Hillary lost!

[Tecumseh]

Good news in that our country tumbles just a little slower into socialism...

  Agree.  I do prefer socialists to fascists like some of the GOP.

[Bogie]

Well, guys... I'm hoping Hillary gets the nomination... She better get her butt in gear!

Obama just doesn't get the angst going in folks, and I'm figuring on flogging a whole buncha Hillary stuff at Knob Creek...
 
Frankly, I don't think that Obama can retain the support of the majority of the democrats - there's a lot of 'em who are NOT moonbats. The folks who are union, etc., etc... And a whole bunch of those folks, if given the choice between Obama and someone like Huckabee, are gonna go Huckabee.
 
If either Hillary or Edwards drops, I'm guessing that the balance of power would be something like Obama 40%, Other Guy 55%.
 

 

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New guy chiming in.. just came over from THR.

Back on subject-  I would think that Hillary has a whole lot of dirt (either spun to be dirt or actual dirt) on every other candiate.  She isn't one for losing and will probably go down in history as one of the dirtiest politicians we have ever had.  A small win for an opponent doesn't mean she lost the war!  She's one of the more vindictive people around.

But, I loved reading the headline! 

[wooderson]

Bogie, what does "someone like Obama" mean? What about him drives off "union guys," who would otherwise vote for Hillary?

Obama is, essentially, the same politician as Edwards and Hillary. The Democratic divide this time is entirely about personality/style and who individuals think is a more appealing and electable candidate. Given the constraints of an opposition Congress (or a weak friendly), there would be no difference in the governing style of any of their administrations.

[wooderson]

Note that that cuts both ways. I don't see how anyone who would otherwise vote for a Democrat might find any of them horrifying enough to vote GOP (unless you get into unconscious sexism or racism), but nor do I see how anyone might find them appealing enough to pour heart and soul into campaigning. Even by their standards, the Democrats are fielding a remarkably bland crop of candidates. At the least some of the GOP nutbags have juice.

[wooderson]

I will give the Republicans credit this time around - at least they have choices.

If you're willing to sacrifice a little liberty for security - Giuliani's your boy.
If you're scared about your job and your ability to provide for your family (and maybe the gays and the evolutionists) - stick with Huck.
If you're scared about the black helicopters - no better man than Ron Paul.
If you want the status quo with maybe a little more backbone ethically - John McCain (he's ancient, but hopefully America won't notice)
If you want that guy with the awesome Law and Order lines who vaguely recalls Ronnie if you squint a lot - Fred Thompson (lol)
Mitt Romney - okay, honestly, I don't get the appeal at all. As slimey as John Edwards, more of a flip-flopper than John Kerry. Just don't get it.

And it's strange that the #1 issue for Iowa Republicans was illegal immigration but there's no remaining candidate with that as his calling card.

I could get into a Democratic race with that much variety (okay, Kucinich and Gravel... but we're talking legit candidates) even if none of them really spoke to me on a deeper level. At least the race would be fun.

[The Rabbi]

Totally meaningless.  The Iowa caucases are the least important political event in US history.
Let's see what NH brings.
And yes, Pres Obama does not warm the cockles of my heart.

Public opinion here? Ask someone what they think of Hillary, and step aside, because they're going to spit.

Good point.  Hillary polls more negatives than any other candidate.
But Obama is about to feel the wrath of the Hillary machine.  Watch for anonymous tips to reporters about dirt on the guy, some brewing scandal somewhere, something.  This woman is not about to let some lightweight stand between her and her rightful position.
I still do not know what the appeal of Obama is.  I could understand why someone would want Hillary (return to the good ole days, seems more responsible than Edwards), or Edwards (evil corporations) but Obama?  He doesnt represent anything.  His rhetoric is just that.  He is far to the left of Hillary.
If he gets elected (and he wont) and we have a strong GOP congress, then nothing will happen.  And that could be a good thing.

[HankB]

We've all seen the recent outrage from every quarter about baseball players who used steroids, HGH, and who-knows-what in the past to enhance their athletic ability . . . heck, even Congress and the Federal Government are involved . . . all over grown men who play a kid's game for pay.

On the other hand, B. Hussein Obama admits to smoking pot and snorting coke . . . and HE wants to be President.

Think about it . . . widespread and persistent outrage over baseball players using performance drugs in the past, and NO interest about past pot and coke use by a guy who wants a job where he carries nuclear launch codes in his pocket.

What's wrong with this picture? 

[Manedwolf]

We've all seen the recent outrage from every quarter about baseball players who used steroids, HGH, and who-knows-what in the past to enhance their athletic ability . . . heck, even Congress and the Federal Government are involved . . . all over grown men who play a kid's game for pay.

On the other hand, B. Hussein Obama admits to smoking pot and snorting coke . . . and HE wants to be President.

Think about it . . . widespread and persistent outrage over baseball players using performance drugs in the past, and NO interest about past pot and coke use by a guy who wants a job where he carries nuclear launch codes in his pocket.

What's wrong with this picture? 

Shhh. Keep that down for now. That's a good thing. Because if he gets the nomination, all the opponent has to do is just point that out. Really simply. "People...the guy used COCAINE." ...political destruction.

[LAK]

Manedwolf

Did her eyes start glowing in rage, with darkening clouds gathering outside her office?

If you watch the eyes of a shark - they don't do anything. They have this dull, dead look about them. Oh, they do shut their eyes when biting into their food or attacking. Hillary has the eyes of a shark if you look at them closely - no spark at all.

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[Waitone]

Now we'll get to see what a real political machine can do.  Winning may not have been a good play for Obama.  Iowa is not a really good predictor of national fortunes. 

[Sergeant Bob]

Manedwolf

Did her eyes start glowing in rage, with darkening clouds gathering outside her office?

If you watch the eyes of a shark - they don't do anything. They have this dull, dead look about them. Oh, they do shut their eyes when biting into their food or attacking. Hillary has the eyes of a shark if you look at them closely - no spark at all.

You know the thing about a shark, he's got...lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eye. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be livin'. Until he bites ya and those black eyes roll over white.

[Paddy]

I can't believe so many of you still buy into the hysterical Clinton phobia force fed to you every day.  Do yourselves a favor and shut off Limbaugh/Hannity/Fox/Newsmax, etc.  Instead do some independent and open minded research.  Maybe you'll discover there's other, very real, evil afoot.

[Manedwolf]

I can't believe so many of you still buy into the hysterical Clinton phobia force fed to you every day.  Do yourselves a favor and shut off Limbaugh/Hannity/Fox/Newsmax, etc.  Instead do some independent and open minded research.  Maybe you'll discover there's other, very real, evil afoot.

People who want to disarm us and people who want to kill us when disarmed are high on my list. After that is people who want to destroy all incentive to work by taking from those who want to work hard and giving to those who do not.

So that'd be democrats, terrorists, and democrats respectively.

[pistolchamp]

I agree that Iowa isn't the difinitive predictor of primaries, I'm just enjoying seeing the hildebeast biting her tongue and good ol' Comrade Clinton standing at her side looking as stupid as usual... that was priceless.

If a radical, muslim liberal black can beat her, so can we.  Obambam got a win by being "likeable"... cool, that rules out the hildebeast forever as even most damocraps don't like her.

I would rather have had Edwards in Obambam's position this morning as it would have been an even harder slap in her face, but, I'll take this one and enjoy my whole day.

Sitting between a group of lawyers at breakfast, one said "Edwards is so shallow, he's not even a damp spot on the road".... doncha just love it.

[doc2rn]

She isn't one for losing and will probably go down in history as one of the dirtiest politicians we have ever had.  A small win for an opponent doesn't mean she lost the war!  She's one of the more vindictive people around.

The problem is she got off on a DWI charge that she does not want dragged out into the open. That is why she squashed her guy that leaked Obama's past usage of a controlled substance. She does not want to be seen as an alchy bum. That and it was all the dirt she had on him lost prematurely. We will see after NH but it looks like Huckabee vs. Obama for the '08 race. Change is good. Republicans have helped the rich, offerred a handout to the poor, and killed the middle class. I dont see them getting back in office anytime soon. Bush killed the GOP.

[Paddy]

Obama is, essentially, the same politician as Edwards and Hillary.

Take a closer look.  Clinton and Obama are both corporate puppets much like Bush. They'll both take us in the same direction.  Edwards is completely anti corp and pro middle class. Big, big difference

[Paddy]

The problem is she got off on a DWI charge that she does not want dragged out into the open.

Which differs from Bush and Cheney.........how?  They've both been popped for DWI, and Bush has a long history of alcoholism and cocaine use.

[charby]

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[wooderson]

NO interest about past pot and coke use by a guy who wants a job where he carries nuclear launch codes in his pocket.

Man, the irony alarm just won't stop ringing today...

[Bogie]

Bogie, what does "someone like Obama" mean? What about him drives off "union guys," who would otherwise vote for Hillary?

Well, to be purely blunt about it, I think that a lot of the "good ol' boy" folks won't vote for someone whose name doesn't sound right to 'em. Plus this feller looks like he's got a bit of a tan - what's with that? Oh, and they ain't gonna be too thrilled about voting for a woman either. Same thing may hold with the older portion of the party too. Remember, - it's all about perception.
 
Remember - not -every- democrat is liberally enlightened...
 
Right now, of the three horses, I'd bet on Edwards... But he's boring...
 

[wooderson]

Okay, that's fair - I thought you were alluding to more substantive differences. I agree that Obama's got an uphill battle on those counts.
I mean, even here we see...

If a radical, muslim liberal black

[HankB]

. . . Do yourselves a favor and shut off Limbaugh/Hannity/Fox/Newsmax, etc. 

You forgot Drudge and World Net Daily.  Seriously, one should no more accept everything these people say at face value than accept everything heard on ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN, which have PLENTY of examples of bias, slant, and outright lies.

. . .  Maybe you'll discover there's other, very real, evil afoot.

Both sides of the aisle are just FULL of evil - it's not about voting FOR someone, it's voting AGAINST someone. 

We need "None Of The Above" as an explicit choice on every ballot . . .

[Bogie]

Woody, you gotta remember - for every slightly above average fellow with a 125 IQ, you gotcherself a Forrest Gump. And not all of 'em is kind and gentle folk... In fact, it's been my observation that folks from the shallow end of the bell curve tend to be kinda aggressive, as if that offsets their lack of intelligence.
 
The dems are primarily hoping that we vote against republicans. They can win if that happens. And it's relatively easy to do, since there is a constant feed of "news" telling us that republicans are eeeevil...
 
I mean, I purely LOVE how it's working, at least from a media manipulation viewpoint - folks are SO eager...
 
Typical gun person:
 
"I don't trust that mainstream media. They're a buncha elitist corporate folks."
 
"I don't like those Republicans either - they're crooks and war happy."

"I know that's true, because I saw it on the news."
 

 

[El Tejon]

Geez, anyone remember the "Comeback Kid"?

She throws a gutter ball in Iowa and then claims to be the "Comeback Kid II" in New Hampshire.  The Clintons, like terrorists, always repeat successful plays.