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Title: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Bogie on November 20, 2022, 07:42:33 AM
There's already a militantly gay teacher (teaches "English" but the books read like "alternate sex ed") in my area who is blaming conservative media... Any idea yet who the attacker is?
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 20, 2022, 08:12:44 AM
Well apparently there was a shooting at a gay nightclub last night with 5 dead 18 injured. Shooter is in custody.

So far zip info on shooter or motive but the AP already knows who to blame

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A shooter opened fire in a gay nightclub late Saturday, killing five people and wounding 18 in the latest mass shooting to befall the country in a year in which anti-gay rhetoric has been amped up among extremists.
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Colorado Springs is a city of about 480,000 located about 70 miles (112 kilometers) south of Denver that is home to the U.S. Air Force Academy. The city has long been an epicenter of American evangelicalism. Focus on the Family, a prominent evangelical Christian ministry, is based in Colorado Springs.
5 Dead, 18 Injured in Colorado Springs Gay Nightclub Shooting
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/5-dead-18-injured-at-colorado-springs-gay-nightclub-shooting/


Multiple dead, several others injured in shooting at Colorado Springs club
https://www.foxnews.com/us/multiple-dead-several-others-injured-shooting-colorado-springs-club
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 20, 2022, 08:18:15 AM
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It is unclear how the suspect was injured, though early reports suggest the gunmen was subdued by patrons inside the club, which had been sponsoring a drag show earlier in the night. 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11449337/Five-dead-18-injured-gunman-opened-fire-inside-gay-club-Colorado-Springs.html
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Boomhauer on November 20, 2022, 08:25:57 AM
If it was “right wing extremists” the body count would be a lot higher.


They actually know how to shoot unlike the wind up toy soyboy betas the Feebs always groom/hire.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 20, 2022, 08:31:42 AM
IIRC the last two, could be more can't remember, such events were done by a Muslim shooter.
Be interesting see what the AP prints if that is the same in this case. Think they're actually say sorry, we knee jerked blamed the wrong people AGAIN?
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: K Frame on November 20, 2022, 08:37:42 AM
Even if it's a gay relationship gone wrong, it's still going to the fault of Donald Trump/NRA/Conservatives/Fox News.

Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 20, 2022, 08:42:22 AM
Waiting on someone to blame Elon for reinstating Trump.
I know someone will
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 20, 2022, 10:19:23 AM
And right on the heels of me posting the above

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    How many Americans will die because @elonmusk brought @realDonaldTrump back onto Twitter?

    — David Leavitt (@David_Leavitt) November 20, 2022
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    He's Back and every American who dies because of @realDonaldTrump being back on Twitter is @ElonMusk's fault pic.twitter.com/xiAQkvWeJX

    — David Leavitt (@David_Leavitt) November 20, 2022
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/11/20/target-loser-david-leavitt-owned-for-unhinged-rant-accusing-trumps-twitter-account-of-killing-people/
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 20, 2022, 10:37:12 AM
Suspect IDed
Man with the same name was involved in a bomb threat "with weapons" and a home made bomb in 2021.

https://heavy.com/news/anderson-lee-aldrich/
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Bogie on November 20, 2022, 12:09:56 PM
Is @comradealdrich still up on Instagram?
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 20, 2022, 12:32:36 PM
Reporting AR-15 "style" rifle.
The usual suspects are screaming for a ban

Colorado Springs gay club shooter, 22, used an AR-15-style rifle to kill FIVE and injure 18 before being taken down by patrons: Was on authorities radar after being arrested for a bomb threat last year
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11449337/Five-dead-18-injured-gunman-opened-fire-inside-gay-club-Colorado-Springs.html
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 20, 2022, 12:35:51 PM
Well apparently there was a shooting at a gay nightclub last night with 5 dead 18 injured. Shooter is in custody.

So far zip info on shooter or motive but the AP already knows who to blame
5 Dead, 18 Injured in Colorado Springs Gay Nightclub Shooting
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/5-dead-18-injured-at-colorado-springs-gay-nightclub-shooting/


Multiple dead, several others injured in shooting at Colorado Springs club
https://www.foxnews.com/us/multiple-dead-several-others-injured-shooting-colorado-springs-club

Nice how they pointed out that those scary Evangelicals are looming and lurking in the area. In civilized countries, you have to pass a background check before you can have hatey Christian hate-beliefs.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 20, 2022, 12:37:42 PM
Nice how they pointed out that those scary Evangelicals are looming and lurking in the area.

Got to get the sheep in fear of their lives, easier to herd them in the direction they want that way.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 20, 2022, 01:13:19 PM
Why is it that "aw-thaw-rih-tays" feel such a driving compulsion to make idiotic statements in the wake of events such as this?

From the original link (to the heavy article:

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Police Chief Adrian Vasquez said in a November 20, 2022, news conference that police are “working tirelessly” to make sure justice is achieved.

“Club Q is a safe haven for our LGBTQ citizens,” Vasquez said, adding that all citizens have a right to feel safe in Colorado Springs.

Chief Vasquez needs to appoint a communications officer, immediately. It boggles the mind that anyone could say -- immediately after two people were killed and 18 people were injured -- that the location is a "safe haven." The fact that he's making a statement proves conclusively that the Club Q is NOT a safe haven.

Dang!
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Bogie on November 20, 2022, 02:20:26 PM
Is @comradealdrich still up on Instagram?
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 20, 2022, 06:14:12 PM
Pelosi knows who to blame

Pelosi blames MAGA for Colorado gay club massacre: Points finger at Republicans for 'undermining the safety' of trans people after gunman, 22, killed FIVE... even though police have NOT confirmed it was a hate crime
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11450139/Nancy-Pelosi-lays-blame-MAGA-Republicans-Colorado-gay-nightclub-shooting.html
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Andiron on November 20, 2022, 06:54:20 PM
Oh no,  that's terrible..

 Do you think they still had the "all ages" brunch this morning?
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: lee n. field on November 20, 2022, 08:51:32 PM
Suspect IDed
Man with the same name was involved in a bomb threat "with weapons" and a home made bomb in 2021.

https://heavy.com/news/anderson-lee-aldrich/

Three names in the nooz report.  Got to be guilty.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Bogie on November 21, 2022, 08:27:52 AM
Any of the media post a photo of the guy yet? Is this him?

 
https://www.instagram.com/comradealdrich/?hl=en
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 21, 2022, 09:54:32 AM
OMG! The grandfather is a republican!

Basically the article is if your grandfather is Jewish MAGA you're Jewish MAGA

Grandfather of 'Colorado gay bar mass-shooter' is MAGA California lawmaker who hailed January 6 riots, as it's claimed 'killer' evaded red flag law despite threatening mom with bomb
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11451491/Grandfather-Colorado-gay-bar-mass-shooter-MAGA-California-lawmaker-hailed-January-6-riots.html
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 21, 2022, 02:43:57 PM
'I'm going to blow this place to holy hell!' Colorado gay club shooter is seen in 2021 bomb threat video before surrendering to cops at his mom's house - as he's charged with five counts of murder over Saturday's nightclub attack
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11453399/Video-shows-Colorado-gay-club-shooting-suspect-arrested-home-2021.html

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/21/17/64783725-11453399-image-m-68_1669051249786.jpg)
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: MillCreek on November 21, 2022, 03:04:10 PM
^^^Why does that picture say 'incel' to me.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 21, 2022, 08:29:57 PM
Reporting AR-15 "style" rifle.
The usual suspects are screaming for a ban

Colorado Springs gay club shooter, 22, used an AR-15-style rifle to kill FIVE and injure 18 before being taken down by patrons: Was on authorities radar after being arrested for a bomb threat last year
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11449337/Five-dead-18-injured-gunman-opened-fire-inside-gay-club-Colorado-Springs.html

Perhaps I need a new tin foil beanie, but I happened to notice that today (Monday) the AP article on this referred to the firearm not as an "assault weapon," not as an "AR-15-type" rifle, not even as a "military-style" rifle. They called it a "long gun."

I believe I have noticed this before, and it leaves me wondering if the left has given up on going after modern sporting rifles and have now set their sights on ALL rifles. (In for a penny, in for a pound.)
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 21, 2022, 10:21:24 PM
Perhaps I need a new tin foil beanie, but I happened to notice that today (Monday) the AP article on this referred to the firearm not as an "assault weapon," not as an "AR-15-type" rifle, not even as a "military-style" rifle. They called it a "long gun."

I believe I have noticed this before, and it leaves me wondering if the left has given up on going after modern sporting rifles and have now set their sights on ALL rifles. (In for a penny, in for a pound.)

I will again say "long gun" is a good term for journalists, because it's vague enough, even they will usually get it right. It's better than hearing them identify a bolt-action .22 as an AK.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Andiron on November 22, 2022, 12:40:02 AM
I will again say "long gun" is a good term for journalists, because it's vague enough, even they will usually usually get it right. It's better than hearing them identify a bolt-action .22 as an AK.

It's all been downhill since James Fenimore Cooper nicknamed Hawkeye "La Longue Carabine"
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 22, 2022, 10:56:45 AM
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Anderson Lee Aldrich, the man suspected of carrying out the massacre, was also a  heroin user who spoke openly about his addiction to opium

This is my shocked face

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His neighbor said that Aldrich attended a gun range with his mother, Laura Voepel, where 'rapid fire' was permitted 

OMG! Rapid fire was permitted!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11457269/Colorado-nightclub-shooter-use-gay-slurs-claims-neighbor.html
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 22, 2022, 10:59:25 AM
^^^Why does that picture say 'incel' to me.

I was thinking the same thing even before seeing the photo.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 22, 2022, 11:03:06 AM
I will again say "long gun" is a good term for journalists, because it's vague enough, even they will usually usually get it right. It's better than hearing them identify a bolt-action .22 as an AK.

Well, it makes it easier for "journalists" to not make errors of description -- but it also has the effect of teaching the beneral public that ALL "long guns" are evil.

On another note -- does anyone know if the Club Q was a "gun-free" zone? Obviously, it wasn't -- but did the shooter break any laws or house rules by bringing the gun into the club?
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: French G. on November 22, 2022, 11:34:33 AM
Personally waiting to find out he knew victims and they knew him because he was a regular.


I don’t know this but the fact that MSNBC doesn’t have a picture of him at a trump rally suggests it.

I went through an lgbt reddit about this and I think it is pretty hopeless. All conservatives want them dead in their world view. I want them to have all the rights I do.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 22, 2022, 01:26:49 PM
Well, it makes it easier for "journalists" to not make errors of description -- but it also has the effect of teaching the beneral public that ALL "long guns" are evil.


I don't think so. Calling out a particular class of long guns is more useful for propaganda purposes.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: 230RN on November 22, 2022, 02:23:30 PM
Yes, I've been hearing "long gun" on local news outlets recently, too.

I was ambivalent when I read about the recommendation to use the term "long gun" rather than any specific model or "assault rifle."

While it enhances accuracy where a specific model is unknown (in the sense of using "dog" instead of "cocker spaniel"), I wasn't sure of how it fit in to the Left's program of reshaping the language  for their own propaganda ends.

While Paranoia is my middle name in some folks' view, I'm not quite ready to say that the advertising impact of "long gun" is either negative or positive.

But I have a constant "what are they up to now?"  attitude about Leftists (Communists), so I'll wait and see how its advertising impact develops. You can call this "paranoia," but I call it "experience."

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: 230RN on November 22, 2022, 02:30:34 PM
...Double Post
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 22, 2022, 02:32:54 PM
Got a feeling it was a AR looking 22.
Getting it from reports of the wounded. Nothing concrete.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: dogmush on November 22, 2022, 02:38:49 PM
RE: "Long Gun".  Just wait till they discover AR Pistols......


On the caliber, I could buy that based on how many wounded vs. dead.  You'd thing a 5.56 mag dump in a crowded bar would be pretty dang fatal even with shitty marksmanship.  A rimfire would also lend credence to reports that the first several shots were not heard over the music.  .22LR is much quieter than 5.56.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 22, 2022, 02:42:50 PM
RE: "Long Gun".  Just wait till they discover AR Pistols......


On the caliber, I could buy that based on how many wounded vs. dead.  You'd thing a 5.56 mag dump in a crowded bar would be pretty dang fatal even with shitty marksmanship.  A rimfire would also lend credence to reports that the first several shots were not heard over the music.  .22LR is much quieter than 5.56.

Here's one example of what is making me think 22.
Guy is in the hospital talking about it. If it was 7 5.56s in the back...I don't think so. But weird stuff happens.

Barrett Hudson took seven bullets in the back but still escaped the Club Q shooting
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/11/21/club-q-shooting-survivor-barrett-hudson-seven-bullets-social-media/
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: 230RN on November 22, 2022, 02:53:36 PM
In this case of mass shooting, my rather Darwinian attitude comes into play again.  Give everyone a gun and let the aholes get filtered out of the gene pool by righteous citizens sooner or later.

I call it my "Billy The Kid Theory."  Yeah, he killed a lot of people, but after he was shot at the age of 22, there were no more from that cause.

Ever.

My general principle is that the dangers of infringing on 2A are far greater than the dangers of observing it 100%.

The inventors of our country weren't dummies, even though Darwin hadn't even been born yet.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 22, 2022, 03:14:58 PM
In this case of mass shooting, my rather Darwinian attitude comes into play again.  Give everyone a gun and let the aholes get filtered out of the gene pool by righteous citizens sooner or later.

I call it my "Billy The Kid Theory."  Yeah, he killed a lot of people, but after he was shot at the age of 22, there were no more from that cause.

Ever.
My general principle is that the dangers of infringing on 2A are far greater than the dangers of observing it 100%.

The inventors of our country weren't dummies, even though Darwin hadn't even been born yet.[/b]

Terry, 230RN


The world still had gravity before Isaac Newton was born too.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Bogie on November 22, 2022, 06:43:51 PM
Yeah, I'm sort of guessing that he was a known patron...
 
The good thing is that the average nutjob guys the magic gun, and then knowing that it is magic, they just spray and... well, whatever they do...
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: 230RN on November 22, 2022, 07:16:57 PM

The world still had gravity before Isaac Newton was born too.


And practiced genetic manipulation for thousands of years.

Since there are no objections to the "Billy The Kid" theory, can we now hold it out as peer-reviewed and suitable for publication?
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 22, 2022, 09:05:13 PM
This article claims both guns, rifle and handgun, were "ghost" guns.

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Multiple sources confirmed to 9Wants to Know that the man who attacked Club Q carried a semi-automatic rifle and a handgun – and that neither had serial numbers nor appeared to have been made by a licensed gun manufacturer.
Club Q suspect carried 'ghost guns' with no serial numbers, sources say
https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/club-q-shooting/club-q-shooting-suspect-ghost-guns/73-7c1a9d2b-8e91-46a1-82f7-d5e917c58664

While this one says only one was, the rifle, and it was fully automatic
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Sources tell FOX31 that the long gun used in the shooting was a ghost gun. It appeared to be fully automatic, sources say, allowing the suspect to fire at least 40 to 50 shots before he was tackled by good Samaritans.
Club Q suspect used ‘ghost gun,’ sources say
https://kdvr.com/news/local/colorado-club-q-shooting-suspect-ghost-gun/
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: BobR on November 22, 2022, 09:11:00 PM
This article claims both guns, rifle and handgun, were "ghost" guns.
Club Q suspect carried 'ghost guns' with no serial numbers, sources say
https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/club-q-shooting/club-q-shooting-suspect-ghost-guns/73-7c1a9d2b-8e91-46a1-82f7-d5e917c58664

While this one says one of them was

Club Q suspect used ‘ghost gun,’ sources say
https://kdvr.com/news/local/colorado-club-q-shooting-suspect-ghost-gun/

I get more and more pissed every time I see "ghost gun". Just another media/LEO driven narrative to make people think guns = bad. As we all know, unless unconstitutionally* made illegal at the state level it is fine and dandy to make your own firearms and as long as you keep them they do not need to be serialized. At least that is the way I remember it. I know, preaching to the choir.

bob

*my opinion
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: MechAg94 on November 22, 2022, 09:16:45 PM
I get more and more pissed every time I see "ghost gun". Just another media/LEO driven narrative to make people think guns = bad. As we all know, unless unconstitutionally* made illegal at the state level it is fine and dandy to make your own firearms and as long as you keep them they do not need to be serialized. At least that is the way I remember it. I know, preaching to the choir.

bob

*my opinion
The part that gets to me is the "impossible to trace" line that always shows up.  As if normal serial numbered guns are all traced back to the criminal who stole them or committed the crime. 
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 22, 2022, 11:45:34 PM
Who cares if they can trace it? They have the shooter and they have the gun. What's a trace going to tell them that in any way affects his prosecution?
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Ben on November 23, 2022, 07:20:13 AM
Oops - narrative shift incoming.

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Axios
@axios

Official
JUST IN: Colorado club shooting suspect is non-binary, attorneys say

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/11/23/nbc-news-ben-collins-has-a-club-q-shooter-suspect-update-based-on-new-reports/
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: French G. on November 23, 2022, 07:56:18 AM
Oops - narrative shift incoming.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/11/23/nbc-news-ben-collins-has-a-club-q-shooter-suspect-update-based-on-new-reports/

I called it, you’re welcome.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 23, 2022, 08:44:26 AM
Even CNN is reporting it

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    CNN panel in a state of confusion after the Club Q killer's lawyers say he's "non-binary" and uses "they/them" pronouns: "I don't know what to say about that" pic.twitter.com/3vtrw4kIn4

    — Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) November 23, 2022
https://twitchy.com/mikel-313136/2022/11/23/watch-alisyn-camerotas-brain-break-as-she-reports-that-co-shooter-is-non-binary/

They really don't look happy reporting it

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1595372222541361154

They speculate he's trying to get off the hate crime charges. Really what difference would that make?  Hate crime charges or not he's never going to see the light of day outside of prison either way.

He could be faking, don't know
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Ben on November 23, 2022, 08:58:16 AM

He could be faking, don't know

He seems to have a history, and the MSM is changing the narrative to "caused by online bullying". I'm sure "by white cis kids" is implied.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/21/colorado-springs-qbar-shooter/
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 23, 2022, 08:59:29 AM
But wait, there's more

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it's revealed estranged father is MMA fighter and PORN STAR named 'Dick Delaware'

And he changed his name in 2016

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The suspect's original name, however, is Nicholas Franklin Brink before he changed it to Anderson Lee Aldrich in 2016 
According to a petition, the name change was meant 'to protect himself and his future from any connections to birth father,' Aaron Brink 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11459941/Colorado-shooting-suspect-Anderson-Aldrichs-estranged-dad-ex-MMA-turned-porn-star.html
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Bogie on November 23, 2022, 09:18:11 AM
The usual suspects are spittleshrieking that hate crimes are worserer than murder.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: BobR on November 23, 2022, 12:12:57 PM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11459941/Colorado-shooting-suspect-Anderson-Aldrichs-estranged-dad-ex-MMA-turned-porn-star.html

Even taking that article with the world's largest grain of sand that "kid" was as farked up as a soup sandwich. It also sounds like he visited Dragonman's to shoot.

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Aldrich would regularly attend a gun range were 'rapid fire' was allowed.

bob

Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: French G. on November 23, 2022, 02:48:12 PM
This is looking like an episode South Park writers rejected for being too far out there.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 23, 2022, 03:23:56 PM

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@MattWalshBlog
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Sorry but if you're on the Left then you have no right to deny the shooter's non-binary identity. You set a precedent here and we will hold you to it. You have to respect his identity. I don't. You do. These are your rules. Now take your medicine and shut up.

Nailed it.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: 230RN on November 23, 2022, 04:12:39 PM
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A medical person measuring an extracted .22 LR bullet might report it as 5.56 mm.  Just noting this possibility.

Formal metric designation for .22 LR is 5.6×15mmR, a difference of 0.0016", less than 2 thousandths of an inch possibly measured with bloody gloved hands.
)


Yes, it is starting to sound like a bad 1950s Hollywood or TV script. Or, later, a convoluted-evidence Perry Mason episode.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 23, 2022, 04:51:57 PM
If they're pulling out intact bullets I doubt they're 5.56. 5.56 at that range should fragment fairly consistently 
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 23, 2022, 05:51:23 PM
Looks like they beat the crap out of him, sorry they/them.
Think they'll, the people who did this to they/them, be charged with a hate crime?

Note how they refer to him as they and them in the article

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Colorado Police also today released a mugshot of Aldrich showing them with several bruises and cuts across their face after being beaten and pistol whipped
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Anderson Aldrich,' they replied weakly, followed by another weak 'Yes,' when asked if they understood their rights in court.
Bruised, battered and beaten: face of the Colorado gay club killer after he was disarmed and pistol-whipped by hero vet - as lawyers claim he is non-binary
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11462947/Colorado-Springs-shooting-suspect-ordered-held-without-bail.html

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/23/21/64877949-11462947-image-a-52_1669240266747.jpg)

Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: 230RN on November 23, 2022, 06:44:55 PM
Looks like those girls have pretty long sharp nails.

If they're pulling out intact bullets I doubt they're 5.56. 5.56 at that range should fragment fairly consistently

That's what I was getting at.  An error due to incompetence. Or possibly by design, since "five-five-six" triggers fear-fear brain cells in the iggerant voting populace.

"Eeek, a 5.56!  We have to ban those assault long arms!"

"And did you know the rifle used by that guy has more than TWICE the twist of the regular army gun ? ! ?  That's right, it has 16 and only 7 for the army guns ! And you can buy them without a license?  We must limit that twist to only 7 ! "

Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 23, 2022, 07:29:09 PM
I was theorizing earlier it could have been a 22.
Are you seeing something confirming that that I missed?
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 23, 2022, 08:18:09 PM
Photos of the kid in gear reminds me of this

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kv9x7bJ4HZ1qzma4ho1_640.jpg)
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 24, 2022, 12:48:47 AM
That's what I was getting at.  An error due to incompetence. Or possibly by design, since "five-five-six" triggers fear-fear brain cells in the iggerant voting populace.

"Eeek, a 5.56!  We have to ban those assault long arms!"

"And did you know the rifle used by that guy has more than TWICE the twist of the regular army gun ? ! ?  That's right, it has 16 and only 7 for the army guns ! And you can buy them without a license?  We must limit that twist to only 7 ! "

Do you think the non-shooting populace knows what caliber ARs are typically chambered for? I'm pretty sure twist rates are not even on their radar.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: 230RN on November 24, 2022, 06:55:07 AM
I was theorizing earlier it could have been a 22.
Are you seeing something confirming that that I missed?

No, just confirming the posssibiity of an error in the direction of using the most damaging description ("5.56" versus ".22") for PR effect due to the diameter similarity. Basically, agreeing with you, and "here's why."
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: 230RN on November 24, 2022, 06:59:53 AM
Do you think the non-shooting populace knows what caliber ARs are typically chambered for?

See previous Reply #59 ^.

 
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I'm pretty sure twist rates are not even on their radar.

Of course not.  I was playing on their ignorance for humorous effect, as if one of their fuct-checkers discovered the relative twist rates of a .22 versus a 5.56:  "My God, his rifle had a 16 inch twist, and the military only has to use 7 inches-- that's TWICE as much than even the military needs !"

<pause for laughter> <none forthcoming> <tap-tap-tap > "Is this microphone on?"

https://youtu.be/79rvSJTVMPI

I really have to try these out on the road before I risk using them in Vegas. =D

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 24, 2022, 09:02:46 AM
The dad just became the "right wing" poster boy in this to the left.

'Violence works': Colorado club killer's porn star dad says 'I praised him for his violent behavior' as he reveals his biggest worry was that his son was gay after discovering he'd killed five people in LGBTQ club
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11463995/Colorado-club-killers-porn-star-dad-worried-son-gay-heard-massacre.html
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: 230RN on November 24, 2022, 09:44:41 PM
Hmmm.... accessory?  There must be something he could be charged with for abetting the criminal behavior of his son and to keep him from peeing in the pool any more.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 25, 2022, 02:17:56 PM
Add the mother to that

Colorado club killer and his mother are seen in new video threatening Frontier Airlines passengers after a flight - less than four months before he gunned down five people at gay nightclub
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11469807/Colorado-club-killer-mother-seen-new-video-arguing-Frontier-Airlines-passengers.html
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: 230RN on November 25, 2022, 04:35:39 PM
Like great-grandfather, like great-grandson.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 26, 2022, 09:02:40 AM
I expect to see more of this as much of the media seems hellbent on blaming any and all groups considered to be on the right of any issue.

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A sign outside the Focus on the Family facility in Colorado Springs, Colorado, was vandalized on Thanksgiving, just days after a mass shooting at an LGBTQ bar left five people dead and 17 wounded.

The morning of Nov. 24, officials reported graffiti at the facility that read: "Their blood is on your hands five lives taken." A piece of metal was left leaning against the large stone sign, which quoted 2 Corinthians 11:14-15.

Focus on the Family in Colorado vandalized with graffiti days after Club Q tragedy: 'Blood is on your hands'
https://www.foxnews.com/us/focus-family-colorado-vandalized-graffiti-days-after-club-q-tragedy
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 26, 2022, 09:33:34 AM
Well so far I can find no photos of the rifle or any mention of brand or photos of spent shell casings which is unusual at this point.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 26, 2022, 09:43:29 AM
I expect to see more of this as much of the media seems hellbent on blaming any and all groups considered to be on the right of any issue.

Focus on the Family in Colorado vandalized with graffiti days after Club Q tragedy: 'Blood is on your hands'
https://www.foxnews.com/us/focus-family-colorado-vandalized-graffiti-days-after-club-q-tragedy

What's the tie-in to Focus on the Family? Was the shooter affiliated with them, or is this just the woke community showing their love of humanity by hating Christians?
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 26, 2022, 09:48:06 AM
What's the tie-in to Focus on the Family? Was the shooter affiliated with them, or is this just the woke community showing their love of humanity by hating Christians?

I think more of the former since they they're been trying to tie the shooting in with the Mormons, I think the family is Mormon or semi Mormon or something, but I see no mention of a Mormon connection with FOTF in the wiki article on them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_on_the_Family
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: 230RN on November 26, 2022, 10:18:08 AM
What's the tie-in to Focus on the Family? Was the shooter affiliated with them, or is this just the woke community showing their love of humanity by hating Christians?
You're expecting rational logic?

"Hate thy neighbor as thyself."  --Matthew A. Possil
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 26, 2022, 11:26:16 AM
What's the tie-in to Focus on the Family? Was the shooter affiliated with them, or is this just the woke community showing their love of humanity by hating Christians?

They are, or were, one of the most high-profile social conservative groups in the United States, and I think they're based in Colorado.

Funny how those pregnancy centers keep getting attacked, and we don't "have to have a national discussion" about pro-abortion extremism. Hmmm...
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on November 26, 2022, 11:46:39 AM
Funny how quickly they forgot the Orlando gay nightclub shooting where 49 were killed 53 wounded once it was revealed the shooter was Muslim.
Don't seem to recall the lefties blaming the Muslim community or attacking Mosques afterward either but instead called for tolerance of the Muslim community. Meanwhile gays are routinely executed in Muslim counties. But speak out against grooming, oh the horror!
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on December 05, 2022, 08:00:34 AM
Beating the ban "weapons of war" drum
Despite
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Authorities haven’t provided details about the weapons used in the Club Q shooting.

In all the recent "mass" shootings" by now we knew details about the weapon(s) while they seem to be dragging their feet in this one.
The latest I've seen is they're still calling it an "AR-15 style" weapon. Makes me wonder if there's something about it they don't want us to know like it was a 22 as I speculated before. Note: Speculation

Anyhow

CO dems looking to bans "weapons of war", raise min age, "tweaks" to Red Flag laws. But at least they admit this in the article.
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Fenberg, who said gun control conversations were underway even before the Club Q shootings, said a ban on so-called assault weapons is certainly a possibility. The challenge is figuring out how to write the complicated policy, including how to define what an assault weapon is, what should happen to such weapons that are already in the possession of Colorado residents and how to address people traveling to neighboring states to purchase weapons that would be prohibited in Colorado. 

Colorado Democrats eye gun-purchase waiting periods, ban on so-called assault weapons, and red flag law expansion
https://coloradosun.com/2022/12/02/colorado-gun-laws-club-q-shooting/
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on December 05, 2022, 08:07:41 AM
They are still referring to it as a "Ghost" gun".
Could have been, don't know because they're being usually tight lipped about the gun.


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There has been no official word from law enforcement on exactly which, or how many, weapons were used in the lone shooter’s attack. But law enforcement said the suspect fired an AR-15-style rifle in Club Q.

Sunday, on CBS News’ Face the Nation, Colorado Gov. Jared Polis was asked about the weapons and he referenced media reports which said the alleged shooter used an unregistered ghost gun. The family has confirmed with The Gazette that Aldrich had a 3D printer and reportedly was working on making a ghost gun, but it is unknown what make of gun that may have been.
Club Q attack: What we know and don't know
https://denvergazette.com/continuing-coverage/club-q-shooting/club-q-attack-what-we-know-and-dont-know/article_a37ff636-7023-11ed-b2fc-37ee57f0fef6.html
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: zxcvbob on December 05, 2022, 09:11:57 AM
They are still referring to it as a "Ghost" gun".
Could have been, don't know because they're being usually tight lipped about the gun.


My guess is it's a pre-1968 .22 rifle that never had a serial number; maybe a Sears or Monkey Wards model.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: lee n. field on December 05, 2022, 10:17:17 AM
I think more of the former since they they're been trying to tie the shooting in with the Mormons, I think the family is Mormon or semi Mormon or something, but I see no mention of a Mormon connection with FOTF in the wiki article on them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_on_the_Family

Nope.  Focus is evangelical Christian (of the American low church subspecies), (unless things have really changed, and I'd have heard about it).  James Dobson, the founder, split off from then a few years ago to do his own thing, because he wanted to get more political than FotF wanted to be.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on December 05, 2022, 07:36:50 PM
Nope.  Focus is evangelical Christian (of the American low church subspecies), (unless things have really changed, and I'd have heard about it).  James Dobson, the founder, split off from then a few years ago to do his own thing, because he wanted to get more political than FotF wanted to be.

The left pretty much lumps all Christian sects, divisions, etc.. into one big pile and calls it a pile of hate. So their initial focus on Mormons was bound to drag Christianity as a whole in.

And look what just popped up.

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    Richmond, Virginia restaurant Metzger Bar and Butchery canceled a Christian ministry’s private party just 90 minutes before it was scheduled to start because LGBT staff members refused to provide service for the event. pic.twitter.com/qb8Jsi5DQ0

    — Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) December 5, 2022

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    Bake the cake

    — Peter Bilt (@PeterBilt40) December 5, 2022
Huh: Virginia restaurant cancels a Christian ministry’s private party at the last minute as staffers felt unsafe
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/12/05/huh-virginia-restaurant-cancels-a-christian-ministrys-private-party-at-the-last-minute-as-staffers-felt-unsafe/

Bet this will be mostly ignored by the MSM. The other way around there would be 20 media vans parked put front.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on December 09, 2022, 07:53:48 PM
Yikes

Known Wolf Redux: Colorado Springs Shooter Was on FBI Radar, Prosecutor Dropped Case Despite Threats, 100 lbs. of Explosives
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/known-wolf-redux-colorado-springs-shooter-was-on-fbi-radar-prosecutor-dropped-case-despite-threats-100-lbs-of-explosives/
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 09, 2022, 08:10:47 PM
Yikes

Known Wolf Redux: Colorado Springs Shooter Was on FBI Radar, Prosecutor Dropped Case Despite Threats, 100 lbs. of Explosives
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/known-wolf-redux-colorado-springs-shooter-was-on-fbi-radar-prosecutor-dropped-case-despite-threats-100-lbs-of-explosives/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuAKnbIr6TE
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on December 14, 2022, 08:01:44 PM
Guns taken from him after the his previous bomb threat incident. Says they were never returned. 
BTW: What is a MM-15?

Club Q Suspect May Have Explored 3D Printed Gun Parts in 2021, Relatives Say
https://3dprint.com/296201/club-q-suspect-may-have-explored-3d-printed-gun-parts-in-2021-relatives-say/

Also of note in the article

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Furthermore, law enforcement officials seized two guns from Aldrich after the incident, including a 9 mm ghost gun with a Glock frame and a 5.56 mm AR-15 rifle. During a press conference held last week by the DA office, District Attorney Michael Allen said the guns were never returned and are still in police custody. He also stressed that the 2021 case had been dismissed after the prosecutor’s office failed to deliver the subpoenas to the witnesses, who recanted.

Sounds like someone dropped the ball.

Still have seen nothing about weapon(s) used in the shooting
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on March 10, 2023, 11:01:05 AM
We finally get a look at the gun

Video https://www.kktv.com/video/2023/02/24/watch-new-photos-released-judge-keeps-all-charges-originally-filed-against-suspected-club-q-shooter/
It was "founded" :facepalm: and was "home made" aka "Ghost gun"

 Club Q shooting crime scene photos released by Court
https://www.fox21news.com/club-q-shooting/club-q-shooting-crime-scene-photos-released-by-court/

Note the brace. Sure that will come up.
Ammo appears to be green tips in  the photos at the 2nd link,

Oh, and he was apparently hopped up on drugs.

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During the first day of the preliminary hearing on Wednesday, Feb. 22, the defense confirmed the suspect had consumed, “six tabs of Xanax, three Adderall, four grams of cocaine and two grams of free-based cocaine.”

(https://do0bihdskp9dy.cloudfront.net/02-24-2023/t_088c31b08b864d95b2b583c77b47e8ff_name_file_1280x720_2000_v3_1_.jpg)


Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on March 10, 2023, 11:14:22 AM
Photos show mostly Magpul mags 30, 40, and a drum mag.
Appears to be at least one clear 30rd ETS 9mm mag and a Magpul Glock mag.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on March 10, 2023, 11:18:39 AM
And he was a regular at the club

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The images above were entered by the suspect’s public defender. The exhibits show the suspect socializing at Club Q in the months prior to the shooting. Prescribed medication shown above were to treat disorders such as schizophrenia, post-traumatic stress disorder, anti-psychotic medication, depression, heroin addiction, mood stabilizers, and more.

Images in 2nd link
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: dogmush on March 10, 2023, 12:20:36 PM
What's the difference between cocaine and free-based cocaine?
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: cordex on March 10, 2023, 12:24:44 PM
What's the difference between cocaine and free-based cocaine?
Cocaine is what rich people snort.
Free-based cocaine is also known as crack cocaine, made by mixing cocaine with crack and heating it.  Crack is what poor people smoke.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on March 10, 2023, 12:46:46 PM
Couldn't help but notice

80% lower ("homemade ghost gun") - They want to ban or have banned. I'm confused at this point.
Semi auto - They want to ban
Brace -  Have banned or restricted depending on how you view it.
Muzzle device  - They want to ban
Green Tip - They tried to ban and still want to.
"High" cap mags - Banned in CO in other states. They want to ban on fed level.

Anything I left out?

Basically a laundry list of what they want to ban.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: dogmush on March 10, 2023, 02:00:21 PM
Couldn't help but notice

80% lower ("homemade ghost gun") - They want to ban or have banned. I'm confused at this point.
Semi auto - They want to ban
Brace -  Have banned or restricted depending on how you view it.
Muzzle device  - They want to ban
Green Tip - They tried to ban and still want to.
"High" cap mags - Banned in CO in other states. They want to ban on fed level.

Anything I left out?

Basically a laundry list of what they want to ban.

He's got a Thump n Grind 3D printed 37mm launcher and body armor, both of which they'd like to ban.  I can only imagine the gnashing of teeth if he'd managed to make a homemade offensive round for a 3d Printed grenade launcher.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on March 10, 2023, 02:18:48 PM
Is that a Ghillie suit?

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/Screenshot_2023-03-10_141455.png)
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on March 10, 2023, 02:22:34 PM
Close up of the note pad.
I think him being a regular of the club and this leaves almost no doubt he was gay/non-binary himself.

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/Screenshot_2023-03-10_141725-c-rs.png)
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: dogmush on March 10, 2023, 02:25:34 PM
Or he wasn't gay, but had convinced himself he was, and the lifestyle wasn't sitting well.

Either way, homie was clearly troubled.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on March 10, 2023, 02:29:24 PM
Or he wasn't gay, but had convinced himself he was, and the lifestyle wasn't sitting well.

Either way, homie was clearly troubled.

20 years ago I would have said hogwash but nowadays with it coming out that many teachers not to mention MSM actively pushing kids into that lifestyle could be.
Title: Re: Club Q shooting...
Post by: WLJ on June 07, 2023, 02:27:03 PM
Was expecting something along these lines. I notice the FBI despite them being involoved in dropping the ball as well isn't mentioned.... yet

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Victims of the Club Q mass shooting plan to sue the El Paso County Sheriff’s Office for refusing to use the state’s red flag law to prevent the suspected shooter from legally buying or possessing guns before the attack last year, according to legal notices obtained by The Denver Post on Monday.

Eleven survivors and family members of victims who died in the November attack alerted the county to their plans to sue in May, and claimed that the mass shooting could have been prevented but for the sheriff’s blanket refusal to use extreme risk protection orders, which allow authorities to seize a person’s guns for up to a year if a judge finds that person presents an immediate threat to themselves or others.

 Club Q victims plan to sue over El Paso County sheriff’s refusal to use red flag law
https://www.denverpost.com/2023/06/05/club-q-shooting-red-flag-lawsuit-victims-el-paso-sheriff/

Colorado sheriff sued for not filing "red flag" law against mass shooting suspect
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/06/06/colorado-sheriff-sued-for-not-filing-red-flag-law-against-mass-shooting-suspect-n71182