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Title: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2022, 09:13:39 AM
Sounds like Queen Elizabeth II may be on her deathbed.
Could be the passing of an era is at hand.

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Queen's closest family members head to Balmoral
We're hearing all the Queen’s children are either at or on the way to Balmoral.

Live Queen's doctors concerned for her health - palace
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-62834633
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Ben on September 08, 2022, 09:19:26 AM
Yeah, I'm seeing this on the news right now. Seems imminent and inevitable.

I will be saddened. She may be a redcoat, but she sure has seemed to have a good head on her shoulders, good humor, common sense, and no time for nonsense.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Brad Johnson on September 08, 2022, 09:20:14 AM
She may be a redcoat, but she sure has seemed to have a good head on her shoulders, good humor, common sense, and no time for nonsense.

Definitely. Wish there were a bunch more politicians like that. A fair number of folks in the political game here would do well to learn from her.

Brad
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Ron on September 08, 2022, 09:40:52 AM
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Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2022, 09:48:44 AM
Don't understand why they call it off unless there's some sort of tradition going on.

Buckingham Palace calls off Changing of the Guard
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-62834633?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6319eef4b93e504e258c7532%26Buckingham%20Palace%20calls%20off%20Changing%20of%20the%20Guard%262022-09-08T13%3A42%3A40.173Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:ed29c6f3-bc2c-462d-b4f3-ddef700913f4&pinned_post_asset_id=6319eef4b93e504e258c7532&pinned_post_type=share
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: HankB on September 08, 2022, 10:49:44 AM
As as American I figure we settled our relationship with English royalty in the 18th century . . . but I have no animosity for their Queen, who always seemed to be a classy lady.

My most memorable recollection of their queen was a photo montage of her meetings over the years with successive U.S. Presidents from Truman to Trump. Same queen - different Presidents.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 08, 2022, 11:04:29 AM
As as American I figure we settled our relationship with English royalty in the 18th century . . . but I have no animosity for their Queen, who always seemed to be a classy lady.

My most memorable recollection of their queen was a photo montage of her meetings over the years with successive U.S. Presidents from Truman to Trump. Same queen - different Presidents.

I don't remember, did she have the misfortune to have to meet with Brandon?
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: sumpnz on September 08, 2022, 11:06:51 AM
I was hoping she’d make it to the longest ever serving monarch.  That seems unlikely now.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Ben on September 08, 2022, 11:10:45 AM
My most memorable recollection of their queen was a photo montage of her meetings over the years with successive U.S. Presidents from Truman to Trump. Same queen - different Presidents.

Her long reign also creates an interesting case study in the degradation of her bloodline. Both her and Prince Phillip came from the greatest generation. Prince Charles is not what they were, and certainly Prince Harry is exponentially less.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2022, 11:20:45 AM
List of PMs under QE II

Winston Churchill (1951–55)
Anthony Eden (1955–57)
Harold Macmillan (1957–63)
Alec Douglas-Home (1963–64)
Harold Wilson (1964–70)
Edward Heath (1970–74)
Harold Wilson (1974–76)
James Callaghan (1976–79)
Margaret Thatcher (1979–90)
John Major (1990–97)
Tony Blair (1997–2007)
Gordon Brown (2007–10)
David Cameron (2010–16 )
Theresa May (2016–19)
Boris Johnson (2019–2022)
Liz Truss (2022- )
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2022, 11:32:49 AM
If this is the queen's last day or days I have a feeling Charles will stay in maybe a month or so just to get his name in the history books as king and then step down in favor of William. Sometimes I gets the impression he doesn't want it
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on September 08, 2022, 12:04:23 PM
Wasn't that a Sex Pistols song?
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: MillCreek on September 08, 2022, 12:05:31 PM
Wasn't that a Sex Pistols song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMxqcgBhWQ

'God save the Queen' by the Sex Pistols.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: MillCreek on September 08, 2022, 01:35:50 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

The Queen has died at the age of 96.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2022, 01:36:29 PM
RIP Elizabeth II
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: sumpnz on September 08, 2022, 01:45:40 PM
The end of a very long era.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 08, 2022, 01:59:12 PM
Media are now referring to Charles as King.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2022, 02:04:01 PM
Speculation on whether or not he'll be Charles III or if he will choose another name.
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One of his first acts is to decide whether to reign as King Charles III, or take another name.

For instance, his grandfather George VI's first name was Albert, but he reigned using one of his middle names. Charles could choose from any of his four names - Charles Philip Arthur George.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59135132

Please not Arthur. Just wouldn't seem right
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Ben on September 08, 2022, 02:07:47 PM
RIP.

I bet Henpecked Harry is feeling like *expletive deleted*it right now. I think he and the harridan were inbound but likely didn't make it in time.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Pb on September 08, 2022, 02:12:02 PM
God bless her.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on September 08, 2022, 02:13:21 PM
I actually have a fair amount of respect for Harry and Meghan.

They tried to fit into the Royal family but it's pretty apparent that she was not being welcomed at all.

For them to walk away from the Royal family as they did took a LOT of balls.

That doesn't excuse the crass as crap tell all interviews that they did after that, though.


I think, however, once Charles is crowned you're going to see one HELL of a reckoning inside the royal family, especially with Andrew and very possibly his daughters. Charles has always hated Andrew (Andrew was the Queen's favorite) and I think he's going to take his vengeance and it's going to be ugly as hell.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Brad Johnson on September 08, 2022, 02:21:00 PM
RIP, Classy Lady.

Brad
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 08, 2022, 03:06:18 PM
I was hoping she’d make it to the longest ever serving monarch.  That seems unlikely now.

She was certainly the longest serving British monarch. Who ruled longerr than 70 years?
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: MillCreek on September 08, 2022, 03:23:20 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest-reigning_monarchs

Louie XIV at 72 years, 110 days.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2022, 06:10:15 PM
Charles has officially decided to go with King Charles III
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 08, 2022, 07:02:17 PM
Charles has officially decided to go with King Charles III

Good. The sequel was pretty disappointing, compared to the drama of the first Charles. Hopefully, with the third installment, they'll go back to what really worked in the original.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: zxcvbob on September 08, 2022, 07:05:58 PM
I wonder how long before he abdicates
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: T.O.M. on September 08, 2022, 07:09:34 PM
She volunteered to serve during WWII, when she could have stayed in the palace.  No one would have thought less of her for staying home, but they sure thought more of her for putting on a uniform.

The day after the 9/11 attacks, she ordered the band to play the Star Spangled Banner during the changing of the guard at the palace.

When the Olympis came to London, she agreed to the fun video with Daniel Craig.

Rest well, Your Highness.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Ron on September 08, 2022, 07:14:17 PM
I wonder how long before he abdicates
To bad his friends Savile and Epstein aren't around to comfort him in his loss and congratulate him on ascending to the throne.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: HankB on September 08, 2022, 07:23:02 PM
WHO does the USA have to attend the royal funeral?

Given the "special relationship" between our countries and the late queen's support for the USA, we're obligated to send someone important.

POTUS? The guy with rapidly diminishing capacity who stumbles while reading a teleprompter even when he's been medicated up to the eyebrows?

VPOTUS? The lazy, utter incompetent who bursts into a cackling laugh at inappropriate moments, whose only purpose is to keep POTUS from being impeached or removed via the 25th Amendment?

The Speaker? The Secretary of State? Some other minor politician or lackey? Seriously?

Who do we send that WON'T be an insult to our best ally, and won't embarrass us with some idiotic faux-pas? I can only think of a certain former POTUS, but orange man bad, so that won't be happening.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on September 08, 2022, 07:40:39 PM
"To bad his friends Savile and Epstein "

Epstein was buds with Prince Andrew, not Charles.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: T.O.M. on September 08, 2022, 07:47:27 PM
WHO does the USA have to attend the royal funeral?

Given the "special relationship" between our countries and the late queen's support for the USA, we're obligated to send someone important.

If I recall my protocol correctly, this would be a head of state funeral.  POTUS is the proper representative, or VPOTUS with an excuse a d apologies for the absence of POTUS.  Whether he would be asked to speak or not likely depends on the wishes of the family, or the Quuen if she had input on the London Bridge is Down plan.

Like it or not, he is still the face of the US at this time.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2022, 07:49:30 PM
Place your bets
How many times he looks at his watch
Falls asleep.
He goes into a anti-MAGA rant
He forgets who the funeral is for
Poops his pants
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 08, 2022, 07:52:01 PM
WHO does the USA have to attend the royal funeral?



For all their faults, Obama and W are the obvious answers, though Trump should also attend. I would think Biden would go. Assuming he does, we're going to need Barack and Mrs. Biden to keep the old man firmly in hand to avoid further embarrassment. (That he represents us is embarrassment enough.)

Sending our special needs VP seems like a straight--up insult.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 08, 2022, 07:53:46 PM
Whether he would be asked to speak or not likely depends on the wishes of the family, or the Queen if she had input on the London Bridge is Down plan.

Oh, please, please spare us. Groan.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2022, 07:56:13 PM
I was going to say Obama would probably be the best choice. Just say Biden is too ill which is really not lying.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: MillCreek on September 08, 2022, 08:07:05 PM
My wife and I were discussing this: The President would be invited as the head of state, but we were wondering, which, if any, living ex-Presidents would be invited. 
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2022, 08:26:11 PM
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Drachinifel
Drachinifel
6 hours ago
After 70 years, the vessels of the Royal Navy sail once more as His Majesty's Ships...
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 08, 2022, 08:30:40 PM
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...His Majesty's Ships
[/quote]

Is that important?
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2022, 08:31:28 PM
Is that important?

Drach's way of noting the passing of an era
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2022, 08:48:09 PM
Stacey Abrams Announces That With A Heavy Heart She Will Succeed Elizabeth II As Queen
https://babylonbee.com/news/stacey-abrams-announces-that-with-a-heavy-heart-she-will-succeed-elizabeth-ii-as-queen
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: zxcvbob on September 08, 2022, 09:29:46 PM
My wife and I were discussing this: The President would be invited as the head of state, but we were wondering, which, if any, living ex-Presidents would be invited.

Biden pretty much has to go.  I would expect all the living ex-presidents to be invited but don't know.  Maybe some of them don't get along with the royals.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Andiron on September 08, 2022, 09:40:36 PM
A well earned rest for that one.  We are diminished.

Ave Atque Vale
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Ron on September 08, 2022, 09:53:07 PM
"To bad his friends Savile and Epstein "

Epstein was buds with Prince Andrew, not Charles.
Getting which royals were friends with which pedophiles all confused  :P   

Like Carlin said, it's a big club and you ain't in it.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: cordex on September 08, 2022, 10:21:27 PM
I actually have a fair amount of respect for Harry and Meghan.

They tried to fit into the Royal family but it's pretty apparent that she was not being welcomed at all.

For them to walk away from the Royal family as they did took a LOT of balls.
I don’t follow the royal stuff, but out of curiosity where do you get the bold bit?  What little I’ve seen from her has been … not flattering.  I’ve known narcissistic girls who remind me of her and every one has fully earned the dislike of the families they marry in to.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: HankB on September 09, 2022, 07:04:10 AM
Stacey Abrams Announces That With A Heavy Heart She Will Succeed Elizabeth II As Queen
https://babylonbee.com/news/stacey-abrams-announces-that-with-a-heavy-heart-she-will-succeed-elizabeth-ii-as-queen
If she leaves to assume the queenship, who will then become governor of Georgia?
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on September 09, 2022, 07:11:30 AM
Going to be impossible to say King Charles without adding spaniel after it...

Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on September 09, 2022, 07:18:07 AM
I wonder how long before he abdicates


For more than 20 years people were asking... When is the Queen going to abdicate in favor of Charles, especially in the years right after Diana's death.

Then for the last few years every once in awhile it would be When is the Queen going to abdicate to William and skip Charles? As if that would be something that she could do on a whim...

There is a better chance of Charles losing his head through a parliamentary uprising than there is of him abdicating.*


Barring any really nasty debilitating or terminal disease, and even then you'd probably see something like you saw in the 1800s with William becoming Prince Regent and Charles remaining King.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on September 09, 2022, 07:28:42 AM
If I recall my protocol correctly, this would be a head of state funeral.  POTUS is the proper representative, or VPOTUS with an excuse a d apologies for the absence of POTUS.  Whether he would be asked to speak or not likely depends on the wishes of the family, or the Quuen if she had input on the London Bridge is Down plan.

Like it or not, he is still the face of the US at this time.


That sounds about right. When Kennedy was assassinated Prince Philip led the UK delegation, which included the Prime Minister and the leaders of both of Britain's major political parties.

When Churchill died in 1965 Lyndon Johnson was ill and couldn't travel so Chief Justice Earl Warren led the US delegation.

The last time a British monarch died, King George VI in 1952, Harry Truman was president and didn't attend. He sent Secretary of State Dean Acheson.

When Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother, died in 2002 Laura Bush led the US delegation.

Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on September 09, 2022, 07:38:23 AM
I don’t follow the royal stuff, but out of curiosity where do you get the bold bit?  What little I’ve seen from her has been … not flattering.  I’ve known narcissistic girls who remind me of her and every one has fully earned the dislike of the families they marry in to.

I'm not saying that she's perfect. Yes, she can be... dramatic.

But you honestly didn't hear any of the credible reports about the racial comments that were made about her? From inside of the Royal family, not to mention in the press?

Allegedly it was comments by a senior member of the Royal family that finally made them decide to step away.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 09, 2022, 08:17:17 AM
His Royal Highness Prince Phillip loved pranking his wife, as she did him, here Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II is on her way out and spots her husband dressed up as one of the House guards, she couldn't hide her laughter.
https://twitter.com/James_RP_Barnes/status/1568032047712866306?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1568032047712866306%7Ctwgr%5E289d80e1414be1ee46a4e791f2b49ce25f13356c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Famy-313134%2F2022%2F09%2F08%2Fqueen-elizabeth-ii-twitter-tributes%2F

Note: Twitter felt the need to tag the photo at the link as
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The following media includes potentially sensitive content.

Guess they figure some people will be triggered by the sight of the queen laughing
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: cordex on September 09, 2022, 08:22:37 AM
But you honestly didn't hear any of the credible reports about the racial comments that were made about her? From inside of the Royal family, not to mention in the press?
I remember that she claimed someone was worried her kid might be too dark skinned or something.  You say those claims were credible - I assume you weren't referring just to her own pronouncements.  When I hear that a rather - "dramatic" as you put it - D list celebrity who has chosen to rely on controversy and scandal for a livelihood has said something sensational I don't tend to assume verity.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on September 09, 2022, 08:40:02 AM
Well, all I can tell you is do a little googling, see some of the absolutely puerile stuff that was written about her in the British press, and you make your own decision.

It's not something that was exactly hidden.

Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: cordex on September 09, 2022, 08:50:46 AM
Well, all I can tell you is do a little googling, see some of the absolutely puerile stuff that was written about her in the British press, and you make your own decision.
Eh.  It might mean something if it came from the family as you claimed, but it is hard to work up a care that something nasty was written about someone in the press.  UK tabloids being meanieheads is hardly something new or unique to that special snowflake.

Respect her all you like, but I doubt she tried to fit in as much as you claim.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on September 09, 2022, 09:12:58 AM
Both the press and the family made racially charged comments about her.

As I said. Google.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Ron on September 09, 2022, 09:22:43 AM
How racist can they be? They presided over the era when foreigners have taken over London and much of the country.

The proofs in the puddin, they love brown people, assenting to their crown jewel city being filled and run by foreign peoples.

Different peoples have had their turn at the helm of the isle over its long history, the only difference this time is the color of their skin makes it more obvious.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 09, 2022, 09:47:50 AM
Got to remember most monarchies have had an obsession in keeping their bloodlines pure or royal if you will often arranging marriages between close relatives with some going as far as being incestuous. The Ptolemies being a notable example of the latter and the Hapsburgs* of the former.

The Windsor's treatment of Meghan was to be expected, hundreds of years of bloodline traditions don't die overnight. While there may have been a fair amount of racism involved there was also a *gasp* she's a commoner! aspect to it. To be fair she did bring some of it down on herself acting like a spoiled know it all Hollywood elite with some of her public comments and I probably wouldn't want that kind of drama in my family either.

*Google Hapsburg Jaw
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Lennyjoe on September 09, 2022, 09:53:21 AM
I must be insensitive because I’m already tired of hearing about it on the news….
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 09, 2022, 10:46:49 AM
I must be insensitive because I’m already tired of hearing about it on the news….

Well I didn't care about Prince or that basketball player, and I really didn't like Robin Williams. But it would have been tasteless to brag about it in their obit thread.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 09, 2022, 11:00:02 AM
I remember that she claimed someone was worried her kid might be too dark skinned or something.  You say those claims were credible - I assume you weren't referring just to her own pronouncements.  When I hear that a rather - "dramatic" as you put it - D list celebrity who has chosen to rely on controversy and scandal for a livelihood has said something sensational I don't tend to assume verity.
.

I place her credibility on racial issues right up there with Jussie Smollet.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 09, 2022, 12:39:09 PM
The Windsor's treatment of Meghan was to be expected, hundreds of years of bloodline traditions don't die overnight. While there may have been a fair amount of racism involved there was also a *gasp* she's a commoner! aspect to it. To be fair she did bring some of it down on herself acting like a spoiled know it all Hollywood elite with some of her public comments and I probably wouldn't want that kind of drama in my family either.

Kate is (was) a commoner.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on September 09, 2022, 01:01:09 PM
"I place her credibility on racial issues right up there with Jussie Smollet."

Uhm... remember, she wasn't the only one claiming racist intent by both members of the royal family and the British press.

Harry backed up those claims.

Where do you put his credibility on racial issues?

Or is he just another, literally, ****** lover with no credibility because of that?  ???
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: sumpnz on September 09, 2022, 01:05:12 PM
"I place her credibility on racial issues right up there with Jussie Smollet."

Uhm... remember, she wasn't the only one claiming racist intent by both members of the royal family and the British press.

Harry backed up those claims.

Where do you put his credibility on racial issues?

Or is he just another, literally, ****** lover with no credibility because of that?  ???


I don’t care what color of woman he dips his wick in.  He has motivation to play along with her.  Monetary, domestic harmony, etc.  Besides, he’s a woke leftard regardless, so would have motive to push such a narrative for political reasons.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: cordex on September 09, 2022, 01:05:39 PM
Harry backed up those claims.
When you said she had balls I thought you meant his.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 09, 2022, 01:08:56 PM
Kate is (was) a commoner.

True but at least her demeanor lined up nicely with that of the Windsors, didn't openly criticizes them, and didn't come across as a potential gold digger.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on September 09, 2022, 01:12:03 PM
"Besides, he’s a woke leftard regardless, so would have motive to push such a narrative for political reasons."

You've really got to explain what political reasons he would have to have his wife's back.

I guess if you mean he was politically motivated to alienate himself from his family and his country, uhm... success?

As for a money aspect, I don't know their personal finances, but I do know that as senior royals their annual stipends for just breathing were pretty substantial, so I'm not sure that that claim makes much sense.

Jussee Smolette's ploy makes sense for someone who was trying to capitalize off a movement in the United States to solidify his position in the entertainment industry.

Harry and Megan's racism claims had no potential to do that because their positions were already cemented. They were set for life, and they chose to walk away from that...

Sorry, just not buying that as their motivation.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Pb on September 09, 2022, 01:13:23 PM
But you honestly didn't hear any of the credible reports about the racial comments that were made about her? From inside of the Royal family, not to mention in the press?


So what? 
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 09, 2022, 01:18:55 PM
This is CNN

https://twitter.com/CalebHowe/status/1568256978899845120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1568256978899845120%7Ctwgr%5Ec4ae39d50a826f5bf5f58485e6054123106c072c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fdougp-3137%2F2022%2F09%2F09%2Fcnn-notes-on-screen-that-charles-becomes-king-after-decades-of-well-see-it-for-yourself%2F
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcORXF8X0AEr7he?format=png&name=small)
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 09, 2022, 02:02:58 PM
Jussee Smolette's ploy makes sense for someone who was trying to capitalize off a movement in the United States to solidify his position in the entertainment industry.

Harry and Megan's racism claims had no potential to do that because their positions were already cemented. They were set for life, and they chose to walk away from that...

Sorry, just not buying that as their motivation.

With nothing factual to base it on, my supposition is that Meghan was simply unprepared for what life as a royal requires in terms of protocol. Things like curtsying the first time each day she encounters the queen, for example, are second nature to a Brit like Kate, but we Amurricans have been brought up that we don't bow to anyone -- but as the wife of a prince, such courtesies are expected and required. I'm sure she felt that she didn't fit in and that's probably because she didn't fit in -- and I suspect she didn't make much of an effort to adapt the the new situation. More than likely, she expected the entire royal family to adapt to her.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Brad Johnson on September 09, 2022, 02:14:11 PM
More than likely, she expected the entire royal family to adapt to her.

Agreed.

Brad
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: MechAg94 on September 09, 2022, 03:26:04 PM
Stacey Abrams Announces That With A Heavy Heart She Will Succeed Elizabeth II As Queen
https://babylonbee.com/news/stacey-abrams-announces-that-with-a-heavy-heart-she-will-succeed-elizabeth-ii-as-queen

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ATLANTA, GA — Rightful Governor of Georgia Stacey Abrams announced that she will succeed Elizabeth II as the Queen of England only moments after the announcement of the Queen's death.

"It is with a heavy heart that I accept my new responsibility as England's new Queen," said Abrams solemnly. "They say 'heavy is the head that wears the crown,' but my head was already heavy, so I'm used to it."
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Lennyjoe on September 09, 2022, 08:57:31 PM
Well I didn't care about Prince or that basketball player, and I really didn't like Robin Williams. But it would have been tasteless to brag about it in their obit thread.

Touché
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 09, 2022, 10:34:34 PM
 :rofl:

America Says Offer To Trade Biden For The Queen Still Stands
https://babylonbee.com/news/america-says-offer-to-trade--biden-for-the-queen-still-stands

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The U.S. government was reportedly prepared to sweeten the deal by including congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and actor Alec Baldwin in the trade, but this seemed to only scare the British off even more.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 10, 2022, 06:46:04 AM
:rofl:

America Says Offer To Trade Biden For The Queen Still Stands
https://babylonbee.com/news/america-says-offer-to-trade--biden-for-the-queen-still-stands

Do we have any ludicrous sized gemstones we can bribe them with?
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Ben on September 10, 2022, 09:21:11 AM
Respect her all you like, but I doubt she tried to fit in as much as you claim.

The teevee reminded me this morning of how she chose to make her political statement of boycotting Trump when he had his first visit with the Queen and Royal Family.

She's simply a Hollywood product akin to Kathy Griffin and the like. Harry is only that way because she has his balls in her purse. He seemed like an okay guy before he got involved with her.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: bedlamite on September 10, 2022, 09:34:51 AM
Count Dankula trolls the haters again as Dan McKullach, Duke Of Cumbernauld OBE MVP

https://twitter.com/CountDankulaTV/with_replies
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Pb on September 10, 2022, 10:23:39 AM
With nothing factual to base it on, my supposition is that Meghan was simply unprepared for what life as a royal requires in terms of protocol.

Maybe!  I just thought she was a evil bitch.

Divorced her first husband for no reason.
Made Harry give up his guns.
Her own family detests her.
Decides to raise her kids "gender neutral."
Pro abortion activist.

I used to think Harry was kind of cool guy, but he sure screwed himself over for a pretty face with a vile soul.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 10, 2022, 10:31:12 AM
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Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Ben on September 10, 2022, 10:48:43 AM
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 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 10, 2022, 04:10:08 PM
Maybe!  I just thought she was a evil bitch.

Divorced her first husband for no reason.
Made Harry give up his guns.
Her own family detests her.
Decides to raise her kids "gender neutral."
Pro abortion activist.

I used to think Harry was kind of cool guy, but he sure screwed himself over for a pretty face with a vile soul.

I didn't know she made Harry give up his guns, nor did I know about the gender-neutral stuff. Yeah, she has some issues.

Although, to be honest, since Brits in general can't have guns I think it's only fair that the royals shouldn't have them, either. But that's a different topic, for a different day.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: HankB on September 10, 2022, 04:25:52 PM
When I first heard Meghan Markle's name, I thought, "Who the hell is that? Never heard of her." When I saw her picture . . . I STILL didn't recognize her.

And such is my interest, to this day I STILL can't name what shows or movies she appeared in - at least, not without resorting to google.

If she made Harry give up his guns - I think less of Harry. And if she wants her kids to be gender-neutral - she's mentally ill.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 10, 2022, 04:43:36 PM
When I first heard Meghan Markle's name, I thought, "Who the hell is that? Never heard of her." When I saw her picture . . . I STILL didn't recognize her.

And such is my interest, to this day I STILL can't name what shows or movies she appeared in - at least, not without resorting to google.

If she made Harry give up his guns - I think less of Harry. And if she wants her kids to be gender-neutral - she's mentally ill.

I don't think anyone claimed she was a movie star. I think she was mostly known for Hallmark TV movies. In a way, that makes her look better. Harry apparently liked her for her; not fame or money.

Unfortunately, she seems to have the character defects we expect from movie stars...

Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Ben on September 10, 2022, 07:16:47 PM
I try to avoid being overly political in obit threads, but I gotta post this:

https://twitchy.com/amy-313134/2022/09/10/donald-trump-pays-tribute-to-queen-elizabeth-ll-in-daily-mail-exclusive/

Wow. I am impressed. I was really afraid that Trump was gonna go the junior high route from either not being invited to the funeral or from what some third party said. Even if it was one of his people, rather than him who wrote (or edited) it, he took the high road here. Good on him.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 10, 2022, 07:46:32 PM
I think they should invite Trump just to see what kind of stink Meghan would start  >:D
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Pb on September 10, 2022, 09:08:51 PM
Brits can have some guns, it is just a pain.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: HankB on September 11, 2022, 12:07:17 AM
I try to avoid being overly political in obit threads, but I gotta post this:

https://twitchy.com/amy-313134/2022/09/10/donald-trump-pays-tribute-to-queen-elizabeth-ll-in-daily-mail-exclusive/

Wow. I am impressed. I was really afraid that Trump was gonna go the junior high route from either not being invited to the funeral or from what some third party said. Even if it was one of his people, rather than him who wrote (or edited) it, he took the high road here. Good on him.
DJT's poignant, eloquent statement certainly upstaged everything - everything! - coming from the vapid nebbish currently infesting the White House. The comments at the Daily Mail Online were overwhelmingly quite complimentary to DJT as well.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 11, 2022, 11:02:55 AM
Is this supposed to be complimentary of the Queen?

https://youtu.be/bu9IxOwWRZw

What were they thinking? ???
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 12, 2022, 11:56:16 AM
King Charles Replaces Harry & Meghan With Two Corgis In Line Of Succession
https://babylonbee.com/news/king-charles-replaces-harry--meghan-with-two-corgis-in-line-of-succession
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: MillCreek on September 12, 2022, 01:16:32 PM
King Charles Replaces Harry & Meghan With Two Corgis In Line Of Succession
https://babylonbee.com/news/king-charles-replaces-harry--meghan-with-two-corgis-in-line-of-succession

Probably an improvement.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 12, 2022, 01:17:19 PM
Probably an improvement.

With those huge noses and ears, they should fit right in.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 12, 2022, 03:42:14 PM
Is this supposed to be complimentary of the Queen?

https://youtu.be/bu9IxOwWRZw

What were they thinking? ???

That was just plain strange.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: zxcvbob on September 12, 2022, 04:12:50 PM
That was just plain strange.

I only watched about a minute.  I think the point they were making was that even Hitler respected Her Majesty, Liz II, and was touched by her passing.  It was not in very good taste but it tried to be.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 12, 2022, 05:02:20 PM
I only watched about a minute.  I think the point they were making was that even Hitler respected Her Majesty, Liz II, and was touched by her passing.  It was not in very good taste but it tried to be.

Especially considering that she was alive at the time of Hitler's attacks on Great Britain.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: MillCreek on September 12, 2022, 06:11:57 PM
Especially considering that she was alive at the time of Hitler's attacks on Great Britain.

It has been many many years ago since I read this bit of history and I might be getting it wrong.  But I thought I had read some material about Germany's plans to invade Great Britain, and the High Command had a debate as to if they should execute all the Royals so they could not be a rally point for resistance, or to keep the Royals as a figurehead monarchy to pacify the populace. 
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: lee n. field on September 12, 2022, 06:14:30 PM
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I get a Bernie Sanders vibe from that.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: MillCreek on September 12, 2022, 06:17:28 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/09/12/queen-elizabeth-funeral-joe-biden-former-presidents-invitations/8063239001/

It appears as if only the Bidens received an invite to the funeral.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 12, 2022, 06:21:15 PM
It has been many many years ago since I read this bit of history and I might be getting it wrong.  But I thought I had read some material about Germany's plans to invade Great Britain, and the High Command had a debate as to if they should execute all the Royals so they could not be a rally point for resistance, or to keep the Royals as a figurehead monarchy to pacify the populace.

Much speculation they would have put the former King Edward VIII back in as a puppet.
How deep his Nazi sympathies really went is highly debated with much of it going one way then the other.

Ironically it was his abdication that put Elizabeth in direct line to the throne.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 13, 2022, 01:44:15 PM
Flightradar24 is jammed up.
Based on some YT videos that have popped up in my feed showing tracking of the flight of the Queen's coffin from Edinburgh to London I would say it may be due to people tracking the flight
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 13, 2022, 01:46:24 PM
Yep
Just got in and it's the most tracked flight listed by a large margin

Flt KRF01R
C-17
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: BobR on September 13, 2022, 01:53:04 PM
Yep
Just got in and it's the most tracked flight listed by a large margin

It will be opened back up PDQ, ADS-B shows that particular flight pretty close t London. I have never understood why some flights get such a following.

bob
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: HankB on September 13, 2022, 02:43:04 PM
King Charles Replaces Harry & Meghan With Two Corgis In Line Of Succession
https://babylonbee.com/news/king-charles-replaces-harry--meghan-with-two-corgis-in-line-of-succession
Not that the Corgis would be a bad replacement for a position that is largely ceremonial, but is Harry even in the line of succession? Aside from "withdrawing" from the life of royals, he married a divorcee (Meghan) which was not permitted in the Anglican church - in fact, wasn't that the reason King Edward VIII was forced to abdicate his crown way back in 1936?

Maybe church rules have changed since then and Harry got a "pass" on that . . .
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: sumpnz on September 13, 2022, 02:47:35 PM
He’s still in the line, but behind his brother and all of his brother’s kids.  So, unless fratricide returns to the succession planning Harry’s odds of becoming King are basically nil.  I’m sure they’ll be careful not to have all of Williams kids in the same plane or car just to maintain that succession in the event of an accident or act of terrorism/war.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 13, 2022, 03:12:30 PM
He’s still in the line, but behind his brother and all of his brother’s kids.  So, unless fratricide returns to the succession planning Harry’s odds of becoming King are basically nil.  I’m sure they’ll be careful not to have all of Williams kids in the same plane or car just to maintain that succession in the event of an accident or act of terrorism/war.

Meghan's middle name isn't Rodham by chance?
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 13, 2022, 03:40:43 PM
Meghan's middle name isn't Rodham by chance?

She ain't even half that ugly.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 14, 2022, 11:47:14 AM
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Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: HankB on September 14, 2022, 12:17:25 PM
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He's now THE KING. (Elvis has left the room . . . )
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: JTHunter on September 15, 2022, 01:03:41 AM
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The sad thing about this is that "Chucky" has been working to get this "job" all of his life.  Now, at 73, he finally has it, but for how long?
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 15, 2022, 12:50:55 PM
The sad thing about this is that "Chucky" has been working to get this "job" all of his life.  Now, at 73, he finally has it, but for how long?

Not sure what you're getting at. It is a hereditary position, so there's no working involved, unless he was trying to bump off his mum. Evidently, he was not. Tenure is life, unless Parliament decides to behead another king, or do that whole Glorious Revolution thing.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 15, 2022, 03:24:14 PM
Fact checkers on the case
And I actually was believing this one  :P

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    ❌ The queen did not announce that she had information that could lead to the arrest of former US presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

    These fabricated tweets are part of a long-running internet meme that circulates after the deaths of public figures https://t.co/7FaQWANum8 pic.twitter.com/LBCnokCnNC

    — AFP Fact Check 🔎 (@AFPFactCheck) September 15, 2022
AFP fact-checker gets to the bottom of memes about Queen Elizabeth’s last words
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/09/15/afp-fact-checker-gets-to-the-bottom-of-memes-about-queen-elizabeths-last-words/

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Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 15, 2022, 08:35:35 PM
I heard a rumor that people have been buying King Charles Spaniels right and left, but a quick net search yielded little. Anyone else heard this?
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: HankB on September 15, 2022, 09:03:14 PM
I heard a rumor that people have been buying King Charles Spaniels right and left, but a quick net search yielded little. Anyone else heard this?
My next door neighbor has one - she would probably say it's a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel.

It's very friendly, but either the dog is deaf (since it doesn't respond to her voice commands) or it never received any training beyond housebreaking.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 16, 2022, 01:25:18 PM
My next door neighbor has one - she would probably say it's a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel.

As I understand it, the KC Spaniel is a different breed from the Cavalier KC Spaniel. Guess the standard one is a round-head? Wait a minute, that doesn't make sense...
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Andiron on September 16, 2022, 09:02:18 PM
As I understand it, the KC Spaniel is a different breed from the Cavalier KC Spaniel. Guess the standard one is a round-head? Wait a minute, that doesn't make sense...

Maybe just call em Royalists and Roundheads?
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: bedlamite on September 16, 2022, 09:43:29 PM
Quote
King Charles Spaniel

Is that the breed that is so inbred that they are usually born with encephalitis?
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: sumpnz on September 17, 2022, 01:09:26 AM
Is that the breed that is so inbred that they are usually born with encephalitis?

No chin at least.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 17, 2022, 08:03:11 AM
Is that the breed that is so inbred that they are usually born with encephalitis?

Are you talking about dogs or European royalty?
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: BobR on September 17, 2022, 01:10:58 PM
Are you talking about dogs or European royalty?

Yes



bob
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 17, 2022, 09:32:39 PM
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Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: MillCreek on September 17, 2022, 11:20:25 PM
My wife and I were watching a documentary about the Queen and it occurred to me to wonder if she is above some aspects of British law.  If she called up the Royal Army and asked them to send over a Glock for her nightstand, I wonder if she would receive it.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: HankB on September 17, 2022, 11:38:23 PM
My wife and I were watching a documentary about the Queen and it occurred to me to wonder if she is above some aspects of British law.  If she called up the Royal Army and asked them to send over a Glock for her nightstand, I wonder if she would receive it.
Well, they DID own guns - I remember reading a story about the queen having a custom bolt action hunting rifle made in, IIRC, 7x57. This of course was decades ago. And at age 14 she learned to shoot a tommy gun.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/06/queen-elizabeth-churchill-gun/

The royal family also did some hunting, but Megan convinced Harry to forego the annual peasant hunt.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 17, 2022, 11:40:39 PM
My wife and I were watching a documentary about the Queen and it occurred to me to wonder if she is above some aspects of British law.  If she called up the Royal Army and asked them to send over a Glock for her nightstand, I wonder if she would receive it.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Fagan_(intruder) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Fagan_(intruder))
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 18, 2022, 12:39:30 AM

...the annual peasant hunt.

That's certainly one way to keep the rabble in line.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 18, 2022, 01:02:10 AM
The royal family also did some hunting, but Megan convinced Harry to forego the annual peasant hunt.

I see what you did there ...
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: HankB on September 18, 2022, 07:00:40 AM
That's certainly one way to keep the rabble in line.

I see what you did there ...

I wondered who'd catch that . . . in days of yore, peasant hunting really WAS the sport of kings.   ;)
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: JTHunter on September 18, 2022, 10:14:00 PM
I wondered who'd catch that . . . in days of yore, peasant hunting really WAS the sport of kings.   ;)

With the way the government is treating us, "peasant hunting" is STILL a "thing".  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 19, 2022, 09:44:32 AM
Live feed of the funeral

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8xwqi_9GDs
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 19, 2022, 11:21:16 AM
Is it wrong to be watching for a cringe moment from Joe?
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: sumpnz on September 19, 2022, 11:27:48 AM
Is it wrong to be watching for a cringe moment from Joe?

To be expected.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 19, 2022, 11:34:52 AM
a) He'll fall asleep
b) He'll think he's here for the funeral of Queen Victoria
c) He'll wander the grounds aimlessly thinking he's in Marta's Vineyard
d) Will start going on about how he's lowered prices.
e) He'll walk around with toilet paper hanging out of his pants
f) He'll start knocking on the casket expecting the queen to get up and fight him.
g) All the above
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 19, 2022, 11:57:16 AM
On a more serious note when they started singing God Save The King Charles looked like he was about to break.
Outside he appears to be much more relaxed now that's it's over.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 19, 2022, 12:01:42 PM
a) He'll fall asleep
b) He'll think he's here for the funeral of Queen Victoria
c) He'll wander the grounds aimlessly thinking he's in Marta's Vineyard
d) Will start going on about how he's lowered prices.
e) He'll walk around with toilet paper hanging out of his pants
f) He'll start knocking on the casket expecting the queen to get up and fight him.
g) All the above

I would make this a drinking game but I don't want what's left of my liver to explode.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 19, 2022, 12:02:19 PM
With the way the government is treating us, "peasant hunting" is STILL a "thing".  :facepalm:

Ruby Ridge?
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 19, 2022, 12:03:54 PM
William has to be hearing a voice in the back of his mind saying that'll be him in his dad's place in 10-15 years.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 19, 2022, 12:14:49 PM
William has to be hearing a voice in the back of his mind saying that'll be him in his dad's place in 10-15 years.

There will not be anywhere near the national (and international) sorrow when Charles III passes.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 19, 2022, 12:15:53 PM
There will not be anywhere near the national (and international) sorrow when Charles III passes.

Yep
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 19, 2022, 12:16:41 PM
Think how much the world has changed since 1952
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: bedlamite on September 19, 2022, 01:00:27 PM
I wondered who'd catch that . . . in days of yore, peasant hunting really WAS the sport of kings.   ;)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h0iAcQVIokg
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 19, 2022, 04:22:38 PM
There will not be anywhere near the national (and international) sorrow when Charles III passes.

Who?
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: bedlamite on September 19, 2022, 04:56:14 PM
Who?

King Bob.

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Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 19, 2022, 04:57:29 PM
 :rofl:

https://twitter.com/David_Strathdee/status/1571804677834153986
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 19, 2022, 06:32:44 PM
They stuck Biden 14 rows back.
Try to tell me it doesn't look like he's nodding off in the photo and that the woman behind and to his left hasn't noticed.

Photo ~half way down  https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62890879
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 19, 2022, 06:35:44 PM
King Bob.

(https://yt3.ggpht.com/a/AGF-l79KxIb7KV9vn-zLXnap7LIlHJic-BLQIbqq8A=s900-c-k-c0xffffffff-no-rj-mo)

BANANA!
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: HankB on September 19, 2022, 07:17:07 PM
They stuck Biden 14 rows back.
Try to tell me it doesn't look like he's nodding off in the photo and that the woman behind and to his left hasn't noticed.

Photo ~half way down  https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62890879
He's probably wishing he had a window seat instead of an aisle seat.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Pb on September 19, 2022, 08:17:27 PM
Is King Charles III as much of a jackass as he seems to be?
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 19, 2022, 08:31:08 PM
Is King Charles III as much of a jackass as he seems to be?

On a scale of 1 to 10 a 7 or 8.
Much of that is due to the spoiled nose up in the clouds attitude he has compare to the more down to earth of his mother's and the shittly way he treated Diana.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 19, 2022, 08:48:58 PM
Speaking of Charles
Been doing a little reading and one of the many women Edward VII (while he was still Prince of Wales) fooled around with was Camilla's great great grandmother. Possibility, though debated, that both Charles's and Camilla's great great grandfather was Edward VII.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 19, 2022, 10:13:36 PM
https://nypost.com/2022/09/19/trudeau-blasted-for-singing-bohemian-rhapsody-ahead-of-queens-funeral/
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 20, 2022, 01:08:55 AM
Question:

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Why do the two people at the left use what I think of as a British salute -- hand vertical, palm forward, thumb down, but King Charles, Princess Anne, and the other uniformed person at the extreme left-rear use the style of salute that we Americans use?
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 20, 2022, 01:43:23 AM
Question:

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Why do the two people at the lest use what I think of as a British salute -- hand vertical, palm forward, thumb down, but King Charles, Princess Anne, and the other uniformed person at the extreme left-rear use the style of salute that we Americans use?

The three are Navy. The forehead smackers are army and air force.  Might be significant.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 20, 2022, 08:13:54 AM
The three are Navy. The forehead smackers are army and air force.  Might be significant.

Closest is a Marine.

RN - Palm down.
Army & Marines - Palm forward, fingers almost touching cap.
RAF - Palm forward, fingers to the side and behind the right eye.

Story is, according to wiki, is that Queen Victoria was saluted by a sailor with a dirty palm and ordered it changed to palm down for the RN.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: dogmush on September 20, 2022, 08:18:16 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salute#:~:text=Since%201917%2C%20the%20British%20Army's,touching%20the%20cap%20or%20beret.

Quote from: wikipedia
he Naval salute differs in that the palm of the hand faces down towards the shoulder. This dates back to the days of sailing ships, when tar and pitch were used to seal a ship's timbers from seawater. To protect their hands, officers wore white gloves and it was considered most undignified to present a dirty palm in the salute, so the hand was turned through 90 degrees. A common story is that Queen Victoria, having been saluted by an individual with a dirty palm, decreed that in future sailors of the fleet would salute palm down, with the palm facing the ground.

That's the most British thing ever.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 20, 2022, 08:40:33 AM
Sound like Lets Go Brandon! to me :rofl:

Brutal: Joe Biden Greeted by 'FJB' Chants at Queen's Funeral
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2022/09/20/brutal-joe-biden-greeted-by-fjb-chants-at-queens-funeral-n2613328

Video

https://twitter.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1571966681597227008

 :rofl: if real
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: RocketMan on September 20, 2022, 09:14:07 AM
They stuck Biden 14 rows back.
Try to tell me it doesn't look like he's nodding off in the photo and that the woman behind and to his left hasn't noticed.

Photo ~half way down  https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62890879

I think he was looking at his watch and wondering when he could leave and go get his favorite ice cream.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Ben on September 20, 2022, 09:20:17 AM
Sounds like the FJB was not real, but the being late was.

To tangentially rant, a pet peeve of mine is that not just Brandon, but almost EVERY past president seems to think that as "the leader of the free world", they can waltz in anywhere on their own schedule and have people disrupt their lives for them - even if it's another world leader.

To me, one of the signs of a good leader is not treating others like dirt. That means that, barring national security issues, you *expletive deleted*ing show up places on time.

Good on the UK for making him wait.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 20, 2022, 09:28:29 AM
Sounds like the FJB was not real, but the being late was.

To tangentially rant, a pet peeve of mine is that not just Brandon, but almost EVERY past president seems to think that as "the leader of the free world", they can waltz in anywhere on their own schedule and have people disrupt their lives for them - even if it's another world leader.

To me, one of the signs of a good leader is not treating others like dirt. That means that, barring national security issues, you *expletive deleted*ing show up places on time.

Good on the UK for making him wait.

How dare the Brits schedule this during nappy time
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: RocketMan on September 20, 2022, 09:32:28 AM
Sounds like the FJB was not real, but the being late was.

You can very clearly hear the FJB chant in the video.  However, there is no way to tell if the poster mixed in the FJB chant into the video soundtrack, or if the audio track is original.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 20, 2022, 09:34:21 AM
Why I put "if real" This stuff can be faked so easily nowadays.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Ben on September 20, 2022, 09:37:21 AM
You can very clearly hear the FJB chant in the video.  However, there is no way to tell if the poster mixed in the FJB chant into the video soundtrack, or if the audio track is original.

I was just going by the Townhall link:

Quote
UPDATE: Okay, I might have been a little trigger-happy. The “FJB” chant might not have happened, but Mr. Biden was still late to the funeral. The post has been updated.

Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: RocketMan on September 20, 2022, 09:39:07 AM
Yeah, I wondered about the point of that update about the FJB chant.  He left out some context.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: HankB on September 20, 2022, 09:42:34 AM
Sounds like the FJB was not real, but the being late was.

To tangentially rant, a pet peeve of mine is that not just Brandon, but almost EVERY past president seems to think that as "the leader of the free world", they can waltz in anywhere on their own schedule and have people disrupt their lives for them - even if it's another world leader.

To me, one of the signs of a good leader is not treating others like dirt. That means that, barring national security issues, you *expletive deleted*ing show up places on time.

Good on the UK for making him wait.
Ailing elderly people with both physical and cognitive impairments sometimes are unable to keep to a schedule.

Why I put "if real" This stuff can be faked so easily nowadays.
You can't believe everything bad you hear about a person just because you detest them - the FJB chant could have easily been spliced into an internet video. It's all the more dubious since I suspect even the Brits know how the chat evolved to LGB. (As far as negative about bad people go - I saw a column about HRC claiming she was involved in kidnapping children to be used as human sacrifices in satanic rituals involving cannibalism. As much as I detest her, I don't buy assertions of child kidnapping, child murder, and cannibalism.)
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 20, 2022, 09:46:40 AM

You can't believe everything bad you hear about a person just because you detest them - the FJB chant could have easily been spliced into an internet video. It's all the more dubious since I suspect even the Brits know how the chat evolved to LGB.

Thought with "if real" had that covered
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 20, 2022, 09:51:27 AM
Could have been worst. Could have been Harris with her signature at the wrong moment crackle
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 20, 2022, 10:02:29 AM

I think, however, once Charles is crowned you're going to see one HELL of a reckoning inside the royal family, especially with Andrew and very possibly his daughters. Charles has always hated Andrew (Andrew was the Queen's favorite) and I think he's going to take his vengeance and it's going to be ugly as hell.

May have started to some degree if true.
But to be fair they were already "no longer working members of the royal family"

King Charles III plans to cut Harry, Andrew as official stand-ins
https://pagesix.com/2022/09/18/king-charles-iii-plans-to-cut-prince-harry-andrew-as-official-stand-ins/
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: dogmush on September 20, 2022, 10:18:52 AM
What did Beatrice do?  Is it just because she's to close to her father?
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 20, 2022, 10:58:18 AM
What did Beatrice do?  Is it just because she's to close to her father?

Could be nothing more than a procedural thing since with the death of E-II everything has shifted down.
Or he's using Andrew's eldest daughter to further punish his least favorite person in the world knowing this will hurt Andrew further.
Or a mix of both.

Either way I think this is going to be the least of the changes he may do.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: HankB on September 20, 2022, 11:37:24 AM
Could be nothing more than a procedural thing since with the death of E-II everything has shifted down.
Or he's using Andrew's eldest daughter to further punish his least favorite person in the world knowing this will hurt Andrew further.
Or a mix of both.

Either way I think this is going to be the least of the changes he may do.
This is the 21st Century, not the 13th.

Members of the Royal Family who are kicked in the behind by their Sovereign have the means of kicking back - by writing a "tell all" book if nothing else. Or maybe a movie screenplay. Even if banned in Britain, the Continent is just a short Chunnel ride away, and there are plenty of folks there who'd delight in publishing a book or making a movie about the House of Windsor.

Might be fun to watch, speaking as a citizen of a nation that settled its relationship with the English crown - definitively - by 1814.  [popcorn]
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 20, 2022, 11:37:39 AM
May have started to some degree if true.
But to be fair they were already "no longer working members of the royal family"

King Charles III plans to cut Harry, Andrew as official stand-ins
https://pagesix.com/2022/09/18/king-charles-iii-plans-to-cut-prince-harry-andrew-as-official-stand-ins/

This is sheer nonsense. Andrew and Harry are already completely out of the loop as "stand-ins" (i.e. working royals). The late queen herself stripped Andrew of his honorary military ranks and titles and banished him from any and all royal duties. Andrew, like Harry, wore a morning suit to the funeral, not a military uniform. I don't see that there's much more Charles can cut Andrew off from. As for Andrew's daughters -- I can't recall ever seeing them performing any royal duties.

I think the real question is what role Edward and Sophie will play under Charles. I know Sophie has, at least on occasion, been a "working royal," so I assume that Edward has been, as well.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 20, 2022, 11:56:40 AM
This is sheer nonsense. Andrew and Harry are already completely out of the loop as "stand-ins" (i.e. working royals). The late queen herself stripped Andrew of his honorary military ranks and titles and banished him from any and all royal duties. Andrew, like Harry, wore a morning suit to the funeral, not a military uniform. I don't see that there's much more Charles can cut Andrew off from. As for Andrew's daughters -- I can't recall ever seeing them performing any royal duties.


You're probably only aware of a tiny fraction of the royal duties they perform being a representative of the monarchy when opening libraries, monuments, bridges, when they travel, and whatnot. 99%+ of which isn't going to make the news here.

And as I stated above could be just a procedural thing since everything has now shifted.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Angel Eyes on September 20, 2022, 12:07:42 PM
I don't see that there's much more Charles can cut Andrew off from.

His head?





(just kidding; I know these aren't the good ol' days when His Highness could go Richard III on anyone who displeased him.)
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 20, 2022, 01:13:16 PM
like Harry, wore a morning suit to the funeral, not a military uniform.

I did notice he was not wearing his uniform at the funeral but this popped up in my YT feed
They're claiming  and not sure if they're making a mountain out of a molehill here, something Sky News is known for, but they say Harry was not allowed to wear the ER insignia on his mil uniform at the vigil and Harry being humiliated considered wearing a morning suit instead.

Some in the comment are questioning it. I posted this here because I have no clue myself if this is something or not and I did find it a bit odd he wasn't wearing his uniform since I figured that would be the traditional thing to do while William did.

Prince Harry 'devastated' after key detail stripped from his military uniform
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfwbz9F5c7U

I did find this which may answer some questions on the matter.

Quote
To recap, last week it was announced that Prince Harry would not be wearing military uniform to the Queen's funeral, despite having spent a decade in the army and undertaking two tours of Afghanistan. This is because only working members of the Royal Family are permitted to do so, meaning Prince Andrew – who was stripped of his titles – would also be required to wear a mourning suit instead of military uniform.

Although Harry was later granted special permission to wear military uniform to the grandchildren's vigil to the Queen, the same can not be said for his right to military salute. To understand why, let's take a look at the meaning behind a salute.
Why didn't Prince Harry give a salute at the Queen's funeral?
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/reports/a41279043/why-didnt-prince-harry-salute-queens-funeral/

So Sky News being Sky News, making Mountains out of molehills



Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 20, 2022, 03:46:15 PM
I did notice he was not wearing his uniform at the funeral but this popped up in my YT feed
They're claiming  and not sure if they're making a mountain out of a molehill here, something Sky News is known for, but they say Harry was not allowed to wear the ER insignia on his mil uniform at the vigil and Harry being humiliated considered wearing a morning suit instead.

Some in the comment are questioning it. I posted this here because I have no clue myself if this is something or not and I did find it a bit odd he wasn't wearing his uniform since I figured that would be the traditional thing to do while William did.

Prince Harry 'devastated' after key detail stripped from his military uniform
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfwbz9F5c7U

I did find this which may answer some questions on the matter.
Why didn't Prince Harry give a salute at the Queen's funeral?
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/reports/a41279043/why-didnt-prince-harry-salute-queens-funeral/

So Sky News being Sky News, making Mountains out of molehills

Yes, mountain out of ant hill. Those articles all ignore the fact that Andrew, who is also a genuine military veteran (he saw active duty in the Falklands War) was also not in uniform. As King, Charles is nominally the CIC of all British armed forces. Anne holds ranks as General, Admiral, and a metric tonne of Commandant titles. I'm sure Wills also holds a bunch of honorary ranks in addition to being an Air Force veteran.

In reality, it was an exception -- requested and authorized by Charles -- for Harry to have been allowed to wear his uniform when the grandchildren stood vigil around the coffin.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: grampster on September 20, 2022, 04:01:53 PM
Heh heh....Uncle Joe was photographed fiddling or playing with his tongue.  Must have gotten some hair on it from sniffing little Brit kids.  Also reported he may have fallen asleep during the service. :rofl:
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: HankB on September 20, 2022, 04:44:11 PM
. . . Anne holds ranks as General, Admiral, and a metric tonne of Commandant titles.  . . .
So she's Her Royal Highness The Princess Royal, Colonel-in-Chief of the King’s Royal Hussars, Colonel-in-Chief of the Worcestershire and Sherwood Foresters Regiment, Colonel-in-Chief of the Royal Corps of Signals, Colonel-in-Chief of the Royal Logistic Corps, Colonel-in-Chief the Royal Army Veterinary Corps, Colonel of the Blues and Royals, Royal Colonel of the Royal Scots Borderers, 1st Battalion Royal Regiment of Scotland, Royal Colonel of the 52nd Lowland, 6th Battalion Royal Regiment of Scotland, Royal Honorary Colonel of the University of London OTC, Commandant-in-Chief of the First Aid Nursing Yeomanry (Princess Royal’s Volunteer Corps), Honorary Air Commodore of RAF Brize Norton, Honorary Air Commodore of the University of London Air Squadron, Commodore-in-Chief of HMNB Portsmouth, Chief Commandant of the Women’s Royal Naval Service, Chief Commandant for Women in the Royal Navy, Admiral, General, Air Chief Marshal Arms, Royal Family Order of Queen Elizabeth II Order of St John, Dame Grand Cross of the Most Venerable Order of the Hospital of St John of Jerusalem, Dame of Justice of the Most Venerable Order of St John of Jerusalem, Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order (GCVO) – (Grand Master from 20 April 2007), Royal Knight of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, Extra Knight of the Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle and additional royal honors.

Glad I'm American so I don't have to take this nonsense seriously.

But while looking this up, I thought about this guy . . . who upon reflection, seems pretty modest by comparison:

"His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hajj Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of all the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Sea and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular."
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on September 20, 2022, 05:52:18 PM
Biden Tearfully Gives Queen One Final Sniff
https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-tearfully-gives-queen-one-final-sniff
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on October 02, 2022, 11:07:31 AM
Good example of why no one like Meghan

Quote
Meghan Markle became infuriated over her 2017 Vanity Fair cover, which ran with a headline that she deemed "racist," according to "Courtiers: The Hidden Power Behind the Crown," a new book by royal author Valentine Low.

Markle and Prince Harry reportedly objected to the October issue's headline "She's Just Wild About Harry!" as they pointed out that "I'm Just Wild About Harry" was the title of song that Judy Garland and Mickey Rooney performed as a blackface number in the 1939 musical "Babes In Arms"

Meghan Markle, the Joy Reid of the royals.  ;/

Meghan Markle was 'very unhappy' over her 2017 Vanity Fair cover and found the headline 'racist': report
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/meghan-markle-very-unhappy-over-her-2017-vanity-fair-cover-found-headline-racist
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on May 06, 2023, 09:32:16 AM
Giant penis mowed into lawn of Bath's historic Royal Crescent - days before Coronation
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1766390/king-charles-coronation-giant-penis-bath-royal-crescent
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on May 06, 2023, 10:24:52 AM
You know, I'm still having problems saying King Charles without adding Cavalier Spaniel after it.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on May 06, 2023, 12:06:46 PM
Just Harry at the coronation no Meghan. He flew in just before and jumped on a jet back home immediately afterwards to report back to his boss, I mean attend his son's 4th birthday.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: RocketMan on May 06, 2023, 12:30:14 PM
You know, I'm still having problems saying King Charles without adding Cavalier Spaniel after it.

Not to insult King Charles Cavalier Spaniels, but he does kind of resemble one.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on May 06, 2023, 02:04:43 PM
Not to insult King Charles Cavalier Spaniels, but he does kind of resemble one.

Reminded me more of a Basset Hound.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Ben on May 06, 2023, 02:18:44 PM
Reminded me more of a Basset Hound.

(https://media.tenor.com/rxnlTomKI0gAAAAd/got-game-of-thrones.gif)
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: HeroHog on May 06, 2023, 02:21:50 PM
Anyone else laugh at the guy trying to screw on his crown?
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: BobR on May 06, 2023, 03:49:55 PM
As I was going to bed last night they had started some of the "on the street" interviews. One young lady (I would say 20-30s) mentioned how she was so excited to be at the once in a lifetime event. I have news for her, unless she has some sort of terminal illness or get hits by the bus she will  be around for the next "once in a lifetime" event when they switch the bodies under the crown again.

bob
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: grampster on May 06, 2023, 04:34:54 PM
(https://media.tenor.com/rxnlTomKI0gAAAAd/got-game-of-thrones.gif)

"You know what?  I'm happy..."
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: sumpnz on May 06, 2023, 04:36:18 PM
Yeah, Chuckles is 70-something.  Good chance Billy will be king in 10-20 years.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on May 07, 2023, 07:45:59 AM
Apparently Harry didn't bow to the King during the grand procession and he didn't sing the national anthem.

Some people are very unhappy with him.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on May 07, 2023, 09:52:44 AM
And of course someone makes it about race.

Bridgerton star Adjoa Andoh stuns ITV presenters by calling the Buckingham Palace balcony 'terribly white' during live Coronation coverage
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/usshowbiz/article-12055129/Bridgerton-star-Adjoa-Andoh-stuns-ITV-calling-Buckingham-Palace-balcony-terribly-white.html
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on May 07, 2023, 10:59:30 AM
Anyone else laugh at the guy trying to screw on his crown?

Can you imagine the reaction if it fell off?  Looking at it I'm amazed it stays on as well as it does
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on May 07, 2023, 11:35:29 AM
"Why is it OK to dismiss a white family for being white?"

Because whitey ain't righty!

Everyone knows, from the 1066 Project, that Britain didn't start until black Africans put William the Conqueror on the throne.

Blacks are responsible for EVERYTHING good that has happened in Britain since those horrible white Angles, Saxons, and Vikings were put in their place. 
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: JTHunter on May 08, 2023, 04:56:59 PM
How many of you have seen that crazy video where a dark, robe figure is seen walking past an open door at the back of the chapel?  It might be photoshopped in but it could also be an omen that "Chuck" won't last that long.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on May 09, 2023, 07:20:34 AM
How many of you have seen that crazy video where a dark, robe figure is seen walking past an open door at the back of the chapel?  It might be photoshopped in but it could also be an omen that "Chuck" won't last that long.

OK, found this. According to multiple sources, it was a verger.

https://news.yahoo.com/unmasked-mysterious-grim-reaper-coronation-075716537.html
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on May 09, 2023, 09:14:07 AM
Don't mind him he's just here to finish that chess game
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on May 09, 2023, 09:39:28 AM
Yeah, Chuckles is 70-something.  Good chance Billy will be king in 10-20 years.

Not saying he's going to do it but it wouldn't shock me one bit if Chuckles steps down after a handful of years
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on May 09, 2023, 09:59:49 AM
"Not saying he's going to do it but it wouldn't shock me one bit if Chuckles steps down after a handful of years"

 ;/

For decades we heard "QE's going to skip over Charles and designate William the new king!" "QE is going to abdicate in favor of William!" and all sorts of other BS scenarios.

It won't happen.

Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on May 09, 2023, 10:07:41 AM
"Not saying he's going to do it but it wouldn't shock me one bit if Chuckles steps down after a handful of years"

 ;/

For decades we heard "QE's going to skip over Charles and designate William the new king!" "QE is going to abdicate in favor of William!" and all sorts of other BS scenarios.

It won't happen.

I never took it seriously. William was really too young during most of that talk and skipping Charles would have created a rift in the family that would never heal. Add to that Elizabeth was keenly aware of the wound in the family and the monarchy as a whole caused by Edward VIII's foolishness during her younger years. She wanted everything to go as smoothly as possible to avoid another public scandal despite Charlie throwing a monkey wench in the works with Camilla.
I could be wrong but Charles has often given me the impression he really doesn't want to be there and once his name is solidly in the history books as king will want out. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on May 09, 2023, 10:27:07 AM
In any event they're lucky William is appearing to at least to be far smarter and stable than his brother and the same goes for their respective wives as well.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on May 09, 2023, 10:32:53 AM
Skipping Charles wouldn't have just caused a rift in the family.

It would have caused a Constitutional crisis that likely would have brought the monarchy down. Literally.

There's a mechanism for a reigning monarch to abdicate, which is what Edward VIII did. But there's no mechanism for a reigning monarch to skip over the next hereditary heir to designate someone else to be monarch.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Ben on May 09, 2023, 10:36:10 AM
In any event they're lucky William is appearing to at least to be far smarter and stable than his brother and the same goes for their respective wives as well.

Indeed. It seems like he was always the "mature" one. Harry did some dumb stuff in his youth, but could have stepped up. It seems his military career and the associated discipline was always very important to him, until he met the shrew. And it's not all her fault. The dude just totally simped for her, which in some ways is weird because I'm sure there was a gaggle of potential princesses out there that were in every way better than a spoiled Hollywood d-lister.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: HankB on May 09, 2023, 10:48:37 AM
Why is King Charles's wife being referred to as Queen Camilla, while the late Queen Elizabeth's husband was merely Prince Phillip, the Queen Consort? As I understand it neither Camilla nor Phillip are/were in the line of succession, so is it some sort of gender-related courtesy thing? Or is it related to Phillip having some kind of royal title of his own from somewhere else?

Being an American I figure we settled our relationship with the English crown centuries ago so it really doesn't matter much to me other than idle curiosity.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: zxcvbob on May 09, 2023, 10:54:06 AM
Why is King Charles's wife being referred to as Queen Camilla, while the late Queen Elizabeth's husband was merely Prince Phillip, the Queen Consort? As I understand it neither Camilla nor Phillip are/were in the line of succession, so is it some sort of gender-related courtesy thing? Or is it related to Phillip having some kind of royal title of his own from somewhere else?

Being an American I figure we settled our relationship with the English crown centuries ago so it really doesn't matter much to me other than idle curiosity.

I think Queen is the proper title.  Queen Elizabeth was a queen regnant.  There's also a queen regent and a queen consort, and all are addressed by the title Queen.  (I'm kind of overextending my knowledge here)
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on May 09, 2023, 10:58:13 AM
Skipping Charles wouldn't have just caused a rift in the family.

It would have caused a Constitutional crisis that likely would have brought the monarchy down. Literally.

There's a mechanism for a reigning monarch to abdicate, which is what Edward VIII did. But there's no mechanism for a reigning monarch to skip over the next hereditary heir to designate someone else to be monarch.

My point is QE would have never even considered it anyway unless maybe C did something catastrophic to change her mind and give her no choice  mechanism in place or not. She wanted the monarchy to give the appearance at least of being as steady as a  rock. Why I never took skipping C talk seriously.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 09, 2023, 11:46:06 AM
Why is King Charles's wife being referred to as Queen Camilla, while the late Queen Elizabeth's husband was merely Prince Phillip, the Queen Consort? As I understand it neither Camilla nor Phillip are/were in the line of succession, so is it some sort of gender-related courtesy thing? Or is it related to Phillip having some kind of royal title of his own from somewhere else?

I have wondered the same thing, and the answer appears to be 'Because."

Phillip was a member of the Greek royal family, but he renounced all that in order to marry Elizabeth. The title of Prince Consort was entirely due to his being married to the queen.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on May 09, 2023, 12:03:27 PM
In any event they're lucky William is appearing to at least to be far smarter and stable than his brother and the same goes for their respective wives as well.

Indeed. It seems like he was always the "mature" one. Harry did some dumb stuff in his youth, but could have stepped up. It seems his military career and the associated discipline was always very important to him, until he met the shrew. And it's not all her fault. The dude just totally simped for her, which in some ways is weird because I'm sure there was a gaggle of potential princesses out there that were in every way better than a spoiled Hollywood d-lister.

Yeah, mature was the word I was trying to come up with.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Angel Eyes on May 09, 2023, 03:34:49 PM
(https://www.refugeforums.com/attachments/fvcah9dxwaunosf-jpeg.387270/)

(https://i.ibb.co/y5DxH8f/king.jpg)

(https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/attachments/img_0640-jpeg.742889/)
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on May 09, 2023, 05:05:40 PM
"Why is King Charles's wife being referred to as Queen Camilla, while the late Queen Elizabeth's husband was merely Prince Phillip, the Queen Consort?"

According to something I read some years ago, it's because in British monarchical hierarchy, someone can only become King through direct lineal inheritance, not through marriage.

Ah, here, this article from Time explains it.

https://time.com/5222279/why-prince-philip-wasnt-king/
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on May 09, 2023, 05:08:32 PM
Don't mind him he's just here to finish that chess game

NICE! Going to start calling you Antonius from now on...
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on May 09, 2023, 05:50:04 PM
NICE! Going to start calling you Antonius from now on...

I was wondering if anyone here got the reference.

For those who don't know it's from the movie The Seventh Seal where a man challenges death to a chess game in the hopes of delaying him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seventh_Seal


(https://charactersonthecouch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/the-seventh-seal-chess-scene-1108x0-c-default.jpg)
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on May 10, 2023, 08:44:17 AM
Seventh Seal is, bar none, one of my absolute favorite movies. Incredible allegorical commentary on the fear of global nuclear war.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 10, 2023, 11:01:06 AM
I would probably watch that more often, but the wife just won't have it. Too bleak for her, I guess.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on May 10, 2023, 11:09:10 AM
That's Max von Sydow on the right BTW
The movie is in Swedish.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on May 24, 2023, 12:55:41 PM
Terrified Paparazzi Photographer Starting To Think This Meghan Markle Girl Is Stalking Him
https://babylonbee.com/news/terrified-paparazzi-photographer-starting-to-think-this-meghan-markle-girl-is-stalking-him
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: MechAg94 on May 24, 2023, 03:29:58 PM
"Why is King Charles's wife being referred to as Queen Camilla, while the late Queen Elizabeth's husband was merely Prince Phillip, the Queen Consort?"

According to something I read some years ago, it's because in British monarchical hierarchy, someone can only become King through direct lineal inheritance, not through marriage.

Ah, here, this article from Time explains it.

https://time.com/5222279/why-prince-philip-wasnt-king/
So why does Camilla get the title of Queen when she is not in the line of succession?  Does she lose that title upon the eventual death of King Charles? 

I am sure there are rules for that, but I don't know them.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: BobR on May 24, 2023, 03:31:21 PM
So why does Camilla get the title of Queen when she is not in the line of succession?  Does she lose that title upon the eventual death of King Charles? 

I am sure there are rules for that, but I don't know them.

I am pretty sure it was because she said so!

bob
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 24, 2023, 04:23:01 PM
So why does Camilla get the title of Queen when she is not in the line of succession?  Does she lose that title upon the eventual death of King Charles? 

I am sure there are rules for that, but I don't know them.

Well, Elizabeth's mother's title was Queen Mother, so there some precedent. Of course, Camilla isn't Will's mother, so maybe she'll then be titled the Queen Stepmother.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on May 25, 2023, 07:48:34 AM
So why does Camilla get the title of Queen when she is not in the line of succession?  Does she lose that title upon the eventual death of King Charles? 

I am sure there are rules for that, but I don't know them.

In essence, it's an honorary title unless the Queen is the monarch through direct lineal descent (a King's daughter and/or heir) as was the case with Mary, Elizabeth I, Victoria, and Elizabeth II. As Queen, Camilla has virtually no power in the English Constitution because it defines the powers of the monarch. Similarly, Prince Phillip didn't have any real power because he wasn't the monarch; Elizabeth II was.

Prior to 973, the king's wife didn't have a title and wasn't part of the coronation. That changed with the coronation of King Edgar when his wife, Ælfthryth, was also crowned during his coronation, making her the first Queen of England and the first to wield substantial power and influence (it seems like she was a real frosty bitch, read up on her).

So, for over 1,000 years wives of British kings have generally given the title of queen, even though they are not part of the line of succession.

Given that Camilla isn't the mother of William, she likely won't be given the title of Queen Mother, but will just be Queen Dowager if Charles kicks the bucket first.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on May 25, 2023, 07:50:12 AM
Well, Elizabeth's mother's title was Queen Mother, so there some precedent. Of course, Camilla isn't Will's mother, so maybe she'll then be titled the Queen Stepmother.

That's precedent because Elizabeth was the actual mother of Elizabeth II.

Who knows, maybe William will create a new title -- Queen Step Mother.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: HankB on May 25, 2023, 07:56:42 AM
. . .
Who knows, maybe William will create a new title -- Queen Step Mother.
The scandal sheets have indicated he's not really fond of the woman his father took up with while still married to his actual mom (Diana). So perhaps once the crown is on HIS head he'll call her Queen Step Monster or some other similarly uncomplimentary title. Or simply "dis-entitle" her completely by royal decree.   >:D
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: MechAg94 on May 25, 2023, 09:03:00 AM
If he doesn't like her even then, I would assume she would retain some important sounding title and he would make sure she is off on some estate where he doesn't have to ever see her again. 
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on May 25, 2023, 04:53:53 PM
Oh, and another indication that the Queen, when the wife of the Monarch, is holding a ceremonial title?

She doesn't get a number after her name.

So, it wasn't King George VI and Queen Elizabeth II, it was just King George VI and Queen Elizabeth.

Queen Elizabeth II didn't happen until George VI's and Elizabeth's daughter became Queen on his death in 1952.

BUT!

There's always a but...

There is one example I've found where the king and queen were considered to be co-equal monarchs -- William III and Mary II.

This whole period of British history is confusing as hell. Mary II was British, William II was Dutch (House of Orange), and it took an act of parliament to proclaim that he would remain king and monarch if Mary died first (which she did.

Oops, there's a second... Queen Mary I and King Phillip....

Queen Mary was Elizabeth I's sister and a staunch Catholic who tried to overturn her father's (Henry VIII) reformation.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: zxcvbob on May 25, 2023, 05:43:51 PM
Oh, and another indication that the Queen, when the wife of the Monarch, is holding a ceremonial title?

She doesn't get a number after her name.

So, it wasn't King George VI and Queen Elizabeth II, it was just King George VI and Queen Elizabeth.

Queen Elizabeth II didn't happen until George VI's and Elizabeth's daughter became Queen on his death in 1952.

BUT!

There's always a but...

There is one example I've found where the king and queen were considered to be co-equal monarchs -- William III and Mary II.

This whole period of British history is confusing as hell. Mary II was British, William II was Dutch (House of Orange), and it took an act of parliament to proclaim that he would remain king and monarch if Mary died first (which she did.

Oops, there's a second... Queen Mary I and King Phillip....

Queen Mary was Elizabeth I's sister and a staunch Catholic who tried to overturn her father's (Henry VIII) reformation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLyB08xXoBs
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on May 25, 2023, 06:46:51 PM
Haven't heard that one before.

But yeah, that pretty much sums it up.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on May 25, 2023, 06:48:23 PM
Oh, and another indication that the Queen, when the wife of the Monarch, is holding a ceremonial title?

She doesn't get a number after her name.

So, it wasn't King George VI and Queen Elizabeth II, it was just King George VI and Queen Elizabeth.

Queen Elizabeth II didn't happen until George VI's and Elizabeth's daughter became Queen on his death in 1952.

BUT!

There's always a but...

There is one example I've found where the king and queen were considered to be co-equal monarchs -- William III and Mary II.

This whole period of British history is confusing as hell. Mary II was British, William II was Dutch (House of Orange), and it took an act of parliament to proclaim that he would remain king and monarch if Mary died first (which she did.

Oops, there's a second... Queen Mary I and King Phillip....

Queen Mary was Elizabeth I's sister and a staunch Catholic who tried to overturn her father's (Henry VIII) reformation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLyB08xXoBs

Wrong Mary
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on May 25, 2023, 07:01:31 PM
I think he knows that, Sheldon. It was joke.
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: K Frame on May 25, 2023, 07:02:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYELAu9hqdU
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: WLJ on February 05, 2024, 01:25:02 PM
Charles has cancer

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68208157
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: sumpnz on February 05, 2024, 03:54:46 PM
Skipping Charles wouldn't have just caused a rift in the family.

It would have caused a Constitutional crisis that likely would have brought the monarchy down. Literally.

There's a mechanism for a reigning monarch to abdicate, which is what Edward VIII did. But there's no mechanism for a reigning monarch to skip over the next hereditary heir to designate someone else to be monarch.

Well, there is mechanism for ensuring certain individuals don't ever ascend to the throne ...
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: 230RN on February 05, 2024, 06:27:50 PM


So I was looking for "kingicide" or pretendercide" and this came up.  I never knew there were that many 'cides.

Killing of family
Avunculicide – the act of killing an uncle (Latin: avunculus "(maternal) uncle").
Familicide – is a multiple-victim homicide where a killer's spouse and children are slain (Latin: familia "family").
Filicide – the act of a parent killing their child (Latin: filius "son" and Latin: filia "daughter").
Fratricide – the act of killing a brother (Latin: frater "brother"); also, in military context, death by friendly fire.
Geronticide – the abandonment of the elderly to die, die by suicide or be killed.
Honour killing – the act of murdering a family member perceived to have brought disgrace to the family.
Infanticide – the act of killing a child within the first year of its life.
Mariticide – the act of killing one's husband (Latin: maritus "husband").
Matricide – the act of killing one's mother (Latin: mater "mother").
Neonaticide – the act of killing an infant within the first twenty-four hours or month (varies by individual and jurisdiction) of its life.
Nepoticide – the act of killing one's nephew.
Parricide or parenticide – the killing of one's mother, father, or other close relative.
Patricide – the act of killing of one's father (Latin: pater "father").
Prolicide – the act of killing one's own children.
Senicide – the killing of one's elderly family members when they can no longer work or they have become a burden (Latin: senex "old man").
Siblicide – the killing of an infant individual by their close relatives (full or half siblings).
Sororicide – the act of killing one's sister (Latin: soror "sister").
Uxoricide – the act of killing one's wife (Latin: uxor "wife").
Killing of others
Amicicide – the act of killing a friend (Latin: amicus "friend").
Androcide – the systematic killing of men.
Assassination – the act of killing a prominent person for either political, religious, or monetary reasons.
Capital punishment – the judicial killing of a human being for crimes.
Casualty – death (or injury) in wartime.
Collateral damage – deaths during wartime due to imprecise or incorrect targeting or friendly fire.
Democide or populicide – the murder of any person or people by a government.
Extrajudicial killing – killing by government forces without due process. See also Targeted killing.
Euthanasia or mercy killing – the killing of any being with compassionate reasoning; e.g., significant injury or disease.
Familiaricide in commutatione eius possessio – the act of killing a family for their property and/or possessions (from Latin: familiaris "of a household"; in commutatione eius "in exchange for"; and possessio "a possession or property").
Femicide, gynecide, gynaecide, or gynocide – the systematic killing of women.
Feticide – the killing of an embryo or fetus.
Fragging - the act of killing a fellow soldier.
Gendercide – the systematic killing of members of a specific sex or gender.
Genocide – the systematic extermination of an entire national, racial, religious, or ethnic group.
Homicide – the act of killing of a person (Latin: homo "man").
Justifiable homicide – a defense to culpable homicide (criminal or negligent homicide).
Human sacrifice – the killing of a human for sacrificial, often religious, reasons.
Massacre, mass murder or spree killing – the killing of many people.
Murder – the malicious and unlawful killing of a human by another human.
Manslaughter – murder, but under legally mitigating circumstances.
Omnicide – the act of killing all humans, to create intentional extinction of the human species (Latin: omni "all, everyone").
Pedicide – the act of killing children.
Senicide or geronticide – the act of killing an elderly person.
Targeted killing – a form of assassination which is carried out by governments against their perceived enemies. See also Extrajudicial killing.
Xenocide – the genocide of an entire alien species. Often used in science fiction, one famous example being the novel Xenocide by Orson Scott Card.
Killing of superiors
Deicide – killing a god, divine being, or deity.
Papicide – killing of a pope (Ancient Greek: πάππας (páppas) "father").[1]
Regicide – killing a ruler, a King/Queen (Latin: rex, gen. regis "king").
Tyrannicide – killing a tyrant.
Killing of animals, disease, and pests
Algaecide – a chemical agent that kills algae.
Acaricide – a chemical agent that kills mites.
Avicide – a chemical agent that kills birds.
Bactericide – a chemical agent that kills bacteria.
Biocide – a chemical agent that kills a broad spectrum of living organisms.
Fungicide – chemical agents or biological organisms used to kill or inhibit fungi or fungal spores.
Germicide – an agent that kills germs, especially pathogenic microorganisms; a disinfectant.
Herbicide – an agent that kills unwanted plants, a weed killer.
Insecticide – an agent that kills unwanted insects.
Larvicide (also larvacide) – an insecticide targeted against the larval life stage of an insect.
Microbicide – an agent used to kill or reduce the infectiousness of microorganisms.
Miticide – a chemical to kill mites.
Nemacide (also nematicide, nematocide) – a chemical to eradicate or kill nematodes.
Parasiticide – a general term to describe an agent used to destroy parasites.
Pediculicide – an agent that kills head lice.
Pesticide – a general term to describe an agent used to destroy or repel a pest.
Rodenticide - an agent that kills rodents (especially rats and mice).
Scabicide – a chemical agent for killing scabies.
Spermicide – a contraceptive agent to render sperm inert and prevent fertilization.
Teniacide (also taeniacide, tenicide) – a chemical agent that kills tape worms.
Theriocide – the act of killing an animal by a human (Ancient Greek: therion "wild animal, beast").
Vermicide – an agent used to kill parasitic intestinal worms.
Virucide (also viricide) – an agent capable of destroying or inhibiting viruses.
Vulpicide (also vulpecide) – the killing of a fox by methods other than by hunting it with hounds.
Killing of intangibles or inanimates
Ecocide – the destruction of the natural environment by such activity as war, overexploitation of resources, or pollution.
Famacide, defamation, or slander – the killing of another's reputation.
Linguicide – intentionally causing the death of a language.
Epistemicide – the systematic extermination of an entire knowledge system or intellectual heritage of a group, society or people.
Mundicide – the destruction of a planet (mundus is Latin for "world").
Urbicide – the destruction of a city or the stifling of urbanisation (urbs is Latin for "city").
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: 230RN on February 05, 2024, 07:06:45 PM
I was going to add that they should include a couple like "robbericide" and "crookicide" and "childmolestericide," but ran into that damned Server Error message again.

I added "robbericide" and "crookicide" and "childmolestericide" to my Dictionary in case I wanted to use them again.

I also wanted to point out "mundicide" to RoadKingLarry.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: Long Live The Queen
Post by: RoadKingLarry on February 05, 2024, 07:53:36 PM
I was going to add that they should include a couple like "robbericide" and "crookicide" and "childmolestericide," but ran into that damned Server Error message again.

I added "robbericide" and "crookicide" and "childmolestericide" to my Dictionary in case I wanted to use them again.

I also wanted to point out "mundicide" to RoadKingLarry.

Terry, 230RN


I also wanted to point out "mundicide" to RoadKingLarry.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: