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Title: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 16, 2022, 06:45:59 PM
Pretty simple, I walked into a gun store today to take possession of a gun.  I have paid for it, and paid the transfer and background check fees (Oregon).

The electronic application for the "instant" criminal check is submitted.  And this is where I am told that I will have to wait a couple weeks as the OSP is "backlogged" by over 3,500 applications. 

I have not been denied or delayed, my background check simply has not been initiated yet and apparently will not be initiated for some time.

This clearly violates Oregon law which stipulates that the OSP has to respond immediately and provide a determination within 30 minutes.  If they do not the firearm is to be released 3 business days following.

The gun store is refusing to actually follow the state law for release after three days (I asked, and they told me to pound sand) due to "liability," aka OSP or the ATF will shut them down if they don't play along with the obstruction.

I've already left messages (and yeah, I don't expect responses from most of em) with OSP, the OSP FISC unit manager, my state senator and congresswoman, the OFF, and Steven Stamboulieh.  OFF already responded and the news from them is pretty grim; BLUF we have zero friends in any positions of power and it seems that the OSP is dragging their feet in the interest of some upcoming legislation.

https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_166.412 (https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_166.412)
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(3)(a) Upon receipt of a request of the gun dealer for a criminal history record check, the department shall immediately, during the gun dealer’s telephone call or by return call:
(A)Determine, from criminal records and other information available to it, whether the purchaser is disqualified under ORS 166.470 (Limitations and conditions for sales of firearms) from completing the purchase; and
(B)Notify the gun dealer when a purchaser is disqualified from completing the transfer or provide the gun dealer with a unique approval number indicating that the purchaser is qualified to complete the transfer.
(b)If the department is unable to determine if the purchaser is qualified or disqualified from completing the transfer within 30 minutes, the department shall notify the gun dealer and provide the gun dealer with an estimate of the time when the department will provide the requested information.
(c)If the department fails to provide a unique approval number to a gun dealer or to notify the gun dealer that the purchaser is disqualified under paragraph (a) of this subsection before the close of the gun dealer’s next business day following the request by the gun dealer for a criminal history record check, the gun dealer may deliver the firearm to the purchaser.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: Ben on September 16, 2022, 06:48:44 PM
Man, that sucks. I was unaware that Oregon does (unless I'm reading wrong) a separate background check from NICS. How long has that been going on?
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 16, 2022, 06:52:43 PM
Man, that sucks. I was unaware that Oregon does (unless I'm reading wrong) a separate background check from NICS. How long has that been going on?

Forever it seems.

And in 2015 they banned private transfers, and now they're slow walking FFL transfers, and from what I hear they're going after everything via this:

https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_114,_Changes_to_Firearm_Ownership_and_Purchase_Requirements_Initiative_(2022) (https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_114,_Changes_to_Firearm_Ownership_and_Purchase_Requirements_Initiative_(2022))
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: dogmush on September 16, 2022, 06:53:47 PM
Maybe reach out to Washington Gun Law on Youtube.  They would probably, at minimum, make some noise and cause the OSP some heartburn, and they might know a lawyer (or be a lawyer) licensed in Oregon that might want to throw a suit at it.

If you can get a couple folks to lawyer up and throw a suit at them they might pay attention.  They probably don't want to go through discovery on their emails over something like this.  There's also the old deprivation of civil rights under the color of law, which allows for damages against an individual, if you can pin this policy on someone.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: HankB on September 16, 2022, 09:13:21 PM
. . .
The gun store is refusing to actually follow the state law for release after three days . . .
If you're sure this is truly a violation of the law in your state, file a police report, making a formal complaint. (Theft by swindle?) Don't forget to report them to the BBB.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: cordex on September 16, 2022, 10:19:20 PM
If you're sure this is truly a violation of the law in your state, file a police report, making a formal complaint. (Theft by swindle?) Don't forget to report them to the BBB.
It isn’t a violation.
May vs Shall.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 17, 2022, 04:53:55 AM
If you're sure this is truly a violation of the law in your state, file a police report, making a formal complaint. (Theft by swindle?) Don't forget to report them to the BBB.

The business is not in violation.  The OSP is violating the timeliness requirements and extorting the business into not exercising the protective law that exists to prevent this very thing; delays in the background check system depriving people of civil rights.

OSP has told gun stores they will be "liable" if they release a firearm after waiting the required time.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: MillCreek on September 17, 2022, 08:31:10 AM
Huh. An example where Oregon is more sucky than Washington in terms of transfers.  At least here, the additional background check is done by your city police or county sheriff, not the state patrol or other state agency.  I am in the unincorporated county, and the sheriff is pretty good about completing the checks usually less than the ten day period provided by state law.  Theoretically, if the LGS does not hear back after ten days, they can release the firearm, but almost no LGS does so due to 'liability', which I suspect is actually a requirement of their insurance company.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: Ben on September 17, 2022, 08:39:57 AM
Theoretically, if the LGS does not hear back after ten days, they can release the firearm, but almost no LGS does so due to 'liability', which I suspect is actually a requirement of their insurance company.

I find this to be a troubling and dangerous trend. Follow the law, and you're still "liable" for something yet to be named.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: MillCreek on September 17, 2022, 11:45:25 AM
We talk a lot about various laws and regulations as business constraints, but people would be surprised to hear how many business practices are the result of insurance requirements.  As a risk manager, I have been working in insurance and liability for almost 40 years now, and for some areas of business or professional practice, what is covered and what is not covered by your insurance is a prime factor in how you conduct your business or profession.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: Pb on September 17, 2022, 04:56:43 PM
Can you find a gun store that will release guns in a timely manner when the check is delayed?
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: Ben on September 17, 2022, 05:06:34 PM
Can you find a gun store that will release guns in a timely manner when the check is delayed?

That doesn't really help him get the current gun that he already paid for out of jail.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: sumpnz on September 18, 2022, 12:40:20 AM
Can you find a gun store that will release guns in a timely manner when the check is delayed?

If he went to Idaho, most likely yes.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: JTHunter on September 18, 2022, 10:55:07 PM
This sounds very similar to what the IL-ANNOY state police are doing with both the FOID cards and the concealed carry permits.  Some people have waited as long as 15 months before they get their cards/permits.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: WLJ on September 19, 2022, 09:14:54 AM
It's a feature not a bug.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: lee n. field on September 19, 2022, 09:47:53 AM
This sounds very similar to what the IL-ANNOY state police are doing with both the FOID cards and the concealed carry permits.  Some people have waited as long as 15 months before they get their cards/permits.

Are they still?  Word I saw was that that was fixed. 
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 20, 2022, 06:57:29 PM
I am currently #23xx of 39xx people having their rights delayed.  The gun store continues to be cowed into not exercising the legal protections against this behavior being committed the OSP.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: BobR on September 20, 2022, 07:11:57 PM
What sucks here in NV is the private party transfer under the current law. A person has to go to the LGS, give them a nominal fee, usually 25 bucks, fill out the 4473 and wait until the lines at the state background check are able to be called and answered and you can then go get your gun.

If I go in and buy a gun at the LGS and show my CCW I get to take the gun with me right then.

Of course if you choose to not follow what many consider to be an unconstitutional law you can meet anywhere at anytime and exchange what ever you want for guns.

I feel for you guys in OR. It was much like living in eastern WA, still having to follow the laws mostly the result of the dipshits on the west side.

bob
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 20, 2022, 07:19:04 PM
What sucks here in NV is the private party transfer under the current law. A person has to go to the LGS, give them a nonminal fee, usually 25 bucks, fill out the 4473 and wait until the lines at the state background check are able to be called and answered and you can then go get your gun. They W, it is that way.

If I go in and buy a gun at the LGS and show my CCW I get to take the gun with me right then.

Of course if you choose to not follow what many consider to be an unconstitutional law you can meet anywhere at anytime and exchange what ever you want for guns.

I feel for you guys in OR. It was much like living in eastern WA, still having to follow the laws mostly the result of the dipshits on the west side.

bob

That was instituted here in 2015.  As predicted, fuckery with the FFL background check system has commenced.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 21, 2022, 07:44:28 PM
And today I am number 2724 out of 4124.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: dogmush on September 22, 2022, 09:59:29 AM
And today I am number 2724 out of 4124.

How did your number get higher?  Is there a cool people express lane that is getting in front of you?

Also, I reiterate: Sue them.  Might be class action at this point.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 22, 2022, 06:17:06 PM
How did your number get higher?  Is there a cool people express lane that is getting in front of you?

Also, I reiterate: Sue them.  Might be class action at this point.

I probably misheard the hundreds when I called them that day and asked.  And speaking of, let me give them a ring today... #2466 of 4071.

ETA: and yes you can cut in line if you have a carry permit.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 23, 2022, 06:52:23 PM
State representatives office called me back.  Exchanged some information and they will be contacting the OSP and a follow up with myself.

Learned from them this "liability" thing is the insurance companies adding a stipulation that gun stores do not exercise the 3 day legal protection.  Questionable legality, certainly immoral and unethical.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 23, 2022, 06:54:24 PM
#2,188 of 4,144
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: BobR on September 23, 2022, 10:14:37 PM
At least my private party transfer went as well as could be expected for an oppressive unconstitutional law.

Met at 1100, had the 4473 done by 1105. Was told I was number nine of the next batch of ten to be called in. They can only clear 10 at a time per call. Got the text it was clear about 1430 and went and picked it up. Normally it can be a 2-3 day wait so I just plan on another trip to LV to pick things up.

As much as I hate doing the BG checks on a private party deal this time it was a gun I have been looking for and the price was very, very good. Sometimes you have to bend over and comply. :(

bob
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: MillCreek on September 23, 2022, 10:38:23 PM
State representatives office called me back.  Exchanged some information and they will be contacting the OSP and a follow up with myself.

Learned from them this "liability" thing is the insurance companies adding a stipulation that gun stores do not exercise the 3 day legal protection.  Questionable legality, certainly immoral and unethical.

So I was correct on the insurance issue.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: JTHunter on September 23, 2022, 11:40:18 PM
Are they still?  Word I saw was that that was fixed.

It is better than it was 2-3 years ago but they are STILL taking longer than they are allowed (30 bus. days) for first time applicants.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 24, 2022, 07:42:57 PM
#1,887 of 4,199
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 24, 2022, 10:34:54 PM
Dang.
That kind of crap makes me truly appreciate living in a (mostly) free state.
Usually takes me longer to fill out my permission request than it does for the dealer to run it and get approval back.
No such infringement attached to private transfers.

Last private purchase I made was actually at my hometown gun store. I had let the owner know I was looking for a Blackhawk in .45 Colt. After almost 2 years of looking some fellow came in looking to sell an excellent condition convertible .45 w/ 5.5" barrel. (Came with 2 boxes of Hornady XTP ammo and 2 extra grips) Gun store called me and 30 minutes later I was home with my "new" gun. $800 for the gun and $50 for the store owner as a finder fee.

Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 25, 2022, 01:00:55 AM
The gun store is closed Sunday and Monday so no more position updates until Tuesday.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 28, 2022, 01:39:36 PM
#751 of 3752
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 29, 2022, 07:02:39 PM
#330 of 3,744.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: MechAg94 on September 29, 2022, 07:27:57 PM
I ordered a rifle last weekend.  It arrived at my dealer today.  I have it in my house now. 

My God help us if Texas ever turns blue. 
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on September 30, 2022, 06:55:06 PM
#51 of 3,829
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: Boomhauer on September 30, 2022, 07:22:03 PM
I ordered a rifle last weekend.  It arrived at my dealer today.  I have it in my house now. 

My God help us if Texas ever turns blue. 

With the extremely heavy influx of Californians into the big cities how likely do you think it is?
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on October 01, 2022, 02:02:41 PM
And OSP finally returned an answer: delayed, no reason or timeliness given.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: MechAg94 on October 02, 2022, 08:27:44 PM
With the extremely heavy influx of Californians into the big cities how likely do you think it is?
I have heard people say in the past that the Californians moving to Texas run a slight majority toward Not voting Democrat.  The same survey said most of the new Democrats in Texas were 2nd and 3rd generation Hispanic immigrants.  That was a few years back so things might have changed. 

Mainly, I don't know.  We will see how this election looks.  With the Trump factor in the picture less, it will be interesting how this election turns out.  I have heard Hispanics have been leaving the Democrat umbrella lately and Texas still held a slim R majority in 2020.  X factor is Beto and Democrats are spending a great deal of money, but they have done that before. 
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on October 04, 2022, 02:56:50 PM
Called the challenge line yesterday st 1100 and left my information per the instructions.  No response yet and still flagged as delayed.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on October 07, 2022, 01:14:50 PM
Still no reply from the phone message so now I've sent an email as well.  Consider this a log entry for any future subpoenas.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: sumpnz on October 07, 2022, 02:19:13 PM
Remind me why you can’t just get the gun?  At least it used to be that a delayed NICS check allowed you to take possession after something like 3 or 5 days if there simply no response.  Is it an Oregon law, insurance company restrictions, or what?
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 07, 2022, 02:28:06 PM
Remind me why you can’t just get the gun?  At least it used to be that a delayed NICS check allowed you to take possession after something like 3 or 5 days if there simply no response.  Is it an Oregon law, insurance company restrictions, or what?

IICR, it was store policy.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on October 11, 2022, 10:39:28 PM
Day 26 and still no gun.  Also radio silence from the OSP.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on October 11, 2022, 10:41:58 PM
IICR, it was store policy.

I keep hearing three stories: the OSP tells them they'll be "liable", the ATF insinuates they will find a reason to revoke their FFL, and the insurance company adding a stipulation.

Wouldn't surprise me if all three are true as there really is a clear effort to destroy civil rights.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on October 17, 2022, 11:11:18 AM
And another email (third attempt at contact) sent to the Oregon State Police, and a second call to my state representative's office.

Welcome to *expletive deleted*ing democracy where inalienable rights that shall not be infringed are really just privileges of the state.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: Blakenzy on October 17, 2022, 02:23:32 PM
This is what "reasonable" anti-gun laws do in practice, they never sound too troublesome on paper. If you're not a criminal what do you have to fear?

Just wait till they defund the bureaucracy in charge of processing the background checks  :lol:
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on October 17, 2022, 03:33:21 PM
This is what "reasonable" anti-gun laws do in practice, they never sound too troublesome on paper. If you're not a criminal what do you have to fear?

Just wait till they defund the bureaucracy in charge of processing the background checks  :lol:

Operating exactly as intended.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: Ben on October 18, 2022, 07:58:16 AM
Sorry kgb - more bad news:

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/10/oregon-gun-control-measure-114-attracts-national-attention-as-one-of-strictest-in-us.html

Ten years ago you couldn't have convinced me that Oregon would be worse than California, but they are really upping their game in the Portland metro.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: WLJ on October 18, 2022, 08:11:50 AM
Sorry kgb - more bad news:

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/10/oregon-gun-control-measure-114-attracts-national-attention-as-one-of-strictest-in-us.html

Ten years ago you couldn't have convinced me that Oregon would be worse than California, but they are really upping their game in the Portland metro.

From article

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Under Measure 114, anyone who wants to buy a gun would have to obtain a permit, pay an anticipated fee of $65, complete an approved firearms safety course at their own expense, submit a photo ID, be fingerprinted and pass a criminal background check.

I say someone in OR should propose a bill that says

anyone who wants to vote would have to obtain a permit, pay an anticipated fee of $65, complete an approved history course at their own expense, submit a photo ID, be fingerprinted and pass a criminal background check.

Oh how they would howl
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: MillCreek on October 18, 2022, 09:16:21 AM
 :'(  If Oregon passes this, look for something similar in Washington to follow.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: Ben on October 18, 2022, 10:59:16 AM
:'(  If Oregon passes this, look for something similar in Washington to follow.

I'm wondering what it will mean for people who pass through Oregon. I have a non-resident permit. I'll assume at the very least, I'll need to have a couple of "Oregon magazines" and then remember to use them when I go there. I'll probably need to pick an "Oregon gun" as well, because I'm not buying a bunch of ten round magazines just to comply with their stupid law. I might just need to make a 1911 an "Oregon gun" the way I've made a 1911 my "California gun" when I've had to go there.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: Angel Eyes on October 18, 2022, 04:14:59 PM
I'm wondering what it will mean for people who pass through Oregon. I have a non-resident permit. I'll assume at the very least, I'll need to have a couple of "Oregon magazines" and then remember to use them when I go there. I'll probably need to pick an "Oregon gun" as well, because I'm not buying a bunch of ten round magazines just to comply with their stupid law. I might just need to make a 1911 an "Oregon gun" the way I've made a 1911 my "California gun" when I've had to go there.

Just speculating, but since the proposed ban is on the sale/transfer of normal-size mags and not on possession, it shouldn't affect travel through Oregon.  You won't be able to buy a gun in Oregon unless you get the permit, but why would an Idaho resident want to?

Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on October 21, 2022, 09:18:39 PM
And OSP just contacted me by phone. 

BLUF: I am having my rights infringed just because I was arrested 2 years ago.  Not because I was convicted; I showed up to court and I wasn't even on the docket, dismissed without stepping foot in court.

To paraphrase "the DA hasn't sent us the super special permission slip 2 years ago saying you can have your rights back yet so that's why you've been infringed on for over a month and now you get to wait for that to happen."
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: Blakenzy on October 21, 2022, 09:31:11 PM
That's kind of like the whole idea behind "red flag" laws. You get flagged by some bureaucrat and bye bye Rights forever and ever and ever until they arbitrarily decide to give you permission again.

Reeesonable gun laws
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: sumpnz on October 22, 2022, 07:44:26 AM
And OSP just contacted me by phone. 

BLUF: I am having my rights infringed just because I was arrested 2 years ago.  Not because I was convicted; I showed up to court and I wasn't even on the docket, dismissed without stepping foot in court.

To paraphrase "the DA hasn't sent us the super special permission slip 2 years ago saying you can have your rights back yet so that's why you've been infringed on for over a month and now you get to wait for that to happen."

Curious about the arrest story.  If you told it here previously a link to the thread would be great.

So I assume you are now preparing for a petition for redress of your grievances?
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: RocketMan on October 22, 2022, 09:23:22 AM
This makes me wonder if OSP might show up at your door some day demanding you turn over any other firearms you own.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on October 22, 2022, 11:15:32 AM
Curious about the arrest story.  If you told it here previously a link to the thread would be great.

So I assume you are now preparing for a petition for redress of your grievances?

Short story psychopathic ex (who was thrown out of my house by deputies via my initial RO) lies to obtain a restraining order and then lies about my breaking it and I get arrested promptly only for the DA to deepsix the charges without telling anyone and I show up at court only to not be on the docket.  And evidently I've been on Double Secret Gun Probation the entire time since.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on October 22, 2022, 11:19:27 AM
Oh I forgot to log that on the 20th, Thursday, the state reps office called me back.  They reported they had also basically been getting ignored by the OSP when they tried contacting them as well.  Ell oh ell.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: MillCreek on October 22, 2022, 12:43:08 PM
^^^I hope you are not caught up in the various domestic violence prohibitions. I would think not without an actual conviction.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: WLJ on October 22, 2022, 12:46:48 PM
Short story psychopathic ex (who was thrown out of my house by deputies via my initial RO) lies to obtain a restraining order and then lies about my breaking it and I get arrested promptly only for the DA to deepsix the charges without telling anyone and I show up at court only to not be on the docket.  And evidently I've been on Double Secret Gun Probation the entire time since.

They Kavanaughed you
You now have to prove your innocence
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on October 24, 2022, 03:16:07 PM
And drove down to the court house and visited the DA's office.  "That's strange, don't know why it didn't get sent" was the answer on why the No File paperwork was not forwarded to the OSP as per normal.  Anyways, now I'm waiting for them to send the paperwork to me, so I can forward it on to the OSP.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: MillCreek on October 24, 2022, 03:50:27 PM
^^^I hope that sending it along to the OSP means that they will update the computer records, so you don't have to go through this again every time you purchase a firearm.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on November 10, 2022, 05:55:38 PM
Still zero response from OSP.  Looks like they've successfully dragged out my September 16th "Instant Background Check" until after this unconstitutional legislation was pushed through.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: MillCreek on November 10, 2022, 06:03:43 PM
Oh crap, I just looked at the latest data, and it looks as if Measure 114 is passing.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: Ben on November 14, 2022, 11:08:06 AM
I just watched a Mrgunsngear video where he showed documentation that included, "Dec 7 will be the last day to purchase a firearm without a firearms permit. If the OSP background check is delayed and goes into the "OPS que", the purchaser will be required to obtain a permit before picking up the firearm. Bit of a vicious circle there.

The document is at 1:35

https://youtu.be/yT97tz84WhQ
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: WLJ on November 14, 2022, 11:16:05 AM
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Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on November 16, 2022, 02:56:34 PM
It has 10 business days since the DA sent OSP the paperwork OSP demanded.  Still no response.  Another email sent.  Contacted the gun store and learned the "instant" background check wait list is now in excess of 13,000 people having their rights actively infringed.  This number doesn't include people in delay limbo like myself, only those waiting for the initial NICS request.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: MechAg94 on November 21, 2022, 10:13:41 PM
State Police Swamped as Oregonians Buy All The Guns They Can Ahead of 114 Effective Date
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/state-police-swamped-as-oregonians-buy-all-the-guns-they-can-ahead-of-114-effective-date/

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Barnes spoke to The Oregonian/OregonLive this week as he was processing a prospective gun buyer at his pawn shop and telling the customer, who has a concealed handgun license, that he was No. 2,182 in line on the state police list for a firearms background check.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on November 29, 2022, 05:44:24 PM
Still delayed.  Been a full month since the DA sent them the paperwork.

Meanwhile the "instant check" line is now over 28,000 people.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on November 29, 2022, 05:45:33 PM
State Police Swamped as Oregonians Buy All The Guns They Can Ahead of 114 Effective Date
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/state-police-swamped-as-oregonians-buy-all-the-guns-they-can-ahead-of-114-effective-date/

They were already not doing their *expletive deleted*ing job.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 29, 2022, 07:48:15 PM
When is the protest march at the state capitol?
Silence gives consent.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: tokugawa on November 29, 2022, 08:44:32 PM
Hmmm.    https://www.ammoland.com/2022/11/law-banning-gun-possession-due-to-restraining-order-is-unconstitutional/#axzz7m4tPxmy6
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: Pb on November 29, 2022, 10:06:02 PM
Great news!

I am afraid it will be swiftly overturned though.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 01, 2022, 06:25:58 PM
Well, stuff went sideways with the gun store.

So being 6 weeks since I complied with everything asked of me and with 1 week until transfers stop I once again asked the store to transfer the gun as they are legally able to.  They refused so I instructed them to send the gun to another store, last night.  I also asked for a refund on the transfer fee as they have patently not completed any transfer.  This resulted in the clerk first agreeing to the refund and sending the gun.  Then a manager reversed this and told me I wasn't getting anything "because they syarted the 4473" and they wouldn't send the gun anywhere else unless I paid more for it.

Well fast forward to this morning and I had a very unpleasant conversation with the store owner.  He admitted openly he could transfer me the gun but wouldn't because he "doesn't think i deserve a gun" after "how I acted last night." He tried gas lighting me, falsely claiming costs, etc.  In the end he agreed to send the gun (still hasn't shipped yet, label created) at his cost.

I'm glad Oregon is a one party consent state as I think this conversation will help somewhat when I sue them.

At this point between the OSP malfeasance and this bootlicking shop owner I no longer have the potential to get my P226, the replacement for my stolen gun.

There is not enough calendar time to get the gun sent to a friendly FFL that will exercise the 3 day protection against this tyrrany. 

At this point I can literally only make a P226 frame if I want one.  To say I feel robbed a second time is a bit of an understatement.  The store wasted months of my time and cost me my opportunity to get the replacement P226, and with the owners own overt statement that sure he could have done the transfer (which i have paid for) but chose not to moves the whole transaction into bad faith territory.

Had I known the store would have acted this way I never would have employed them for the transfer.  As such I feel justified in asking a judge for the following:

Because I never would have used their business-
Cost of shipping the gun to the store.
Transfer Fee.
Cost of shipping the gun somewhere else (tentatively covered).

Because they deprived me of my opportunity to get this before the 8th-
Cost of sourcing a P226 80% frame.
Cost of sourcing necessary tooling to finish the frame.
Cost of my time as a gunsmith to perform the work.


P.S.: The owner plans to subsist on machine gun rentals and accessory sales after the 8th.  They don't believe they will ever be shutdown by the liberals.  His own words.

P.P.S.: I've owned the gun the entire time this guy has been choosing to not transfer it.  Should I demand rent for the gun the same way he rents guns to people?
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: HeroHog on December 01, 2022, 07:31:31 PM
P.P.S.: I've owned the gun the entire time this guy has been choosing to not transfer it.  Should I demand rent for the gun the same way he rents guns to people?

I would, but that's just me.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 01, 2022, 07:33:36 PM
I would, but that's just me.

I have no idea what a reasonable charge would be.  I'd want to pin it to whatever he rents the same gun for in the range.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: MechAg94 on December 01, 2022, 09:10:12 PM
I wouldn't mention the 80% stuff in court.  Not sure what reaction that would get.  Maybe cost of complying with the new law.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: sumpnz on December 01, 2022, 09:15:06 PM
I wouldn't mention the 80% stuff in court.  Not sure what reaction that would get.  Maybe cost of complying with the new law.

Relocation to Idaho.  If you own a home in OR that gets really expensive.  Even if you rent it’s still not cheap.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: WLJ on December 02, 2022, 10:10:48 AM
Notice on Kentucky Gun Co's website

"Due to new legislation, shipping of firearms to Oregon will be suspended until further notice."
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 02, 2022, 03:14:12 PM
Relocation to Idaho.  If you own a home in OR that gets really expensive.  Even if you rent it’s still not cheap.

Relocation to Montana has been in the works since 2019.  However the total cost to move has gone from $2,000 to $10,000.  Just truck and fuel.  Relocation is not yet feasible.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: sumpnz on December 02, 2022, 03:21:36 PM
What part of MT?  One friend recently moved to Helena.  Another is looking hard at the area around Kalispell.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: cordex on December 02, 2022, 03:33:11 PM
I've got a friend buying some land about an hour west of Kalispell near Happys Inn.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 02, 2022, 05:15:49 PM
Looking at Three Forks.  Friends there.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: BobR on December 02, 2022, 06:26:37 PM
What part of MT?  One friend recently moved to Helena.  Another is looking hard at the area around Kalispell.

Well, if you have to pick a more liberal part of Montana they are looking at 2 of the 4 most liberal places. Kalispell is probably behind Helena, Billings and Missoula but not by much.

bob
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: sumpnz on December 02, 2022, 08:41:45 PM
Well, if you have to pick a more liberal part of Montana they are looking at 2 of the 4 most liberal places. Kalispell is probably behind Helena, Billings and Missoula but not by much.

bob

The guy looking around Kalispell is more after geography/climate than local politics.  But he hasn’t bought anything yet.

The other guy that moved to Helena moved to where family is located.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 03, 2022, 12:33:19 PM
Well now even making a frame is no longer an option.

I guess I should just sue for the value of the gun at this point, despite the fact that I own it still and have half the parts here with me.  I will never be able to have all my property nor make any use of it until I leave this forlorn state.  Nor can I sell it for what I paid for it.  Same goes for the accessories and parts I purchased.  About $1,200 tied up in what is now useless junk.

ETA:

Self summary for changes to lawsuit... Now should be...

Breach of contract.
Loss of opportunity.
Loss of utility and possession of property.

They failed to transfer when they were able to after being contracted and paid for that purpose, and then voiced that it was intentional.  They dragged the transfer out with full knowledge and repeated reminders of the looming deadline.  And I have nearly $1,200 in pistol and parts that I can never take home, make use of, or resell for same cost.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: Ben on December 05, 2022, 07:55:26 AM
The state says that their license system won't be fully in place until 2024. I would think that alone will win at least one of the lawsuits pertaining to infringement.

I'm not sure what these crowds of gun buyers are doing right now. None of them are getting their background check done before the 8th.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/firearm-sales-explode-oregon-awaits-judges-decision-gun-control-law
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: sumpnz on December 06, 2022, 02:16:15 PM
Federal judge delays permit implementation.  No delay on the rest of the infringements.

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/politics/federal-judge-ruling-oregon-measure-114/283-6725627f-dce7-474f-aac0-69be98924be2
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: Ben on December 06, 2022, 02:20:54 PM
Federal judge delays permit implementation.  No delay on the rest of the infringements.

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/politics/federal-judge-ruling-oregon-measure-114/283-6725627f-dce7-474f-aac0-69be98924be2

I guess that's good, but from the article, it sounds like she only did it because ORDOJ asked her to because they aren't ready, not because it requires constitutional review.

"The burden imposed on the Second Amendment is minimal".
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 06, 2022, 04:30:00 PM
I guess that's good, but from the article, it sounds like she only did it because ORDOJ asked her to because they aren't ready, not because it requires constitutional review.

"The burden imposed on the Second Amendment is minimal".

It isn't an infringement, it's just a minimal burden!

Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: WLJ on December 06, 2022, 04:31:18 PM
It isn't an infringement, it's just a minimal burden!

"It's only wafer-thin"
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 06, 2022, 04:52:36 PM
"It's only wafer-thin"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aczPDGC3f8U
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: dogmush on December 08, 2022, 10:11:04 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oregon-supreme-court-leaves-place-order-blocking-strict-new-gun-law

Looks like it's blocked until the court cases is finalized.  Can you get the jerk to transfer your frame to someone that will do transfer it to you while the lawyers are arguing?
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 08, 2022, 02:18:21 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oregon-supreme-court-leaves-place-order-blocking-strict-new-gun-law

Looks like it's blocked until the court cases is finalized.  Can you get the jerk to transfer your frame to someone that will do transfer it to you while the lawyers are arguing?

I will look around but I'm fairly sure I'm never doing business with that guy ever again.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 09, 2022, 05:52:44 PM
The frame is safely in my friend's hands out of state.. Oh and he forwarded this gem found in the gun case.

The dingleberry can't even do math: $60 transfer fee for a transfer that never happened, and $30 S&H.  Oh and too bad everyone in the gunshop who saw the note also got to hear the recording of the "big scene."  Absolutely none of them were complimentary towards the dingleberry.
Title: Re: Oregon State Police slow walking background checks for firearms
Post by: MechAg94 on December 10, 2022, 10:49:14 AM
Sounds like you are covering yourself pretty well.  Sucks to have that issue. 


My FFL dealer is about 30 minutes away from me.  There are dealers closer, but I like him as he has more radical views than me.   =)