receiving end of your own FBI raid.
We were just getting into "you can have a smartphone if you want" around a year before I separated, but they were so locked down that pretty much everything you get a smartphone for was useless. I ended up keeping my issued flip phone and additionally carried my personal smartphone.
I recognize that Android phones can be well-secured, but it's kind of a hassle for your average user. It seems like a ubiquitously available secure platform that doesn't overly constrict funcionality would be a good seller on the consumer market, but maybe your average person just doesn't care that much.
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Wasn't just a quick visit according to this, they were there all day and even went through Melania's clothes
According to the latest information Devine learned, the FBI spent "hours" — agents were there from 9:00 a.m. to 6:30 p.m. — as they "scoured Melania Trump’s wardrobe and spent several hours combing through Donald Trump’s private office" and other private areas of the Trumps' vast Mar-A-Lago estate based on a warrant that "focused solely on presidential records and evidence of classified information being stored there."
Says over 30 agents
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It was also reported that the FBI agents conducting the raid refused to allow President Trump's attorneys to observe their search — providing an opportunity to plant evidence, though no such accusations have been lodged so far. An accompanying request to disable security cameras on the property was refused by Trump's team, according to Devine.
FBI 'Scoured' Melania's Wardrobe at Mar-A-Lago Looking for... Classified Shoes?
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2022/08/10/fbi-scoured-melanias-wardrobe-at-mar-a-lago-looking-for-classified-shoes-n2611526
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Wasn't just a quick visit according to this, they were there all day and even went through Melania's clothes
Says over 30 agents
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FBI 'Scoured' Melania's Wardrobe at Mar-A-Lago Looking for... Classified Shoes?
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2022/08/10/fbi-scoured-melanias-wardrobe-at-mar-a-lago-looking-for-classified-shoes-n2611526
Maybe they were looking for Don and Melania's phones . . .
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We were just getting into "you can have a smartphone if you want" around a year before I separated, but they were so locked down that pretty much everything you get a smartphone for was useless. I ended up keeping my issued flip phone and additionally carried my personal smartphone.
I recognize that Android phones can be well-secured, but it's kind of a hassle for your average user. It seems like a ubiquitously available secure platform that doesn't overly constrict funcionality would be a good seller on the consumer market, but maybe your average person just doesn't care that much.
The one SIPR GS9 I used was pretty much just like a normal phone. Password only, no fingerprint unlock, and obviously it wouldn't go to the Play store and download RAID: Shadow Legends, but in use it was pretty normal to use. I'm told the new GS20's are even better to use, but I haven't seen one in the flesh.
In general though, you can have secure, or you can have easy to use, not both. It's a moot point though, because 99.9% of all smartphone users could have the most secure phone possible, and they'd install unknown 3rd party apps on the first day (coughTikTokcough) I think you've hit the nail on the head. The average person is not concerned about keeping a .gov level intruder out of their phone.
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. . . I think you've hit the nail on the head. The average person is not concerned about keeping a .gov level intruder out of their phone.
I think you're correct on this point - but someone who's active politically would. So the market would be congresscritters, some of the few remaining actual journalists around (e.g., Project Veritas people), prominent non-Democrat politicians and political operatives like campaign managers, EVERY former Trump administration employee and associate who hasn't denounced The Donald, practicing attorneys, parents who've opposed school policies ranging from masks to drag queen shows for their kids, etc.
Or maybe they'll just use "burner" phones for contacts they want to keep on the down low, and destroy those after every few hours of use.
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IV:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
Oh, but that's just part of that 230 year old piece of paper, so who cares? Besides, we need something beyond mere IRS audits to screw someone over.
And "cardboard boxes" is a particular description, no?
And so is "telephone records."
And so is "your house"
And your "pickup truck."
"unreasonable searches and seizures" is what they called "fishing expeditions" back in 1790.
Terry, 230RN
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Hank, I agree that it would make sense for the people you described to want some data security, but in practice almost none of them actually buy one of the several secure phones in existence already, or even use one of the several programs offering enterprise level encryption for voice coms and messaging. WhatsApp is about as secure as people seem to be willing to go (which at least will require the physical device, rather than letting your provider print out all your messages and hand it to LE).
Just a few of the currently available options:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/303307681294
https://puri.sm/products/librem-5-usa/
https://shop.sirinlabs.com/products/finney
Like I said, I've only been hands on with a DOD owned Samsung and it worked fine. But people don't, in practice, seem to care enough to buy a secure phone and put up with not having access to every little cool tech feature Apple slams into the new iPhone. Congress critters seem to be worse than average about not caring about security, not better. It defies logic, but market forces don't lie.
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I didn't peruse this entire thread so maybe what I'll say has been brought up.
It seems to me that because Trump's lawyers were ejected and not allowed to watch the proceedings nor were they allowed to view what items were confiscated, unable to document if the only places they searched and or confiscated were spelled out in the warrant that any and all objects taken by the FBI would be inadmissible in any sort of criminal charge as those objects would be considered "Fruit of the Poisonous Tree" as the FBI violated Trump's right to have his attorney's present.
Of course that would depend on how corrupt the judge is who would decide on these things.
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Once the warrant is served is there any legal requirement that the person themselves be allowed to stay? Much less the person's representatives?
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I didn't peruse this entire thread so maybe what I'll say has been brought up.
It seems to me that because Trump's lawyers were ejected and not allowed to watch the proceedings nor were they allowed to view what items were confiscated, unable to document if the only places they searched and or confiscated were spelled out in the warrant that any and all objects taken by the FBI would be inadmissible in any sort of criminal charge as those objects would be considered "Fruit of the Poisonous Tree" as the FBI violated Trump's right to have his attorney's present.
Of course that would depend on how corrupt the judge is who would decide on these things.
They don’t care. As long they get something to make him electoral kryptonite they’ve succeeded.
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If Trump isn't electoral kryptonite already, nothing in those boxes will make him become it. The true believers on both sides are beyond any new info changing their minds.
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https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-informer-told-fbi-what-docs-trump-was-hiding-where-1732283
According to this article, there was an informant in the Trump camp and a Trump attorney was present during the search.
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I'm still befuddled that Blackberry is essentially out of business in the consumer phone marketplace. They (and Nextel) used to be the standard when I first started getting issued a gov phone.
2013: Our new Ford Escape Titanium has "SYNC" by Microsoft. It has issues, STILL does. Later, in December 11, 2014, Ford announced Sync 3, which will replace MyFord Touch, will have simpler features and will be powered by QNX software by BlackBerry Limited instead of Microsoft!!! Future versions will run on the Android operating system from Google!
I see that I can upgrade our system to SYNC 3 but dunno if it's worth it on this 2013 SUV.
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This guy says it would be difficult for this to be corruption/political because of all the individual steps to get the warrant. Yet he does say that there is a high probability this went all the way to the AG for sign off. It will be interesting to see what's in the warrant when it becomes public.
Which aside from this particular bullshit, makes me glad Garland never made it to the SC. Between his attacks on parents and his continually identifying everyone and their brother as extremists, he appears to have quietly become one of the most political AGs ever.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-raids-trumps-mar-a-lago-unprecedented-agency-execute-search-warrant-former-president
Ought to be revealed soon, too. Look how soon the Roe v. Wade decision was leaked. Oh, wait! Wrong political direction! Sorry.
Woody
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Sneaky thought I can't dispel: "What if the attorney was the informer?"
(Assuming all suppositions are correct. This kind of laundry isn't drip-dry wrinkle-free. What, you never heard of counter-counter-counter-counter counterintelligence operatives?)
=D
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https://babylonbee.com/news/brilliant-trump-saves-his-cache-of-classified-documents-from-fbi-confiscation-by-labeling-them-epsteins-client-list
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We should all be thankful for Trump for saying some of the quiet stuff out loud. More people are in varying stages of being awake than there was before his presidency. That alone makes him a good if not great President. It was probably too little too late but it was something.
Of course I voted for GW twice and now despise him greatly. There's a good chance that I'll despise Trump some day the same way once more info is leaked out. The flower fell off his bloom for me when he embraced the experimental gene therapy "vaccine". That's a big red flag I still can't get past.
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What if... the feebs are tired of the crap, and ensured that anything found wouldn't be allowed to be admissible?
2020-too is getting so oulde...
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I can't remember the link anymore, but like a year or two ago, perd posted a link to some guy who tells you how or will do it for you and also sells smartphones that are completely locked down from snoopers. I've on occasion thought that would be a good investment.
Not sure if he's still doing it
https://www.youtube.com/c/BraxMe
https://brax.me/home/rob
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We should all be thankful for Trump for saying some of the quiet stuff out loud.
What quiet things?
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I don't know if it was what Trump said or just the leftist's reaction to him. The left's reaction to him was to almost completely drop any illusion of being centrist or moderate. They all started acting and speaking as hard leftists and showed a very hard authoritarian view. I am not sure we have yet seen the full public response to that. I think a lot of the exposure to that has generated a great deal of amateur response on YouTube and other platforms that has exposed a lot of stuff people didn't realize. It has kicked off independent outfits like Daily Wire. I don't think we have seen the end of that trend.
On another note:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VVD9NdrltI
Victor Davis Hanson did this interview a couple weeks ago. One thing he mentioned that was unique among Republican Presidents is his Supreme Court nominations haven't become leftists. You can argue about some decisions, but mostly they have been good. That is an interesting difference.
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On another note:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VVD9NdrltI
Victor Davis Hanson did this interview a couple weeks ago. One thing he mentioned that was unique among Republican Presidents is his Supreme Court nominations haven't become leftists. You can argue about some decisions, but mostly they have been good. That is an interesting difference.
I always figured that leftist brainwashing took place around the water coolers of SCOTUS. It's just like advertising. Truth doesn't matter, only the number of psychological impacts do.
"Hey, newbie. We, the Supreme Court Justices, are here to insure the benefit of the people." Repeat ad infinitum.
It doesn't matter that the "benefit of the people" was codified 200+ years ago by some pretty sharp cookies. What matters is that the prevailing concepts of "benefit" be served, and that these prevailing concepts are repeated and repeated... around the Supreme Court water coolers.
Trump, not being a practiced politician, probably figured this out and rather than make "compromise" nominations who would flex with the wind near the water coolers, made nominations who he figured would stick to their guns. Ahem, koff, koff.
That's the way I see it. Successive conceptual impacts by the leftist do-gooders on the Court were no longer going to be effective.
"Tell a lie often enough...."
Terry, 230RN
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Basically, Trump put out a message that resonated with all the people who got jaded by the takeover of the Tea Party by the big bus politicians... We've been out here, and we're not going to be going away. The Democrats REALLY do not like the concept of grass roots activism unless they organize it from the top down.
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I always figured that leftist brainwashing took place around the water coolers of SCOTUS. It's just like advertising. Truth doesn't matter, only the number of psychological impacts do.
"Hey, newbie. We, the Supreme Court Justices, are here to insure the benefit of the people." Repeat ad infinitum.
It doesn't matter that the "benefit of the people" was codified 200+ years ago by some pretty sharp cookies. What matters is that the prevailing concepts of "benefit" be served, and that these prevailing concepts are repeated and repeated... around the Supreme Court water coolers.
Trump, not being a practiced politician, probably figured this out and rather than make "compromise" nominations who would flex with the wind near the water coolers, made nominations who he figured would stick to their guns. Ahem, koff, koff.
That's the way I see it. Successive conceptual impacts by the leftist do-gooders on the Court were no longer going to be effective.
"Tell a lie often enough...."
Terry, 230RN
One important thing that helped is Harry Reid dumping the filibuster rule for SC Justices. Trump did not need to nominate a compromise candidate.
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And now the Hillary connection.
And this is coming from Newsweek of all places.
For Hillary? ‘No warrant. No raid’: Receipt-field thread shares DAMNING deets about man behind FBI’s raid on Trump’s home
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/08/11/for-hillary-no-warrant-no-raid-receipt-field-thread-shares-damning-deets-about-man-behind-fbis-raid-on-trumps-home/
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I just heard this on the teevee, so it likely needs verification, but they said that Trump's attorney was told to wait in the driveway. Also, "It was requested that all video surveillance in the house be turned off, but it's unclear if that was done".
If Trump's people found a way to keep the cameras on, that might be an interesting show to watch, especially if the cameras have audio.
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I just heard this on the teevee, so it likely needs verification, but they said that Trump's attorney was told to wait in the driveway. Also, "It was requested that all video surveillance in the house be turned off, but it's unclear if that was done".
If Trump's people found a way to keep the cameras on, that might be an interesting show to watch, especially if the cameras have audio.
I wonder if the Secret Service was also told to wait outside, and what - if any - role they had.
And . . . did the FBI agents on the raid themselves have high enough clearances to take possession of the classified materials Trump allegedly had?
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I just heard this on the teevee, so it likely needs verification, but they said that Trump's attorney was told to wait in the driveway. Also, "It was requested that all video surveillance in the house be turned off, but it's unclear if that was done".
If Trump's people found a way to keep the cameras on, that might be an interesting show to watch, especially if the cameras have audio.
What I heard:
1. Requested cameras to be turned off, but that was refused. Not sure what happened beyond that.
2. FBI refused request for lawyers to witness the search.
3. Trump's lawyer only saw the warrant from 10 feet away. They refused to provide a copy or let her see it closely.
4. I heard the search lasted all day. Morning until 5 or 6 PM. Not sure what they were doing all that time consider what we were told they took.
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What I heard:
1. Requested cameras to be turned off, but that was refused. Not sure what happened beyond that.
2. FBI refused request for lawyers to witness the search.
3. Trump's lawyer only saw the warrant from 10 feet away. They refused to provide a copy or let her see it closely.
4. I heard the search lasted all day. Morning until 5 or 6 PM. Not sure what they were doing all that time consider what we were told they took.
On #3, all of the left is calling Trump a liar for not producing a copy of the warrant.
On #4, Images seem to indicate that instead of a half dozen guys in suits and a couple of plain, black Suburbans, the FBI came rolling in with lights, a bunch of uniformed backup, and battle rattle guys with those evil assault rifles posted at the gates for a good visual.
That's like the tenth high profile showboat raid on prominent republicans in the last couple of years for stuff that should be handled between lawyers or with minimal interaction with a couple of plainclothes LE and with CNN not finding out until after it happened, versus being on-scene.
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Yes thy went there
Blue-checked Florida journo uses Ivana Trump’s death to take sick shot at Donald Trump over Mar-a-Lago raid
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/08/11/blue-checked-florida-journo-uses-ivana-trumps-death-to-take-sick-shot-at-donald-trump-over-mar-a-lago-raid/
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Now the AG didn't know about it
They expect us to believe that no one at the top knew about a 30+ agent all day raid on a former pres's house before hand if true.
Newsweek: AG Garland Had 'No Prior Knowledge' of Mar-a-Lago Raid
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2022/08/11/newsweek-ag-garland-had-no-prior-knowledge-of-maralago-raid-n2611580
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https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/10/newsweek-the-fbis-raid-on-mar-a-lago-was-supposed-to-be-low-profile/
Exclusive: An Informer Told the FBI What Docs Trump Was Hiding, and Where
https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-informer-told-fbi-what-docs-trump-was-hiding-where-1732283?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1660156939
This is a CYA article. Someone was putting out quotes trying to "explain" things.
The raid on Mar-a-Lago was based largely on information from an FBI confidential human source, one who was able to identify what classified documents former President Trump was still hiding and even the location of those documents, two senior government officials told Newsweek.
If that were true, it should have been a quick in and out search and not taken all day.....or they were doing other tasks or searching for something else.
FBI decision-makers in Washington and Miami thought that denying the former president a photo opportunity or a platform from which to grandstand (or to attempt to thwart the raid) would lower the profile of the event, says one of the sources, a senior Justice Department official who is a 30-year veteran of the FBI.
=D Predictable outcomes.
The senior Justice Department source says that Garland was regularly briefed on the Records Act investigation, and that he knew about the grand jury and what material federal prosecutors were seeking. He insists, though, that Garland had no prior knowledge of the date and time of the specific raid, nor was he asked to approve it. "I know it's hard for people to believe," says the official, "but this was a matter for the U.S. Attorney and the FBI."
That quote tells me Garland knew exactly what they planned to do. He might not have been told the exact time, so they could say quotes like this with a straight face.
From other stuff I have heard, past (recent) presidents have removed classified material from the White House upon leaving and there was little effort to retrieve it. I also heard people in the govt knew what was there and consulted on making sure it was secure. IMO, this is just using the thousands of federal laws as an excuse to go after the people they choose.
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I guess in today world I need to tell you this is the Babylon Bee
Report: FBI Raided Mar-A-Lago After Tip That Parents Were Protesting A School Board Meeting There
https://babylonbee.com/news/report-fbi-raided-mar-a-lago-on-false-tip-that-parents-were-protesting-a-school-board-meeting-there
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3. Trump's lawyer only saw the warrant from 10 feet away. They refused to provide a copy or let her see it closely.
IF THAT'S TRUE, they didn't actually present a warrant . . . which IMHO makes this a warrantless search.
Of course, one of their tame judges will say otherwise, and it's hard to argue with a couple of squads of agents with machine guns.
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3. Trump's lawyer only saw the warrant from 10 feet away. They refused to provide a copy or let her see it closely.
How is that even legal?
The agents reportedly searched Melania's wardrobe. Supposedly the warrant specified what they were looking for and where they were entitled to look for it. I'd like to know if Melani's closet and personal clothing were listed.
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How is that even legal?
The agents reportedly searched Melania's wardrobe. Supposedly the warrant specified what they were looking for and where they were entitled to look for it. I'd like to know if Melani's closet and personal clothing were listed.
Just be happy that Melania and Barron weren't there, standing hand in hand near an open window or in a doorway or something
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Just be happy that Melania and Barron weren't there, standing hand in hand near an open window or in a doorway or something
Surely Lon Horiuchi has retired by now.
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Looks like someone had beef with FBI close by.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-chased-break-fbis-cincinnati-office-police/story?id=88246982
Trump supporter? Dem dude taking advantage and wanting it to make Trump supporters look bad? Or just a nut job….
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Maybe it's more an issue of when they got it, but people on Trump's team said they got the warrant.
Bobb said the FBI indeed gave her a copy of the warrant, along with an attachment describing what they were looking for
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Now the AG didn't know about it
They expect us to believe that no one at the top knew about a 30+ agent all day raid on a former pres's house before hand if true.
Newsweek: AG Garland Had 'No Prior Knowledge' of Mar-a-Lago Raid
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2022/08/11/newsweek-ag-garland-had-no-prior-knowledge-of-maralago-raid-n2611580
No prior knowledge, my ass. He just admitted personally signing off on it.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-asks-court-unseal-mar-a-lago-raid-warrant-ag-merrick-garland-personally-signed-off-trump-search
Brad
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IF THAT'S TRUE, they didn't actually present a warrant . . . which IMHO makes this a warrantless search.
Agreed and, again if true, that will be the nail in their coffin. If this goes to SCOTUS, which it will, that and that alone dooms the FBI's actions.
Besides, the FBI never lies to people (including judges) to get what they want, do they?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy5A8VIWmxg
Brad
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Well hopefully soon we'll all get to see the warrant:
At the time the warrant was initially executed, the Department provided notice directly to former President Trump’s counsel. The Department did not make any public statements about the search, and the search apparently attracted little or no public attention as it was taking place. Later that same day, former President Trump issued a public statement acknowledging the execution of the warrant. In the days since, the search warrant and related materials have been the subject of significant interest and attention from news media organizations and other entities.
In these circumstances involving a search of the residence of a former President, the government hereby requests that the Court unseal the Notice of Filing and its attachment (Docket Entry 17), absent objection by former President Trump.
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Maybe it's more an issue of when they got it, but people on Trump's team said they got the warrant.
That may be true. If they waited until later on to provide it, all the initial reports would have already said they didn't hand it over.
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Maybe it's more an issue of when they got it, but people on Trump's team said they got the warrant.
I guess we will find out how important this is as well. If this is true, I don't see how it justified a full blown search warrant execution.
2 - Bobb further states, "as far as I can tell, it has nothing to do with January 6th."
She suggests that the documents were akin to a "handwritten note from a prime minister."
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Now the real question is
How many pieces of Melania's underwear is now missing?
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I don't know about fed rules, but in Texas a copy of the warrant must be presented as a condition of LEO entry unless it meets the stated criteria for a no-knock. In addition, any items removed must be inventoried, documented in writing, and provided to the person of residence or their representative at time of taking. Provisions specific to the above are spelled out in Texas Code of Criminal Procedure § 1(18). The part about presentation and inventory is in § 1(18)06b
Brad
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How many pieces of Melania's underwear is now missing?
Everyone (as always) makes it all about DJT, but they are missing the obvious. They searched Melania's clothes because she was the real target.
The subpoena factored into a visit thatJay Bratt, the Justice Department’s top counterintelligence official, made with a small group of other federal officials to Mar-a-Lago weeks later, in early June, one of the people said.
She was a spy all along. [tinfoil] [popcorn] :laugh:
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Everyone (as always) makes it all about DJT, but they are missing the obvious. They searched Melania's clothes because she was the real target.She was a spy all along. [tinfoil] [popcorn] :laugh:
So it's true that her real middle name is FangFang and her brother was Dianne Feinstein's driver? :O
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So it's true that her real middle name is FangFang and her brother was Dianne Feinstein's driver? :O
Well she doesn't look asian from what I've seen (and with Melania it doesn't take much google skill to see all of her ;)) but maybe I better take another look just to confirm my memory.
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Now I got this image in my head of a FBI agent tucking his junk in and dancing in front of a mirror while wearing Melania's underwear.
Kill me.
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Now I got this image in my head of a FBI agent tucking his junk in and dancing in front of a mirror while wearing Melania's underwear.
Kill me.
No one asked you to do that.
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Now I got this image in my head of a FBI agent tucking his junk in and dancing in front of a mirror while wearing Melania's underwear.
... while ordering Trump to put the lotion on his skin.
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Now I got this image in my head of a FBI agent tucking his junk in and dancing in front of a mirror while wearing Melania's underwear.
Kill me.
Now you don’t have to imagine.
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Looks like someone had beef with FBI close by.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-chased-break-fbis-cincinnati-office-police/story?id=88246982
Trump supporter? Dem dude taking advantage and wanting it to make Trump supporters look bad? Or just a nut job….
Timing is suspect. Too convenient
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Now I got this image in my head of a FBI agent tucking his junk in and dancing in front of a mirror while wearing Melania's underwear.
Kill me.
And no one asked you to share that you did. [barf]
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You had to go there, didn't you
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Developing ...
FBI Was Looking For Classified Nuclear Secrets During Mar-a-Lago Raid: Leak
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FBI Was Looking For Classified Nuclear Secrets During Mar-a-Lago Raid: Leak
Wouldn’t be surprised if the FBI "found" something in an attempt to force feed this stale pasta.
Not gonna lie, former Trump voter here... ...but in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the nuclear codes.
[popcorn]
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Yea seeing the left jump all over the “nuclear secrets” narrative being pushed on Twitter..
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Now I got this image in my head of a FBI agent tucking his junk in and dancing in front of a mirror while wearing Melania's underwear.
Kill me.
More agents would find a fit had they raided Michelle Obama's closet . . .
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Developing ...
FBI Was Looking For Classified Nuclear Secrets During Mar-a-Lago Raid: Leak
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9d/ca/14/9dca14ae61422d8c4fec0a836fbb79ba.jpg)
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National Archives concerned enough about "nuclear records" to call in a strike? Horse *expletive deleted*it.
DOD? Sure. DHS? possibly. DOE? Maybe. NRC? Remote, but still a chance. National Archives? No, or at least it should be 'No'. They collect presidential booger smears and politically compromising PR photos. I see them as a scapegoat, a way to try and save face, an excuse. Blame it on the demands of a traditionally low-profile and less politically-perceived office to shift focus away from the more high-profile agencies. If the raid really was predicated on their demands, then weaponization of Fed.Gov agencies is truly complete.
Brad
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Going full nuclear for their press leak is a bold move. Not that some document might innocuously have the word "nuclear" on it, but they're playing this the way anti-nuclear people play up "nuclear energy" and "Chernobyl".
This is no different than "The White House only learned of the raid through Twitter", or, "Garland had no idea, oh, wait, Garland courageously signed off on it."
One side is going to accuse Trump of selling all our nuke secrets to Ukraine, and the other side, even if classified* nuke docs are found, are going to say it's a setup. I'm going to go the middle road: There's probably a document that has "nuclear" mentioned in an innocuous fashion, and the FBI is going to turn it into treason.
*There is still the question regarding any of this being classified at all. The President is the ultimate declassification authority. If Trump took these docs prior to Biden being sworn in, he always has, " I declassified them" to fall back on. Given that he followed protocol. Knowing Trump, he may not have, so there will be a question regarding how they were declassified. We also have the question on if they were actually classified at all. At this point, I'll easily believe the FBI and the administration are and will manipulate things.
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I'll easily believe the FBI and the administration and the MSM are and will manipulate things.
FIFY
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FIFY
Edit accepted. =)
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Y'all a bunch of Nazis
ABC guest claims anyone who’s pissed about the FBI’s raid on Trump’s home is a neo-Nazi because Garland is Jewish … say what? (watch)
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/08/12/abc-guest-claims-anyone-whos-pissed-about-the-fbis-raid-on-trumps-home-is-a-neo-nazi-because-garland-is-jewish-say-what-watch/
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Y'all a bunch of Nazis
ABC guest claims anyone who’s pissed about the FBI’s raid on Trump’s home is a neo-Nazi because Garland is Jewish … say what? (watch)
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/08/12/abc-guest-claims-anyone-whos-pissed-about-the-fbis-raid-on-trumps-home-is-a-neo-nazi-because-garland-is-jewish-say-what-watch/
Which just underscores that they have nothing.
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Garland is still pissed off because his nomination as Supreme Court justice died on the vine of Obama's lame duck nomination, and Trump's election put the final stake though its heart.
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Garland is still pissed off because his nomination as Supreme Court justice died on the vine of Obama's lame duck nomination, and Trump's election put the final stake though its heart.
And aren't we all a whole lot better off for that. =)
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With Trump be careful what you ask for :rofl:
ARGLE RAR! Lefties who’ve spent days taunting Trump to ‘ReLeAsE tHe WaRrAnT’ freak TF OUT when Trump releases the warrant and LOL
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/08/12/argle-rar-lefties-whove-spent-days-taunting-trump-to-release-the-warrant-freak-tf-out-when-trump-releases-the-warrant-and-lol/
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With Trump be careful what you ask for :rofl:
ARGLE RAR! Lefties who’ve spent days taunting Trump to ‘ReLeAsE tHe WaRrAnT’ freak TF OUT when Trump releases the warrant and LOL
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/08/12/argle-rar-lefties-whove-spent-days-taunting-trump-to-release-the-warrant-freak-tf-out-when-trump-releases-the-warrant-and-lol/
Why are FBI lives more important the SC Justice lives?
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They got him this time, for sure. [popcorn]
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TRUMP: "ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS ASK" pic.twitter.com/RGfjbbmVTD
— Charlie Spiering (@charliespiering) August 12, 2022
Trump says everything seized by the FBI had already been declassified and could have been taken whenever they wanted it. pic.twitter.com/Gf3WMbUUcU
— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) August 12, 2022
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/08/12/trump-statement-has-info-related-to-the-fbi-document-seizure-were-not-hearing-from-doj-or-media/
:P
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They got him this time, for sure. [popcorn]
Not sure if sarcastic, but Trump is guilty of a ton of stuff.
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Not sure if sarcastic, but Trump is guilty of a ton of stuff.
What is Trump guilty of? Granted, I sort of tuned out the last few months but if Trump is guilty of a ton of stuff I would think that would be news.
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What is Trump guilty of? Granted, I sort of tuned out the last few months but if Trump is guilty of a ton of stuff I would think that would be news.
Pretty much everything he has been accused of.
The guy is a slime ball. He was a slimy Democrat businessman long before he became a slimy republican president. He lies, cheats, and steals his way through life. There is almost nothing good about him.
Yet, for some strange reason, people here and all over the US think he can do no wrong.
If Biden or Clinton (either one) was going through the exact same FBI search and seizure that Trump is going through, this whole board would be screaming for their immediate incarceration.
The guy is trash, yet may of you defend him. Why?
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Pretty much everything he has been accused of.
The guy is a slime ball. He was a slimy Democrat businessman long before he became a slimy republican president. He lies, cheats, and steals his way through life. There is almost nothing good about him.
Yet, for some strange reason, people here and all over the US think he can do no wrong.
If Biden or Clinton (either one) was going through the exact same FBI search and seizure that Trump is going through, this whole board would be screaming for their immediate incarceration.
The guy is trash, yet may of you defend him. Why?
Maybe because of statements like that (bold) which is such an exaggeration that you might think Trump said it. He has been accused of quite a bit of false stuff. At least keep it to things that can be proven instead of making general statements that mean nothing. Makes you sound like a politician. =)
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Pretty much everything he has been accused of.
The guy is a slime ball. He was a slimy Democrat businessman long before he became a slimy republican president. He lies, cheats, and steals his way through life. There is almost nothing good about him.
Yet, for some strange reason, people here and all over the US think he can do no wrong.
If Biden or Clinton (either one) was going through the exact same FBI search and seizure that Trump is going through, this whole board would be screaming for their immediate incarceration.
The guy is trash, yet may of you defend him. Why?
Slimy as he may be, his policies were over all a benefit to the country. One could argue that no crimes should be unpunished, but that is not the case, Trump seems to be the one singled out. The Clintons and Bidens are thoroughly corrupt and have sold out the country to our enemies multiple times. It doesn't matter how blatant or obvious the Democrats and their minions engage in criminal activity, they are almost never held accountable. Hillary was found to have committed multiple violations of the espionage act and destroyed evidence, yet there were no consequences. Russiagate was nothing less than a failed coup attempt by the Dems with the help of the FBI.
Two impeachment attempts failed. You would think that they would be able to find some actual evidence of something he has done, but they have not.
In the end, it's not really about justice anyway. The Democrats don't give a crap about who committed what crime. They see Trump as standing in the way of their totalitarian dreams, that cannot be tolerated.
Trump is not someone I would have picked to be a Presidential candidate, I would prefer a DeSantis or Paul. He may be a scumbag buffoon, but dammit, he's our scumbag. If he can continue to block the leftists agenda I am willing to overlook his warts. Eff the Democrats.
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A question was asked, "What is he (Trump) guilty of?"
The detailed answer:
The guy is a slime ball . . .
He was a slimy Democrat businessman . . .
He lies, cheats, and steals his way through life . . .
There is almost nothing good about him . . .
The guy is trash . . .
You forgot Russia collusion, the Steele dossier Hillary paid for, the Hunter Biden laptop full of disinformation he conspired with the Russians to plant, and the INSURRECTION! he fomented by advocating a "patriotic and peaceful" - his words - protest. (The country is lucky that INSURRECTION! didn't rise to the level of a PEACEFUL PROTEST.)
Trump may not be everything we'd like to see in a POTUS and his governance wasn't perfect (for example, he spent too much money even BEFORE covid) but most of his policies were better than what we had before or after - and here's an image that sums things up pretty well:
(https://i.imgflip.com/3bykcn.jpg)
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Trump may not be everything we'd like to see in a POTUS and his governance wasn't perfect (for example, he spent too much money even BEFORE covid) but most of his policies were better than what we had before or after - and here's an image that sums things up pretty well:
(https://i.imgflip.com/3bykcn.jpg)
I agree. Whatever you think of Trump, and even if he is guilty of everything he's ever been accused of*, it's not about Trump, it's about us. They are making Trump a martyr representing government overreach and biased application of the law. Tulsi Gabbard says it well:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/tulsi-gabbard-trump-raid-set-dangerous-new-course
*While he's likely as guilty of stuff as any politician is, every "world shattering" thing he has been accused of has turned into a nothingburger, or something setup by political opponents (Hi, Hillary!). It's not so much about Trump doing something wrong, but the application of the law against Trump vs anyone (or their families), D or R, in the DC political dynasty.
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Vice President Kamala Harris said on Friday that she has "full confidence" in the Department of Justice after the search warrant that was used during the FBI raid of former President Trump's Florida residence was unsealed.
"Well, as a former prosecutor, I will tell you, I don't speak about anybody else's case, but I have full confidence that the Department of Justice will do with the facts and the law requires," Harris said in response to a reporter's question.
Oh brother. ;/
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I think this will be the end of Trump's ambition to run in 2024. To me, it's a foregone conclusion that he will be indicted, he will be tried in DC, and he will be convicted. The trial being conducted in DC guarantees a conviction, regardless of his actual guilt. Jail is a real possibility in my opinion.
The Democrats (and their minions in the Swamp) would not have taken such a self-destructive chance if they didn't have all of their (il)legal ducks in a row. They likely decided on the charges and picked the judge for the trial even before the raid was conducted. Evidence from the raid won't matter as they will just manufacture whatever is necessary to bring charges.
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Merrick Garland just made a comment that in a search it was standard practice for the DOJ to " . . . narrowly scope any search that is undertaken."
The "scope" of this search was anything dated from Jan 20, 2017 to Jan 20, 2021 . . . in other words, every single thing during the whole of Trump's presidency!
"Narrowly scope" my patootie.
I'm no fan of Mitch McConnell, but I'd like to buy Mitch a beer for keeping Merrick Garland off the Supreme Court - AG is awful, but having him on SCOTUS would have been ghastly.
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I think this will be the end of Trump's ambition to run in 2024. To me, it's a foregone conclusion that he will be indicted, he will be tried in DC, and he will be convicted. The trial being conducted in DC guarantees a conviction, regardless of his actual guilt. Jail is a real possibility in my opinion.
The Democrats (and their minions in the Swamp) would not have taken such a self-destructive chance if they didn't have all of their (il)legal ducks in a row. They likely decided on the charges and picked the judge for the trial even before the raid was conducted. Evidence from the raid won't matter as they will just manufacture whatever is necessary to bring charges.
Related to this, I saw the below comments by Bill Maher, and somewhat agree. A lot of people believe this will make Trump a shoe-in to run in 2024, and think it's a good thing. I'm kind of the opinion that Maher is stating here, that in many ways, it could sabotage the Republican primaries. This debacle makes me want to vote for Trump out of spite, but I still believe DeSantis (or by 2024, someone like DeSantis) would be a much better candidate and President. With tinfoil on, one might think that this whole raid was a DNC op.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/bill-maher-admits-fbi-raid-saving-trump-politically-fortune-finally-falling
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The ever-unbiased Business Insider makes the point on being a martyr and "Trump is in the way". The article is a perfect example of wanting to try a shoplifter for murder:
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-fbi-espionage-act-january6-search-warrant-federal-laws-broken-2022-8
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Making liberals cry is a capital offense. Actual murder is peanuts in comparison.
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... This debacle makes me want to vote for Trump out of spite...
https://www.foxnews.com/media/bill-maher-admits-fbi-raid-saving-trump-politically-fortune-finally-falling
Me too.
Many I know admitted to voting for Trump in '16 from base emotions. Rather than Hillary, I would have voted for my wife's drunken Aunt Shirley if she was in the (R) column. Same with 2020, but Uncle Joe the pedo clown was met less with hate and more with rolled eyes and sighs of exasperation.
Trump delivered. He rebuilt the Supreme Court. He unplugged enough liberal tears to fill Lake Mead, and gave an uncensored peek behind the wizard's curtain.
DC has gone full Cptn. Caine with this latest boondoggle Unless the DNC has an ace up their sleeve, I cant imagine DC's constant Trumptrot doing anything but alienating all but the leftmost voters.
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Trump delivered. He rebuilt the Supreme Court. He unplugged enough liberal tears to fill Lake Mead, and gave an uncensored peek behind the wizard's curtain.
Exactly. They may all be crooks of one kind or another, and if Trump lost 100 points with me from Twitter and even illegal behavior, he gained 1,000,000 points with me for his SC and judicial appointments, as well as, as you said, pulling aside the curtain.
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I was of the opinion that Trump was overdone and voting for him a third time would be contributing to more strife than solutions in the country. Now? I'm back to Gingrich's 94 takeover was a polite request delivered on then squandered, the Tea Party was asking nicely, Trump was a warning.
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Trump is a boor, a bully, and a narcissist. That doesn’t make him guilty of any of the crimes he’s been accused of.
Given they didn’t provide the warrant until later, demanded no witnesses to the search, and that security cameras be turned off during the raid (unclear thus far if they were) I fully expect them to plant/manufacture evidence to convict. He’d get anything overturned by SCOTUS, but the odd of that happening in time for the election are very slim. Trump would basically have to appeal the admission of evidence straight to SCOTUS before the trial was even over for that to be even remotely possible. And they would reject for lack of standing. Dems will do everything they can to run any trial during primary season with conviction and immediate execution of sentence (not implying death penalty, just start of imprisonment) so even if he won the primary he can’t campaign. Even if SCOTUS took it as an immediate emergency appeal it’s doubtful they could complete the case before the election.
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Trump is a boor, a bully, and a narcissist. That doesn’t make him guilty of any of the crimes he’s been accused of.
Given they didn’t provide the warrant until later, demanded no witnesses to the search, and that security cameras be turned off during the raid (unclear thus far if they were) I fully expect them to plant/manufacture evidence to convict. He’d get anything overturned by SCOTUS, but the odd of that happening in time for the election are very slim. Trump would basically have to appeal the admission of evidence straight to SCOTUS before the trial was even over for that to be even remotely possible. And they would reject for lack of standing. Dems will do everything they can to run any trial during primary season with conviction and immediate execution of sentence (not implying death penalty, just start of imprisonment) so even if he won the primary he can’t campaign. Even if SCOTUS took it as an immediate emergency appeal it’s doubtful they could complete the case before the election.
SCOTUS has done things pretty quickly before if there was a national interest. The 2000 election issues in Florida was decided in days. Not the same thing, just an example.
The assumption I am hearing is that the establishment will have all their ducks in a row on this and Trump won't be able to defend himself. Given all the events over the last 6 years, IMO, the people involved in this stuff have never had all their ducks in a row and I don't think this will be the first time they do. As always, we will see.
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Another reason, despite his personality, that people are rallying around Trump and against the establishment.
HE SCRATCHED A FLOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/13/newly-released-government-documents-show-donald-trump-scratched-the-floor-of-the-lincoln-memorial-in-2020/
They keep giving him victim status that ordinary Americans rally around him for. Not because he's Trump, but because we see these attacks against us every day.
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And I'm sure after millions of tourists not a single one of those scratches on the floor was there before Trump
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Amazing what these idiots will believe
BREAKING: Donald Trump is fundraising off the FBI search of his home by sending out the “nuclear codes.”
Let me make this clear: If you send that man even one penny you are not a patriot. You are a traitor.
— Jon Cooper (@joncoopertweets) August 12, 2022
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/13/fact-check-donald-trump-did-not-send-out-a-fundraising-email-containing-the-nuke-codes/
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Amazing what these idiots will believe
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/13/fact-check-donald-trump-did-not-send-out-a-fundraising-email-containing-the-nuke-codes/
I don't think this person believed they were real codes, even though she appears to have one of the worst cases of TDS that I have ever seen. What she does appear to be doing is getting mad at a Trump fundraising email (that turned out to be fake) doing the same thing Hillary Clinton does with her "but her emails" fundraising merch.
Just more lefty hypocrisy in action.
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The TDS is at an all time high. I don't even like the guy but I've started defending him just to hear the rrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeee Trump.
The next one you hear screaming tell them that Obama signed an EO making the President and Vice President exempt from classified records law. It's like asking a climate green about building more nuclear and fixing the grid so we are not sitting in the dark when everyone plugs in their electric car.
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Pretty much everything he has been accused of.
The guy is a slime ball. He was a slimy Democrat businessman long before he became a slimy republican president. He lies, cheats, and steals his way through life. There is almost nothing good about him.
Yet, for some strange reason, people here and all over the US think he can do no wrong.
If Biden or Clinton (either one) was going through the exact same FBI search and seizure that Trump is going through, this whole board would be screaming for their immediate incarceration.
The guy is trash, yet may of you defend him. Why?
Because under him my taxes decreased, my pay went up significantly and the Democrats have been screaming for what, 7 years now because of him.
I don’t give a *expletive deleted*ck about him being a slimeball, but I care DEEPLY about my bank account. The guy after him has *expletive deleted*ed up ALL the progress I made under Trump. I am now effectively washed back 6 years of raises with the inflation, my 401K is dropping like a v-tail Bonanza full of doctors, and the of course Biden is ever conspiring to do more damage to my life.
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my 401K is dropping like a v-tail Bonanza full of doctors,
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Nuke codes sent: "1234password"
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I don’t give a *expletive deleted*ck about him being a slimeball, but I care DEEPLY about my bank account.
I wish more people were this honest.
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Pretty much everything he has been accused of.
The guy is a slime ball. He was a slimy Democrat businessman long before he became a slimy republican president. He lies, cheats, and steals his way through life. There is almost nothing good about him.
Yet, for some strange reason, people here and all over the US think he can do no wrong.
If Biden or Clinton (either one) was going through the exact same FBI search and seizure that Trump is going through, this whole board would be screaming for their immediate incarceration.
The guy is trash, yet may of you defend him. Why?
My aunt lived in the same Wilmington neighborhood as the Bidens did until around the late 90’s or early 2000’s. My cousin played with Hunter and Beau as kids and that same cousin mowed their yard. My aunt would have FAR worse to say about the Bidens than you have about DJT.
Given the choice why did you pick Biden?
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My aunt lived in the same Wilmington neighborhood as the Bidens did until around the late 90’s or early 2000’s. My cousin played with Hunter and Beau as kids and that same cousin mowed their yard. My aunt would have FAR worse to say about the Bidens than you have about DJT.
Given the choice why did you pick Biden?
Sit down and pour the tea, as the kids say.
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FBI Raid : Does Trump Have Epstein's Client List?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtS9qWjkjkU
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my 401K is dropping like a v-tail Bonanza full of doctors
Holy Cow :rofl:
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My 401K is actually finally positive on the year. But if we can convince lawyers to use V-tail Bonanzas then I will be willing to take a hit.
People worried about Trump and nuke codes, wow, have they seen the current palsied hand on the button?
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If Trump has the nuke codes . . . does that mean Biden has been looking for them with increasing desperation since his inauguration? :O
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If Trump has the nuke codes . . . does that mean Biden has been looking for them with increasing desperation since his inauguration? :O
Nah. To pacify him, his handlers gave him a sack of Scrabble tiles and told him it was the encrypted codes.
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I wish more people were this honest.
Yep. The ends don't justify the means, but the ends do matter.
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Thinking about this more, it has been less than week. We now have the White House moving from "We found out on twitter and we don't interfere" to Garland admitting he signed off on the raid. So far it doesn't sound like they thought all this through. This in addition to the Judge having connections to Epstein among other things.
All I can do is watch for the next couple months so we will see.
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FBI Raid : Does Trump Have Epstein's Client List?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtS9qWjkjkU
A little more light on how that Judge had connections to Epstein. More details on that would be interesting.
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Slimy as he may be, his policies were over all a benefit to the country. One could argue that no crimes should be unpunished, but that is not the case, Trump seems to be the one singled out. The Clintons and Bidens are thoroughly corrupt and have sold out the country to our enemies multiple times. It doesn't matter how blatant or obvious the Democrats and their minions engage in criminal activity, they are almost never held accountable. Hillary was found to have committed multiple violations of the espionage act and destroyed evidence, yet there were no consequences. Russiagate was nothing less than a failed coup attempt by the Dems with the help of the FBI.
Two impeachment attempts failed. You would think that they would be able to find some actual evidence of something he has done, but they have not.
In the end, it's not really about justice anyway. The Democrats don't give a crap about who committed what crime. They see Trump as standing in the way of their totalitarian dreams, that cannot be tolerated.
Trump is not someone I would have picked to be a Presidential candidate, I would prefer a DeSantis or Paul. He may be a scumbag buffoon, but dammit, he's our scumbag. If he can continue to block the leftists agenda I am willing to overlook his warts. Eff the Democrats.
Bolding mine
Fair agreement here. Plus two words: "Judicial Appointments."
You almost can't do business without some toe-stepping, but if you for some reason attain national prominence, the stepees will blow it out of proportion.
Unless you're a well-armored and insulated Democrat.
Take it or leave it, but there are some people I hope never get on my jury.
Terry
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Globalists (and by extension their democrat wing) are at a point where they feel they can just strong arm anything through, no need to pretend or conceal (or carefully plan) anymore. They have gotten used to a real passivity in the population. Probably explains a lot of what is going on at this time, the question is did they get ahead of themselves with these latest shenanigans?
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I do hate defending Trump, truthfully the guy is really sketchy, always has been. Our politics is like "The Sopranos" series, there are no good guys. I was well on my way of getting past him but the flurry of court rulings sort of moderated my disillusionment with him potentially being the standard bearer again. Having only gangsters and intel operatives to choose from is really a conundrum.
Unless you are the type who can just not care and not vote. Voting gets you invested, there is an emotional aspect to the ritual. Once emotions are involved it's easier to be manipulated. Once invested you can fall into the sunk cost fallacy and hang in there way too long. I did that with GWB. I'm probably doing it with Trump. Ignoring red flags and rationalizing even my now only tepid support of him.
We vote for people, claim and identify with the positive things they've done and refuse to take personal responsibility for the bad things they've done.
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This is a bit of a tangent, but it certainly brings to light to me some of the division in this country. A guy to Rand Paul (regarding Paul saying we should repeal the Espionage Act because of abuse):
David Weissman
@davidmweissman
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Replying to @RandPaul
Isn’t your job to make laws, not take them away?
9:18 PM · Aug 13, 2022
One side wants everything fixed via new laws and regulations, the other wants fewer laws and more freedom, even if it means some guilty go free (I, and I'm guessing most of APS are on the latter side).
Looking at this guy's Twitter profile, he looks like the kind of .mil guy who is big on "I was just following orders".
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/08/14/cue-the-mouth-breather-meltdown-rand-paul-pushes-to-repeal-the-espionage-act-and-lefties-lose-their-freakin-minds/
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This just in: Had a chat yesterday with a friend who has been out of touch for several weeks due to workload and then taking his family on their annual camping trip/retreat. He didn't mention where he got this (and I didn't think to ask), but according to him the FBI not only knew that Trump had certain documents at Mar-a-Lago, they had been there, inspected the storage, and made recommendations on physical security for said documents. And this supposedly happened quite some time ago.
Has anyone seen even a hint of this on any source?
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This just in: Had a chat yesterday with a friend who has been out of touch for several weeks due to workload and then taking his family on their annual camping trip/retreat. He didn't mention where he got this (and I didn't think to ask), but according to him the FBI not only knew that Trump had certain documents at Mar-a-Lago, they had been there, inspected the storage, and made recommendations on physical security for said documents. And this supposedly happened quite some time ago.
Has anyone seen even a hint of this on any source?
Saw a headline stating just that but lost track of where
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We vote for people, claim and identify with the positive things they've done and refuse to take personal responsibility for the bad things they've done.
NO politician is perfect. Look at Reagan - a lot of people idolize him and on balance he did good, but he signed a bill making Social Security benefits taxable (Clinton later raised those taxes) and he sent Marines into Beirut with no clear mission and idiotic rules of engagement. Not to mention supporting the Brady Bill after he left office. He also spent too much money.
Trump's policies were mostly good . . . aside from his mean tweets, my biggest gripe with him is that he, too, spent too much money, even before covid popped up.
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Unless you are the type who can just not care and not vote. Voting gets you invested, there is an emotional aspect to the ritual.
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I always figure if, if, if, there is voter fraud by the other party, at the very least, my one little vote might cancel out one fraudulent vote.
Makes the onerous chore (!) of voting a little easier for me.*
Terry, 230RN
*Actually, I just drop off my ballot in the box by city hall on my way to the grocery store.
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NO politician is perfect. Look at Reagan - a lot of people idolize him and on balance he did good, but he signed a bill making Social Security benefits taxable (Clinton later raised those taxes) and he sent Marines into Beirut with no clear mission and idiotic rules of engagement. Not to mention supporting the Brady Bill after he left office. He also spent too much money.
Trump's policies were mostly good . . . aside from his mean tweets, my biggest gripe with him is that he, too, spent too much money, even before covid popped up.
Perfect is the mortal enemy of "pretty darn good".
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NO politician is perfect. Look at Reagan - a lot of people idolize him and on balance he did good, but he signed a bill making Social Security benefits taxable (Clinton later raised those taxes) and he sent Marines into Beirut with no clear mission and idiotic rules of engagement. Not to mention supporting the Brady Bill after he left office. He also spent too much money.
Trump's policies were mostly good . . . aside from his mean tweets, my biggest gripe with him is that he, too, spent too much money, even before covid popped up.
I would have preferred Trump vetoed the ridiculous budgets, but spending too much is primarily on congress. The only other thing Trump could have done was put people in power that were told to cut costs.
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The left want's another Jan 6 but on steroids. Keep them locked until after the midterms at least.
Nancy could have stopped Jan 6 from happening, but she wanted it to happen.
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The left want's another Jan 6 but on steroids. Keep them locked until after the midterms at least.
Nancy could have stopped Jan 6 from happening, but she wanted it to happen.
Nah, they see J6 and all things Trump are losing traction so plan B is war with China before midterms because everyone loves a wartime president. Another delegation of senators dropped in to visit.
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Why would China go to war with it's biggest customer? We are dying from the inside.
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Why would China go to war with it's biggest customer? We are dying from the inside.
The bold implies the underlined will not remain constant. At what point does America's decline make a war with us economically beneficial?
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Whoops, wrong thread
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Why would China go to war with it's biggest customer? We are dying from the inside.
I don't know if China wants war with the US directly (they are communists so who knows). I am more of the opinion they eventually want Taiwan back along the control of the area around them and they don't want us interfering with that.
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Why would China go to war with it's biggest customer? We are dying from the inside.
China also has its own, serious internal problems. A good shooting war could be a beneficial distraction for their people, as well.
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I don't know if China wants war with the US directly (they are communists so who knows). I am more of the opinion they eventually want Taiwan back along the control of the area around them and they don't want us interfering with that.
Their long term plans include Hawaii
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China also has its own, serious internal problems. A good shooting war could be a beneficial distraction for their people, as well.
They don’t have enough people to fight us in a war. Nor do they have the domestic energy supply. They import 85% of their energy supply, the vast majority of that from the Persian Gulf. The rest the mostly get from Russia via pipelines coming out of Siberia (and how long would it take for a Tomahawk to disrupt that?). If we used our Navy to stop oil shipments to China (just announcing we’d sink any tanker entering the South or East China Sea would be enough to stop virtually all such traffic) the lights go out in China in about a month or two, and within 6 months they’re in major famine mode.
China would lose 500k-1mil men just crossing the Taiwan Straight to invade Taiwan. Xi is fine with that. But they would lose exponentially more crossing the Pacific to reach our left coast. Assuming they have troop transports that can make that crossing to begin with. If they try to fly them over our Navy and Air Force will obliterate them in the air. The ones that somehow make it through would have to try to survive not only our domestic based military but all the rednecks with hunting rifles and gun nuts with AR-15s. If they seriously tried they wouldn’t have a functional population left by the time they even got close to succeeding in occupying HI, CA, OR and WA. And that’s if we don’t retaliate by cutting off their oil imports.
That all ignores that China will have half its peak population by 2050 even if they aren’t stupid enough to try to invade us. That’s simple demographics. Their 1 child policy was too effective.
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They don’t have enough people to fight us in a war. Nor do they have the domestic energy supply. They import 85% of their energy supply, the vast majority of that from the Persian Gulf. The rest the mostly get from Russia via pipelines coming out of Siberia (and how long would it take for a Tomahawk to disrupt that?). If we used our Navy to stop oil shipments to China (just announcing we’d sink any tanker entering the South or East China Sea would be enough to stop virtually all such traffic) the lights go out in China in about a month or two, and within 6 months they’re in major famine mode.
It's not just the US Navy they have to worry about. Virtually every country tankers from the ME have to make their way pass, and we talking about some very narrow choke points, is hostile to China.
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It's not just the US Navy they have to worry about. Virtually every country tankers from the ME have to make their way pass is hostile to China
Yup. Can’t mention everything in one post though.
I almost want to see China piss off some country like the Philippines or Australia or Vietnam enough to get wiped out by an oil blockade.
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Sources Allege Trump Stole Plans Revealing White House’s Thermal Exhaust Port
https://babylonbee.com/news/report-trump-allegedly-stole-plans-revealing-white-houses-thermal-exhaust-port
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Sources Allege Trump Stole Plans Revealing White House’s Thermal Exhaust Port
https://babylonbee.com/news/report-trump-allegedly-stole-plans-revealing-white-houses-thermal-exhaust-port
:laugh:
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They don’t have enough people to fight us in a war. Nor do they have the domestic energy supply. They import 85% of their energy supply, the vast majority of that from the Persian Gulf. The rest the mostly get from Russia via pipelines coming out of Siberia (and how long would it take for a Tomahawk to disrupt that?). If we used our Navy to stop oil shipments to China (just announcing we’d sink any tanker entering the South or East China Sea would be enough to stop virtually all such traffic) the lights go out in China in about a month or two, and within 6 months they’re in major famine mode.
China would lose 500k-1mil men just crossing the Taiwan Straight to invade Taiwan. Xi is fine with that. But they would lose exponentially more crossing the Pacific to reach our left coast. Assuming they have troop transports that can make that crossing to begin with. If they try to fly them over our Navy and Air Force will obliterate them in the air. The ones that somehow make it through would have to try to survive not only our domestic based military but all the rednecks with hunting rifles and gun nuts with AR-15s. If they seriously tried they wouldn’t have a functional population left by the time they even got close to succeeding in occupying HI, CA, OR and WA. And that’s if we don’t retaliate by cutting off their oil imports.
That all ignores that China will have half its peak population by 2050 even if they aren’t stupid enough to try to invade us. That’s simple demographics. Their 1 child policy was too effective.
China would have to be monumentally stupid to cross the Pacific to attack CONUS. They simply do not have the means to attack us at home in an effective or worthwhile manner. Of course, Commies can be monumentally stupid on occasion, but I doubt they would risk a direct attack on our home soil.
That said, I think they plan to go after Taiwan at some point. They may lob a missile or two at Guam and/or Hawaii in the hope we might be deterred from helping Taiwan. But I think that would just be a greater provocation, and any uncertainty on our part to defend Taiwan would evaporate.
Going after Taiwan would give them that good shooting war that I was referring to.
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I guess people really ARE this stupid.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/15/lawyer-hopes-that-joe-biden-changed-the-nuclear-codes-and-donald-trump-didnt-have-them-at-mar-a-lago/
I feel bad for anyone who hires this guy for legal services.
I've been getting aggravated reading all the ridiculous crap people (and not just randos, but the MSM, etc.) are spouting about classified material at Mar-A-Lago. Like using their movie terms of "ultra classified" and "ultraviolet purple super duper classified", but then I take a step back knowing that most people have never held a clearance and simply don't know anything about the classified world.
There's no excuse though, for being so stupid that you think former presidents walk around with current codes.
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I guess people really ARE this stupid.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/15/lawyer-hopes-that-joe-biden-changed-the-nuclear-codes-and-donald-trump-didnt-have-them-at-mar-a-lago/
I feel bad for anyone who hires this guy for legal services.
I've been getting aggravated reading all the ridiculous crap people (and not just randos, but the MSM, etc.) are spouting about classified material at Mar-A-Lago. Like using their movie terms of "ultra classified" and "ultraviolet purple super duper classified", but then I take a step back knowing that most people have never held a clearance and simply don't know anything about the classified world.
There's no excuse though, for being so stupid that you think former presidents walk around with current codes.
Please tell me Biden changed them. Please please please please please.
— Tristan Snell (@TristanSnell) August 12, 2022
Same as his luggage
1-2- huh 1-2-....2.... What were we talking about?
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https://babylonbee.com/news/opinion-concerns-about-fbi-raids-have-been-overblown-and-theres-no-need-to-wor---hang-on-theres-a-knock-at-the-door
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They don’t have enough people to fight us in a war. Nor do they have the domestic energy supply. They import 85% of their energy supply, the vast majority of that from the Persian Gulf. The rest the mostly get from Russia via pipelines coming out of Siberia (and how long would it take for a Tomahawk to disrupt that?).
That may be why the ChiComs are surging ahead of the U.S. in building nuclear power plants. Those plants will "free up" the petroleum products they need for "elsewhere". :facepalm:
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That may be why the ChiComs are surging ahead of the U.S. in building nuclear power plants. Those plants will "free up" the petroleum products they need for "elsewhere". :facepalm:
Ought to see how many hydroelectric pumped storage projects they have in the works. Commies suck but when you give not two craps about environmental damage and can disappear anyone who brings a nuisance lawsuit, well things get done.
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I guess people really ARE this stupid.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/15/lawyer-hopes-that-joe-biden-changed-the-nuclear-codes-and-donald-trump-didnt-have-them-at-mar-a-lago/
I feel bad for anyone who hires this guy for legal services.
I've been getting aggravated reading all the ridiculous crap people (and not just randos, but the MSM, etc.) are spouting about classified material at Mar-A-Lago. Like using their movie terms of "ultra classified" and "ultraviolet purple super duper classified", but then I take a step back knowing that most people have never held a clearance and simply don't know anything about the classified world.
There's no excuse though, for being so stupid that you think former presidents walk around with current codes.
The codes change daily, and are carried on the President's person on a credit card-sized cheat sheet called the "biscuit." The card contains a series of codes, including some false ones. The President has to memorize which positions on the card hold the real codes (which is problematic with Biden in the White House). The codes are useless without access to "the football," which is carried by an aide to the President.
There is no way Trump ever had a current code, from the day he left office.
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The codes change daily, and are carried on the President's person on a credit card-sized cheat sheet called the "biscuit." The card contains a series of codes, including some false ones. The President has to memorize which positions on the card hold the real codes (which is problematic with Biden in the White House). The codes are useless without access to "the football," which is carried by an aide to the President.
There is no way Trump ever had a current code, from the day he left office.
More than likely all the codes on the biscuit have been "111111111" since 1/6/20. . .
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Now the left is speculating that Trump somehow got plans for nuclear bombs and was selling them to other governments for cash!
https://drpippa.substack.com/p/clash-of-civilizations?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
From the fourth paragraph: "But, the question is coming: Did Trump sell the atom bomb to a sovereign (or sovereigns) in exchange for cash? This has yet to be seen. But it looks like it might be a real possibility."
Unbelievable. The left must be in a panic about the raid blowing up in their face.
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FBI: We didn't take Trump's passports because we later returned them.
Amazing me, but not shocking, how many on the left are totally blind to the contradiction in that
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Passports are only taken if someone is a flight risk. Extremely unlikely in Trump's case.
This is further evidence that the FBI was wantonly grabbing whatever they could get their hands on rather than following any warrant guidelines. A box of archived records would be a strange place to store a passport. It would be like me putting my passport in my "2010-2020 tax records" box instead of in my safe. If the passports were in Trump's safe, they would have been clearly visible so should not have been touched.
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Also, DOJ was claiming that this raid was time critical and needed to be done quickly, but now we learned that Garland (who didn't know about it) was deliberating on whether to do it for weeks beforehand.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/08/16/walls-are-closing-in-but-not-on-trump-sean-davis-lays-out-how-he-knows-the-doj-is-panicking-about-their-trump-raid-in-1-spot-on-tweet/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/merrick-garland-weighed-search-of-trumps-mar-a-lago-for-weeks-11660601292
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Passports are only taken if someone is a flight risk. Extremely unlikely in Trump's case.
Some are pushing the story Trump was seeking asylum in Russia. They could have taken the passports to help pad that narrative.
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Some are pushing the story Trump was seeking asylum in Russia. They could have taken the passports to help pad that narrative.
If he wanted to do something like that he’d just hop in one of his bizjets and fly there. Passports won’t matter.
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If he wanted to do something like that he’d just hop in one of his bizjets and fly there. Passports won’t matter.
The narrative need not be reality based for many to swallow it hook, line, and sinker
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The narrative need not be reality based for many to swallow hook, line, and sinker
A lot of this is coming from the leftist mouth pieces, but it goes to show how desperate they are to divert the discussion. Really makes the entire leadership look like they are arrogant, hateful, and impatient with little ability to see the obvious consequences. We have always tended to grant the Govt some benefit of the doubt that they are competent. Can we still say that? Maybe the rank and file, not the leadership.
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Also, DOJ was claiming that this raid was time critical and needed to be done quickly, but now we learned that Garland (who didn't know about it) was deliberating on whether to do it for weeks beforehand.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/08/16/walls-are-closing-in-but-not-on-trump-sean-davis-lays-out-how-he-knows-the-doj-is-panicking-about-their-trump-raid-in-1-spot-on-tweet/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/merrick-garland-weighed-search-of-trumps-mar-a-lago-for-weeks-11660601292
Maybe I should have replied to this one.
It seems the administration has been playing CYI since this started. As if they jumped on this with little preparation for the obvious consequences. If he was thinking about it for weeks, I would have thought they would have prepared better. Of course, maybe the only realistic preparation was to say no and find another way to do whatever they were looking to do.
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Federal judge sets hearing on motion to unseal Trump search warrant affidavit
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-search-warrant-affidavit-mar-a-lago-unseal-judge-florida-165507232.html
U.S. Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart set the 1 p.m. hearing for both sides to present arguments over whether to publicly release the search warrant affidavit, court records showed on Tuesday.
“In the interest of TRANSPARENCY, I call for the immediate release of the completely Unredacted Affidavit pertaining to this horrible and shocking BREAK-IN,” Trump wrote in a post on Truth Social, his social media platform. “Also, the Judge on this case should recuse!”
This article also pulls out the antisemitism card regarding the judge.
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Judge who authorized Mar-a-Lago search previously recused self from Trump-Clinton lawsuit
https://tennesseestar.com/2022/08/10/judge-who-authorized-mar-a-lago-search-previously-recused-self-from-trump-clinton-lawsuit/
U.S. Magistrate Judge Bruce W. Reinhart in West Palm Beach, Fla., who was appointed in 2018, filed the recusal document on June 22, a few weeks after presiding over the start of the civil litigation. Reinhart signed the search warrant authorizing the Mar-a-Lago search on Aug. 5, court records show.
I heard someone mention this a few days ago, but didn't get a chance to look for an article. Seems odd that he recused himself from the civil case, but then signed off on a search warrant involving the same person a short time later. Are there any legal differences in recusal between civil and criminal proceedings?
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Everything about this is almost like it was scripted to give Trump's attorneys the absolute best possible case. The stuff we already know about is more than enough to have any decently objective judge looking sideways at it. The sudden DOJ reluctance to provide full and unredacted documentation only adds fuel to the fire, especially with Trump insisting on full transparency. I have to believe Trump is loving every moment. He couldn't have planned a better scenario. He has the DOJ & FBI right where he wants them, and has them to thank for making it happen without him having to lift a finger.
Brad
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The cynic in me is thinking that someone deliberately leaked false info to the Dims and set this up. Trump comes out the oppressed victim and the Dim DOJ appears to be a weaponized force of the party.
The press and many of the Dim (especially Nadler) get a viagra grade hard on for any chance to derange further on Trump. Its a reflex now, like blood in the water to a shark.
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The cynic in me is thinking that someone deliberately leaked false info to the Dims and set this up. Trump comes out the oppressed victim and the Dim DOJ appears to be a weaponized force of the party.
The press and many of the Dim (especially Nadler) get a viagra grade hard on for any chance to derange further on Trump. Its a reflex now, like blood in the water to a shark.
Republicans aren’t nearly that smart, let alone devious.
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I know the dims are evil and arrogant but I didn't credit them with this much blatant stupidity. The egregious level of bullshit coming off this story has my WTF -O-meter pegged. Are they arrogant, evil and stupid enough to go ahead and try to push this crock of shiiit through or are they at the point where they no longer care that their corruption is on full display because they know they will get away with it anyway or a combination of the two?
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I know the dims are evil and arrogant but I didn't credit them with this much blatant stupidity. The egregious level of bullshit coming off this story has my WTF -O-meter pegged. Are they arrogant, evil and stupid enough to go ahead and try to push this crock of shiiit through or are they at the point where they no longer care that their corruption is on full display because they know they will get away with it anyway or a combination of the two?
I vote for a combo of the two. They are arrogant & evil, and they aren't afraid of getting caught since it'll blow over in a few days, weeks at most.
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Everything about this is almost like it was scripted to give Trump's attorneys the absolute best possible case. The stuff we already know about is more than enough to have any decently objective judge looking sideways at it. The sudden DOJ reluctance to provide full and unredacted documentation only adds fuel to the fire, especially with Trump insisting on full transparency. I have to believe Trump is loving every moment. He couldn't have planned a better scenario. He has the DOJ & FBI right where he wants them, and has them to thank for making it happen without him having to lift a finger.
Plus the FBI apparently made no attempt to limit the search to what was named in the search warrant. Aside from prowling Melania's wardrobe, they took THREE Trump passports -- his current one, and two expired ones. Supposedly those have since been returned, but what possible justification could they possibly have for taking them in the first place?
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I know the dims are evil and arrogant but I didn't credit them with this much blatant stupidity. The egregious level of bullshit coming off this story has my WTF -O-meter pegged. Are they arrogant, evil and stupid enough to go ahead and try to push this crock of shiiit through or are they at the point where they no longer care that their corruption is on full display because they know they will get away with it anyway or a combination of the two?
1. Merit has not be a major factor for advancement in politics for a while. IMO, especially true on the left, but I am biased. The only real merit is toward charisma, smooth talking (maybe), and often good looks. Few are held accountable for bad decisions until they get to a higher level where the actions are more publicly known and even then only sometimes.
2. Related to #1, the left (media included) never challenge their own publicly with tough questions. IMO, voters on the left continue to vote for leftist politicians even as things fall apart around them.
What effect does that have on people advancing through the ranks? How many politicians have we seen like VP Harris who seem unable to answer a tough question? I don't remember politicians of a few decades ago being that inept. I think about someone like James Carville. IMO, he is a snake, but I doubt he ever met a question he couldn't give an answer for whether he knew the answer or not. He knows how to entertain an audience without saying anything substantive. I don't see many politicians who can do that these days.
I am sure some of this happens on the Republican side as well, but not the same.
SUMMARY: I think people have the false assumption that politicians or high level bureaucrats are smarter or wiser than most. I am sure a few are all that, but I think most are far from it.
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Imagine how stupid the dims would look if they didn't have the MSM running constant cover for them.
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We have always tended to grant the Govt some benefit of the doubt that they are competent. Can we still say that? Maybe the rank and file, not the leadership.
But the rank and file comprise the so-called "deep state." I don't much care if those people are competent -- I just want them out.
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:rofl:
'The FBI Raid On Melania's Closet Was Justified,' Says Merrick Garland Wearing Gorgeous New Evening Gown And Sun Hat
https://babylonbee.com/news/the-fbi-raid-was-justified-says-merrick-garland-wearing-strapless-gown-and-sun-hat-from-melanias-closet
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A lot of this is coming from the leftist mouth pieces, but it goes to show how desperate they are to divert the discussion. Really makes the entire leadership look like they are arrogant, hateful, and impatient with little ability to see the obvious consequences. We have always tended to grant the Govt some benefit of the doubt that they are competent. Can we still say that? Maybe the rank and file, not the leadership.
Having worked for the federal government employees who are competence and empathatic with Normal America are beaten out by idiots when it comes to long term employment. Both the Peter Principle (*expletive deleted*ck up move up) and corruption are firmly in place (it starts low level). The idiots who couldn’t make it in the real world advance quickly in .gov service and as managers they run off anybody worth a damn.
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. . .
SUMMARY: I think people have the false assumption that politicians or high level bureaucrats are smarter or wiser than most. I am sure a few are all that, but I think most are far from it.
A while back a new first-term congressman was being interviewed, and he made a remark something along the lines of "I was amazed at how unimpressive some of my more prominent colleagues were once I had a chance to meet them in person."
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Now I'm hearing that Trumps passports which "weren't taken", but actually were and later returned, do not appear on the inventory of seized items. If the inventory so lacks detail that it doesn't reflect a document unique as a passport, then it doesn't meet the reasonable expectation criteria for seizure inventory accuracy. That alone is grounds to have the entire case independently reviewed, the seizure deemed illegal, and/or advancement expedited to SCOTUS for a ruling.
The whole thing reeks of being thrown together with little or no planning, and certainly no administrative review or judicial oversight. It seems every new piece of information illustrates yet another legal faux pas on the DOJ/FBI side. They are, in almost comically intentional fashion, handing their own heads to Trump on a silver platter.
Brad
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I think the FBI or at least a whole division of it is a CIA skinsuit to get around the prohibitions put in place (LOL) on domestic intelligence gathering.
It's all spy vs spy and I'm pretty confident I'll never figure out what is really going on. The best I can do is learn to keep my head down and focus on the more needful things of life. Sorting out the good guys (if any) from the bad guys (legion) is nearly impossible, by design.
Not following clowns into battle against -insert bad guys- is the best course of action.
Rule #4 - Be sure of your target
If you aren't 100% sure of your target ... don't engage.
The real battle is spiritual and in your mind, unless bullets are actually flying towards you...
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I think the FBI or at least a whole division of it is a CIA skinsuit to get around the prohibitions put in place (LOL) on domestic intelligence gathering.
It's all spy vs spy and I'm pretty confident I'll never figure out what is really going on. The best I can do is learn to keep my head down and focus on the more needful things of life. Sorting out the good guys (if any) from the bad guys (legion) is nearly impossible, by design.
Not following clowns into battle against -insert bad guys- is the best course of action.
Rule #4 - Be sure of your target
If you aren't 100% sure of your target ... don't engage.
The real battle is spiritual and in your mind, unless bullets are actually flying towards you...
I heard a comment yesterday that Peter Strzok referred to himself as a "section chief". That comment was there are no section chiefs in the FBI, but are in the CIA. Came across the link below that may or may not be good.
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/john-brennan-under-fire-after-peter-strzok-outed-as-cia-agent-from-iran/
I am sure the CIA using the FBI to spy in the US is allowed in the Patriot Act.
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VIP but headline gives you an idea
Former CIA director agrees that there’s nothing more ‘dangerous & contemptible’ than today’s Republicans
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/08/18/former-cia-director-agrees-that-theres-nothing-more-dangerous-contemptible-than-todays-republicans/
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Now I'm hearing that Trumps passports which "weren't taken", but actually were and later returned, do not appear on the inventory of seized items. If the inventory so lacks detail that it doesn't reflect a document unique as a passport, then it doesn't meet the reasonable expectation criteria for seizure inventory accuracy. That alone is grounds to have the entire case independently reviewed, the seizure deemed illegal, and/or advancement expedited to SCOTUS for a ruling.
The whole thing reeks of being thrown together with little or no planning, and certainly no administrative review or judicial oversight. It seems every new piece of information illustrates yet another legal faux pas on the DOJ/FBI side. They are, in almost comically intentional fashion, handing their own heads to Trump on a silver platter.
Brad
The only idea I can think of is they were certain they would find a smoking gun that would allow them to justify it all. Otherwise, I am not sure how they thought this would not get some backlash.
I also heard Trump was threatening to release the security footage of the raid. Commentary I heard said the threat was smart as the FBI couldn't be certain what was caught on camera.
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I also heard Trump was threatening to release the security footage of the raid. Commentary I heard said the threat was smart as the FBI couldn't be certain what was caught on camera.
I hope he does, in full, every camera and angle, including audio (if possible) and with a giant flourish and *expletive deleted*it-eating grin on his face. The FBI needs to squirm
Brad
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I hope he does, in full, every camera and angle, including audio (if possible) and with a giant flourish and *expletive deleted*it-eating grin on his face. The FBI needs to squirm
Brad
I assume the FBI is already seeking an injunction to prevent that. They'll claim tany video shows classified stuff or it's Law Enforcement Sensitive or some such.
Why squirm when you have pet judges?
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I assume the FBI is already seeking an injunction to prevent that. They'll claim tany video shows classified stuff or it's Law Enforcement Sensitive or some such.
Why squirm when you have pet judges?
Why begs the question why they were opening classified documents in a non-secure setting?
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Easy: Trump stored them in such a way that opening the box to make sure they were taking the correct stuff exposed them to cameras. So Trump also illegally duplicated them.
Also FL is a two party consent state, so we can add an illegal wiretapping charge.
You just gotta connect with your inner Zampolit.
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Easy: Trump stored them in such a way that opening the box to make sure they were taking the correct stuff exposed them to cameras. So Trump also illegally duplicated them.
Also FL is a two party consent state, so we can add an illegal wiretapping charge.
You just gotta connect with your inner Zampolit.
Trump said he had a standing order declassifying anything taken from the White House to Mara-Lago.
If the Judge is partial and the prosecutor is evil (redundant), you can make up anything. Doesn't even have to make sense.
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Also FL is a two party consent state, so we can add an illegal wiretapping charge.
I wonder how that would work legally in this case. I know it varies by state, but I think usually with two party consent, the onus is on party two after being informed. If I tell you that I'm recording you in my own damn home, you can either say "okay" or you can leave. Normal citizens wouldn't be able to say, "No, don't record me inside your home and I'm also not leaving." Which is what the FBI said here, apparently.
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How hard would it be to accidently "leak" the footage (bitage?) from the security cameras?
Seems leaks are all the rage these days.
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Speaking of leaks. It is going around that the FBI leaked some information to the Wall Street Journal and they wrote a story that the FBI then used to help get the warrant.
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Speaking of leaks. It is going around that the FBI leaked some information to the Wall Street Journal and they wrote a story that the FBI then used to help get the warrant.
I wish I could scoff in disbelief, but I can't.
Brad
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Does Florida’s two party consent cover video as well as audio?
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I wonder how that would work legally in this case. I know it varies by state, but I think usually with two party consent, the onus is on party two after being informed. If I tell you that I'm recording you in my own damn home, you can either say "okay" or you can leave. Normal citizens wouldn't be able to say, "No, don't record me inside your home and I'm also not leaving." Which is what the FBI said here, apparently.
IANAL but yep, if you don't leave after being told that you are being recorded, consent is implied.
Cordex's question about whether consent is required for silent video is a good one.
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On cordex question, no it doesn't cover video, it's our wiretapping law, so it specifies audio recordings. I suspect that the agent's comments would be the interesting part of this recording though. Unless they went full J. Edgar with Melania's wardrobe.
As far as I know, there isn't any precedent on non consensual recording of cops where an expectation of privacy exist. You explicitly can record them in public, but inside a home while they serve a warrant? Not sure if that case law exists.
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More garbage for the dumpster fire
Brett L. Tolman
@tolmanbrett
FBI Unit Leading Mar-a-Lago Probe Earlier Ran Discredited Trump-Russia Investigation | RealClearInvestigations
‘bUt It’S nOt PoLiTiCaL’: FBI Unit leading Mar-a-Lago probe also ran another discredited Trump investigation … GUESS which one
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/08/19/but-its-not-political-fbi-unit-leading-mar-a-lago-probe-also-ran-another-discredited-trump-investigation-guess-which-one/
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Easy: Trump stored them in such a way that opening the box to make sure they were taking the correct stuff exposed them to cameras. So Trump also illegally duplicated them.
Also FL is a two party consent state, so we can add an illegal wiretapping charge.
You just gotta connect with your inner Zampolit.
Trump also may have also failed to prevent FBI agents without proper TS/SCI clearances to examine and handle the documents - charge him with that, too.
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Trump also may have also failed to prevent FBI agents without proper TS/SCI clearances to examine and handle the documents - charge him with that, too.
Now you're catching on!
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So, he finally pulled out the 4th. I would have done it as soon as I saw the warrant.
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Speaking of leaks. It is going around that the FBI leaked some information to the Wall Street Journal and they wrote a story that the FBI then used to help get the warrant.
That is pretty much the same way the Steel Dossier was used to justify wire taps of Trump's campaign.
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Don't forget, the White House learned of the raid via Twitter.
From Just the News:
Long before it professed no prior knowledge of the raid on Donald Trump’s estate, the Biden White House worked directly with the Justice Department and National Archives to instigate the criminal probe into alleged mishandling of documents, allowing the FBI to review evidence retrieved from Mar-a-Lago this spring and eliminating the 45th president’s claims to executive privilege, according to contemporaneous government documents reviewed by Just the News.
The memos show then-White House Deputy Counsel Jonathan Su was engaged in conversations with the FBI, DOJ and National Archives as early as April, shortly after 15 boxes of classified and other materials were voluntarily returned to the federal historical agency from Trump’s Florida home.
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So, he finally pulled out the 4th. I would have done it as soon as I saw the warrant.
Reports I've seen said that the FBI refused to show Trump's lawyer the search warrant. That should be grounds to disqualify the entire operation right there.
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Ok- so what is the latest news about what Trump is being accused of? Keeping classified documents in his house?
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Ok- so what is the latest news about what Trump is being accused of? Keeping classified documents in his house?
Violations of the Espionage Act. Records Act, and Obstruction of Justice.
Specifically 18 USC 793 (Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information), 18 USC 2071(Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally), and 18 USC 1519(Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in Federal investigations and bankruptcy)
ATTACHMENT B
Property to be seized
All physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or
other items illegally possessed in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 793, 2071 , or 1519, including the
following:
a. Any physical documents with classification markings, along with any
containers/boxes (including any other contents) in which such documents are located, as
well as any other containers/boxes that are collectively stored or found together with the
aforementioned documents and containers/boxes;
b. Information, including communications in any form, regarding the
retrieval, storage, or transmission of national defense information or classified material;
c. Any government and/or Presidential Records created between January
20, 2017, and January 20, 2021; or
d. Any evidence of the knowing alteration, destruction, or concealment of
any government and/or Presidential Records, or of any documents with classification
markings.
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https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/08/23/you-dont-frighten-us-fbi-pig-dogs-monty-python-footage-of-fbi-raid-on-castle-mar-a-lago-funniest-damn-thing-youll-see-today-watch/
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fblogs.northcountrypublicradio.org%2Fallin%2Ffiles%2F2016%2F06%2Ftauntingknight.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
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So, did Trump have classified documents?
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you'll just have to trust the FBI and Biden administration on this one
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So, did Trump have classified documents?
What difference, at this point, does it make?
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So, did Trump have classified documents?
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fbi-mar-lago-warrant-had-no-legal-basis-constitutional-lawyers
“The judge who issued the warrant for Mar-a-Lago has signaled that he is likely to release a redacted version of the affidavit supporting it. But the warrant itself suggests the answer is likely no—the FBI had no legally valid cause for the raid,” they wrote in the Wall Street Journal on Tuesday.
As a result, the two scholars said that “virtually all the materials at Mar-a-Lago are likely to fall within this category” but “federal law gives Mr. Trump a right of access to them.”
“His possession of them is entirely consistent with that right, and therefore lawful, regardless of the statutes the FBI cites in its warrant,” Rivkin and Casey wrote.
“Those statutes are general in their text and application. But Mr. Trump’s documents are covered by a specific statute, the Presidential Records Act of 1978,” they said, adding that a Supreme Court decision in 1974 affirms their argument. “The former president’s rights under the [Presidential Records Act] trump any application of the laws the FBI warrant cites.”
The 1978 law, which was passed two years after former President Richard Nixon resigned, “lays out detailed requirements for how the archivist is to administer the records, handle privilege claims, make the records public, and impose restrictions on access,” they added. “Notably, it doesn’t address the process by which a former president’s records are physically to be turned over to the archivist, or set any deadline, leaving this matter to be negotiated between the archivist and the former president.”
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I didn't have any advance notice. None. Zero. Not one single bit.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1562517794801221640
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https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/biden-white-house-facilitated-dojs-criminal-probe-against-trump
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Where's the beef?
Still no big reveal of what they found which to me says that this is another in a long line of big nothing burgers.
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So, did Trump have classified documents?
Yes, at least as of January 2022 it seems he apparently did. Harder to say if he still had more after that.
As you are no doubt aware, NARA had ongoing communications with the former President’s representatives throughout 2021 about what appeared to be missing Presidential records, which resulted in the transfer of 15 boxes of records to NARA in January 2022. In its initial review of materials within those boxes, NARA identified items marked as classified national security information, up to the level of Top Secret and including Sensitive Compartmented Information and Special Access Program materials.
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According to NARA, among the materials in the boxes are over 100 documents with classification markings, comprising more than 700 pages. Some include the highest levels of classification, including Special Access Program (SAP) materials. Access to the materials is not only necessary for purposes of our ongoing criminal investigation, but the Executive Branch must also conduct an assessment of the potential damage resulting from the apparent manner in which these materials were stored and transported and take any necessary remedial steps.
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Does potus have or not have plenary power to declassify documents?
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The Mystery of
Al Capone's Donald Trump's Vaults
Road maps! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWhKoMemTbk
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Does potus have or not have plenary power to declassify documents?
He does have that power, yes. However, there's no indication he DID in fact declassify them, and Mr. Trump is no longer the CinC. By all accounts the documents in question were still properly marked as classified, and there's no indication that the info in them is now available to anyone filing a FOIA request. As with anything in the fed.gov, there's a process to declassification, and while the CinC can short circuit that process, if he does he'd better make darn sure he documented his declassification properly, and that the info is actually no longer national security information.
IMO the government is very likely to claim that they were never actually declassified, or that the info is still sensitive and Trump was told after he left office that the papers had been reclassified and had to be returned. Or some combination of both. Certainly Trump knew he had to give some stuff back because he gave the Archives 15 boxes back in the spring.
Still, normally when a former high ranking official has classified info (and it happens a lot) the whole situation is handled quite a bit differently, on both sides.
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IMO the government is very likely to claim that they were never actually declassified, or that the info is still sensitive and Trump was told after he left office that the papers had been reclassified and had to be returned. Or some combination of both.
This is similar to what I'm going with. Just knowing the twitter side of Trump, he probably just did a hand wave and said, "you are no longer classified" and ignored protocol. Maybe not for all stuff, but for some stuff just because he figured he didn't want to or have to screw with the paperwork.
He absolutely can declassify whatever, but there would be protocols. I can understand being frustrated with ridiculous gov paperwork, but I guess it will come down to how much a president can ignore paperwork and procedure. Apparently Obama also did some "hand wave" declassification under the same circumstances, but he of course gets a free pass.
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Does potus have or not have plenary power to declassify documents?
Yes, any president of the United States has broad authority to declassify documents. That being said, there's a formal structure to doing that. You can't just sort of stand over a box of documents, wave your hand and say these are all declassified. That's not how the system works.
If the documents were still marked as classified and there's no documentation of them being declassified, are we supposed to take Trump's word that he declassified them when he still had that power and just didn't bother telling anyone? At the very least that seems like something that would have been worth mentioning when he returned those documents and his lawyer signed paperwork certifying that they had returned all classified materials.
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Apparently Obama also did some "hand wave" declassification under the same circumstances, but he of course gets a free pass.
I would like to read more about this, if you have any links.
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I would like to read more about this, if you have any links.
I don't have any links but he did it several times while talking to world leaders or having an aid without clearance in the room. He also gave the National Archive a bunch of money to rent the 30,000 plus things he took home.
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Does potus have or not have plenary power to declassify documents?
I believe the President has complete and final power to classify and to declassify documents.
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This is similar to what I'm going with. Just knowing the twitter side of Trump, he probably just did a hand wave and said, "you are no longer classified" and ignored protocol. Maybe not for all stuff, but for some stuff just because he figured he didn't want to or have to screw with the paperwork.
He absolutely can declassify whatever, but there would be protocols. I can understand being frustrated with ridiculous gov paperwork, but I guess it will come down to how much a president can ignore paperwork and procedure. Apparently Obama also did some "hand wave" declassification under the same circumstances, but he of course gets a free pass.
Specifically, what are the protocols for the Final Classification Authority to declassify material?
Because, the protocol, as it was taught to me in cryptology school, can actually be as simple as the FCA choosing to talk about it openly or handing the materials to a previously unauthorized person. Their powers of declassification pretty much had no bounds. Classifying on the other-hand had all sorts of entanglements to prevent abuse, but DEclassifying was carte blanc.
But what would I know. kermitTea.jpg
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By process, I was thinking things like, remove cover sheets, telling people it was declassified, making sure other folks with the same info get the memo that it's declassified.
Sure, the CinC could just throw a bunch of *expletive deleted*it in a box and say "poof, that box is declassified", but if the stuff inside still has a SF 703 stapled to the front of it, no one will believe him later.
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By process, I was thinking things like, remove cover sheets, telling people it was declassified, making sure other folks with the same info get the memo that it's declassified.
Sure, the CinC could just throw a bunch of *expletive deleted*it in a box and say "poof, that box is declassified", but if the stuff inside still has a SF 703 stapled to the front of it, no one will believe him later.
And? Let me show you how this works.
TS//SI/TK/BYE/4EYE//25X1 UNCLASSIFIED
Done. Documents change caveats all the time.
But I'm sure the collectivists have Trump this time!
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I'm very familiar with how it works.
See what you did there? You changed the markings, and had it been real, you would have recorded the date and DCA on the post. I suspect Trump didn't do that.
I don't care if the get Trump or not, as I said earlier even if he has classified information this is not how this kind of thing is historically handled at senior executive levels.
I just pointed out that given Trump's personality it's plausible that he didn't actually declassify info when he was the DCA, or that info was subsequently reclassified and he ignored it.
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I'm very familiar with how it works.
See what you did there? You changed the markings, and had it been real, you would have recorded the date and DCA on the post. I suspect Trump didn't do that.
I don't care if the get Trump or not, as I said earlier even if he has classified information this is not how this kind of thing is historically handled at senior executive levels.
I just pointed out that given Trump's personality it's plausible that he didn't actually declassify info when he was the DCA, or that info was subsequently reclassified and he ignored it.
As mentioned potus can declas stuff by action or word. I was demonstrating how little the written caveat headers can mean.
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This is similar to what I'm going with. Just knowing the twitter side of Trump, he probably just did a hand wave and said, "you are no longer classified" and ignored protocol. Maybe not for all stuff, but for some stuff just because he figured he didn't want to or have to screw with the paperwork.
He absolutely can declassify whatever, but there would be protocols. I can understand being frustrated with ridiculous gov paperwork, but I guess it will come down to how much a president can ignore paperwork and procedure. Apparently Obama also did some "hand wave" declassification under the same circumstances, but he of course gets a free pass.
Classifying or declassifying a document is clearly an executive power. Article 2 Section 1 of the Constitution begins with "The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America." Constitution doesn't say anything about POTUS having to follow some bureaucrat's protocols or fill out forms created from some bureaucrat to classify or declassify, the power lies with him and him alone. If some drone doesn't like that, too bad - it's up to HIM (or HER) to accommodate POTUS, not the other way around.
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The DOJ has release docs. Well, part of them. Okay, only a third. Apparently roughly two thirds of the document varies from heavily to totally redacted.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-raid-search-warrant-affidavit-unsealed-read-document
A third of something that politically charged is essentially useless. It already read whatever they wanted it to, and the redactions will just be used to twist it more. They might as well have not released them at all.
Brad
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A third of something that heavily politicized is essentially useless. Even the redactions can be used to make it read what they want it to. They might as well have not released them at all.
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That's exactly what I was afraid of. This will only make each side dig in deeper, and will likely have fence sitters choosing sides based on incomplete and manipulated information.
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Yup.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/08/26/govt-memo-explaining-redactions-in-mar-a-lago-search-affidavit-is-basically-fbi-giving-a-middle-finger-to-americans-and-the-justice-system-pics/
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I still find it instructive that the .gov has its collective knickers in a twist over some boxes of paper in a closet at Trump's private residence, where nobody had access to them ... but that same .gov hasn't done anything about the fact that Hilary Clinton (who did NOT have final classification/declassification authority) had classified documents on her unsecured, personal server in her home, where hackers from all over the world had access to them.
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It it these documents the FBI is so upset about?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia/trump-says-he-has-declassified-documents-related-to-russia-clinton-email-probes-idUSKBN26S030
I think the FBI has been ignoring or fighting Trump's order to declassify all the documents related to the Russia nonsense and the probe into Clinton's email stuff. I don't recall them ever being released. Perhaps they are worried he has copies of these documents and would release them?
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It it these documents the FBI is so upset about?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia/trump-says-he-has-declassified-documents-related-to-russia-clinton-email-probes-idUSKBN26S030
I think the FBI has been ignoring or fighting Trump's order to declassify all the documents related to the Russia nonsense and the probe into Clinton's email stuff. I don't recall them ever being released. Perhaps they are worried he has copies of these documents and would release them?
Donald Trump did not kill himself
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I still find it instructive that the .gov has its collective knickers in a twist over some boxes of paper in a closet at Trump's private residence, where nobody had access to them ... but that same .gov hasn't done anything about the fact that Hilary Clinton (who did NOT have final classification/declassification authority) had classified documents on her unsecured, personal server in her home, where hackers from all over the world had access to them.
Thank you for bringing that up. I thought about that but completely forgot to post it.
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I still find it instructive that the .gov has its collective knickers in a twist over some boxes of paper in a closet at Trump's private residence, where nobody had access to them ... but that same .gov hasn't done anything about the fact that Hilary Clinton (who did NOT have final classification/declassification authority) had classified documents on her unsecured, personal server in her home, where hackers from all over the world had access to them.
Mar-A-Lago had a TS/SCI facility built when Trump became POTUS, and of course, Mar-A-Lago (at least the POTUS' residence portion) still has round-th-clock Secret Service protection, too. I'm pretty sure if I tried to clandestinely or forcibly access the documents I'd be sitting in a jail cell right now . . . assuming I even survived the attempt.
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Mar-A-Lago had a TS/SCI facility built when Trump became POTUS, and of course, Mar-A-Lago (at least the POTUS' residence portion) still has round-th-clock Secret Service protection, too. I'm pretty sure if I tried to clandestinely or forcibly access the documents I'd be sitting in a jail cell right now . . . assuming I even survived the attempt.
Why bother with the cost? I hear closets and bathrooms are basically SCIFs as they are. [popcorn]
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Why bother with the cost? I hear closets and bathrooms are basically SCIFs as they are. [popcorn]
They're good enough for servers, for sure.
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Those wiley FBI agents will catch that Trump yet!
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Those wiley FBI agents will catch that Trump yet!
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It it these documents the FBI is so upset about?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia/trump-says-he-has-declassified-documents-related-to-russia-clinton-email-probes-idUSKBN26S030
I think the FBI has been ignoring or fighting Trump's order to declassify all the documents related to the Russia nonsense and the probe into Clinton's email stuff. I don't recall them ever being released. Perhaps they are worried he has copies of these documents and would release them?
Sorry you fell for it, but Trump just says whatever he wants on Twitter (or "Truth") and doesn't actually mean it.
The president indicated to me that his statements on Twitter were not self-executing declassification orders, and do not required the declassification or release of any particular documents
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Sorry you fell for it, but Trump just says whatever he wants on Twitter (or "Truth") and doesn't actually mean it.
Fell for what? I posted a link so people would know what I was referring to. The link isn't fake, it's from Reuters. The link you posted shows that Trump intended to declassify all the documents. You can quibble about redactions. I never said a word about redactions. Were the documents actually released? I don't believe they were, but could be wrong hence the question in my post. Maybe try having a discussion instead of assuming you know what someone else is thinking and trying to insult them.
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Fell for what?
Trump saying one thing on social media and then the opposite behind the scenes.
Were the documents actually released? I don't believe they were, but could be wrong hence the question in my post.
The documents weren't released because the Trump admin argued in court (where it counts) that that his "orders" on Twitter were basically meaningless.
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Trump saying one thing on social media and then the opposite behind the scenes. The documents weren't released because the Trump admin argued in court (where it counts) that that his "orders" on Twitter were basically meaningless.
The document says he gave the attorney general the power to release them. He intended them to be released. Yah know what, it isn’t worth it. I think there is an ignore feature. First time time I ever felt the need to use it. It’s obvious you are more interested in being confrontational and condescending than having a conversation.
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Trump saying one thing on social media and then the opposite behind the scenes. The documents weren't released because the Trump admin argued in court (where it counts) that that his "orders" on Twitter were basically meaningless.
Most all the comments I see are just speculation as none of us were there. At this point, I don't think the FBI is any more worthy of trust than Trump's twitter account.
IMO, if there was hard evidence in the documents seized, they likely would have already been leaked. Now it is just lawyers arguing in court over classification/declassification details.
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IMO, if there was hard evidence in the documents seized, they likely would have already been leaked.
This is where I am with pretty much anything the FBI (or ATF or DOJ, etc.) do and say as of now, for anything, not just Trump. If they had irrefutable evidence, they would have presented it instead of playing redaction games or, "We can't release "X" concrete evidence due to security, judicial process, or any other lame excuse we can come up with, but here's oodles of circumstantial stuff that just causes more questions."
I'm getting tired of, "We can't release the primary evidence, but here's some unrelated stuff to rile everybody up."
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Where's the beef?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6hxYoiGeRI
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The document says he gave the attorney general the power to release them. He intended them to be released. Yah know what, it isn’t worth it. I think there is an ignore feature. First time time I ever felt the need to use it. It’s obvious you are more interested in being confrontational and condescending than having a conversation.
He says he writes for the Bulwork since 2019. He is one of William Kristols neocon bois. When you see nations burning all around you it's their policies reaching their natural conclusions. Looking at how they wrecked the Republican party I would say that was probably the mission all along.
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He says he writes for the Bulwork since 2019. He is one of William Kristols neocon bois. When you see nations burning all around you it's their policies reaching their natural conclusions. Looking at how they wrecked the Republican party I would say that was probably the mission all along.
You're being too confrontational and condescending!! Where's that ignore feature?:police:
You also overestimate my influence by just a little bit I think. It's really my partners, the lizard people, that deserve most of the credit.
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He says he writes for the Bulwork since 2019.
In fairness, I think that might be in his profile because in a 2019 thread where we disagreed on some topic, I was being a smartass and asked him if he wrote for the Bulwark.
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In fairness, I think that might be in his profile because in a 2019 thread where we disagreed on some topic, I was being a smartass and asked him if he wrote for the Bulwark.
Ben is correct. =)
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You're being too confrontational and condescending!! Where's that ignore feature?:police:
You also overestimate my influence by just a little bit I think. It's really my partners, the lizard people, that deserve most of the credit.
Hello I'm Ron, I spend my time screaming into the void, banging my head against the wall and arguing politics online.
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Hello I'm Ron, I spend my time screaming into the void, banging my head against the wall and arguing politics online.
It's funny how we all have a similar profile on APS. ;)
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they took THREE Trump passports -- his current one, and two expired ones. Supposedly those have since been returned, but what possible justification could they possibly have for taking them in the first place?
They mentioned the passports in the latest filing:
Plaintiff repeatedly claims that his passports were outside the scope of the warrant and improperly seized, and that the government, in returning them, has admitted as much. See D.E. 1 at 2 & n.2; D.E. 28 at 3, 8, 9. These claims are incorrect. Consistent with Attachment B to the search warrant, the government seized the contents of a desk drawer that contained classified documents and governmental records commingled with other documents. The other documents included two official passports, one of which was expired, and one personal passport, which was expired. The location of the passports is relevant evidence in an investigation of unauthorized retention and mishandling of national defense information; nonetheless, the government decided to return those passports in its discretion.
It also makes note that no indication was made about the supposed declassification:
These communications ultimately resulted in the provision of fifteen boxes (hereinafter, the “Fifteen Boxes”) from former President Trump to NARA in January 2022 When producing the Fifteen Boxes, the former President never asserted executive privilege over any of the documents nor claimed that any of the documents in the boxes containing classification markings had been declassified.
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On June 3, 2022, three FBI agents and a DOJ attorney arrived at the Premises to accept receipt of the materials. In addition to counsel for the former President, another individual was also present as the custodian of records for the former President’s post-presidential office. When producing the documents, neither counsel nor the custodian asserted that the former President had declassified the documents or asserted any claim of executive privilege. Instead, counsel handled them in a manner that suggested counsel believed that the documents were classified: the production included a single Redweld envelope, double-wrapped in tape, containing the documents.
I have the same question as before - If Trump really did declassify all these documents why didn't he ever say so in the months of back forth between NARA/DOJ/himself & his lawyers? If he declassified them in the interest of transparency, why didn't he ever release any of them?
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Why do you assume the Justice Dept isn't omitting facts that don't help their case?
Why did they lie and say the White House found out about the raid on twitter? (that was the press people, not the lawyers. The changing narrative on this is odd.)
I heard there was some law that had a provision about barring someone from running for office if they violate classified document laws. I don't remember the exact wording mentioned, but that was speculated as a reason for pursuing the issue.
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I heard there was some law that had a provision about barring someone from running for office if they violate classified document laws. I don't remember the exact wording mentioned, but that was speculated as a reason for pursuing the issue.
There has been talk by pundits about that, I don't recall exactly who, but I've heard it a few times. Mark Levin may have mentioned it. I usually don't listen to him, but sometimes catch a few minutes since he is one the same AM station I sometime listen to in the car. I think maybe Alan Dershowitz may have been on a TV segment I caught saying the same. Many of those pundits say the law wouldn't likely pass constitutional muster since election requirements to be eligible for the office of president are rather explicit in the constitution. They say this law can't override that.
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Why do you assume the Justice Dept isn't omitting facts that don't help their case?
It's pretty clear that all the facts aren't available yet. However, to their credit, the DOJ did include the letter from Trump's lawyer preemptively making the case against a warrant (https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-mar-a-lago-classified-information-government-and-politics-92ebd0ea765e6b09576d2a958ece21b8) as an attachment to the warrant affidavit.
Why did they lie and say the White House found out about the raid on twitter? (that was the press people, not the lawyers. The changing narrative on this is odd.)
Because they are liars and that's what liars tend to do. Unfortunately, in modern politics there doesn't seem to be a significant penalty for lying to the media. Hypocrisy either for that matter. The Trump admin seemed to find it funny to lie to the fake news, and then call them on their lies. I think the Biden admin often just lies to get them off their back for a bit, telling them what they think the "best" answer is so can they be done talking. While the Trump admin had outright disdain for the press, the Biden admin seems to see them as an annoyance.
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I heard there was some law that had a provision about barring someone from running for office if they violate classified document laws. I don't remember the exact wording mentioned, but that was speculated as a reason for pursuing the issue.
Yes, I think this is the reason for this witch hunt -- to disqualify Trump from running again.
My biggest problem with all this is that the entire country knows Hilary had classified documents on her unsecured personal server -- at her home, where there was infinitely more chance of foreign eyes getting access to them than a bunch of boxes in Trump's private quarters at Mar-a-Lago -- but nobody seems to care about that. Apparently what's sauce for the goose isn't sauce for the gander.
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Apparently what's sauce for the goose isn't sauce for the gander.
No *expletive deleted*it. Welcome to 1992. Remember Clinton raped a girl and no one [D] cared. After all he played a mean Sax.
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Attorney General Merrick Garland Threatens DOJ Employees About Contacting Congress – In the Current Environment He Appears to be Breaking the Law
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/breaking-attorney-general-merrick-garland-orders-no-one-doj-contact-congress-breaks-law/
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No *expletive deleted*it. Welcome to 1992. Remember Clinton raped a girl and no one [D] cared. After all he played a mean Sax.
Also remember Ted Kennedy murdered a woman in 1969. It probably kept him out of the White House, but despite his clumsy drunken attempt to cover it up, he remained in the Senate and was never locked up. Of course, he was a D - any R would have probably died in prison.
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DOJ will not announce any charges against Trump until after the November elections.
https://twitchy.com/amy-313134/2022/08/31/feds-likely-to-wait-until-after-november-election-to-announce-any-charges-against-trump/
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DOJ will not announce any charges against Trump until after the November elections.
https://twitchy.com/amy-313134/2022/08/31/feds-likely-to-wait-until-after-november-election-to-announce-any-charges-against-trump/
The DoJ pretty much has to charge Trump with something. They've promoted this farce so far that to not charge Trump makes them look like bigger idiots than they already are.
The timing of the charges when they finally come down will be interesting. There must be a lot of debate within the DNC DoJ when to indict Trump. Before or after the mid-terms? Which would be more helpful to the Democrat's election prospects?
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There must be a lot of debate within the DNC DoJ when to indict Trump. Before or after the mid-terms? Which would be more helpful to the Democrat's election prospects?
It depends on what they can accuse him of. If they've got something serious they can push then before would be better.
If they can only come up with something minor then coming out and saying "we are deferring charges until after November" lets people's imaginations and media/politicians who oppose trump to fill in the gaps.
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The DoJ pretty much has to charge Trump with something. They've promoted this farce so far that to not charge Trump makes them look like bigger idiots than they already are.
The timing of the charges when they finally come down will be interesting. There must be a lot of debate within the DNC DoJ when to indict Trump. Before or after the mid-terms? Which would be more helpful to the Democrat's election prospects?
They could always hold a press conference, lay out the ways Trump broke the law, and then conclude no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.
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They could always hold a press conference, lay out the ways Trump broke the law, and then conclude no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.
Now where did we see that before….lol
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They could always hold a press conference, lay out the ways Trump broke the law, and then conclude no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.
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If they can only come up with something minor
There's always process crimes.
Classified information cases are very difficult to do, even without the added complication of a suspect who happens to have been the only official in government with the power to declassify any intelligence. It is hard to prove the case without risking disclosure of the intelligence. And a prosecution centering on unlawful retention of government records has its own complications. Post-Watergate, when Congress enacted the Presidential Records Act, lawmakers did not include criminal enforcement provisions. The Justice Department now believes that gap has been filled by a different statute (sec. 2071), which criminalizes the removal or concealment of government records. Maybe so, but the question would have to be litigated.
By contrast, obstruction is uncomplicated and easy to prove. There would be no need to get into the content of government documents, classified or not. The case would focus on Trump’s allegedly lying about having government records and concealing them. What’s in the documents is beside the point.[/url].
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There's always process crimes.
In which case you would be best served to hold off until after November to charge so that people can keep running around claiming Trump was selling nuclear codes and selling lists of our spies to Russia.
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The charge will be that he stole office supplies, the manila folders the declassified files were in!
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The charge will be that he stole office supplies, the manila folders the declassified files were in!
And drank a cup of break room coffee without putting money in the money cup.
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So they have nothing but can taint every candidate he appears with. Good plan really because you sure as hell cannot put your guy on the campaign trail more to counteract Trump.
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If Trump is half as smart as he thinks he is, he would have had some kind of auditable process for declassifying documents. He knew The Swamp was out to get him. It doesn't have to be an onerous process, but it should be *something*.
Just saying "I declassified that" should be enough to provide reasonable doubt in a criminal case, because perhaps he really did. If he had a subordinate enter into a ledger the document titles and the date and time they were declassified, that would give him a political defense as well. Or just a rubber stamp that said "DECLASSIFIED" for the first page and a place for his initials.
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In which case you would be best served to hold off until after November to charge so that people can keep running around claiming Trump was selling nuclear codes and selling lists of our spies to Russia.
I saw an opinion article that they would do just that. Supposedly some rule about not investigate or charge candidates within 60 days of an election so they would wait.
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I saw an opinion article that they would do just that. Supposedly some rule about not investigate or charge candidates within 60 days of an election so they would wait.
That is a convenient excuse to do what benefits them the most. As far as I know he is not a declared candidate for anything.
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The full inventory from the raid has now been released
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.39.1_1.pdf
I'm not sure how Trump's team could claim they complied with the subpoena given that list.
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The full inventory from the raid has now been released
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.39.1_1.pdf
I'm not sure how Trump's team could claim they complied with the subpoena given that list.
How can you tell? It really says nothing more than what was already said. Stuff with classified markings.
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The full inventory from the raid has now been released
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.39.1_1.pdf
I'm not sure how Trump's team could claim they complied with the subpoena given that list.
(https://i.imgur.com/gAKBemx.jpg)
They've got him now!
The walls are closing in!
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How can you tell? It really says nothing more than what was already said. Stuff with classified markings.
This is what the grand jury subpoena in early June required they turn over:
Any and all documents or writings in the custody or control of Donald J. Trump and/or the Office of Donald J. Trump bearing classification markings, including but not limited to the following: Top Secret, Secret, Confidential,..(many more markings).., S/SI, C, and C/NF.
They've got him now!
I assume he'll throw his lawyer(s) under the bus since one of them actually signed off on complying with the subpoena.
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They've got him now!
The walls are closing in!
How many times does this make it now?
They've had him more times than the Japanese reported they sank the Enterprise
And DittoHead has said that's it every time.
Then it turns into a nothing burger.
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Empty folders!
Trump investigation: Empty folders marked classified found at Mar-a-Lago
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62771613
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And DittoHead has said that's it every time.
You sure? I don't tend to make predictions like that.
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Oh, they'll charge him with SOMETHING, even if the charge is bogus and will end up being tossed, at which point the narrative will become "A judge let him off on a technicality - Orange Man Bad!" The screams will become even louder if the charges are tossed by a Trump-appointed judge.
Charges will be timed for maximum political damage before the election. This is all banana-republic style electioneering.
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A federal judge has granted Trump's request for a special master to review the items taken by the FBI from his Mar-a-Lago residence.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/special-master-fbi-mar-a-lago/2022/09/05/id/1086047/ (https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/special-master-fbi-mar-a-lago/2022/09/05/id/1086047/)
https://www.oann.com/judge-grants-trump-request-for-special-master/ (https://www.oann.com/judge-grants-trump-request-for-special-master/)
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Have the "Third Party Independent" folks the government appoints to Trump related things been good for Trump in the past? It seems like all the special prosecutors or special councils that he got while Congress was digging ended up doing more harm than good, but I confess I probably don't know all of them.
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Short list of potential special master appointees
Peter Strzok
Lisa Page
Hillary xlinton
Bill Barr
All certain to be fair and impartial.
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Short list of potential special master appointees
Peter Strzok
Lisa Page
Hillary xlinton
Bill Barr
All certain to be fair and impartial.
You forgot Liz Cheney
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You forgot Liz Cheney
Don't leave out Adam Kinzinger and Adam Schiff
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Why not Kathy Griffin?
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In the end, it may ultimately boil down to this. Crazy stuff from the DoJ with regard to Trump lately.
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https://www.newsweek.com/steve-bannon-tells-charlie-kirk-35-maga-allies-got-raided-day-indictment-1741707
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I heard on TV that the DOJ is now trying to figure out how to charge Trump . . . because they didn't find incriminating documents they were looking for!
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I heard on TV that the DOJ is now trying to figure out how to charge Trump . . . because they didn't find incriminating documents they were looking for!
He probably sold them to the Russians! :mad:
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I heard on TV that the DOJ is now trying to figure out how to charge Trump . . . because they didn't find incriminating documents they were looking for!
I repeat. This is not about Trump, it's about us. It's about what they can get away with when doing this to the little guy who won't make the news when it happens to him. The one who will sit in prison for a year(s) with no bail and no charges. Or who will do whatever they tell him to do, because he can't afford to go bankrupt fighting illegal and false charges.
You have only to look at the 06JAN statements (confessions) of people who were arrested for trespassing whose lives were ruined and who were trying to mitigate the damages to themselves by writing "statements" reminiscent of what the North Vietnamese got from prisoners during that war.
I believe it's why even some left-leaning people are questioning this whole fiasco.
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He probably sold them to the Russians! :mad:
Has Sandy Berger visited Mar A Lago recently?
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He probably sold them to the Russians! :mad:
The Irish stole it first! (Reference to the movie Ronin so Terry doesn’t get snippy.)
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Biden DOJ Picks Same Special Master Candidate Who Was Behind Giuliani and Toensing Home Raids – Michael Cohen Case — AND DONATES TO DEMOCRATS!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/09/doj-picks-special-master-candidate-behind-behind-giuliani-toensing-home-raids-michael-cohen-case/
Does the DOJ pick the "special master" or does the judge?
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Biden DOJ Picks Same Special Master Candidate Who Was Behind Giuliani and Toensing Home Raids – Michael Cohen Case — AND DONATES TO DEMOCRATS!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/09/doj-picks-special-master-candidate-behind-behind-giuliani-toensing-home-raids-michael-cohen-case/
Does the DOJ pick the "special master" or does the judge?
The judge picks. DOJ and Trumps team each make their own recommendation. The judge may try to get them to agree on someone.
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I want to see something from the Secret Service. Considering the facility was under their watch, he room in question guarded by them, and the documents in question already known to them and in their care, where do they stand on this whole mess? Either they were in on it, or they weren't.
Brad
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Pretty sure the USSS has a non involvement policy on the people they protect. They won't watch, notice, or comment on what you do so protectees are less likely to try and ditch them for shady things.
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Kinda figured that was the case, but it still seems odd. Double odd seeing as that room was specially outfitted for security at the direction of (specific agency I can't remember) and USS security was considered fine until a few months ago. Infers that the DOJ didn't trust them to keep the room and its contents secure. If I were the USSS, I would be pissed.
Brad
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The issue is not that the room was insecure (although it was, by default) the issue is that DJT no longer has Need-To-Know, or indeed authorization to hold ANY US government records, much less classified ones.
The other issue is, of course, the unprecedented and heavy handed way the .gov went about addressing the first issue.
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The issue is not that the room was insecure (although it was, by default) the issue is that DJT no longer has Need-To-Know, or indeed authorization to hold ANY US government records, much less classified ones.
The other issue is, of course, the unprecedented and heavy handed way the .gov went about addressing the first issue.
You don't have access to the necessary information to make that claim, and if you do you just committed your own crime.
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You don't have access to the necessary information to make that claim, and if you do you just committed your own crime.
;/ No. I didn't.
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Trump Voters Put Biden Signs In Their Yards So That The FBI Will Pass Over Them
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-voters-put-biden-signs-in-their-yards-so-that-the-fbi-will-pass-over-them
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;/ No. I didn't.
So you don't know the specific circumstances of President Trump's clearances, access, or need to know. But you presume to know enough to declare that he committed crimes associated with these things.
That's speshul.
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So you don't know the specific circumstances of President Trump's clearances, access, or need to know. But you presume to know enough to declare that he committed crimes associated with these things.
That's speshul.
No. I can infer that as he is no longer the CinC, his Need to Know is pretty much gone. Much like my Need to Know has changed as I changed positions and job responsibilities over my career. I can also read the plain language of the Presidential Records Act to infer that he doesn't have the authorization to hold .gov records from his tenure.
Just because DOJ is weaponized and being misused, it doesn't mean we have to stop any critical thinking.
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Well this is getting weird
They seized his phone while he was in a Hardee's drive thru
'Fed Bath and Beyond': FBI Agents Reportedly Seize MyPillow Creator Mike Lindell's Cellphone
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2022/09/14/fed-bath-and-beyond-fbi-agents-reportedly-seize-my-pillow-creator-mike-lindells-cellphone-n2613069
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Well this is getting weird
They seized his phone while he was in a Hardee's drive thru
'Fed Bath and Beyond': FBI Agents Reportedly Seize MyPillow Creator Mike Lindell's Cellphone
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2022/09/14/fed-bath-and-beyond-fbi-agents-reportedly-seize-my-pillow-creator-mike-lindells-cellphone-n2613069
I seriously think they are doing this over the top stuff to get more people like me to say, "Jesus Christ! This is over the top! Do they want a civil war or something?!?" on internet forums and social media sites. Then they harvest the comments and edit out everything except, "Do they want a civil war?" and then compile a new list of "extremist rhetoric" that they send to the MSM.
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'Fed Bath and Beyond': FBI Agents Reportedly Seize MyPillow Creator Mike Lindell's Cellphone
Not really related to Mar-A-Lago or Trump taking documents.
Lindell also posted on social media a grand jury subpoena from a federal prosecutor in Colorado and what appears to be a search warrant related to a federal investigation into breached voting machines in Mesa County, Colorado.
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The case appears to stem from a 2021 breach of voting machines in Mesa County, allegedly by the county’s clerk Tina Peters and her associates. Peters is facing state felony charges in the alleged breach
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Not really related to Mar-A-Lago or Trump taking documents.
Nonsense, this is all related to taking out MAGA. A different line of attack in the same special operation. Possibly just a non-kinetic war amongst factions of different grifters.
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They're going after anyone with Trump ties. to find something, anything.
And you can bet the farm they'll tie it in with Trump even if it's something remote like they both went to a Mexican restaurant within 6 months of each other.
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Yeah I remember that photo. When it hit the news a bunch of SJWs got their panties twisted up in knots over Trump committing an act of racism and suddenly a white person ordering a taco salad or anything remotely Mexican was a racist act.
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Well this is getting weird
They seized his phone while he was in a Hardee's drive thru
At a burger joint? Really?
So . . . did they have him under 24/7 surveillance so they knew all his comings and goings, or did they bug his vehicle with a tracking device? Or were they pinging his phone to get GPS data? The FBI seems to be accosting people at some odd locations lately . . .
Time for good encryption security to "lock down" phones for everyone but the owner . . . as well as multiple phones for people prominently associated with the GOP generally or Trump in particular.
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The FBI seems to be accosting people at some odd locations lately . . .
My thoughts, too.
That doesn't scream "something fishy" at all now, does it. ???
Brad
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He should have gone to Chick-Fil-A. Everyone knows leftist agents can't come on consecrated ground.
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My thoughts, too.
That doesn't scream "something fishy" at all now, does it. ???
Brad
Just reminding people they're not safe anywhere.
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Mike Lindell Still Holding Out Against FBI Inside MyPillow Fort
https://babylonbee.com/news/mike-lindell-still-holding-out-against-fbi-inside-mypillow-fort
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Dang, and we just bought 2 of his pillows at Ollie's yesterday! (Wife says they are very comfortable)
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Special Master has been appointed.
A Reagan appointee, Dearie has worked as a judge since 1986, including a seven-year stint on the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, or FISA court.
During that time Dearie was among the judges to approve the 2016 warrant to surveil Trump campaign foreign policy adviser Carter Page as the Justice Department investigated Russian interference in the presidential election.
I'm surprised he was on Trump's list with that bit of history.
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Special Master has been appointed.I'm surprised he was on Trump's list with that bit of history.
Doesn't surprise me at all. He was snookered into signing a warrant based on bogus info. As a long time higher-court judge, that has to sting. It's a stain on his career and certainly not something he will soon forget. If anyone has their guard up about such shenanigans happening again, it will be him.
Brad
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Special Master has been appointed. I'm surprised he was on Trump's list with that bit of history.
Me too
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FBI Reports Fantastic Night's Sleep After Raid On MyPillow
https://babylonbee.com/news/fbi-reports-fantastic-nights-sleep-after-raid-on-mypillow
According to lip-reading experts who have analyzed footage of an FBI huddle in the parking lot of Lindell's factory, agents were marveling at how the foam fill of MyPillow products keeps its position throughout the night, as well as agreeing that they fell asleep faster and stayed asleep longer. They also added that the seized documents were the softest, most comfortable documents they had ever confiscated.
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Just in case it hasn't been posted, think on the correlation here between the Left's attacks on Reagan and Trump:
"We have no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, but the seriousness of the allegations, and the weight of circumstantial information,... (https://www.nytimes.com/1991/08/06/us/inquiry-is-ordered-on-1980-campaign.html)
Woody
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Fox is reporting an interesting exchange in court today on Mar-a-Lago. Judge Dearie asked for proof or support for Trump's claim of declassification. Trump attorney said that they were not prepared to supply such support at this time. The judge was reportedly not happy and said that Trump "cannot have his cake and eat it too." He then said that he was inclined to accept the classification assertions of the Justice Department. The court's request for support of the declassification was highly predictable and the absence of support at this stage is striking. Even if Trump is claiming an oral order, they could have offered a declaration from Trump or a staff member on such an order.
I don't see how Dearie has much choice but to consider classified marked documents as classified if Trump refuses to assert (in court) that he declassified them.
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TDS
"I love that!"
The View forces kids to dress up as the Mar-a-Lago raid.
They put 2 kids in FBI uniforms and forced another to dress as a toilet with documents in it and Trump's hair and orange face. pic.twitter.com/fALk8skqqZ
— Nicholas Fondacaro (@NickFondacaro) October 31, 2022
What ‘The View’ dressed kids up as for their Halloween show is TDS in overdrive
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/10/31/what-the-view-dressed-kids-up-as-for-their-halloween-show-is-tds-in-overdrive/
video https://twitter.com/NickFondacaro/status/1587105750299672581
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Kids just love that kinda stuff!
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So, nothingburger (again!) that required an assault on a private residence.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/11/15/wapo-quietly-admits-fbi-found-nothin-in-raid-of-trumps-home-conveniently-after-the-election/
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So, nothingburger (again!) that required an assault on a private residence.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/11/15/wapo-quietly-admits-fbi-found-nothin-in-raid-of-trumps-home-conveniently-after-the-election/
To be started up again summer/fall 2024