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My mind has been blown.
« on: January 10, 2008, 06:41:36 AM »
Or perhaps I'm misinformed.

I was told that Ron Paul finished ahead of Guilliani in the Iowa primaries. For what that's worth.

I was at the pub last night and there was a muted TV on a major news station showing a red pie chart of the Iowa results. Four of the slices were colored and labeled with 4 GOP candidates. Ron Paul's slice was not one of the highlighted and labeled slices, his was apparently one of the greyed-out slices. You know, the small ones that aren't worth highlighting and labeling. It makes fine sense to only label and highlight the four biggest slices, and for the losers at the bottom, well, better luck next time.

Except they didn't highlight the four biggest slices. There was a conspicuously large grayed-out slice that was bigger than Guilliani's just sitting there. I was like, wait, whose slice is that? And then it hit me. In other words, they highlighted the largest, the 2nd largest, the 3rd largest, skipped Ron Paul, and highlighted the 5th largest. Because apparently Guilliani is newsworthy, and Ron Paul isn't, even if Ron Paul got more votes.



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Re: My mind has been blown.
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2008, 06:43:59 AM »
Giuliani didn't run in the caucuses.  That's why he didnt do better.  Ron Paul managed to outpoll nobody.  Congratulations.
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Re: My mind has been blown.
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2008, 09:35:01 AM »
Ron Paul is unelectable, and thus not worth mentioning.  Giuliani, on the other hand would make a great President, and thus his almost-victory is totally worth celebrating.  Anyway most of Pauls votes came from spammers, didn't you know?
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Re: My mind has been blown.
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2008, 09:38:04 AM »
To keep this fact-based, the following are the results from Iowa & NH:

Iowa
http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/IA.html

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Iowa
Candidate                               Vote            %
Mike Huckabee                           40,841          34.40%
Mitt Romney                             29,949          25.2   
Fred D. Thompson                        15,904          13.4   
John McCain                             15,559          13.1   
Ron Paul                                11,817          10.0   
Rudolph W. Giuliani                     4,097           3.5   
Duncan Hunter                           524             0.4   
Tom Tancredo                            5               0.0   



NH
http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/NH.html

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New Hampshire
Candidate                               Vote            %
John McCain                             88,466          37.10%
Mitt Romney                             75,343          31.6   
Mike Huckabee                           26,768          11.2   
Rudolph W. Giuliani                     20,395          8.5   
Ron Paul                                18,303          7.7   
Others                                  5,099           2.1   
Fred D. Thompson                        2,886           1.2   
Duncan Hunter                           1,220           0.5   
Tom Tancredo                            68              0.0 


Conclusion

The RP trounced RG in Iowa.  RG barely beat RP in NH.

Let us see what happensin Mich & SC.




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Re: My mind has been blown.
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2008, 10:13:15 AM »
Lets keep it even more fact based by pointing out that Giuliani did not run in Iowa.  Therefore Ron Paul did not trounce him.  You can only trounce someone if they run.

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BEDFORD, New Hampshire (Reuters) - Rudy Giuliani was the only leading White House hopeful not in Iowa on Thursday as voters there kick off the process of choosing the next U.S. president, but he said he was not worried about missing it.
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In national polls, the former New York mayor has led the Republican field of candidates for the November 2008 election. But he trails in Iowa as well as the other early voting state, New Hampshire, which votes on January 8.

Asked if he was getting nervous about his decision to skip Iowa, Giuliani said he was still ahead in the polls in 16 to 18 states while his nearest competitor was ahead in just four.

"We're sitting in a pretty good position," he told reporters after meeting voters at a Segway factory in Bedford, New Hampshire. "So no, we're not worried and we're not concerned."
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Re: My mind has been blown.
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2008, 10:40:23 AM »
TR:

He can say, "I wasn't running, so I don't care," but those are still Rep. delegates he won't get, momentum" he won't build up, and press coverage he won't get for free.

Reality marches on, despite RG's dismissal.  I suspect he will be quite disappointed if he waits around until Florida without at least trying to show the flag.

His only hope is that the states keep going to different winners, so he can be another guy in the scrum.  If any of the others break outta the pack, RG is toast.

Of course, Paul getting such a total in IA & NH won't amount to a hill of beans later on, either.
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Re: My mind has been blown.
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2008, 11:43:56 AM »
The OP appeared to suggest that RP beating RG should have been big news.  It wasn't big news because he didn't.  He didnt because RG wasn't running.  So it wasn't news at all.  Despite the conspiracy-theories.
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Re: My mind has been blown.
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2008, 02:34:14 PM »
If RG didn't run in the Caucus in Iowa, why is his name appearing in the results?  Are all of those votes write-ins?
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Re: My mind has been blown.
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2008, 03:51:47 PM »
If RG didn't run in the Caucus in Iowa, why is his name appearing in the results?  Are all of those votes write-ins?
either that or something really fishy is going on.
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Re: My mind has been blown.
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2008, 06:01:04 AM »
How does a name get on the ballot?  Is is simply nominated there by people in Iowa? 
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Re: My mind has been blown.
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2008, 01:05:40 PM »
According to the official Iowa caucus website, http://www.iowacaucus.org/candidates.html, RG did run.

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Re: My mind has been blown.
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2008, 07:55:25 PM »
I think what Rabbi means is that he didn't campaign in that state. 
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Re: My mind has been blown.
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2008, 10:39:06 AM »
I think what Rabbi means is that he didn't campaign in that state. 

And thus, nobody in Iowa was really aware of the fact that he was running for President.  Hell, I think Clinton is the only one to have visited Arkansas that I am aware of. 
Guess I can't vote for anyone else, damn.
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Re: My mind has been blown.
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2008, 11:21:04 AM »
As a Ron Paul supporter, are you aware that Huckabee and Thompson are running for president?  Of course you are, but you're still not voting for them, huh? 
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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2008, 11:25:11 AM »
Yes, which sound like exactly what happened to Giuliani in Iowa.
He never brought you an unbalanced budget, which is a perennial joke. He never voted himself a wage increase and, to this day, gives back part of his salary every year. He has always voted to preserve the Constitution, cut government spending, lower healthcare costs, end the war on drugs, secure our borders with immigration reform and protect our civil liberties.